Hanging over the past seven months of Nationals business has been the Lerner family’s efforts to find a buyer for the franchise. Ted Leonsis, whose Monumental Sports & Entertainment owns the NBA’s Wizards, NHL’s Capitals and WNBA’s Mystics, had emerged as the favorite in those discussions in recent weeks.
While that might still be the case, the Talk Nats blog reported over the weekend the sides remain divided on a price point. Talk Nats suggests there’s some pessimism about the possibility of Leonsis finalizing a purchase of the franchise imminently, if at all. To be clear, there’s no suggestion the Lerners and Leonsis are on the verge of calling off talks, but it seems there’s still a notable gap to bridge in negotiations.
The primary stumbling block, as has been the case throughout the sale process, seems to be the franchise’s uncertain TV rights outlook. As part of the relocation efforts to move the franchise from Montreal to Washington nearly two decades ago, MLB (which owned the Expos/Nationals at the time) agreed to tie its local broadcasting rights to the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network. MASN is jointly owned by the Nats and Orioles, but the Orioles’ ownership share is roughly 77% while the Nats own around 23%. That agreement, a condition of the franchise’s relocation into the Orioles’ geographic territorial rights, caps the Nationals’ TV revenue by making it impermissible for them to sell broadcasting rights to a regional sports network.
Leonsis owns NBC Sports Washington and would almost certainly prefer to broadcast Nationals games on that network if he took control of the franchise. Doing so would require negotiating a way out of the MASN contract with the Orioles, though, and it’s not clear whether the Baltimore organization has any interest in doing so. MLB has gotten involved in an attempt to broker a settlement between the franchises, but there’s no indication they’ve made progress to this point.
Hanging over the potential negotiations is an acrimonious past between the Orioles and Nats that hasn’t been resolved. Disputes about the Nationals’ share of TV rights led to litigation that has been pending for nearly a decade. In 2019, an arbitrator ruled the network owed the Nationals around $105MM in unpaid rights fees. MASN appealed that decision, and the appeal has still yet to get on the docket for the New York Court of Appeals.
While Leonsis purchasing the franchise still seems well within the range of possibilities, it doesn’t appear a resolution is coming in the near future. The Washington Post wrote in August the organization was hopeful of completing the sales process by November. That certainly isn’t going to happen, and it seems an open question whether a solution will be known by the time the calendar turns to 2023. It’s hardly an ideal situation for general manager Mike Rizzo and his staff to construct their roster this offseason, although the Nats look likely to be relatively quiet regardless after firmly committing to a rebuild with the Juan Soto trade over the summer.
Samuel
The MASN thing is the same thing as the A’s wanting to move to San Jose.
A team moves into another teams territory. Makes an agreement. Years later says it’s holding them back, wants to renegotiate and goes to court.
The same thing will happen in the future if MLB expands in the continental US.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The way I heard it is San Jose originally belonged to the A’s, they “lent” (for lack of a better term) those rights to the Giants to help them get a better TV deal and then the Giants turned around and shafted the A’s for their good deed.
Not sure if that’s true, but if it is (is it?), hardly the same as everyone expecting the O’s to give up both their territorial rights and their rights to the TV deal that made them give up their territorial rights.
Samuel
forwhomjoshbelltolled;
Yes, this is the problem….
A bunch of narratives come out years later and cause problems for MLB. People that don’t have any access to the written agreements start talking like they know what’s in them.
It’s not on you. This just keeps happening.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Does anyone know if the A’s did own the rights originally and gave them to SF?
Holy Cow!
Yes, I believe that is true.
chubias
About the same as when the Orioles came to Baltimore.
talknats.com/2022/11/23/rant-senators-fansubtitle-…
basquiat
Thank you for posting this. Younger fans don’t remember the history before MASN. The Orioles in Baltimore is a relatively recent event in baseball history. They don’t have exclusive rights to anything.
BaseballisLife
He got nearly everything incorrect. He can rant all he wants and he still got the facts wrong.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
This is fascinating and it may ultimately be the best chance for fans to learn the truth about baseball finances, especially if the Nationals share of MASN revenue becomes the subject of protracted litigation financed by Leonsis.
iverbure
Fans will still complain teams don’t spend enough on payroll. Regardless of how much is spent.
Veejh
talknats.com/2022/11/26/think-reality-nats-selling…
Surprised they didn’t provide a link to the Talk Nats article. For those interested, this is the skinny.
Veejh
They did. Sorry.
Samuel
Veejh;
Interesting….
I know the Lerner’s made their money in real estate, and it appears that Mark Lerner is more comfortable there.
Additionally, real estate has pulled back some and that may well continue as interest rates need to remain high to choke off further inflation. For long term RE holders this is THE time to accumulate properties as those investments will look great in 10 years. So I figure that’s what the Lerner’s would do with the proceeds from a Nationals sale. Could set their families up for another 2 generations.
BStrowman
It’s the time acquire real estate if you have access to cheap capital.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Nats: I’ll pay $2,000 a month for your basement apartment.
O’s: Deal.
Nats: Actually, I’ll pay you $300 a month and I’ll live upstairs in the house while you live in the basement.
MLB: Pretty good deal there, Baltimore. Be a good sport and take it, huh?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
JoshBell
Except that baseball is a monopoly so the first deal was not a free-market arms-length transaction. But the part about the Nationals essentially wanted a do-over is fair.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
MLB’s anti-trust exemption should not exist, I agree there.
But, none of the other leagues have anti-trust exemptions and all of them control where their franchises are located.
The O’s gave up the best part of their market.
iverbure
Should be a lesson to every owner in the league, don’t let anyone else in the door. Not even a foot. Once they get their foot in they’ll whine and complain years later it was a unfair deal.
ctbronx7
The one sided TV deal permanently holding down the Nats TV revenue and propping up the Orioles is the major reason why the team will be sold to an out of town group that will relocate the team to Nshville
comish4lif
If the Orioles move to Nashville, that means that MLB should assign the Orioles TV rights to the Rays and Braves who currently shares the TV rights.
flamingbagofpoop
whether or not it’s a free market doesn’t really matter in his scenario?
inkstainedscribe
Actually, it does. In a free market, Leonsis could move the Nats anywhere, build his own stadium (or extort local taxpayers to build one — separate story,mint free-market), and the club would succeed or fail on its one merits. None of our sports leagues operate like that. Baseball may exploit its monopoly more brazenly than the others.
BaseballisLife
They don’t operate like that because they can’t. With the amount of money that comes from local TV rights MLB cannot be run as a free market or all the teams would just move to the top 3-4 TV markets.
DJH
It is not the Nationals who want a do over. They have complied with the terms of the contract. It is the Orioles who are refusing to pay the rights fees as mandated by the contract they signed.
chubias
No, it’s not remotely accurate. The original deal for MASN called for the rights fees to be renegotiated every 5 years. Angelos is fighting even living up to his side of a terrible deal.
ctbronx7
Yet the fear of the other 28 owners to sue Angelos is allowing the MASN situation to fester and could by 2030 or sooner, leave DC with an empty stadium with hundreds of millions in construction costs yet to be paid.
Steve M.
Poor analogy to this situation. Read the agreements, they are all in the public domain thanks to the lawsuits.
C Yards Jeff
Speaking of agreements and lawsuits, as typical with them, the attorneys on both sides are the only ones benefiting from it. CaChing!
Nats ain't what they used to be
Why was DC area ever part of O’s region. Nats moved to Minn and when MLB gave them new team O’s were not paid off. Why after Nats move to Tex did O’s earn compensation to move Mon to DC?
websoulsurfer
You do realize that the SENATORS moved to Minnesota in 1960, right? There were no local TV rights in 1960. With the exception of a single channel in New York, all games were national.
It wasn’t until the advent of cable TV that were there any local TV rights deals. The early 1980’s.
brodie-bruce
also isn’t balt. like 30~45mins outside of dc, so once the sens left i could see dc getting behind the O’s then ff to tv deals makes a lot of sense. it also makes you wonder if dc is a viable market because of it’s transient nature, a lot of gov jobs bringing people from all over and there not going to “switch teams” because they had to move.
chubias
The Nats have pretty clearly answered is DC a viable market even when they are chained to an operation Angelos runs like a slumlord.
MASN is an embarrassment and not just because they refuse to honor a deal that is already lopsided in their favor, but also because they just refuse to invest in a decent product.
bhambrave
Moving the team should be part of the deal. Las Vegas or Nashville.
jyosuckas
Philadelphia, where they belong. I’m coming home I’m coming home….
CleaverGreene
Why would the Nats leave the 6th largest metro area to go to the 35th (Nashville) or the 29th (Vegas)?
BaseballisLife
Population means very little in MLB. TV market size is everything.
DC is #7, Nashville is 29th, and Las Vegas is 40th.
RobM
It’s to the O’s advantage to hold MLB and the Nats “hostage” until they negotiate the best deal for them. They already have a great deal, so it’s quite possible that the best deal for them is to not negotiate at all if they plan to hold onto the team for generations. That said, there are rumblings that the family does want to sell. Good luck getting MLB to agree to the sale of the O’s to any ownership group if they don’t agree to negotiate new terms. on the MASN deal. That to me is the likely end result here.
websoulsurfer
Leonsis wants the Lerners to foot the bill for buying out MASN. The Lerners are saying that is not possible. If Leonsis wants that to happen, he can negotiate a buyout.
The price of buying out what amounts to permanent rights to the 7th largest TV market is going to be in the vicinity of $1.75-2.0 billion or 25+ years of the TV rights in a similar size market.
Steve M.
Where did you get your valuation from? This isn’t the YES Network.
BaseballisLife
I think that would be obvious. He looked at the TV deals in the 6th and 8th largest TV markets and multiplied by 25.
I could be wrong. Maybe he took the Yankees deal and subtracted $200 million per year and multiplied by 25.
Either way you get close to $2 billion.
Deleted Userr
@BaseballisLife “He” is you lol
mt in baltimore
The Curse of Bud Selig.
Steve M.
Manfred sure hasn’t helped the situation. Yes, Bud will get the blame for signing a bad deal from the jump.
lettersandnumbersonly
Make sure to include a significant amount of DEFERRED payments as part of the offer…
how ya like it now?!?
bravesnation nc
I personally don’t like the whole MASN “territory”. I’m closer to South Carolina than I am to Virginia and certain MLB games are blacked out due to local rights. Trust me, this is Braves Country hell they brought the WS Trophy up here and based on zip code are part of the 1st wave to secure postseason tickets. Nats are in a lopsided TV deal and are being held hostage by MASN
yankeemanuno23
I watched NATS ganes in person since arrival back at RFK. Trust me most DC Virginia area were NEVER O’s fans, less so when NATS came & less w new stadium. Only time I ever went to see O’s games is when Yankees came in!!!
On TV rights, it’s a big screw job! NATS should have freedom. I now live in NC, 5 hours away 45 min from DC and CAN’T see any NATs (or O’s) games b/c blackout, not even off paid MLB network where I can watch all teams. When Yanks play them I can’t see those either! What a cROCK of s—-!! 10 years waiting for a court date? This is a disaster!! MLB needs to be “Judged” as other sports are!!!
Joe says...
I’m in the exact same boat. When Dish Network dropped MASN, it made it so I can’t watch the Yankees when they play Baltimore and DC. I used to enjoy Baltimore games even when they weren’t playing the Yankees. Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer were awesome.
brodie-bruce
simple solution until all this regional bs is figured out, just get a vpn and set your location on the other side of the country and you can watch any mlb game
andrey c.
MLB should revoke local broadcast rights from all teams.
They currently negotiate all National broadcast rights and split the money equally. They should do the same for Regional broadcast rights.
The large markets will obviously whine and complain but in the end it will be much more beneficial overall. For example they could eliminate the Revenue Sharing system. MLB.tv streaming is jointly owned. With cable tv dying, and streaming increasing, it is heading to shared tv revenue anyway so you might as well settle all the issues immediately instead of spending decades in court with no resolution.
Samuel
andrey c.;
Yours is an ingenious, realistic, and practical post! I’ve never seen anyone bring up what is reality and spreading.
I’ve lived in many areas of the country. Long ago cut out TV totally. Everything I watch is streaming. 4 people in a house watch and listen to what they want to. MLB.TV allows me to watch and keep up with 7-8 teams a year. By doing that I see almost all MLB teams to some degree. And I watch no more TV than anyone else I know.
This is no different than local news. Newspapers and TV coverage has been replaced by national coverage. No one I know searches TV, radio, or newspapers for their local weather – they go to weather.com and type in the zip code they’re concerned with – immediately get the same hour-to-hour information that TV and Radio weather people give them. The same as searching for any news, checking email, or coming to this web site. Look when it’s convenient for you. Everything is on-demand.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
That’s like saying let’s pool all the earnings from Atantic Records and split it all amongst our roster of artists……..silly…. Zep and the Stones don’t need to carry all the others who don’t create a quality product….
brodie-bruce
@saber tbh atantic needs to give ownership shares to both zeppelin & ze stones, without them atantic records would be nothing.
BStrowman
i wouldn’t bury cable. Cable is going to come back. Not all to your local TV provider. But streaming services that offer cable will continue to grow. They just can’t offer the same “basic” cable package.
27 apps to watch things was cool for awhile but now it’s annoying. I went without cable for about a year. I no longer go for comcast but I’m on FUBO. So much easier. I’ve seen a lot
of people make that same switch & keep a few other streaming services.
DJH
Fact check for those who didn’t understand who isn’t complying with the agreement. It’s the Orioles. The deal that MLB signed with the Orioles and that the Lerners inherited when they bought the team, set the rules for the amount of the TV rights fees. They were to be reset every 5 years. The first reset was 2012. The two teams couldn’t agree so it went to an arbitrator per the contract. The arbitrator ruled and the Orioles refused to pay the contractually mandated amount. And BTW, the arbitrators ruling which the Nationals accepted and the Orioles did not, was closer to what the Orioles wanted than it was to what the Nationals wanted. The Orioles are the ones who aren’t complying with the agreement they signed.
Steve M.
Well done and all based on facts. Been in the courts for 10 years just to pay out the amounts owed from 2012-2016. They haven’t even got to 2017-2021 yet or the 2022-2026 reset.
GASoxFan
Most people don’t know anything about the MASN saga. I follow it out of curiosity since it is such a strange situation.
Not only are the mandated fees not being paid, but, since MASN itself is dominated by the same owner as the Os purportedly there’s creative accounting going on even within MASN to drive down the ‘profit’ of the entity that is designated to be split to the clubs as well.
To use made-up numbers for people to get the idea:
Assume a neutral/fair split was supposed to be MASN 200m/yr revenue, 50m/yr ‘overhead’ leaves 150m ‘profit,’ and contract would’ve called for 50m Nats/100m Os on a split.
Well, what the cooked books and improper holdbacks led to is more like 200m/yr revenue, 80m/yr claimed ‘overhead’ leaves 120m ‘profit,’ and ignoring contracted escalators leaving a 20m/100m Os on a split.
See the problems? First Angelos and company are twisting the revenue stream within MASN to depress the revenue that should be going to club and pocketing the difference. Then Angelos and company are not honoring the escalators within the agreement that said over time the Nats should be getting a growing slice of the pie.
What MLB SHOULD do is step in and take control of the Os franchise, and, hold a forced sale. There is ZERO doubt that the withholding of the revenue stream that the proper share of MASN funds due the Nats has had a detrimental effect on team operations and available cash to retain players, and is likely the driving factor behind all those deferred money deals as well – I’d bet the Nats expected to finally free up the MASN money by the time they came due.
Steve M.
The resets are every 5 years and they still haven’t resolved what happened over 10 years ago plus the over $100 million awarded by the courts hasn’t been paid out. Manfred has not done nearly enough.
BaseballisLife
The $100 million was not awarded by a court. It was awarded by the arbitrators. The arbitrators were MLB.
Steve M.
That is not correct.
chubias
Possible there is a bit of an ambiguity in the language. The contract states mandates the use of arbitration, the arbitration panel awarded $100M, and that award has been upheld by at least two courts.
washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/10/22/nationals-mas…
BaseballisLife
The problem the Orioles had is the signatory on the deal was MLB and the arbitrators were, wait for it…MLB.
That is why it’s still in court.
comish4lif
But that’s the deal, right? MLB resolves TV decisions and club disputes in front of a panel of MLB teams. Nevertheless, the arbitration decision has been enforced by the court since then, twice, I believe.
Steve M.
That is correct. MASN already put the money into escrow and refused to remit it to the Nationals until all of their appeals have been heard.
chubias
It’s not accurate to say the Orioles objected to making a deal with MLB over MASN. The Orioles were all to happy to sign the deal with MLB. They didn’t challenge the sweetheart deal that awarded them a huge financial interest in another team. They only challenged the part the where a decade later they might have to start paying something closer to the actual value of the product they received and profitted from.
User 401527550
I don’t want to hear crap about the Nationals and Orioles complaining about tv deals. I live almost 5 hours away in Notth Carolina. Both teams are blacked out because MLB considers me to be in their market. Meanwhile neither team is available on cable. The Braves have their games on cable. I buy the baseball package and any team I watch gets blacked out playing the Orioles and Nationals.
Steve M.
It’s a horrible system isn’t it.
chubias
Terrible system, but it should be noted that Angelos has MASN’s operational control and is the reason that it’s such a shambles operation. The lack of deals such as a streaming option and widespread cable availability is directly tied to this.
theathlete
Someone else please by the team. And please move them back to Montreal, or to Tennessee, or somewhere that’s not in the Maryland area. Thanks.
Steve M.
Washington had a baseball team called the Senators back in 1901 and the Senators remained until 1971. The Orioles arrived in Baltimore in the 1950s and overlapped in the American League with the Senators.
And you want the Nats to move? The 2019 World Series Nats?
O'sSayCanYouSee
And the Baltimore Orioles existed before the Washington Senators too. The franchise was moved to NYC and became the Yankees!!?! (Gasp, clutch your Pearls!)
Nationals have 1 WS…and the Orioles have 3. Even if you combine Senators and Nationals…they still don’t have as many WS Championships as the Baltimore Orioles.
So yeah, Nationals can walk, run, skip outta town if the don’t like the legal arrangements of being in someone else’s property.
nottinghamforest13
These archaic TV deals and territorial rights will be the undoing of the sport. The entire concept is a dinosaur.
kodiak920
Whichever side you are on, one thing we can all agree is the whole thing is a tedious mess.