Brian Cashman’s contract with the Yankees officially ended on October 31, but while he’s no longer an employee of the team, he continues to act as GM and the expectation is his contract will be extended, per Andy Martino of SNY. Jon Heyman of the NY Post is even more certain, citing a source saying there’s a “100 percent” chance Cashman returns.
Cashman has been with the Yankees since 1986, and served as their GM since 1998. During that time the team has gone to the World Series seven times, winning four championships, the last of which came in 2009. They’ve made the playoffs each of the past six seasons, but there’s been some frustration among Yankees fans over the team’s inability to get back to the World Series lately. That frustration does not appear to extend to owner Hal Steinbrenner though, and Martino cites the strong bond between Cashman and the Steinbrenners as reason to believe that even if a split were to happen, it would be amicable.
The expectation is that a renewal will happen, although Martino reports that while Cashman and Steinbrenner have discussed the future of the franchise recently, they haven’t talked on contract terms. Cashman’s previous contract was a five-year, $25MM deal signed in December of 2017. Nonetheless, it seems a near formality that Cashman’s contract will be renewed, and the Yankees can turn their attention to the playing roster moving forward, beginning with the enormous task of trying to re-sign Aaron Judge.
Just here to watch all the Yankees fans lose their collective minds.
Cashman is very good, but I do think they should add in a fresh set of eyes. People get stale. Kick Cashman up another title level and hire a GM from the outside.
That is a great idea. Cashman to POBO and hire a young mind out of the Rays organization to be GM.
Like Chaim Bloom
Replacing Blooming Idiot with Cashman would make Sox fans delirious.
Cashman should be replaced on the merit of signing Aaron Hicks to that contract and trading for Josh Donaldson. Time for change. Judge is as good as gone too.
Poor Cashman. If he only was able to spend more money. What a shame.
Hicks was a good deal at the time. Pretty sure that deal was for IKF and Donaldson was the throw in.
Jtango- it’s a winning mentality. That’s the want – if you have players that are good enough, a simple mentality can change everything – look at the Phillies.
Lusciano: While you are correct about the mentality, I will ask: How are the Yankees supposed to engender such a mentality when Boone provides nothing but defense for their failures and excuses for their losses? That enables the exact opposite mentality and weakens them. The players were talking about the playoffs being a crapshoot….that is not a winning attitude.
It seems to me that *something* has to give in the organization and the problem is that *everything* looks to remain the same as it has since the Boone era began.
Agreed, Donaldson, Hicks (had one healthy year after years of injuries in Minnesota), losing so many quality players to the rule 5 Torrens, Whitlock, Stephan just to name a few) Not signing Gardy (he deserved a fair well tour even if just signed for a day) refusing to extend players (Judge should have been locked up after his first year), ARod making him look like a fool in 2008, giving Ellsbury $150m+ and then pinching pennies with Gardy, trading for a $30m a year DH, Boone getting a job and worse Boone still having one, signing Cole when everyone knew he was cheating, letting Preller get Manaea when he was tailor made for the Yankees, thinking Montas was gonna be a #2 in the playoffs, Chapman being on the team in August, picking up Britton’s option when nobody else would touch it. The guy gives solid reasons for replacing him every year but because he’s Hal’s lap dog he keeps his job. He is a decent GM and would do very well for a team like the Braves or White Sox but the Yankees need someone who knows he’s the GM of the Yankees. Someone in the Friedman mold. Solid talent evaluator who gets the missing piece regardless of cost.
Could he jump to the Mets??
Judge small chance, Cashman no chance
Ladies and gentlemen and all Yankee fans I would like to introduce your newest Seattle Mariner Aaron Judge. Don’t sit in judgement of me let me make my case. He wants to win a couple more rings all evidence is Seattle will be overruling the AL and then the NL in the World Series. Don’t break any laws getting mad at me. You can break your tv or computer or kid’s computer I don’t care. I hope you enjoyed my opening statement. 😉
If the Mariners have that kind of silly money, why not bring Diaz back with his new friends Rodon and deGrom
Seattle is my dark horse to actually sign him. but I think he may go NL as the pitching caters to his swing more effectively.
Houston’s still your Daddy! Even with Judge.
My dad was an ahole. The last time he punched me in the face I put him up against the wall and told him I will beat the crap out of him. When he died I thought it should have been sooner. You can be my daddy but in the next couple years we will put you up against the wall and say it is our time.
That’s funny. They didn’t disappoint.
The Yankees have been in the playoffs 21 of the 25 years Cashman has been GM and won the WS 4 times. How much better than the best in baseball over that period can he be? Not really sure what they expect. A title every year?
Yes,that IS what they expect, And they won’t settle for anything less.
So you are saying they are completely and utterly delusional?
I think the word your looking for is entitled.
You come up with the word ‘entitled’ but still can’t spell you’re. Amazing.
So since I can’t spell, that’s a good reason why Yankee fans are not “entitled”? ‘A’ doesn’t lead to ‘B’ here. Its more like you’re trying to link ‘A’ to ‘W’.
Out in Left: I think that’s a valid point about his success, but to put it a different way, Yankees fans look at the fact that the Yankees have not finished first in the AL in over a decade.
The Astros have finished first for six (?) seasons in a row, and beat the Yankees in each matchup.
The frustration stems from Cashman & co saying the team is fine as it’s constructed. It’s not. The Astros are a better team and they have been for a while. So, it seems to us that the Yankees are stagnating for financial reasons and hoping the Astros get eliminated so they can advance. But it’s not going to happen.
Cashman is a good GM. If he wanted to he could make a couple key trades, a couple player acquisitions, and fix the left side of the IF. The Yankees would could be favorites then. But to us, Cashman using the injury excuse is inexcusable because every single team has injuries. And, they occur every single year.
I’ve said it a dozen times, but the astros have 4 2 starter (framber is a 1 if not on the astros) international signings pitching for nothing to go along with Alvarez and tucker playing for nothing so far and other expensive awesome pieces. It’s probably the most dominant and wide open window I’ve ever seen. The 4 pitchers is ridiculous. Some teams have 1. 2 is franchise altering. 4 just plain never happens
So because they have not been the World Series you think they are a failure? Seriously?
I was more inclined to think entitled than delusional, but that settled it. Delusional it is.
They are too right handed. Too many strikeouts. The Cash man traded their best two starting pitching prospects for Montas who sucked and for a guy who had TJ post trade. Then you have Hicks who may be DFA’d. Time to replace him but they won’t.
Pads: The ownership’s mantra is literally: “If we don’t win a World Series it’s a failure.” So, I’d consider 13 seasons of failures by the ownership’s own definition a……failure. I don’t think that’s delusional.
But, it’s not about the World Series, literally. It’s about the failures of the FO to construct a team {capable} of winning it. There are glaring weaknesses on the Yankees roster and bloated, terrible contracts that shouldn’t be there. The Yankees are not a good enough team – bottom line. And they aren’t good enough because of poor decisions. If they are good enough (which I disagree with) than their manager obviously isn’t, so why is he still here? Cashman admitted he knows the Astros are better. They are. Lower in payroll, better in applied analytics, and better in player development (or scouting). Yankees have to compensate for that but {choose} to remain stagnant.
I think the fans asking for them to do a better job is not unreasonable.
The Yankees struck out 22.5% of the time in 2022. Middle of the pack. Almost exactly MLB average.
Cashman said in the presser that Hicks won’t be DFA’d
Montas was not good as a Yankee, but still has another year on his deal to redeem himself. I would not write him off after 8 starts. The other part of that deal, Trivino, was lights out in 25 appearances out of the pen.
Neither Sears nor Waldichuk was a top 100 prospect at the time of the trade. Waldichuk is #67 in the end of season rankings. Most GM’s make that trade for a guy that has been a solid middle of the rotation starter and has another year of team control beyond 2022.
Pads, yeah, I wasn’t referring to those, I was talking about Donaldson/IKF in terms of trades. The other issue that I have with Cashman is that when he’s asked about not building a better team, he repeatedly refers to the 2017 Astros and says the Yankees would’ve gone to the WS that year if they didn’t cheat.
Although that may be true, that has nothing to do with all the other years he’s been to the playoffs and lost…..like this year to the Astros.
And how many CHAMPIONSHIPS in the last 22 seasons? Three fewer than their rivals 3-1/2 hours up I-95.
The ring’s the thing.
Remember the mission statement.
Those “championships” are by a ballclub that yo-yo’s between bad and good.
Twenty-nine other MLB teams’ fans would gladly trade places with the success the Yankees have had. Yankee fans are spoiled. If they don’t win or get to the WS each year the team, and the GM, get labeled losers!
How would you like to be a Pirates fan?
It’s not that the Yankees fans are spoiled. We are, but not in the way you think. The front office/owner set the bar for success and failure.
We know how good it is to finish in the playoffs each season and we appreciate it. It’s one reason why we are Yankees fans and not Pirates fans. But we also know that advancing further is within reach of the Yankees if they simply want to do it.
When ownership sets the bar at championship or bust and they fail because of decisions they make, how can you call the fanbase spoiled for calling the bust for decisions they made?
“But we also know that advancing further is within reach of the Yankees if they simply want to do it.”
Pray tell how does one do that — are there certain players who will guarantee you playoff wins out there that 30 very smart major league front offices have not discovered yet? Or, is it as most reasonable analysts believe, that having a good team gets you into the playoffs, but once you get there, being good is not quite as important as being lucky?
They do that by *not* having a 36-year-old starting 3B with no offense at $50M per year when they could’ve had Correa (or many others) for the same amount. They also do that by *not* having a non—SS in IKF play SS all year and then in the postseason, also with no offense. They also sacrificed in LF with Hicks who was terrible and has been for a long time.
To clarify, the Astros are better positionally and the Yankees Cashman acknowledged that he knew that. The Yankees have the capability to get better players than they had at those positions (key positions, mind you) that they knew were areas of weakness. The Yankees will not admit when they fail, ie, IKF/Donaldson trade & Hicks extension, so they double-down. But, those decisions kill them because those guys are black holes in the lineup.
So, again, it’s not about * guaranteeing* a WS, but being a better team has been well within their capability each and every season and they’ve failed in that respect.
As a non-Yankees fan (heck, I actually rather dislike them!), I have always thought that your squad under Cashman was very well run. Most independent analysts thought the Yankees did a pretty good job of filling their infield last winter (unless you want to go all Dodgers on everyone and buy whatever it you want). While baseball decisions don’t always work out well, more did under Cashman than they do for most clubs. Like, I sure wish my team had signed Nestor Cortes.!
Jtango: Yes, I agree with you on that. I think Cashman is a good GM. I think he will go into the HOF when his career is over because of his success too, imho. Trust me, I know we could do a lot worse. That’s certainly not lost on me. I just think he has limitations and roster construction is not his strong suit for postseason play.
Which team is yours,btw?
Yankee Clipper – so are you thinking it’s time for a change? As a met fan w lots of Yankee friends, I feel like most would be okay if he moved on… and the point about fresh perspective from a new GM is valid and can bring some real short-term value… but wondering your take as a Yankee fan
Good to hear that you are a reasonable man, despite your being a Yankees fan!
(And I am a Red Sox fan….)
4 since Cashman took over as GM. The same as the Red Sox.
Cash man had little to do with building any of those teams except 2009.
He was the assistant GM and was responsible for the draft and in the middle of virtually every trade or FA signing since 1992. That 1996 team was as much his as Michael’s or Watson’s and that is the reason he was promoted to GM.
I am not even a Yankees fan, a bit of a Yankees hater in fact, and I know your team history better than you do.
The majority of the players that the Yankees won with in 1998-2000 were from the Gene Michael/ Bob Watson era which Cashman has rode the coattails of for most of his tenure. In reality Cashman has built one championship team of his own, which many organizations would be happy with, but thats not the Yankee way
Not even close. Michaels wanted Cashman to take over in 1996. He credited Cashman with both the success of drafts and negotiation of contracts. Steinbrenner told Stick he wanted an experienced GM and Watson had played for the Yankees and had 2 years as a GM under his belt in Houston.
Watson was who pushed for Cashman to be given the job and said that the Yankees would not have had the success they did in 96-97 if not for Cashman. Not sure if you are aware of it, but Watson was sick most of that time and Cashman was defacto running most of the day to day baseball operations in 1997.
Since 1992 Cashman was integrally involved in drafts, trades, and contract negotiations. That is why his promotion to GM was so seamless. Because he was doing most of the job already.
He’d settle for beating the Astros.
Next year Cash and Boone will be fine when they finish in third place.
CAN THE YANKS JUST FIRE HIM ALREADY??? Bring in Dayton Moore as GM, he is one of the best GMs in the league when employed
You confused on the part where he isn’t an employee currently? Hence can’t be fired my dude
Lmao he’s not employed by anyone so no he can’t be fired. Reading is tough huh?
You knew what he meant. He meant they should officially cut ties with him. Even though he’s not officially under contract, he’s still working for the franchise, holding pressers as if he were still the GM.
Eric77 – Sort of redundant for you to repeat semantics. If his retention is basically a done deal, why does it matter what it is called? Intelligence is knowing when the other person made a mistake. Wisdom is knowing when to decline to point out out.
Dayton Moore was successful about 1/3 of the time he was employed by the Royals. The game has passed him up from a roster construction standpoint.
Dayton Moore is getting an interview from the Texas Rangers, whose mindset is that of the Old-Boy Network.
Moore?! The GM that gave long term extensions to Merrifield and Perez in their mid-30s when he should’ve instead traded them for a big prospect haul? No thanks.
The Yankees paid Cashman 25 million since 2017 to make a bunch of half measure moves, give Bryce Harper money to a pitcher, get scammed by the Twins and lose Correa to them. Hal is nothing like his father.
When Hal’s dad was in charge the Yankees didn’t even make the playoffs for 13 years 82-94
But they may have had the best record during that timeframe.
They did not
If they didn’t they were close. They had the most wins in the 80’s.
And they also won 7 World Championships. You might want to acknowledge that too.
6 WS titles. Hal took over day to day operations for the 2007 season and was named the Chairman and managing partner in Sept 2007.
That’s true. But the organization that won the 2009 championship, including the GM, was already in place under George’s management, and it was George who turned an $8.5 million investment into a multibillion-dollar franchise well able to afford a massive contract to Sabathia.
Shatner
Maybe not…..
But just about every one – or maybe every one – of those years, the Yankees had the highest payroll in MLB. Spending money is what counts with Yankee fans. That’s their Baseball IQ….spending money on payroll.
Only 2 teams made the playoffs from each league until 1995. If they played under that system still today the Yankees would’ve missed the playoffs plenty of times over Cashmans tenure. Half the freaking league gets in now it’s really not much of an accomplishment to hang on anymore.
That’s an excellent point Yanks for Life. In fact, counting this year they would’ve gone 4-for-14 on making the playoffs over the past fourteen seasons under that same system.
That’s not good.
It’s also a much more competitive league, more teams, revenue sharing. You’re not comparing apples to apples in the least
If Ma had huevos she’d by Pa? There also wouldn’t be a Tampa Bay Rays or Arizona Diamondbacks.
Half would be 15. 12 get into the playoffs this year and it was 8 teams most of those years since 1998. Since you don’t understand even simple math, we will give you a pass on the other total lack of logic. .
Best regular season record and most playoff appearances since Cashman took over seems like a huge accomplishment to me and the the fans of 29 other teams.
I don’t know why any real Yankee fan would want/ed Correa. I’d be much more open to Xander
“Get scammed by the twins and lose Correa to them.”
Yet the twins didn’t make the playoffs and the Yankees make the ALCS.
Your entitled whining isn’t endearing. Just stop.
Agree… Correa would’ve been a much better option than IKF, but it’s not like he’s producing like a superstar and would have guaranteed them going any further than they did
Correa had a 140 OPS+ and wRC+, the best in baseball at SS, and had a 5.4 WAR. Those are superstar numbers.
Can you name the SS in the AL that was as good?
Oh yeah, baseball is a sport where 1 player can singlehandedly lead a team to the playoffs. Is Mike Trout bad too? Tell me about how great it was to take on the entire contract remaining of 37 year old Josh Donaldson
Yankees need a new GM. With a payroll like that and they still can’t get very far season after season something has to change. Giving judge 300+ million would be a horrible idea. While Judge is a top 20 player, the Yankees need much more with that money
I think it’s a disgrace to compare Judge to Jeter like many have said, but your comment is equally as insulting saying he’s top 20 in baseball when clearly he’s top 3, if not the best of the best
He really isn’t top 3. Trout ohtani Harper are my top 3. Judge is a masher who had one amazing season this last year. He’s also what 30? So he won’t be putting up number like that much longer his decline will be starting in the next few years. He’s not worth 300+ mil
His next, presumably, decade-long contract being likely an albatross doesn’t negate the fact that he just put up one of the most historic seasons ever and each of his previous seasons were very good. Not to mention he’s great on defense also, Harper not so much
He had 1 GREAT season in a contract year. Yes it was one for the ages and he should get paid because of it. One great season doesn’t make you a top 3 mlb player. Are we including pitchers in this top of the top? If so top 20 I stand by which is great company to be in
He lead the league in virtually amost every single offensive category
And pitchers are not to be included as the same category as position players because it just doesn’t really make sense. Pitchers are their own category
Latino heat, to your point aren’t Harper and Trout 30 now as well? Both have gone through their injuries and could also be on the decline just like Judge over the next few years. And just because Judge isn’t in your top 3 doesn’t make him not in the top 3. One could argue Judge, Betts, Acuna, Soto could be in there.
Regardless of who your top 3 are, Judge ranks first in fWAR among all players since his rookie season in 2017.
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@Yanks2: I think Ohtani may disagree there…but after this year I’d agree Judge is up there in the top 3-5.
1986. Let’s name some baseball people that have been currently employed longer with the same team.
Bob Uecker
Cashman has been the GM since 1998.
If any GM that has a $200m payroll doesn’t deliver a championship at least once every 5 years, they should be fired. If the Rays can play at the same level as the Yankees while spending 1/4 or 1/3 of the $, it clearly shows that Cashman isn’t all that smart, and Rays are. So why not employ someone that is smart and also give them a crazy budget that the Yankees have?
Cashman has been a huge failure ever since the mid 2000s. The Yankees should NEVER win less than 95 games with that payroll. No excuse for that. They just spend stupid money bc they can.
Look what happened to Andrew Friedman when he left TB and was given a similar budget to the Yankees. The Dodgers have been the most elite team ever since he’s been there. Cashman has had some good years and some bad years. Bad years shouldn’t happen with $200m.
I disagree but not entirely. Having a big payroll means he has to compete every year and make trades to deplete depth no matter what. They haven’t done it as well as the Dodgers but so far they’ve never burned out like our other teams. If it wasn’t for the Astros being super special, his story might be different…. With all that being said, I think one more year for he and Boone and we’ll see after that.
Having a big payroll means that he shouldn’t have to deplete depth bc he could literally build a team from free agency and drafting alone. You could literally build a better team than the Yankees with a $250m budget with this years free agent class. Like how did they think the Donaldson trade was smart? Chapman was declining several years ago yet they paid him big bucks. Hicks was a terrible signing from Day 1, and no one was advising that when it was done. EVERYONE knew that Stanton deal wouldn’t go over well in the long term, but the Yankees said “we’re the Yankees, we can make stupid moves,” and that’s why they aren’t as good as they could be.
They are willing to make stupid moves.
Well, that Ellsberry contract was pretty solid!
I still disagree. If you’re starting from square one that’s fair but they’re always in contention, so they have to compete. They don’t tear it down arguably like they could and start from scratch but the fan base won’t go for it. No on really expects long term deals to be great at the end but it did win them a chip in 2009. Long story short … again… I think he’s middle of the road.
Well if a GM is truly looking out for the best interest of the fans and the organization, tearing things down to a degree and getting rid of trash in the process so you can rebuild better is necessary. Just bc fans will be pissed in the short term doesn’t mean it can’t be done. Continually adding bad contract after bad contract won’t get them and hasn’t gotten them anywhere.
So are you trying to win now or later? They won 99 games and without the Astros or that total meltdown they’re playing the Phillies. Obviously that didn’t happen but I don’t think you’re seeing how you have to operate in NY.
@nyy5102 the Yankees aren’t built to win now or later.. they just keep adding more bad money to a bad payroll. Judge will be another. He will be good for a few years and then they’ll have a ton of dead weight at the end again.
Name me the Yankees best 5 players: Aaron Judge (if re-signed), Gerritt Cole, Stanton, Severino and Nestor Cortes? Not exactly a scary top 5..
Remember how the Yankees were successful in the late 90’s? They developed from within and signed players to fill gaps. How many homegrown players do they have on their team these days? No one with much relevance. Instead they just keep spending and spending and spending.
Every 5 years??? Then does that mean you think dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, and now Mets should win 8 World Series combined in the next 10 years or they failed their minimum objective (since you said at least)?
No – I’m saying they should hire new GMs if they can’t produce a championship within 5 years. Teams that are spending 25% of what they are spending are competing with them!
I still disagree. No other team has made the playoffs 25 years in a row in this span. Yes I want championships, but I’m sure it’s better than being an Orioles or Pirates fan. I think the playoffs are a crapshoot and they’re not that juggernaut like they were in 1996-2000
Then you rotate GMs with different ideas for the teams direction too much and waste that payroll. While forcing those GMs to make knee jerk moves in order to save their job.
If I’m an owner that thinks like that and cycles through GMs, I imagine it would make people not want to work for me and make people question my decision making when it comes to personnel
What team spent under $75 million in 40 man payroll and competed with the Yankees. The lowest in the playoffs in the East was the Rays at $116 million. The Blue Jays $190 million. The Yankees spent $259 million.
kind of like what Boston is doing…
Sorry the comment system is fudged up. I think building a consistent division contender and playoff team can be a reasonable expectation. World Series wins are amazing but a bonus.
Think about this: the Yankees already have $195m on the books for 2025!! They are already near the luxury tax for 3 years from now! So now let’s say they re-sign Judge – that’ll put them at $230m, and they will be a year older as a team and the rest of the division is getting a lot better. So after that $230m, what’s next? They need 1-2 starting pitchers, a entire bullpen makeover, a first basemen, an upgrade at SS, 3B, LF and RF.
The CBT threshold for 2025 is $241 million. That means they are $46 million away from the threshold. 20% away.
That’s the point though. He’d have to tear it down and let the talent grow which he hasn’t done. There haven’t been many good SP since the 90’s but you have to salvage depth to compete. I’m not saying right or wrong but I think they’re could be worse GMs.
They need a gm like freidman you get a new voice, trade the dead money for low tier prospects. Just have a fire sale and go with the kids and invest in the kids. Cashman inherited gene Michael team that he built. You take away that Yankee dynasty in the late 90s-00 he only have 1 title to show for it. Yes they are the Yankees that they can outspend anyone but they need to build up the farm and sign guys to short term deals. But you can’t sell that idea to the Yankees owners it won’t happen.
Yankees have been the most successful team in baseball since Cashman was named GM in 1998. The highest regular season win percentage, 21 of 25 seasons in the playoffs, and 4 WS titles. Friedman didn’t win a WS until his 6th season with the Dodgers and even then it was only in a shortened year. He has no WS titles in 7 full seasons. So you are saying the Dodgers should fire him?
You guys are proving you are all insane.
Though it looks like it’s about to end, baseball is on a stretch of 8 years with 8 unique champions… and you think you should be walking away with the trophy every 5 years?? This isn’t the NBA, baseball is MUCH harder to pull that off
It’s not about winning the championship, although that’s the goal. Think of it this way: the Yankees have not even been the best team in the American League in a decade or more.
Again, the Astros are a better team. They have been a better team. And, they beat the Yankees each and every postseason matchup. Yankees have had multiple opportunities to improve and be better than the Astros, or at least as good. They haven’t. So, if *ownership’s goal* is to win a championship every year then how is it acceptable that they don’t do what’s necessary to beat a team that has been clearly better than the Yankees since 2015 or so?
That’s the bone of contention for Yankees fans. It’s not the expectation of winning the title. It’s the effort they are not putting in when everyone, including the Yankees, knows they need to in order to defeat the better team (Astros). They’ve had 8 seasons to get better. They haven’t despite multiple roster turnovers.
You’re quite right clip. But it’s really futile to discuss this, because we know that Cashman is not going anywhere. I expect to hear an announcement that he’s been resigned for five years again. He’s a member of the Steinbrenner family, and makes them money, so that’s all they care about. Simple as that.
This team was put together like a 14 year old would on MLB the show franchise mode
That sounds like the Dodgers.
The Dodgers have a lot of home grown talent. Their big budget just lets them keep it longer. Kershaw Will Smith Gonsolin Buehler Lux Belli (ok Belli is former talent)
Plus retreads no one wanted like Justin Turner Muncy Taylor Anderson Heaney
And they traded prospects to rent Trea. Only two big dollar contracts on roster Mookie and Freddie that are not home grown. Cards have Goldie and Arenado. Braves have Olson and Ozuna. Mets have Scherzer and Marte. Padres have Machado and Soto and Darvish. Phillies have Harper Schwarber Nick Castellanos and Zack Wheeler.
Milwaukee: the frightening thing about what you wrote is that in the press conference, Cashman, when asked about losing for several years now, responded that you have to “trust the process even when the results aren’t there.”
He also admitted that nowhere else in baseball does a GM remain for that long, after which he pointed out that Hal doesn’t fire people based on results – wow.
Clip, I did not know that part. That is truly scary. And there’s no accountability at all in the organization. And it shows.
Make him the fall guy for botching the judge situation. Tried to be cheap now their paying for it big time
I’m conflicted on Judge. He’s a great player, but, as he as shown, I think they’re more than a player or two away.
But the question is what would Judge have taken in March 2022. We don’t know, we just know it went up 75 million more in eight months
In March of this year Judge was asking for 10 years and $350 million. A better question is what will he be asking for after a historic offensive season?
“Asking for”
and “would have taken”
are not the same to me, maybe I could have been more clear.
Highest AAV ever for a position player and 10 years for a guy that will be in his age 31 season. That is insane.
Didn’t anyone learn from the Pujols deal and Cabrera extension? Don’t sign 31 year olds to long term deals. 5-6 years. Not 10.
Judge I would offer 4/160 with 4 vesting option years based on a combination of 550 plate appearances and being in top 5 in MVP voting the previous season.
Get paid huge dollars now and continue to perform at a high level and get paid later.
Cashman isn’t going anywhere!!
Pretty sure that Cashman holding the press conferences for the Yankees after his contract has expired is a sign that he will be back in 2026
If the Yankees were in the WS and Cashman’s contract expired Oct 31, meaning he would no longer be an employee., does he still get to be part of the celebrations of a championship?
This season started late, so you raise a point if the owner hates the GM, but winning usually solves dilemmas
1 title in 22 years with an unlimited payroll….Cashman is bad, you guys.
I wish it was unlimited. If it was they’d have verlander, Correa, Harper, the list goes on. They’re not cheap but they’re not the top spender anymore
I tend to think had the Mets won the WS there would be more pressure to can Cashman. And the Yankees did survive the Guardians
Never should have given up so readily on signing Bryce Harper. He might also have hit 60+ HR as a Yankee.
To add to your valid point about Harper, the reason Cashman said they didn’t sign him was that they already had six Major League outfielders…. Lol.
@Yankee Clipper … thanks for making my point, lol Cashman is simply bad at building a WS winner, sorry yall
A’sFan: Yes, I agree with you. I don’t think he has what it takes to build one that lasts, honestly.
Clip, he did say that. It’s on record. What he didn’t say was that they were were of mediocre quality.
@Nyy5102 it was for like 20 of those 22 years though! You are right though, they are getting shut out on big name FA’s all the time now.
In the thumbnail ge looks like Gru from Despicable Me
Very funny Android. He does at that!
Everything about this post leads me to believe Cashman is out.
If they were letting him go, they would’ve announced it before his old contract expired. I’d imagine that they’re working on a new Judge contract delaying his re-up.
Cashman is just OK and there are worse owners than Hal. But this is The New York Yankees they deserve something much better than just OK. It’s time for a change, but realistically there is no chance of that happening.
I’m hoping I am shocked and the two of them say let’s really go for it! Sign Judge, Rizzo, Rodon, Benintendi, and a solid reliever. I know no chance!!
How much better than being the best team in baseball since Cashman took over as GM do they deserve? How much better than the best regular season record, 21 playoff appearances in 25 years, and 4 WS titles do they deserve?
As an admittedly “spoiled Yankee Fan” we measure success in terms of championships. It’s been way too long by Yankee standards.
Agreed Mickey. What do you know what I do, things will not change. Mediocre is fine with hal. He’s more concerned with the money rolling in than anything else. He doesn’t care if we’re humiliated every year by the Astros.
But I would like to know where he was, when his father was at every game during his tenure reacting to every miscue and blunder. And expressing his views about winning is the only thing that matters. I guess boarding school, and he didn’t pay attention or care.
I don’t measure GMs solely on number of championships, not even for really high payroll teams. There are thirty teams, a high spending team is still lucky to win three championships from 1986 to the present. I mostly go by what seems like good judgment, the eye test rather than the metrics. To me, Cashman has not done a good enough job. As some posters have suggested, at a minimum, a GM or assistant GM has to be brought in as a sounding board on the free agent signings.
Right, and I’m not saying championships HAVE to happen, but when you look at the team and you see a less quality product than that of much smaller market teams, and those teams put relatively consistent winners on the field, it’s concerning. The Dodgers, Braves, Cardinals, Brewers, and others have all put consistent winners out there the last handful of years and have a much better outlook going forward than the Yankees. All those teams also have switched things up in the front office in the last 5-7 years. The Yankees? Nahhh. They keep putting the same guy back to work.
The question at this point should really be what in the world kind of dirt does Cashman have on the Steinbrenner family or know about that allows him to just keep on rocking as the Yankees GM
Dumb
Hal plays a bigger part in player acquisitions than most people realize. He drove the Stanton deal and has the final say on who they add and who they don’t. Hal seems content making the playoffs and mortgaging the future to keep their playoff streak alive. This will eventually catch up to them (sooner than later) and while they can use Cashman as the fall guy, ownership has a big say in why they are where they are right now. A Yankees rebuild will take 3-4 years and I don’t see Hal or the fans having the patience to do that. So it will be more of the same in NY until the team finally crashes and burns.
“This will eventually catch up to them (sooner than later)….”
Dorothy_Mantooth;
It has caught up with them…..for years now.
Haven’t you been watching?
The guy started a chat today on the Yankees by stating that they’ve finished over .500 every year since 1990-something. In just about every one of those years they were in the top 3 MLB teams in payroll, oftentimes the top team. That’s an accomplishment?
It appears to be an accomplishment in Hal’s eyes. Not that they need it, but Hal loves the extra revenue generated by playoff appearances so he does just enough to get them into the playoffs each year but there is no long term strategy to build a consistent winner with home grown talent. The last dominant Yankees teams were chock full of home grown players; now it’s about shelling out enough money in free agency and trading away good, young prospects for older veterans just to get into the playoffs. It’s a rudderless ship that’s eventually going to run aground.
It will never catch up. During the drought years, the Yankees still had the best overall record in baseball during those years. They have the means and use them. A monkey acting as GM would win 90+ games a year on average.
It is very easy to compete at playoff levels when you can poach what you need, retain what you have, and buy talent to reload your minor leagues.
Well I certainly wasn’t disappointed by all the Yankees fans heads exploding.
That was hilarious.
Who would replace Cashman if he were let go?
Steal someone from Houston, Cleveland or TB’s front office. That’s what everyone else does!
RyanD44;
Many of those people have been saying “I’m happy where I am” the past couple of years. The Mets had problems even getting young qualified FO people to come in for an interview.
The pressure in NYC (and Boston) from both the media and the fans that attack a FO and owner if there’s even a hint of taking a step back for a year to reload, is something smart FO execs don’t want to walk into. No team can be an all out contender year after year unless they overpay veterans in free agency….and in time the team gest bogged down in bad contracts – as the Yankees are currently – which then limits what the FO people can do.
What I’m seeing is that quality FO people are happy to work for non-large market teams.
Stearns would be a great choice
Kenny Williams or Theo. Theo probably would be more of the same.
Title plus “it’s over”,
Can we all appreciate the photo for this story?
Cold enough for an overcoat and scarf, but he’s leaving that turtle-waxed head to brave the elements?
If you run the Yankees and have that kind of payroll the expectation on paper is a playoff berth. Every year. In analyzing his performance, I would place him as reaching expectations with what he is given to start the year. He usually spends the trade deadline covering his mistakes, which is fine, and also expected. He is able, and usually has to.
My question is this, and hypothetical. Who thinks Cashman would be as successful with Tamps Bay at 140+ million less, the inability to cover opening day roster weaknesses during the season from outside the organization, retain his players reaching free agency, inability to go get top level talent in their prime to bolster the team, and keep the team as competitive every year as Tampa has been? In the context is Cashman a great GM? Again, I think he is adequate.
When I think of great GM’s I think about guys that consistently surpass expectations, not just meet them. Cashman is fine. The Yankees have the means to win and make the playoffs every year, and they usually do. Is he surpassing expectations consistently?
Excellent point. I agree with it fully.
Surprisingly, no one mentions this year’s trade deadline moves. Had Cashman got the Castillo deal done, Yankees would have had a better chance thus year vs Astros. Plus having Castillo under contract for $105MM going forward would look nice. Cashman chose to keep Volpe, Peraza, Dominguez, etc. Only time will tell if that was the smart move.
Cashman is not going anywhere. Not his fault the Yankee hitters struck out so often in the postseason that the EPA listed them as an alternate source of pollution-free energy.
JMHO, but the 2023 Yankee line up is gonna look a whole lot different than the 2022 version.
Believe they will surprise by cutting ties with a number of players and go after Trea Turner and an outfielder or DH type who can bang. Maybe someone like Hunter Renfroe of the Brewers?
Backup Catcher……”Not his fault those Yankee hitters struck out so often in the Post season.”……..Well I have a flash for you, those hitters ARE HIS hitters he put this team together with…. . We can’t fault the hitters…they are what they are. They aren’t TRYNG to strike out !! It is the GM who is responsible for putting those hitters on the squad he built !!!
Yankees hitters struck out 22..5% of the time in the regular season. That is almost exactly MLB average. 15th highest K% in MLB and 8th in the AL.
Those same hitters struck out 36.2% of the time in the playoffs and 38.5% of the time in the ALCS.
While its the GM’s responsibility to put together the team, its not his responsibility to play the game. If the Yankees hitters had performed to their regular season standard of play, the playoff results may have been different. That is on the players.
Or maybe, just maybe, it the fact that the Yankees squared off against the best pitching staff in the AL in the ALCS.
Pads, when you say “performed t their regular season of play”……which season are you speaking of…? April thru June they were 56-21. July thru October they were 43-42
22.5% K% for the season. Are you really that dense?
The doomed nature of prospect hype, Cguy. Good point. Sox are suffering that same fate. It’s a convenient narrative.
I’m a Cashman fan. However, I think it’s time for a change with the Yankees – get some new eyes on the matter.
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WHAT IF …..the following guys are lost a free agency and/or traded (not re-signed).
Next to each name is their curr. salary give or take a few dollars.
OF
Judge ………$19M
Benintendi…$8M
1B
Rizzo…….$16M
2B
Gleyber…$6M
RP
Britton…….$14M
Chapman…$16M
Green………$4M
SP
Taillon……$6M
IF something like this would ever happen, we just lost $89M in salary….off of a current team payroll of $250-ish ! So quick math would take it approx. $160M
But more importantly we have some really glaring holes to fill with TOP TOP talent….especially Judge and Rizzo.
Rizzo saved so many situations with his fielding and with a young erratic infield that will continue to happen.
BUT they would now be salary flexibility….to help fill holes, along with TRADES ( must get Reynolds)
So WHAT IF, this happened?..
To get back to the $245 million payroll we have that $90 million to spend…. And God forbid we extended it to $285 million+ each would give us 130 million to spend. (No breath holding here!)
Diaz for $20-22M….RP
Rodon for $28M…SP
Turner for $35M
Contreras for $15M
(That’s $100M).
Now trade Gleyber ,Taillon, Florial, and maybe a mid level prospect …….for Brian Reynolds
Does Turner, Contreras, and Reynolds cover the loss of Judge ???
Heck yeah (my opinion) !!!
But then we still have a 1B hole to address…..Josh Bell $15M.??
Say what you want but a slick fielding guy and thumper with power .
Reynolds would get a better return. More advanced prospects and less salaried leftovers
The Yankees pitching staff ranked 3rd in baseball, so not sure they need a huge overhaul, but adding a mid rotation starter and a setup man to the pen seems like necessities.
Rodon will take $30 million AAV, but he would be a great signing.
Turner is asking for 10 years. For a SS whose game is based mostly on speed and whose defense is already slipping? Most articles I read say he is a future 2B. Maybe just keep IKF and wait on Peraza and Volpe? Both should see time in the majors in 2023.
Going to take more prospects and much, much less salary to get Reynolds. Think 2 top 100 prospects and two others in the Yankees top 30 prospects. Which one of the Yankees top SS prospects do you want to include along with Dominguez?
I vote for you for GM of the New York Yankees.
You heard it here first. Judge goes home and joins Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani.
The Angels go after the big names and yes they are up for sale, but adding a name like Judge increases the value of that franchise.
If Judge goes home, he’ll be playing for the Giants, the team he rooted for when he was growing up in Linden, which is an hour-and-a-half drive from Oracle Park in San Francisco. His family still lives there.
I’m hopeful. I saw a clip of a younger Judge sitting in his family home with a framed Posey jersey in the background. That can’t hurt. Hopefully Buster has jumped into his new station in life and is going to work.
Sorry to see he will be back with the Yankees
Is he still pulling a paycheck or is this gratis?
Who would you trade for Hoskins? I know it’s a defensive downgrade?
I understand why fans of other teams think it’s a sense of entitlement that prompts some Yankee fans to want a new GM, and that’s probably so in many cases.
Speaking for myself, I think the argument against Cashman doesn’t hinge on the team’s failure to win championships. It’s more about the number of bad contracts on the ledger.
Cole was already suspected of using Spider Tack before Cashman signed him. Bauer had blown the whistle publicly about ball-doctoring back in 2018, specifically calling out the Astros, and Cashman should’ve known that the league was under pressure to do something about it. In June 2021, Cole’s future teammate Donaldson called out Cole a year after Cole was signed by Cashman: “Is it coincidence that Gerrit Cole’s spin rate numbers went down after four minor-leaguers got suspended for 10 games?” That was a prelude to the crackdown in the majors.
Since June of 2021, Gerrit ranks 19th in fWAR among starters with at least 150 innings, he ranks 49th among that group in ERA, and 33rd in FIP.
Among starters with at last 150 innings this year, he ranks 26th in fWAR, 36th in ERA, and 25th in FIP.
In case you think I’m arbitrarily cherry-picking with that 150-inning limit, let me explain that from June 2021 through the end of the 2022 season, Verlander pitched only 175 innings but had a higher fWAR than Cole, so I wanted to include every starter with a WAR equal to or greater than Cole’s.
That’s not a terrible performance by Cole — but Cashman gave him the largest contract for a starting pitcher in the history of the game. This year, the only player with a higher annual salary was Scherzer.
On the other hand, Cole ranked third in fWAR and fourth in ERA and FIP among starters with a least 150 innings pitched in 2018 and 2019, when he was an Astro. And that’s what Cashman paid for. He bought high on a starter he should’ve known might’ve been doctoring the ball.
In assuming Stanton’s massive contract, he again bought high, acquiring him after his MVP season. Thing is, the Yankees didn’t need a DH at the time, and they had a full contingent of outfielders.
One of those outfielders, Aaron Hicks, was still good in 2018 (27 HR, 129 wRC+). In fact, it was by far his best season — so Cashman bought high again, giving him a 7-year contract despite a history of injuries.
Then, after getting a great deal on LeMahieu for the 2019-2020 seasons, he bought high again on a 32-year-old, signing him through his age 37 season, despite his great first two seasons in pinstripes being anomalies (he’d had only one previous season, 2016, with a wRC+ or OPS+ that wasn’t below the league average).
Then he picked up a $50M salary obligation for 36-year-old Donaldson.
And then there were the awful trades for Gallo and Montas.
So, again, it’s not so much about the repeated postseason flops. It’s about the repeated bad deals. Sure, he’s had his successes. Trevino was a great addition, Cortes was even better, Luetge and Wandy were nice adds, and Bader might turn out to be a solid center fielder if the plantar fasciitis is behind him, and there have been others. But Cashman has had more money to work with than any of his peers since he took over in 1998, and lately the bad contracts have piled up.
He’s not a terrible GM. But look at the Astros’ success with economical international signings. They’re in their 5th World Series in this century. Look at the number of championships the Red Sox have won since the turn of the century. The Giants have been there four times and won three World Series. The Cardinals have been in four World Series and won twice. Most of those teams had less money to spend (an exception, the 2018 Red Sox).
Unlike some Yankee fans, I don’t deny Cashman any credit for the late-90s dynasty years, giving all the credit to Bob Watson and Stick Michael. Cashman made some key acquisitions too, and he deserves credit for those. But sometimes things go stale, and lately the accumulation of bad contracts and bad trades speaks for itself, IMO. Maybe there’s nobody better out there who’s available. But I’d like to test that.
I’m a Sox Fan, but I have no hatred for the Yankees. I have several family members who are Yankees fans. They’re good people. I know their frustrations, because the Sox have a GM who wishes to cut costs at the worst moment. Even I have to admit, something must change for both teams. It doesn’t feel right the Sox in the playoffs and not NYY, or vice versa. Both sides need to make a change.
Mike, I think it’s probably the Sox’ owners, not the GM, who want to cut costs. That’s why they hired a guy from the Rays. He’s just trying to do what they hired him to do.
Pink, all valid points. But with all the money cashman has had to work with, he has done a mediocre job. He should have at least been able to get us to the world series in 13 years. And yes, you are correct, the reason for this is all the poor contracts that he has taken on. And as you rightly point out, with a number of them he should’ve known better. and we can ask this question, how many GMs with all the money that Cashman has had his disposal over the last 13 years, would get to the postseason every year, I would say many of them, and how many would get to the World Series at least, I would say quite a number of them as well.
Doc, I look at it this way. It’s really not even necessary to engage in a complicated appraisal of Cashman’s good deals vs. his bad ones. The issue can be reduced to this simple statement:
Thirteen years without a World Series appearance on his budget should earn his dismissal. Period. Paragraph.
Well put Pink! Agree fully. But of course we know that Cashman is returning, he’s a member of the Steinbrenner family at this point. And Steinbrenner does not like change.
He might not like change, but he sure likes dollars.
The reality is the Yankees were more successful with their homegrown core and mix of complimentary/not really star players then anything they have tried to do since.
It may be hard to believe the Yankee dynasty ended with Paul O’Neill and Scott Brosius retiring but that was basically the end
Yankee fans will be outraged. Someone must pay for the failures of this year, they’ll scream. It’ll all be for naught, because the Steinbrenner’s don’t care about the fans anymore. It will take the fans protesting inside and outside of the stadium, screaming at the top of their lungs, I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore. Slowly Yankee Fans leave the Stadium, but in their wake lies signs saying ‘if you don’t fix this, you’ll lose us forever’, ‘save the Yankees’, ‘Sell the Yankees’ and ‘fire those bums (pictures of Boone and cashman)’. but that will never happen, because Yankees fans don’t have the courage. sure they’ll boo players who struck out today and hit a homer yesterday, but actually leaving the stadium and protesting outside will never happen.
Of all the things to protest, the Yankees not being a championship team is pretty stupid.
I hope this a start of several decades of basement dwelling for the jankees.