The Astros have parted ways with general manager James Click, the team announced Friday. ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets that Click formally rejected Houston’s one-year offer to return to the organization. Future details on the Astros’ baseball operations structure will come at an unspecified later date, per the team.
“We are grateful for all of James’ contributions,” owner Jim Crane said in a prepared statement. “We have had great success in each of his three seasons, and James has been an important part of that success. I want to personally thank him and wish him and his family well moving forward.”
It’s a bizarre and largely unprecedented dismissal, though not one that comes as a total surprise. Reports suggesting friction between Crane and Click date back more than a month now, although the general expectation was that if Houston managed to win the World Series, Click would be retained. Crane technically gave his GM that opportunity, but only in the form of a one-year extension. Extensions of just one year for a lame-duck GM are rare in the first place, and putting forth that type of offer on the heels three consecutive ALCS appearances, two straight World Series berths and, of course, a 2022 World Series victory, seems like little more than a lowball offer.
Crane hired Click on Feb. 3, 2020, just weeks after former president of baseball operations Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch were fired in the wake of the investigation into the Astros’ 2017 sign-stealing scandal. Click oversaw three seasons and three trade deadlines with the Astros in addition to a pair of full offseasons. Among his notable free-agent signings were Hector Neris, a bargain pickup of Ryne Stanek, and a new deal for Justin Verlander, though Verlander himself has spoken on record about how it was a call directly from Crane that wrapped up that agreement. Relatedly, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported recently that Crane has had a far larger role in baseball operations than most owners, functioning as a sort of “owner/GM” at times.
At least on the surface, there’s some evidence that was true not only with regard to free agent endeavors but the trade market. Crane reportedly nixed a trade agreement that would’ve sent righty Jose Urquidy to the Cubs in exchange for Willson Contreras this past summer, for instance. The Astros pivoted and acquired Christian Vazquez instead. Among the other trades of note made during Click’s tenure were acquisitions of relievers Kendall Graveman, Rafael Montero, Yimi Garcia, Phil Maton and Brooks Raley — all of which look anywhere from defensible to outstanding with the benefit of hindsight.
Where the Astros go from here remains to be seen. In the past several seasons, they’ve seen key lieutenants like Sig Mejdal (Orioles) and more recently Pete Putila (Giants) leave for more prominent roles with other organizations. At present, they have a pair of assistant GMs in Andrew Ball and Scott Powers.
Of course, there will be (and already has been) rampant speculation about former Astros assistant GM David Stearns, who recently stepped down as the Brewers’ president of baseball operations. Milwaukee hired Stearns away from Houston as their GM back in 2015, and Stearns quickly built a reputation as one of the most respected and successful executives in the sport, eventually being elevated to the title of president of baseball operations.
Stearns still has a year to go on his contract with the Brewers. The team announced at the time of his decision to step back that Stearns would remain with the team in an advisory/consultant capacity, helping GM Matt Arnold transition into the lead baseball operations role. Stearns, a New York native and frequent target of the Mets in recent offseasons, said at the time that he had no plans to pursue any other opportunities. “I’m not going anywhere,” Stearns stated, plainly adding that he planned to remain in Milwaukee and, for the first time in years, have the opportunity to take a deep breath and spend time with his young family.
Whether Stearns is a legitimate option for the Astros remains to be seen, though it stands to reason that Crane will look into the possibility. It’s been speculated that because Stearns still has a contract, the Astros would need to orchestrate some kind of trade to bring him into their front office. That, however, presumes that Stearns even wants to immediately jump back into the rigors of a 24-hour-a-day, 365-days-a-year baseball operations schedule.
Failing that, Crane will now have the opportunity to interview executives with other clubs to step into Click’s former role. If the hope is to eventually lure Stearns or another big-name executive to Houston, Crane might only hire a general manager for the time being, thus leaving the “president of baseball operations” title vacant and perhaps waiting for a bigger name. Doing so, however, would generally limit Crane to interviewing assistant GMs from other organizations. Teams typically only allow their executives to interview with other clubs and leave if they’re being offered a promotion.
However things play out, it’s a major shift for the Astros organization and a jarring sight to see a World Series-winning GM ousted just weeks after hoisting the trophy above his head. Crane can and likely will point to the one-year offer and say he tried to retain Click, though any such transparent statements will ring hollow. Click, who was previously an assistant GM with the Rays, should have no shortage of interest from other organizations as he looks for his next opportunity in baseball, though, and in all likelihood will have multiple offers and multiple roles from which to choose as the 44-year-old ponders what’s next in his career.
pohle
the writing has been on the wall, but i still cant help but be surprised
Fever Pitch Guy
pohle – It took six games to win the WS, that’s totally unacceptable.
Click should have done a better job of putting together a team that can win the WS in 5 or less games..
adkuchan
Maybe they won too fast? They could have had another home game.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
Win World Series championship then lowball your GM. Hmmm…. Yet Cashman can do no wrong.
angryyankeesfan1
Future Yankees GM
Rsox
Not as long as Brian Cashman draws breath
angryyankeesfan1
Maybe
LordD99
It’s not impossible, but it wouldn’t be an easy fit. Cashman’s not going anywhere. Hal loves him because he’s been doing exactly what Hal wants. He consistently puts winning teams on the field and makes the postseason. Owners don’t fire people for doing what they want, unless the two clash, as Click and Crane did. Hal and Cashman get along well. Cashman keeps the Stadium full and YES ratings high. Hal’s cash register keeps ringing. Fans get annoyed because they want #28 now. Hal wants consistent winning for profit. Cashman delivers, so Cashman returns.
There is a way the Yankees could have their cake and eat it too, but it would require Hal to take a risk. He could give Cashman a fake promotion and give him a PoBO title. Then bring in Click as GM as part of succession building. A fresh approach from the outside. Cashman would have to agree to cede some control; Click would have to agree to situation where he’s not the #1 baseball operations person, but if he does his job he’d be Cashman’s successor. Both have strong personalities, although both are analytically focused. It could work on that level. It could also be a disaster. Cashman was raised under the chaotic house of George. He’s known as great infighter and a control freak who consolidated power, driving out anyone who disagreed with him. Would he willingly open the door to his successor?
It’s a nice idea, but I don’t see it happening.
Joe says...
Well said LordD.
stymeedone
Detroit has the GM spot open.
Unclemike1525
That’s an awesome idea stymee. Lord knows the Tigers need someone to lead them across the desert that Avila created. But the Tigers hired Scott Harris who I know from the Cubs and is highly thought of. If they could get along maybe a Vice President overseeing Operations? The Tigers need all the help they can get before they ruin all the top prospects they managed to get. Their Minor Leagues are terrible obviously and Harris was a big part of fixing the Cubs.
LeylandsLung
Scott Harris is President of Baseball Operations. He’s looking for a GM, not a VP of Operations.
Unclemike1525
Thanks. Not completely up to date on the Tigers. Have enough problems with the Cubs and Sox. I know Harris will do a good job just wasn’t sure if he was going to try and do both jobs or not. Anyway Leyland one thing I can tell you is if they leave him alone Harris will more than likely come through for you guys. I think it also makes you front runners for Contreras.
tiger9
Minor league pitching looks pretty good guy….but they can’t develop a hitter to save their lives.
Unclemike1525
Then why is everyone getting TJ surgery and out for 2023 already?
TroyVan
UncleMike, apparently, Harris believes it had something to do with the medical staff and he fired them all.
Unclemike1525
Doesn’t bode well for Mize then I guess. I just know every arm they ever got they either ruined or almost ruined. I remember when they got Fullmer I cried because I was really hoping the Cubs would get him. They ran him into the ground and now many surgeries later he’s barely in the League. I thought he was a phenomenal talent and deserved better. So maybe Harris is on to something. Name me one guy they operated on that ever came back? I can’t think of anybody.
For Love of the Game
Mike, the “obvious” thing is that you know nothing about the Tigers. Scott Harris is President of Baseball Operations; they don’t need a VP of Operations. Plus, all four minor league affiliates had winning records last year.
BSHH
It would be phenomenal for the Tigers if they could hire Click. But he would not be willing to be a lieutenant to Harris, which I completely understand. It feels like a missed opportunity already.
Obviously Crane deserves praise for the Astros’ ongoing success. But I find it difficult to imagine what Click could have done much better after how the Astros emerged from ousting Luhnow and Hinch.
Unless Click wants to wait, there will be a lot of landing spots for him. The Angels might need another GM change, it’s only been a few years…
Gruß,
BSHH
carllafong
Is Detroit still located in Detroit? Pass If you like the sun and aren’t a fan of crime and miles of vacated properties.
dugdog83
Let me guess, you watched the movie 8 Mile one time?
Stick to knitting Carlla
carllafong
Since the 1970s half of Detroit’s population has left. Ever heard anyone describe Detroit as the land of opportunity? The garden spot of the United States? It’s beauty is right up there with Newark. Detroit is the armpit of America. A 747 sized can of deodorant couldn’t make Detroit stink less.
chiefnocahoma1
Wow. Can’t remember a time the GM was cut loose within weeks of a title. There’s more to this…
mamss
Dave Dombrowski was cut after the Ted Sox won in 2018
Deleted Userr
One year after they won*
Fever Pitch Guy
harambe – Less than one year, Dombrowksi left while the Sox were still reigning champions.
Deleted Userr
10 months. And the Red Sox’s fate for 2019 had already been decided by that point.
Thomas E Snyder
There is. He wasn’t fired. He was offered a one-year contract, as was Dusty. Unlike Dusty, he turned it down.
agentx
A one-year contract that to me suggests that Crane didn’t really want Click back and made him “an offer he could definitely refuse” to bolster any claim Crane may have in the future that “We didn’t fire our World Series-winning GM, he left.”
Fever Pitch Guy
agent – Right you are! Common sense, if you make an offer that is well below market rate and will never be accepted then you are letting everyone know you don’t really want to keep that person.
No different than Bloom offering Xander one more year and $30M more. It’s just for PR …. “Look everyone, we *TRIED* to keep him”.
LordD99
Dusty is 73. Dusty was hired by the owner and gets along with him. Click does not. Different situation.
Josht
1 year contract was obviously Click Bait
LordD99
Not clicked!
LordD99
If I’m an Astros fan, I’m not doubting Crane.
stan lee the manly
Maybe not doubting the results, but it’s 1000 percent reasonable to doubt the integrity in which they arrived there.
inkstainedscribe
We don’t know what arrangement Crane and Dusty have informally. Dusty may be year-to-year on some type of handshake deal.
Yankee Clipper
Well, in all honesty, Dusty is Year-to-year on life at 73….. Makes no sense for a long-term contract.
RobM
Yankee Clipper, don’t be writing everyone off as year-to-year in their early 70s. 🙂
carllafong
It was a slap in the face and meant to insult.
Astros2017&22Champs
Its obvious here in Houston. Click is analytical and is not aligned with Dusty. Dusty is old school and does not like his gm demanding his moves on the field. Click did not hire Dusty. Crane did. Don’t believe anything else the media tells you. This was a Dusty or Click situation. Dusty wins
BigFred
But yet they offered Click a contract.
Astros2017&22Champs
A one year contract knowing the gm would take offense too. And Crane doesn’t dislike Click. Hes a terrific executive. Read my other post again. Thats all this is
mlbtrsks
Then why offer a contract at all?
tesseract
To say “we offered”
SocoComfort
They offer a contract to appease the fans and try to brainwash the fan base into thinking they at least tried something. They play mind games like politicians lol.
Prospectnvstr
Yeah, but it was one that they were pretty certain that he’d refuse.
Samuel
“Its obvious here in Houston. Click is analytical and is not aligned with Dusty. Dusty is old school and does not like his gm demanding his moves on the field.”
Astros2017Champs;
Jeff Luhnow is analytical. That’s why he was hired. The Astros have found players in drafts and other methods because they are heavy into analytics. They developed and turned around players because of their analytics. The entire reason that they’re the best organization in MLB is because of their use of analytics.
The Astros no more tell the manager what to do during the game than Scott Boras tells his clients their decisions. The Astros (and Orioles) give analytics to all personnel and will explain them if requested to. It’s up for the manager, players and coaches to use them as they see fit (Dusty and his coaches sit at a long table with charts and reports spread out in front of them every game).
If Mr. Click was intruding in the managers territory – then good on Mr. Crane for intervening. Businesses have roles and responsibilities. Employees have to respect one another’s turf or the business comes apart. For all the BS on here about Mr. Crane being a joke – the people writing it are jokes. The Astros are – and have been for years – the best organization in MLB…..which includes the Dodgers. When Jim Crane took over that organization they were lost and the team stunk. They have contended for 8 years in a row now….so don’t tell me about trash can banging in a part of one of them….when most teams in MLB were doing their form of sign stealing.
Mr. Crane is running his organization the proper way.
Rule #1 – The Boss Is Always Right
Rule #2 – When The Boss Is Wrong see Rule #1.
Fred McGriff HR
Is this the same type of analytical information that Servais and Thomson used on Alvarez?
BaseballisLife
Moreno is the boss
Nutting is the boss
Fisher is the boss
The boss is not always right.
Hotstovemelts
Samuel:
Mr Crane lol are you Mr Cranes personal fluffer? He does everything the right way. Lol
thunderecho
Samuel, This is not the first time tension between an Astros GM and Astros Manager occurred.
In 2014, Analytics centered Jeff Luhnow fired Bo Porter. At that time, Crane sided with Luhnow to fire Porter and that decision was rather fateful. Unfortunately. Porter argued over decisions on the field.
Crane learned quite a bit over his tenure as owner. He gives Dusty Baker a voice on player acquisitions and the freedom to manage his players the way he sees fit.
Anyone can say what they want either positively or negatively about the Astros but the Astros are Dusty’s Team.
great one
great one
The Fluffer position is hiring?
“Dear Mr. Crane. Before you swipe you left…”
JackStrawb
@thunderecho No argument, but that’s astoundingly foolish. Baker’s nearly clueless as regards the massive changes to the game we’ve seen in the last 20 years.
Letting Dusty manage the team the way he sees fit is a ludicrous approach to running the Astros. It’s fine to take an old school manager and let him do what he does well, but keep him away from major decisions requiring information he’s allergic to or at his age is simply unable to process—and that’s going to be most of it..
swing_maker
It’s a shame that letting Dusty run this team got them a World Series ring.
Eovaldismemes
Astros2017Champs- exactly, like the contreras-urquidy trade, dusty didn’t like it so crane didn’t pull the plug on the deal and yet it would’ve been a massive steal for the stros where Click got that in the final negotiations.
Proudveteran
Click was in conflict with Crane
Poster formerly known as . . .
The partnership just didn’t click, huh?
JockStrap
Win the world series and part ways??? I guess ownership upset he won it fairly.
Unclenolanrules
Didn’t the Red Sox get rid of Dombrowski after they won a World Series a couple years ago?
El Chupacabra
Sounds like he was somehow a threat to Crane?
LordD99
He was a pimple on the ass of Crane. The owner calls the shots. He’ll be replaced.
flamingbagofpoop
What? How do you get that he was a threat from this?
poolerh
Based on what?
boggie77
Hal you paying attention! Most likely NOT !!
whiplash
Bad move. Click shouldn’t have an issue getting another job. I’m guessing a trade for David Sterns is coming.
DarkSide830
A boon for the AL West, as well as whoever signs him next.
HalosHeavenJJ
Wow. Between Stearns and Click the baseball gods are trying to give the new Angels owners some quality options.
Hope the sale closes soon.
AshamedMethGoat
LOL Jim Crane.
Astros win a non-tainted WS, partly because of the Click’s work as GM, and they insult him with a one-year deal.
Seems like the Astros are successful in spite of Jim Crane, not because of him. What a clown of an owner.
steven st croix
A clown with 2 titles and owns the best run organization in baseball. under 2 different GMs. He must be doing something right.
VonPurpleHayes
I mean 1 real one.
AshamedMethGoat
Wrong. One title and one *title.
jjd002
Most of this roster was put together prior to Click being here. They didn’t win because of Click, they have two rings due to how well Lunhow built the organization from top to bottom.
AshamedMethGoat
Lunhow has been gone for 3 seasons, so they didn’t win solely because of him either. It’s not like the roster has been static since then, and while many Lunhow draftees have been contributing, you can’t discount what Click has done since then.
Astros fans should absolutely rejoice in their cleanly-won title, but they can’t pretend that Jim Crane isn’t a clown of an owner,
CamFrost
He’s not a clown of an owner. He has 2 WS titles.
Click was brought in and did his job; kept the ship moving forward. This team is still FULL of Luhnow fingerprints. Click brought in Montero, Will Smith, Vazquez and Mancini. Last year he got Graveman, Odorizzi and Yimi Garcia. It’s not like he is the mastermind. Him and Crane didn’t see eye to eye. It’s not surprising at all.
jtm2889
Not saying that I dislike Click or want him gone, but want to know the players that Click added to this World Series roster?
Trey Mancini
Christian Vazquez
Hector Neris
Ryne Stanek
Rafael Montero
End list.
The rest of the team, literally 20 other players, added by a guy who hasn’t worked in baseball in 3 seasons LOL!
jjd002
Never said he didn’t do anything, but the vast majority of the roster is from Lunhow. I’m rejoicing they have two titles in 6 seasons. Best ran organization in baseball. The moves Click made weren’t the difference between winning and not winning the WS. Lunhow’s moves were.
thickiedon
How is Crane a clown of an owner? He owns the most successful team in baseball over the last 8 or so years. The trades Click made and almost made were mostly bad. Mancini was subpar (good guy though). Will Harris wasn’t impressive or on playoff roster. I feel they could’ve got more for Odorizzi. The Contreras/Maldonado split would’ve been a huge distraction. Vazquez was a much better choice.
casorgreener
Luhnow didn’t bring in Altuve or Springer last I checked
jtm2889
Springer isn’t even on the team, last I checked lol
Astrosfn1979
JV was a free agent throwing in a workout for scouts this time last year. Luhnow had nothing to do with him being on the team in 2022 ( though Click’s role was also questionable)
Lance McCullers would have been a free agent after 2021 but Click signed him to an extension during last season.
Click traded for Mauricio Dubon and Will Smith who were on the roster.
Click extended Yuli Gurriel who would have been a free agent after last year.
That’s 5 more making 10 of the 26 on the playoff roster.
Click found Seth Martinez in the rule 5 draft who would have been on the roster if the Phillies were more RH heavy.
Click signed Michael Brantley and Jason Castro who were former Astros but both very much free agents. They were both injured but would have been on the roster if healthy.
Click traded for Phil Maton and Yanier Diaz who were both among the last players skipped over on the roster.
I agree that most of the roster were acquired by Luhnow ( and they should after only 3 seasons) but it’s not nearly as drastic as you stated.
Oh and Click signed Ryan Pressly to an extension or he would be a FA now after the World Series
Dumpster Divin Theo
Rejoice and cleanly won? Not sure Astro fans wanna be talking smack. Better to just slink away
Dumpster Divin Theo
Check again. Maybe springers hiding under I’m so shy altooves shirzee
jtm2889
This is the most DISINGENUOUS post that I have ever seen and you sbkd be ASHAMED for posting it!
Click doesn’t get credit for extending players that Luhnow drafted or traded for and we’re already in Houston when he arrived LOL!
Almost every single player you mentioned in your post was originally acquired by Luhnow, except for Mauricio Dubon and Will Smith, neither of whom even got into a postseason game!
Stop with this nonsense immediately.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wow looks like Astroworld be triggered
Dumpster Divin Theo
Astros fan on Astro fan violence after winning. America wins!
casorgreener
You missed my point. I’m saying Luhnow didn’t build it all himself either
Astrosfn1979
Lol
jtm2888 have a great day.
And maybe check your blood pressure just to be safe.
FYI I still say you are wrong.
Dumpster Divin Theo
And yet Click did something Luhnow couldn’t do, win a title without the use of trash cans.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Props to Luhnow too for supplying the hi tech buzzers.
Dumpster Divin Theo
How is Crane a clown of an owner? He eradicated polio, invented the internet, whips up a mean consomme, does the foxtrot, and created the greatest baseball dynasty in the modern era. Take that New York, Boston and Philly.
Eovaldismemes
jt- cry abt it, a gm’s job is to make moves, lunhow acquired/drafted those players but click knew to keep them on the team
stay mad
LordD99
Meh. He knew which players to keep, which to add, which to let go. He built an exceptional bullpen, which was key to the recent championship. Knew he could successfully move on from Correa and gave Peña his chance. Had to oversee the farm and recent draft with Luhnow’s penalties. Two straight AL pennants, current World Series champs. Don’t overthink it.
AshamedMethGoat
Agree, LordDgg. Funny how Astros fans are quick to say that Click “did it with Lunhow’s” system. Sure, the infrastructure was in place, but all of the things that you list above had more to do with Click’s judgement than anything else. These are core GM duties,
Besides, it’s not like Click just took over this season. If it were, this is a totally different conversation.
Astros2017&22Champs
LordD99. You’re right. Click did an exceptional job. We acknowledge hes very good. But he hasn’t done the kind of job that pushes Dusty out the door. Luhnow drafted jeremy pena. Its a sad situation but James Click will be running another front office eventually. He’s built an excellent reputation.
flamingbagofpoop
Not giving Correa $300m is far from a core GM duty. That’s an ownership decision, for sure and as explained above, his additions weren’t good. The only thing that’s funny is your confirmation bias.
eric77471
They also won one of those because of *checks notes* … trash can
Dumpster Divin Theo
And Framber all lubed up and walking round the OF grass like a donkey before quick pitching and Maldonado using a banned bat. List goes on and on
eric77471
Not fair? Kinda like cheating eh?
Astros2017&22Champs
Stick to doing meth goat. Crane is the best owner in baseball. He’ll either trade for stearns or hire Sig Mejdal from the orioles. Ex Luhnow lieutenant
AshamedMethGoat
See my comment above, Astros fan.
coupofthecentury
Clown of an owner who’s currently in the middle of a dynasty?
lololol
AshamedMethGoat
Yes.
Jerry Jones has two titles as owner of the Cowboys.
Jeannie Buss has a title as owner of Lakers.
Both are clowns. Winning titles doesn’t always mean that the owner is a genius. Sometimes they’re just fortunate.
Let’s see how the Astros do with their next GM.
jtm2889
Ok, so if the Astros win with a THIRD GM will that finally convince you or can we expect you back here posting that “they only won with Click’s guys! Astros and Crane are just lucky!”?
AshamedMethGoat
Never said the Astros were lucky. Just saying that Crane is clown for letting Click go. He’s also a clown for his handling of the cheating scandal
thickiedon
What’s Jerry’s success over the last 25 years though?
utah cornelius
A dynasty doesn’t win two WS titles in five years, especially when one is *tainted. A dynasty wins three titles in five years (SFG) or four in five years (NYY). Sorry, WS that are lost and lesser playoff victories don’t count toward dynasty status.
AshamedMethGoat
Great point.
1920’s – 1940’s Yankees: Dynasty
1990’s Yankees: Dynasty
1970’s Pittsburgh Steelers: Dynasty
1980’s SF 49ers: Dynasty
2010’s Patriots: Dynasty
1960’s Celtics: Dynasty
1980’s Lakers: Dynasty
1990’s Bulls: Dynasty
2017 – 2002 Astros: A nice run, but with some self-inflicted taint. Win a couple of more clean ones and we can talk dynasty,
Holy Cow!
Da Bulls.
Latino Heat
Funny you call the 1990s Yankees a dynasty when they were all using steroids.
ChuckyNJ
All of what AMG said is false equivalency. The NFL and the NBA are not baseball.
AshamedMethGoat
Sure Chucky…It’s much harder to be a dynasty in the NFL than in any other sport because there’s a lot more parity there,
flamingbagofpoop
It’s almost as useless as trying to compare things between eras while completely ignoring how much roster turn over has changed.
SocoComfort
You don’t move the goal posts because the era is different in regards to a team being a dynasty. It’s all about winning in your era. Things change but Titles in record books do not.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Lot more party there in the NFL too, esp at Michael Irvins amirite
SportsFan0000
1970′ A’s Dynasty
1970’s Big Red Machine Dynasty
Prospectnvstr
Ashamed: Click was hired as the REPLACEMENT GM after the scandal left Houston w/o a GM. Most of the talent was already in the system. Click was a decent “game managing” GM. He re-signed some players. He didn’t make any boneheaded deals except that he ALMOST TRADED 3 yrs of Urquidy for a few months of Contreras. That trade would’ve happened EXCEPT Crane nixed the deal. That allowed Crane to get Vazquez instead.
rondon
The Jerry Jones of baseball.
Poundsy24
Red Sox, make a move here. Wouldn’t be the most fair to Bloom but he appears to have lost the room.
Samuel
Poundsy24;
Click would be doing the same things Bloom is doing.
JackStrawb
I suppose we’ll have to wait for Bloom’s memoirs to know what’s going on, but watching the Red Sox is a bizarre business at this point.
A Bloom team that can’t scrape up enough pitching to do better than a 4.53 ERA, 14th in the AL? WTH??
King Floch
lol Astros
Samuel
King Floch;
You team is Astros 2.0
King Floch
Just a bit of lighthearted bantz, I don’t actually have a hardcore hate b*ner for the ‘Stros like some others here or anything. They got Trey a ring, after all.
And yeah, I’ll be quite pleased if Elias can put together something similar to the well-oiled machine he helped build in Houston before he came to Baltimore. The early results are extremely encouraging and I’m really looking forward to seeing what he has up his sleeve now that the O’s are finally pivoting from rebuilding to just plain old building.
Hotstovemelts
Samuel aka the Feelings Sherriff is at it again
LordD99
Correct choice on Click’s part. He doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the owner. The one year offer was designed to lead to this outcome. You never win a battle with the owner. Move on.
Yankee Clipper
They only cut him loose because they’re waiting for Aaron Boone’s contract to expire. He’s the best in the game as Cashman reminds us. We may just have to settle for Click or Bochy, or Bucky, or a monkey, if another club pries Booner from our hands in two years.
slimray
not a yankee fan but i agree with you.
VonPurpleHayes
Click wore buzzers under his shirt, alerting him when his Doordash orders arrived. He left before the scandal came out, but we know the truth.
SportsFan0000
?????
CamFrost
We knew this when he didn’t get a deal over the whole season. Click was brought in to keep the ship moving forward. He did that. Him and Crane didn’t see eye to eye.
Appreciate Click for keeping it going, but not too upset over it.
getrealgone2
Shocking……
Inside Out
Jim Crane, the biggest ahole in baseball.
RunDMC
Enter Jeff Luhnow
Bluemarlin528
The Jerry Jones of baseball Mr Jim Crane
ChuckyNJ
You’re confusing Jim Crane with the Astros’ previous owner Drayton McLane, who shares the same political views as Jerry Jones.
flamingbagofpoop
(Not everyone’s view of people revolves around their politics)
jjd002
How does that remotely make sense?
Bluemarlin528
The Jerry Jones of baseball
Jake1972
Click will have teams calling him with offer’s, so no big deal for him…
joefriday1948
Will the Houston loss of a GM click with the Detroit Tigers?
stubby66
Time to pay the Brewers to get Stearns
mallen
Or bring back Sig Mejdal from Baltimore, which won’t cost anything extra..
Monkey’s Uncle
I guess that things didn’t Click between James and Crane?
Dumpster Divin Theo
I don’t get it
86mets
Jeff Luhnow coming back. Yes, bad look. VERY bad look. But Crane strikes me as a man who doesn’t give a hoot.
AshamedMethGoat
Clearly, The Astros have been the pariah of MLB for three seasons. Sure, winning the title cleanly this year goes a long way in rehabbing their image, but I think rehiring Lunhow would be a huge step back and would continue the narrative of the Astros being a shady organization.
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think it rehabs them in any way. In fact, rather unfairly, I think it just directs more hatred towards them. The only thing that will make people accept the Astros is time. It’s not fair, but it is what it is.
BaseballisLife
A new owner would help. Crane knew about and condoned the activity that got his team penalized.
Yes, he knew. He is very involved in the day to day operations and has often been seen in the locker room and dugout prior to games as long as he has been an owner.
The Commissioner’s Memo in Sept 2017 was sent to the owner/managing partner. Crane had to pass it along to his FO. He knew what the rules were. He knew what the players were doing.
Astros want to rehab their image? Fire Crane.
VonPurpleHayes
I agree with the Crane take. I also think it would have been over by now had some players got suspended. This whole thing has been a debacle.
flamingbagofpoop
I think a lot of baseball fans have gotten over it. It’s the fanbases of teams they beat in that post season and the angry twitter type people that still hate them.
Astrosfn1979
Crane did not know, though he should have.
He refuses to wear his 2017 ring, he fired Hinch and Luhnow when MLB only required a suspension.
And that is why this is happening now. The cheating scandal actually caused Crane to become more involved in operations.
He felt blindsided by Luhnow and now does not trust any ops employee without personal supervision.
Click had his moves and instructions second guessed constantly.
That relationship needed to be over.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s not true. I’m a Phillies fan. I knew the Astros were a superior team, and don’t have a problem losing to them, but I still hate the organization and I’m not over it. Has nothing to do with their talent.
BaseballisLife
BS. There are photos of him in the dugout prior to the games all throughout the 2017 season. Articles about him being in the clubhouse prior to games. He walked down that hallway from the clubhouse to the dugout many times. He has been personally involved in the day to day operations from day one. He knew.
He fired them because they embarrassed him. If he could have gotten away with it from a PR standpoint he would have brought them both back.
He threw them under the bus to save face. To save from having to say he knew.
But he knew.
SportsFan0000
Astros were scapegoated for a baseball wide cheating scandal involving at least a dozen teams according to the Chris Basset interview and article.
Crane fired Luhnow and AJ Hinch in a deal with MLB Commish’s Office and the Union that shielded ALL PLAYERS AND CERTAIN TEAMS FROM DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS.
Luhnow’s lawsuit was settled for big bucks to keep quiet and not expose MLB to a bigger scandal.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
RunDMC
Not the exact same, but BOS brought back suspended Alex Cora. AJ Hinch is back, though not with the same team. Crane should reward Luhnow for taking the fall and fully realize the mobster mentality. Let Luhnow return from Italy (Godfather ref) and take over the family.
SportsFan0000
Stop the crying and whining!
Both titles were legit!
No mentions of the Red Sox and Yankees
who were also caught cheating over the long term, a lot longer than the Astros.
VonPurpleHayes
First off, there are different levels of cheating. No one else cheated at the level the Astros did. Secondly, let’s say the Red Sox and Yankees were cheating at the same level (they weren’t), how does that justify anything? Doee anyone not remember the outrage by oretty much every player in the league? If every other team were doing it, why the outrage? Mike Trout, Aaron Judge, Hank Aaron, Kris Bryant, Cody Bellinger, Trevor Baer, Nick Markakis, and countless others all bashed the Astros and Manfried’s weak punishment. If everyone else were cheating at the same level (Astros’ fans typical defense), why would these guys pretend to be outraged?
The Astros have been one of the best teams in baseball over the 7 years. They also cheated to an extent that no one else did in at least 1 season (likely 3). Both these things can be true. Talent doesn’t absolve them of anything. They likely could have won 2 championships fairly, but they didn’t. 2022 was well earned. 2017 is forever tainted.
jjd002
Glad you included Bellinger is that comment. Nobody benefited more from electronic sign stealing than him. Without it he’s the worst offensive player in baseball. The hypocritical outrage from him was rich.
JackStrawb
@VonPurpleHayes Probably the best comment on the Astros I’ve seen on this site, and not just b/c I agree with it. Well said,
SportsFan0000
Reply to VonPurpleHayes
Lots of people bought the narrative making the Astros the scapegoat for sign stealing scandal that was rampant through out MLB and known to exist by the players and teams./
Read the Chris Bassit interview where he says sign stealing was rampant throughout MLB.
And, read how some in the baseball Media documented many, many teams involved in the baseball wide sign stealing scandal that got off scott free or received “slaps on their hands”.
From the facts I have read and seen, it looks like Jeff Luhnow was made
very generous financial offer to go away and to keep his mouth shut. (It is very common in these kinds of lawsuits and litigation that could open up large, rich , corporate entities to massive financial liabilities in Court).
Crane and the Astros agreed to “fall on their swords” and be the fall guys and scapegoats for a baseball wide problem.
Very likely MLB powers that be threatened Crane with a forced sale
and ban from baseball to go along with this deal.
Commish and other Owners could have forced Crane to sell
if he did not “play ball” and go along with the plan.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
SportsFan0000
Comment is not based on all the facts regarding the sign stealing scandal,
Astrosfn1979
Let me say I acknowledge the Astros cheated and deserved the punishment they got.
I am in the group that feels many teams cheated but knowing what I know of the Astros organization in 2017-2018 I feel confident they were more extensive than others and likely crossed lines other teams didn’t or wouldn’t
But the common idea that it was only the Astros and every other team was completely innocent saddens me. But it is what it is.
Now as a fan for nearly 45 years I would like it to go away.
They served their sentence everyone deserves a chance to move on with their life.
By all accounts they stopped using the system early in 2018. That’s going on 5 years ago.
Out of an active roster of 26 players only Jose Altuve (hated system and told players to not signal when he was at bat), Alex Bregman (23 yr old in 1st full MLB season clearly not in position to stop anyone), and Lance McCullers ( a pitcher) are the only players left from 2017.
It’s time to stop bringing it up every five minutes
Orioles2024
Bring back Jeff!
BaseballisLife
Luhnow now owns two futbol teams. One in Spain and one in his native Mexico.
He is not coming back.
Orioles2024
Jeff Luhnow is doing what he can now.
If you tell me that man wouldn’t want to come back to baseball and rebuild himself up as a great POBO—idk about that one. He can still own his soccer teams.
BaseballisLife
Doing what he can? Luhnow is a guy that was never a baseball fan. He grew up in Mexico. He loves futbol.
He now owns two futbol teams. One that is looking to get back into series prima in Spain. A team that draws 30k fans a match.
After getting thrown under the bus by the owner of the Astros for something the entire organization was involved in, why would he ever come back to baseball.
SportsFan0000
Why would he want to?!
He sued the Astros and MLB regarding his firing
and the remaining 20M in his contract.
They have him a huge out of Court settlement so
MLB’s dirty laundry including long time cheating by the Yankees
and Red Sox would not be in the headlines’
and on the news for months to two years during a legal trial.
BaseballisLife
MLB and Crane wanted that all swept under the rug.
While I don’t know what the sealed settlement was, I do know that Luhnow sued for both the money owed and damages.
I think that the settlement was far more than the $20 million because in 2021 and 2022 he personally invested more than $150 million in the purchases of two different futbol teams.
SportsFan0000
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
StroDawg
He owns the team. He can run it how he wants to. He’s done pretty good so far. I’ll take him over any former astros owner or just about any other current owner. He makes decisions & stands by them. All I’m reading here is envy & jealousy that your teams are not as good as the Astros despite signing “star” players to long term contracts that usually don’t pan out. So just keep doubting the Astros decisions. They’ll keep winning.
Mario93
Every great thing/dynasty gets eventually ruined when egos get involved. You don’t fire a World Series general manager. Stuff like this is why organizations have downfalls. I don’t know what went on between him and the owner… but the owner should’ve gotten out the way, and allow the guy he hired who won you a World Series to continue doing his job. Owners job is to write the cheques and get out of the way. Period.
Astros2017&22Champs
Mario93. You just described arte moreno! Thats worked out great for the angels.
StroDawg
Mario You mean like he did Luhnow? Who btw built the current team. Click contributed very little to the current roster.
SportsFan0000
The announcers stated that there were only 8 Astros remaining on the roster
from the 2017 Championship team?!
So Click must have done something to replace all those players.
Give him the credit where credit is due.
Holy Cow!
Back to Baseball Prospectus with him? Wait, does anybody actually read that anymore?
BaseballisLife
You don’t? Explains it all.
davidn1818
Astros have done this before. Both times the owner felt they were not getting enough credit. John mcmullen fired Tal Smith and Drayton McLane fired Gary Hunsicker. Team went in a tailspin both times. Maybe Crane will make his son GM and try to be like Jerry and Steve Jones with the Cowboys.
jtm2889
This is a crazy and completely unreasonable take.
What do previous Astros owners have to do with Jim Crane?
Baseball in general, and the Astros in particular, are in a completely different era than before.
Quit being dense.
ChuckyNJ
Earth to davidn: The NFL is not baseball — and baseball is not a place where nepotism can take root.
stroh
Drayton McLane would not spend on the team and they went into a tailspin. He then sold the team. Crane has had a payroll of $160-190M each of the last several years. Crane has won 2 World Swries and had his trans appear in 4. And as Click himself said, is very demanding.
SportsFan0000
The Astros former owners didn’t sell the team voluntarily.
MLB forced the team into US Bankruptcy Court and a forced sale.
The Wilpons lost a ton of money & were mismanaged by the Wilpons.
However, the Mets were not forced to sell the team in US Bankruptcy court?!
JackStrawb
The Wilpons were longtime pals of then MLB Prez Bud Selig. Amazing to me that Sandy Alderson still has any kind of reputation after selling his name to Fred and Jeff for a decade and doing their dirty work, including playing David Wright into retirement.
Nothing the Wilpons pulled on players would have been possible without Alderson’s consent, and given he was installed by Selig, he had far more leverage than most GMs to resist their abysmal behavior.
Yet, somehow, Alderson has escaped any sort of responsibility or reckoning. That he isn’t booed relentlessly startles me, as does how he’s held up as a paragon by most Mets fans..
BaseballisLife
Crane’s son already has a senior VP position with the team.
alwaysatiger38
James Click. Scott Harris. Scott Harris. James Click. Enough said.
Astro fan 111
Click did not get along with Dusty. Click did not get along with Crane. Click proposed trading three plus years of a quality starter for three plus months of a quality hitter – that alone is justification for letting him go. Crane let him be the one choosing to leave and let him attend the GM meeting to look for a new job. Crane is not the bad guy here. He is just doing what he feels is best for the team while doing the least possible damage to Click’s reputation.
mlbtrsks
Then why not just announce that they would not be offering him a new contract?
stroh
Crane felt obligated given they won the World Series. If they hadn’t won, the change would have been made without the offer.
flamingbagofpoop
Reading isn’t THAT hard…”Crane let him be the one choosing to leave”
Surly_03
I would say that Crane was willing to give Click another shot to impress, in the form of a one year deal, but Click chose to tap out instead.
@Alkie posted this on another thread:
Astros players by Championship-Win-Percentage-Added, 2022 playoffs:
Players acquired by Jeff Luhnow: +94.5%
Players acquired by James Click: -9.0%
Bullpen (2022 playoff championship-win %-added):
Hector Neris +9.9%
Ryne Stanek +1.9%
Will Smith 0.0%
Phil Maton 0.0%
Seth Martinez 0.0%
Pedro Baez 0.0%
Rafael Montero -10.7%
mlbtrsks
It seems that civility is even harder for some…
BaseballisLife
Wow. You re-posted something that is totally wrong. Nice. Just shows how little you pay attention.
That is ADDITIONAL. Not a percentage of the team. And it’s just for a couple games.
There were 8 players remaining from the 2017 team. No matter what you want to try to say, the rest were there because Click chose for them to be there.
DBH1969
This is probably best for both sides. I just see this a story of 2 sides not meshing. Doesn’t make one side better,
rolafaive
Oh trust me the Astro’s have probably already reached out to Milwaukee to test the waters of signing Stearns and what it would take to get Milwaukee on board..
Thomas E Snyder
Stearns said he was stepping away from his job to spend more time with family. How would it look if he pivots to go to work full-time with another team?
Samuel
Thomas E Snyder;
Like the other professional; sports, there are regular negotiations…..and there are backchannel negotiations.
I read about that Brewers press conference with Mr. Attanasio and Mr. Stearns, and it sounded like complete BS to me. So a head baseball guy decides to takes a year off but will “advise” – which is how long his contract is for….and the owner will give him his full salary?
Then within the last week or so the Brewers had a press conference discussing last season and what their future might bring. All MLB teams have been doing that recently. Their Baseball Ops guy does the conference…..except for the Brewers. While they promoted the GM (or something) to be the Baseball Ops guy, the Brewers conference was held by the Owner.
Mr. Stearns worked in Houston. He met his wife there. Her family is there. They have friends there. It sounds to me like this has been in the wind for quite a while, and details are being ironed out. Mr. Click was one of the details that got ironed out.
jjd002
The old Astros pitching coach said the same thing. He is now the pitching coach in Arizona.
mallen
si.com/mlb/astros/news/houston-astros-expected-int…
This article was written in early October before the regular season ended. I think Crane has his plan in place.
BaseballisLife
One last season of relevance in Houston before the braaap hits the fan.
Dusty will take his victory lap in 2023 before the franchise fades back into obscurity.
stroh
Yeah, right, because all the players will disappear, right? By the way Crane gave Dusty a 1-year deal. Dusty was the right guy for the job 3 years ago, but Crane will make the move away from Dusty when it makes sense.
BaseballisLife
CY Young pitcher gone this offseason. 6 more players after next season. In that group is most of the core.
stroh
Really? Stros have 6 starters in addition to JV. JV won exactly 1 game in the playoffs. Having said that better than 50% chance he returns. No one in the core – position players and starting pitchers with exception of JV is a free agent until 2025. Stros will definitely minute for years to come.
Surly_03
JV won two games in the playoffs. But it doesn’t look like they need him now that LMJ is healthy and Javier is basically the 3rd ace, if not the first.
LMJ
Valdez
Javier
Garcia
Brown
Urquidy
Tamarez, 22, up next year? And at least 2 more DR pitchers (Javier like) are in the pipeline.
BaseballisLife
How many with a sub 2 ERA? Without Verlander the starting staff goes from top 2 in MLB to 11th. Pitching is also part of the core.
Surly_03
Javier had a 1.79 ERA in the second half of the regular season and LMJ had a 2.27 ERA on the year.
Javier was also the most difficult starter to hit for the entire regular season, .170 AVG.
Javier playoff ERA – 0.71
Valdez playoff ERA – 1.44
Verlander playoff ERA – 5.85
LMJ playoff ERA – 5.87
rolandveras
The Astros will keep winning because they’ve never stopped cheating. Why would the players stop cheating? Nothing happened to the players when they were caught. Some of the players left and were paid very well. Plenty of reasons$$$ to continue. I don’t blame them. It’s on the league. It’s actually more surprising when the Astros don’t win it all. The league will intervene, eventually.
JackStrawb
That’s hugely unlikely. Replace Verlander with Some Guy with an ERA of 3.00 and the Astros are still top 2 in MLB, top 3 at worst, giving up all of 20 runs more across 162 games.
And that doesn’t count what they can buy for the 2/$70m+ they won’t be paying Verlander, so his cost alone makes it at least a break even change for Houston.
Fwiw, Verlander at the same price makes infinitely more sense for the Mets than deGrom does. The Mets project to need around 400 above average innings from starters in addition to Scherzer, Carrasco, Peterson, and Megill. Even with a $300m payroll they can’t be betting their season on deGrom’s frail scapula and the dead tendon in his right arm.
Tom the ray fan
Cmon back to Tampa will set you up for another GM job down here at the GM factory
sfjackcoke
Outsider looking in, the bigger issue is it’s Nov 11, two of Click’s top 2 lieutenants already moved on to SF and BAL and now Click himself. Yes there are some holdovers in the front office so maybe Crane wishes to fashion a baseball ops where he’s at the top with assistant GM’s handling the day to day. It’s his team but if you’re an Astros fan, getting to 2 WS back to back is hard enough, doing so with no front office in place on Nov 11th?
Verlander wants to try and win 300 games, he needs to play for a “winner” doesn’t this uncertainty make him pause just a moment
Orioles2024
Astros are still loaded. Verlander has a great chance on that team.
The next GM doesn’t have to build a major league roster tomorrow. He needs to continue building a minor league pipeline to sustain.
wright0525
He will be the next Tigers GM. Book it.
wright0525
He will be the next Tigers GM. Book hit.
mlbtrsks
If Crane wants to play silly management games, Click should have done the opposite of what Crane expected by accepting the 1 yr offer, then announcing that he would be “retiring” at the end of the season. It would have been a major inconvenience for Crane to fire him before then, and there would be plenty of offers to induce him out of “retirement” in 2024.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Sure, be petty and commit career suicide to spite one man. That’ll show Crane.
mlbtrsks
“Career suicide”? That’s nonsense.
mlbtrsks
How does accepting a 1 yr deal make an ass of anyone?
cpdpoet
While funny for sure…..team owners are an egotistic bunch.
Am guessing if Click made an ass out of one of their brethren, his next job would be for the Bravos de leon
mlbtrsks
In business, there are no “brethren”, only competitors who would hire Click if they thought he would give them an edge. If there was an ass in the room, it woiuld most assuredly be Crane for insulting the intelligence of his fan base.
davemlaw
There’s a lot of vitriol being thrown at Crane right now and sympathy for Click.
Bottom line, Click pissed off Crane and was let go. Most people have a boss in their lives and if you don’t get along with your boss there’s a good chance you’ll get fired. Sometimes you have to kiss the ring and acknowledge your boss or owner’s status by making them feel magnanimous.
Take Dusty Baker for example. Even if the Giants win the 2002 World Series he wasn’t coming back as the manager. Bad blood between him and upper management/ownership. Giants lost that series and Baker was an easy scapegoat, but he wasn’t returning regardless. So this type of thing isn’t unheard of.
And let’s just speak truth: Click wasn’t the architect of this Astro team. The core has been in place for sometime and he jumped on a high end yacht. So save your tissue and crying for those who really need it, Click will be just fine.
morebreakdowns
part of me thinks they are going to bring back Lunhow
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Everyone enjoys a dumpster fire when it involves former cheaters and the timing sets a real damper on the championship.
rememberthecoop
Bang the drum slowly.
Christian Ornelas
How is it not obvious? Crane is going to bring back Luhnow. The Astros have been getting too much good press recently, got to bring it back down.
stroh
No one in Houston is surprised that Click is gone. Jeff Luhnow built this team. 95% of the roster and most of our top minor league prospects are from the Luhnow era. Click behaved like a caretaker. Crane expected more, particularly at the trading deadline, wanting an impact bat and more. Click’s role was adding a couple of bullpen arms over the last 3 years and that’s it. Both Verlander and Brantley were re-signed by Crane, with Click carrying Crane’s bags. The current negotiation with Verlander is being done by Crane. Crane has said he is too involved in baseball ops and doesn’t want to be. But he wants an aggressive GM like Luhnow. I expect Sig Mejdal ( Orioles), David Stearns ( Brewers), Jon Daniels (ex-Rangers) and Dayton Moore ( ex-Royals) will be candidates. Whomever it is will be tasked with high expectations- a World Series every year as has been 4 out of the last 6 years. One could say Crane is disappointed he has only won 2.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Expected more at the trade deadline? But..
they…won
Samuel
Stearns
mallen
Mejdal
Rocker49
Hire Jeff Luhnow now. Definitely the smartest mind in all of baseball, and it’s not even close. His return would be bigger than winning the World Series.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Dysfunctional cheaters
goastros123
Do you need a hug?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Only if you don’t mess w the shirzee. “I’m shy”
nottinghamforest13
In what way is this move unprecedented? Gms are dismissed frequently. The last time a GM was dismissed became the precedent. There’s a fetish for the word unprecedented in recent lexicon and it only serves to make the user sound foolish similar to the fetish for using the word “literally” to describe something quite easily conceivable.
BaseballisLife
Can you name one that was dismissed within weeks of a WS win? That’s because its unprecedented.
JackStrawb
Strikes me as literally unprecedented.
Ahem.
WSnotAstros2017
This does not surprise me. A one year deal is a slap in the face. Three years at least would have been better. One year deals say if you do not do this for us then out the door you go. A GM does not have the time to really do much. Sort of like the moves you make this off season then at trade deadline have to work and fit. Guess we shall see what happens as time goes. Wonder if will find anyone by Winter meetings. I assume the owners are the big ones at the Winter meetings as compared to the GM meetings that just ended. Wonder how different we will look for next season. After seeing some of the 50 free agents and. only one Verlander maybe coming back. Also Josh Bell had a couple picking him to come here. Brantley as well not listed to come back either. Montero not either. So time will tell
RobM
The one year deal means Crane didn’t want Click back. He can claim he made an offer, but he knew Click would leave. It worked out exactly as Crane wanted it to, and Click is now free to go find a situation where he fits in better. The Astros also fired Powers, his assistant GM. That’s good for both sides. Powers wasn’t going to get the GM job, so it frees Powers up to find his next job, which likely will be where Click lands. A good businessman is decisive. Crane is decisive.
JackStrawb
@WSnotAstros2017 It wasn’t a slap in the face so much as Luhnow simply not wanting Click back. They don’t get along. Luhnow would rather move on. But rather than canning the guy after winning the WS he lowballed him, certainly hoping he’d decide he’d had enough.
RobM
Whatever negotiations were ongoing were likely Click trying to convince Crane to give him a multi-year deal, and some assurances on his ability to make the baseball op decisions. He didn’t get either, so he wisely left. His stock is even higher now.
I also don’t blame Crane. He has the right to put the people in charge that he’s comfortable with. That clearly wasn’t Click. Astros fans have nothing to complain about here.
yankeejim
This is about Dusty. He played Siri over McCormick when Click traded Straw, and Dubon when Click traded Siri. He refused to play Vasquez, who had better offense and defensive #s than Maldy, after Click traded for him. He went over Clicks head and told Crane he didn’t want Contrares and Crane killed the deal. Dusty twisted the knife at every opportunity. Warning to the next GM: keep any eye on Dusty!
Surly_03
@yankeejim
Could be, word on Twitter…
“James Click didn’t want Peña batting 2nd by the way. Dusty was adamant about it. They went 53-9 in 2022 when Peña hit 2nd.”
BaseballisLife
‘Word on Twitter” not attributed to any person means its total garbage.
RobM
Come on, BaseballisLife. “Word on Twitter” is now a completely accepted source and can be footnoted and used in bibliographies. Its the fastest-growing respected source in peer-reviewed studies. : -)
JackStrawb
@Surly_03 “They went 53-9 in 2022 when Peña hit 2nd.”
There probably isn’t a more random or meaningless stat in the game.
Even over 162 games, any sane batting order gets you within a few runs of any other sane batting order (you could look it up!), and the per game difference, which is indistinguishable from noise, is so small you wouldn’t be able to attribute a win to Batting Order A versus Batting Order B.
Surly_03
Why did the Astros “seemingly” win more, 53-9, when Peña was in the 2 hole and Gurriel was not?
Peña batting 2nd:
.290/.315/.522 13 HR, 31 RBI, 207 AB
Peña batting 7th:
.268/.313/.421, 5 HR, 20 RBI, 164 AB
Gurriel batting 2nd:
.288/.323/.347, 0 HR, 10 RBI, 118 AB
Gurriel batting 6th:
.261, .300, .422, 5 HR, 27 RBI, 199 AB
Brantley had a .786 OPS in the 2 hole while Peña had an .837 OPS.
Brantley had 5 HR in 243 AB while Peña had 13 HR in 207 AB.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
This would be a better GM then half of the ones that have jobs now. Padres, time to fire preller!
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
The sweetest revenge would be for the Dodgers to hire Click… and then beat Houston in next year’s World Series
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I was thinking to an AL West rival
BaseballisLife
Angels once Moreno sells the team.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I agree, once the Angels have a new owner they should “Click” on speed-dial.
SportsFan0000
Power struggle just like what happened in Boston a few years ago with Dombrowski and
Red Sox team ownership.
Red Sox Team ownership (John Henry, Tom Werner etc)…sided with administrative Team Pres Sam Kennedy (a former marketing guy who is not a baseball guy. He is an ass kisser to ownership).
Red Sox Ownership ran off: Theo Epstein, Dave Dombrowski and Ben Cherrington.
And, they sided with the micromanagers like Sam Kennedy who was a marketing guy who knows nothing about building a baseball team.
Crane is a “hands on owner”.
He threw Luhnow and AJ Hinch under the bus in a deal with the Commissioners Office and the players Union to protect players who cheated on their own.
.
SportsFan0000
The Astros won 2 World Series Titles in 6 years.
Cut the BS with the asterisks nonsense.
No one is going to shed any crocodile tears for the Yankees or Dodgers.
The Yankees have cheated with sign stealing, video room editing of signs,
and steroid loaded teams for decades or longer.
The Dodgers won only one Title since the 1980’s with Kirk Gibson.
The Astros had the best talent and team in 2017 and 2022.
If you are going to start handing out asterisks, then the Yankees and Red Sox should move
over and add asterisks to some of their titles also
SportsFan0000
All these continued potshots @ the Astros reflect badly on the teams and fans doing the crying and whining.
I am not an Astros fan, but c’mon man!
Give it up.
It is long over.
There is no crying in baseball!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
So you think we should celebrate Bonds as the greatest hall of gamer ever?
SportsFan0000
No comparison. Bonds cheated for at least half his career.
Look at pictures of him with the Pirates and then with the SF Giants.
He was normal size with the Pirates.
With the Giants, he obviously looked “roided up”
huge body and even head.
Not unless they open a new wing to the Hall of Fame for roided up players
and give teams with roided up players *astericks for all their titles in THAT era. (NYY, A’s with McGuire and Canseco etc…).
Astros cheated 1 year and the entire team did not cheat.
It as limited to a handful of players.
They cheated @ home.
They had a better road record that year where they could not cheat.
So, it was “a wash anyway.
The Commissioner’s report on the sign stealing scandal named many other teams including NYY and Red Sox.+ ,more teams.
None of those teams faced severe discipline like the Astros,
The Astros were made the scapegoats and made to take the punishment and shame but not the others?!
I guess some teams are deemed more equal than others in MLB.
FloridaSportsGuy
>Astros cheated 1 year and the entire team did not cheat.
It as limited to a handful of players.
They cheated @ home.
They had a better road record that year where they could not cheat.
So, it was “a wash anyway.
How is it a wash when you’re suggesting that the Astros won a bunch of games at home that they shouldn’t have, which might have been the difference maker as to whether they even made the playoffs?
JackStrawb
@SportsFan0000 Sad stuff. If Bonds’ career had lasted as long as it did, but he ‘only’ kept playing at the level he did his first four (probably non-roided seasons, if I have to guess), he’d have finished up with roughly 120 rWAR in almost 3,000 games, and inner circle numbers.
He’d already put up two 6 WAR and one 8 WAR season by age 24. His first four years were better than Soto’s. That’s a ballplayer. What a pity.
He’d be idolized everywhere.
SportsFan0000
Bonds was a Hall of Famer in my book just based on his outstanding performances in Pittsburgh,
He was so good!
He did not need to cheat at all.
But, unfortunately, he went over board and cheated.
SportsFan0000
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
VonPurpleHayes
Throw the players into that “crybaby” mix too then. The majority of the league was pretty outspoken about the Astros above and beyond cheating. No one is over it because the punishment didn’t fit the crime. And multiple players stated this was worse than steroids, so your steroid stance seems odd.
BaseballisLife
“Multiple players” are dumber than rocks. PED are the worst thing a player can do. It cheats not only your opponents, but the clean players on your own team. It takes money out of their pockets and in some cases eliminates their job.
There were no clean players on the Astros in 2017.
SportsFan0000
VonPurpleHayes
Wake up and Smell the coffee,
Sign stealing has been rampant throughout MLB for a long time.
Astros just were too “ham handed” and were banging trash cans
instead of using video rooms and phones like the Yankees, Red Sox and other teams.
It was not “worse than steroids”.. Steroids tainted multiple World Series Titles for the Yankees and other clubs for over a decades.
Astros cheated one year and got caught.
Astros were not as sophisticated in their sign stealing and cheating as the Yankees and Red Sox who had been stealing signs for longer than a decade.
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I shed tears for kids with parents who use drugs and molest them, not millionaire players and billionaire owners.
But I am still going to offer my view on ethics and cheating.
Astros and Asterick – it is delicious irony that those words share their first three letters.
SportsFan0000
Another fan and self proclaimed expert who ignores the rampant cheating in MLB, but trashes the Astros?!
I think many of these fans trashing the Astros are just jealous of their talent, the dynastic team they assembled, their continued winning ways etc…
They are doing better than their own favorite team(s) so
they become the easy target to criticize.
ohyeadam
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Astros_sign_steali…
Sport fan, read that and then go look at the 2017 bbref page for the astros and compare to later seasons/careers
SportsFan0000
ohyeadam
Not an Astros fan.
Not from Houston or Texas.
Have done a little digging out of curiosity.
It appears that someone(s) payed former Astros GM
Jeff Luhnow a boatload of money to settle his lawsuit against
the Astros etc…and to bury the mountain of evidence he and his lawyer
were gathering against MLB and other teams implicated.
In depositions and in open testimony under oath in Courts ,
all of MLB’s dirty laundry regarding its widespread sign stealing scandals involving many teams not named the Astros would have been exposed.
sign stealing would have been exposed and revealed to the entire widespread, baseball wide scandal covered up and paid to keep silent by
MLB, the Commish’s Office, the Owners etc,,,
Oakland A’s pitcher Chris Bassitt says Astros weren’t only team in MLB stealing signs
SportsFan0000
ohyeadam2 Chris Basset Interview revealed wide spread cheating and sign stealing throughout MLB
The Red Sox were disciplined by MLB, albeit not as severely as Houston was, for improperly using an Apple Watch to relay the signals of opposing teams during the 2017 season.
Robert Murray, then of The Athletic, reported that the Brewers suspected the Dodgers of using a camera to steal their signs during the 2018 NLCS.
Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic reported that the Red Sox illegally stole signs during the 2018 season and that, according to multiple sources, the Yankees had been using the replay room to decode signs since 2015 and the Red Sox since 2016.
Scott Miller, then of Bleacher Report, reported in 2019 that certain league sources believed the Diamondbacks, Indians, Rangers, Cubs, Blue Jays, and Nationals used electronic sign-stealing measures to varying extents.
Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat tweeted that the Brewers and Rangers (in addition to the Astros) were frequently named by players as practitioners of electronic sign-stealing.
Former MLBer Logan Morrison named the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, and Red Sox as team using video to decode signs.
SI’s Tom Verducci reported that multiple members of the Astros organization told MLB investigators that eight other teams had indulged in similar behavior.
You get the idea. While MLB and fans of teams other than the Astros would probably like to believe that Houston was the lone (or lone-ish) bad actor, that’s a bit too tidy for reality. Bassitt’s disclosures lend more evidence to the idea that it was more of a league-wide issue than a Houston issue.
SportsFan0000
cbssports.com/mlb/news/oakland-as-pitcher-chris-ba…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Google Eagle Global Logistics and EEOC to get a feel for Crane’s background
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Then google misogyny and Roberto Ozuna and you will know that the cans they were banging is not the only trash in the organization
Krob
I really hope everyone that lives in a ” Glass House”, and Feels They are Sinless- when you Reap what you Sow- God gets the final judgement by the way- many will have Eternity to reflect on your ill spiked tongue, and your wrong choice between God or Satan.
Jeff Luhnow Sued the Astros!!! Tried to make himself blameless- He is Not welcome back.
I rarely waste time reading comments, because of the lack of truth or intelligence- I already regret, but I ignored better judgement-
Maybe try Honest, do some Research for heavens sake:
More then half of the 27 titles were Bought!!!
Who is always at the Top spot in payroll now? Regular season record- wow
Postseason Not close.
Late 60s changed that dynamic.
So the Top Darlings:
Yankees/Dodgers should be close in titles- but their not, rules got changed because of the Yankees tactics-
Baseball over 150 years, it has a Lot of dark marks!! Life long Astros fan( 55+ years) I don’t Excuse the Cheating in 17!! It was Wrong.
But the Truth is fans, media Hate the Astros because We keep Winning every year, no matter who we lose, what gets in our way- Our Guys Never stop fighting.
It is well documented: Jose Altuve was Not on board with the Cheating scam- Anyone who says or feels, negative or Vial thoughts about Jose- You have Evil in your heart- and you will Reap what you Sow!!!
This probably want get cleared, but I said my peace, and I shall Pray for all you lost souls.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I thought nothing was worse than the bloggers who spew politics on this site, but your invoking religion on a discussion over sports comes in a close second.
As for Altuve, maybe he just wanted to keep his shirt on because he is shy, we’ll never know. But if he did know about the trash can banging, he should have been a whistle blower.
pc01
Jesus.
Alex Snow
He just…didn’t Click.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Here’s a change I can get behind: the ABS (automated ball-strike) challenge system being tried in the minors:
mlb.com/yankees/news/jasson-dominguez-uses-abs-cha…
At least it’s a start.
JackStrawb
HD convinced me that human umps need to go.
brucenewton
Hal needs to be on this.
MPrck
It sure seems as if the owner has a plan, and he can run it as well. They have a dynasty, Houston fans need not worry.
toystory3wasokay
Click learned half the formula Luhnow created. He has enough to take with him and build a team from the bottom up on his own, he did not make any major moves besides pitching since that’s all he knew at the time coming from Tampa and it showed as soon as he took over in 2020. 19 players of the WS roster are Luhnow’s, Baseball might never see a team build like this ever again because of the situation but in reality the Astros had two GMs basically. Houston would love a Luhnow return but do not see it happening. Luhnow’s analytics with Dusty keeping things realistic (unlike Hitch 2019) could take the Astros to another level of winning
Surly_03
The following players were added during Click’s 3 year tenure and are currently on the 40 man roster for next year:
1. Stanek
2. Neris
3. Maton
4. Dubon
5. Yainer Diaz
riffraff
Technical question..would this article be considered Click bait?
I’ll show myself out
EasternLeagueVeteran
Sandy Alderson to the Astros rescue!
sergefunction
He and Crane didn’t click.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Can’t wait until Click becomes the next Mike Fiers.
n888
Much like Johnny Lawrence, Click got hit by the Crane Kick
dh4all
Offering a manager and a GM a 1 year contract is a punk move. I would walk too.
Surly_03
You would decline a million dollar salary, a raise and a second opportunity to prove yourself to the owner of the best team in baseball?
top jimmy
Crane is a huge Richard Head.
Poster formerly known as . . .
What if he could poach Derek Falvey from the Twins?
Then you’ve have a Derek working for a Crane.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“you’d have,” dang it.
websoulsurfer
He was fired.
Houston #Astros GM James Click actually was fired. He was offered a one-year contract and raise from his $1 million salary on Monday, turned it down in pursuit of a longer contract, and was dismissed Friday after publicly airing his grievances at the GM meetings.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) November 11, 2022
Poster formerly known as . . .
If Hal doesn’t part ways with Cashman now, forget it.
Both Click and Luhnow should be available, and possibly Stearns, although he claims he’s content in Milwaukee. And there’s Theo Epstein, who might like the challenge of once again ending a championship drought.
Cashman’s been the Yankees’ GM 11 years longer than the next-longest-tenured GM currently employed.
Cue Elvis: “It’s Now or Never.”
Looks like never, at least for now.
JackStrawb
@Fink Ployed Sadly for Yankee fans, Cashman and Hal are going nowhere. They’ll bring Judge back because it’s the safe move. Some not too expensive embroidery around the edges will let them contend, again; make the postseason again; and get knocked out prior to the World Series, again, while showing a respectable profit.
It’d be interesting to see the Mets hire Click. In fact, it would be strange for Cohen not to bring him over. Given his position on the Astros and their success with Click as GM, it would make sense for the Mets to promote him above Eppler as the President of Baseball Operations and move Alderson into a purely advisory role, as they’ve discussed,
Otherwise you’re leaving Eppler in charge of a $300-350m payroll when he and Alderson, similar to Cashman, have already blundered away a very affordable 40 rWAR inherited roster by saddling Cohen with an ancient team that will only be older in 2023, and older still after the Mets get back on the free agent treadmill this offseason to try to be almost as good as they were in 2022 for around $40 million more.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Cohen ended up like the version of George Steinbrenner who missed the World Series (and in his case even the postseason) for 13 years despite being in a dominant financial position. The desire to win, but not quite the brains, and lacking the personality that brings aboard the best executive talent.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Apparently Luhnow is involved in professional soccer, having bought two foreign teams since 2021. But if he’d still be interested in managing a baseball team, I’d prefer him to Click. He sued the Astros for firing him unjustly, claiming in his suit that he had no knowledge of the cheating scandal and naming a front-office employee who was behind it, and citing an email from that employee where he warned that Luhnow should be kept in the dark about it.
I think Luhnow had more to do with the success of the Astros than Click did, although I’d take either of them over Cashman.
Gee Man
Why, did he cheat?