The Angels have made a notable addition to their starting staff, announcing agreement Wednesday on a three-year contract with free-agent lefty Tyler Anderson. It’s reportedly a $39MM guarantee with $13MM salaries paid out annually. Anderson had received a one-year, $19.65MM qualifying offer, but his deal with the Halos means he’s turning that down for a more lucrative pact. Anderson is represented by the Beverly Hills Sports Council.
Anderson, 33 in December, turned in a career-best season with the Dodgers in 2022, pitching to a 2.57 ERA in a career-high 178 2/3 innings. Along the way, he punched out 19.5% of his opponents against a 4.8% walk rate and 40.1% ground-ball rate.
A former first-round pick of the Rockies (No. 20 overall, in 2011), Anderson showed promise as a rookie in 2016 (3.54 ERA in 114 1/3 innings) before beginning to struggle at Coors Field and eventually incurring a fairly serious knee injury that derailed some of his prime years. Anderson was diagnosed with a chondral defect in the cartilage of his left knee, which sidelined him for the better part of a year and led to the end of his tenure with the Rockies.
Since leaving Colorado, Anderson’s climb back to big league relevance has been impressive, to say the least. Signed to a one-year, make-good deal by the Giants heading into 2020, Anderson did just that in the Covid-shortened season. A 4.37 ERA in 11 starts/13 total appearances wasn’t exactly eye-popping, but it earned him another big league deal with the Pirates the following season. Both the Phillies and Mariners went hard after Anderson at the ’21 trade deadline, with the lefty ultimately landing in Seattle. His 31 starts of roughly league-average pitching netted him a late one-year deal with the Dodgers.
As they so frequently do, the Dodgers found a way to coax a new level of performance out of Anderson in 2022. Anderson didn’t overhaul his pitch repertoire but did rely more heavily on his changeup than he has in all but the shortened 2020 season. R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports points out that Anderson also abandoned a changeup grip he’d been using in recent years and went back to an old grip that wound up generating more drop and limiting hard contact more effectively than ever before. Anderson ranked in the 98th percentile of MLB pitchers in terms of average exit velocity and opponents’ hard-hit rate, and he sat in the 95th percentile in terms of opponents’ chase rate on pitches off the plate.
It’ll now be incumbent upon the Angels to help Anderson sustain the 2022 version of himself even as he pitches into his mid-30s. It’s the first multi-year contract of Anderson’s career, and, more surprising, the first multi-year contract the Angels have given out to a free-agent starting pitcher since signing Joe Blanton ten years and three general managers ago. Owner Arte Moreno has seemingly been averse to multi-year pacts for free agent starters in all but a few special cases — the Halos pursued Gerrit Cole, for instance — and it’ll be Anderson who bucks that trend at a time when Moreno is exploring a potential sale of the franchise. It’s also the second straight winter in which Moreno and general manager Perry Minasian have jumped the market to sign a pitcher who’d received a qualifying offer; the Angels signed Noah Syndergaard to a one-year, $21MM contract last year before his QO decision was formally due.
Anderson will step into a rotation that’s fronted by two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani, giving manager Phil Nevin a fourth lefty to follow his ace in the rotation. The Angels’ trio of Patrick Sandoval, Reid Detmers and Jose Suarez enjoyed, in somewhat under-the-radar fashion, a very productive 2022 season.
Adding Anderson gives the Angels a strong quintet on which to lean, and the Halos have a handful of in-house options to round out a six-man rotation if they prefer to get Ohtani an extra day of rest. Righties Chase Silseth, Griffin Canning, Chris Rodriguez, Janson Junk, Touki Toussaint and Davis Daniel are all on the 40-man roster, as are southpaws Tucker Davidson, Jhonathan Diaz and Kenny Rosenberg. That certainly doesn’t preclude further additions, and it’s possible that some of those depth options won’t even last the entire offseason on the 40-man roster.
The deal pushes the Halos to a projected $173MM for the 2023 season, per Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez. For luxury-tax purposes, the Anderson deal pushes the Angels to a projected $187.5MM.
The Angels opened the 2022 season with a franchise-record $188.6MM payroll, so by signing Anderson they’re already vaulting themselves up to about $15MM from their highwater mark. With several holes to fill around the roster — infield, perhaps corner outfield, bullpen — they’re likely ticketed for what will be a third consecutive season of pushing to a new franchise record.
Because the Dodgers paid the luxury tax in 2022, their compensation for losing Anderson will be a pick between the fourth and fifth rounds of next year’s draft. The Angels, meanwhile, as a team that neither received revenue sharing nor paid the luxury tax, will surrender their second-highest draft selection and see their league-allotted international bonus pool reduced by $500K.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported Anderson and the Angels were in agreement. Joel Sherman of the New York Post first reported it was a three-year deal in the $40MM range, while Mark Feinsand of MLB.com specified the $39MM guarantee. Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register reported the even annual salary disbursement.
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Hahaha Nice fellas. Keep it up. Very nice!
GoogleMe
Nice start to off season. Rotation looking good. Now get a 7. Don’t think any of us have any faith in Adell or Moniak at the position.
User 2079935927
I’ll take Meyers in LF
Halo11Fan
I’ll take Myers in LF and occasional starts at first base.
Buff Barnacles
What would be your thoughts on going after Brandon Drury?
iverbure
Angels love giving away the top draft choice which is a good way to never win or make the playoffs. And it ensures you not only don’t win now, but in the future and you get a bad contract on the books right away. Great job all around.
haighwiser
It said the Dodgers went over the luxury tax last year so the compensation pick is between the fourth and fifth round. Very smart move by the Halos because they don’t have to give up a first rounder.
Chris G.
The Angels still lose their 2nd round pick, however.
iverbure
It’s never a smart move to surrender any picks because it lowers the amount of money you can spend in the draft. First you have to understand how the draft works, next you have to understand how teams like the dodgers and Astros win every year, (psst it’s not by spending more money than everyone) next you have to understand strong farm systems directly correlate to sustainable successful franchises for several years.
For a franchise like the angels who have wasted Trouts best years by doing what they’re doing right now. Overpaying for a meh player. If you can’t draft and develop your own Tyler Anderson you won’t win anyway. Constantly signing free agents and giving away picks like they’ve done the entirely of trouts career is a good way to make sure you don’t have any cheap impactful players joining the roster and that’s way all the improvement comes from.
dirkg
The Angels have historically never spent on pitching. Joe Blanton was their last multi year contracted starter. So clearly their strategy of developing pitching internally has worked out for them.
jonbluvin
They don’t get the Dodgers pick. They lose one of theirs.
stymeedone
@iverbure
So you’re saying it just coincidence that LAD are always among, if not the, top spenders? And the Astros simply sucked for a long time to build up top picks. Has that been what the Angels have been trying to duplicate?
Johnny Bravo
Tyler Anderson deal makes a lot of sense for the Angels
Tyler Anderson was pitching lights out in that World Series game was probably taking out a little too soon
davemlaw
I haven’t heard anyone talk about Anderson’s mental makeup and it’s worth noting.
He had a decent 2020 for the Giants and was non-tendered.
Then he signs with Pitt and gets traded to Seattle in 2021. Non-tendered again.
Then he signs with the Dodgers and they unlock his potential.
But what you never hear is what a hot head this guy is. Apparently he was toxic in the clubhouse while in SF. Don’t know about Pitt or SEA. Just worth mentioning as I never hear anyone talk about it.
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Dave, interesting. First I have heard of it…I can tell you this, the Dodgers run their clubhouse with an iron fist. As does Roberts. Never saw a hint or heard an inkling of anything like that with Anderson this year. Watched the Dodgers all year. They will NOT put up with chirping and clubhouse BS.
~Purist~
Kershaw in specifc holds that club house down is my bet, especially the pitchers
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Kershaw…JT…Mookie…Muncy.
C Yards Jeff
Dave & Trumbo J; thanks for this mini thread.
The mental/emotional make up of a player is just as much a concern to a FO as the physical. Delicate topic that, for legitimate reasons, doesn’t get talked about publicly. Pure speculation here, but I’m thinking he probably has been in search of help to address this issue for awhile, maybe his whole life, and he finally found some help/therapy that pops for him. Halos know this. Good pick up.
foppert
Excellent piece of nice positive speculating right there. Pleasure to read. Let’s hope so.
YourDreamGM
His mental makeup must not have been a problem in LA. He easily could have taken the QO. Only make up I would be concerned with is why he didn’t take it. Not confident in maintaining his performance? He would have to return to his previous form to not make more than 20 million in 2 years. If he repeats close to his 2022 the draft pick won’t be missed.
BigGiantHead
He was upset with Dave Roberts, who pulled him out after five shutout innings in the World Series.
stymeedone
Could you not hearing about him being toxic be because he isn’t, and that’s why no-one is mentioning it?
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Stymeedome, that makes a lot of sense….I’m inclined to agree with you 110%
stewartnbuck
5 teams in 4 seasons, red flag
YourDreamGM
Good flag. He was in demand.
User 2079935927
Wasn’t WS. It was against the Padres
ajrodz1335
I love to see it… good deal for the Halo’s
Eovaldismemes
Angels spending money on pitching? this is oddly strange
gbs42
And strangely odd
MuleorAstroMule
The Angels always state their rotation is their primary focus. Then they sign one and only one (theoretically) above-average pitcher every year. This year it is Anderson, last year it was Syndergaard, in 2021 it was Quintana and 2020 was Tehran.
bkbk
Its funny because this year the rotation is their 3rd focus after ss and OF, so they decided to sign a pitcher quickly.
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They need one more starter and atleast 2 more relievers. Beg Heaney to come back with his new cutter..
GoogleMe
@Trumbo Not necessarily. They could go with a 5 man rotation. This will five Ohtani and the rest of the rotation 4 more starts this year. I am sure Ohtani will probably need to green light a 5 man rotation.
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GoogleMe, I would rather have some insurance…Also to give Shohei plentiful rest. Even if we stopped here with the SP we need some relievers.
carllafong
Bring Heaney back to do what? Carry the ball bag? He’s horrible. Has a career ERA of 4.56 pitching in a pitcher’s ballpark. Has never won a single big game. PASS!
vtadave
Perfect fit then. He wouldn’t have to win a big game in Anaheim.
carllafong
LOL! Very good.
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Harsh but fair
HalosHeavenJJ
Fortunately the Angels have finally assembled a largely home grown staff.
Ohtani –
Sandoval – came over as a minor leaguer via trade
Detmers – first round pick
Suarez – international signing
Anderson is the only free agent in the bunch.
Samuel
HalosHeavenJJ;
Angels have a terrific GM. He got the deadwood out and keeps pushing them in the right direction.
If he gets a quality MI then it’s a matter of the players working with the coaches and staying healthy.
~Purist~
Its hard to call ohtani home grown IMO as he was largely developed in the NPB
HalosHeavenJJ
True. I left the space after him blank because I didn’t know how to categorize him.
He’s been an Angel since day one, but he’s not home grown.
GoogleMe
Ohtani used to have a huge leg kick when hitting when he first started playing in his first spring training. All the experts on ESPN said he shouldn’t make the team and should be sent to the minors. Amazing how Ohtani made the adjustment and started hitting.
Their top draft pick, Neto, has a similar leg kick. I have my doubts on him being able to hit with such a high leg kick. I know there have been some like Jose Cruz, but the pitchers of today pitch with so much more velocity and movement than back then.
User 2079935927
He said largely. Not straight across
~Purist~
True but the implication of putting Ohtani there with the other three was that he was a homegrown starter, which IMO he is not but it is also reasonable to call him homegrown from a certain perspective
carllafong
They need to add a top of the rotation starter. This Japanese pitcher, a Verlander, a Rodon– they need a stud behind Ohtani and to possibly lead the staff if the Angels have to trade Ohtani at the deadline– and they will if he says he’s not coming back.
White Sammy Sosa
Ohtani? He will not be with the Dodgers quad A minor league Team Angels this year though. I will bet my kids on that. He will be promoted to the Majors via trade soon. It will cost Pages or Busch, and Grove, Cartaya or pepiot and Lux. But….what good r chips if left rotting in minors. LAD is back loaded with talent, n Anahiem ( world’s biggest insane asylum ) is in need of stock. Or keep him n let him win you guys an award or something….lol. He will take that with him when he leaves in 23, and you’ll have a record of ( lets say) 78-84 with the Sho, and 70-92 w/o. +/- 5-10 games* pending on Judge health and can Tyler A. Bring his B+ game back for 1 more year. Y u think he left LA? Cuz: he and all know he wont fool the senior circuit a 2nd time around . So grab that cash and make a stack . 40 Mm is better than 20 mm. He will do good tho for a year here. Maybe move form 3rd to 5th in rotation after this year . * Per MLB win loss simulator ( can we send links here? Will send it…) But yeah…The Sho has left the building. Astros or cubs maybe, Mets Phil good chance, LAD n Tor only teams to have the chips to do it. LAD only team that can easily do it. Tor wud gut their talent pool , and they only seem to get worse now since last threat, so they might have to ?! Or Art the delusional phüc stick that he is, could keep him to spite LAD,too?
rpoabr
This writing style makes my brain hurt. What language is that?
User 2079935927
They gave $30m to Ohtani for 2023
And Thor got roughly that for this year.
Ben10
I got one right!
Ketch
0 for 1 in the free agent contest.
disadvantage
There’s still time to make corrections and get those freebie picks!
DarkSide830
You can still adjust your responses at this point.
JeffreyChungus
There’s still time to change your form we got this bro…
dodgerskingsfan
still haven’t put my picks in.
iverbure
Don’t take the easy way out. Stick with your first pick. You were wrong keep it wrong. This is very much like golf be honest.
Milwaukee-2208
Dodgers let this dude walk? Wow
Orioles2024
I’m not surprised at all. The Dodgers will probably find another pitcher to fix for half the money Anderson just got.
orange2001
Dylan Bundy
Gasu1
“Dylan Bundy”? The serial killer?
GoogleMe
No, the star running back for the Polk High Panthers that once scored four touchdowns in one game.
kdevry
Dylan “Theodore” Bundy
LordD99
They let Anderson and Heaney leave, although they could still bring the latter back. They have confidence they can find/create the next Anderson.
solaris602
If LAD let him walk out the door that easily, they must have fully expected him to regress next year. There is still a lot of value in Dick Wagner’s philosophy in the 70s and 80s with the Reds: better to move on from a player too early than too late.
solaris602
Taijuan Walker or Chris Bassitt. Neither one a world beater, but above average innings eaters who move the needle, but not by much.
pohle
arte hoping more, hopefully smarter, investments lead to higher sales? either way, an exciting move that a certain pending free agent should be happy about as well
phillies give me depression
Angels signing an inconsistent pitcher to a long term deal? i think i’ve heard this one before
VonPurpleHayes
3 years isn’t long-term in my eyes.
goob
@VonPurpleHayes
And by today’s standards, a $13M AAV is nothing for a mid-rotation lefty.
bigdaddyt
Bawww god that’s Yusei Kikuchi music
bigdaddyt
They can have Mitch white back if ya want
bkbkbkbk
Naw, his advanced stats were off the charts and he’s a former first round arm. Barring injury this has the potential to be a steal at 13/per if he repeats.
aragon
what worries me is he has been good only with the dodgers. and that’s for 1 season.
bkbk
He stopped throwing pitch types that people hit. Honestly the dodgers arent some deep secret cabal. They just tell pitchers to scrap their medicore stuff and sometimes develop a cutter. I think its the courage to convince them to do it that seperates the rays and the dodgers.
HalosHeavenJJ
Agreed.
My theory is that once the Rays and Dodgers do this for a year the hitters adjust to the new repertoire.. That’s why much of the “magic” wears off when they go to other teams.
HalosHeavenJJ
It always works so well with our crack coaching and medical staffs.
disadvantage
Inconsistent? He’s been a pretty safe bet for ~4.50 ERA and 30 starts most of his career. Except now he’s coming off a career year. So if he even trends slightly towards his 2022 season, this deal is a bargain. But if not, you could do a lot worse than $13mm/yr for 30 mid-rotation starts per season.
OntariGro
He’s made 30 or more starts twice in 7 seasons.
disadvantage
Good catch! What I should’ve said is that he has been pretty durable throughout his career, regardless of the number of starts he’s made.
vtadave
Except for the elbow, knee, and oblique issues.
disadvantage
I guess I didn’t spell out that he didn’t have an injury-free career, but are those even still major issues? Most of his issues came up in 2019 or before, but based on how he pitched last year, he seems to be recovering pretty well.
GoogleMe
“Angels signing an inconsistent pitcher to a long term deal? i think i’ve heard this one before”
What are you talking about? What inconsistent pitcher did they sign to a long term deal? Seems like an out of touch post.
Angels starters were 6th in baseball in ERA last year and this signing should make them better
clubber_lang84
He had a really good year. Figured he would fetch more than 3/40. What am I missing
rememberthecoop
He doesn’t have a long track record of success.
JoeBrady
That makes some sense. He hasn’t earned a huge amount in his career,and this will take him to his expected retirement date, while guaranteeing a lot of money, but not crazy money. And this makes the Angels rotation fairly formidable.
stroh
He had 1 good year in his career, with the Dodgers last year. Turned that into a 3-year deal. Good for him.
Orioles2024
Who will the Dodgers turn into a #2 starter this year?
Sean Manaea? Wade Miley?
baseballpun
Michael Wacha.
King Floch
Jordan Lyles!
rememberthecoop
Dustin May.
Orioles2024
Oh I think Dustin May is going to pitch like a stud this year.
I also don’t think there’s anyway the Dodgers go into the season without another starter. They usually have about 7 guys. I only see 5 + Pepiot now.
benhen77
Scot Kazmir
aragon
johan santana!
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Kazmir is taking it too far…Halo fans don’t talk about that guy.
GoogleMe
Lincecum
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I miss the freak.
HalosHeavenJJ
So do our opponents. Seems Oakland especially enjoyed him.
flamingbagofpoop
I heard big sexy was eyeing a comeback
BaseballisLife
Can’t say I saw that one coming. Thought he would go back to the Dodgers.
mils100
Angels need to spend this offseason and spend some more. Team has to be good in 2023 to have any chance of keeping Ohtani and to keep Trout happy. Anderson was terrific last year – will it continue or was it that Dodger magic, I don’t know. But this is barely more than Montero money – seems quite reasonable all things considered and term of 3 years is fine.
i like al conin
It’s not so much the contract as it’s the opportunity cost of the rotation spot. If he falters he’s another Teheran, Quintana or the long line of the same from the last 6-7 years. Another risk-reward SP signing, albeit with maybe less risk.
mils100
Isnt that true of anybody though? Best case, he is a 2, worst case a league average number 4. I dont think he has Teheran’s obvious red flags. Its a good, fair signing. Doesnt mean, he will work out or wont get hurt but on paper I like this.
flamingbagofpoop
Your worst case…isn’t the worst case.
VonPurpleHayes
Nice. I dig it.
The Fiend
Seems like the type of buy high move that keeps the Angels below .500
ExileInLA 2
Yea – didn’t Anderson just say “I bet that nobody will give me 2 years/$20mm after 2023”?
Samuel
Stay classy!
YourDreamGM
That’s what I heard him say.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Maybe Anderson likes the idea of his family, including daughters Halleigh and Brinkleigh, in SoCal for the next three years.
disadvantage
$13mm/yr is a “buy high” move? Even if he regresses towards his career average, that’s hardly an overpay.
Rsox
Tommy John surgery and stark regression coming soon…
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Noooooo Rsox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aragon
for the whole sux staff!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Anderson is not the type of hard thrower likely to end up with TJ. Sure, he will regress after career year and change of teams, But absolutely could end up with sub-4 ERA and solid performance in 2023-2025.
tiredolddude
This is one of those kinds of signings that leaves you scratching your head. Not what you’d think the Angels would look to target; a journeyman pitcher who had a nice season. Will be interesting to see if he can do as well without the Dodgers behind him
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They think he can give them 3 solid years and 100 starts. Maybe he can.
orange2001
100 starts in 3 seasons!? More like 75-90 starts.
Halo11Fan
75 starts is pretty good.
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Haha Fine. I’ll take that too. Let’s split the difference at 85.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Bad move, given that he doesn’t miss a lot of bats and the shift is going away next year. Stupidity
aragon
he had 7.0 k/9 and 4.06 k/w. he certainly missed lots of bats.
orange2001
7.0 K/9 is not good—hardly a strikeout pitcher. The 4.06 K-to-BB ratio means he has good command.
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7 strikeouts per 9 innings pitched is fantastic!
mlbdodgerfan2015
He may pitch to contact but he had much lower hard hit%, exit velocity % compared to his career averages and those 2022 numbers were elite across MLB. Key for him is that he threw strikes, 4.8% walk rate, by far lowest in his career.
Key pitch for him is that change up, which is his K pitch against righties and really keeps hitters off balance. He threw it more often in 2022 and a little bit slower perhaps a new grip. He rarely throws it to lefties. What is surprising is that his splits were more even than expected. I would have thought a big reverse split since he doesn’t throw his most effective pitch against lefties and doesn’t really have a sweeping curve/slider versus lefties. But his OPS was just a little higher vs lefties compared to righties.
HalosHeavenJJ
Thanks for that.
And the Angels starting infield features good defenders in Rendon and Walsh at the corners. Not sure who the middle guys will be but if they are Rengifo at second and Fletcher at short, both are fine.
So soft contact should become outs.
Stat
Sadly it seems optimistic for that infield to stay healthy for an extended period of time
orange2001
Stat – agreed. Rengifo is the only one I have hope in staying healthy. But Rendon, Fletcher, or Walsh playing 150+ games next season seems like a long shot. Which is why they need depth more than anything this offseason.
carllafong
Walsh won’t start the season and may be destined to play the outfield or platoon with right handed bat at first. Not sure he can be counted on to be healthy and bounce back after surgery.
cookmeister 2
Wonder if this allows for a trade possibility. 4 lefties in a rotation is pretty wild. Guess it worked for the Dodgers last year with their lefty heavy rotation, but maybe the Halos package Suarez with something to bolster the pen or other needs?
mlbdodgerfan2015
And Anderson in theory should act more like a RHP since he doesn’t throw his change up against lefties and that change up is devastating against RHBs. Slow and fading away. Really hard to barrel that or get that to leave the yard. He should have reverse splits. I’d stack all my LHBs against him and have him try to beat you without his best pitch.
User 2079935927
Angel in 1994 had 4 lefties and 1 righty in their rotation. The righty’s name Leftwitch.
You can’t make this stuff up.
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Almost as strange as Salmon having his team HR record broken by a smaller fish.
orange2001
Going strictly off memory, but was it Langston, Finley, Anderson… and Magrane? Hathaway? (Both were lefties). I remember Leftwich, another bust. I don’t remember if they also had Shawn Boskie in 1994, might have been 1995.
Ma4170
Not much downside for the years and dollars and a good amount of upside
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Anyone that is not keen on Anderson obviously didn’t watch him pitch all season. He was pretty much always good. He could help ANY team…
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Agree. I wish the Dodgers had signed him on the Angels terms, the QO plus two years at 9.7 million per year for a solid pitcher. He will regress some and the league change won’t help, but the Angels still got a solid deal for a pitcher. How unlike them.
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Manny, still stunned myself on both fronts.
aragon
but the years before ’22 give us worries. and coaches and trainors at dodgers seem much supirior than those with angels.
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Haha I agree with you. But even a guy like Verlander there is similar type risk and he will be paid close to 3X as much. I hear you. But all in all this is as good a move as any for the Halos.
tiredolddude
I guess my thing is that I saw him before LA, here in Pittsburgh, and then with the Dodgers. Look, he’s a reliable starter and keeps his team in the game. I get it.
I think he’s a crafty guy and benefits from playing in front of guys who make plays every start. I’m just not so sure that’s the Angels, that’s all
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Tiredolddude, Back to basics for the Halos. Gotta play solid D no matter what.
King Floch
Good for him, getting a nice multiyear payday off one good year; questionable for the Angels, getting a veteran pitcher with an extremely pedestrian career track record.
King Floch
On the plus side, this means the Orioles can’t sign him!
Orioles2024
@Floch
I don’t think the Orioles under Elias/Sig have any interest in paying sticker price. We’re trying to do what the Dodgers do with undervalued guys and turn them around.
I doubt Anderson was ever on our radar.
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Orioles, you are right. The Halos don’t have that luxury. They will have to “spend themselves” out of the crater they are in to a large extent..They gotta pay sticker price plus a slight premium..
King Floch
It’s honestly tough to say since we’ve never really seen Elias in Win-Now mode, but his draft behavior over the last 4 years does at least make it pretty clear that he doesn’t see top draft picks as the way the organization will acquire its pitching. That leaves trades, free agency, and the international talent pipeline as the most likely avenues. So far, most of his trades have brought back pitching prospects, but most of those are still working their way up the organizational ladder while the big league club has spots that need immediate filling. It will be pretty interesting to see how he goes about doing that.
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As a Dodger & Halo fan who watched him all year, I couldn’t be more excited. This is a perfect pick up for the Halos.
King Floch
Don’t get me wrong, I hope his success carries over to next year and the Angels don’t suck again so we can all watch Trout and Ohtani-San in the postseason, I just tend to take the under in cases like this.
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King, as a Halo fan it is just truly amazing to pick up someone who might be considered a “good starting pitcher.” We don’t see it often…So yeah we’re praying he can carry it over like you said. Obviously they did not want Heaney back and vice versa haha. That would have been interesting.
King Floch
Hopefully it works out for you guys. FWIW (i.e. nothing lol), I just recently signed Anderson to a 3 year deal in my current franchise on MLB The Show and he’s crushing it so far in year one. So you’ve got that going in your favor 😉
Now if the O’s can just snag a couple of solid FA SPs for ourselves…
dumper
OH BOY HERE COME THE ANGELS!!!
HalosHeavenJJ
Wow. Hard to believe.
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HHJJ!! This is great for us! It’s a fine day!!!
HalosHeavenJJ
Should be a good deal. Let’s say he regresses to his career ERA+ of 109 but does so pretty consistently. That’s easily worth 3/39. If we get anything close to his 22 numbers this is a steal.
OKBaseballFan
From Chavez Ravine to Disneyland
orange2001
From East LA to Newport Beach. Good move for Tyler.
FarhanFan22
anaheim is nothing like newport beach, even if they share a county
ruff kuntry
Thank you MLBTR for allowing me to change my pick in the FA contest. 4/4
jt33nym
Good deal for the Angels
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Solid signing for Angels. I previously posted that he would either accept the QO or get three years and $39 million. Simply choice, stay with the better team and get more guaranteed money. Anderson will partly but not completely regress downward, but I think Angels and their new owner will be happy with this signing.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I did think that if he got three years and 39 million it would be from the Dodgers.
You have to wonder if Anderson told the Dodgers that he would take a three year deal at 19 million for first year and ten million per year for second and third year, with zero trade protections or opt outs whether Dodgers would have considered it.
HalosHeavenJJ
One the one hand, I think the Dodgers would have accepted it.
However, I’d bet his agent told the Dodgers he had a three year deal on the table and gave them a shot to make a last/best offer. And they didn’t match or beat it.
Codeeg
Idk man I probably would have taken the QO, I understand tho wanting to get the best guarantee it’s just like if he is half as good next year he probably can top 2/20
hiflew
Horrible decision by Anderson. He should have taken the 1/20 qualifying offer and then gone into next year’s FA without draft compensation attached. Surely he would have gotten more than 2/20 next year.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Bro, he’s like, old. 33 is 66 in baseball (exaggerated.)
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He’s not even old enough to be Verlanders son yet..
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
I know I think it’s a steal honestly. But original poster acted like he could get a ton more as a 34 yr old even though he came of a fantastic year.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Lol @samuel Are you really comparing deGrom and Anderson haha. You are comparing him to Degrom when all I was talking about was how I thought Anderson was smart for cashing in on a three year deal, instead of risking not having the same season/injury plus being a 34 year old without a huge track record. Normal 34 year olds don’t usually get 3 year deals for a lot of money. deGrom has had many years of being the best pitcher in the freaking game. It’s not the same thing at all and you should know that. Your taking what I said about Anderson and half jokingly talked about how old he is (I’m older,) and you thought about comparing his situation to deGrom? Apples and oranges man.
YourDreamGM
Careful. Samuel will mute you if his lil brain suspects you are smarter than him.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@yourdreamgm
He muted me before I could even reply lol
Samuel
Marinararivera;
Good point!
Jacob deGrom is 34, has pitched 228 innings in 3 years, and fans are tripping over one another to get their team to sign him for triple what Anderson just got.
hiflew
He just went 15-5 with a 2.57 ERA at age 32. Do you think he would be much worse at age 33 while calling Dodger Stadium home? Even if he is not as good in 2023, pitching for the Dodgers hides a lot of flaws. He would easily have gotten more than 2/20 next year unless his arm blew up or something.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
@hiflew
I think its possible, anything could happen, who knows he could be unfortunate and get hurt bad. He could also go out there and put on a show for all I know. I personally would take the 3 year guarantee, I wouldn’t think it would be worth the risk for a few more million a year. my first post was mostly a very lame joke. I respect your opinion, you were nice enough to have a cordial conversation. I guess we will just have to see.
hiflew
I took no offense. I have had far worse said to me on these boards over the years. It was actually not that bad a joke, I was just more in a serious mood because I watched Anderson a lot as a Rockie. So I hope he does well. Especially since he is no longer in a bad uniform.
orange2001
Multi-year deals are always better for players than single year deals. It’s security.
What happens if Tyler reverts to being a mediocre pitcher or gets injured in 2023? Then, he’d be lucky to get a $5M offer for 2024 season.
This was a smart move for Tyler.
taco guy
13×3 for a 33 yr old coming off a career season with a completely loaded team. Really want to optimistic about this move, but the track record for player and team make it difficult to do so. Maybe he could be their #2 after Ohtani walks
I now expect a bunch of minor moves to finish out the off season. Add a journeyman RH 1B and hope season seats sell…..
Poster formerly known as . . .
Great addition. Congrats, Angels fans.
IjustloveBaseball
Angels quietly had a respectable staff in ’22, but it’s nice to see them add to the rotation regardless.
HalosHeavenJJ
Yes. I think Anderson takes over Thor’s spot. He gave us and Philly a combined 134 innings and had an ERA+ of 105 here.
Thing is Anderson costs $7 million less than Thor did.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Ijustlovebaseball, when I looked it up, I was surprised to see that they were more than respectable. The Angels starters were sixth in ERA and fWAR and ninth in FIP. They were smart to add Anderson to the mix, replacing Syndergaard.
The fears expressed by some that he had his best year by far at age 32 and might fall to earth are legitimate fears, but it’s entirely possible that he figured some things out in LA that he’ll carry forward with the Angels, and they get three years of him for less than the Mets paid for a year of Scherzer, who missed 60 days on the IL.
I don’t follow the Angels closely, but it looks like Anderson replaces Syndergaard, no?
HalosHeavenJJ
That should be the plan.
Ohtani, Sandoval, Anderson, Detmers, Suarez, Davidson would be the rotation as of today.
Anderson replaces Thor and Davidson replaces Lorenzen.
I’m not a big fan of Davidson and hope we upgrade there. But there are some interesting arms in AA that could force him out this year.
cookmeister 2
I’d rather throw Silseth out there than Davidson
HalosHeavenJJ
100% agreed.
Angels & NL West
I’m guessing Davidson holds down the rotation spot until Silseth, Canning, Bush, Bachman or someone else is ready to step in.
kargus
Literally found my login info to say this lol.. Silseth over Davidson.
carllafong
Tucker Davidson is not going to be in the rotation. The Angels will add another starter either by trade or free agency. They are in on the Japanese pitcher and they have even checked in on Verlander. They need another top guy in case they have to trade Ohtani in July, But adding another top guy gives them a real chance to compete. Ohtani, Verlander, Anderson, Sandoval, Detmers, Suarez becomes a deep rotation, Right now Anderson is their #2 and Sandoval is #3. Move Anderson to #3 and then they are in good shape and can pitch with anyone. They can trade or sign bullpen help and add productive bats that don’t break the bank.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Davidson is strange, he seems inconsistent. I remember when he was a brave he would seem like an ace one day, next day he’d look like a high school pitcher.
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Yeah Fink. Pretty spot on.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Big loss for the Dodgers. Anderson was a very consistent pitcher. High floor. Kept the Dodgers in all the games, including of course the last game of the season. Can certainly understand why he left. Think he will continue to have success if he can continue to locate and keep RHBs off-balance with the change up. If he can come up with a more effective pitch against LHBs he can be even better.
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Mlbdodgerfan, yeah it is definitely a loss for them. They gotta add someone else. Buehler is down. May is still not built up. Cat Man hopefully comes back 110%…Knowing the Dodgers they’ll get it done
mlbdodgerfan2015
Yeah, I’m sure they will address but the loss hurts. I would have preferred Anderson over Heaney. Gonsolin may regress a little bit. Urias should be good. We’ll see how Kershaw does and if he can avoid injuries and pitch like 2022. And May has the goods but can he regain his command? Probably, just needs to work off the rust so I would think a lot of optimism.
Given injury risks I’d think the Dodgers need to get a couple more starting pitchers in here. I think Miller and Pepiot still a year away perhaps less, but they can fill in during the season for injuries.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The elephant in the room is that Julio is a FA after 2023 and is repped by Boras. This summer is the time for 7-8 year 200 million extension. Kershaw and Gonsolin should be solid though injury risks. Miller, Grove and Pepiot are not ready. Dodgers need an Anderson quality pitcher, the question is whether they can get or create one for less.
goob
Giants fan here – Dodgers should just let Urias walk, he’s not that good and he’ll be way too expensive. They’ll find someone as good or better to replace him – no problem.
And don’t worry, the Giants would never try to sign him, because of you know – how not very good he is and stuff.
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Manny, they gotta add a guy like you said, and hopefully someone is ready to bring up after spring training. I wonder if someone has a good spring like Pepiot if they do bring em up..
msqboxer
He has set the market….if you’re a 4-5 starter with a 4.+ ERA your work 3x$13MM. he Smyly, Pineda and Quintana’s of the worlds are happy I bet.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Maybe if your a 4 ERA guy that had a great season by switching his approach and putting up a 2.5 ERA. Otherwise don’t count in it tootsie!
Plugnplay
Nice first get! You all have no idea what’s coming next. Good start thou.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Anderson’s ERA was 2.57.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Anderson is miles ahead of Smyly and Quintana in my book. I did not see Pineda pitch so I won’t base a comparison just on reading Baseball reference.
carllafong
15-5 with a sub 2.50 era is a four or five starter?
James Midway
Angels with an SP deal that is longer than a year. I like it.
bravesfan
Has one good year and parlays that into a stupid contract for the team. Such an angels move if I’ve ever seen one
Samuel
bravesfan;
The Angels GM came from the Braves.
It’s obvious he knows what he’s doing.
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
As a fellow braves fan, nah be quiet It’s a pretty smart deal. Also, you don’t have to be quiet.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would take Tyler Anderson at his deal over what Atlanta is paying Charlie Morton.
Some posters are talking about this as if it’s a massive overpay. I disagree. The Giants are paying 12 million per year for Wood and DeSclafani.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Much better than the Cardinals paying 44 million for four years of Steven Matz.
I don’t really understand WAR. But it’s not good for absolutely nothing. In 2022, Tyler Anderson was 4.3 WAR. Rodon and Scherzer were 5.4 and 5.2. His FIP based pitching WAR was 4.0, higher than Snell, Musgrove, and Gerrit Cole.
fangraphs.com/leaders/war?season=2022&wartype…
carllafong
Do you follow baseball? Since when is a $13M a year contract for a lefthanded starter who was 15-5 with a 2.50 bad? Diaz signed for $20M a year with the Mets and his career is all over the place. Three years at $13M doesn’t destroy the payroll even if his arm falls off on day one. Very smart signing for a pitcher with low mileage.
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Screw it, lets get Heaney back too!!!!
aragon
that’ll be great!
carllafong
Sober up, please.
Echopark
Saw all his starts for the Dodgers. Huge year. I love this signing for the Angels. Almost no downside. He’ll give you at worst solid mid rotation numbers. And maybe more than that for at least one of the years. And for what? Few million more than great set up guys are getting? For Dodgers, must have just been the number of years. Cause unlikely it was the money at3/39.
Echopark
To add: I think this pretty much confirms the Dodger strategy on SP this off season is big game hunting. Top of the market or trade.
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EchoPark, maybe…hadn’t thought of it that way..Who do you think?
Echopark
Verlander – But hard to say it will happen because there will be demand and someone might go three years – which Dodgers won’t and shouldn’t.
They need a righty 1 or 2 and May could – I think will be that – but can’t count on it next year if for no other reasons than innings limit and it is not likely all his command and control will come back right away.
Samuel
Echopark;
I don’t know if it’s starting pitching, but the Dodgers are surely maneuvering their payroll for some large contacts coming in.
Potch 2
Give up a draft pick to sign a 33 year old pitcher who has had one good season…? Not a move I would make, but I’m not getting paid the big money here…
Potch 2
And, in having his career year in 2022, lowered his career ERA 50(!) points from 4.62 to 4.12.
I’m not saying he can’t do it again, but history is definitely not on his or the Angels side here. The Rich Hill, Jamie Moyer and Charlie Morton’s of the world are the anomalies, not the usual.
carllafong
Please tell me you’re kidding. This team hasn’t been .500 in 8-seasons. This is a quality pitcher that can help them win. A second round pick that pans out is probably 4-5 seasons away. It’s not a first rounder, they can recover.
haighwiser
Won’t be surprised if Arte goes on a spending spree this off-season to make the team more attractive for future buyers. Next up, extend Ohtani please!
Samuel
haighwiser;
Artie hasn’t been making the moves for a few years now. GM Perry Minasian has.
One that understands the sport sees that readily.
carllafong
Ohtani is not signing anything until he sees the additions they make and who the new owner is.
vaderzim
My fear with this signing is that Tyler Anderson’s breakout year with the Dodgers was a fluke, and the Angel’s aren’t going to get anything productive out of him this next year other than innings.
On paper, and in retrospective, this is a good move though. Angels need pitching, and if Anderson continues from his performance last year, this is a great way to begin the offseason.
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Vaderzim, not just YOUR fear…EVERY Halo fans fear…But we are hoping for the opposite.
carllafong
An entire season pitching the way he did is not a fluke. he had injuries earlier in his career and now he’s healthy and mentally mature. He has low mileage on his arm– he’ll be fine.
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100%
angelsfan4life
Welcome to the Angels Joe Blanton 2.0. Right now the Angels are going to have 4 lefties in the starting rotation. With no 7th 8th or closer. Yes I know it’s a start. 13 million for a number 4 or 5 starter. That is dominated by lefties, doesn’t make much sense.
Samuel
angelsfan4life;
Angels had a good bullpen coming down the stretch last year. It’s why they dumped Raisel Iglesias. They’ll find a real closer…..might even have one on the roster now.
angelsfan4life
The Angels had 7 blown saves, just in Sandoval’s starts last season. That a lone makes it far from good. Chris Rodriguez, is the only one on the 40 man roster, I would trust. That is if he can stay healthy. The Angels had 2 starters with a sub 3 ERA. They were Ohtani and Sandoval. Detmers and Suarez both had a sub 4 ERA. Again 4 lefties in the starting rotation. Unless they plan on trading one or two of them, to fill other needs.
carllafong
The guy has better numbers than any pitcher on our team, so how does that equate to being a 4 or 5 pitcher?
angelsfan4life
Carllafong
Sandoval right now will be the Angels number 2 starter. Detmers in June had an ERA around 6, finished with an ERA under 4. Anderson pitching with the Mariners in the second half of the 2021 season had an ERA of almost 5. I don’t see him repeating his numbers from this past season. So that would put him behind Detmers in the rotation. And possibly behind Suarez as well.
disadvantage
Well if he’s Blanton 2.0, maybe he fails as a starter and becomes your 7th 8th or 9th inning guy!
wesleycoxx
It’s the Angels, even if they sign Jacob Degrom they are still not getting a playoff win. Just trade Ohtani before his backs get broken carrying this garbage team like Trout.
Johnny Bravo
wesleycoxx
how can you predict the future are you a tarot card reader or fortuneteller
what team do you root for You troll
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Of course I do not think that the Anderson acquisition pushes the Angels past the Astros and Mariners, but in today’s game, 12 million per year is reasonable for a solid number three starting pitcher. Good signing.
Buddyl51
Happy happy happy!
Let’s go Angels!!
Dbacks44
Hilarious. This guy before last year was a number 4 ro 5. He will go back to 4.8 era. Angels suck
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dback
Angels are dysfunctional and not that great, but “suck,” seems harsh, much better than say Bumgarner, Melancon and Ian Kennedy.
Mightymaicer14
Would of preferred a 3 year deal for Thor tbh
goob
@Mighty It’ll be interesting to see if Thor can progress any further in his post-surgery comeback but it’s been slow-going and right now he looks pretty ordinary.
I’d suggest that your preference is more of a leap of faith than Andersons deal is. We’ll see.
Mightymaicer14
I mean I would of have it to Thor based on age alone I think he was a good fit he did well for his first year back and I think a 3 year at around the same price tag as Anderson would of been perfect I mean I don’t think syndergard is getting prime syndergard money in FA so I would of taken my gamble on him 33 on a pitcher with not the greatest track record in the past sounds like a really big gamble to me after 1 really good year think zack cozart
possible donkey
Great pick up for the halos. I am a dodger fan and will miss this guy. All class. Surprised he rejected the QO for this and equally surprised the dodgers didn’t make the same offer. Worth every penny to me.
YourDreamGM
The dodgers not beating it says something. They know him best so don’t see extra value. Or going to reset the tax.
BlueSkies_LA
He went for 10m more $$. Not difficult to see the reasoning. Not sure what the Dodgers failing to make a similar offer says about the player or the team but if $13m per is too rich for their blood I’m thinking the Dodgers are going for a reset of the CBT.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Seems like a typical Angels move. Solving their biggest need with a one year wonder. If I were a betting man. I would say Anderson finishes with a .500 record with an era over 4.00 and the Angels miss the postseason again.
Datashark
BANK ON THAT!
angelsfan4life
The Angels biggest need is hitters not starting pitching. The Angels finished 25th in runs scored. 9th in team ERA. They need a closer.
disadvantage
You could be right on all three counts (and I’d say that’s a pretty safe bet) but correlation does not equal causation. So even if the Angels do miss the postseason with Anderson putting up those numbers, it will hardly be his fault.
YourDreamGM
About the contract I expected. Worth seeing if he can keep up this new improved version.
Datashark
Dodgers got the best out of him – he will reverse in an Angel uniform.
carllafong
Thank you for your exceptional analysis. Brilliant.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Only one year with an FIP under 4. Looks a bit of an overpay, assuming last year was an anomoly, unless I’m missing something.
carllafong
Overpay? Edwin Diaz got $20M a year on a long term deal as a reliever. Ohtani is getting $30M this season for the same numbers. Even if he pitches to a 3.50 era it’s still a steal.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
He’s only pitched under a 4.00 ERA once in his career. Ohtani and Diaz have much better career numbers.
prov356
I’d like to think this is the start of a productive offseason. But history suggests this was our big splash and the rest of the holes will be filled with bounceback hopefuls on one year charity deals.
I hope I’m wrong. Winter meetings are in a few weeks so hopefully we make some good moves. Infield, LF, catcher, bull pen, depth pieces around the diamond, and another starter or two.
Halo11Fan
We need bullpen depth. We need a guy who can plat LF/1b. We need Rendon and Walsh to b3 healthy. I don’t think we need a shortstop or catcher.
prov356
Who do you have at SS?
O’Hoppe is potentially good but Stassi needs to pull it together as our starter.
Halo11Fan
I think the Money can be spent better elsewhere. Our second best prospect is a shortstop. Soto might not be able to play, but we know squid can. I think it a luxury and not a necessity.
prov356
Squid’s defense is great but his bat is useless. If we stay in house, Rengifo is a better option at SS in my opinion.
Halo11Fan
The thing we disagree on is how much money the Angels have to spend and severity of need.
With Walsh’s lack of ability to hit LH pitchers, and coming off injury… With Adell being more suspect than prospect, they absolutely need a RH 1B/LF.
With the ineffectiveness of this pen, and with Nevin showing no skill how to manage the current pen, they absolutely need a couple more bullpen pieces.
And with the money left over, I doubt they can add a shortstop that is worthwhile.
prov356
Sounds like we agree. You know how I feel about Adell. I think Walsh can turn it around but we need LF for sure and infield and outfield depth along with bull pen pieces. I’d like to see a new short stop with Rengifo as the utility guy. It depends on the money Moreno is willing to spend. He might finally spend what he needs in order to make the team more attractive to buyers. He has no reason not to based on the projected selling price to be in the $3B territory.
Yay Sports
I remember when there was a rumor on this site he was coming to the Angels last year and everyone poo pooed on it. I believe I was the lone supporter
Halo11Fan
I remember being negative on him. He sure had a great year.
prov356
“It’ll now be incumbent upon the Angels to help Anderson sustain the 2022 version of himself even as he pitches into his mid-30s.”
Oh boy.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
The fact he signed so early tells me a couple things:
1. He has a crappy agent, or
2. He knew this was the best offer he was going to get, and pounced on it
Also losing your 2nd highest draft pick to sign this guy is suboptimal.
AvocadoChsBrgr8
Agree that this signing happening sooo quickly for a guy who had a career year is alarming and sends up red flags. The QO at 19 mil seemed like a beneficial deal for TA. Returning to LAD is clearly beneficial.
TA must really love LA or be deep down a humongous Angel fan.
I am sure his representation advised whole heartedly against signing so quickly
urnuts
Not sure how I feel about this one due more to being a LHP SP. Angels needed one more SP so I will lean towards a good move especially due to how much a #2 or 3 would cost. I see him as their 4 or 5. I would like to see Barria win the #6 spot. He is a sleeper and still very young with decent numbers.
To contend for a wild card they need to raise payroll to 230 million. Look at the payrolls of the teams in the late rounds this year.
Forget catching spend $ elsewhere. Carry 3 with Thiasis.
I would like a stronger bullpen and believe they need 2 late inning pitchers but if they can’t score what leads would they be defending. Take Chris Rodriguez and Canning and make them high leverage relief pitchers, similar to what STL has done with young hard throwing pitchers coming back from injuries.
Increase depth – 3 or 4 of this year’s starters need to be coming off the bench keeping our studs healthier. Fletcher and Rengifo for the infield, Adell in the OF.
So if they are at $187 million now, i’m sure it will drop with non tender players, and if they push budget to $230= $43 million to play with. Here is what I would do;
Sign
Segura for 2B 3 years $25 million
Swanson SS 5 years $90 million
Haniger 2 years for $25 million 3rd year option
Manaea 1 year $7 million. Still young and last year may me an aberration.
Plan B in we can’t sign the above,
Frazier 2b
Myers LF/1b
Profar LF
Nimmo if we don’t sign Swanson moves up to top to be our lead off hitter .
angelsfan4life
Segura I am fine with signing.
Swanson doesn’t make any sense. The Angels first round draft pick, tore it up in double A. Why block him? Hanover, has played in less games in the past 3 years combined. Than Trout played this past season. Brantley makes more sense than, Myers or Profar. As for pitching, they need to sure up the bullpen, more than another starter. Too many blown saves.
AngelsFan1972
Seems everyone is ignoring or forgetting about Soto.
I know it was an extremely small sample size for him last year, but he did not look overwhelmed at all. It did not seem like the game was too fast for him, unlike Adell, Moniak or even Marsh (at times) last year. I would hate to see the Angels go after any of the bigger SS and sign him to lengthy contract and Soto somehow gets lost in the system.
I feel Soto played well enough to earn a spring training invite, with a legit opportunity to play for significant playing time next year.
urnuts
I like what I saw in Soto but don’t want to put all our eggs in his basket. In spring if he shows the same maybe trade Rengifo for bullpen help while his value is high.
Halo11Fan
We are not, we are putting or eggs in three baskets. A superior defender in Vazquez, a rookie who we know can handle the position defensively who looked great offensively, Soto, And a guy I personally don’t think is very good and but Angel fans love him, Rengifo.
We have paid big money for a second baseman, Fletcher, it would be foolish to spend more.
We need help for Walsh/Adell.. We need help in the pen. Everything else is a luxury. The Angels have to take care of needs. I don’t trust Perry to do that. He’s never done that before, but the third time is the charm.
urnuts
We are in win now and our future SS is a couple of years out. If he is legit in 3 years he replaces Segura at 2b for a couple of years. Think Dodgers Lux’s.
AvocadoChsBrgr8
I love “if I were GM conversations”!!!!
Here’s my response
Segura: not needed – Fletcher is signed long term and just as good imho if not better fit. Just needs to play 2nd base… he’s not an everyday SS. Rengifo has earned every day AB’s at the Major League level and Angels are in great spot if he’s your utility INF.
Swanson: YES in a heartbeat. Angels biggest need imho is everyday SS. Don’t need an elite SS, just someone who can handle defensively and hit .250. Please!!! I honestly had no issues with the value Iglesias or Vasquez provided… just wish Vasquez could hit more than .180
Haniger: YES!!!! anybody that prevents Adell from playing is a positive lmao… I am done with Adell. How can someone so athletic be so unbelievably awkward and horrible defensively? God he makes Upton look like a Gold Glover… I don’t care if one day Jo hits 25 HR’s… He can’t field. Can’t make contact. Wish him all the best with another team. You know who could play LF for cheap who’s an upgrade? Brandon Marsh 🙂
Manaea: Solid Major League rotation guy. (Ceiling of a 2-3 at best) no way in the world he’s making 7mil a season. try at least double that if not more. TA at 13 million/year is huge value. Manaea will absolutely make more, and should, or his agent needs to be fired.
urnuts
I agree Manaea is an excellent SP but coming off a -.9 WAR and ERA of 4.96 who was lit up in the playoffs. His lifetime ERA in a pitchers park is 4.06. He may want to re-establish value. I believe 10 million is what he will receive .
I believe the Angels depth is a big issue as the bench never delivers in the long run. This is why I would like to see Fletcher ( who has health issues yearly) and Rengifo playing 120 games each. Filling in at 3b, SS, 2b, and the OF. Figgins 2.0
Segura is a plus defender at 2b , career 285 hitter with decent speed , 32 now , and would be an upgrade that fits our budget.
angelsfan4life
Marsh struck out at a slightly higher rate than Adell. Brantley makes more sense than Haniger. Over the past 4 seasons, he has played in less games than Rendon. Manea made more sense than the guy they just signed. If the Angels sign or trade for another starting pitcher, they need a right handed. Manea would make 5 lefties with Ohtani the only right handed pitcher.
TradeAcuna
This is the most Angels type of move. Acquire historically bad or overachieving pitchers having one or two good seasons, then it backfires in their face and they wonder why they can’t get into the playoffs.
This is also the most Dodgers type of move. Reap the benefits of a nobody suddenly turning good, then let them go only to not regret it because said player once again underperformed with a different team.
AngelsFan1972
Perry Minasian: Thank you, more please.
I can not understand all of the negativity. The free agents signings have just begun. MLB is not like the NBA where 75% of the signing are done in just a few days. No one knows or expects much from the Angels this off season. In the top 50 free agent predictions only one person tabbed the Angels to sign any pitching, and the was Clevinger on a 1 year deal.
Anderson is a good pick up and a good start this off season.
Do they need more?….YES How ’bout we see what happens before we jump ship people.
angelsfan4life
My biggest issue, that makes 4 left handed starters in the Angels rotation. All 4 are hit the corners relying on changing speeds. Sandoval is the only one, who has a fastball that will reach 95. Unless they plan on flipping one of them, for fill another need. It doesn’t make much sense.
AngelsFan1972
Angelsfan4life – Understood
But this is just the start of the off season. How about we all see what develops? It is like little kids complaining that they didn’t get what they wanted for Christmas on November 15th!
angelsfan4life
Angelsfan1972- Unless they are flipping Detmers and or Suarez to fill other needs. Or get a front line starter, to me this move doesn’t improve the team. Unlike a lot of fans, I put the biggest Angels need as a closer. Second improve the lineup. I had starting pitching as the last need. Now with a healthy Rendon on Walsh. That will help. But that doesn’t drastically change them from 25th in runs scored, to a team with a top team lineup.
AngelsFan1972
Angelsfan4life – I agree it doesn’t move the needle. I am hopeful this could lead to other things via trades.
My point was all the negativity is not necessary this early in the off season.
aragon
At the worst, he will eat up lots of innings and give some rest to the bullpen. Any more production out of him is a plus.
hossmandu
All that matters with these types of guys (that live in the 88-93 avg mph range) is that there is sufficient difference between their fastball and their off-speed stuff. In 2022 according to Statcast:
Pitcher/FB%/FBavgVelo/Offspd%/OffspdAvgVelo/VeloDifference
Sandoval/37%/93.2mph/63%/84.1mph/9.1mph
Detmers/45%/93.2mph/55%/81.4mph/11.8mph
Anderson/67%/88.9mph/33%/78.3mph/10.6mph
Suarez/43%/92.5mph/57%/81.2mph/11.3mph
AvocadoChsBrgr8
Here’s my take on this move…
There is clearly some infatuation between either Minasian towards Anderson or Anderson towards the Angels. Last offseason the Angels were very close to signing TA before ending up with LAD. This signing happened soooo quickly into the offseason, are the Angels, or LA area where TA wants to be??? Why didn’t he entertain other offers? Alarming thought, why didn’t the LAD match or make effort to bring him back? LAD, to me need rotation stability with all there current question marks in the rotation…
I always think its a bad sign that the former team doesn’t want a “successful” player to return… If LAD offer was close to LAA you have believe he would have returned to LAD 1000%. Hell he even rejected the QO at 19 mil. Strange…
But now that he’s an Angel, I actually love love the move. Here’s why
1) Angels did not wait to add veteran “productive” arm. Although I think the Angels truly need an Ace arm, they did not put all there eggs into waiting for that top of rotation guy. They acted quickly. Well played. Although recent success bias is in play… at the very least I am confident he can minimum provide consistent innings and fills nicely into a 3-4 spot in a rotation.
2) Financially can be viewed as a huge value at 13mil/year… If you look at it from a $/WAR perspective, very savvy attainable “value per dollar spent” move. A couple years ago, the average dollar spent per WAR gained sat around $8mil / WAR, which I am sure the dollar spent per WAR has only gone up as AAV of salaries goes up each year. At 13mil/yr, if TA can muster a 2.0 WAR season, its financially a net positive value for the money you’ve spent. Last season, an amazing season, TA was a 4.0 WAR player. In 2021, he was a 2.1 WAR player with a 4.53 ERA and 4.21 xERA… do I expect him to repeat 2022? absolutely not. Do I think he can be somewhere in between 4.53 ERA and 2.57ERA and give at least 2 WAR? I like the chances for sure!!!!
3) Even though his last season was a complete outlier and standout performance from career, he did it over the course of the full season from start to finish, month to month… he had only one single month with an ERA above 3.00, every single month otherwise was at 3.00ERA or below… it was consistency ALL SEASON LONG.. Mentions completely changing grip on Change. however on the negative side, his HR/9 and HR/FB were cut in half and his LOB% was 10% higher than his avg. Sustainable? or is huge regression coming?
4) Even though he was with LAD, I don’t believe the LAD offense reflects on TA’s success on the mound… I don’t believe the LAD are leaps and bounds greater defensively than the LAA… and I don’t believe Will Smith and Austin Barnes are pitching whispers when compared to LAA backstops… HOWEVER, I am absolutely concerned about the difference in coaching staffs and the LAA ability to get the most out of their players… There is an alarming track record of underperformance and unfulfilled potential that is becoming a trend with the LAA
Overall, I really like the move. Is this the move that turns the franchise around? No absolutely not. Is there risk TA’s performance was a one-hit wonder and Angels just made a 3 year mistake? Maybe.
I think the value end of this deal is certainly attainable when compared to the risk/price of this contract. Do I believe TA will carry his weight to inching the Angels closer to a playoff team? Absolutely. I am excited to see how TA does with the Angels.
Please please please LAA, find an everyday SS!!!! I am done with Adell. Find a RH platoon to pair with Walsh.
Baseball gods please give me 120+ games of a healthy Rendon!!!
AngelsFan1972
Avacado – I applaud your take! Positives and negatives….yet in the end it is let’s see how this all plays out. That is my take in all this as well.
crazybaseballgal
Good signing by the Angels
whyhayzee
It’s funny how the Angels have two of the best players in all of baseball but they don’t know what they’re doing.
Apparently, they’re not totally clueless.
erickohli
$13 mil per isn’t bad for an all star. They have had worse signings in the past than this.
JoeBrady
Now that I’ve had a chance to think about it, I’m not really liking it, though I don’t hate it. Anderson has never had an ERA of less than 4.37 after his rookie year (albeit a few years in CO). And he benefited from a better than expected BABIP, LOB%, and HR/FB. I’m not buying into someone morphing from a 100 ERA+ to 163. at age 32.
$13M is relatively cheap, but I’m seeing regression in his future.
RobM
A question that deserves to be asked. The Dodgers know him better than anyone, but why did they pass? They were responsible for helping his breakout. They certainly could use and afford Anderson. They opted not to. Are they concerned that his season was more mirage than reality and are deciding the money is better spent elsewhere? That seems to be the case.
BenBenBen
“It’s the first multi-year contract of Anderson’s career, and, more surprising, the first multi-year contract the Angels have given out to a free-agent starting pitcher since signing Joe Blanton ten years and three general managers ago”
This isn’t quite right.
“It’s the first multi-year contract of Anderson’s career, and more surprisingly, the first multi-year contract the Angels have given out to a free-agent starting pitcher since signing Joe Blanton ten years and three general managers ago.”
mikesciosciastragicillness
This a big loss for the Bums…great acquisition for the Halos. He had a tremendous season last season. If he could be a 12 game winner for the Halos it would be better than that grease fire they’ve had.
Cohn Joppolella
He and Touki will be a 1-2 punch.
CyrusZuo
This is such an Angels deal.
BUY HIGH!
He has exactly 1 good year in 7 seasons, lets pay as though that is what he will be going forward.
I think this has a high probability to create a ton of buyers remorse.
Why do the Angels always bet big on players who just had their career year?
Halo11Fan
When the Angels buy high, they get ripped.
When the Angels buy a consistent star player, they get ripped.
When the Angels buy low, the get ripped.
When the Angels do nothing, they get ripped.
it’s tiring.
GoogleMe
$13 million per year is hardly a buy high move. This is relatively tame for a FA starting pitcher. There are obvious risks involved in signing a guy like Anderson,, but it not like it is a bank breaking move. There are much better examples out there of buy high moves. It is not like they are giving him 20M+ for 1 good year, which there are plenty of examples of.
CyrusZuo
They are giving him $39M for 1 good year, not 20M, you are correct.
I understand there are plenty of examples, and there are plenty of examples like the Dodgers, who could have done the same deal I’m sure, but looking at the advanced stats and history chose not to.
JackStrawb
@CyrusZuo The problem w the Angels in this regard is they don’t seem to be able to build on prior success.
They need to pay a pitching coach from the Rays, Dodgers, or Astros whatever it takes. It’s amazing how teams with $150m+ payrolls will continually go cheap on the FO talent that’s infinitely more valuable than a $5m backup MI or 4th OFer.
JackStrawb
As guys go off the board or accept QO’s, do the Mets do know they need a pitching staff?
Every starter on hand has significant limitations and projects to be worse in 2023. Scherzer was brilliant, but in only 23 starts. Turning 38, he projects to about 125 innings next season, and he’s barely even a 6-inning starter at this stage who collapsed at the finish line. Again, unfortunately.
Carrasco, going on 36, is 5 inning pitcher now who projects to around 22 league average starts in 2023.
Peterson gave the Mets 19 league average starts averaging 4-1/2 innings, and Megill, injured, totaled 47 innings in 9 starts and 6 relief appearances. His career ERA is 4.73, a FIP of 4.37, but giving up 1.7 HR per 9. Plus, the more the Mets lean on Peterson, Megill, and Lucchesi in the currently empty bullpen, the more starts they’ll need.
In sum, Scherzer’s the only starting pitcher on hand who’s a good bet to average more than 5 innings per start. I’d spare you my irritation and post this on a Mets page here but since they’re not making moves…
prov356
Moreno must have done something to really anger the city of Anaheim:
si.com/mlb/angels/news/angels-news-arte-moreno-cou…