The Orioles enter the offseason fresh off their first winning season since 2016. Baltimore’s surprisingly competitive year wasn’t enough to earn them the longshot playoff bid with which they flirted for a couple months, but they did snap a streak of four consecutive last place finishes during 162-game seasons.
For the first time in a while, the O’s head into the winter looking to build out a promising big league roster. Much of that lifting figures to be on the pitching staff, as Baltimore has broken in a number of players on an increasingly strong position player core. The starting rotation is the big question mark, as it was comprised mainly of unproven hurlers. The Orioles finished 21st in rotation ERA (4.35), and while the group was better at preventing runs in the second half of the season, it never featured impact high-strikeout arms.
Orioles general manager Mike Elias and his front office will surely add to that group this offseason, and the expected arrival of top prospect Grayson Rodriguez early next year will add a high-octane internal arm to the mix. Before considering upgrades, however, the Orioles will have to decide whether to retain their 2022 innings leader. Baltimore holds an $11MM option over right-hander Jordan Lyles. That comes with a $1MM buyout, leaving Elias and his staff with a net $10MM decision.
Lyles agreed to terms on a $7MM guarantee with the O’s in the waning seconds before last offseason’s lockout, finalizing the contract after the work stoppage. It was a somewhat surprising move by Baltimore, with Lyles coming off successive ERA’s of 7.02 and 5.15 during his two seasons with the Rangers. The O’s clearly valued his capacity to soak up innings at the back of a rotation, however, and he stepped back into that role in Baltimore.
The right-hander took all 32 starts through the rotation at Camden Yards, the only pitcher on the team to start more than 23 games. He tossed 179 innings, ranking 29th in the majors in that category. Lyles’ rate stats still weren’t great, but they did mark an improvement over his work in Texas. He posted a 4.42 ERA, striking out a below-average 18.6% of batters faced but only walking 6.7% of opponents. Home run issues that had plagued him in Arlington weren’t nearly as problematic in Baltimore.
It was presumably exactly the kind of performance the Orioles had hoped they’d receive when signing Lyles. The 4.42 ERA is his second-lowest mark over parts of 12 MLB seasons, while he just narrowly missed last year’s career high of 180 innings. A number of Baltimore’s younger pitchers raved throughout the season about Lyles’ clubhouse leadership. It’d have been hard for Elias and company to reasonably expect more from Lyles than what he seemingly provided both on the field and in the locker room.
Between those contributions and Baltimore’s need for rotation help, one can make a reasonable argument for keeping Lyles around. He’d be due a fairly modest raise over this year’s salary, but Elias has already indicated the Orioles plan to increase payroll. The GM pointed at an arbitration class that includes Anthony Santander, Cedric Mullins and Austin Hays as part of that spending hike, but there’ll still be a ton of room on next year’s books. Aside from the Lyles buyout, the only guaranteed commitment the O’s have for 2023 is a $2.975MM salary for John Means. Tendering contracts to all their arbitration-eligible players would add roughly $22.5MM, according to projections from MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz. That should still leave a lot of spending room for a team that, in Elias’ words, should “significantly escalate” payroll over this year’s roughly $44MM Opening Day mark.
Of course, one could argue for the O’s to use the extra $10MM to make a run at a more impactful starter than Lyles. Baltimore will enter next year with more realistic hopes at competing for a playoff spot than they did this past season. While Lyles did provide needed stability, his improved rate stats were still worse than average. The league average starter this year posted a 4.05 ERA with a 21.6% strikeout percentage, both a fair bit better than Lyles’ respective marks. He allowed hard contact at a higher-than-average clip for a fourth straight year.
Lyles also saw slight regression in his raw stuff. He lost a tick on his average fastball, which sat at 91.8 MPH after averaging 93 MPH last year. His breaking ball dipped over three ticks, from 83.3 MPH to 80 MPH. His swing-and-miss rates took a corresponding minor step back.
Free agency offers a number of mid-tier starting pitchers. Jameson Taillon, Mike Clevinger and Noah Syndergaard have all shown well in the past but didn’t post particularly impressive 2022 campaigns. Ross Stripling, José Quintana, Taijuan Walker (who’ll surely decline a $6MM player option with the Mets) and Michael Wacha fared well this year despite subpar strikeout rates, but each had an average or worse ’21 season. Johnny Cueto and Corey Kluber are former stars who each had productive seasons but will be limited to short-term deals based on their ages. There’d be various options for the Orioles to consider if they want to replace Lyles while signing a starter to a contract with an average annual value in the $10MM range, but most of that group would require a multi-year commitment. Whether to retain Lyles is the first major call Elias and his staff will have to make this winter, with option decisions required within five days of the end of the World Series.
mbreslow77
Keep him
fre5hwind
Why should they he’s getting old and he isn’t as good as he seems Orioles got better pitcher than him.
pt57
They can both upgrade and keep him. He’s not great, but he doesn’t miss starts. You need 7 or 8 starters to get through the year.
User 401527550
Just because someone can start every five days doesn’t mean they should.
stymeedone
Look up the number of pitchers that threw 340 innings over the last two years. How many started 60 games? Its a real short list. Verlander, Scherzer, DeGrom, Bauer, Kershaw. None of them. Let me rephrase your statement. If you have someone who is capable of starting every five days, you absolutely should. It it one of the rarest commodities in baseball today. Reliability has value. It saves the bullpen, allowing rest, and better performance because of it. Lyles is not an ace by any means, but innings, reliable innings, is extremely valuable.
Arnold Ziffel
Dump him, he had a lucky year, usually he is lousy.
Arnold Ziffel
He sucks, dump him. Usually worst starter in league, got lucky this year
DarkSide830
Lyles sucks, end of story.
BeansforJesus
He’s the anti-Buxton and anti-mondesi to a lesser extent (good, but rarely available). Lyles is not good, but always available.
His career really proves that one of the best attributes a player can have is being available.
Edp007
Looking forward to a healthy Means. Can make a world of difference.
Has Cy talent.
Was my cy young pick pre season , will be consistent candidate if healthy imo
Highest IQ
Lyles shouldn’t even be in the bigs. Why teams keep giving him a chance is beyond me. He gets lucky and is somewhat decent rarely.
Rsox
Because he can give you innings at the back of the rotation. Not every starter in every rotation can be a Justin Verlander or a Clayton Kershaw. Plenty of value in a guy who can take the ball every fifth day and give you 180 innings.
That said, $11 million seems high for a 5th starter but given the way salaries are going its not that bad.
User 401527550
No one confused him for Verlander or Kershaw. If you want your team goal to get through games and not win them then this is a great approach.
BeansforJesus
Are you pitching 32 starts?
Yeah, he sucks. But, when you need innings at the backend for a rebuilding team, he’s there. He’s the prototypical “average player”. He always available to give you exactly what you expect…nothing much.
gogoblue
It’s easy decision to make for O’s, I think. Lyles is nothing special. Decline his option and let him go. Lyles is 4 at best and O’s need veteran SP who is 2 or 3. There are plenty of SPs on this year’s FA market who are upgrades over Lyles…….
stymeedone
The one thing Lyles does well is throw innings. As a 4 or 5 starter, he is extremely valuable to a team who will be limiting the innings of their young pitchers. Bullpens wear down if used too much. Not many pitchers made every start in 2022. His reliability allows the manager and pitching coach to schedule their bullpen work better, allowing rest. He may not be a great pitcher, but his steadiness makes every one else better.
fre5hwind
He success in the second half was purely luck he isn’t a Cy Young or any decent pitcher just throw him to the curb and decline his option.
kellin
Nobody has even remotely called him a cy young pitcher. The only reason you keep him is because he’s a steady innings eater of about 4.5 ERA. That’s really -not- terrible for a 4th or 5th starter. What -is- terrible is the price tag associated with him. Unless the value of a 4th or 5th starter has jumped that much, $11 million is too much to pay him for one season. Buy him out and see if he’ll take $6 million on a new contract.
pt57
Somebody will give him more than $6 million just to soak up innings.
C Yards Jeff
Yep, the stats don’t justify $11 mil. Good news is is that Lyle’s agent knows this and so does every GM, at least every savvy analytic GM, in MLB knows this too. So take the 1 mil. Then take the Os offer for 23 and enjoy another year of lower than usual era and homer totals courtesy of the friendly “Waltimore” confines.
Waymann
I’m wondering if maybe they try to restructure into another 1yr + team option where O’s benefits from lower AAV and Lyles gets more guaranteed overall. Upside for O’s would be an extra year of control if he replicates or improves…$8-9M for 1.0 WAR isn’t a horrendous overpay especially accounting for “fit” in the clubhouse.
Lyles isn’t overly old either for how well-traveled he’s been. Perhaps he has a Charlie Morton-style career arc where he’s replacement-level for a good stretch before he finally “gets it” starting in his 30’s.
DBH1969
As a Red Sox fan I probably shouldn’t be looking to help the O’s, but here it goes anyway…
If you’re just looking for an innings eater and don’t care about winning that game, bank the 10mils and sign the guy selling popcorn in the stands to league min. If his arm blows out, there’s that woman flipping burgers at the choke an puke stand. If she is as bad as Lyle, sign the cop guarding the club house. If somebody tries to steal a base, he can arrest the player committing the crime.
All this can be had for league-minimum. Or you could try to sign a mid level dude for 7.or 8 mils.
You’re either going to compete or not.
choward2984
As an O’s fan, I probably shouldn’t be looking to help the Red Sox, but here goes anyway…
You should’ve not wasted your time writing this comment.
Jon M
Don’t worry, the O’s front office won’t be reading your comment.
JoeBrady
I’m not following the logic. He’s like a #4 or #5 SP.. As long as you need 5 SPs, then he probably has a job. Just because he isn’t a #1 doesn’t mean he stinks.
User 401527550
His career stats and ability is what makes him stink.
CHS O'sFan
I think the O’s had to pay both the “bad team” and “small ballpark” tax to get Lyles to sign a 1 year deal in the first place. Ironically I think if the Orioles were a 95 loss team this year, I think you pick up his option to keep his stability around. But if you expect to compete next season, you need to fill his rotation spot with someone that can offer you a higher ceiling while their floor probably isn’t that much lower to begin with. He served his role admirably this season but if the team wants to compete for a playoff spot, they can’t have Jordan Lyles in the opening day rotation.
gogoblue
Exactly my thoughts. Lyles is perfect for non-contending clubs as innings eater and veteran presence. However, the O’s are now past that stage after this season. They are looking to win in 2023, and they now need veteran SP with proven track record. They need 2 or 3. Lyles is 4 at best (in non contending club) and probably long reliever/spot starter in contending club. O’s should aim higher in this year’s FA market….
BStrowman7
Lyles did his job. There were too many young question marks that hadn’t thrown enough innings. FF to this year and the O’s have 7 starters already without him.
Kremer, Means (at some point), G-Rod, Wells, Bradish, Voth, and Watkins.
That’s 7 guys who could cover our innings needed. DL hall potentially also if he’s not a multi-inning weapon as a reliever.
The O’s need a difference making starter now. I’d say goodbye and thank you for Lyles because he was perfect for the 2022 situation.
jk
With a young rotation you need guys like this. Team/ player options are often declined. I think they reup him at the same price as 22.
Texas Outlaw
Rework his contract to two years 14 and enjoy him as an inning eating number 5.
RutschDisciple
The Red Sox finished last place in 2020 update pls.
Samuel
The Orioles are now one of the best organizations in MLB.
They know what they can get of Lyles. What they’re doing now is having the acquisition staff and coaching staff reviewing analytics and video of pitchers to determine the best candidates to bring in – via free agency or trades.
A team usually needs 8 quality starters to get through a season. Their 5 returning starters – Kremer, Bradish. Voth, and Watkins all finished strong; Wells was terrific but hit the IL. Means will be back mid-season. As the article notes, Rodriguez will be up at some point. Hall will probably start off as a reliever, but could be moved into the rotation during the year…and I have hopes they can square away Zimmermann.
All the above leads me to think they’ll look to bring in one more solid starting veteran pitcher rather than Lyles (as the article suggests as a possibility). If the cost in salary and players in trade is too high this offseason, I think they’ll hold off until the season is underway. The O’s can see how their starters are doing, and if a quality starter is made available – as Luis Castillo was this year – the O’s have a depth of young players that can be used in trade.
Samuel
To add……
They may use one or two of their current starting pitchers as a part of a package in trade for an established TOR pitcher.
Look for a team that needs to get younger and dump some salary – like the White Sox….maybe the Marlins.
Remember, not only do the O’s have a great pitching coach staff, they run out a superior D to support their pitchers.
RutschDisciple
I would love to see them put the money towards a higher-end starter, Chris Bassit would be my pick given the shifted dimensions at Camden Yards and his track record. The O’s have a glut of talent nearing the majors as well so I wouldn’t be surprised if they talk to the Marlins about their controllable young starters.
User 401527550
I don’t think the Orioles are willing to give up draft picks to sign a qualifying offer free agent at this point.
OilCanLloyd
Not sure the Jays offer Stripling a QO.. Jays kinda made their bed with Berrios… and Kikuchi. The bull pen in Toronto is the priority.
User 401527550
Why wouldn’t they want the draft pick compensation. I good starting pitcher will not accept the qualifying offer. They are in too much in need.
greatgame 2
There are a number of “older” pitchers who could be a good club house presence and be “innings eaters” for $1 M instead of a ridiculous $11M.
Mystery Team
A $1M veteran starting pitcher does not exist. I would suggest that a number 5 pitcher with a 4.50 ERA that can pitch 170 innings for $11M is not bad these days. The Braves gave Morton $20M and how did he look this last season and in his playoff start?
riffraff
If he was a FA I do not see anyone offering him more than $6MM one a 1yr deal. That makes the question – is it worth it to pay $4MM to keep him away from your competitors? Nope.. give him the buyout – offer him 5MM and if he walks replace him with different scrubs.
LordD99
Depends on price.
Dorothy_Mantooth
This is an easy decision. Buy him out and move on. He’s not worth a net $10M even with his league average performance in 2022. They can spend their money much wiser than this.
AHH-Rox
Maybe he’s developed since I watched him with the Rockies, but Lyles strikes me as a guy best suited for a piggyback role or as a bulk pitcher behind an opener.
His typical start for the Rockies would consist of about 4 pretty good innings, followed by giving up a bunch of runs in the 5th or the 6th.
BashBroJoe
I probably watched 20 of Lyles starts this year. He was fine. Decline his option. Try to sign him back at 5m and throw him in the back of the rotation. Kremer and others spoke out about how helpful he was to their development. Seems to be liked. Orioles have a really good defense that helps him out. Lyles is a fine 5th starter.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
In 12 years Lyle has a cumulative -1.2 WAR and has made 35mil. No way on earth Baltimore picks up that option but he would likely be welcomed back for around 5mil.
Poster formerly known as . . .
“Home run issues that had plagued him in Arlington weren’t nearly as problematic in Baltimore.”
This is not shocking. Globe Life Field is one of the easier parks to homer in, while Camden Yards now has the Great Wall of Baltimore.
As BashBroJoe says, they should go for the buyout and then try to sign him back for less than the $11M.
rhswanzey
Detroit also looked poised to take the next step one year ago. Then, their entire starting rotation – including several great pitching prospects – got injured. Their season was over months ago.
You keep Lyles because you’re breaking in a lot of young pitching, and young pitching is high upside/higher variance. You need some floor baked into that plan, or the season is usually going to be over by the trade deadline. He can always be moved to the bullpen later on.
Draven_X_23
He gave the Orioles 13 Quality Starts (tied for 47th in baseball) out of his 32 starts. Not a great rate but I think he was a solid innings eater. He got $8 mil overall for that. Let him go and see if he will resign for the same. A couple mil to use on the arbitration class.
O’s need to sign 2 starters either way.
tonypro7
While I like Jordan Lyles and appreciate his contributions this past season, the O’s should move on. There isn’t a truly contending team in the AL that would slot him in their rotation every 5th day. He served his purpose in 2022.
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Mickey Jannis the knuckle-baller isn’t gonna get another look? I miss that guy.
Dick Fitzwell 2
I believe this offseason is the reason why the O’s moved the left field wall back. They are going to try to lure one or two quality starters to Baltimore …. as well as a position player or two.
Rsox
I think Kluber would be a decent addition/mentor to the young pitchers for the Orioles
panj341
If you plan on being a contender next year I would say No. He is a kind of a guy the Pirates or Reds would want to eat innings.
Domingo111
He is nice to have as a 5th to 7th starter but I think he really benefited from the park change and more dead ball. The park will stay but the ball probably will get a little hotter again (Already did in the second half) and he probably is like a high 4s era and 1 WAR pitcher at best.
That’s ok as a 5th or ideally 6th starter as guys will get hurt and having a guy giving you 5 innings of 3 run ball (5 ERA) and thus a chance to win if the offense clicks is nice but 10 mil is to much for that.
But if you can buy out the contract and maybe resign him for 1 or 2 mil that would be fine, you hope he is your 6th guy instead of your 5th guy but as I said guys will get hurt and then you need innings.
Domingo111
Btw I think moving the wall back was a fantastic decision. Early in the season some opponents cried foul and the park really was very pitcher friendly but as the weather heated up it wasn’t as bad anymore.
I think that will continue, park will play very dead the first 6 weeks of the season but from late may on it will play pretty neutral.
That is better than before when it played ok the first 6 weeks and then became a total launching pad.
I think ideally you have a rather neutral park over the year average, neither an extreme hitters nor pitchers park is good, the former just wears out your pitching and the latter destroys hitters confidence.
No poIitics
Signing Lyles would be a typical move the old Orioles would do. They shouldn’t waste their money on a stop gap. If they are serious about contending again and mean what they say that they will spend, take that money they would have spent to retain Lyles and invest in an actual front end starter. They got the best out of Lyles this past season and he’s not likely to repeat that success with declining stuff and as he ages. Cut bait and consider yourself lucky last season.
Thornton Mellon
Let him go and see if he’ll come back cheaper as the 5th starter if they really want or need him but only after signing two above average starters first.
If the Orioles now indeed see themselves as a winning team, they will cut below average players and develop/sign above average players.
Means coming back anytime in 2023 and pitching effectively should be treated as a bonus, but plan for that not to happen. Need to fill that rotation slot.
stymeedone
Go thru the list of pitchers that topped 340 innings over the last two years. Its a short list. So when you come to your question, let me rephrase it. If you have someone who can start every five days, you absolutely should. This is because there is a shortage of pitchers who are capable of starting every five days. Verlander didnt do it. Scherzer, DeGrom, Kershaw, Rodon, Bauer. Nope. The hardest thing to find is a starting pitcher who can be relied upon to take the ball every fifth day. Lyles is one of them.