The Royals’ organizational shake-up continues. Shortly after wrapping up a 69-93 season, Kansas City announced that manager Mike Matheny and pitching coach Cal Eldred will not return in 2023. The Royals had exercised a 2023 club option on Matheny’s services in Spring Training, but he’ll be relieved of his duties a season early.
The news comes a few weeks after the Royals made a change atop the front office. President of baseball operations Dayton Moore was dismissed in late September, with general manager J.J. Picollo tasked to lead baseball operations. Picollo’s first major decision is to make a leadership change in the clubhouse, and the Royals will now turn their attention towards finding a new skipper.
Matheny’s dismissal closes the books on his three-year managerial tenure. Originally brought to the K.C. organization over the 2018-19 offseason as a special assistant, Matheny was almost immediately rumored as a likely successor to then-manager Ned Yost. When Yost stepped aside at the end of the 2019 season, the Royals indeed tabbed Matheny to return to the top of the dugout steps. The former big league catcher had spent six-plus years managing the Cardinals between 2012-18, and he obviously impressed the Royals front office during his season as a special assistant.
It wasn’t a particularly imposing roster, with Matheny taking over as the team was firmly amidst a rebuild. Kansas City had lost over 100 games in each of the preceding two years, so it wasn’t especially surprising they stumbled to a 26-34 mark during the abbreviated 2020 campaign. The following offseason, the Royals added Carlos Santana, Andrew Benintendi and Mike Minor in an effort to be more competitive. They were, to some extent, finishing with a 74-88 record that came with their highest win percentage (45.7%) since 2017.
Still, the improvements weren’t enough to make the Royals full-fledged contenders. After a 15-7 showing in April, they finished .500 or below in every ensuing month. Kansas City was surprisingly quiet last winter. The Royals reunited with Zack Greinke on a $13MM contract and shipped out the underperforming Minor for reliever Amir Garrett. Otherwise, Kansas City was counting on internal improvements paired with the fruits of a burgeoning farm system to get back above .500 for the first time since winning the World Series in 2015.
The Royals carried top prospect Bobby Witt Jr. on the Opening Day roster. Within a couple months, MJ Melendez and Vinnie Pasquantino would join him. All three have gotten off to solid starts, with Witt and Pasquantino looking like above-average regulars from the outset. The team’s overall performance, though, went in the wrong direction. They won nine fewer games than they had in 2021, finishing with the fifth-worst record in the majors. Benintendi and longtime franchise cornerstone Whit Merrifield were traded away midseason.
Among the biggest reasons for the lack of progress was a starting rotation that ranked 26th in the majors with a 4.72 ERA. Of the seven K.C. starters to top 20 innings, five had an ERA of 4.93 or higher. That’s particularly disheartening considering the volume of talented young arms the Royals have seen reach the majors in recent seasons. Kansas City invested plenty of draft capital in bolstering their pitching pipeline, including using four of the top 40 overall selections in 2018 on college arms. Brady Singer, Jackson Kowar, Daniel Lynch and Kris Bubic were all brought in that year, but only Singer has taken the developmental strides the club had envisioned.
After surprisingly beginning the year in the bullpen, Singer was quickly sent to Triple-A to stretch back out as a starter. After reassuming a rotation role in mid-May, the righty emerged as the Royals most productive arm. He made 24 starts and worked to a 3.11 ERA with an above-average 24.2% strikeout rate and a quality 48.5% ground-ball mark. Singer still struggled to turn over lineups three times, but he dominated opponents his first two times through an order. While it may not have been a perfect campaign, Singer’s 2022 season undoubtedly qualified as a success.
Unfortunately for the Royals, none of his peers took a similar step forward. None of Bubic, Lynch or Jon Heasley posted an ERA below 5.00, and all three had well below-average strikeout rates. Carlos Hernández was one of the league’s worst pitchers in a season-opening rotation look and eventually found himself in the bullpen. Kowar has been hit hard during his limited MLB stints over the past two seasons and had a 6.16 ERA through 20 Triple-A starts this year. Grounder specialist Brad Keller has taken a massive step back over the past couple years and could be non-tendered this offseason. It’s to the Royals’ credit that Keller, selected out of the Diamondbacks organization in the 2017-18 Rule 5 draft, ever emerged as a productive starter in the first place. Still, his regression paired with the lack of progress from many of Kansas City’s most promising arms will have to be an area of focus for Picollo and his front office group.
The first move in that arena comes on the coaching staff. In addition to Matheny, the Royals move on from Eldred after five seasons as pitching coach. First hired to join Yost’s staff going into 2018, the former MLB right-hander remained in the role once Matheny took over two years later. Kansas City will now look for a new voice to work with the big league arms, and Andy McCullough of the Athletic reports the organization is likely to follow with changes to its pitching infrastructure in the player development department.
It’ll obviously be a significant winter for the Royals, who now have the American League’s second-longest active postseason drought. The team’s collection of high-upside rookie position players bolsters an increasingly promising lineup. Kansas City could look for upgrades in the corner outfield and at third base, but the bigger area of concern seems likely to be the pitching staff. The Royals will have to go outside the organization to add at least one or two starters (particularly if Greinke doesn’t return in free agency), and they’ll obviously hope for better results from the likes of Lynch and Bubic in 2023 and beyond.
Kansas City becomes the sixth MLB team without a permanent manager in place. The Blue Jays and Phillies have interim skippers in John Schneider and Rob Thomson, respectively. Those teams qualified for the postseason. The Rangers turned to Tony Beasley in an interim capacity after dismissing Chris Woodward, while the White Sox went with Miguel Cairo once Tony La Russa stepped aside due to health concerns. The Marlins, meanwhile, have already announced Don Mattingly won’t return as skipper next season. There’ll be a fair bit of turnover on the managerial front around the league, although the Angels solidified their situation this afternoon by signing Phil Nevin to a one-year deal and removing the interim tag from his title.
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GareBear
Royals fans rejoice
royalsfun
Yep. Next year we’ll only lose 92 games.
GareBear
The organization has been incompetent at developing pitching despite some notable pitching prospects coming up through the system. Moving on from Eldred was beyond needed at this point.
I have gripes about Matheny but also I also fully understand that he was a placeholder that GMDM liked and fit his strong-Christian organizational philosophy.
But moreover, I am just glad to see GMJJ making an effort to shake things up cause we need it.
hiflew
Why is the organization always blamed when pitchers fail to develop as expected? Couldn’t it be that expectations were too high by evaluations? Couldn’t it be that the players just didn’t try hard enough to get better? Couldn’t it just be dumb luck?
But people are always quick to place blame on the team even if there is no reason that will ever be known why certain pitchers didn’t meet expectations.
FrontOfficeStan
Sure there is some luck involved, but if expectations were too high due to evaluations then that is definitely a problem within the organization. Not trying to get better, is probably related to culture, and also an organizational issue. This is just how it goes.
deweybelongsinthehall
Playing in the weakest division shows me just how bad the pitching has been. Metheny is fine if the team has talent.
GareBear
In 20 years (most of which was led by GMDM) we have had 4 players develop into solid rotation pieces: Grienke, Ventura, Duffy, Singer. That is one every 5 years and the only time we were competitive in those years were when two of those guys miraculously developed simultaneously. Sure guys fail, prospects are far from a sure thing, but when there is a pattern of highly rated pitching prospects regularly not developing and virtually no no-name no prospects make the jump either, you have to start looking at the system they are in and question whether there needs to be change.
DarkSide830
So all prospect rankers just simultaneously overrated every SP in their system?
Cosmo2
Why is the organization blamed? Because the buck has got to stop somewhere. Whatever variables arise, good organizations are prepared and on top of things. Bad organizations shrug their shoulders and point fingers.
Samuel
hiflew;
Theories about pitching and how to work with pitchers have changed tremendously over the past 10 or so years. Unfortunately the Royals – among others – have not kept up.
Pitchers literally work with their coaching staff every day of the season. The staff counts and charts their bullpen session pitches. Give them analytics…or not. Work on a plan for their next appearance which they go over with the catchers, then analyze after the game. And more.
Since their rebuild started 5-7 years ago the Royals have developed one starting pitcher that lasted more than a year – Brad Keller…and he was sent to then bullpen last year.
case
“The following offseason, the Royals added Carlos Santana, Andrew Benintendi and Mike Minor in an effort to be more competitive.”
With that influx of talent how dare Matheny not win at least 100 games?!?!?!
Peart of the game
Brad Keller was a rule 5 pick they traded for.
KCMOWHOA
No we couldn’t develop them. The Athletic article about the Royals starting pitching woes quoted a lot of people in other organizations that concurred.
flamingbagofpoop
He’s a rockies fan that doesn’t like to hear about the organizational failings of the rockies, that’s why he’s defensive about it.
positively_broad_st
It’s officially firing season…
Redwolves3
Fire Kapler next!
hiflew
Yeah, it has been a whole year since he won 107 games and the division. Talk about “what have you done for me lately” syndrome.
fisher40
Some fans just don’t get it SMH
3Rivers
You’re an id*it
BigFred
He’s the reigning Manager of the Year.
foppert
Nope. Kapler is fine. You can just keep crying.
DonOsbourne
I’m not sure where Matheny goes from here. I hope he finds a way to continue his career if he chooses to do so, but he hasn’t shown any real ability as a MLB coach. Great guy, bad manager.
baseballpun
Craig Counsell’s replacement.
DonOsbourne
I thought about that. There may still be some members of the Brewers organization with a favorable view of Matheny. But as long as the Brewers are competitive, I doubt they turn the reigns over to him.
Milwaukee-2208
Why the hell would the Brewers dump Craig? Roster construction is the issue not Craig
MannyPineappleExpress9
@2208 because all the social media GM’s over on FB hate CC for his daily lineup changes, and pulling pitchers who have no hitters after 6 innings.
I just laugh when someone points that out, then say MKE should hire Joe Madden Girardi. Like it’s really going to help to fire 1 guy and hire another who does the exact same thing (who also got fired for sucking!).
fisher40
Counsell does a terrible job with the pitching staff.
Deadguy
Counsell has been a damn good coach… much better than Matheny
Samuel
Baseball has managers.
GarryHarris
Craig Counsell WAS very good before this season. He seems to have stopped managing this year.
fisher40
That’s a dumb take on your behalf there baseballpun. The brewers won’t be firing counsell after an 86-76 season and had it over to matheny. There’s a reason why the cardinals fired him a few years ago
baseballpun
Matheny is going to manage all his former teams.
User 2079935927
Does Counsell ever smile? He walks around like he has Crons disease.
Tom the ray fan
What does crohns disease have to do with walking around angry?! Lol
greg7274
Are you somehow confusing Crohn’s Disease with autism?
mrperkins
He said Crons disease, Not Crohn’s. I assume that is frequent hand/wrist issues based on CJ’s DL stints recently.
getrealgone2
Please get rid of Counsell. Then he can go to the Braves.
stan lee the manly
This is a pretty crazy take. I’m a diehard Cards fan and Counsell has been one of, if not the best, manager in the NL since he took over. He takes mediocre teams and wrings as much production as possible out of them every single year. They would be nowhere with the lineups they have had without Counsell, he is zero percent to blame for poor roster construction, he’s been making potpourri out of crap for years.
brodie-bruce
@stanlee (love your username btw) i completely agree cc knows how to manage a game and also has a feel for the clubhouse. if the brew are going to that dumb to give him his walking papers they will come to regret it like the cws owner canning tlr back in the 80’s.
benhen77
Roving minor league catching coach.
GO1962
Matheny has demonstrated the ability to win as a manager during his 6 seasons with the Cardinals. The Cardinals had a winning record all 6 seasons, including a MLB best record with 100 regular season victories in 2015. Matheny managed the Cardinals to the World Series in 2013. Matheny can win as a manager with players who are winners. The flaw with Matheny is that he did not manage the teams to World Championships in 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 when he was in a position to do so.. It is difficult to grade him as the manager of the Royals because the Royals currently do not have enough of the high caliber type of players who are capable of winning.. Whoever replaces Matheny as manager will likely experience losing seasons in 2023 and 2024.
DonOsbourne
But the Cardinals still chose to move on for a reason. By the end of his time in St. Louis there were many who felt the Cardinals were winning in spite of Matheny not because of him. The stark and immediate improvement in the team after Mike Schildt took over did a lot to reinforce that notion. Again, I have a lot of respect for Matheny as a person and player, but I don’t think he is cut out to be a MLB manager.
bassrun
You’re right on the mark, DonOsbourne. Perhaps Matheny’s biggest flaw is that he ran his pitching staff into the ground. He overused the ones who were performing the best and burned them out.
brodie-bruce
@bassrun spot on the local radio station here in stl basically said that matt boweman was an everyday player (he was a rp), at that time we were into may and matt pitched every game. don’t get me started on how he handled holiday, there were a lot of times he was hurt and really couldn’t play but mm kept putting him out there, heck at one point i’m pretty sure he was looking in at the dugout and going really your having me still play i can barely run down a ball. or how mm would leave a pitcher in to long and molina would look in and give the look of “really your going to leave him in the guy doesn’t have it tonight.
KCMOWHOA
He wasn’t cut out for a young team still learning the ropes. You can’t tear guys a new one every night when the majority of your roster is under age 25. And I think analytics was the equivalent New Math to him lol. The Royals had bigger issues than Matheny but he didn’t help
User 3663041837
Well this is wonderful news to end the day on.
Dunedin020306
It kills me when a manager is forced to unfairly take the fall for a teams’ performance. I’m not saying Matheny was a great manager, but he certainly wasn’t given much to work with this season. The Royals are a young team and were picked before the season to finish in last place in the division because of their talent, or lack thereof.
benhen77
Less taking the fall and more the new GM wanting his own choice to manage.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dune – It goes both ways. If managers are willing to take credit for managing talented teams, they need to be willing to take the blame when they are managing bad teams.
Personally I think the role of manager can be eliminated. With all the coaches each team has these days, and all the strategic decisions that are being made in advance by the front office, why bother having a manager at all?
myaccount2
Because you still need someone down there to put those plans into motion. Guys aren’t going to pinch hit themselves or pull themselves to put in a reliever in a bases loaded situation. Bullpen management would be terrible, dudes would be frequently ejected without a manager to step in during arguments with umps, and clubhouse disagreements would escalate.
There will always be a need for managers.
Milwaukee-2208
Horrendous manager. Doesn’t have a clue
Highest IQ
But they were a perfect match. Both awful.
charlie 6
65-97 record, not 69-93.
Highest IQ
And yet they fire him.
bpskelly
Matheny got fired from the Cardinals because he played favorites and wasn’t good with rookies and young players.
Going with younger players is essentially what the Royals have done during his tenure. With little or no success.
Royals making the decision to hire him in the first places still boggles the mind.
This wasn’t going to end well for Mike or the Royals. And unsurprisingly, it didn’t.
Organizations that make poor decisions consistently will always have problems.
Hence, you have the Royals.
twentyfivemanroster
If they didn’t go to back to back WS and win one, your argument would hold water
bpskelly
They haven’t made the playoffs since then — 7 years ago — in what has consistently been the weakest division in baseball.
Decisions probably could have been made differently.
Zerbs63
Did people really have high expectations for the royals this season? Their roster is pretty bad.
The UnderCROWNd
Take 2 at Carlos Beltran.
bradthebluefish
Bring in Joe Madden!
fre5hwind
Justice served.
stubby66
Love see the Brewers to bring in Kevin Seitzer.
Rsox
Matheny and Eldred played together in Milwaukee and St.Louis and were fired together in Kansas City (weird symmetry)
In-house candidates to replace Matheny are likely Pedro Grifol and Vance Wilson, though perhaps it’s time to move away from the Yost holdovers.
Deleted Userr
They’ve largely followed the same mould as the Rockies the last 6.5 years. What changed?
LordD99
They remain poorly run. Firing the manager won’t change that.
waters33
No manager in this world could have won with the crap Dayton Moore roster Matheny was dealt with. Dayton Moore was such a bad GM for way too long in KC
waters33
Dayton Moore was such a terrible GM
getrealgone2
I wouldn’t say terrible, highly overrated for sure.
TheMan 3
Matheny was successful in St. louis because ownership had deep pockets and was willing to spend money on high priced talent
KC is not St. louis
nottinghamforest13
But Matheny is a man of faith. I was told that is the most important quality when choosing a manager.
Garywally57
Maybe they will do what every other business, especially newscasts and television shows do these days, don’t hire the most qualified person for the job, hire someone who is a special race.
utah cornelius
You’re right. Everyone hired everywhere should be white, like the old days. (Except for jobs in labor.) RFLMAO.
nottinghamforest13
For the record, Tito had an excellent interview with St. Louis, really wanted the job, and thought he was a strong candidate to get it. Matheny was gifted the job because he was a favorite of the owner and financially destitute at the time. The owner wanted to give him a new lease on life. Even more importantly he was a man of faith.
That second part is key because there were grave concerns about Tito either not being a man of faith, being a drug addict, or both.
The Cardinals have had some nice seasons, but one does have to wonder what Tito would have done with those teams.
brodie-bruce
@not i agree with most of your points especially with tito, personally with tito it could of been the cards winning in 13 and not bos (or any other year during mm tenure). what i disagree with the cards were not destitute, fox/bally sports pays the cards player salaries (we hover around the 180m mark which is about what the contract pays yearly) after the tv contract all sales after that are mostly profit. on avg we have 30k a night travel to busch and i will say at least over half spend on concessions and other merchandise, so by no means are the cards poor in any way
nottinghamforest13
To clarify, I was referring to the fact that Matheny personally was in financial dire straights when he got the job not that the team was financially struggling and bought him as a cheap replacement.
BuyBuyMets
Headline:
MIKE MATHENY BITES THE WEENIE
MyCommentIsBetter
Shelton must be next
toomanyblacksinbaseball
How’s any manager to succeed when the numbers show that 95% of pitchers are mediocre?
Baseball sucks. I’m not interested in games that run over three hours.
The next whiz kid trying to reinvent the game with dreams of algorithms and a “book” based on thinking too hard has ruined the game for traditional fans. Non-game experience has taken over. TV provides income and putting butts in seats doesn’t matter.
rememberthecoop
If you hate baseball, what are you doing here? While I agree with some of your points, I actually feel that analytics has increased my enjoyment of the game. Are they perfect? No. But they offer insight that we never had before.
Scott-M
Nerd
rememberthecoop
Matheny was a terrible manager with the Cards, and he didn’t get much better with the Royals. While he didn’t have a ton of talent to work with in KC, people I trust didn’t speak highly of his managing there.
msqboxer
Everything comes down to clubhouse and organizational culture. Matheny removal from STL was about that and we’ve seen proven managers recently Maddon and LaRussa who just couldn’t adapt to the change in players. If your not an organization that can buy talent ie. Yankees/Dodgers you have to create a culture of team and winning at every level.. You look at Tampa and STL minor league systems and they win or have winning records at just about every level.. They say a managers on field moves probably influence a couple games a year, I’d say his off field handling of players during slumps or personal physical challenges effects more.
Samuel
msqboxer;
You’re close. Not every team can create a wining culture – 1) it’s quite difficult to do; and 2) not every team wins. A lot depends on the team leaders as there’s only so much a manager can do….and a smart manager will bond with his team leaders and create 2-way communication.
I look at Cleveland – the FO and manager Francona create an environment for the players to succeed in. Can’t think of a player that left under this administration that did better elsewhere – in fact the only one I can think of that comes close is Lindor, and an argument can be made that he played better with Cleveland than with the Mets.
That same pattern of not playing as well once they left can be found with the Rays, possibly the Astros, Dodgers and a few others. It’s the sign of an elite organization,
SliderWithCheese
Will be a top contender for the Yankees opening after they fire Boone for going one and done.
Old York
What? He guided his team to a better record than teams like… Pittsburgh Pirates, Cincinnati Reds, Oakland Athletics & Washington Nationals.
GarryHarris
It’s not Mike Matheny’s doing that the Royals have been dismal. But, he’s certainly not the right managerial fit for this team..
Jmrinaz
Lifelong Cardinals fan & I really liked Mike Matheny as a player but I think this is the end of his managerial career. Could still have a lot to offer as a coach working with hitters and catchers in the minors.
Peart of the game
He would be good as a catching coach, not a good manager.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Wait. Weren’t the Royals supposed to be bad?
Dumpster Divin Theo
He could go back to supplying jazz hands for his brother Pat
Dunedin020306
Dumpster Divin Theo – This is not America!
RobM
Yet another example of the Royals not properly assessing and deploying talent. Their problem isn’t just with players, it’s also coaching, and of course their front office. It’s not that Matheny doesn’t have skills he can offer to a team, but being a baseball manager is not one of them.
It’s interesting that there are two MLB teams in Missouri. One, the Cardinals, consistently has one of he best-run front offices in MLB and is rewarded with great fans; the other, the Royals, has neither.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Good luck! A good man was fired who did not win enough games!