White Sox manager Tony La Russa is expected to announce his retirement tomorrow, according to a report from Bob Nightengale of USA Today. La Russa, who turns 78 years old on Tuesday, has been absent from the team since late August due to a medical issue.
La Russa had previously retired from managing in 2011 after having spent more than 30 years as a skipper for the White Sox, Athletics and Cardinals, beginning in 1979. Then after a decade out of the manager’s chair, the White Sox made the stunning decision to bring him back for the 2021 season.
His first season out of retirement went very well, with the Sox going 93-69 last year and capturing the AL Central division title. However, it’s been a sharp downward turn here in 2022, with the club currently sporting a record of 78-80 and well out of playoff contention. La Russa faced some sharp criticism earlier this year with some bizarre managerial decisions, perhaps the most infamous example being his decision to issue an intentional walk to Trea Turner despite Turner behind in the count 1-2. In the left-on-left matchup La Russa desired, Max Muncy hit a three-run home run off Bennett Sousa, enhancing the frustration of fans and the scrutiny on La Russa’s decision making.
It was reported in June that La Russa was given a three-year contract when hired, meaning his deal runs through 2023. However, it seems that his health issues will prevent him from honoring the final season. He stepped away from the team after missing their August 30 game due to an undisclosed medical issue, related to his heart. Nightengale’s report from today says that La Russa had his pacemaker repaired at that time and has now been advised to not return to a managerial position. The report says La Russa is likely to stick with the organization in some kind of special assistant role that presumably won’t involve as much work on a day-to-day basis.
For the White Sox, they will now have to add a managerial search to their offseason to-do list. One option would be to simply retain Miguel Cairo, who took over on an interim basis when La Russa departed just over a month ago. As noted by Nightengale, the club went 13-6 over his first few weeks at the helm but slumped badly since. They followed up that stretch with an eight-game losing streak, helping them go 2-9 over their last 11 and 15-15 overall since Cairo took over.
However, if they decide to look outside the organization, they would be the sixth out of the 30 MLB clubs looking to fill a vacancy. Don Mattingly and the Marlins recently announced that they would be mutually parting ways after this season, while the Blue Jays, Phillies, Angels and Rangers all fired their managers midseason. It’s possible some of those clubs might forgo a lengthy search in favour of retaining their interim manager, with the Blue Jays reportedly leaning that way with John Schneider.
yankista
One of the greatest!!
lemonlyman
I don’t disagree, but he should Bhagwan walked away from managing 10 years ago.
hiflew
Bhagwan = have? Interesting typo.
nottinghamforest13
Bhagwan Rajneesh will be named as the new manager.
FoxSox
Andy Shoulda Bhagwan!
After all your words of steel…
Cincyfan85
Bhagwan = poop
afsooner02
I hate it when I Bhagwan walk.
Larry Brown's crank
gangnam style= Bhagwan walk. who wins?
fisher40
English dude English!!
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Hopefully Cora takes the job.
User 163535993
Is Jack McKeon still alive? Give him an Inogen and send him out there.
Fever Pitch Guy
Remove – Three games to go in the season and Cora is still benching Devers and Xander today.
He has lost the clubhouse, losing the last couple games 19-0 despite playing a contender in front of a packed house. Playing for pride? Not Cora’s team.
He’s a pathetic manager that needs to go ASAP.
JLinTexas
Change his sox? Sorry, couldn’t resist.
Mystery Team
@Fever Pitch Guy but they were scheduled days off. Lol he’s resting them for the day they pack up their lockers. He’s one of those managers that think they’re smarter than everyone in the room sort of like the jackal from San Fran and Joe Maddon.
Oldman58
With the Cubs Maddon was the smartest guy in the dugout every day of the week. In LA he didn’t have enough horses
CaptainJudge99
Yes, definitely time to start feeding the pigeons at the closest park at 78!
LordD99
Keep in mind that Bob Nightengale is reporting La Russa’s retirement. That means there’s at least a 50-50 chance today’s press conference is to announce a contract extension!
Oldman58
I’d love to see an extension., that would be hilarious.
muzzachunka
Nightingale is definitely the worst at reporting anything. I bet he ask other journalists what they hearing and they feed him part truth, but mostly BS and he runs with it. 50/50 is a high % for Bob. I remember him exporting Machado to White Sox before he signed with Padres
CubsWin108
Up there with the best, doesn’t matter if he had a bad year this season, still one of the greatest managers ever
A'sfaninUK
Best ever? Not really, but he wasn’t one of the worst ones ever – why cant the middle ground ever exist anymore?
No Soup For Yu!
La Russa is #2 all time in total wins, in the top 30 in winning percentage, in the top 10 in total pennants, and is one of just 10 managers with 3 or more World Series Championships. He’s already in the Hall of Fame as well. 15 years ago. This is a bit like saying Ken Griffey Jr. or Nolan Ryan aren’t among the best players ever because they’re not in the top 50 in WAR or something.
User 163535993
He’s further proof Dave Duncan was the most under rated Pitching Coach/ Asst. Mgr in Major League history.
Stormintazz
Further proof that managers and coaches are only as good as the players they have.
muzzachunka
Another truth there. White Sox only had 3 regulars with 130 or more games played 2 in the 130 & Abreu at 155. When/If Eloy & Robert ever plays 150+ games they gonna be monsters & Sox will be winners. I’m. so sick of watching MLB players jog around the bases, especially out the batters box.
Dogbone
Then all you have to do is quit watching the White Sox. You can watch other teams.
mlbtrsks
Now they’ll hire someone that’s too young
A'sfaninUK
Anyone in MLB hiring someone young over a senior citizen that another senior citizen team owner owes a favor to? Impossible
NashvilleJeff
Your bigotry is showing.
prov356
Don’t be that guy, jeff.
drasco036
Hire Frank Thomas… he obviously needs money
BuyBuyMets
Frank Thomas? He’s 15 years older than LaRussa
drasco036
Is that some type of White Sox inside joke that no one else is aware of?
andremets
Pretty sure he means the older, less famous FT.
hiflew
I think Neugenics would get the entire team suspended.
Oldman58
To owner Jerry Reinsdorf a young guy would be someone 70 years old
Alkie
There must be someone else Jerry feels indebted to from the 70s that he could hire as manager for next season. Maybe an ex-girlfriend or a college roommate.
Sunday Lasagna
Ozzie
muzzachunka
No to Ozzie. Sox need a game manager not a comedian wanna-be. He ripped players during season & I’m sure they took notice of the idiot. Let him stay away & do his pre & post game ramblings
thickiedon
Donnie
WAR Pig
Phil Jackson?
Oldman58
No surprise. He never should’ve returned to managing
qbert1996
Why? Led them to the AL Central title last season. Had a lot of injuries this season to key players as well and just couldn’t recover. Stop hating
nrd1138
Its not all LaRussa’s fault, but then you also have to admit that to say he led them to the AL central title last year also means little was well. I mean Renteria could have led this team to the AL Central title last season.
muzzachunka
Rick had his shot & didn’t get it done
Steven Juris
Tony hasn’t been relevant since the All Star game last year. He was one of the big reasons they lost in the playoffs last year and is the reason they didn’t win the division this year. My grandma could put manage Tony and she’s been dead for 35 years
waterdog311
I’ll take that bet. Your grandma was way overrated, my great great uncle told me so.
ChiSoxCity
Tony isn’t to blame for how mediocre the team has been, but he’s too old to be managing on a daily basis.
Winning the AL Central is nothing to brag about these days. It’s the second worst division in baseball (NL Central is a dumpster fire). The Sox were never serious contenders with that roster. Just too many glaring weaknesses the owner won’t allow to get fixed. You’re not contending with a first baseman and a DH as your corner outfielders.
Samuel
ChiSoxCity;
Sure changed your tune.
What happened to “talented” and “WS Contender”?
Been writing here for 2 years that that team and organization were radially overrated – as the players can’t play baseball, and don’t want to.
nrd1138
Many of the players can play baseball just fine, and have shown they can in spurts. The issue, at least partly, was that no one apparently had the gumption to challenge these guys who got their extensions and just came in to cash their checks. The conditioning staff was also godawful, and there are very few reports during the season about how guys were coming in early to work on things like hitting and fielding.. That also falls on the coaching and management. The whole thing was a colossal @#$$ show and that includes your idol LaRussa.
Mystery Team
I don’t blame LaRussa at all. He can’t force all these softies to come in early to work on simple fundamentals. Modern players are a different breed than what he’s coached most of his career. My belief is that the Sox hoped he could change some of the mindsets on this team but unfortunately when you have guys that seem to enjoy the IL life too much that undermines what LaRussa was there to do. The last handful of years MLB has changed so much. Players hit the IL for simple every day bangs and bruises because the money spent on these guys is so high that teams think they need to protect their investments. I hate to say it but the exact opposite is true. The more money a player makes the more he should tough it out and earn that paycheck. These guys have zero pride and it’s pathetic.
Mystery Team
…and half the commenters on this site side with the players which boggles my mind.
Steven Juris
Ponder this Cairo on his first day slammed the players and asked them to their face if they wanted to play hard or get out. Which is the first time in 2 years that someone on the coaching staff did that. LaRussa has always been a players coach. That’s why steroids took hold in Chicago and Oakland the last time he managed. The players responded for awhile to Cairo and actually showed energy something that didn’t happen with Tony. Tony’s dumb and ridiculously stupid manager decisions cost the Sox 15 games this year. Which I guess you’re okay with.
muzzachunka
Not me…
Ognir200
Joe McEwing would be my guess.
put it in the books
Super Joe!
hiflew
Cairo will probably get the job.
Dogbone
Steve Stone should be next mgr. This past Friday on his local radio appearance gig, Stone was still trying to blame the Sox poor performance on the short spring training. Stoney claimed it didn’t give the Sox enough time to work on “blocking pitches and turning DPs”. I kid you not!!!
I guess Stoney forgot their catcher is the veteran Grandal- who they’ve had now for a few years. Shouldn’t they have addressed that by now? And why are they paying Grandal $18/M a year if he can’t catch – or hit?
And as far as turning DPs, their IF, is a veteran infield. Moncada, Anderson and Abreu. And they added Josh Harrison – another vet. Comon Stoney!
tesseract
The only thing that would surprise me more than Stone as the manager would be Hawk. But this is the white sox and you never know what card Jerry will pull.
tesseract
Considering this is a rumor site. Yes. People care.
tesseract
Jon Cusack
stymeedone
Blocking pitches, catching and throwing, and game calling skills don’t matter in today’s metrics. Grandal “frames” well, so he gets the big bucks.
Steven Juris
Apparently hitting doesn’t matter eithrr
Dogbone
Yeah, sure. And here I thought they were paying Grandal $18/M yr, because sometimes he draws a walk.
Mrsuntan
Joe….Maddon
PutPeteinthehall
Please no Maddon. Hard pass
nrd1138
I think Maddon would do the same as LaRussa, which is to say let the inmates run the Asylum.. Then need a guy who is going to come in and set high expectations. The real issue is will KW and JR allow such a manager in the locker room, as they have not since they had Ozzie. They want a lapdog and the players know it.. Time to shake things up.
believeitornot
Hopefully, John Sterling joins him.
goalieguy41
Joel Quennville
Mi Casas es tu Casas
Brass Bonanza would make a great fight song as the ChiSox take the field.
bigpooky
ROFL.
made my morning!
Stan Not the Man
HOF awaits….oops!
RunDMC
Don’t want to see Wash go, but CWS would be a great opportunity for him.
Samuel
RunDMC;
He’d be perfect – but he would need total say on his coaching staff as well as a say in overhauling that entire ML roster. However…..
That organization needs a major overhaul to change its culture. It’ll take years. There will be some people left employed that will sabotage the effort And it needs to come from the top….not the top of Baseball Ops…from the owner.
Would Mr. Reinsdorf embark on that at age 85? Mr. Washington doesn’t need that at his age. He’s in a good position now.
SamtheMan!
Wash will get them to play D and get back to the fundamentals.
He also can’t be incredibly picky at this age when It comes to managerial gigs. If he just wants to coach—sure.
It’s a weak division and the roster has talent. That’s not the worst job open by any means.
Samuel
Jbigz44;
Not with those players.
Maybe an NFL line coach could get help them on their footwork and make them linemen.
muzzachunka
Sniff a Lil coke every once in a while too
believeitornot
Do you mean the moron that cost the Rangers the World Series by not playing Nelson Cruz deep enough with two outs? Tony’s problem was alcohol. The moron’s problem was coke.
GarryHarris
Pot.
believeitornot
No. It was coke.
Yankee Clipper
It was a failed drug test for cocaine. He admitted to using cocaine as a player as well.
si.com/.amp/mlb/2010/03/17/washington
emt126
Now he will try to get another average player into Hall
UWPSUPERFAN77
Nice career by HOF! Good Luck and God Bless!
PutPeteinthehall
White Sox (Reinsdorf) like to hire ex white Sox players for this job. The last few managers were in the organization at one time or another before. AJ Pierzynski or Girardi will probably be in the mix this time. AJ has both qualities of being loud and an ex player. Chicago Joe was a Northwestern man and had two tours with the Cubs. He’s also an opinionated person that goes against the grain. One will get the job.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Northwestern man- go Cats!!
nrd1138
AJ would be too rough for the front office to control, ergo, the Org will not be interested.They want a lapdog. That is evident since Ventura came in 10 years ago.
kevnames42
To correct this team the real cancer needs to go, Ken Williams.
A'sfaninUK
Really? Reinsdorf is just sitting out there and you go to KW? Bro, the problem is coming from inside the house!!!
bigpooky
so right I don’t want to be wrong
kevnames42
well he’s not going anywhere soon as the owner so
believeitornot
So you’re saying the guy who screws up home run calls owns the Yankees? I think not.
kevnames42
What?
Bohs and Os
I bet he has a drink to celebrate…
Samuel
If they don’t redo the entire Baseball Ops area this offseason, what will White Sox fans excuse be next year?
nrd1138
I dunno, but I too have noticed that many of the ‘experts’ that were claiming the Sox would run away with the division have been fairly quiet.. May fav was they would be in 1st place by the AS break….
Steven Juris
LaRussa ran the entire organization the last 2 years. He had full say over the GM and the VP.
SliderWithCheese
I’m going to be busy tomorrow so he should announce it today.
tesseract
Mike Rodriguez reported it first on 9/26
bhd360
Good, now the Hall of Fame Baseball man can have more time to collect DUI’s.
bigpooky
he will be consulting with Carleton Fisk on the formation of a lobbying effort to allow road pops in Tesla’s.
jmlang
For their consideration, Ron Washington, Billy Ripken, or Mark DeRosa
Dogbone
Billy Ripken LOL!
Billy is still hanging onto Cals coattails by his fingernails. You’d barely if ever, heard of Billy, if not for Cal. He sure wouldn’t have his gig on the MLB network.
dkhits20
You’re not giving the f**kface card enough credit.
jmlang
For their consideration, Ron Washington, Billy Ripken, or Mark DeRosa.
tiredolddude
Since you’re providing most of the MLB network here, might as well throw the names of Harold Reynolds and Sean Casey in there, too
chopper2hopper
THANK GOD
Now all they need is a new owner
Camden453
Next up, Lenny Dykstra
AHH-Rox
Maybe they will go down the same path and hire Bobby Cox. Jim Leyland is available. Phil Garner. Whitey Herzog.
Alas, Tommy Lasorda is unavailable.
bigpooky
Tommy is too available. White Sox have been spending all the money they should have on improving instruction and organizational core for their ” Weekend at Bernie’s” initiative
.
Haha Quite the list of contenders…How about Jack Mckeon? He will be a spry and wily 92 come November.
Edp007
Hopefully he doesn’t get pulled over on the way to the press conference
30 Parks
LaRussa’s response to his batters getting beaned is a metaphor for life. Well done, sir.
riffraff
Next manager will be ex ballplayer with ties to Jerry….Michael Jordan.
PontiacBandit
Bobby Jenks
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Bandit, way to bring back memories. Bobby Jenks haha. Have not heard that name uttered in a loong time haha. Man he threw hard!!!
rememberthecoop
“favour” – hey this is now a Canadian site just like Arby’s is a fusion restaurant.
CalcetinesBlancos
Arby’s is the centre of my universe.
julyn82001
I remember when LaRussa was with the A’s. Rumor was LaRussa knew the bash brothers aka Jose Canseco and Mark McGuire were taken steroids. Well, LaRussa is a hall of fame for a reason…
A'sfaninUK
Love when people who cant spell McGwire talk smack on him, it happens so often because fans are pretty unintelligent these days!
Sid Bream Speed Demon
Especially senior citizen fans, amirite? McGwire was a cheater, plain and simple. He needed the juice to stay healthy enough to play so he could smash homers, not complicated.
A'sfaninUK
Hey fun fact old man – juicing isnt cheating if other sports allow it – what the 2017 Astros did was actual cheating. MLB should make what Mac, Sosa and Bonds did 100% legal for all players to do – if Ken Griffey Jr did it, we would have been treated to an entire second decade of his career that was exactly like his first, instead of what we got: nonstop injuries.
McGwire hit 49 homers in 1987 as a skinny rookie, but now youre lying on here saying he was juicing his entire career and was a bad player and not a Olympian and top prospect. COOL GUY ALERT!!! Lying is SO cool mannn….lol
bwmiller
That was a great team, Ricky Henderson might be the best player to ever play.
’89 WS champs, couldn’t have done it without Carnie Lansford.
A'sfaninUK
That ’89 team required all of its players, couldnt have done it without Stew, Eck, Welch, Carney, Jose, Mac, etc etc
User 2079935927
Maddon gets his name misspelled too a lot. See above and below.
Samuel
How about with the White Sox and Cardinals?
Any rumors there?
muzzachunka
Was Steriods illegal at that time or just immoral? Everyone was taking steroids even the great Roger Clemens. MLB nailed the players they wanted too. Others got a pass because I’d guess 60 to 70% of the players back then dabbled. Go lol at the history back then and see the NOT huge HR hitters hitting bombs. Can anyone say Brady Anderson..50 HR’s
Pads Fans
Illegal since 1969 and against the rules of baseball since 1991.
Steven Juris
It was always illegal. MLB looked away because of ratings and money.
A'sfaninUK
They were never “illegal” and like 90% of what MLB players get “busted” for is 100% legal for you or me. MLB rules change per player.
Greenies were 10000x worse than Roids. Yes, I’m saying it: METH is worse than ROIDS. Grow up.
Chicago Whales
I bet one of these teams grabs Madden. Miami or CHW would be my bet. I think Joe G is going to end up in Texas or LAA.
believeitornot
John Madden is gone.
bwmiller
Hard to fill LaRussa’s shoes, I would hire AJ Pierzynski, he could be good.
tim2686
I can’t wait for the news of TA and AJ first fighting in the dugout because AJ called him out for his laziness on defense.
Steven Juris
Except that Aj would be decked severely. Just like Barrett did.
Pads Fans
Did TLR wear a size 15, because coaching-wise the game has left him behind so that would be fairly easy for more owners.
DonOsbourne
I’d like to begin by saying that Ozzie Smith is my favorite player of all time. So I had major issues with La Russa from the time he arrived in St Louis. However, I am willing to give credit where credit is due:
In 2002 he did a great job keeping the team together after the tragic passing of Darryl Kile.
In 2006 he limped an aging, injured, top heavy team into the postseason with 83 regular season wins and came away with a World Series victory. His role in that can’t be overlooked. He was proverbially playing chess while everyone else played checkers. Except many of his chess pieces were Candyland figures.
In his final chapter in St Louis he again played a major part in winning the 2011 World Series. Ron Washington may be a great manager, but even he admitted he was out of his depth trying to play match up against La Russa.
I was glad to see La Russa leave for many reasons, but after he was gone it became apparent how good he really was. Watching Mike Matheny fumble through routine in game decisions went a long way toward framing La Russa’s genius. His Cardinals teams always played hard, always appeared to be in the moment, and usually got every drop of talent out of every player on the roster. Happy retirement Tony.
Samuel
DonOsbourne;
I was in computer training sessions in Atlanta when LaRussa to the Cardinals was announced. Was sitting next to a gentlemen from St. Louis – a big Cardinals fan. That team and organization were a mess. After Whitey retired, Joe Torre and Mike Jorgensen couldn’t do much. The team on the field lacked talent and was out of control.
I asked him what he thought. He said he hoped the LaRussa would be decent. I told him I thought LaRussa was a great manager and would work with the FO to bring them back. Never had a doubt.
This team / roster in Chicago is not just full of DH’s, it’s full of prima donna’s – some of them quite young – that fit the mode of many of today’s baseball players that see themselves as entertainers and put on their teams uni to give them a platform to market their brand. The lack of Baseball IQ and desire to play solid baseball and help one another in winning is mind boggling.
Sorry to see Tony go out like this.
DonOsbourne
Sam
I agree with everything you said. The attitude/playing style of this Sox team is the antithesis of what La Russa really stood for. Passion, intensity, and execution were the hallmarks of his previous teams. I think the other fans are right when they say Tony was a poor fit for this team. But I don’t think he deserves all the blame.
Steven Juris
No manager won more games because of steroids then Tony did. Tony is washed up. He alone cost the Sox 15-20 games the last 2 years with his extremely brain dead moves. Maybe he can hire Leury to drive him around town.
Cam
You’re talking about the TLR of many years ago. This is not the same TLR.
The real lack of baseball IQ you speak of, isn’t solely on the players – remember, this is a manager who intentionally walked a guy on a 1-2 count with 2 outs. A guy who is that far gone in his decision making, has zero chance of pulling a team of guys in a better direction. He couldn’t connect with his plaueres, he made decisions as if he had been drinking in the dugout, he got the job ahead of others because of his personal relationship with the boss, and his issues off the field were a long term distraction.
He’s been asleep at the wheel, and pretty clearly told “don’t worry about coming back, you just rest at home”.
GarryHarris
Swoonin’ Jim Leyland mismanaged his pitching staff in 2006 WS. Jeremy Bonderman had the hot hand but ended up in Leyland personal doghouse. Justin Verlander should’ve been game 3. Leyland never knew his teams.
believeitornot
If Ron Washington is a great manager, how come he played Nelson Cruz so shallow that a ball went over his head? If he had been playing two or three steps deeper, he catches the ball and the Rangers win the World Series. Guess he didn’t realize a ball over Cruz’s head makes them lose the Series. Maybe he was on coke at the time.
Samuel
believeitornot;
Enough.
OK. Mute.
How does a kid like you know why Cruz was playing so shallow? Who made that decision?
You take a mans body of decades of work and boil it down to one play? Really.
Tell us all the things you accomplished in life never having made a mistake. Did you major in Entitlement?
Other than being a spoiled rotted overgrown kid, what are you on?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Tony is that you? Samuel seems like another cranky 78 yo.
DonOsbourne
Do you have a source for your information? If what you are saying is true, it must have been the only time in 15 years that La Russa sided with young player over a veteran. From an outsider’s perspective, it appears that Tony wanted to clearly establish his dominance in the organization. He wanted to show that no player was above his rules and decisions. He made an example out of Ozzie because Ozzie was the biggest fish. Royce Clayton was a non-factor. He could have easily moved to 2B, but instead Tony chose to play Mike Gallego(Mike Gallego!). I see this as a pure power move and unless you have direct information to the contrary, you probably won’t change my mind.
DonOsbourne
Right. And Royce Clayton was just like Pujols, Ankiel, and Wainright. Thanks for sharing your version of reality.
DonOsbourne
Well, first of all, I never meant to get you all upset. You have your opinion, and I have mine. That is fine. I did some research into the “common knowledge”. Here is what I found:
1. Ozzie did bat .199 in an injury ravaged 1995 season over 156 AB’s. In my opinion the small sample size makes this a non-factor, but you can disagree.
2. Ozzie did have surgery to repair a torn rotator cuff during the “95 season. However, the injury actually occurred in 1986. He went on to win 6 additional Gold Gloves after the injury, so I don’t believe his throwing was as impacted as you claim. In fact, following the surgery his arm was the healthiest it had been in 10 years.
3. During the 1996 season Ozzie and Royce Clayton both produced 1.6 WAR. Ozzie .283/.358/.370 for a 94 OPS+ in 261 AB’s. Clayton .277/.321/.371 for an 83 OPS+ in 491 AB’s. Clayton did steal 33 bags but was thrown out 15 times. Overall Ozzie was the more productive offensive player in a smaller sample.
4. Defensively Ozzie produced a .969 fielding% in 260 chances. .972 in 533 for Clayton. Ozzie’s Range Factor was 4.85 compared to Clayton’s 4.58. Total Zone Rating gave Ozzie a 4 and Clayton a 9. Depending on how much stock you put in defensive metrics, it appears the two were very similar though Ozzie had far fewer chances.
5. For kicks Mike Gallego put up -.5 WAR and a 35 OPS+ in 143 AB’s.
6. Statistically, La Russa had no justification for moving Ozzie off of SS. If the goal was to win as many games as possible, Clayton should have deferred to the Hall of Famer, agreed to play 2B, and Gallego should have stayed in Oakland. Considering the way other teams have handled aging franchise icons, Ozzie had every right to take La Russa’s treatment personally. It was personal. La Russa was showing everyone how big his sch!ong was. He told Ozzie that whoever performed better on the field would receive the majority of playing time. He did not live up to that agreement. Ozzie outperformed Clayton by most statistical measures from Spring Training and throughout the regular season. La Russa needed to show his authority and did so at the expense of one of the most popular players in franchise history. That’s one of the reasons La Russa will never be adored the way Whitey Herzog is in St. Louis.
A'sfaninUK
@DonOsborne we’re getting trolled by a TLR fan, smh. Just mute this coward and move on.
A'sfaninUK
@sn33 just lying outright here. Shut up. Ozzie Smith was the greatest teammate every Cardinals player ever had and TLR has ALWAYS BEEN a drunk scummy racist lib. As an A’s fan it SUCKS we won our title while he was here with an unbeatable team he managed to blow 2 WS’s with.
TLR and @sn33 are confirmed horrible people. Ozzie Smith is confirmed an all-time great teammate.
DarkSide830
Wally Backman is available!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Perhaps he’ll have enough free time now to separate his drinking from his driving.
PontiacBandit
Genius
muzzachunka
Just let the man go away in peace. I’m sure you have demons in your closet. But of you’re perfect in every way. I heard you look at young girls lustfully. True?
machurucuto
Keeping Cairo as manager would be a very good decision
machurucuto
By the way, Ozzie is still available
palehose1
White sox need to make significant leadership changes but I don’t think Jerry has the stomach to change out Kenny and Hahn
They should give total baseball control to Theo Epstein give him some equity and ownership and start rebuilding baseball operations, invest in scouting and player development, baseball analytics etc
There are significant fundamental issues with the team that won’t be address by changing the manager and adding a 2B and a RF
Dogbone
@palehose, Theo wouldn’t work. Theo needs a BIIIGGGGG Budget.
nrd1138
Agreed, but Im not sure a guy like Theo would take a role with the Sox anyway. JR will never want anything more than friends and/or a lapdogs in the Org, which is why he continuously fails and makes ’05 look more and more like a fluke and luck than skill. If the Sox want to win again they need to put their faith into a manager that will not accept anything less than perfection and be allowed to make hard choices, including getting players, who do not want to buy into a winning culture, out of the Org AND have a say in the type of player to come into the org. … Im convinced more than ever now that JR will not do this, and therefore the Sox will continue to fail in trying to be consistent winners. They will have to rely on being lucky in FA acquisitions, which rarely works out when you fail to also want to pay top dollar for good acquisitions.
muzzachunka
This team ready to go now and years beyond. Young talent is aplenty. Don’t be shocked if Colas not in right field next year & Elvis Andrus at 2nd base keeping it warm for Gonzalez to be fully ready for the job. I’m more worried about the Starting 5 pitchers.
Samuel
muzzachunka;
You’re delusional.
Stop listening to the national baseball media and watch the Sox players on the Feld try to play ML baseball.
MLB position players are not about hitting HR’s and fielding balls – sometimes – that are hit straight at them. Pitching is not about throwing with all your might and trying to K every batter.
The Sox record this year against Cleveland was 7-12; against Baltimore was 2-5. Those are young teams that started slowly this year. I’ll bet you can’t name a half-dozen players on either team. Why did they win? Because those 2 young teams PLAY SMART, FUNDANMENTAL BASEBALL.
Since you obviously never payed any baseball, go to the library and find some books on playing baseball…..AND READ THEM..
GarryHarris
Does Joe Madden make sense as the ChiSox next manager?
Samuel
Gary;
Let’s wait and see who’s in the front office this offseason and into 2023.
At this point no manager is going to do much with that roster….any more than Casey could do with the ’60 Mets……who had far less talent, but at least they showed up each day trying to help the team win.
There’s a reason a ML team plays little league defense as well as runs the bases that way for 5-7 years. That needs to be addressed first.
Steven Juris
Manager comes first unless you want to wait until spring training. Lots of decisions to make and at least one isn’t going to be popular in the clubhouse.
muzzachunka
NO.
nrd1138
No, I think Joe would let the Sox have a party room every time they win a game. He was too soft on his players, which is why he did nothing in LA despite having two of the best players in baseball on the club. The Sox already have tried the carrot approach.. it does not work.
I hate to sound like a ‘gym coach’ but they need an @#$ kicker on the club willing to make hard decisions, like benching million dollar guys that make egregious errors on the base paths, and in the field, and to be able to release guys (or ask they be traded) who do not get with the program AND have an org behind them willing to allow such decisions to be made by the manager as well. That will never occur as long as JR has KW in the front office. Without a manager allowed to have their say as to who really plays and who stays, I doubt they will be successful.
Rsox
Bring back Ozzie!
Seriously though, do the White Sox have any other former players that want to manage? Ron Karkovice? Ray Durham? Craig Grebeck? Dave Martinez (another ex-White sock) would actually be a decent fit if he leaves Washington after this season
nrd1138
Ozzie would make too much sense, but KW’s ego is too big to allow Ozzie back into the Org. Ozzie was not perfect, I get that, but at least it seemed like he gave a crap when he team under performed, at least until it appears KW sapped his will to be a good manager.. Get rid of KW (have him ‘retire’ with Tony) and bring back Ozzie, who Im guessing did not have such an adversarial relationship with Hahn. I would love to see this team with someone who has the energy to get in these guys faces and really challenge them.
DerekBellsMoistMoustache
Phoenix area drivers watch out!
mlb1225
I hope he has a nice retirement and enjoys life after baseball once again, but I really want to know what drove him out of retirement. Before the White Sox, he last managed nearly 10 seasons ago with the Cardinals in 2011, and went out on a high note winning one last ring. If he hadn’t won any World Series titles or won MOY any point in his career, I could see how he would feel he had some unfinished business. But 3 rings, 4 MOY awards, and in the Hall of Fame, why come out of retirement and potentially ruin the good ending you had as a manager? Was it ego? Maybe he felt he had something left to prove.
Holy Cow!
He was buddies with Reinsdorf. Reinsdorf regretted it when Hawk Harrelson, the GM for one season in 1986, fired him.
I think Renteria was fired for being a lousy in-game manager which was one of Tony’s strengths back in the day. I also think Jerry went over Hahn’s head. (Remember the debacle with the accidental announcement of Hinch as manager.)
The Sox were looking very promising in 2021 and this was a last chance for Jerry and Tony to get together on the Sox and win again. What could possibly go wrong? I don’t know, this is probably payback for them getting Harold Baines into the Hall or Fame.
Holy Cow!
I don’t think Tony ever really retired. He worked for MLB and remember his tenure in Arizona as chief baseball officer. Plus he also was a senior advisor for Boston and the Angels.
Steven Juris
Jerry went over every single persons head when he hired Tony. Nobody else even wanted to interview him let alone hire him. This was always going to end up this way. The front office just allowed Tony do run the team into the ground.
muzzachunka
How do you know this? And BTW how can the owner go over everyone else’s head? He’s da boss dude
Steven Juris
Dude it was reported in every single story back then. The owner was the only person in the entirety of baseball who wanted to hire Tony and yes the guy who owns the team can override everyone else. It is his team after all.
Pads Fans
Attorneys fees?
stevep-4
Bring back Ozzie Guillen. Great baseball mind ( his post game analyses on TV have been enlightening) and he is funny as hell, this team could really benefit from lightening up. He also was never afraid to bench vets who were slacking replacing them with youngsters, as if to say hey there a guy who wants your job.
nrd1138
Agreed, except Ozzie appeared to let his vets get away with a lot in his later years and let them keeop their jobs. One part of me thinks that the whole back and forth with KW sapped his will to be a good manager. Get rid of KW first before Ozzie comes back (but I doubt JR would do that)
Manfred is awful
Now that Alex Corra can’t cheat it seems as though he has lost all confidence as a manager. What a total loser.
BallBag
i’ll toss Lizzo’s hat into the ring, she’s hot right now
muzzachunka
White Sox managment PLEASE SAY NO TO JOE MADDEN. He’s tried and proven unless he has a team ready to win World Series he can’t manage. Ask Angel fans. 1st & foremost the SOX should open checkbook up for Carlos Rodon, SOX need him oh so badly. That’s all on that subject. 2nd the Front Office should sit down with Elvis Andrus & convince him to stay with White Sox but switch over to 2nd base for his tenure in Chicago. He is the guy Sox need to move on to playoffs. The youth Sox have will not get it done yet. Elvis can still get’er done people. People might have forgotten/not known 2nd base was Andrus original position before he was changed to SS prior to getting to MLB in the minors. And Andrus should see what’s there in Chicago & wanna stay, but money talks…so. thats that. 3rd let Johnny Cueto walk. His track record says so & I assure you he won’t repeat what he did this year. 4th….I’m on fence about this, but Sox should let Giolito walk if he’s at the place now or sign him for NOT crazy money. His #1 picher status had gone. I’d prefer Davis Martin over him. Okay….send the hate replies…I don’t care maybe we can have a nice conversation on subject matter here
Samuel
muzzachunka;
For your consideration……
The Sox have MLB’s 7th ranked team payroll. Doubt they’ll add to it. Odds are that they’ll have to subtract from it in 2023….probably by quite a bit.
muzzachunka
7th ranked don’t mean crap when the rest above them double or even triple them. It’s like saying but Samuel is the 7th oldest person in room at 35 (don’t know your age, just making a point) when the top 6 are 70+ being 7th highest is nothing when they are considered middle of the pack & fans claim Jerry spends no money. Which is it?
Samuel
muzzachunka;
Got it……
You have no cred.
No franchise is anywhere near double them in payroll, let alone triple. Percentage wise their payroll is pretty much as higher then the (WC) Braves (#8) as tte Red Sox (#6) payroll is above the White Sox. Meanwhile the Sox are 19th in attendance in 2022 and the Braves are 4th.
Despite what agents and unions say – as when they were destroying newspapers and American automobile companies – like any business, MLB franchises live on revenues. The White Sox will need to cut payroll in 2023.
Throw a juvenile fit somewhere else – and please don’t talk down to me.
nrd1138
I think Rodon gets far too much credit.. Unless you are talking about continuous 1 year deals with him. If he comes back to the Sox he will try to spend at least half of his time on the DL with them.
muzzachunka
Like a bunch of other pitchers. He would still be upgrade & become #2 in rotation. I’ll take 14-8 with a 2.88 era in 31 starts every year. Missed 1 start this year. Okay try again
nrd1138
Umm, easy, HOW many games did Rodon miss with the White Sox? So many that they had to treat him like a chandelier. Heck Im surprised they did not pack him in a box when traveling and mark it ‘Fragile’… One good year of not being hurt much does not mean he is worth over paying. You try again.
Pads Fans
Joe Maddon.
miltpappas
And he was only 833 wins away from passing Connie Mack. Well, Dusty, it’s up to you.
TheStevilEmpire1
I vote Kevin Costner as manager. We know if he builds it, they will come.
User 2079935927
Nah, He would only consider the Angels. He went to Cal State Fullerton. Just up the road from Angels Stadium.
Shawn W.
Costner is also an actor and not qualified (no experience) to be a major league manager.
TheStevilEmpire1
“Ease his pain.”
TheStevilEmpire1
“Go the distance”
outinleftfield
Best thing that could happen to that team.
nrd1138
The Sox have problems on their hands, and Im not sure this org can fix it.
Some notables that really should be done:
-Get a manager who will throw down a gauntlet and challenge these prima donnas on the club to produce and do whats best for the team, AND have the org behind them if they want to jettison players that don’t want to do that
-As much as a I used to love him, time to walk away from Abreu, I do not care about stats, this team underachieved all season (to put it mildly) and made egregious errors all over the field, and where was their ‘leader’ during this? (oh yeah hitting singles instead of homers)
-Fire the conditioning staff and find Herm Schneider 2.0
-Move Anderson, not to 2nd or the OF, but off the team, he can go have his litany of hamstring and groin issues somewhere else.
-Sign Adrus to be a place holder for Colson Montgomery at SS.
-Move Eloy to full time DH.
-Move Vaughn to first. Make Sheets a bench player occasionally at first, DH, and rarely in the OF.
-Challenge Moncada to stay healthy and produce, or send him to somewhere else and deal with Burger at third. (yeah he makes errors, but also hit the ball)
-Find a way to move Grandal, or cut bait and release him and his old man legs (Guys that have speed should be trying to generate walks)
– See what Colos can do in LF this coming Spring.
-Look for (sigh.. again) a FA 2nd baseman, RF, now LF, and catcher… AND stop bargain basement shopping for those guys!
-Have Martin in the 5th spot in the rotation and sign Cueto (if you can). Rotation should be something like: Lynn, Cueto, Cease, Kopech, and Martin as your starters next season. Crochet is in the Minors building up arm strength as a Starter.
User 2079935927
Guys like you crack me up. You think you have all the answers. You don’t know what goes on in that clubhouse. Fire that guy. Move this guy to 2nd. Blah blah blah .With all due respect. Shut the hell up.NRD1138
muzzachunka
This best post today. Well said Winslow Leach
nrd1138
Last I checked Im allowed to have an opinion, I have watched baseball for a long time, Im not going to claim I know all the answers but I think its pretty obvious what needs to happen on the club. Don’t like my comments, mute them and move on champ.
muzzachunka
Cueto will not repeat this tear. His track record says so
User 2079935927
Muzz- I have to deal with these type of guys on the Angels FB pages I belong too. Lol
Samuel
nrd1138;
Winning organizations have cooperation between the FO people and the manager and his people.
Have you ever managed people? Do you know what employees do to a manager and/or supervisor when they figure out that the VP is backing them over the manger / supervisor?
I repeat – this team has been playing little league defense and baserunning for 5-7 years now. Call up the Hawkerooo and ask him if I’m making that up. It’s been done through multiple managers by multiple players.
Player to be named in the future 2
Good Riddance. Managed more cheats in baseball than any other manager. Never mind his DWI’s. Biggest hypocrite in baseball
scottbour
Tony always thought he was the smartest guy in the room. It’s about time the Dinosaur retires OVERRATED.
User 2079935927
That’s what has been said about Maddon.
muzzachunka
#2 in career wins, Only surpassed by a manager ( Connie Mack) than owned the team he managed for 53 years. And lost 200+ games more than he won
Overrated not the word to describe the job LaRussa has done in his career..
The Dinosaur as you say is THE GOAT of managers….
User 2079935927
Something tells me there is something more to this. I don’t want to come off as a jerk. But he’s had heart issues. I think he’s been told he doesn’t have long to live. Or because of his heart it might not be a good idea for him to travel.
Peart of the game
Hmm, maybe take a look at a “Glue Guy” (Quoting from David Ross) “It’s a guy who’s unselfish and who’s a good teammate — the kind of guy I like to think I developed into. A guy who communicates well and who’s honest with his teammates and himself. Somebody the other guys can count on to offer advice or encouragement. He keeps everybody loose, but at the same time, focused.
Basically, it’s a guy who — in baseball clubhouses that often have age gaps, varying talent levels and even language barriers — just sort of keeps everything together.
To me, that’s the type of personality you want as the manager of your team.
Fred McGriff HR
I love how all the so called fair and unbiased people get on here and assert “he was too old” etc. Age has nothing to do with managerial abilities.. But it’s the old story, blame the Manager when the side doesn’t make the play-offs, irrespective of injuries to a club/roster, that’s the easiest way, blame the age of the manager.. La Russa wasn’t too old last year, and you didn’t hear peep out of all the “he’s too old” crowd.
Age discrimination and bigotry is a real thing, and it mostly comes from people who claim they’re not bigots, when in fact they are the biggest bigots of all.
Dusty Baker, “he’s too old”, he’s 73
Snitker is 66, “he’s too old”….
Jack McKeon, he was too old…
Bobby Cox, he was too old
Charlie Manuel, he was too old…..
Tommy Lasorda, he was too old
Sparky Anderson, he was too old…,
NashvilleJeff
Couldn’t agree w/you more Fred.
Shawn W.
There was no medical issue or it was a very brief one. He was politely relieved of his duties out of respect by the owner.
muzzachunka
The man has had pacemaker for years and you say no medical issues…save money and don’t get a medical license
Mystery Team
LaRussa got too much blame for this team’s shortcomings this season. The blame falls squarely on the guy that put all these soft one dimensional players together. Robert, Anderson, and Jimenez can’t stay on the field to save their lives and Lynn and Giolito flat out blew this season. There’s nothing LaRussa could have done to make this team a winner in fact that they finished where they did is amazing.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Yeah this guy was good. Any chance he’d be back as an adviser in Boston?
SliderWithCheese
Hope his shingles flare up in time for the press conference
WeWereGood
Being the White Sox, they’ll probably hire some fan fav like AJ Pierzynski or Jermaine Dye.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I understand that he’s a HoF manager, and deservedly so, and also that he’s forgotten more about how to manage a ballclub than most of us will ever know, but I still wish he hadn’t forgotten quite so much. He’s simply not a good manager anymore and I wish him the best in retirement. The only shame of it is the Sox will turn to someone else ill-suited to the job because they know JR. I wish for once they’d do a real search, but it just doesn’t seem likely.
msqboxer
Albert and Yadi are out of work at the end of the season…what this team needs is someone that can communicate and teach these players (Jimenez, Robert., Colas, Moncada) what it means to be prepared and strive to be the best and a team. Either way I hope that they get someone that these young dominican and cuban players can relate to and trust.
SliderWithCheese
Che Guevara is unavailable and those two bums you nominated wouldn’t work. Maybe the Dominicans and Cubans are the problem with the team.
msqboxer
The problem was Robert, Jimenez and Anderson playing less than 100 games this season. You take any division winner and remove 60 games from 3 of their top 4 players and they don’t win the division.
muzzachunka
Only 3 players played 130+ games. Injuries killed the team….I don’t care what others think…Injuries killed Sox chances, then Giolito turned into the real Giolito. Let him walk or trade for 4-5 gallon cans of bubble gum or baseballs
msqboxer
Giolito is ARB3 back out the 18 innings and 24 runs against Toronto and Houston and his season would have been ok. One good thing is the CWS didn’t extend him after 2021 and rolled the dice on 2022 and 2023.
cwsOverhaul
What are the odds of KW/Hahn being launched?
Until they hire executive talent from other successful organizations, they are not going to undo this mess.
Pads Fans
A sad ending to a HOF career. I wish him well with his health issues.
lilojbone
The White Sox should hire Stone Cold Steve Austin. There will be beers and stunners, which will equal raiting.
User 2079935927
Rick Flair would be a better choice.
lilojbone
It will be fun to watch Flair strut out of the dugout and place an umpire in the figure-four, but his post-game interviews will be worse than TL. Yet again, it will be very entertaining hearing him ramble and comparing the World Series to Space Mountain.
dasit
“with the seventeenth pick, the chicago white sox select left-handed pitcher hyun jin WOOO!”
nottinghamforest13
Bob Nightengale has a drinking problem and like all alcoholics cannot be trusted.
User 2079935927
Too bad Foster Brooks isn’t still alive. He shave his beard put on a black hair piece underneath White Sox cap. Put on those shades La Russa always wears.
Goes up to the podium. I like I like to thank you all for coooooming…
As you all know I have a fart a fart a faaaaarting, I mean a drinking problem.
And my cardiologist told told me my ticker will stoop tick tocking if I don’t put down the booooooze.
Btw, Anyone want a put put a head on my my beer?
dasit
“i look forward to devoting more time to my first love: drunk driving”
Hard to walk with four balls
He was a bum.
Boo that man.
tbone0816
I’d say it goes to Joe McEwing or Miguel Cairo!! If not them two maybe a dark horse candidate Paul Konerko
cubfanforever
If White Sox upper management will keep their hands off, and if he wants it, the answer to who replaces Tony La Russa is Bruce Bochy.
cubfanforever
Two words…..Bruce Bochy.
cubfanforever
Two words…….Bruce Bochy.