In conjunction with this post, Darragh McDonald held a Pirates-centric live chat on 10-19-22. Read the transcript here.
2022 went about as expected for the Pirates, who made very little effort to add to the team in the previous offseason. Instead, it was another year of letting their young players get their feet wet in the big leagues, with some encouraging results in that department.
Guaranteed Contracts
- Ke’Bryan Hayes, 3B: $60MM through 2029 (including buyout of 2030 club option)
- Bryan Reynolds, OF: $6.75MM through 2023 (with two remaining arbitration years after that)
Option Decisions
- None
Arbitration-Eligible Players
- Robert Stephenson
- Kevin Newman
- Miguel Andújar
- Mitch Keller
- JT Brubaker
- Duane Underwood Jr.
- Non-tender candidates: Stephenson, Newman, Underwood
Free Agents
The Bucs head into this offseason with very little on the books, as the Ke’Bryan Hayes extension is the only firm commitment. Bryan Reynolds avoided arbitration in April by agreeing to a two-year deal for 2022 and 2023, with a couple of passes through arbitration still to come after that. That’s only $16.75MM on the ledger for next year, which will be nudged up slightly by a couple of modest arbitration salaries from those that are tendered contracts. Otherwise, the payroll is fairly wide open for any additions the club wants to make.
They have previously run payrolls in the $100MM range but have been closer to $50MM while rebuilding in the past few years, according to numbers from Cot’s Baseball Contracts. That leaves them plenty of room to work with, though they will probably lean towards modest additions, if last winter is any precedent. A year ago, the club handed out a series of one-year deals to veterans like Roberto Pérez, Yoshi Tsutsugo, Heath Hembree, José Quintana, Jake Marisnick, Daniel Vogelbach and Andrew Knapp, none for higher than $5MM.
Of course, free agency isn’t the thing that Pittsburgh fans will look to for hope. The club’s prospects and other young players are the main event here, with lots of reasons for excitement in that department. Hayes has already established himself as a mainstay at the hot corner, able to provide a floor of elite defense even if his bat is still lacking. Last year, first full season, he hit .257/.316/.373. That production amounted to a wRC+ of 87, or 13% below league average. Still, he was able to produce 2.0 wins above replacement in the eyes of FanGraphs due to his excellent glovework. It was another similar season here in 2022, as Hayes hit .244/.314/.345 for a wRC+ of 88. But that subpar offense was paired with the best third base defense in the game, as Hayes produced 18 Outs Above Average, the top mark at the hot corner and trailing only Jonathan Schoop and Dansby Swanson for tops among all position players. Defensive Runs Saved is even more complimentary, as Hayes’s 24 DRS was the best of any position player across the league. Hayes also stole 20 bags, allowing him to produce 3.0 fWAR without adding much with the bat. He is still just 25 and could still be developing at the plate, which gives him the potential to be one of the most impactful players in the game if he takes a step forward in that department. Even if he doesn’t, he’s proven he can be a valuable player even with modest offensive contributions.
Next to Hayes on the infield is Oneil Cruz, who got a cup of coffee last year but truly debuted here in 2022. The young Cruz, who turned 24 this week, has some wrinkles in his game but has some of the most exciting elements as well. His Statcast page has blood red splotches thanks to his tremendous exit velocities and sprint speed. He also has one of the strongest throwing arms among infielders in the game. Everything he does is at an elite speed, from the way he runs and throws to the way he smashes the ball to smithereens. However, there are some areas where he is still figuring things out. One such area is plate discipline, with Cruz walking at a below-average 7.8% rate this year and striking out in a huge 34.9% of his plate appearances. Among batters with at least 350 plate appearances this year, only Joey Gallo and Chris Taylor struck out at a higher clip. Despite that, he was still above average at the dish overall, hitting .233/.294/.450 for a wRC+ of 106. Another area of uncertainty is defense, where Cruz is still an unknown commodity. There’s no real precedent for a shortstop like him, given his 6’7″ frame. The initial reviews on the experiment are mixed, with Cruz earning -9 OAA this year and a -7.5 from Ultimate Zone Rating, while DRS was kinder and gave Cruz a +1. He is still young and has less than one year of MLB experience at this point, so it’s possible Cruz could still develop. But given his speed and arm strength, he would likely make an excellent outfielder in the future if he doesn’t stick at short. With the Pirates unlikely to be contending for a while, they can keep the experiment going and see how Cruz responds next year.
While Hayes and Cruz should have the left side of the diamond spoken for, the right side is much less concrete. Rodolfo Castro, Kevin Newman, Ji Hwan Bae and Tucupita Marcano have been splitting the second base duties over the past few months, with no one seeming to run away with the job. Castro has shown some potential this year, hitting 11 home runs in 71 games and batting .233/.299/.427 overall for a wRC+ of 102. Newman took a step forward from 2021’s awful year at the plate but was still below average in the end. Last year, he hit .226/.265/.309 for a 53 wRC+ but got up to .274/.316/.372 and a wRC+ of 94 here in 2022. He’ll be due an arbitration raise on this year’s $1.95MM salary, though the club could just move on and non-tender him. Bae was promoted near the end of the season but has shown a potential to impact the game with his speed. He hit .289/.362/.430 for a 112 wRC+ in 108 Triple-A games this year, adding 30 steals in the process. In ten MLB games, he hit .333/.405/.424 while swiping another three bags. Marcano’s been up and down this year, playing well in the minors but not so well in the show. It’s possible the Bucs have an answer at the keystone in here somewhere, but all of these guys also play other positions, giving them the flexibility to pivot based on how things develop.
First base is even more wide open at this point, as most of the playing time this year has gone to guys who have already moved on or are about to. Yoshi Tsutsugo, Michael Chavis, Josh VanMeter, Yu Chang, Bligh Madris and Kevin Padlo all saw some time at first base this year but none of them are on the roster anymore. Ben Gamel has played a couple games there recently but is headed for free agency soon. That leaves the club with multi-positional options like Zack Collins and Diego Castillo on the depth chart going into next year, though it’s possible they bring in another low-cost free agent or waiver claim to take over here. Some of the free agent first baseman that likely won’t cost too much include Jesús Aguilar and Miguel Sanó.
In the outfield, there’s one firm building block in Reynolds. Despite constant trade rumors, the club has held firm and kept him around as part of the team. There’s a bit of a ticking clock, as Reynolds has just three years of team control remaining at this point. Though rebuilding teams can shed their embarrassing skin and become exciting in a hurry, as this year’s Orioles showed. They also held onto their center field trade candidate in Cedric Mullins and now seem poised to use him as part of contending teams for the next few seasons. The Bucs will hope to do the same with Reynolds. He had a third straight successful full season, hitting 27 home runs and batting .262/.345/.461 for a wRC+ of 125.
Who lines up next to Reynolds on the grass is a more open question. Bae has spent some time in the outfield and could wind up here if he doesn’t get the second base job. There’s Jack Suwinski, who hit 19 homers but also struck out 30.6% of the time and hit .202/.298/.411 overall for a wRC+ of 100. Miguel Andújar, recently claimed off waivers from the Yankees, could finally get the run of extended playing time he never got in the Bronx. Since his 2018 debut, he’s dealt with injuries and been relegated to a depth piece, mashing in the minors but struggling in brief stints in the majors. Castillo and Marcano could be in this mix as well, alongside Cal Mitchell, Canaan Smith-Njigba, Travis Swaggerty and other depth pieces.
Behind the plate, Pérez was injured early in the season and the club used Jason Delay and Tyler Heineman at the end of the year. Neither of those two have much experience and both are glove-first types who are better suited for a backup role. It’s likely the club fortifies this position with a veteran addition, with Pérez recently expressing his belief that he could be that guy again. If it’s not Pérez, the club could look to bring in another veteran catcher via free agency. The Bucs won’t spend to get Willson Contreras, but some of the other available options include Christian Vázquez, Omar Narváez, Austin Hedges and Tucker Barnhart.
Much like the position player side of things, the pitching staff features a host of youngsters who either will or won’t be part of the future. Mitch Keller seems to have taken a huge step forward here in 2022, dropping his ERA to 3.91 after registering a 6.17 mark last year. He’s still getting strikeouts at a below-average rate but improved his walk rate to a manageable level and is getting the ball on the ground more. After getting balls hit into the dirt on 40.4% of balls in play prior to this year, he had a 49% ground ball rate in 2022 thanks to adding a sinker to his repertoire.
Roansy Contreras got a three-inning cameo last year but got a more proper debut here in 2022. Over 95 innings, he put up a 3.79 ERA, 21.1% strikeout rate, 9.6% walk rate and 36.4% ground ball rate. He will turn 23 in November and look to take a step forward next season. 23-year-old Luis Ortiz made his MLB debut with a 4.50 ERA over four starts. He had a similar 4.56 ERA over 124 1/3 innings in the minors but with encouraging rate stats, striking out 27.1% of batters faced while walking just 7.5%. Johan Oviedo was bumped to the bullpen in St. Louis but returned to starting after coming to Pittsburgh in the José Quintana trade. In seven starts since switching jerseys, he has a 3.23 ERA, 20.9% strikeout rate and 54.5% ground ball rate, though with a concerning 11.9% walk rate in that sample.
Beyond that group, there’s a collection of depth guys who could fill out the rest of the staff. JT Brubaker had a 5.36 ERA last year but a 4.69 ERA this year with fairly similar peripherals, thanks to keeping the ball in the park more. He got taken over the fence 28 times in 124 1/3 innings last year but has reduced that number to just 17 long balls this year, despite increasing his workload to 144 frames. He’s eligible for arbitration this winter but should be kept around as a serviceable back-end guy. Bryse Wilson put up a 5.52 ERA in 115 2/3 innings while frequently getting sent to the minors. He won’t reach arbitration this winter but will be out of options next year, meaning he’ll have to be designated for assignment if the club ever wants to remove him from the active roster next year. Zach Thompson made 22 starts this year but got shifted to the bullpen as the season wore on. Although there are many intriguing arms overall, the Bucs could certainly sign another low-cost veteran like they did with Quintana a year ago, who could eat some innings and serve a mentor role before hopefully getting traded for prospects at the deadline.
In the bullpen, there’s a handful of young arms, but the top name is David Bednar. Since coming over from the Padres in the January 2021 deal that sent Joe Musgrove to San Diego, Bednar has fired 112 1/3 innings with a 2.40 ERA, 32.7% strikeout rate, 7.8% walk rate and 37.6% ground ball rate. He’s emerged as the club’s closer in that time, notching 19 saves here in 2022. He’s been the subject of trade rumors already and likely will be again, though the Pirates shouldn’t feel much pressure to move him given he can be controlled through the 2026 season. Behind him, it’s a hodgepodge of younger depth arms and journeymen. The club could certainly grab a couple of veterans in the offseason, unless they are dead set on giving their existing arms as much run as possible.
In addition to the exciting players that have already cracked the big leagues, the Pirates will also be looking forward to some future debuts. The club’s top pitching prospect Quinn Priester reached Triple-A by the end of the year but spent most of his season at Double-A, registering a 2.87 ERA with a 24% strikeout rate, 7.1% walk rate and 51% ground ball rate. Endy Rodriguez, an interesting catching prospect who also plays infield and outfield, also made it up to Indianapolis by season’s end. Across multiple levels, he hit .323/.407/.590 this year. A bit further away are some other prospects of note, such as Henry Davis, Liover Peguero, Nick Gonzales and many others.
There are certainly things to be excited about here, but the return to meaningful games doesn’t seem especially close. The Pirates finished 62-100, a modest one-game improvement over last season, and still have a lot of ground to make up before they are genuine contenders. With the club unlikely to be major spenders, it will take continued development from within to get them over the hump. Another offseason of small commitments is likely to come, with 2023 likely pegged as another year of letting the kids play and seeing where it goes.
OKBaseballFan
The Pirates I think should look to resign Perez as a veteran and hope he has a half-decent season and trade him at the deadline. I believe he could help mentor some of the up-and-coming catchers for the Pirates like Endy Rodriguez and Henry Davis during Spring Training. Davis especially could use the defensive help; MLB has his field tool at 45.
fre5hwind
They need to resign Keller.
YourDreamGM
Not a free agent.
fre5hwind
Ah, thought he was.
FarhanFan22
I feel bad for Pirates fans. That team has been losing my whole lifetime. Hopefully they get the Dodgers to trade another Oneil Cruz for a reliever.
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Farhan-You are a very bright young man at six years old.
The Pirates had the second best record in all of baseball during the years 2013,14,and 15.
louwhitakerisahofer
… and the 20 years prior?
That was a fun 3 years (possibly highlighted by an irate Sean Rodriguez vs the Gatorade cooler).
But Farhan isn’t wrong… Bucco’s fans deserve better. Hopefully, with all these young guys coming up in 2023/2024 and a couple under the radar FA moves, 2024 can be exciting.
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Lou- I have been a Pirate fan since before your favorite player was born I indeed remember that historic period,and not fondly.
Farhan was just being a nice guy but many posters do not recall those three years because of the last 3 1/2 years.
My favorite was when Cueto dropped the ball.
And SRod was just showing the fervor that he played with,which is something that this current team needs.
Bucco fans do deserve better,thank you for repeating it,But Mariners and Phillies fans do too,and so does the fans of the teams that cannot habitually have winning teams because of the unlimited financial resources that they do not have.
louwhitakerisahofer
Mendoza – I’m right there age wise with you my friend. Grew up in East Liberty and would ride my bike over to Forbes in the 60’s. Good memories.
I was at the Cueto game. Absolutely the loudest moment in PNC’s history. I’d like to hear more of those loud playoff moments as soon as 2024. That we can agree on.
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Lou- My dad’s best friend was from East Liberty,and he got him to move to the town that we lived in 1962.I was nine years old,and it was still the height of Bucco mania.
I still have my baseball card collection from 1959-1968.My mother knew not to do anything adverse with them.She even told me wisely not to trade my singles.
We used to shop at the Sears store in the heart of the town.Not sure that it would be safe to do so anymore.
I still have dreams about Forbes Field.I attended the last games,a doubleheader with the Cubs.
Tiredolddude and The Man are also in our age group Thank God we are still good lookin’.
Where have the years gone young man?Those were the days.
YourDreamGM
4 years old. 2018 winning record. Buyers at deadline.
StudWinfield
Is Cruz really a long term SS? Or is he just an interesting freak of nature and they have no one better to play there. With that arm and height you’d think he’d make a good OF’er.
bucsfan0004
The pitching is borderline awful, but improving, so ideally you’d like to see a better glove at SS. Cruz is 24 and has barely any reps in the OF… let’s blame management for that. But with his speed and arm, he will be in the field somewhere everyday going forward.
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I forgot about his speed but that would play very well in right field also.
I do not know if Bae is viable in center field or not but those two would cover a lot of ground.Reynolds is better in left field.
bucsfan0004
Newman gives a quality at bat vs lefties, and has a superb glove. He is a major league player… which is more than can be said of many of the players the Pirates rolled out for most of 2022. If you are a fan of Newman and want to compare him to another recent major league SS, Newman’s ceiling would top out as a Jordy Mercer type.
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And Mercer was the unsung hero of the fine Pirate teams in the middle of the last decade.
bucsfan0004
I was replying to something below and it stuck my reply up here. I use the app now and it really sucks
YourDreamGM
He improved a lot this year. Maybe he can improve some more. A real 1b or at least one that isn’t a dwarf would help.
Rsox
The Pirates would be foolish to non-tender Newman. If they don’t have a place for him he certainly has enough value to at least bring back a lottery ticket or two in a trade.
Out of Sano and Aguilar i would take Aguilar. I think they have a Sano type in Miguel Andujar if he’s given a chance (Andujar should be first in line for DH AB’s next season).
Perez wants to come back and will probably be cheap to re-sign, pair with Collins and the Pirates catching situation will at least be slightly better than this past season.
I like an OF of Mitchell/Reynolds/Suwinski
Keller and Brubaker will be tendered. Contreras and Oviedo weren’t terrible and they have several other 5th options and they will likely add the obligatory veteran in hopes of flipping him at the deadline
Samuel
“The Pirates would be foolish to non-tender Newman.”
Rsox;
Newman is one of my 100 favorite MLB players to watch; and easily the top one on the Pirates.
The thing about good field / no hit SS’s is that most don’t recognize how important they are to a baseball team until they get on a good team. The Braves were winning with Dansby Swanson’s poor offense for years, now that he’s started to hit this year (not at all an odd occurrence for a middle infielder in their late 20’s) many of the fans that complained about him and wanted him replaced are posting that their team should sign him. I’ve seen SS’s that hit in the .220’s whose manager said were the MVP of the team.
I hope Kevin can get with a good team this offseason and start at SS for them. The Pirates are going to continue to suck up to Cruz (which will prove detrimental to his career) while Peguero (SS) and Gonzales (2B) should be called up next year. Kevin Newman should be allowed to play for a decent team that will give him playing time at SS in 2023. The Pirates can get a decent prospect back for him – preferably a pitcher.
SouthernBuc
I like Kevin Newman but I think you are over valuing him when you compare him to Swanson. Swanson has been a decent to good hitter for years and was never really a bad hitter outside of his first full year. Saying he started to hit this year when he hit 27 HRs last year and was on a more than 20 pace in the shortened season is not reflective of his production. . Being in Brave country, IMO the fans complained about his hitting more because he was a former #1 pick in the draft and were comparing him to the Lindor’s of the league. I do agree that good fielding shortstops are undervalued, but outside of one year Newman has graded out as average at best. I truly do like the guy and certainly wouldn’t DFA him, but I also don’t think he will be highly sought out by other teams.
MyCommentIsBetter
Samuel continues to compare Newman to Swanson on posts and it’s insanely incorrect.
TheMan 3
Perez is obviously getting older and has been injury prone over the past several years. While I agree he needs to sign, his backup can’t be from a dumpster dive as it was this season. I realize Delay was drafted, he wasn’t a solid backup receiver and the others that put on a Pirate uniform, were indeed scraps taken from the waiver wire
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Paul-Delay and Heinamen are very good AAA depth pieces.
I had strongly faulted BC for not getting an adequate backup veteran to a 33 year old catcher.I have since realized that it was probably Nutting’s cheapness that kept him from doing so.
TheMan 3
Yeah I like 3 outfielders that will strike out each 100 times
For all of the storybook season of power Suwinsky had, he struck out twice as many times as had hits
Macbeth
If cruz has to play SS I’d non tender him because Bae needs every day at bats at 2B or somewhere. But like everyone I hope cruz doesn’t play SS. Then you can have Bae and Newman for middle infield and I’m fine with that because Nick Gonzalez and Peguero will need more time.
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Mac-I would just tell Cruz that like a lot of other players they want him to play two positions and the second one is right field.
I would compare his arm to Clemente’s.
I would tell him that the line drive singles that he reaches at shortstop would be line drive triples in right field..
I would also use him at shortstop to rest Newman or in case of an injury..If Peguero does not turn out adequately then Cruz would have the potential to go back to shortstop.
I would make sure that he can do well in rf by drilling him incessantly in spring training.
I would also tell him that it is for the good of the team and hopefully he is not a me first ball player.
TradeAcuna
Off season outlook: Pirates will still stink in 2023.
fre5hwind
Finally someone understands our new ending suffering!
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Fresh-Nothing new about it.
I think that you meant never.
That darn spell check!
fre5hwind
Sorry I meant never.
rdiddy75
I really like Contreras. I believe he will be their best starting pitcher by the end of next year. He has great stuff.
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Diddy-I do too.I think Oviedo May turn out to be a steal on BC’s part too.
I had hopes for Wilson and Thompson but they may be better multi inning relievers.I think that Brubaker just got tired.
Ortiz is a wild card and almost certainly needs more seasoning.
Keller should be the opening day pitcher.
BC should work his magic and find another good starter on the baseball heap.
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Rsox-Once again I generally agree with you on almost everything that you said,
Newman should be the starting shortstop with Cruz moved to right field.
Suwinski can play left with Reynolds in center.
Perez should be resigned but one hit wonder Collins will not be.They will need that 40 man space as they are becoming quite valuable for the young Pirates.
Stephenson should be kept as he was OK at the end of the year.
Gamel will not be back as Mitchell will be the fourth outfielder,
I think that Underwood May have finally pitched his last for the Pirates as they may very well need his spot for a young pitcher.
If they cannot trade for Hall from the Phillies then Aguilar would be a good stopgap first baseman.
If the Pirates were managed and coached properly and they were lucky enough not to have injuries they could actually have a decent team next year with a few good additionsThe lack of depth is a constant problem for many small market teams unless the minor league system is near excellent.
tiredolddude
I think the overall negative that jumped out to me this year was the fact that there was absolutely no progress in terms of young players learning. Sure, some may need more than a season to show what they are capable of, but in every facet of the game the same mistakes or lack of awareness were evident. One must wonder if this is an organization-wide failure
I originally thought Shelton was the caretaker here, plugging kids in and allowing them to get their feet wet. But clearly, that’s not enough. I don’t know the names of young coaches who have the ability to teach and communicate to such a green group…especially Latin players, but there must be options out there
Fundamentals. Basics. Whether it’s pitching, hitting, fielding or base running…whether it’s game strategies or situational baseball, game in and game out even the most casual viewer had periods of wanting to bang his or her head against the wall
Very odd period here. You have this pipeline of young talent in place, with no one who knows how to develop them
Rsox
This makes you wonder why they choose Shelton over Joey Cora, Rod Barajas or even a baseball lifer like Sandy Alomar Jr. Knowing they had a strong core of young latin players coming. Maybe those guys didn’t want the job, who knows. But Shelton’s job seems like just keeping the boat floating in the water
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Tired- I generally agree with what you said.It behooves BC to make sure that it does not happen in the future.This is why NH lost his job as he responded too late to the poor scouting and teaching methods employed by his minor league staff.
Samuel
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Is it the staff or is it the players?
After NH lost this job did a number of Pirates players go to other organizations and do well? I really don’t know, other than the trade with the Rays.
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Some of the players who were traded did well.I think that there were various reasons and almost all were pitchers.
I am certainly not saying that the players are not part of it.But look at the Dodgers.They not only have the most money in the sport they have developed what may he the best scouting and player development program in all of baseball.
The Pirates are not destined to get a fine former ML manager with good experience.It is also difficult for them to attract the best and brightest minor league coaches and scouts..Winnng begets winning,and everyone wants to play and work for a winner.
After good scouting picks good players and good coaching teaches players it is up to the players to perform,so it takes all three to make it work.
davemlaw
Perhaps wait to post this until the Phillies are eliminated? Just a thought MLBTR and it’s sound advice.
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Dave-They just did the Cardinals and Rays so I think that they beat you to the punch.
davemlaw
you know what, I thought this was a Phillies recap, I didn’t read the article.
DonOsbourne
In terms of talent, the Pirates are not as far away as people think. Even their pitching staff features a lot of live arms with potential for development. But there seems to be a leadership void. I don’t know much about Shelton, but I think it’s fair to say he’s not a high impact leader.
They should consider Mike Shildt. He stresses fundamentals, preparation, and execution. People were critical of his bullpen usage, but the Pirates have a ways to go before that would even be a concern.
They should also consider signing Jason Heyward and Carlos Santana to low cost deals. The young players could learn a lot from these two. The advantage of these guys over someone like Aguilar is credibility. Heyward and Santana have been highly sought after, and highly paid for their approach to the game. Their bank accounts will get the attention of young players even if speeches and lectures won’t.
UWPSUPERFAN77
Less than 5 million each, if that.
tiredolddude
In general, players are a reflection of your manager. Too often, Pirates players had no pride and no fire this year. I get it—I’m a dinosaur. My way of thinking goes back a few decades. But these guys often played like zombies who didn’t care about the outcomes (maybe it’s a Pittsburgh thing, given the way the zombies in Steelers uniforms played today)
Schildt would be an upgrade but I’m not sure how many established managers—or even players—wish to come here anymore and risk killing their reputations. And the rebuild is another thing. Even Leyland didn’t want to stick around after the fire sale almost 30 years ago
A manager who can inspire, communicate and lock down fundamentals while developing this young group would be optimal. And especially someone who can communicate with Latin players
As for free agency, Jews—someone who still has fire. Someone who can illustrate the pride of wearing a uniform. Not a lot of those types who wish to play in Pittsburgh
DonOsbourne
I’m thinking Schildt would like the opportunity to stick it to the Cards.
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Tired-I think that they became zombies only when the losing got to them after Bednar went down..They started losing a lot of games late when Shelton was using the same guys over and over again instead of experimenting.You cannot change human nature and I think that this is a very big reason why Reynolds does not want to sign here long term.
tiredolddude
We seem to have a corner on coaches/managers who have either lost control of their team or are the kind that players tune out in this town, at least where two sports teams are concerned
While I can agree that losing breeds apathy, among other things, it’s the very point where good managers or coaches excel
Yes, human nature is what it is, but it responds via perceptions
Whether it’s a lack of fire, the failure to grasp the immediacy of the situation, the failure to inspire younger players—it all falls on the guy or guys who are in charge.
No, once players perceive there is no immediacy, no pride to wear the uniform, no fire…. that’s when you have lackluster efforts.
What a miserable time to be a Pittsburgh sports fan
YourDreamGM
@Mendoza Reynolds doesn’t want to sign long-term because they only want to pay him half of what he would get in free agency. Probably a good decision by pirates.
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I thought of Shildt and think that he would probably do a good job but he may or may not want it unless as you say to stick it to the Cardinals.
Bullpen use seems to be a problem for most managers,
They do not have room on their roster for Heyward and Santana. And I do not think that they need them.
They should bring back Cutch.
DonOsbourne
I thought about Cutch, but the problem would be moving on if it didn’t work out. If Heyward or Santana flop, they can just cut the cord and move on. If Cutch struggles, they find themselves in an awkward Matt Carpenter last season with St. Louis situation.
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They would only give him a one year contract and he would slow up someone’s progress but he would have to know that he would not be playing a lot and mostly DHing.
You raise a good point though.
But he would be perfect in this situation and would show class and dignity too and I think he still has enough ability left to be respected highly in the club house.
YourDreamGM
Leadership might be the only thing Shelton brings. Team fought and played hard for him. Players seem to like him. As far as teaching players and managing I haven’t seen anything.
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The players played hard most of the year but the losing got them down towards the end of the year which is only human nature.
Shelton is probably liked by the players because he backs them and encourages them but he does not seem to have tough love.
This is not leadership.
Leadership in players is what Cutch has been and Harper is with the Phillies.It has to be strongly based on performance to stick and for other players to listen.
Shelton has tried but he has not performed well enough as manager to be the leader that these young players need to follow.
UWPSUPERFAN77
If Cruz played all games against my Brewers, he would be all world.
DonOsbourne
Congrats to the Padres! Ouch for the Mets and double ouch for Cohen.
I speak the truth
I heard the trumpet play taps.
drasco036
The Mets completely mis-handled the trade deadline, imo. They should have made a “big” trade or two to significantly improve their roster but instead made a couple tweaks that ended up back firing. If Vogelbach, Ruf and Givens was your answer, then you really were addressing the wrong question. I understand they wanted to avoid another PCA scenario but post season wins are certainly cooler than prospects.
Now let’s see how their off-season goes, will DeGrom opt out after his stumbles the last 4-5 games of the year? Are they going to back the dump truck up and give Diaz a record contract for a closer? Going to replace Nimmo? Should be an interesting off-season for Met fans
YourDreamGM
Paid a high price for Vogey but he was a good bat. Ruf was a mega overpay for a weaker bat. Baez was over pay. Most things Mets do are bad moves. Trading for Lindor meh. Giving him premium free agent contract for a extension awful. Dodgers and even Yankees put out blueprint on how to run a 200 million plus payroll. No idea why other teams don’t follow it.
41em
It seems to me that the only competition the Pirates organization is really committed to is to have the lowest payroll in baseball. They are getting fierce competition from the Oakland, so it is likely they will finish second.
Someday the Pirates may realize that the only way to build a good team is to invest in the team, all aspects of the team – players, development, scouting, etc.
TheMan 3
The organization doesn’t care about putting a competitive team on the field.
There was an article in the Athletic last year, after Nutting receives their share of the luxury tax, which essentially pays the salaries, it’s all profit
Ticket sales, merchandise sales, share of the national television contract, local television contract and food and beverage shares at PNC Park goes towards the owner’s profit margin
Nothing will change until Nutting sells the Pirates
tiredolddude
Exactly. That interview with Mark Cuban a couple years ago, after some viewed him as the only savior of this woeful franchise, said as much. The attendance comments are a facade—the guy could not care less, as he continues to become fabulously more rich by doing the minimum. What a great gig
Given the way money is spread around thanks to the MLB’s system, there is little impetus for a businessman who doesn’t care about wins to spend. And it will be this way for the foreseeable future
YourDreamGM
Zero reason to spend money on players during a rebuild. Especially one during a health crisis with zero or limited fans. Scouting and development has improved from the low set bar. It needs to get much better. I don’t believe money is holding it back. Only been rebuilding 2 years. 2020 they only traded Marte and had a 5 round draft with limited scouting. I figured 2024 would be the first real chance at winning record so will give them another year.
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They have wanted another year for a year or two now.
Other teams rebuild in two maybe three years.
They gave away both Marte and Bell when they did not have to do so.They would have gotten more in return if they had waited.
That can be dangerous to do with pitchers but neither was a pitcher.Marte was very valuable and Bell filled a big hole that clearly has not been filled.
There is nothing written that rebuilding teams have to lose 100 games three years in a row.
YourDreamGM
They wouldn’t have gotten more. Nationals improved Bell and even then didn’t get much for him. Arizona Miami didn’t do better than Pittsburgh trading Marte. 70 win seasons vs 60 win doesn’t sell anymore tickets. Best to dump the salary. Wish they lost more games. Rather had Jones over Johnson. What teams rebuild in 2 years? Baltimore KC Det have been rebuilding since 2017 2018 and maybe Baltimore is ready to contend next year. KC isn’t impressing me and Det looks like they are another 5 years away. Best case Houston Chicago who made the strategy popular took 4 years. Now with a third of the league rebuilding each year I don’t see many teams beating 4 years.
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I remember in early 2019 I either thought or posted about the Royals,Marlins,Tigers,and Orioles fans and how much empathy that I had for them.
Now I ask Orioles fans and others to have the same for the Pirates.
I think that the small market teams like the Rays,Guardians,A’s,and Brewers have had turnarounds in 2,maybe 3 years that get them back to being competitive for the playoffs at least.
What is the difference between the two sets of teams?
The Orioles have seemed to have finally emerged,but I am afraid that if the Pirates are not greatly embarrassed by the Historical team incompetency of an equivalent 111 and 101 and 100 loss seasons that they are destined to the same fate of the other three teams.
All other posters and I asked for was modest improvement and it was not shown this year.I wanted them to win 71 games.
They need to make changes to be able to do so next year.
Or it will be the same Yada Yada Yada.
YourDreamGM
A’s had 3 years and 5 years stretches of no playoffs. Brewers 6 years. Rays 5 years. Clev 5 years but yes a strong last 9 years. Those 4 teams have some of the best scouting and development in baseball. Pirates had Nutting and Huntington. The new blueprint is to reload instead of rebuild so might see some 2 3 year turnarounds.
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We may have different definitions of rebuilds.If a team is consistently over 500 then they have rebuilt as they are at least competitive and have a chance for the playoffs.This was the modus operandi for the Pirates under NH as a small market team.
Then in 2019 the bottom fell out.
According to my definition since the year 2000 it took the Brewers and Rays four years and the As three years to get back to being over 500.
No one of the four small market teams mentioned reached the nadir of disgrace that the Pirates have reached,so it makes sense that it would take the Pirates longer.The problem is that no improvement has not shown up in wins during the season.
They have become the laughingstock of much of baseball and that is very embarrassing to the long time Pirate fans on this site.
They needed to show improvement this year and the lack of fundamentals and poor management has seriously jaundiced our outlook on this team.I am just afraid that the same do loop that certain teams have found themselves in for the 5-6 years will be the Pirates in two more years.
YourDreamGM
Yes we do. I don’t consider a team rebuilt until they at least make the playoffs. Especially with 10 and now 12 teams making them. Probably why those teams haven’t one a world series. I believe in the Cubs Astros model. Sell every single piece and load up the farm. Load up on top overall draft picks and hopefully get a few elite players. We have different views which is fine. I don’t want to see the pirates improve slightly and win 70 games. If they can’t make the playoffs I want them to win 60 games. Even 50. Whatever ot takes to get the top 3 draft odds. Not hard to do the past 3 seasons. Next season it’s going to be hard and that’s fine. Nothing you can do when all the young talent starts to come together.
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Tanking in baseball is way overrated.I know that the Astros in particular were absolutely horrid for four years,.It depends on the definition of tanking for them.If they sold off their players then that is stripping down and can be called tanking.If they do not care about winning,that can be called tanking.But the difference between the best and worst teams is the first overall draft choice.Even then that is not a given to work,although it usually does at least In getting a fine player.The Nationals got Strasburg and Harper,the Pirates got Cole.
It works in basketball and hockey,and can work in football in getting the best quarterback,but much less often in baseball.
The Astros won because they had one of the best scouting and development organizations in baseball.
The Dodgers win because they have one of the same.It does not matter where they draft.
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Trade of Marte before 2020 season getting minor leaguers started rebuild after horrendous second half of 2019.
They basically just got Peguero for him.Other teams did not get much more but he was cited as the best center fielder in a weak class and has done very well in NY this year.
YourDreamGM
Marte was a fine player. Malone was a 1st round talent and a great prospect. Just can’t stay healthy. Hard to predict that. Most prospects don’t amount to much or anything. Miami didn’t get anything for him. They got a pitcher that Oakland couldn’t develop. They just happened to be one of the few teams that thought they could out develop Oakland.
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It has surprised me that Marte has not garnered better returns.And you are correct about injuries to young players.I am not sue why that has been for Marte.
YourDreamGM
I thought the Pirates return was fine. Pretty much 2 late 1st or early 2nd talent picks. He wasn’t a good ideal cf,just passable. What if he tested positive for performance enhancing again? 31 years old. Surplus value sure but not cheap. I wasn’t worried about a virus much at that time but I bet mlb owners were. Solid return. Bell felt a little light but he was a inconsistent hitting dh. Yet 3 worst teams without him. With him we probably don’t get Johnson or Green. I seen a drop in talent and safety after them.
DTD/ATL1313
Cruz should never play another inning at SS. Just tell him to start working on the OF now and the organization will be better off.
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DTD-They have hyped him so much and coddled him that that may never happen.He is not fundamentally sound and has a good many throwing errors because he does not get set.He would make a very good rightfielder and nobody would be running on him but the Pirates should have made that switch before now.I have given up on it.
tiredolddude
They have put so much time and money into the hype about the young players coming up—primarily Cruz—that there is no going back. From all reports, Cruz has balked at a position change but what recourse does management have at this point? The few fans that still go to games are thrilled about the speed of his home runs and throws from short and disregard everything else. They’ve bought in, much as they have in Hayes becoming a superstar
I’m somewhat amazed at what ownership has done to kill the fan base here. To them, it’s not about baseball at all
YourDreamGM
He improved a lot this year. Give him another year. No idea if he will get better but many others have so why not him? I much prefer throwing errors over fielding errors when trying to improve a player.
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Not sure why fielding errors are worse than throwing errors when the latter is quite often caused by defects in the former.
Both types lose games.
YourDreamGM
Easier to fix.
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Maybe,but not if his footwork is bad which should have been learned in the low minors if he was going to be a ML shortstop.
YourDreamGM
Trade him to Atlanta. Ron will get him right. Or Washington. They got Bell throwing solid enough in a few weeks.
DTD/ATL1313
Atlanta already has one worthless POS in Ozuna, let’s not add another in Cruz.
YourDreamGM
I don’t care that some drunks or idiots on a motorbike with no lights ran in front of his car. If he done something else I haven’t heard about it.
DTD/ATL1313
He was under the influence, had no business being on the road.
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Regarding Bell,it totally befuddled me why he was ever allowed to play using what I call a “noodle arm”.I figured that it was something congenital with him.I do not know how he would have ever gotten to the major leagues if any professional organization allowed him to throw like that.
It seems that this coaching group may be as bad as the last one.
Maybe they should hire Ron Washington to get them straight.
YourDreamGM
He was never charged with driving under the influence. So either it was fake news or the police and family would rather have a little bit of cash instead of justice. I don’t think Cruz had much money to pay off that many people and please don’t tell me Bob Nutting paid them.
DTD/ATL1313
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MyCommentIsBetter
Fire Shelton
TheMan 3
and take Haines with him
Monkey’s Uncle
Bleak, as usual
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Umm..Did they forget about Miguel Andujar, who I believe will be their starting 1B next year? Or did I not read the article closely enough?
kozy21
No mention of Mike Burrows in AAA. Another borderline top 100 pitching prospect. Rodriguez, Priester, Davis, Gonzales, and Peguero will all start at AAA next year and all are top 100 prospects. That’s nothing to sniff at. Not to mention, Cruz slashed .279/.348/.508 over his last 30 games. This team needs a legit 1B, a veteran starter, and an upgraded bullpen and they could legitimately compete in a mediocre NL Central next year.
YourDreamGM
Burrows Peguero won’t be in my top 100. They have potential but not currently top 100 worthy.
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FWIW,this is my best guess on what the Pirates should do for next year based on the current roster and a few additions of reasonable price.
Starting lineup. Others AAA depth
Bae-cf. Cutch DH. Heinaman c
Newman SS. Mitchell of. DeLay c
Reynolds lf. Marcano util. Castillo util
Cruz rf. Stallings c. Ortiz sp
Andujar 1b. FA util. Thompson sp
Suwinski DH. Stephenson rp
Castro 2b
Hayes 3b
Perez c
Starting pitching
Keller(ods)
Contreras
FA
Oviedo
Brubaker
Relievers
Banuelos left
Wilson long
Crowe middle
DeJong middle
Ramirez set up
Holderman set up
De Los Santos closer
Bednar closer
YourDreamGM
I like cutch not because I think he can still play but to trick fans to increase season tickets. Not sure Miami will admit failure on Stallings and he wasn’t as bad as people think. Just awful start. Not sure how great Bae is in Center but you are telling Reynolds he has to move, I’m not. Rather have Crowe late instead of Santos. Crowe was just over used. Santos never looked as good as early season Crowe.
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Crowe was overused early but clearly one of the reasons that Shelton has to go is he kept on using him as the closer and got the same result every time.This is the definition of stupidity.Both Crowe and De Jong are good in the 6th-7th innings but not later.They do not have the hutzpah and skill to pitch there.
Del los Santos has real talent which just has to be refined.
Cutch would not be a trick to anyone but would give the player leadership that is clearly lacking and bring class to the organization which is also sorely lacking.
Same with Stallings,although they would have to give up a decent minor leaguer in order to get him.unless the Marlins non tender him.
Reynolds does OK in centerfield But was put there after they traded Marte and did not have an in house replacement.Bae would have to prove himself there in spring training and may be better suited for the infield but they have plenty of young players there for now.Reynolds was always a corner outfielder before and Bae’s speed is quite good.
YourDreamGM
Shelton Ben and everyone else can go. No reason to over use Crowe and Bednar.
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I don’t think Cherington deserves to be fired as he has generally done as good of a job as he could do under the salary cap imposed on him
He just should not have given credence to a manager who has the lowest winning % ever.
They need change if for no other reason to jump start becoming a good team.
YourDreamGM
No manager is winning much better with those players. Cherington is a huge upgrade but just a middle of the pack gm right now. I will give him another 2 years at this point.
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I do not think that Shelton can lead this team to victory and a change needs to be made if only to make a change.
BC May be afraid to make a change as he would be the next one to go if he picked the wrong next manager.
A GM should have five years unless it is clear that he is in over his head.
Three years is plenty for a manager,although you are correct,nobody would have won. a lot more games with these teams.
By all means this is. a total organizational failure to show improvement at this point.But they have done nothing to effect change and that is what I am worried about.
YourDreamGM
Shelton could be awful. It looks like Cherington has instructed him to just get playing time and go with the game script and not focus on winning. If Shelton has full control of the lineups and who pitches he is horrible and should have been fired a year ago.
joew
Keller may get a fair increase. he was pretty good near the end of the season. early on in 2023..
1b: Martin
2b: Newman
3B: Hayes
SS: Peguero
OF: Reynolds
OF: Cruz
OF/IF: Bae
OF/IF: Andujar
C: ???
Starters: Keller, Contreras are the only ones that have a job as of now. Others that started in 2022 will probably be back there but those two are the only ones that will be.
Relief is a crap shoot. De Jong and Bednar for sure. Oviedo, Los Santos, probably after that.. hard to say
A handful of project players to fill in spots at catcher, 1b and pitching. Perez hopefully on the cheap with bonuses
tiredolddude
Between you and MendozaLine, I’m a little taken aback by some choices here. First off, I’d wonder why Cutch and Stallings would opt to return to baseball Siberia unless there is absolutely nothing on the table, and that’s doubtful. I like both guys but cmon
I don’t think anyone in this organization has the chutzpah to move Cruz at this point, which is astounding to say about a rookie. They’ve mortgaged everything in pumping out the idea that Hayes and he are future superstars, and as Cruz has apparently been resistant to the idea of moving, having either become a malcontent is a PR train wreck
I agree about Keller. I think Oviedo has real potential. I think Contreras is also a valuable piece. And that’s where it ends for starting pitching. Haven’t we seen enough of Wilson and Thompson already?
I’m going to be very interested to see how the “ other” young stars on the farm push to play on the big club. Peguero, Swaggerty, Ngiba and even Davis….Priester and a number of young arms.
Given what we just witnessed, in a purely baseball sense, is there anyone other than Reynolds’s perhaps who should be a lock to have a starting slot?
joew
@tiredolddude
I didn’t mention Cutch but If he is finishing out his career I think he would want to do so in pittsburgh. I believe he still lives here. I wouldn’t pay 10m a year for him with the pirates situation, but i’d give him a 1 year contract with multiple cheap options so he can stay if there is a spot for him
I can see stallings not being too upset about returning. He would get playing time and he is generally liked. Face it.. if he becomes available no one will sign him as an everyday guy.
IMO the biggest thing holding the pirates back is pitching top to bottom. Keller coming around the 2nd half though makes me very happy 🙂
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Joe- This was my best estimate based on what they have now and can fairly readily get.
Martin will never make the majors as he is destined to strike out almost half the time and would need to hit 50 homers a year just to stick.
Peguero May be there two years down the line but I am a stickler for these guys proving themselves in AAA first.
If Bae can play cf then they would have uncommon speed in rf and cf.
joew
@Mendoza Line
Martin is pretty much the only 1b they have. People talk about Andujar trying it out but has no real experience there.. you don’t want to throw him in with Cruz at short BUT he still is worth a shot there if his bat is playing. Martin’s power is great and could be a 30-40HR guy. I think they tried changing his approach this year. He did do better later in the year but his power went away the 2nd half. He also had quite a bit of time with Cruz at short so he is probably pretty used to his throws. IMO he should get most of the time in spring. If it works great, if not, well.. not really losing anything.
Peguero has already been in the MLB. he still needs some work but I can see him coming out of spring if things go well.
I rather have Bae in the infield But he is the type of guy i’d try to fit in anywhere. I could.
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Joe- I hope that you are right about Martin but unfortunately in order to have his fine power he may not be able to cut down on the strikeouts which were 41% I think last year.I just think that there is such a great difference between the quality of pitching in AAA and the majors that he would be lost coming up now.
I honestly think that Andujar could become a fine hitter given a consistent chance and the only place to put him if Cruz goes to the outfield would be first base.
I agree with you on Bae but he did not seem to be lost in cf and played well in his debut and having him and Cruz there would almost be like softball with the fourth outfielder.
Peguero did have the highest batting average on the Pirates last year but his hitting in the minor leagues was not all that impressive and I think that that is where they need to prove themselves first.
joew
I agree on martin with what was shown in recent times. he improves his BB/K rate with the power he has he should be just fine. I picture him as a better fielding Pedro… of course that doesn’t really say much haha.
Yeah Andujar hasn’t gotten much of a chance after his rookie season, injuries having some say in that. I think the Yankees gave up too soon.
Peguero’s first half in the minors was pretty decent. after he got sent back down he was pretty horrible.
YourDreamGM
Martin lol. Pirate fans still believing in that fantasy? Peguero is more likely to repeat AA than start at MLB. AAA at best early 2023. Catcher Perez or other under 5 million option.
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Tired-Do you think that Cutch and Stallings are going to have a lot of options?They have already played with the Pirates in lean times and know what it is like.
I am an eternal optimist in certain respects when reality escapes me.I have lost a Phillies/ Pirates total win bet with a friend 5 of 6 years largely because I have overestimated the Pirates win total
Cutch is really now no more than a reasonably good DH against left handed pitching.
Stallings may not even be tendered by the Marlins.I saw a very recent post on what they need is leadership and who better to give it than those two.
You may very well be right about Cruz but then they need new leadership which is a whole ‘nother problem.
We have seen one year of Wilson and Thompson.Both had some very good moments but were not consistent enough.Sandy Koufax is retired.From our era a team always had a “long man” and either of these guys may excel at it.
You are excited about prospects but they cannot be relied upon until they prove themselves at AAA and none of those that you cited have done so.
This is a suggested list and very well could change at the end of spring training.It is the best that I can do at this point,but I do think that it has some reasonably good potential.There are certainly no locks on it.
But it comes down to reality for the upper management.Shelton and Haines have to go.Heck,Cruz’s hitting coach could do a better job.They need to hire Shildt,or at least Banister,and give them the reins with the express job to make sure that the fundamentals are reviewed daily as a top priority.
tiredolddude
Well stated, MendozaLine and JoeW. Appreciate your insights and as someone who simply doesn’t know just what is on the farm aside from what I read here, playing a full season at the MLB level is all I have to go on and like both of you, the potential now has to start yielding dividends. And for me, those dividends simply meant showing progress this year, illustrating the idea that instruction was breeding a learning process. That we didn’t see it is most bothersome
I’d love Cutch to come home. Stallings, too
Even though both have likely hit their collective apex, I wonder if either still are the kinds of veterans that the front office goes after.
And yes, if nothing else, the leadership would be most beneficial
I guess my comments about Wilson and Thompson echo my own days as a pitcher and coach. While both have had moments, the continued twin problems with control and love of throwing dead red are worrisome
Bottom line is that there is a great deal of potential here but I wonder about the seemingly organization-wide failure to push young players to higher levels. It certainly doesn’t seem to be evident here at the MLB level
That said, I can’t say I’m “excited” about the prospects who are on the cusp of coming up but rather, interested to see if they can push the envelope a bit farther
Thanks
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Tired- Back at you as I appreciate your insight on a lot of different Bucco subjects.
This site has a number of good posters in my opinion who are neither negative nor giddy but look at things in an intelligent critical manner.
In my non expert opinion BC could do worse than to read these Pirate columns and see what reasonable posters are posting.During my professional life I always appreciated new ideas no matter who gave them.It is called flexibility.Sometime one can be too close to the action and too preoccupied to see the basics.
And that leads me to your and my and other poster’s opinions on the basics or lack thereof on the Pirates’ play.This is not nuclear science.Like Ben Franklin said this is either a setting or rising sun.It is up to BC and ownership to figure out what they need to do to right the course.
Three straight 100 loss seasons should not be taken lightly by them.
Dr.Oxycontin
A starting 5 of Keller, Priester (yes, he will come up at some point next year), Contreras, Ortiz and Oviedo and/or Brubaker isn’t terrible and in fact would be one of the teams best starting 5 they have had since their last playoff run. IMO they need a new pitching coach, I feel the Oscar Marin experience has run it’s course. My question is if Endy Rodriguez will stick at catcher knowing Henry Davis will also be in the majors soon.
YourDreamGM
Those 4 could pitch a team into playoffs. Like to see JT with another pitching coach. More likely Endy will be catcher than Davis at this point. Davis is awful. Maybe they can get him figured out enough to be backup and play 1b dh most days.
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Priester May very well be but look at how long it took Keller to become reasonably good.
Ortiz had a couple of real good games but I would not get too excited on him just yet.
There are real questions whether Davis will be a good enough catcher to make it.Plan B is to make him a first baseman based on his hitting ability.
Rodriguez may very well be up early next year and will need to be put on the 40 man roster this year.His hitting this year was exceptional and if he continues that early next year in AAA he will deserve a shot.There are also questions about his catching ability,however,although he may be able to learn to play somewhere else also.
YourDreamGM
Davis is awful. Needs to be coached up a lot if he is going to be a catcher. Hopefully the bat plays but who knows at this point. Meanwhile the 2 hs ss look like future all stars. Oh but we saved all that money. Not really. They didn’t sign for much more. I would like to seen them turn down 6.5 million. And if they did so what. I would much rather have Druw Jones over Davis. Still plenty of time for Davis but not looking good at this time.
joew
@YourDreamGM So far the only real area where edny is much better is stopping the steals his time to release i believe is rather slow if i recall correctly. Other than that Davis is on par and his game calling is apparently pretty good as well. Not sure where Edny stands on that front
They’ve been moving Edny around the field defensively. Clearly it is Davis’s job to lose.
If Davis isn’t a catcher, right field will probably be his landing spot given his arm.. but i’d also like to see him more at 1b just to see whats up.
I’d also like to see Edny get a few more reps at first.
At this point, neither one should be even considered a back up, but one of them will need to change positions or teams.
as of now both have the offense to be in the starting line up regardless of where they are on the field.
I cannot understand how Davis isn’t looking good at this time. he went from Rookie ball to AA in one season and has done pretty well but did hit a road bump offensively in AA no one sees it staying that way though.
It is a nice problem to have, two of the top catching prospects in the league. But as with all prospects you don’t really know until they hit the MLB for a bit
YourDreamGM
I haven’t watched him enough this year to have a say. Everyone I heard from who has said negative things. Figured I would give him a injury pass and check him out in 2023. More concerned with catching than the bat. Bat needs to be real special if he can’t catch at 1 1
Buccrazy
Newman is a good bench guy on a good team. Hit lefties, good glove, good wheels, good teammate yada yada yada. He will be non tendered and free to sign with someone after that. How do I know this will happen? 29 other teams know the pirates aren’t going to pay him in his arb2 season with a million middle infielders in the pipeline
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I agree as to his worth.And if they non tender him I think either you or I should take Cherington’s job
Buccrazy
Stephenson is a guy the pirates should keep with such a bad bullpen but they probably won’t. He was ok here in limited duty after a rough start to the season
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I agree.And if they do not keep him I think either Buccrazy or I should take Cherington’s job.