The Tigers’ search for a new front office leader has reached its conclusion, as they’re set to hire Giants general manager Scott Harris as their new president of baseball operations, per ESPN’s Jeff Passan (Twitter link). Tigers owner Chris Ilitch fired Al Avila from his post as general manager back on Aug. 10.
Harris spent three seasons as the Giants’ general manager, working in that role under San Francisco president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi. He’d previously spent eight seasons with the Cubs (2012-19), rising from director of baseball operations to the title of assistant general manager. Prior to that, he worked for Major League Baseball as the league’s coordinator of Major League operations. Harris, who graduated from UCLA with a Bachelor’s Degree in Economics in 2009 and got his MBA from Northwestern’s Kellogg School of Management in 2015, has also spent time with the Nationals (2008) and Reds (2010).
A key lieutenant to baseball ops leaders Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer during the Cubs’ most recent run of prominence, Harris was hired away by San Francisco in Nov. 2019 and played an even larger role with the Giants as they authored an MLB-best 107-win season in 2021. The Giants nonetheless fell to the archrival Dodgers in the National League Division Series, however, and the 2022 season has been every bit as disappointing as the 2021 campaign was heartening in San Francisco. This year’s Giants have, to date, faceplanted with a 69-77 record and have been out of the postseason picture for the majority of the summer. They’ll look to reload for the 2023 season, but they may be in the market for a new general manager to work under Zaidi.
Harris will now step into the spotlight for an organization that’s had an even more disheartening 2022 season than the one he’s leaving behind. The Tigers, encouraged by a 69-66 post-April showing in 2021, expected 2022 to be a turning point at the end of a nearly half-decade rebuilding effort. Detroit had gone to great lengths to build out its research and analytics department, and the hiring of A.J. Hinch as manager prior to the 2021 season represented a clear “win-now” mindset. Heading into 2022, top prospects Spencer Torkelson and Riley Greene were on the cusp of joining touted young pitchers Casey Mize, Tarik Skubal and Matt Manning on the big league roster, and Detroit had enjoyed strong 2021 showings from Jeimer Candelario, Rule 5 pickup Akil Baddoo and veteran second baseman Jonathan Schoop, among others.
An active offseason brought free agents Javier Baez, Eduardo Rodriguez and Andrew Chafin to Detroit, where they were joined by trade acquisitions Austin Meadows and Tucker Barnhart. Unfortunately, nearly every single one of those acquisitions (save for Chafin) has flopped to date, owing to a combination of poor health, off-the-field issues and simple poor performance. Their lack of production has been compounded by an overwhelming rash of injuries, most notably Mize requiring Tommy John surgery and Skubal undergoing flexor surgery. Manning is healthy now but missed most of the year due to shoulder trouble. Beyond that, key 2021 performers like Baddoo, Schoop and Candelario have struggled immensely.
It was a catastrophic season that cost Avila his job and now places Harris squarely in the midst of his own conundrum. The Tigers have Rodriguez signed for another four years and Baez for another five, pending future opt-out clauses that, at present, appear unlikely to be exercised. Meanwhile, Torkelson and Greene, expected to be key cogs that drive the engine of a more competitive lineup, have often looked overmatched in their debut efforts. Mize will miss a substantial portion of the 2023 season, and the same could be true of Skubal. The young core that served as such a source of optimism is at least temporarily in tatters.
Enough went wrong in 2022 that the Tigers reportedly at least pondered listening to offers on Skubal at the trade deadline, before his injury troubles flared up. A swap always seemed unlikely, but the very fact that such a possibility even merited consideration is emblematic of the stalled rebuilding efforts and the challenges that Harris will now face.
It seems unlikely that ownership will green-light yet another arduous rebuilding effort, but at the same time, there’s no easy fix in store. The Tigers appear further from contending than they did a year ago at this time — certainly more than just one or two acquisitions away from righting the ship. Meanwhile, last winter’s additions of Baez and Rodriguez have added some notable heft to future payrolls, and injuries have at least temporarily thinned out the promising young core.
There are some parallels between the current Tigers and the 2020-22 Giants that Harris helped to overhaul. No one pegged the Giants as anywhere close to the best team in baseball heading into the 2021 season, and even the 29-31 showing by the 2020 Giants exceeded some expectations after a run of three seasons that saw the club play at a 214-272 pace. Both play in cavernous home parks that could appeal to pitchers looking to rebuild their stock after tough seasons and/or injuries.
The Giants, under Harris and Zaidi, developed a reputation as one of the best teams in baseball (if not the best team) at revitalizing the careers of pitchers. Kevin Gausman, Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood, Drew Smyly, Tyler Anderson and Jakob Junis are just some of the names who’ve gone to San Francisco in the past few years and significantly improved their stock. They also showed a knack for unearthing quality hitters in little-noticed moves (e.g. Mike Yastrzemski, Donovan Solano, Darin Ruf). Surely, Ilitch hopes that Harris can bring some of that success to his new home in Detroit.
Harris is jumping into a situation that’s less common — albeit certainly not unheard of — for newly hired baseball ops leaders. Many owners cut bait on a GM or president and bring in a new voice and perspective to help guide the club through a rebuild, but what was supposed to be the heavy lifting of the rebuild has already been performed in Detroit. It’ll now be incumbent upon Harris to find a way to further build out the organization’s infrastructure, add some new faces to the roster and get more out of current underperformers (e.g. Baez, Torkelson) without completely tearing things back down to the studs.
If there’s a small silver lining, it’s perhaps that the Tigers play in a fairly weak American League Central division. There’s no Dodgers-esque juggernaut looming atop the standings. That bodes well for a return to contention sooner than some critics may expect, but a lot will need to go right for the Tigers to prevent their current eight-year playoff drought from ballooning to a decade.
giantsbaseball415
I’d leave farhan too
LordD99
Where would you leave him?
paddyo furnichuh
On BART
Deadguy
I thought this said Scott Boras
Murray Rothbard
Jumping ship before it sinks, smart move. He didn’t even want to stick around for this off-season’s spending spree.
crazybaseballgal
Probably saw the budget
Patrick OKennedy
Resume looks good. Couldn’t be worse than Avila. It’ll take Chris opening the checkbook and some savvy trades to right this ship in Detroit.
LordD99
I mean, he could be worse. Seems like a good hire though for where the Tigers are. Avila did not properly value his talent vs. the market, making bad trades, while other times not making trades and being stuck with declining value.
tigerdoc616
Wrong! it could very well work out worse than Avila. He was a long-standing well-respected baseball person. he excelled at a lot of things. The one thing he didn’t excel at was being the top person. Harris has no experience being the top person either. Now I am hopeful that he will succeed where Avila did not. And despite his otherwise stellar resume there’s no guarantee he will succeed. We all need to stop with this notion that Avila could do no right. There was plenty of things he did right. Just not enough to take this team to the next level.
JrodFunk5
You are definitely in the minority with that opinion.
TroyVan
I agree Doc. He was good at some things. Trades, not so much. And, how he let the hitting instruction slip to be as bad as it has become is beyond me. Also, he really overdid it with pitchers. The organization is definitely stocked with pitchers, but is woefully void of position players.
For Love of the Game
Yes, but with excess starting pitching prospects they can trade for the things they lack.
stymeedone
Due to injuries, they didn’t have, and may not have enough pitching for next year. Neither Avila nor Harris will get back much for pitchers coming off injury.
TroyVan
For Love:
In a recent MLBTR chat, I asked Anthony how common it is to trade near MLB ready prospects for other, near MLB ready prospects. He said not very common. In a later, related question, he answered that they are especially rare to trade within the same division.
So, if he is correct, then it’s probably not going to happen, where the Tigers trade prospects for prospects.
TroyVan
That’s not correct. They have a bunch of pitching coming back from injury and the guys that filled in did an outstanding job and will be back.
The Tigers are flush with pitching and will be for years to come.
Starters: one of the top staffs in MLB during the second half.
Bullpen: Outstanding again
JrodFunk5
Can you please substantiate you second half staff comment? I’m genuinely curious.
TroyVan
Jrod, this is a month old, but I assure you that they have been just as good.
freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2022/08/20/detro…
libertyfighter
What was he good at? Definitely not signing free agents. Definitely not drafting after the 1st round. Definitely not signing the right player contracts. The man was MLB’s version of Matt Millen.
davidkaner
Are you really saying he was well respected? He was respected only in terms of relationships & knowledge of baseball. He wasn’t respected at all regarding his Operational or GM skills. He was a guy who could work for you but was horrible once put in charge.
dirtybird
Yeah I hope one of the selling points with this was that exactly, that Chris will give him more resources than what were available in San Fran.
Our farm system looks pretty baron. Never seems like we develop much. I really hope he can draft well, and make a few savy moves like he did with the Giants.
Finding some vets, turning their careers around and trading for assets would be great. One thing Avila could never do (win a trade). Castellanos, Pacheco, etc… would really have helped this lineup this year.
I don’t know how you don’t rebuild at this point at least to a certain extent.
dirtybird
Not sure why this posted 3 times
futuregm12
Still confused why Dayton Moore still has a job
Deleted Userr
Because the Royals ownership is cut from the same cloth as the Rockies ownership. Wins (short or long term) aren’t important to them.
Dorothy_Mantooth
2024 will be the season to strike for Detroit. Miggy and others will be gone from the payroll so Harris should have some money to spend at that time. They’ll make a few minor moves this offseason but I wouldn’t expect too much out of them in his first season.
Dogs
I expect a major overhaul of the team his first year.
outinleftfield
I don’t think so. The Tigers had exceptional bad luck with injuries to key players and Harris is going to be expecting at least a small rebound from both Baez and Erod. If Chafin and Schoop both return, which I expect, he still will only have $125 million on the books after all the arb cases. He is in a great position. Add one top end starter and a solid catcher and that is still a team that can catch lightning in a bottle.
SportsFan0000
No need to add another catcher with Jake Rogers coming back from injury and prospect Dillon Dingler knocking on the major league door also.
Tigers need to play their young prospects. Get them acclimated to major league pitching…find out the keepers and the trade candidates etc..
SportsFan0000
Don’t see the point of adding a top end starter. When every one is healthy they have 8-10 guys competing for major league starting jobs.
Ty Madden is close to the big leagues also.
Dogs
I expect Harris will go after Josh Bell & Willson Contreras and a starting pitcher in the range of Justin Verlander or Noah Syndergaard, I’m hoping Thor. Then he will trade off a few of the assets (not his pitchers), don’t expect great returns, just young prospects in the lower Minors.
The Tigers will look a lot different next spring training
Dogs
In 2020 the Twins finished first in the AL Central
In 2021 the Twins finished in last place in the AL Central
In 2022 the Twins lead the AL Central most of the year, Looks like they will finish in third place with close to a .500 record. It does not always take years for a team to turn things around & contend.
The Oriole finished in last place last year but will finish close to .500 this year too.
2023 Possible Starting Pitchers
Tarik Skuba
Beau Brieske
Eduardo Rodriguez
Alex Faedo
Matt Manning
Garrett Hill
Joey Wentz
Spencer Turnbull
Plus any new Free Agents or Trades
libertyfighter
Yeah Dingler is setting the world on fire lol!
Dogs
Willson Contreras will be a Tiger next year.
outinleftfield
Forgot about Rogers being in that deluge of injuries.
outinleftfield
3 starters are gone for most of the 2023 season. So only 5 guys competing for 5 jobs coming out of camp.
Jean Matrac
Dogs,
You’re comparing the Twins, that did not purposefully tank to rebuild. to the Orioles who did. Those two teams’ situations are completely different
The Orioles are more comparable to the Pirates, and Tigers, than the Twins.
For Love of the Game
Looks like a decent hire. Of course, a cardboard cutout would look good compared to Al Avila.
SFBay314
What moves did he make that were so good in SF? He didn’t even hire the manager…
For Love of the Game
A little research shows that Kevin Gausman encouraged the Giants to sign him. That turned out pretty well! Beyond that, most of what I could find is how he was regarded as a wunderkind, how integral he was to the Cubs’ success, and that the Giants had a rising star on their hands. Time will tell.
For Love of the Game
Should have read “…that Kevin Gausman said Scott Harris encouraged the Giants…”
amk1920
And then the Giants let Gausman walk while paying Desclafsni 30 million.
Jean Matrac
The Jays will be paying Gausman $23M a year for each of his age 34 and 35 seasons, after DeSclafani is off the books. Come back in 2027 when we can which deal was the biggest mistake.
SFBay314
This comment was written in the first 5 minutes of the article. Most of the content you see now was not there when I initially commented
scottn59c
To this day, I have no idea what Harris did while in SF. He was ostensibly the Giants’ GM, but I don’t ever recall hearing him speak or even others speak about decisions he made there; all of that seemed to be the province of Zaidi.
What, exactly, did this guy do in SF? (Asking because in all honesty, I feel ignorant of his role there), and what’s the plan going forward? Will SF seek out another GM or is Zaidi doing all of that already?
sfgiantsguy
Feel the exact same haha. I feel like he was Farhan’s gopher.
Pads Fans
This is going to sound funny, but Harris may get to actually spend some money in Detroit. In SF, they have been incredible risk averse since Zaidi came on board, only signing short deals while missing out on big stars.
Although signing big stars last offseason may be the reason Avila is gone.
vtadave
Clearly though, that was at the behest of ownership. I’m pretty sure Zaidi would have loved to play in the Freeman, Seager, etc. sweepstakes.
antibelt
He never did in LA. All his deals were short term.
hiflew
If Detroit’s goal is to become a 75 win team that got lucky a lot in 2021, they found the right man.
Hello, Newman
How do you figure? Not saying they won’t be, I just don’t get why.
But, if they get 75 wins in 23, I’ll be happy
hiflew
It was more of a shot at SF than a prediction of Detroit. They won 107 games in 2021 with basically a 75 win team just because of career years and guys playing over their head.
outinleftfield
And Posey retiring.
GarryHarris
First order of business. Unload Rodriguez and Baez.
BSHH
Let’s not pretend Baez and Rodriguez are the main culprits for this year’s failure. Rodriguez hasn’t been good, but not horrible either. Baez might even be just pulling his weight.
Gruß,
BSHH
GarryHarris
Teams are hindered by high salaried players. If you need an example, look at NYY Aaron Hicks. He makes too much to demote, trade or bench him.
Since there’s no young super talent, it’s better to start with a clean slate. Scott Harris is stuck with Miguel Cabrera one season. After that, only Javy Baez (2027) and Eduardo Rodriguez (2026) remains. I predict that Baez is going to be a .150 hitter in a couple years. Baseball isn’t important to Rodriguez.
Deadguy
Correct
BSHH
It must be said that I have no baseball knowledge at all. So I am completely unable to evaluate this decision. All I know is that I hope I am wrong (just like with my optimism about the 2022 Tigers).
However, I am as little knowledgeable as I am underwhelmed. Harris has been with the Cubs and Giants, where of course very successful seasons were orchestrated. But either franchise is for me at least one step behind the Astros, Cardinals, Dodgers or Rays: Each organization yields lots of talented players with some regularity.
Thus I would have rather had an executive from one of these top franchises. And who will be GM? Will it be Menzin, who is partly responsible for the current situation?
Gruß,
BSHH
Jean Matrac
I guess it’s easy to forget that the Astros had a long string of subpar teams 2006 to 2014. They lost 106, 107, and 111 games from 2011 to 2013. They only became a powerhouse recently after an extended period of tanking. Not to mention a couple fails on 1/1 drafts picks.
Hello, Newman
I kinda agree. Whatever the Cardinals are doing, is exactly what I want for the Tigers.
Deadguy
The Cardinals are really good at not only identifying good talent with low round first round choices every year, but are also incredible good at developing this talent into key everyday players on the roster.
Motown is My Town
On paper Harris seems to have a good background but I believe at 35 he is too young for this role and responsibility. I’m not saying his youth makes him inexperienced but it has all the markings he’ll become Chris Illitch’s mouthpiece and a means to make him money regardless of the (poor) product they put on the field. Looks like we’ve taken a step back 25 years to the days of young Randy Smith and we all know who “well” that worked out…oh well at least the Lions are on the upswing!!!
ohyeadam
Hired away from a large market team that’s curbed spending and been competitive since he’s been there. So I imagine that’s probably what they want from him.
hitztheball
Theo was 29 when he took over the Red Sox. Stearns in Milwaukee was 30 when hired. A lot of young executives running businesses – age does not matter. I would rather have a potential “up and comer” than a retread who has been in the business for 30 years
stymeedone
I’m glad they went outside the organization. Avila was let go because of the record, and his poor history of free agent signings.. I hope Harris knows how to read a medical report, because there is a huge amount of uncertainty going into next year. Torkelson has looked better since his recall and Greene is having a typical rookie season. Stuck with Javy at SS for at least one more season. Gotta hope he rebounds and opts out. I would tender a contract to Candelario, hoping for a rebound, as well. Nimmo and Judge are the only two full time OF options in FA. Thats just not happening. Manning is the only young pitcher healthy enough to offer in trade for a young OF.. Maybe they could get someone to offer value for Soto, but then the Tigers would need a LHP reliever. Sure, hope Harris is up to the task.
Deleted Userr
In order for Javy to opt out he has to be so good in 2023 that you (yes YOU specifically) want him to not opt out.
stymeedone
The only thing I ever liked about the Baez signing were the opt outs. I hoped it would motivate him to provide a couple years worth of solid stats, and he would leave w/o the Tigers getting stuck with the later years of the pact. He could win the Triple Crown next year and I would be happily waiving bye bye to him, as I know he could not repeat it. Kreidler, or Pacheco can fill the position.
jimthegoat
@stymeedone If Baez wins the Triple Crown next year the Tigers would be able to trade him for a ****load of prospects after the season if they wanted to. The opt-out robs them of the ability to do that. So no. You would not be “happily waiving bye bye” to him if he won the Triple Crown next year.
dkhits20
Judging by how Candelario’s playing time has been cut lately, I don’t see a high probability of him being tendered a contract.
BSHH
The ideal OF solution for the Tigers would be Conforto. He is a FA with no QO attached (still should have taken it), can play at least RF solidly and should absolutely be in their price range while offering 125+ wRC+ upside.
Although Nimmo might be available, too (Judge certainly isn’t). I wouldn’t be surprised to see Cohen abstain from spending big money on him to a) focus on retaining de Grom and b) be not in a different galaxy from the CBT thresholds when he makes a run at Ohtani for 2024.
Gruß,
BSHH
stymeedone
Conforto would be quite the gamble, and I wouldn’t want to pay Boras prices for an OF coming off injury. That cost Avila his job. I really doubt Harris will take that chance.
mrfolgers
Sell the team, pizza man!!!
For Love of the Game
Upvote for you, but “pizza man” died. In his place is his imposter son, lucky inheritor of a pizza, baseball, hockey and real estate empire. There is no evidence he knows how to manage any of them, but you don’t have to be a genius to cash big paychecks.
ohyeadam
Pizza kid?
tigergreg
Pizza Pizza Boy
SFBay314
You forgot casino empire. Motor city casino across the street.
biffpocoroba
I wish the best for Tiger fans, but unless Harris can say he had nothing to do with Giants’ drafts while he was there, I’m not hopeful. He and Zaidi passed on Cade Cavali, and then Spencer Strider THREE times in the ’20 draft, because college pitchers didn’t fit management’s model since Zaidi came aboard. None of Zaidi’s post-2019 hitters will make an impact next year, and won’t until ’24 at the earliest, while Kyle Harrison may crack the rotation next season. That’s it since Zaidi’s first draft in 2019 and Zaidi/Harris in 2020 onward. For a team that desperately needed an infusion of good young talent and instead is running on weekly dumpster diving.
foppert
So the people responsible for the other 122 players picked before Spencer Strider are also no good ?
Jean Matrac
Good point @foppert. What about the 24 teams that passed on Mike Trout? That narrative, that a GM is bad because he didn’t draft a specific player that, later on surprised everyone with his development, is tired. Clearly, professing that belief indicates a lack of understanding about prospects, and the difficulty trying to project development. Getting lucky on a guy like Strider doesn’t make the GM a genius.
biffpocoroba
No, but if the guys you are drafting are not progressing through the system and you consciously avoid college pitchers by design, then you are held accountable for that.
Jean Matrac
biff,
I totally agree, but that isn’t the issue we were responding to. Not drafting someone that surprisingly develops beyond the general consensus of what’s expected, is something every GM is guilty of.
Even passing on a guy like Posey, which 4 teams did, is not that unusual. because projecting development is really, really hard. Luck plays a huge role.
outinleftfield
Harris came on board in SF in 2020. He would have only been responsible for 2020-2022 drafts. So few of the players in those drafts have made the majors that its premature to be knocking him for that.
MPrck
The Tiger’s are playing better than the start of the year, so that’s good. With baseball rules changing again next season, it’s probably good most will come back. The Tigers have a fair amount of speed. I’d hate to see guys go elsewhere an do good under the new rules.
Lets hope for a high draft pick, and a good one. The Tigers will do better.
fred-3
Honesty, this seems like a poor hire. He’s had numerous people in front of him in chain of command with the Cubs and Giants and it’s not like he’s coming from a successful org like the Rays, Astros, or Dodgers.
BrandonF87
The Giants aren’t a successful organization?
SliderWithCheese
Good move. He’s the kind of man who would have people lined up to donate a kidney if he needed one.
ellisd19830
I mean atleast wait til you can talk to everybody. Selling themselves short, no?
LordD99
Maybe, but who is everybody? If they’re focused on current GMs looking for a PoBO title, then everyone in that class can be interviewed.
goob
ellisd19830 Because if he’s the guy they actually prefer for the job, then it certainly makes sense to act quickly.
Redwolves3
Hopefully Zaidi didn’t rub off on Harris. If Zaidi did, Detroit better get ready for platooning and dumpster diving.
stymeedone
Tigers already platoon, and Drew Hutchinson has been pulled from the dumpster 3 times this year alone.
outinleftfield
With occasional 107 win seasons thrown in?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Let’s see if he can hire the Superfife. That would prove he is smart.
tigerdoc616
Seems like a decent hire. I guess we’ll find out. But the Tigers definitely went out and hired a young up-and-coming person who’s never had experience at the top job. That could go very well or it might not. But it’s definitely a different direction. I’m hopeful like most tiger fans. Honestly that was probably the direction they were going whether it was Harris or someone else.It eas unlikely they were going to go after a Theo Epstein or somebody else who has had a lot of experience and a lot of success but also is known as a progressive baseball mind. Time will tell if he’s successful or not. At this point he has to get the benefit for the doubt.
gotigers68
Like anything the Tigers have done, we’ll have to wait and see, and hopefully get some different results……
Hello, Newman
I’m excited to see change..
Hopefully.
kingbum
The thing San Francisco was best known for is helping struggling pitchers rehab their careers. So the first thing Scott should do is evaluate the managers and coaches and assistants all throughout the organization. They must believe in his vision or they just got to go. Seems like maybe just new ideas need to come into the dugout. The team is not devoid of talent. Sometimes players just need a new voice, I mean look at what a manager change did for Philadelphia this year…..
Edp007
Would this be considered an inexpensive hire as opposed to luring in a name candidate like a Stearns etc ?
SportsFan0000
Stearns, Epstein etc. were not interested in the Detroit job.
This is the kind of hire that can make or break a guy like Harris’s career.
If he “rights the ship” and returns the Tigers to yearly contention, then he can write his own ticket in any MLB city for his next job.
If not, then he goes back to an Assistant or GM position in another Front office.
DodgerOK
Pretty easy job. Just make sure they have bats, balls, and gloves. They’re not trying to win.
SportsFan0000
The only way the Tigers or any MLB team can get a rising star young GM is to promote him into a new position like POB Ops. Otherwise, teams are allowed to block interviews ands hires on lateral moves.
That said, Harris will not be making decisions in a bubble. He will be assembling a team and will rely heavily on then also, with Harris having the final say on deals and free agent signings (if it involves spending more $$$ then Chris Illitch will have to sign off on it too.
Harris hit on just about all of his off season, short term free agent signings both this year and last including Joc Pederson and 3 key pitchers ((Rodon, Wood and a few others).
The Tigers also need better scouting, drafting and trading.
The Tigers could be a faster turn around than expected based on having a few more
top 10 Drafts, players getting healthy, and some of the best, young high draft pick players from Avila’s Drafts, trades and signings who will make the majors in ’23-25.
That won’t make Harris a genius for his actions. He is stepping into a very good situation primed for a quicker turnaround with a few key moves. In a few years, Avila will start getting credit for building a formidable pitching staff and for some of his position player draft picks breaking through at the major league level.
Harris will put his own stamp on it and I expect the Tigers to be contenders by ’24.
The White Sox just finished a 10 year rebuild and are on the outside looking in at a playoffs spot currently.
SportsFan0000
Harris will have to build a long term contender to please and not lose the Tigers fans. Harris’s one 107 win season in ’21 followed by the Giants coming back to earth for a hard landing in 2022 will not cut it in Detroit.
Detroit is a sports crazy town. But, if their team executives do not build winners, then they expect them to be fired and for ownership to get the next boy wonder in there ASAP.
Good Luck to Scott Harris in Detroit! If you are the next Dombrowski or anything close to it, then you will become a legend there.
If you don’t perform, then they will demand your ouster with just as much fervor,,
gravel
It’s seems to me that sports franchises in Detroit are far more patient with their leadership than the fans, if what SportsFanoooo says is true. Didn’t Matt Millen last 8 years with the Lions? Even Al Avila signed an extension in 2019. Where was that “firing fervor” then?
TommyTheTiger
Gravel: the firing fever was everywhere. We fans were well beyond angry. But the owners here (after Mike I. died) are simply not sports people. The Fords run Ford and historically haven’t paid much attention to the Lions. Chris Ilitch doesn’t have the same passion for the Tigers and Wings that his dad had (thank goodness he had the good sense to hire a brilliant franchise legend to run the Wings), and Gores for the Pistons? I doubt he even knows the team colors. So as much as the fans protested (and there were legit HUGE actual protests about Millen), the owners just don’t pay enough attention to absorb the anger.
SportsFan0000
WC Ford Jr. owned and mismanaged the Lions for 50+ years.
He was not involved in the Ford Motor Company at all except as a shareholder and dividend collector.
Matt Millen charmed his way into being WC Ford’s “‘drinking buddy”. He could do no wrong as long as the drinks flowed and as long as he gave Ford his undivided attention and lines of BS.
The fans were done with Millen long before he was fired..
Avila was a “special case”. He was interviewed for GM jobs outside of Detroit when he was one of Dombrowski’s lieutenants. Former Owner Mike Illitch (deceased) made promises to Avila (that he would be put in charge in Detroit when Dombrowski moved on) and paid Avila more to stay in Detroit and to turn down lucrative other GM jobs in other Cities.
Chris Illitch was obligated to honor his father’s promises.
In ’21, the Tigers had one of the better records in baseball from May forward.(after getting off to terrible start in April). The Tigers were 7 games over 500 from May forward in 2021.
Everyone expected the Tigers to take another few steps forward in ’22 and seriously contend for the playoffs.
Instead, everything that could possibly go wrong, went wrong for the Tigers in ’22. Many players regressed (Schoop, Candelario, Badoo, Meadows, Grossman, Barnhardt etc..) Most free agent signings blew up in their faces (Baez, Rodriguez, Schoop, Grossman. Pineda etc).
The Tigers vaunted young pitching staff was decimated by catastrophic injuries where too many foundational starters went down after the team had been rebuilt on pitching(Mize, Manning, Skubal, Turnbull, Brieske etc..). Trades blew up in their faces (Meadows for Paredes, Barnhardt and more). Foundational future star pieces where slow to breakout in the major leagues (Torkelson, Greene and others).
On the bright side, the Tigers had one of the better bullpens that they have fielded in a long, long time. The pitching injuries gave more young pitchers the opportunity to prove them selves and to put themselves into the Tigers plans as keepers and/or future trade bait etc.
So, a quick bounceback to ’21 levels in the 75+ win range is not out of the question with a healthy roster in ’23. If Harris adds a few more short term, key pieces (get some more hitters!!!)
then this team could be on the fringes or into contention as early as ’23 when the pitching gets healthy.
Bt5201
Timeline check–Yastrzemski and Solano were already in the Giants system before Harris was hired by the Giants.