Major League Baseball announced Friday that the Competition Committee — an 11-person panel consisting of six ownership representatives, four players and one umpire — has voted to implement three new rule changes for the 2023 season: a pitch clock, a limitation on defensive shifting and larger bases.
Commissioner Rob Manfred issued the following statement after the vote:
“These steps are designed to improve pace of play, increase action, and reduce injuries, all of which are goals that have overwhelming support among our fans. Throughout the extensive testing of recent years, Minor League personnel and a wide range of fans – from the most loyal to casual observers – have recognized the collective impact of these changes in making the game even better and more enjoyable. We appreciate the participation of the representatives of the Major League Players and Umpires in this process.”
The league’s press release describes the changes (and provides context from minor league testing of the pitch clock) as follows:
- Pitch Timer: A Pitch Timer will improve pace of play and reduce dead time. The Pitch Timer Regulations include the following provisions:
- A pitcher must begin his motion before the expiration of the timer. Pitchers will have up to 15 seconds between pitches when the bases are empty and up to 20 seconds between pitches with at least one runner on base. Testing in the Minor Leagues involved 14 seconds with the bases empty and 18 seconds (19 seconds in Triple-A) with at least one runner on base.
- A pitcher may disengage the rubber (timer resets) twice per plate appearance without penalty.
- Subsequent disengagements result in a balk, unless an out is recorded on a runner.
- The disengagement count resets if the runner advances; testing in the Minors had no reset until the following plate appearance.
- A hitter must be in the batter’s box and alert to the pitcher with at least eight seconds remaining. Testing in the Minor Leagues included nine seconds remaining.
- A hitter receives one timeout per plate appearance.
- Umpires will have authority to provide additional time if warranted by special circumstances (e.g., the catcher makes the last out of the inning and needs additional time to get into defensive position).
- KEY STATS:
- Compared to last season, the Pitch Timer has reduced the average nine-inning game time by 26 minutes (from 3:04 in 2021 to 2:38 in 2022) while increasing action on the field.
- Stolen base attempts per game have increased from 2.23 in 2019, at a 68% success rate, to 2.83 in 2022, at a 77% success rate.
- In its most recent week of play, Minor League Baseball has averaged just 0.45 Pitch Timer violations per game.
- KEY STATS:
- Defensive Shift Restrictions: A set of restrictions will return the game to a more traditional aesthetic by governing defensive shifts, with the goals of encouraging more balls in play, giving players more opportunities to showcase their athleticism, and offsetting the growing trend of alignments that feature four outfielders:
- Lateral Positioning: Two infielders must be positioned on each side of second base when the pitch is released.
- Depth: All four infielders must have both feet within the outer boundary of the infield when the pitcher is on the rubber.
- No Switching Sides: Infielders may not switch sides unless there is a substitution.
- KEY STAT: Defensive alignments that feature four players in the outfield increased nearly 6x across MLB since the start of the 2018 season.
- Bigger Bases: With the goal of improving player safety, the size of first, second, and third base will increase from the standard 15” square to 18” square.
- Bigger bases are expected to have a positive impact on player health and keeping Major Leaguers on the field.
- KEY STAT: Base-related injuries decreased by 13.5% in the Minor Leagues this season, including declines at every level of the Minors.
- Bigger bases will reduce the distance between first and second and between second and third base by 4.5”, thereby encouraging offensive Clubs to attempt to steal bases more frequently and generally to be more aggressive on the basepaths.
- Bigger bases are expected to have a positive impact on player health and keeping Major Leaguers on the field.
The committee unanimously voted in favor of the larger bases, although as first reported by ESPN’s Jeff Passan, the players voted against both the pitch clock and the limitation of defensive shifts. The MLBPA confirmed as much in a since-issued statement, which reads:
“Players live the game — day in and day out. On-field rules and regulations impact their preparation, performance, and ultimately, the integrity of the game itself. Player leaders from across the league were engaged in on-field rules negotiations through the Competition Committee, and they provided specific and actionable feedback on the changes proposed by the Commissioner’s Office. Major League Baseball was unwilling to meaningfully address the areas of concern that Players raised, and as a result, Players on the Competition Committee voted unanimously against the implementation of the rules covering defensive shifts and the use of a pitch timer.”
thegreatbambi3
The Rays: Welp let’s add more infield
deweybelongsinthehall
Stupid changes for the most part. MLB needs to stop rewarding batters for their inadequacies. Ted Williams did alright if you shifted and a bat magician like Rod Carew would get a hit no matter how he was defended. Pitch clock with runners on base? Gives a big advantage to the runner. Imagine how many more bases Brock or Henderson would have gotten if they knew the pitcher had to throw home. As for a bigger base, that won’t solve base injuries. it just makes it a step closer for the player to touch the base. Finally, how about implementing a change that most fans and non-pitcher want? The intent of replays was not to use it frame by frame to see if a hand or foot momentarily was raised while the player held the ball on the player.
JackStrawb
Sigh. Pointing to what Ted Williams did as some example all hitters should and can follow is frankly absurd.
He’s Ted Fecking Williams.
gbs42
So, most players can’t do what the very best in the game’s history could do? That’s shocking.
deweybelongsinthehall
Players want to get paid, well how about them earning their check?
kcmark
If umpires called the strike zone the game would speed up.
Halo11Fan
Ted Williams is arguably the greatest hitter of all time, had huge issues with the shift, and couldn’t adjust to it even though the vast majority of pitchers were throwing in the 80s.
The shift hurts the game. Players have to hit over the shift to be successful, and penalizes contact and ground balls.
it’s about time. I’m looking forward to five hit innings. It’s much better for the tame than a walk and a HR.
Dodger Dogg
I get it, Halo11Fan. But I still like to see hitters who have the talent to spray it to all fields. Hopefully that won’t become a lost art like bunting.
PhanaticDuck26
bunting might actually make a bit of a comeback if, as the statistics seem to indicate, stolen bases become a more important part of the game….
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Someone put a clock on Manfred
Dodger Dogg
Well said. A commissioner who thinks the WS trophy is just a hunk of metal should quit. Used car dealerships are hiring, Manfred.
BmoreBallistics
About time
Go watch James karntick the reliever who pitches for the Indians… he plays catch with himself oin the mound before throwing it. Think saw video he is averaging 32.3 seconds to throw the ball between 2020-2021 season.
bwmiller
That’s awesome
Paleobros
What team does he pitch for again?
RamMac14
Basically banning the shift is a W. The shift is stupid
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
Back in the old days a few professional MLB hitters could hit the balls wherever they felt like. These guys are supposed to be the best players in the world but in reality half a dozen active players on every team shouldn’t be playing above the AAA level. Just more stupid rules from MLB.
Prospectnvstr
Mercenary: It wasn’t just the “old days”. Rod Carew, Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn, Wade Boggs, Kirby Puckett are some “modern” examples. Ichiro is more recent example.
Pete'sView
Pete Rose last played in 1986, Rod Carew 1985, Tony Gwynn 2001, Wade Boggs 1999, Kirby Pucket 1995 and Ichiro 2019. All extraordinary hitters, none of whom had to deal on a daily and plate appearance basis with pitchers throwing mid- to high 90’s. It’s time to even the playing field for batters.
louwhitakerisahofer
Wouldn’t leveling the playing field mean limiting the max speed of pitches? (Sarcasm intended).
Pete'sView
Lou — You’re one of my favorites of all time. Do you remember his predecessor, Jake Wood? I saw Jake hit an inside the park HR at the original Yankee Stadium.
Fever Pitch Guy
David Ortiz would beat the shift by bunting, that’s how much more skilled players were just 10-20 years ago.
deweybelongsinthehall
Why not then limit the pitching staff to 11? Most teams in years past had a staff of ten and that was even in the NL where there was never until now a DH. 1975 WS. No DH and the Reds played with 9 pitchers. You have to learn to pitch and just throw. While today’s athletes are better trained, there were many more who could throw harder if they knew they weren’t expected to 7 or more. How many multi-inning saves did Fingers and Suter get?
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Can’t forget Goose either when it comes to multi-inning saves, and Mariano had his share too.
As for limiting the pitching staff to 11, MLB had planned to implement it eventually but it kept getting delayed because of Covid. I really want it to happen, the ridiculous number of relievers on teams is one of the biggest problems with today’s game. It negatively impacts the game in so many ways that I’ve outlined in the past.
They want more stolen bases? Then reduce the number of pitchers on rosters, so that teams can carry a speedster on their bench.
If the Red Sox had 8 relievers in their bullpen back in the 2004 ALCS, Dave Roberts probably wouldn’t have been on the team and his epic stolen base never would have happened.
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed Fever. I had a love/hate relationship with Goose. Like Munson, I realize today my hatred was respect. Mariano was amazing in a different way. Because he didn’t throw as hard, as a fan it was annoying that not many could hit him. One who did was Bill Mueller.
Dodger Dogg
Ortiz was a pure hitter for sure. Had he played a position all those years, maybe he wouldn’t have achieved his stat totals. The grind of the season, longevity, honing the defensive skills all comes in to play when you’re talking about a complete ballplayer.
Seamaholic
In the “old days” they weren’t dealing with 90 mph sliders, max effort relievers, and 2500 rpm 100 mph fastballs.
ohyeadam
If the issue is pitchers are overpowering then move back and or lower the mound
JackStrawb
@ohyeadam I’d much rather they lower the mound again rather than fiddle with the almost sacred 60 feet 6 inches.
Pete'sView
ohyeadam—There have been considerations, even a few experiments—and they have not gone well., especially with pitchers arms. Besides, is there anything more fundamental than the field itself? The distance to the bases, around the bases, Mound to home plate, And how does that impact the outfielders?
Let’s keep the field sacrosanct.
Fever Pitch Guy
Seamaholic – In the “old days” they were playing entire games every day, playing both games of scheduled doubleheaders, roughing it traveling from city to city, not coddled by “mental skills” coaches and a dozen other coaches, not wearing padding all over their bodies, playing extra innings without ghost runners ending the games early, sliding into home plate without being required to avoid contact, and a whole bunch of other things that made the game a lot harder.
Today’s players won’t get any sympathy from me.
stymeedone
@seamaholic
In the “old days” they were putting the ball in play, doing hit and run plays, stealing bases, and realizing the value of a single. Now its all about individual stats, HRs and loft angle. Striking out 200 times is ok, if you hit 30 HRs. Those 30 abs hardly make up for the 200 times you did nothing to help the team. I go to MLB.com on my tablet and have to to do a drop down and search for “standings”. Even the game knows its all about fantasy leagues, and team standings is no longer of prime interest to their fans.
Pete'sView
As a long-time baseball purist, I am 100% behind the new rules—all of them. These are long overdue and will return the game to greater action that highlights the athleticism of all the players, not just homerun hitters and strikeout pitchers..
Vanmorrissey
Agreed. Everyone with a brain knows games (especially Yankees Red Sox) are snooze fests with very little action. Pace of play has been dragged down with hitters adjusting every pad, every sock, every belt loop so of course MLBPA is against a pitch clock but which has been in the minors for 2 or more years. Get over it. Time to make the game more watchable for the fans.
Fever Pitch Guy
Van – If games are a snooze fest it’s because of the short benches, thanks to the bloated bullpens and constant pitching changes.
When the game is on the line with RISP, nobody wants to see a .600 OPS hitter stepping to the plate or a .225 hitter pinch hitting for a .250 hitter because the analytics say it’s a better matchup. We want to see quality hitters pinch hitting, quality runners pinch running, and players who can hit and field their position well, rather than “versatile” players who can’t hit and can’t field but are playing only because of their “versatility” … jack of all trades, master of none types like Marwin Gonzalez and Danny Santana.
Pete'sView
I’m not sure I’d include Marwin in your post, but I agree with your basic premise.
NationalNightmare
Pretty much where I am. The game has always evolved and traditional solutions are clearly not working with how things are changing. I will forever loathe the ghost runner, however.
deweybelongsinthehall
Again, why ignore the obvious? There will be more stolen bases but as long as pitchers overthrow, there will still be too many pitching changes, injuries, walks and strikeouts.
migg
The shift is terrible to look at, but really, if you are not able to beat it, don’t be a hitter
Rsox
Even the best hitters will struggle if all they can do is pull the ball and there are 3 Infleiders on one side the field and a 4th in the OF. No Major League defense should look like an onside kick is coming.
That said, all it would take is for hitters to start laying down bunts (especially LH hitters with no fielders on the 3B side) to get teams to start re-thinking extreme shifts anyway
falconsball1993
Then they aren’t the “best hitters”. The best hitters don’t get shifted on. The ones that can’t go the other way do.
longines64
I agree. Sad part is bunting is a lost art. Curt Schilling was the best bunter on the team with the Phillies.
deweybelongsinthehall
How many bunt hits did Jerry Remy get in his career? Never mind the superstars. Players like Remy would take what the defense gave them and by bunting it would force the defense to change and open up holes.
Rsox
Remy was good for laying them down. The master was Brett Butler. Butler holds 6 of the top 10 records for bunt hits in a season with a ML record 29 in 1992. If the odds of Rickey Henderson leading off a game with a Home Run were good, the odds of Brett Butler leading off the game with a bunt single were better
JackStrawb
@migg That’s hilariously awful. IF HITTERS COULD BEAT THE SHIFT, THEY WOULD BEAT THE SHIFT.
Do you think the average hitter isn’t hitting .300 only because they’re ornery cusses who refuse to follow Willie Keeler’s advice? Jaysus. Go try hitting nuclear sliders such that it beats a shift against you. Go. Try it.
deweybelongsinthehall
For what they potentially can earn, shouldn’t they learn their profession? After all, aren’t MLB players considered professionals?
poppopts
No, the hitters are stupid. With all that room to the other side, batting averages could increase 50 points if players knew HOW to hit, instead of worrying about launch angle and how far they can hit a home run.
Sunday Lasagna
@rammac “the shift is stupid”,…..don’t let the defense be where the ball is hit the most…..really? Instead of the batters adapting and hitting the ball to the holes the shifts create, the shift gets banned. Let’s do this in football too, lineman and linebackers must stay within the offensive tackles, no more moving around and shifting to best defend, why should offenses have to figure out how to beat a defense in any sport? Make all defenses in every sport conform……it’s ridiculous. If a batter is going to only pull the ball, they deserve to have 7 fielders on their pull side…but, but it’s not fair, the other team put all their fielders where I always hit the ball, wah, wah, wah…..truly ridiculous
GreenMonsta
“Make all defenses in every sport conform”
Basketball players can’t camp in the paint. Hockey players cant cross the blue line without the puck. Offensive players have tons of rules in NFL, even Defense has a few (remember when CBs could touch receivers, as long as the ball wasn’t in the air).
Rules change all the time in the other sports, if anything, baseball is behind the times.
Pete'sView
WampumWalloper— Even the best hitter will find it almost impossible to hit to the opposite field with most pitchers throwing in the mid- to high 90’s. Banning the shift will bring more action and excitement to the game, as it used to be.
Sunday Lasagna
@Pete, harder fastballs give the batter less time to react, a short low launch angle stroke to knock grounders into that open opposite side hole is an easier task than a big swing to pull the ball into the shift. Opposite field hitters Rod Carew & George Brett had the best averages against 100.9 mph throwing Nolan Ryan. Derek Jeter took hard fastballs the other way as good as anyone, it was a regular occurrence.
Pete'sView
George Brett is one of my all-time favorite players, but you’re picking out one of the greatest hitters of all time. Rod Carew was terrific, but I don’t see how you can equate two Hall of Famers who hit well against uber fastballs to most players—who now—have to face almost every pitcher throwing that speed.
Just look at Major League averages this year (and years recently past), the game has changed to something less watchable because we don’t get to see more action, more athletic fielding, more daring on the basepaths, more doubles and triples. To hell with launch angles, I want to see the best of all players, and not the ones—like Joey Gallo—who’s awful at most of the game but can get by on one of the myriad of skills needed to be a true Major Leaguer. Do we really want everyone to be a Dave Kingman or Hunter Strickland? I doubt it if you’re a true baseball fan.
Sunday Lasagna
@pete best players, more action, definitely in favor, I’m not too confident these changes will bring that on, but hopefully I’m wrong.
No Salary Cap For You! (Come Back One Year)
@pete best Nice unintentional Beatles Reference 🙂
Pete'sView
WampumWalloper— I guess wanting to find out is what makes us fans. Sure is going to be fun watching the evolution of baseball. Well, I hope it’s evolution.
Pete'sView
Altuve’s Buzzer Cheat Device— Ya mean “To hell with launch angles?” One of my FabFour favorites.
But, of course, the old drummer needs afew mentions, after all.
deweybelongsinthehall
The game has changed because pitchers are told to overthrow the same way Curry’s amazing ability to shoot from anywhere and the three point shot have hurt basketball. Most may argue basketball is better today. Not me. When both teams simply throw up bricks, the game is nauseous to watch. The saving grace for the NBA is the game is played with a clock. That’s what baseball is trying to do.
flamingbagofpoop
Someone doesn’t understand hitting…
TMQ
Are you really using football as your example against banning the shift? The NFL has more rules regarding where players can or can’t be before the ball is snapped then any other league or sport. Banning the shift is perfectly logical because frankly it never should’ve been allowed in the first place.
flamingbagofpoop
Why?
rct
Banning the shift is telling teams where they can position their defense. It is a massive L to ban the shift. A team should be able to play their players wherever they want. If you can’t get a hit, it’s your fault.
braves2
no it’s not, there are no positions in baseball, per the rulebook. the players in the field have always been allowed to stand wherever they want
JackStrawb
No, the shift is actually smart. Amazing it took baseball this long to figure that out.
But it makes the game less interesting, so they’re getting rid of it. Good. They ended killing catchers as typical sport with a runner on 3B. Good. They moved fences out to what is roughly their optimal distance, creating excitement without ending HRs. Good.
pgapro06
Why is it stupid? Because it’s effective in getting batters out? If it’s not effective why is it being eliminated? Batters should learn to go the other way.
tico8
Baseball is dead
JoeBrady
Baseball is dead
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I remember the day it died. It was 1978, I believe, when the writers declared that soccer was the future.
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Rsox
Bye bye miss American pie. Drove my Chevy to the levy but the levy was dry…
Cohens_Wallet
Always something with these two.
aTouchOfSarcasm
Also: Pitchers will no longer be allowed to be compared to a “Belly Itcher” by the opposing team.
Henceforth batters will undergo therapy so as not to cry when called an “Easy Out” by the opposing team who have moved all their defenders to within 9 feet of home plate.
SliderWithCheese
All dumb and just a cash grab. The pitch clock will be brought to you by…… the bases will be larger to fit a corporate image on them and the shift is only being altered so the broadcast can show the entire field and signage all at once. They tried to do his while I was attending Yale by having Kellogg sponsoring the urinals
Milwaukee-2208
I feel like you’re that drunk uncle at thanksgiving that won’t stop talking about conspiracy theories and politics
Cardsfan21
I know we are sworn enemies, but well played here
beastee
Don’t feel it… He Literally IS that guy 100% and the Yale namedrop was just the icing.
cpdpoet
Charles Emmerson Winchester went to Harvard…..
SliderWithCheese
All the dumb liberals went there. Everyone from Obama to Zuckerberg to Kennedy. That school is forever stained
JoeBrady
Vive Che!
aTouchOfSarcasm
Tell us about the time you solved the ‘unsolvable equation’ written on the hallway chalkboard while you attended MIT, while working part time as a custodian…
Giants78
Yale urinals, really? Did you make past that and axshualy graduate?
SliderWithCheese
I did, and after undergrad I went on and completed my MBA. Call the registrar and ask about me. To this day, I’m still a legend on campus.
mike-5
Shift and larger based I’m good with. Pitch clock I absolutely hate. It’s gonna give the runners an advantage. Pitcher steps off or tries pick off twice the runner has a running advantage
User 401527550
Then don’t throw over twice. Let the runners run. It’s more exciting with people moving then standing around waiting for three run homers.
NicoHoerndawg
That was my initial impression as well, except that the pitcher can still step off after that without penalty if he records an out on a base runner. The penalty if he doesn’t record the out is a balk. So if the runner gets too good of a jump the pitcher can step off the rubber and get the runner out anyway. So it’s not really a free pass for baserunners to steal. Between the 2 step off rule, and the pitch clock, I think this is gonna create a weird 3-way cat & mouse game amongst the pitcher, batter and base runner. The pitcher will have to sometimes rush into their windup and kinda quick-pitch sometimes just to keep everyone honest with the batter and runner staying engaged in the game. I’m not psyched about these changes, but can see how it’s gonna make the game more interesting. It’s definitely going to create action, but it also puts a lot on the pitcher’s mind in these situations that some won’t execute their pitch as well, and that will then create better hitting and scoring opportunities which the game sorely needs.
JoeBob33
Rule will be only two pickoff attempts? Where does it say that. Can only step off twice but that’s a pure time waster.
itsmeheyhi
You have to step off the rubber before attempting a pickoff or it’s a balk.
boggie77
But the umps are still horrible along with the strike calling. Horrible!
User 401527550
Agreed. An automated strike zone needs to be implemented ASAP.
Joe says...
I’ve lost track of how many times people have said a rule change ruined the game because it was perfect the way it was.
KingZeke8
I can get behind the pitch clock and bigger bases. Not limiting shifts. This and many other reasons are why MLB has lost me as a fan over the past few years. It’s not the same and it never will be again.
drasco036
I’m fine with requiring two players on either side of the field but 1.) not switching sides and 2.) not allowing a fielder to set up with his feet in the grass are beyond stupid.
ManFred has been hellbent to add offense and since sign stealing and juiced baseballs both got outed, this is his next best option…. And bigger bases? Really? He claims bigger bases are for player safety but git rid of the “area rule” for second base? Seems legit…
DarkSide830
What is the point of switching though if you have two on each side?
Gwynning
@Darkside- you could put your better defender on the pull-side everytime. Example- moving Machado to 2nd base side against lefties, then back to 3rd against righties.
drasco036
Exactly, you can swap your shortstop to second and play him deeper but I guess that takes too much time?
KingZeke8
It’d be hilarious, watch some teams expand the infield dirt by 5-10 feet or so just to stick it to this rule.
Gwynning
“Why does this infield look 250 feet deep?”
“Because it is.”
taran7
And yet here you are posting on an mlb thread
blueboy714
I would like to know how each committee member voted
Gwynning
So MLB wants to “speed up the game” but elongates commercial breaks. Stupid new rules. Just give the ump more clearance to say stuff like “get in the box” or “you need to hurry up between pitches” and the like. As far as banning the shift- worst idea the Competition Committee has ever had. We don’t tell NFL teams that the Nickel is banned, we don’t tell NHL that they have to have 3 Defenseman at all times… if the batter wants to commit to a dead-pull swing then I suggest retooling your swing for basehits the other way. Now I understand what my grandpa was talking about when he said “the game is changin’ and not for the better.” I’d love to hear everyone’s thoughts, I’m certainly rambling by now, but I have lots of points to counter or explain. Enjoy your day everybody!
Joe says...
“We don’t tell NFL teams that the Nickel is banned”
No but they do tell them where they can line up before the play starts, just like the shift does.
Also rules have changed that doesn’t allow DBs to mug recievers anymore to allow for a more watchable game.
Sports games change rules all the time to make them more interesting to watch. Baseball should be no different.
Gwynning
Agreed, but within reason. As far as telling NFL players where to line up… yes, it’s called the Line of Scrimmage. They were never allowed to step over it, but we don’t limit them on where they can stand on their side.
GreenMonsta
Bringing up football is not a good argument. They’ve had so many rule changes over the past 40 years. Just because Defensive Alignments isn’t one of them, doesn’t mean they haven’t made their own changes to speed up the game, produce more offense and make the game safer. If scoring went down, and NFL owners felt it was because of new defensive schemes and alignments, you can bet they would make restrictive rules too.
Gwynning
Yes Croagnut, hard to compare apples to oranges. Insert your own analogies then, the point of the matter just happens to be defensive alignment. I’m all for player safety… but I fail to see how banning the shift affects player safety one way or the other.
GreenMonsta
Larger bases make it safer. That is one of the rule changes.
Why does something so specific as ‘defensive alignment’ have to be the same? Are you saying baseball is only allowed to change rules football already has? Football increased scoring by allowing Wide Receivers to run free and protecting QBs. Baseball chose smaller parks and banning defensive alignments.
As far as defensive alignments go: Basketball doesnt allow players to linger in the Paint. Hockey doesnt allow anyone but the goalie in the crease. Soccer . . . who cares.
deweybelongsinthehall
Exactly. Baseball is my sport. I tune in an NFL game and I can no longer remember when the clock stops. It used to be incomplete passes, going out of bounds and at the two minute warnings. The rules were changed because the NFL had to change some rules for safety which has made it much easier to throw. It’s simply impossible to compare Unitas to P. Manning, Starr to Brady or Bradshaw to Favre.
rct
“No but they do tell them where they can line up before the play starts, just like the shift does.”
On defense? No, they don’t. You can put your defenders anywhere. There’s no illegal formation on defense.
Joe says...
It’s called the line of scrimmage rct and the defense can’t cross it until the play starts. As is in baseball with the shift, once the ball is in play, the players can go wherever they want.
Gwynning
Yes Joe, but pre-snap the Defense could line up in a row, shift 14 times, quack like ducks and do the hokie-pokie if they wanted to. It’s up to the Offense to beat them. Moving after the snap/ball contact is a moot point, that’s called sports in action. Thanks for all the counterpoints today, I’ve enjoyed the banter.
Joe says...
Gwynning, check out MLB.Com. They did an article about the rule changes and the comparison to rules in other sports. Well worth the read.
Also Joel Sherman had some very good points on the subject today on MLB Network.
drasco036
Manfred is a politician, look at this hand and pay no attention to the other… he contradicts player safety one second while saying “making bigger bases is about player safety” the next.
I just want him to be honest and say he wants more offense. Baseball is only considered “slow” because of the lack of offense and that is what most casual fans want to see… they don’t care about a strike out in the third inning but they get excited about runs scoring.
Gwynning
Thank you drasco, I agree completely. Manfred is a master at talking out of both sides of his mouth, and it’s rather perturbing. Just be honest, end of story.
ohyeadam
The offense has strict rules about where they can line up in football. The NBA has gone back and forth on their use of zone defenses.
I’d prefer guys didn’t try to pull everything over banning the shift. Banning the shift is rewarding one trick ponies
Gwynning
Yes ohyeadam, the Offense has stricter rules on where to line up… but we’re talking about defense. If my Pads want to put 7 defenders right of second base against Joey Gallo, then they should be able to. It’s on Gallo to hit it the other way. I appreciate your analogies and points!
ohyeadam
Baseball is the only sport where defense holds the ball, so i thought it was relevant
Gwynning
Great point!
drasco036
Cricket
Gwynning
Better point!
foppert
As a man who grew up with cricket, I could never see the fuss in either the “bare handed play” or “going the other way”. Very much a case of a basic skill in that game. While the view on The bare handed play remains
foppert
As a man who grew up with cricket, I could never see the fuss in either the “bare handed play” or “going the other way”. Very much a case of a basic skill in that game. While the view on the bare handed play remains, I’ve switched on hitting the other way. Evidence suggests that hitting a fast moving round ball with a round bat the other way into a 45 degree arc, is immeasurably harder than doing it with a flat surface into a 180 degree arc.
Time to concede and change the rule.
KingZeke8
“Just give the ump more clearance to say stuff like “get in the box” or “you need to hurry up between pitches””
That’s the thing: umps have that authority. There was already a rule in place limiting amount of time between pitches and batters staying in the box. The worst thing? There was a rule in place BEFORE THAT for this same stuff. Umps just don’t enforce it.
Gwynning
That’s what I’m trying to say- enforce it. Just absolutely ridiculous we have to consider a rule to make a rule to enforce another rule. I may have phrased it improperly to begin with but thanks for making that point more clear. Are the umps just sackless to say something? Or does it fall upon deaf ears? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one ump have an apparent “speed-up” discussion.
KingZeke8
Well it’s a double edged sword for them. What happens when an ump steps in and says get in the box or throw the ball? People complain online that it’s an ump show. Not only that, but it can also draw the ire of the players. They’re hesitant to say something because whenever they do, it’s usually followed by criticism.
Gwynning
Yes, and I get it, but then they also stare down benches and are quick to toss players & coaches. Sensible application and interjections would seem to be the common sense solution, but here we are. Great talk Zeke, wish I could buy you a beer!
TMQ
Teams never used to shift their infield with any regularity until recently. So I’m not exactly sure how it changing the game from how it used to be played. The shift is a new issue not some storied part of baseball history.
KingZeke8
But that’s the thing: how is it an issue? Baseball has always been special in that aside from the pitcher and catcher, the other 7 fielders could line up essentially wherever they wanted with very few exceptions. This rule is rewarding mediocrity. It’s rewarding players who can’t hit the ball the other way. I see it as nothing other than teams finding a legal way to get an edge and MLB artificially stopping it. I despise when MLB steps in for stuff like this. The juiced ball over the past 5-6 years especially really got to me. The game itself has always balanced itself out naturally, just let it happen. It’s clear MLB wants more offense because offense is more exciting. I just hate seeing it at the expense of other facets of the game.
2012orioles
Don’t care for any of these. I’d rather them fix mlb blackouts, have an nfl films styled “mic’d up” each week and create a montage, don’t have a 30 second ad for every YouTube video when people want to watch a single swing, open the ballpark 2 hours before the game (many have moved to 1 hour). I couls go on. Banning the shift and shaving 2 minutes off the game isn’t gonna grow the game
C Yards Jeff
Me neither. I guess I’m a traditionalist? Still peeved when the powers that be lowered the mound and reduced the strike zone prior to the 1969 season. And I barely tolerate the DH rule. My issue is not length but quality of play.
Yankee Clipper
Jeff, you make an excellent point here. And, what’s interesting is that while talking about pace of play and shifts, Manfred also deadened the baseball, creating a greater need for action. Batting stats are at an all-time low because of the changes he made to the baseball. How did that help with in-game action or offense? Banning the shift is just a way to try to mitigate the damage created by putting a dead baseball in play. It’s very strange.
Joe says...
Clipper, I don’t think the final verdict can be made on the changes this soon. Players mindsets will need to adjust and that could take a couple of years easily. Some are never likely to change. How often have we screamed at the tv while watching Gleyber Torres swinging for the fence like it’s still 2019.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I agree, Joe. My response was referencing Jeff’s statement that his biggest problem was the current quality of play. I agree with that. I’m not sure if any rule changes will have any impact on it, but I do know that playing the dead ball demonstrably affected offense league-wide for the worse.
Heck, Tex would still be playing had they banned the shift before.
Gwynning
Home run Clip, you got all of that one! Undo some tweaks, undeaden the pelota and have umps emphasize existing rules and all would be solved… until the next perceived issue that is. Cheers amigo
Yankee Clipper
Gwynning: Ya know, that’s the part of this that does get under my skin a bit… the umpires don’t enforce existing rules, and in reality, the rules are only as good as those who enforce them. For example, say we change all these rules, but managers, analytics teams, & players figure out loopholes in the never-ending rabbit hole of countermeasures. Or, umps simply get lax with these rules, like many others, and don’t enforce them as strictly. We are back to where we started but with a series of newly implemented rules to muddy the waters of the game.
I have no idea what will happen. I hope it will do exactly as they say. But, after the Manfred baseball changes that already occurred, I am very skeptical of anything MLB does for the good of fandom anymore, primarily because it always seems at odds with my personal enjoyment of the game, ie, the Manfred ghost runner, which does exactly none of what they say, despite testing & evaluation.
Simply put, I don’t have very much faith in Manfred & co.’s interpretation of what enjoyable baseball is going to be.
Gwynning
You’ve just about nailed it down to the bones, Clip. Umps won’t ump some things… and here we are.
Of course teams/players will flex on their countermeasures. Are pitchers going to pause midway in their wind-up to shake off the catcher? Sounds odd, but at least he started his motion on time! Are outfielders going to flop around like soccer players with phantom hamstring injuries so their pitcher can get a moment with their catcher? Manfred said injuries won’t affect the “Rubber rules”… so is MLB going to do a deep dive on player’s medical charts to determine if an injury was real or not? While these are whimsical “what-ifs” they’re also not too far removed from reality when you hear players already whispering such fanciful notions. As Bruce Lee said- Be like water.
I too have no idea what will happen and like you I hope it works as they say… but I feel as though we’re muddying the waters with too many rancid rules. As we’ve discussed, I feel the best action would be to unwind some of these recent changes, empower and provoke the Umps to ump and maybe juice the ball a little if we feel Offense is underwhelming. Sometimes simple is better, but alas, we have a shared skepticism about Manfred making the right call. Are we pessimistic or realistic? I suppose I’m too rooted in reality to believe he’s going to “do the right thing” by me because I’ve yet to see him do so. I bore witness to his assembly and slideshow yesterday; his pretentiousness of claiming this is all “for the fans” made my heart sink a little more.
Hoping for the best and prepared for the Manfred! Good luck Clip, always a great chat.
Doral Silverthorn
For the record, as a fan, I have never wanted a baseball game I’ve attended to end faster. That’s it. That’s my comment.
beastee
yeah, 2 hours and 38 minute games will equate to about 80 dollars an hour of entertainment prices. I want my 4 hour sludge fests!
beyou02215
Part of the fun of going to a game is the relaxed, low key atmosphere. Why rush things? If you’ve had enough, leave after the 7th inning. No one is stopping you. For me anyway, making games end sooner means that I am less inclined to want to go to a game. I’ll save the money.
JoeBrady
I don’t particularly mind longer games, but the time issues I object to are:
1-I love Pedey, but I don’t care to spend 2-3 minutes a game watching him adjust his gloves.
2-I remember the good olde days of watching Buchholz shaking off the catcher 5-6 times on every fracking pitch.
3-And I don’t particularly see the need for pitchers to throw over to 1st trying to keep Papi close, especially given that Papi averaged less than 1 SB a season, and was usually standing on the base when the pitcher threw over.
A lot of this is just making players do stuff more sensically.
smuzqwpdmx
I have wanted a game to end quicker, and left that game in the 9th, but only because I had to catch the last train of the night.
allphilly
Absolutely love all these improvements. A little curious how the two throws over to hold a runner will work. Might increase stolen base attempts. will team’s put more focus on finding catchers with good arms?
Gwynning
Just curious, but did you ever play the game and if so, how high did you go? Not an attack, just genuinely curious as your take is a complete polar opposite of mine. Thanks.
allphilly
I hit a stellar .231 in my lone season of Div 2 ball. I look at MLB a bit differently than many, I think. I look at it strictly as entertainment. I watch because I enjoy it even when the Phillies lose year after year. I think removing shifts will make the game more fun. So will increasing SB attempts. I also think that all of these changes will result in counter-strategies, which will also be fun. Most people hate change but I think this will all be for the better.
Gwynning
Thank you for your perspective. I think removing shifts rewards the weaker hitters in the Show. Does this allow for more baserunners and runs being scored? Yes, probably. Theoretically at least. The larger bases is an immediate help to baserunners/stealers but limiting the pitcher to (x) number of throwovers is silly. Perhaps this will be amended down the road. The Pitch Clock is completely unnecessary. As explained elsewhere here, the umps just need to enforce the existing rules. Thanks again for your retort!
Inside Out
Banning the shift is ridiculous. Why are we preventing teams from using player tendencies to adjust their set up? What is next, pitchers aren’t allowed to throw curveballs more than once an at bat because some players can’t hit them? Look for about 100 steals from the fastest players now because of the limitation on pickoffs. It is what happened in the minors.
notnamed
electronic strike zone would help, and, as previously mentioned by someone, knees and armpit strike zone
paddyo furnichuh
Armpit? I thought it was closer to the navel (roughly 2 times the diameter of a baseball above the hitter’s belt).
For Love of the Game
The MLBPA says it provided “specific and actionable feedback on the changes proposed.” Please share it with the fans if you want us on your side of the argument. I’d say it was MLB that provided specifics, like minutes saved per game on timed pitches and reduced numbers of injuries when base size is increased. What say you MLBPA?
Gwynning
The PA hates the clock and shift ban.
For Love of the Game
Thanks for that “specific and actionable feedback!”
Gwynning
I re-read what you typed afterwards and I apologize for the incomplete response. I, like you, have yet to hear their particular qualms. I was wound up in the moment and let out with a nonsensical response that I now know you understand. Let’s wait for their “official” response! Good day FLOTG!
baseballpun
These are all awful.
Gwynning
The larger bases I can live with, but point taken.
baseballpun
That is certainly the least annoying. I don’t think it really matters, which makes it pointless, but more or less harmless. I guess I feel the same about the pitch clock.
FaithlessValor 2
I find it frustrating and not at all surprising that the 11-person voting committee has 6 owners, 4 players, and 1 umpire — allows MLB to say it was a wonderful cross-faction agreement while enacting their entire will without requiring a single vote from a non-owner.
Prospectnvstr
Faithless: I agree. I’d change it from a 11-person committee to 15. I’d have 7 owners 5 players 3 umpires. I’d also make it that all parties voted, no abstaining from votes.
Humm bumms
Don’t see any of this drawing new fans to the game, but do see long time fans (traditionalists) becoming disenchanted.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
They should combine the two (pitching and shifting) and have it so the pitch clock time keeps changing. So it could be 5 seconds one pitch and the next you get 30 seconds.
beyou02215
I could maybe get behind these rules except for the ‘2 off the rubber’ rule. If that limits pickoffs to two, then the base runners are going to have a huge advantage when it comes to stealing bases and that will fundamentally change the game. But what can I say other than these new stupid rules are the result of having a commissioner who hates baseball?
BaseballClassic1985
That’s the whole point, bringing some extra action to the game. Base stealing used to be an exciting part of baseball. Watching Rickey Henderson and Willie Wilson and Vince Coleman, etc., terrorize pitchers and catchers with their speed was great to watch.
You can hold a runner on effectively by varying your time to home plate, you don’t necessarily need to attempt pickoff throws more than twice.
smuzqwpdmx
Watching Rickey Henderson walk to second because a pitcher failed to get him on the third pickoff attempt and couldn’t hold the ball due to the pitch clock… well, that would not have been as exciting.
Prospectnvstr
Beyou: The “chicks dig the long ball era” pretty much put the stolen base & the Get’m on, Get’m over and Get’m in part of the game almost obsolete. Now with the “3 true outcomes” that we’re in now it’s pretty hard to watch. There’s some decent games aa well, but not as many as there should.
Pads Fans
MLB can implement rules the players don’t want, but they will pay the price come CBA renewal.
For Love of the Game
MLB will be fine IF the new rules speed play and increase attendance and $$$.
beastee
Runs per game are sure to go up with teams having many more runners on 2nd base and no shifting for players to knock them in. Speedsters are viable again!
BaseballClassic1985
If the pitch clock shaved 26 minutes off of minor games, that’s wonderful. Not necessarily for cutting down the length of the game, but for speeding up the action.
I’m glad they are implementing changes to the shift. You can still shade hitters on either side of the bag, but you can’t build an impenetrable wall on one side of the infield.
This will also bring about more diving stops and hurried throws resulting in close plays at 1st base, which bring excitement to the game. Glad I won’t have to see the SS playing shallow RF any longer.
stymeedone
I know not many keep score any more, but it will sure be more meaningful for a 5-3 play to actually mean the batter hit it to third, rather than trying to remember where the 3B was actually positioned.
geoffb1982
Is this Little League? What’s next? A mercy rule? Everyone must get at least one at bat? Ban the automatic runner at second too! FU Manfred! Obviously never picked up a baseball in his life
GabrielJames
What is the penalty for going over the time?
Cmurphy
During the testing phase, a ball was awarded for exceeding the time.
I’m okay with the pitch clock, it’s annoying to watch some pitchers taking forever (Pedro Baez) to make one pitch. I hate the shift but not a fan of a rule banning it.
GabrielJames
I agree they don’t need to ban the shift. Teams should be allowed to get creative in the way they deploy their defense. Are there more ground ball outs instead of singles creeping through? Sure, that’s the point of the shift. It doesn’t diminish anything for me. I think there will be a significant uptick in injuries that MLB isn’t really accounting for. Fielders covering more ground trying to make tougher plays can result in injury (banning the shift), more stolen base attempts can obviously lead to more injuries (two throwover rule), and pitchers having less time to rest between pitches. Pitchers will adjust, I’m sure. I’m in favor of the 2 throws over, because it adds another strategy wrinkle, and the pitch clock, because it could lead to quicker games, and would favor starters a lot more than relievers, where it feels the current setup is kind of the other way around.
davidk1979
The pick off rule is stupid I’m fine with the rest.
bwmiller
All the rules they added will dilute the game and it’s history, pitch clocks will destroy baseball’s finest moments, but you’ll get home 26 minutes sooner, it’s a pointless addition.
Bigger bases… idiots…
I love the shift, any strategic game play adds to the game, for the manager to have to make a decision like implementing a defensive scheme in situational at bats makes baseball great,if you can’t hit the ball to the other field, learn to, or hit it over the fence.
No true baseball fan on earth likes any of these changes.
Pete'sView
Wrong.
cpdpoet
In my early 50’s here, been watching baseball since 1975, imo Pete’s View is correct.
It’s not about getting home 26mins earlier.
All the Nomah, Pedroia posturing has graduated to the Odubals and LoMo’s of the current era….I do not want to see batters posture, readjust ALL their hardware…preen etc
I do get the beauty of baseball is that there are (well was) no clocks, well when players abuse the system for so long it is costing fans viewership. I used to love watching games that weren’t my Phillies, now not so much….
MLB has tried it out in the minors, worked out the kinks and now it is time for the majors….
bwmiller
I’m all for the dramatics in those big spots, when a pitcher has to breathe in and compose himself as he holds a pair of runners on first and second while protecting a one run lead, and the batter is charged with driving in the tying run,
With the pitch clock, we’ll be mowing through every important spot in the game, they’ll still be important spots but you’ll miss the little dramatics and the extra breath a pitcher takes before delivering the ball, the tension that builds in those are bats and those spots of the game is what makes baseball so great, you lolly gag through six innings to get to those are bats, and hopefully to a few more of those are bats in the seventh eighth and ninth, who gives a bum if you shave off 26 minutes from the average game.
Here’s another thing to think about, or so I believe, the pitch clock will eventually lead to more walks, as the pitcher has more on his mind every pressure situation that he faces, he also has to worry about this stupid pitch clock and what is it if you throw the ball late? A balk? That sucks.
goalieguy41
Leave the f***ing game alone
put it in the books
More of Manfred doing his best to destroy the game year after year
Old York
The sliding into the base and getting injured is mainly because guys gave up on sliding feet first in concerns that they would violate a rule. Really, they should get rid of those shiny bases and get the soft ones that they used to play on. This would reduce most of the injuries when sliding.
A'sfaninUK
Bunting causes more injuries and is a low percentage play that the fans dont play to see. It flies in the face of the “see ball, hit ball” mantra that the game lives by. These are HITTERS, not bunters. That’s what they get paid to do and what we pay to see. Bunts kill more rallies than they start. How many outs are wasted that end the inning with the runner on 3rd? Especially with good-to-elite hitters its a miserable tactic that has to go.
A'sfaninUK
*pay to see
DarkSide830
But bunting is my favorite way to see players break their fingers!
A'sfaninUK
Love when a big name/money FA has to miss 12 weeks of the season because a 75 year old who still thinks its 1982 decided to not use his .900 OPS bat to do a thing that at best, tops out at around a .250 OPS – but with runners moved over! In a game where we have dozens of guys with 500 foot home run power (Hi C Yelich). Smart.
Even when bunting works, you get 1 base. Whoop de doo. You could have done the same thing while wasting pitch count if you drew a walk. Bunting should be illegal. No one is good at it, it sucks to see, it doesn’t do what everyone says it does most of the time.
SaltLakeBrave
@A’sfan, being a fan of the Athletic’s, you are obviously an American League fan. But, you do not speak for me or many other fans especially, those of us who are fans of the National League. We love the bunt. Leave the game alone.
CaseyAbell
I like all the new rules. I would be interested in more details of just what the players union wanted. What was their “specific and actionable feedback” about the new rules? Did the players just reject the pitch clock altogether and any limits on the shift? Or did they try to finesse the issues?
Anyway, I think the rules will be popular with fans who are tired of games lasting for three-and-a-half hours and the shift gobbling up so many hits. So down the road the rules will be accepted and life will go on.
bwmiller
I disagree. Baseball is great because of the moments within the game, the first and third with two outs in the eighth, when the game slows down and every pitch is alive, the entire stadium comes into focus.
Not every game is great, not every game has those moments, but those are the moments that everyone remembers and that baseball fans live for.
The pitch clock will take that away, and sure the game will go on but it will be different.
The bigger bases is laughable, how many players are out there saying, “you know what, these bases are FN dangerous, we need some bigger bases out here,” give me a FN break.
The shift is great for baseball, learn how to FN bunt.
Old York
@CaseyAbell
I guess the fans of the 1920s through 60s were so bored because as a league, the MLB had 2X fewer hits than we’ve seen today. Oh wait, it was one of the most popular times for MLB.
baseball-almanac.com/hitting/hihits3.shtml
MLBs problem is trying to tinker with every little aspect of the game in an attempt to squeeze out an extra few minutes to go home. Baseball today has become more strategic and focused on data instead of playing the game. I think you problem is that MLB doesn’t want to face the elephant in the room, that is data, that is destroying the game’s fun. To be honest, while growing up in the 90s, I didn’t care about the length of the game because I really liked to watch and play it. I stayed up very late with my mother to watch all the WS games and it turned me into a life-long fan.
Another problem they have is they have far too many hitters who are focused on 3-true outcomes. I get that guys are throwing harder and it may make it harder to hit but we’re talking professional level hitters not beer league guys. Their job is to hit the ball and if they can’t hit the ball, what value are they if they hit 40 solo HRs and 200+ Ks per year? I’d prefer if we focused more on RBI Percentage that simply takes RBI (minus HR) and divides it by the total number of runners that are on base when the batter comes to the plate.. That’s the stat we should be focused on and whether or not a hitter is capable of doing that or not.
CaseyAbell
There are many more hits today than from 1920 through 1960? Sorry, but there were generally a lot more hits in that era than today. In 1930, for instance, hits per game averaged over twenty. This year the average is down to about sixteen hits per game.
If anything, the new rules on the shift should discourage three-true-outcomes play. Hitters will be able to get more hard-hit balls through the infield and might concentrate less on lifting the ball over shifted infielders.
Old York
@CaseyAbell
Total hits per season is now about double what they were back then. How can anyone say we’re starved for hits with so many compared to before.
In the 1920s, hits sat around the low 20,000s while today, they sit around the low 40,000s.
As for the shift changes, I doubt it makes much of a difference. You could technically have both guys from 3rd and SS set-up right next to 2nd base and once the ball is thrown, they can maneuver where they need to be. It will probably get so bad that MLB will force players to have one foot on their position bag and measure out a specific spot for SS.
Gwynning
162 game season now helps inflate the overall total. Perhaps a more telling stat would be Hits Per Game?
Old York
@Gwynning
Sure. You could combine that and the one I suggested to have a better picture and encourage more hit-centric players into the game. Should be interesting. I don’t think this so-called ban on shifts is going to acheive much. Maybe a few more hits that wouldn’t get through but they can still technically shift and move around as they like even with this ruling.
Gwynning
I agree completely. Enjoy the day!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Hits per game played by your team. deGrom and Kershaw would be the best pitchers per game but Alcantara and Urias played the whole season.
GreenMonsta
The 1931 Chicago Cubs: Look at the Batting Averages
baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/1931.shtml
Imagine if teams today had lineups like this.
Gwynning
Hit the other way, beat the shift. Choke up and slap something down. Take extra bunting practice. Lose 5lbs and gain a half step. Adjustments can (and should) be made by the hitters. If the data says pitching is “too extreme” then you can reset the pendulum by lowering the mound again. Adding a clock and banning particular defenses to try to attain ¡MOAR OFFENSE! is counterintuitive, not to mention Runs and Hits went down in MiLB under these practices.
ShoelessJoeHallofFame
Are your quoted statistics on the number of hits factoring in the overall increase in the number of teams? Most expansion has occurred since 1960.
DarkSide830
Finally, the 3B will play 3B, the SS SS, the 2B at 2B and the 1B will play 1B.
Old York
Not necessarily. You could still shift guys close to 2nd base and allow them to still take hits away. Again, this isn’t so much a defense issue so much as a problem with developing far too many 3-true outcome hitters.
A'sfaninUK
That’s factually untrue, they arent 3TO guys, they are guys who were normally called “good hitters” who came up against a cheat code that was too powerful for them.
Old York
@A’sfaninUK
Say hello to Joey Gallo, Mike Zunino, and Kyle Schwarber
NicoHoerndawg
Yeah I’m beginning to wonder if Gallo will actually become a somewhat worthwhile player now? What team will pony up a contract for him for the 2023 season and hope to score a big win without paying him too much?
If Schwarber all of a sudden can be a .280 hitter, that’s great for the Phillies at $20m a year.
A'sfaninUK
@Old York I wasnt denying the existence of TTO guys like Gallo and Zunino, I’m saying the shift put a lot more normal hitters into that group who aren’t even power hitters to begin with.
A'sfaninUK
I am more happy the INF gotta stay on the INF and the OF gotta stay in the OF.
advplee
Why are players on the competition committee since ownership can, and in this case did, do whatever the hell they want? Seems to me they are tokens, there so ownership can claim they include players but still do whatever they want.
jra0903
I actually like all of these changes, but IF you really want to improve the game, start doing something about these BS calls by the umpires….especially when it comes to balls and strikes. I think it is to the point now, to where the umpires do what they want, because they know they will not be held accountable for their errors.
mike127
And I was just getting used to the good old 4-5-3 double play in my scorebook. The 3-5-1 double play was my favorite.
titanic struggle
Leave the game I love alone. A pitch clock is ridiculous, and just as stipid as the ghost runner. I place the blame entirely on Soccer Moms and the so called “men” they rule who won’t stand ip to them. If you have to micro manage every single second of Little Johnny’s life, then here’s a tip, don’t take him to a weekday game so he’ll be fresh for school the next day. Take him on the weekend, and quit complaining about how long the games are!
Old York
@titanic struggle
I think the networks are upset about games going on forever. Takes away potential revenue if the game doesn’t end at a specific time.
titanic struggle
I’m sure you’re right, but I’ve also heard women call into radio sports shows complaining about it..
bwmiller
I like the runner on second in extras and I liked seven inning double headers.
I could live with the new rules on the shift, because you can still shift the SS and 3B to play up the middle but the pitch clock is a bad idea and bigger bases is ridiculous, there is no need for bigger bases.
Robo umps will completely destroy the game, when that comes there will need to be a strike of some sort across all of baseball, MLB, AAA, AA all the way to Rookie league.
I’d hope they’d strike over the pitch clock and bigger bases, bigger bases…
ohyeadam
If they’re messing with the bases why not put the safety base at first so people don’t get stepped on?
mike127
Not exactly sure on the safety base, but the absolutely dumbest rule in baseball is the one that forces the runner to use the running lane between home plate and first base and not be allowed to run a “straight line” to the base. That rule, amongst all, needs to be modified immediately.
Chester Copperpot
Love every one of these rule changes!!
roddy9
BAN THE SHIFT
A'sfaninUK
They kinda did??
MannyPineappleExpress9
Question: how many more stolen bases will there be specifically because 2nd and 3rd bases are now incrementally closer?
I don’t think pitchers will like any of these changes.
PontiacBandit
Now get rid of stupid ghost runners
drasco036
I’m looking forward to pitchers taking injuries so relievers have enough time to warm up.
slammsd
What happens when big sponsor Budweiser complains that beer sales went way down with a shorter game? Seriously, I think changing the shift is fine, but if the SS wants to play on the grass, as long as he’s on the left side of the IF, why not? The great Ozzie Smith used to play a couple feet on the grass for many hitters. Never hurt the game. Pitch clock in theory is fine. But will the horrible MLB umps enforce it? Larger bases, no one will notice. But maybe clarify the running lane at 1B, since the running lane and 1B have never aligned.
drasco036
On the topic of umps and game quality, baseball would be a whole lot more palatable if umpires didn’t make horrendous calls.
NicoHoerndawg
My idea has always been that there needs to be one or two extra umpires for each crew, but they are “replay officials” who are in a room at the ballpark with access to all the tv feeds to view the replays live as the game is happening. Each team can even have a representative in the room to supervise the process. They should have communication with the head ump on the field. They could literally be reviewing every single play right as they happen. No waiting for coaches to have their own guys see a reply and decide whether to challenge and then have to send communication to NYC and get the ball rolling. There are so many times that the review officials could quickly tell the crew chief they got the call wrong and reverse it. This would easily take 5-10 mins off every game. It would all be behind the scenes and happen so fast. They could even go so far as to show the replay that best captures the correct call on the big screen and would make it a better experience for the fans and keep a better pace of game.
dvmin98
Instead of all these rule changes, what needs to happen is umpire accountability because there is none. If you suck to a certain degree, you get sent down to AAA. You wanna make it back, do well down there and hope someone else sucks to reclaim a spot. The umpiring, especially behind the plate, is awful. You wouldn’t need robo umps.
GreenMonsta
Im wondering that when a pitch is thrown, will players start running all over the field to get to the position they’d be in if shift were legal? The two places I read about the rule doesn’t cover this.
Example: You want a shift to 4 OFers, and a right side shift. As soon as the pitcher goes into motion, will the shortstop, who’s positioned right at 2nd base, sprint to the second basemans position, while the second baseman sprints backwards?
It could get comical.
MannyPineappleExpress9
I want to say I read a blurb stating once the pitcher releases the ball (or maybe it was started his motion..) defenders can do whatever they want.
Sounds to me kinda like any movement prior to that point is basically a false start/offsides.
LordD99
Looking forward to it. Let’s see how these work, but MLB shouldn’t be afraid to eliminate these changes or try additional new ones if these don’t work as intended.
manfraud
2 stepoffs per plate appearance seems like a lot. The stepoffs contribute largely towards length of game
FrankRoo
Sure if Pujols is on first. Is 2 enough with Berti on first?
Love Of The Game
Long time reader and very rare I comment. But on pitch clock it deserves one.
Bad idea. If MLB really wishes to improve pace of play then the commissioner and the MLBUA should have the umps heads and rabbit ears out of dugouts and focused on game. Far to often pace is broken because an ump takes time to yell into the dugout. I’m against Robo ump personally as umps do have a place in the game we all love but something needs to be done with the constant yelling into dugouts by umps. That alone would improve pace of play considerably over having already fragile pitchers having to readjust how they work on the mound. This line of thinking by Manfred goes against all he says vis a vis player safety. Just my two cents on the subject.
mils100
I dont really like banning shiffs but it wont matter. BABIP will go up .015 or something super small but walks will go down – shifts lead to a big inceease in walks. Plus, the ss will be next to 2b anyways so still kind of shifting.
One thing to remember is most shifting is recent. 10 yrs ago, shifting was really rare. Yeah, they shifted for Ted Williams sometimes but the shifting we see.now is a recent phenomenon.
NicoHoerndawg
I like the banning of the shift, but I wish they’d do it more thoughtfully with some exclusions.
1- will an outfielder still be able to become a 5th infielder on a crucial bases loaded game winning type play? That’s been around quite a while…
2- 40 years ago there already were some infielders playing a step or two back in the grass for certain game situations. So why not allow even one fielder at a time to line up at least two paces behind the IF dirt if they choose.
3- I agree that the hitters should adapt and get better at hitting the ball where they ain’t. So my thought has always been that maybe defenses should be allowed to use the shift for a total of 5 plate appearances per game. That way it reduces the biggest offenders of just being a pull hitter and refusing to adjust to hitting the ball the other way to being players who won’t be as valued, especially when they are the ones who’s batting averages don’t recover like others will.
mlb1225
Banning the shift is stupid. The pitch clock isn’t going to change as much as some think it will. I’ve been watching Pirates minor league games likely more than the major league team this year and have never really noticed it.
GreenMonsta
The games are finishing 20 minutes faster and you say yourself “have never really noticed it” . So wouldn’t that mean its a success?
Gwynning
MiLB numbers are in black and white for all to see: after the enforcement of the Pitch Clock, Rubber rules (throwovers and step-offs) and the Shift ban… Runs Per Game went from 5.14 to… anyone care to guess?
Old York
@Gwynning
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33767554/pitch-clock-shavi…
Scoring was essentially flat, with the non-clock test set yielding 5.13 runs and 16.1 hits per game while the clock games featured 5.11 runs and 15.9 hits.
Gwynning
Exactly. So after all of Manfred’s silly tweaks, Runs and Hits Per Game actually went down. Silly changes, but hey, we actually sped up and changed the game that every fan loves to watch! I suppose I could be in the minority here but I’ve never been at or watched a game hoping it would be (x) number of minutes shorter. To each their own.
MannyPineappleExpress9
I’ve watched enough Brewer games with Burnes or Woodruff pitching, feeling like eternity will end before the next pitch, let alone inning or game to end. The polar opposite is Brent Suter, who I’m sure if he was allowed to, would have a bucket of balls on the mound and take 5 seconds or less between pitches.
So, yeah, I’m in favor of speeding things up a touch. Yesterday’s early game vs the Giants I think was 2:20ish. Ironically, Burnes started and went 8 innings. Way way better than the ones that push 4 hours with 5 total runs scored.
Gwynning
That’s fine and all but I would retort we could get to the same conclusion if the umps just enforced existing rules. In your assessment, would a Pitch Clock have aided yesterday’s admittedly short game? I’m not a staunch advocate for “some things should never change” but MLB has never had a clock. That has forever been a certain appeal to the game. Seems silly to add one now. Let’s see how often (and if) it will even be enforced. Umps would already seem to look the other way with regards to this and they would also seem to project that they already have too much on their (home) plate. Cheers Manny
MannyPineappleExpress9
I highly doubt anything would have further shortened yesterday’s game. It didn’t need further shortening. The problem to me is games such as that are quite rare. I’m totally fine with anything at or around the 3 hour mark..of course there are exceptions to that as well. It’s like I said, when so many games are pushing 4 hours, and the main issues are pitchers and batters taking forever between pitches, it is boring.
It will be interesting to see how well, or even if these rules are enforced. If it’s as inconsistent as the strike zone, it won’t help much.
Gwynning
Great post Manny, and one I would agree with through and through. Get in the box and get on the rubber. Let’s roll, Umps need to press the issue(s) through common sense application of existing rules. No clock needed. With the extremely rare exception, the only 4 hour games I see are in the Playoffs… and we all know MLB extended Playoff TV breaks by 1 minute each. Just more evidence that the motivating factor here is money as opposed to whatever soup du jour Manfred is trying to peddle that day.
Thornton Mellon
Finally! All for the pace of play adjustments. Some Yankees/Red Sox games that last 4 hours over 9 innings involve about 1 hr 20 min of uniform adjusting, stepping out, stepping off, etc.
More attempted steals in the game is a plus, as that will also heighten the importance of the catcher’s ability to throw out base stealers. The steal/steal putout is one of the most exciting plays to watch.
One of my biggest complaint about baseball in the past 20+ years has been it turning into a math problem with live action figures. I love the shift limitations because that opens up the entire field. Pitchers throw far too hard nowadays for all but the most skilled hitters to place opposite field hits (I think of George Brett and Rod Carew back in the 70s/80s against the best power pitchers – but now they ALL throw like that)
None of these decisions hurt the game.
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I would have loved to see more competent bunting and better bat control overall to mitigate the shift issue naturally.. I also like the idea of an automated strike zone, but alas..
There’s so much inconsistency from home plate umpires. Game results should never have a chance to be determined by umpires.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I like the idea of a trial for an automated strike zone for all interleague games to be evaluated over a couple of years.
FrankRoo
The whole “just hit it where they aren’t” argument feels like it comes from people who haven’t had to face high level pitching before. Believe me, when your trying to make contact on a 92mph fastball when an 85mph slider or 82mph change could also come you are just trying to hit the ball. If your swing has a pull tendency then that’s what you’ll do most of the time. That’s hard enough to do and I never made it past a level where wood bats were required.
MannyPineappleExpress9
Players learned and adjusted to swinging in the fences, they should be able to learn how to slow the bat down.
I just can’t figure out why they don’t seem to want to do something that will improve their overall stat line.
FrankRoo
Don’t like the disengage rule. Should discriminate between routine step offs, sign issues, bugs in face, regain balance, etc, from throws over to a base.
And per plate appearance? What?! What happens on a 12 pitch at bat? Gives a huge advantage to legit base stealers. They’d have to take a huge lead for a pitcher to want to risk a balk on the 3rd try if they don’t get an out.
I’m fine with the shift limits, but this rule needs a lot of tweaking if it stays.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would give the pitcher an extra five seconds more when the bases are loaded.
I am ok with eliminating the shift, but I would have preferred more hitters to ‘beat the shift” by hitting to the opposite field having it go away by talented hitters rather than a rule.
hoof hearted
Don’t like it!!!! To many nit-picky things that can affect the outcome of the game!!!!!!!!
Do something about check swings. To any arguments and players ejected. Put a chip at end of every bat and a sensor in the home plate.
GreenMonsta
I like the chip idea. Not bad.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
It’s totally sad to think even the commissioner doesn’t understand a nice relaxing afternoon at the ballpark…this isn’t basketball…….
George Ruth
I see Rob Manfred & the idiots on the competition committee doesn’t care about the Baseball Purist because if they did then you wouldn’t see 75 to 85% of all of these idiotic changes.
MLB needs to walk back a number of changes because they’ve been horrible to the pure game..
Shame shame shame on MLB’s Competition committee for turning their backs on Baseball Purist
RobM
I don’t know, Babe. What year did baseball purism begin during the game’s history, because the founding fathers of baseball were constantly fiddling with the rules.
George Ruth
Fiddling yes making fundamental changes like what is happening today no & these changes is far from just fiddling
Poster formerly known as . . .
Classic. The one change most obviously needed — computerized strike zones to keep bad umping from affecting the outcome of games — is the one they didn’t institute.
Do you think the glaring need pertaining to bases was addressed; i.e., changing the hard rubber construction and returning to soft bags with give instead of rigid, anchored bases high enough to trip runners, hard enough to jam fingers and wrists, with slippery surfaces that multiple players have injured themselves when slipping off?
I don’t think so. They have a contract with the manufacturer.
George Ruth
There is no real appetite for the Idiotic electronic Balls & Strikes and anyone who wants electronic balls & strikes should stick to the video games & leave the real game alone.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Your appetite doesn’t define everybody else’s. MLB didn’t experiment with the computerized zone in the minors on a whim.
George Ruth
Yes the Electronic balls & Strikes has been tested in the Minor Leagues & independent Leagues
Yankee Clipper
Fink: I agree with a hybrid challenge system on balls/strikes, so we keep umps & prevent it (insofar as possible) from affecting the outcome of the game. I believe I heard it first from David Cone (or perhaps O’Neill) who postulated that teams should be permitted to challenge balls/strikes as well, but only on the fourth ball, or third strike, so as to limit both the interruptions in the game, and the need for challenges. Obviously, they would have limited challenges too to prevent arbitrary and unnecessary challenges.
I thought that was a good hybrid model to bridge the gap that currently exists, and it shouldn’t be too offensive to either side because it doesn’t default to either extreme.
What’s your opinion?
Poster formerly known as . . .
I don’t think we need to persist with umpires missing well over 10% of the calls routinely. Even a bad call on the first pitch changes the AB for the hitter, and a wandering strike zone puts all the hitters at a disadvantage. They still need an ump behind the plate to call plays at the plate, same as an ump is needed at the other bases. I think the main opponents of a computerized zone, besides the umps themselves, are probably the pitchers.
One thing a computerized zone would eliminate — the suspicion of compromised umps favoring one team, which should be a concern with MLB in bed with two official sponsors in the gambling industry. It’s a joke that they keep Rose out of the Hall while they post signs in the parks advertising MGM Resorts and Draft Kings. I’m not saying Rose should get into the Hall; but if the appearance of potential impropriety was damning in his case, it ought to be for MLB, too. But that’s MLB — anything for a buck.
I guess a hybrid approach would be better than no change at all. I think the fact is, it’s just too hard for a human being to accurately track 99 MPH pitches with movement over the long course of nine innings. If we still had Sweet Lou kicking dirt on umpires’ shoes it might be worth it for the entertainment value, but those days are gone. And the thing is, after the QuesTec system showed how badly some umps performed behind the plate, the league apparently ignored the data and did nothing to make them accountable, so what was the point?
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, your point is valid, no doubt. I think it may achieve two goals: the first is to put the umps on notice that their personal strike zones are no longer acceptable, and the second is to begin the progression to full electronic strike zones, if necessary down the road, in stages, so it’s not so drastic.
I’m not necessarily opposed to, or in favor of, electronic strike zones. However, I do believe something needs to be done to effectuate more accurate zone calling.
To your point about Rose? Yes, I couldn’t agree more. What a terrible look for MLB. I believe Rose should be inducted and his sentence commuted. Let’s face it, in the whole scheme, he’s been sufficiently punished. He has served the equivalent of a lifetime ban from baseball, but to keep him out of the Hall, particularly with all the mitigating factors, is a travesty.
George Ruth
Yep let’s slow the game down even more with another way to challenge another call. Baseball doesn’t need the Electronic balls & strikes in any form & MLB needs to eliminate a lot of the plays that are challengeable .
Poster formerly known as . . .
How much time did it take for Billy Martin to kick dirt on the umpire’s shoes and for Lou Piniella to kick his cap around the field?
Yankee Clipper
George: Well, I think it’s a balance. If a game, particularly an important, season-ending one, is decided on a bad call by an umpire, should that be ignored because of time? I guess I’m not exactly sure what your argument is against that, or to what end.
I think most fans would want a critical, game-influencing call overturned if it was wrong. Perhaps I am wrong though.
Gwynning
I don’t exactly know how true this is, but there were stories back in the day that Bart was setting up meetings with Rose to discuss the end of the ban. Unfortunately, we lost Bart beforehand. I wonder how true and how close those meetings came to be…
George Ruth
I would rather see Managers kick dirt on the Umpires shoes or kick their hat around than to have the Idiot on Second Base to start every extra 1/2 inning or to have a stupid pitch clock or the Dumb Hitter in the National League
George Ruth
They should limit replays & they should ABSOLUTELY NOT implement automated balls & strikes because it takes the Human Element out of the game.
Anyone who wants Automated Balls & Strikes should just stick to the Video Game of Baseball & leave the real game of Baseball to Real Baseball Fans
Jim Tavegia
The human element is the hitter and pitcher and getting the call of balls and strikes right makes the game fair. since I played the game in high school and college I am as big a fan as anyone who buys a ticket and never played. I also dislike the pitch clock. Real fans don’t care about the length of games. Baseball is the only game were size does not matter, every position requires a unique skill set, and it is the only game where the defense has the ball. a pitcher being lit-up…step off and control the game.
George Ruth
The Human Element includes an Umpire Calling Balls & Strikes & not by implementing the MORONIC Automated Balls & Strikes & if you want the Automated Balls & Strikes then stick to the freaking Baseball Video Game & leave the Real Game to Real Baseball Fans which the supporters of Automated Balls & Strikes are not Real Baseball Fans
Poster formerly known as . . .
Do you capitalize “Real Baseball Fans” because it’s a formal organization that you belong to?
Poster formerly known as . . .
“It’s cool, man,” said Cardinals top prospect Jordan Walker, who plays for the Salt River Rafters. “If you think that the umpire was wrong, you can check it. I think it’s a really good addition to what we have as of right now.”
mlb.com/news/automatic-balls-strikes-robot-umps-ch…
So the players who do this for a living and have played the game their entire lives aren’t Real Baseball Fans . . . but you are.
Bobby smac9
Not all rule changes are bad. I just wish they would leave the game alone.
Lake on Fire
No clocks in baseball! Ump should just call a ball AND a balk when pitcher takes too long. and 2 strikes when hitters step off a second time to play with his balls. No ghost runners or 7 inning doubleheaders. Ridiculous clown shoes of extraordinary length for runners and big fat bases are fine as long as infielder’s gloves can be a foot longer. But above all, NO CLOCKS IN BASEBALL!
My Strawman > Your Strawman
Now, take the velcro off the batting gloves.
Jacksson13
ALSO
1). Suspend any pitcher whose pitched ball hits and injures a batter and remain suspended for the same amount of time that the injured batter is unable to compete at the MLB level.
2). Eliminate the ability to score on a sacrifice fly. Runners only score on a ball in play via either a hit, ground out, or sacrifice bunt. Also by walk, balk, hit by pitch, or steal .
3). Unless they actually swing at a pitch, either missing or fouling off, batters are prohibited from leaving the batters box.
4). Increase the 40 man roster to 45. Too many/too frequent DFA’s & player optioning.
5). Increase the 26 man roster permanently to 28. And make it 30 every 9/01.
Dock_Elvis
Jackson lost me at #1
RobM
I was opposed to the pitch clock for years, but changed my mind after watching it in action during several minor league games. I’m also curious to see if it increases offense in the latter innings when relievers can’t throw every pitch at top velocity as they’ll have less recovery time.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Don’t really need to make a clock if you take an average of a pitcher’s times over a set period of starts and then have a hard line that guys over have a juicy fine for slowing the game down. This will internally make pitchers hesitant to slow down but not pigeonhole them with some tedious rule additions.
Shifting rules is just because the league can’t stand teams allowing terrible hitters to keep hitting into the shift, it’s just bad television.
The enlarging of the bases looks stupid as this has never really been a problem. Safety is safety, I guess…
letimmysmoke55
the commissioner of baseball hates baseball
donl
As an old-timer and baseball traditionalist, I hate to admit that some of these rules are needed, but they are. I saw Bob Gibson & Reggie Cleveland in 1972 throw successive 2-1 games that were each under 1 hour 50 minutes in length. We went to the game yesterday in St Louis that lasted 3 hours 57 minutes. Absolutely no reason a game should be that long. Yes, the score was 11-6 and there were numerous pitching changes, but still way too long. As for eliminating the shift, I will love it if a hitter hits a shot up the middle and actually gets a hit. Too many times now there’s someone standing there. For decades those were always hits, and I think still should be.
Dock_Elvis
Many of the rules (if not most) in baseball history have resulted from the need to balance out style of play that were in gray areas and not covered. They were meant to encourage a balanced game. 60ft 6 in ches…90 ft bases….whatever. no one had really THOUGHT to exploit no definition of where defensive players can be positioned within the lines. Well…turns out it makes the games kinda lousy. Next it’ll be something else.
Not sure I’m digging the 2 pick off limit….but I hope it adds to stealing strategy. That’d be cool.
GarryHarris
The batters stepping out of the box is the bigger issue. Paul Warner (1926-1945) said that batters had to be ready at all times because a pitcher could zip in a strike while the batter was stepping out and around the batters box.
Redstitch108* 2
Actually okay with 4 outfielders. That makes the case for hitters to go for base hits instead of “launch angle.” I don’t get the bigger bases. What is this baby ball? I mean players now wear body armor in the batters box flaps on the helmets, no blocking home plate and pitchers don’t go more than 5 innings. Now the bigger bases. It’s Little League folks.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Lame.
Dock_Elvis
The biggest issue is for the past generation the public branding has been mostly negative. Public funding of stadiums, player PED use, rule changes, contracts, scandals. Precious little talk about the games virtues. There’s generations coming and of age now even that don’t have glory days to recall. A 30 year old has no recollection of the 1994 players strike. 30. The game is being held by baby boomers and a lot of Gen X (which I’m a part of). And we’re going to hug our memories until there’s nothing left.
friarfootin
Quit messing with the game. Every year it’s something else. Baseball is going to be like a former bombshell who has lost her looks. Knock it off already
baseballguru
Can you please leave the game of baseball as it is! #1) eliminate the extra innings ghost runner! This murders one of the main objectives of the very core of the game! Keeping opponents off the basepaths & away from scoring! It unfairly aids & lends a bias to offense over pitching & defense. Putting a runner in scoring position who is given 180 feet 50% of the distance to score is an Abomination! No real true baseball fan would want this…nor would those players enshrined today or in the future.
#2) a pitch clock will aid runners on when to break on stolen bases. The art of holding runners on varying lengths, pickoffs etc will be damaged.
#3) larger bases reduces historical distances. We can never compare stolen bases again, most plays success or failure fall between those 3 inches…6 overall between bases…terrible idea. Safer grip on the bases sure go for it.
4) shifts…I like eliminating shifts as far as what side of the bag SS & 2B can play…as far as where they play after that should be up to them north & south & east to west…a HUGE adjustment by all infielders & outfielders must be allowed as many factors effect the best probable position to be in (the hitter, what are his hitting temdencies (not talking analytics which are fine) but defensive players learn players tendencies by playing against them often, the pitcher on the mound effects this…is it Rich Hill 88mph or Nate Eavoldi 100mph, a ground ball specialist, Lefty, Righty, a combination of both pitcher & hitter, the pitch selected up & in down & away.
Changes being made for the casual fan to get home 22 minutes earlier shouldn’t be catered to at the expense of the history, integrity, & fair play of those whp would gladly watch a 18 inning overtime game with 5 ties and benches depleted.
mlbtrsks
DITTO The future of baseball is a focus on a risk-free, work less environment for fan, player and sports media, the latter who simply want to shorten their work hours by increasing the speed of play. Most, if not all of the recent changes would have been ridiculed a half century ago; there’s always someone proposing a nonsensical change to all aspects of a culture and shockingly, all options are now taken seriously, whether it’s baseball or bathrooms.
mlbtrsks
An urge to “beat the shift” is comparable to an urge
to use a 4 wood instead of a driver. It’s not in the male DNA. I think Ted Williams had the skills, but not the urge.
Gwynning
Ted hit .200 against the shift in the ’46 Series. The next season he started bunting to beat the shift.
Poster formerly known as . . .
These changes favor hitters over pitchers, obviously. It’ll be interesting to see how they affect teams whose success lately has depended more on pitching than offense; e.g., the Rays, Guardians and Twins.
dasit
IMO it’s not obvious that these changes favor hitters. my guess is that many hitters, even lefties, would rather face a shift than be limited to one step-out per at-bat. there’s also the question of what tools umps will be given to enforce that rule. big papi took 15-second strolls between every pitch. under this rule, would an umpire simply declare him out?
Jim Tavegia
I hate the idea of a pitch clock. I can’t believe that anyone who is paying full price of MLB tickets is complaining about the length of games. It is one of the things that made the game unique.
It is the one game that is most like life: a long season and you play nearly everyday, hurt, aches and pains, but play you must. It also has no size or physical ability limit…big, tall fast, slow, short, it is all about ability and every position has a unique skill set. The hardest thing in all of sport is to hit a baseball consistently well. It is also the only sport where the defense has the ball. Getting hit around, step off and take a pause to re-group. The baseball clock was the 27 outs for each team. People often think that the game is about hits and runs, but it is more about not making an out as a hitter or runner; and keeping the line moving. Run out of outs and the game is over for someone.
MLB is worried about non-fans not liking the length of games, but that is a mistake. Sorry if some people have a short attention span. There is a lot of strategy going on between pitches they don’t get.