The Marlins are planning to bring back general manager Kim Ng, reports Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. He adds that Ng and owner Bruce Sherman met last week as the organization charts out a plan for the upcoming offseason.
It’s not particularly surprising, as there’s never been any indication Sherman was seriously considering replacing Ng. First hired over the 2020-21 offseason, Ng has been at the helm of the front office for the past two years. Much of that time was spent working alongside CEO Derek Jeter and vice president of scouting/player development Gary Denbo, but both have moved on from the franchise in recent months. Jeter stepped down in February, while Denbo was let go at the end of June. Sherman, for his part, indicated he’ll remain in his role for the long haul. He tells Jackson he has “never considered” selling the team and is “more deeply invested in the team’s success now than ever.”
While Ng will hold onto her position at the top of the front office, Jackson reports that Miami is expected to make some changes both at the lower levels of the front office and on the major league coaching staff. Whether that extends to manager Don Mattingly remains to be seen, but the skipper is believed to be in the final year of his contract. Both Mattingly and the Marlins picked up a 2022 mutual option on his deal last July, but there’s no indication the sides have extended their relationship beyond this year.
Hired in November 2015, Mattingly has spent the past seven seasons running the show in South Florida. He’s the second-longest tenured skipper in the National League behind Milwaukee’s Craig Counsell and the fifth-longest tenured in the majors, but the Marlins carry a 431-576 record (.428 win percentage) over that stretch. The Fish were rebuilding early in his tenure, but they’d hoped to turn a corner after earning a playoff berth during the abbreviated 2020 campaign.
Competing over a full schedule in 2021 may have been too optimistic for such a young roster, but a 67-95 showing had to be a disappointment. Even more deflating, Miami is trending towards a similar result this year. That’s in spite of a relatively aggressive offseason (at least by the franchise’s standards), in which the Fish brought in Avisaíl García and Jorge Soler on multi-year free agent deals and acquired Joey Wendle and Jacob Stallings via trade. All four of those players have underwhelmed to varying degrees, and the Marlins have again trotted out one of the sport’s most punchless offenses. Miami entered play Monday ranked 27th in on-base percentage (.294) and 28th in slugging (.363).
Speaking with Jackson, Sherman acknowledged the team’s performance this year “has been immensely frustrating.” He indicated the club believed they’d be capable of contending for a playoff spot entering the season and admitted “we were not as good as we thought we’d be.” Sherman indicated they’d take another shot at competing in 2023 and weren’t planning to orchestrate another rebuild.
That aligns with recent reports that the club intends to again look for offensive help, perhaps by dangling some of its controllable pitching in trade. Asked by Jackson whether the lackluster early returns on the Soler and García contracts would deter the team from dipping into free agency, Sherman said “no” and indicated they’d “continue to explore all options” to talent acquisition. At the same time, he largely demurred when asked about the payroll, noting only that he “(expects) to continue to invest once again in our Major League payroll in 2023.”
Spending is an ever-present question for the Marlins, who haven’t exceeded $80MM in Opening Day payroll in any of the past four seasons (according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts). This year’s roughly $79.6MM mark ranks 26th leaguewide. Miami has roughly $45MM in guaranteed commitments on the books for next season, in the estimation of Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. That doesn’t include potential arbitration raises for players like Wendle, Brian Anderson, Pablo López, Garrett Cooper, Stallings and Jon Berti, though. Some members of that group are likely to be traded or non-tendered, but the available payroll space could dry up relatively quickly if Miami’s not willing to push much past this year’s spending level. That’d leave a challenging task for Ng and her front office to construct a roster capable of contending for the organization’s first playoff spot in a 162-game season since 2003.
Makes sense. Hard to judge someone on just two years. Let her attack this offseason, but the Marlins have to show progress, especially offensively, next season.
I get the impression that the Marlins are far behind the state of the art in using analytics and video. It may be a budget thing. But Ms. Ng must have been exposed to that being with the Dodgers.
I know that Florida is not a good baseball state (and that MLB should never have placed 2 teams there….but they were pushed by Congress led by the powerful Florida delegation threatening an anti-trust investigation….so they got expansion teams). Nevertheless, the Rays do quite well on a small market budget. The Marlins need to change the way they build and maintain rosters. They’ve got a great pitching coach and instructional system for the pitchers – that’s far more than most MLB franchises have.
She also hasn’t been with the Dodgers since 2011. I would imagine after 9 years away—she certainly could be behind the curve.
Just read a handful of articles after reading this conjecture comments and you guys don’t anything. Thanks for wasting time.
Codeeg, english amigo, please…
It’s clearly in English. The dude missed one word that can easily be detected. Increase your vocabulary, amigo
Your username is quite befitting of you. Is that all you think he missed is 1 measely word? Haha Yeah..Move on ok…And don’t copy my lingo trying to be cute either..
Nincompoop, I didn’t mean to trigger you. I almost feel bad.
Jbigz44;
Thank You!
I thought she was with the Dodgers all those years as an assistant GM. Heavens she was working for MLB – “senior vice president of baseball operations for Major League Baseball, where she would report to former Yankees and Dodgers manager Joe Torre”.
This is sick……
1. The Marlins franchise has been used by Yankee alumni in a way similar to the Kansas City A’s franchise was used as a farm club for the Yankees.
2. The changes in the way MLB FO’s are running teams radically changed between 2011 and 2020. This explains her moves.
@nincompoop- even if he only missed one word, he missed plenty of punctuation, also.
It’s clearly in English.
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I don’t comment on grammar, but I have no idea what Codeeg was trying to say. nothing personal.
he changes in the way MLB FO’s are running teams radically changed between 2011 and 2020. This explains her moves.
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Not IMO. I’m aware, but obviously not fluent, in all the modern metrics. And you have folks working for you that should be up to date.
Joe;
First, read positively_broad_st’s comment below on how parks play.
Starting around 2011 teams such as the A’s, Epstein’s teams (Red Sox and Cubs), etc. – that we than regarded as up to date – have been bypassed by what the Astros, Rays, Dodgers, Guardians, Brewers, and now Orioles have done. Even successful franchises using traditional ways of building teams have sophisticated – Braves, Cardinals….and a tweener like the Jays.
The biggest change – as I keep writing – is that organizations have to constantly make the players they have under contract better – as well as use processes to determine players that they can acquire and make better – from trades to picking up FA’s and DFA’s. Believe it or not, drafting isn’t as important as we would think…it has a place, but the lesson is the Orioles that have an 11th ranked pitching staff none of whom was drafted by the current administration and most of whom were picked up from the bargain basement bin after failing with other organizations….and where do the Rays find the players to contend year after year?
I worked in the computer field. Like businesses using technology it changes radially every few years, let alone in 9. Just look at how home usage of technology has changed – from how to watch movies; what used to be a major network TV show monopoly; me able to take my pick of 98% of MLB games to watch – live or on demand 365 days a year; people working from home; every day more and more Americans and people around the world ordering merchandise from Internet compatible devices and having it delivered to them…..to you and I reading articles on MLB transactions and news, then being able to have a dialog about it here.
Ms. Ng may be aware of administrative issues working in the Commissioners office. But there is no way in the world that she – or any human being – could have kept up with how MLB franchises are building and maintaining rosters 365 days a year.
Yep.
Imagine having a smartphone from 2011 still in your pocket today. That thing is a dinosaur.
I would imagine she’s hired some AGM’s with analytical experience since then but she’s ultimately running the show.
It was wildly praised for hiring the first woman GM but you hired someone who has been out of FO’s for nearly a decade.
Much less qualified men have been hired since then also but it doesn’t surprise me to see her losing trades to the likes of Elias & Neander.
it changes radially every few years, let alone in 9.
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That brings up two negatives.
1-If the business models have changed drastically in 9 years, then hiring someone with stale skills was probably a mistake.
2-The Garcia and Soler signings would’ve been bad 9 years. That type of analysis, paying an aging player with good walk years, has never worked.
2 high variance players. Avi gArcia and Soler have both posted good seasons followed u o with bad.
If one or both has a pretty good year next year it won’t surprise me all that much. They just aren’t the type you give out those kind of multi year guarantees to
JoeBrady, I didn’t have the faintest conception as to what he was saying either. Thats why I said what I did. A bit crude, yes, but so was whatever he was attempting to articulate. Something about “conjecture” and “wasting his time.” Nobody forces anyone to peruse the comments here.
Analytics aren’t all that helpful when you you’ve had 28 players on IL for 1,454 games missed. They lost their whole offense. Last time the Braves played them they were almost literally fielding a team of minor league position player. They only reason they aren’t extra terrible is they have pitching.
Smacky;
Just about every MLB team has had an outrageous amount of injuries this year.
It goes back to the lockout and negotiations along with rainouts – resulting in doubleheaders, and games played on what should be off days.
I exercise an intense amount – especially for my age. I have to take at least 2 days a week off to let my body pull together. Hit a wall Sunday. Have been in intense pain since. Was at chiropractor’s yesterday. (Pro athletes have them in-house.) Need at least 2-3 more days to be able to stand up straight and walk. The pro athletes may be younger than me, but they’re even more intense in what do. Those guys don’t just show up, and play. They’re exercising and practicing every day before the games even start.
Much of this goes back to the lack of doubleheaders as previous to this year MLB has pretty much cut them out. This was done since free agency started. The players salaries go up, the owners need more revenue coming in – they can’t let fans in to see 2 games for one admission charge. Worse yet, they keep expanding the playoffs so now the seasons will go through the month of October. Rest assured that MLB will not be displaying the players at their best when supposedly more fans are watching.
Total Injury Days lost this season:38,357
Total Injury Days lost last season: 48,029
2019: 54,562
2018: 34,140
There’s 1/8th of the season left and it’s shaping up to be a year like any other for injuries.
And most of the days are for pitchers out for expended periods or even years for Tommy John. The Marlins lost all their position players. Good pitching beats good hitting but there’s no way to win if you can’t score even just one run!
Smacky,
Their injuries isn’t why they have stunk. It’s the lack of offense and the horrible bullpen that hasn’t found a lead that they can’t blow for the last two years.
almost literally fielding a team of minor league position player. . i dont know where you get that . when most been in league over 5 years. pulse you cold say braves not far behind . if you counting years. and calling mlb minors.
I know that Florida is not a good baseball state lol why have spring training their?
let say this marlins and rays have good tv rating never in bottom five.
marlins was tenth n attendance and item sale. 2003 15th. so point does not hold up 100%
Well you can’t give out a lot shining stars for the GM who traded prospects for Wendle, Stallings, Scott, and Sulser. Then signed Soler and Garcia.
Dug herself a nice little hole with that. They have fantastic young pitching + Jazz Chisholm so there’s a start there.
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Garcia was such an awful signing I’ve always thought this guy to be really mediocre and shouldn’t be on a rebuilding ballclub
maybe that why the braves try to get him. at trade deadline . and said they try again offseason
You must have missed Cashman. Since last year’s trade deadline: Gallo, Donaldson, IKF, Montas, and Bader. Threw away Montgomery. That’s just thirteen months. Jacoby Ellsbury, anyone? Igawa? Hicks? … And I don’t think Cashman is the worst. Cut Ng some slack. Compared to others who have sucked for years and years, she’s just gotten going and the damage is minimal. It’s not like the Marlins were expected to be World Champions.
Uuuhh sorry ng does not have the pressure what some one in New York has sooo no we ain’t gonna cut her some slack.
And the difference is the players had the potential of being good beside falefa
Ya but they had to give up gallen for jazz and who is a better player time will tell
What are people’s thoughts on Mattingly as a manager
He likes throwing at all the Braves good hitters – especially Acuña. Had Alcantara hit him w/ the first pitch of a game a couple years ago.
Would love to see Mattingly as the Jays manager if things don’t work out with Schneider.
with the way Mattingly talks he never be of any al. east team other than yanks.
after first year you talk trash about him. like most mangers.
something most fans dont understand he average manger . he alway stay close to prediction about his teams. neve goes above except 1 year short season at that.
He’s done a amazing job. I’ve seen quite a few marlins games, as a Braves fan, and I think he manages his starters and bullpen pretty well. He’s also done a pretty good job putting the pieces he has been given in places to succeed. By that I mean he does a good job with making the team more than the sum of its parts, which is what I think the ultimate job of manager is.
I don’t see him managing this team in 2023. I wish him the best of luck in whatever he ends up doing next season.
I love Donnie Baseball, but it might be time for Miami to move on.
He’s ok but I def don’t think he’s amazing what people r saying
Mattingly is solid. He’s not the reason we’ve struggled. That’s been due to the failure of our front office the last couple of seasons.
i have to dis agree with that.
how can you say that.? he had good team 2 years. in miami. till jjeter came
you say he was not making calls on field. he was the one not running lewis brison out their with m.r rojas .
i cant call him solid .
He’s 437-584 in Miami, with one winning season in those seven years ..
last 5 year the the team did worse than expected.
not trying to nock him down 100% j just saying average manger
Mattingly is an excellent coach. He’s just coaching the wrong team. Hopefully he leaves for other opportunities.
Donnie still has a lot of baseball left in him. I believe in him.
Matter of fact, Marlins don’t want him, Halos will take him! 100%
Great comment Trumbo. I believe in him too.
I like Donnie too. Hope he stays and Kim Ng corrects the mistakes of the bullpen and lineup.
I think he has what it takes to lock Cashman in a locker and go manage a game.
Stop it Clipper, Halos called dibs on him!
#FireBooneHireMattingly
Even if the stars align, I don’t think Mattingly would want to come back to NY honestly with the front office meddling with in-game management. After all, they did choose to hire Girardi over Mattingly. And Girardi was known as “The Binder” (a time before iPads became prevalent) over at PSA during his tenure.
Imagine a Jeter/Mattingly replacement for Cashman/Boone.
Not sure how they’d do but I’d love to see it!
Boy it’s funny u Yankees fans want to blow up your front office even though u guys haven’t really had a tanking season but I expect no less of a fan base that boooed derek jeter at Yankee stadium and wanted judge gone so bad after his second year. Try being the pirates
Not sure if you pay much attention to the Yankees but Boone is simply not good. The Yankees have been winning for 30 years and that is great for the fan base. The problem many of us have is that the front office is satisfied with that too. There’s no desire to take the next step, a la LAD.
Cashman is a good GM. But he cannot build a championship roster. And 20+ years as GM confirms that. If not for Gene Michaels developing that core and the trades that brought in guys like O’Neill, that dynasty doesn’t exist and Cashman doesn’t win in 2009.
I’d also argue that *many* GMs could have the long-term success of Cashman if given the talent, organization, budget, and latitude that he’s been given. Again, he’s a good GM, but not great.
Pirates are a disaster so I feel for you. I could never be a fan of that team just because their ownership has no desire to win at all. NY has high standards and rightfully so. Hal’s father had high standards and rightfully so. Just my opinion though.
No desire to take it to dodger level u kidding me and then u say u have been winning for 30 years and then u say cashman is good but want to replace him with jeter who has 1 year experience being gm. I don’t know man I know u guys have been scuffling but what u yankee fans want the yanks to win 130 games and steam roll the Al east??
@kmk You make some valid points especially Yankees fans being spoiled. Ownership’s mantra, for the last 20+ years, has been a season without a WS championship is an abject failure. This is what we’re accustomed to however unrealistic it may seem. We have high expectations. I grew up around the 80s Yankees teams when they were terrible with no real direction. No one is demanding that we bring in Jeter but what Cashman is doing for the last several years isn’t working. We’ve gotten into playoffs but this roster isn’t set up for deep runs.
Kmk: What I mean by winning is: finishing the season >.500. I understand why, looking from the outside in, that seems in and of itself sufficient, but again, it’s not. 2017 the Yankees were one win away from going to the World Series. That was the first year of the new core. We haven’t been close since. It’s all relative, man.
When you see the Yankees are a $7B franchise that is willing to take losses, especially postseason ones, in lieu of spending to acquire the proper talent, that’s problematic for the fan base. When you the same team is unwilling to part with players who are total failures because they agreed to poor terms, that irritates the fan base. And, when Cashman misspends on talent, after being inappropriately limited, then the Yankees use that misspending as their reasoning for not acquiring necessary talent to fill key holes (SS, CF, SP, C), that grinds on the fan base.
So, I hope that clarifies it. If not, it’s just that our fan bases are so far apart in mindset there is no reconciliation of those responses. It’s what sets the NYY and their fans apart from nearly every other team/fan base in N. American sports.
Jeter i dont see returning to front office . that easy. with 4 to 5 % ownership he had to have 100% control till let go. cause he would not answer other owner why things was happening.
i think he lose support if something bad break out. remember people loe to hate on people when things go wrong.
i agree with you . but i think he does it. have a them that gets ws.
who that has as mush ties to yanks like Mattingly ? turn down manger of hitter like judge and station .
The Marlins aren’t going to fire the games first female GM after only two seasons, one of which was affected by Covid and the other the lockout. I think realistically we will need to see a couple of “normal” offseasons from Ng before really judging her job performance
I also think that there is a huge gulf between fans who prematurely anointed this team ready to be a contender and ownership which has a more realistic timeline.
But how much more time does this regime need to put a consistent postseason major league ball club ?
It’s not fans fault they signed García and Soler. Btw those signing accelerated expectation.
Not to mention some of the high drafted hitting prospects have underwhelmed to put it conservatively.
It’s fair to say that the current Regime are ones who are unrealistic on what’s needed to build a competitive ml ball club.
Ng isn’t responsible for how long the rebuild had already taken when she took over. She could only work with what she had. That the team wasn’t far enough along was the previous regimes fault. You gotta give her more time.
@Rsox
The reality is that this may be Ng’s last offseason. She failed two offseasons in a row to bring in a legit Closer, even though it was clear, especially after last season.
She also looked very bad only pulling off one trade when there was a need to move multiple pieces off the roster to clear the path for the younger position players to showcase themselves for next season. She failed badly there not capitalizing on Cooper’s peak value; Berti’s peak value; not moving Wendle, Aguilar, Okert, etc. for anything – even potential diamond in the rough type crap-shot prospects.
like this it her first year from jeter . from spring to now. she has to be giving change.
jeter said to have 100% control .
Marlins have a lot of great pitching if they traded some pitching for some batters they could get really good in a short time. They could easily get over .500 and maybe better in 2023 with some smart trades
You’ll be shocked to learn they traded their bats who they didn’t want to pay for all the pitchers they have now. Alcántara Was gifted to them by the Cardinals as part of a package for Marcel Ozuna.
That team needs to fire everyone and the owner needs to sell. Sherman tricked Jeter for a few years, but he’s even cheaper than Loria
We’ll see this offseason.
Why are people saying she has been here for two seasons? She just got hired this past offseason. And even with only one season under her belt, I think we’ve seen enough. Missed out on trading cooper and lopez at peak value and waited to long to move Aguilar. Screwed up by signing Soler and a host of other crap decisions. Time to send her off
She was hired as Marlins GM on November 13, 2020. Pretty close to 2 full calendar years.
In one breath you say she’s been there less than two years, and in the next you say she deserves to be fired. Seriously? Al Avila held the Tigers’ GM job for 7 years and what did they win? Billy Eppler was the Angels’ GM for four full seasons and the 2020 asterisk season and what did they win with the best ballplayer on the planet?
You’re using two horribly run teams as your defense to firing her early?
Gm still makes decisions on who they bring in yeah she does have a say maybe it is too early but not off to a great start
This is very likely Ng’s last offseason as Marlins GM if she doesn’t correct the mistakes of the last two years.
I do agree with a lot there
@Chemo
Who would have taken Aguilar?
I was disappointed they passed up on Marte. That was when Jeter still had his hand in these decisions
I hated the Garcia and Soler signings, That could be a lesson for Sherman
Cashman has gotten two decades to screw up, and he’s not the only gm to do so. Gallo, Donaldson, IKF, Montas, Bader… Jacoby Ellsbury… This attempt to hunt Ng’s head is just rediculous.
Well, in all honesty, Cashman has traded something like 25 prospects over the past two seasons trying to keep the Yankees competitive. And those moves weren’t exactly good, or overwhelmingly beneficial, given they’ve advanced no further than they have the past four seasons.
That’s a lot of prospect capital to trade just to remain stagnant.
Give me a break dude and how long has cash man been gm u don’t think he’s gonna have bad signings stop hen picking. How long has ng been gm
Crying about montas Ellsbury and Gallo is laughable cuz if they play or played up to their potential or injuries u wouldn’t of been complaining
But, like Soler and Garcia, Montas, Ellsubry and Gallo DIDN’T perform. And I and no doubt many others knew NONE of them would. Entirely predictable. So the Ng critique is unfair unless you are going measure her like you do Cashman and others whose deals fail.
many others knew NONE of them would. Entirely predictable.
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Interesting psychological point. If you liked the signings, then you probably don’t blame Ng for the signings. If you are one of the ones that didn’t like the signings, then you are more likely to blame ng for the signings since, iyo, they were obviously bad signings.
Well ellsbury was mostly injurey the guy was a good player and u did get “some value “ outta him
Asking because I don’t know: Is the Marlins stadium more of a pitchers park, hitters, or fairly even?
espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor
There’s the park factors for this year
Lol. Great minds…
espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor/_/order/false
Yet another statistic that misrepresents the situation…….
The number of runs scored comes not only from the parks size and the way it plays…..it comes from the offense and defense of primarily the home team, as well as all the visiting teams.
The first thing that jumped out at me was the Citi Field (2nd lowest in runs). It’s hardly a large pitchers park as say Kaufman Stadium (18th). But the Mets have very good pitchers and a good defense, while the Royals have terrible pitching.
Yeah…Looking at those stadium statistics I see most of the hitters parks have bad pitching staffs. Kind of skews the numbers. I was asking because I was perusing the Marlins stat lines, and nearly every player has a pitiful OPS. It made me wonder if it was the players or the park? Either way, the Marlins need to remake about half the lineup this off-season if they want to compete with the big three in the division…
@samuel
Not wrong. you have to factor in the quality of offense/pitching/opponent.
But the Marlins can pitch a bit. dont really hit and their park is up to 10th this year. That says it’s playing like a hitters park. Fine to use as part of an analysis as long as you use critical thinking skills like you just did.
18th in pitching. 27th in offense.
Park is 10th in park factor.
That does give you an idea that it’s playing like a hitters park.
Not worthwhile alone but I think it’s informative here with those other data points.
Hal should bring Jeter aboard to become President of Baseball Operations while giving Levine the boot and letting Cashman take over his role. Hire Ng or another upcoming GM with both Jeter and Cashman close by. Hal should then anonymously order a pizza to Jeter and Ng with pineapple on top everyday for their entire Yankee careers while hiring a midget to kneecap Cashman every St. Pattys day.
Levine isn’t the Yankees’ reason for their current struggles. It’s on Hal and Cash and the way they constructed this roster. Cashman isn’t going to step down/up for a different role by choice. He can easily get a GM job elsewhere if he wanted to. What’s Theo Epstein up to these days?
Yankees r over .500 and playoff bound and fhe fans still complain and calll it a struggle
Theo Epstein is a consultant to the MLB home office and has no desire to get back into club management.
Why do u need ng?
Throw some money on good arms in the BP. Take apage out of the Mariners playbook.
Mia has some good SP, now back then up with BP arms. Make the game shorter. Win some of those close 1 run games.
Bingo! Someone gets it. The Marlins bullpen needs improvement starting with a Closer.
What’s the matter u don’t like cole sulser?
I don’t like any of our relievers when they are placed as the Closer. Middle Relievers are not Closers; not even Set-up Men.
Kyle barraclough lol
Jarren Duran would make a lot of sense for this team, which has nowhere to go but up on offense, and is a quiet, low spotlight market that might be a better fit for Duran (people really tore into him up here this summer). Once you consider Kike’s extension, plus Ceddanne Rafaela on his way to being ready late 2023/early 2024, it seems like dangling some superfluous pitching would get the Sox to bite. Duran’s got a dynamic skill set, you just wonder at this point if Boston is the setting that gives him the best chance to put it all together.
Wow take him plz another Steve Duggar
Mets payroll, 2nd-highest in baseball
Phillies payroll, 4th
Braves payroll, 9th
Nationals payroll, 19th
Marlins payroll, 25th
NL East standings:
Mets
Braves
Phillies
Marlins
Nats
‘He tells Jackson he has “never considered” selling the team and is “more deeply invested in the team’s success now than ever.”’
More than ever, huh?
I guess “success” is fairly ambiguous and subjective depending on one’s goals… his seems to be keeping costs low and profit margin high.
@fink More than ever, huh?
Yes. I think owning the team has got under his skin and he wants to make a success of it. He wants to win. Win as a business and win on the field.
I suspect Ng’s first year had a lot of Jeter and Denbo making decisions she might not have made so I’m saying she has really been GM for just a season.
Loria sold his group the team for $1.2 billion. Sherman’s stuck with this team whether or not he wants to be.
yes the met paying 29.5 million tax this off season . on top of that payroll.
it wont last , unless mets want to lose 1st rd draft pk and pay more.
Must be nice to be Kim Ng.. completely fail
at your job and get to keep it. Who cares how hard someone works or how long they’ve been around if they can’t get you over the finish line. If you are a Marlins fan for the last 20 years, you know how stupid the Soler & Garcia signings were & the probable outcome. Nothing positive happening in the foreseeable future with this organization until Sherman grows a pair & cuts bait with the clowns running this team.
She was hired on November 13, 2020. She should be fired for not turning around a losing team in less than two years on one of the lowest budgets in baseball?
so you dont blame jeter? the one that claim to have 100% control.
she had to un every thing by him.
m willing to give her 1 or 2 ear change
I’d give her at least two more years in view of what she has to work with.
She hasn’t failed at her job. You don’t know how baseball works. Every GM has deals that work and deals that don’t. The Marlins are really just coming out of a rebuild. Expectations are too high amongst fans.
Stop acting like your the only person that “knows baseball” we do know that she’s given resources and is given a say on who they sign she’s gotta take some blame I feel too early to fire as well but it ain’t looking good so far
I feel too early to fire as well but it ain’t looking good so far
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That’s my take as well. IMHO, too many people are latching onto the ‘low budget’ excuse. She made four moves in the off-season. Ng acquired:
Stallings (-0.4 bWAR)
Wendle (1.9)
Garcia (-1.1)
Soler (0.4)
So that’s $31M, plus prospects, for 0.8 bWAR. It’s too early to judge the two drafts, but so far, imvho, it looks weak.
Whether it is too early or not remains to be seen. But so far, it’s been pretty weak.
Might as well take $31 mil and flushed it down the toilet
There’s a lot of 20/20 hindsight in evidence here.
Soler was huge for the Braves before Ng signed him. From 2018-2021, he posted a 118 wRC+ and .831 OPS. In 2019 he hit 48 HR. There were three other GMs besides Ng who were in talks to sign Soler after the 2021 season according to The Athletic:
‘The Braves and Padres are “in talks” with free agent outfielder Jorge Soler, reports David O’Brien of The Athletic. These teams join the Rockies and Marlins as clubs who have had reported interest in Soler the past few days.’
mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/braves-padres-in-talks-…
There were plenty of Braves fans on this site who wanted to bring Soler back.
Also not too long ago marlins were contenders so which one is it
The Marlins were contenders for two seconds. Which is it? They are rebuilding. If you think this was a team on the cusp you’re nuts. Still needs time. No Gm was gonna turn this team around that quick. My whole point is that to fans like you this team has been fools gold.
Well ng said they r contenders so once again which one is it??
What was the reasoning for the signings of soler and Garcia who aren’t leaders maybe nice guys but never carry a club if they r rebuilding they were complimentary bats she really thinks this club is a contender. The rotation has a chance to be the marlins bright spot
Also I never said they were contenders
I answered that already. They’re rebuilding THATS which one it is. Of course the GM is gonna say positive whatever. Just please, for the love of life stop asking me questions on things I made clear from my first post. (And seriously, how much of a burden is it to spell out the word “are”?)
There must be another kmk1986 who said they “were contenders”. It’s literally like 5 posts above this one. I’m sorry I’m in a kind of salty, no BS mood today…. they are at the end of the rebuild but not nearly at a point where a new GM can be held responsible for them not being in the thick of things, just to be clear.
“Also not too long ago marlins were contenders so which one is it”
The Marlins’ only winning season since 2009 was less than half a season in 2020, which should count for nothing. Some of the best players in the game had dismal records that year. Counting 2020 as a legit season is like calling a 12-mile race a marathon. From 2010-2020, the Marlins had the most losses in baseball, 36 more than the second-worst team. Contenders? Please. Their last full season before Ng took over saw them end the year with 105 losses and a .352 W-L%.
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The problem is that the Marlins starting pitching staff is just about ready to contend. The bullpen and lineup are not…as those are the equivalent of a 110-loss team. They need to do some moves or they will waste years of those starting pitchers.
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She has actually left a lot to be desired in her short stint. She misused funds to acquire two corner OFs in both Garcia and Soler when the Marlins only needed one, but needed a Closer far more – which the money for one of these two OFs could have gone into signing Jansen or trading for Kimbrel last offseason.
This trade deadline was a mess for her. Complete failure not capitalizing on some trades she should’ve done at the time.
This team badly needs to get a CF. Forcing Jesus Sanchez to learn the position on the fly in the majors instead of implementing him as a cornerstone Corner OF like he is made him overworked day in and day out. You sign two absolute stink bombs in Soler and Garcia to block him from doing this and it clearly impacted the offensive side of things from having a .260 hitting 30hr bat in the middle of your lineup.
Hanging onto aguilar into the season was an absolute mistake and the team should have given Lewin Diaz a full go to sink or swim all year from June and beyond instead of treating him like a marginal september call up. I wouldn’t call the stalling move a disaster. That pitching has performed exceptional with the exception of the injuries. Rodgers has been an absolute flop like i predicted he would be. Edward Cabrera’s should have been in the rotation with this team from day one and despite his health and control issues rather than treating him like a legit 3 with front line upside with control he’s trade bait.
My pirates need to absolutely pounce on miami and get them for all they are worth for Reynolds. Take the kids build up your core as I’d love to see a diaz/nunez platoon at 1b in the coming years for the team with the defensive limitations and offensive upside they’d benefit greatly from one another.
Miami falters yet again from 3 major aspects.
Disarray within the major league and managerial organization together and separately on decision making and signings
Injuries/Luck always play a role regardless. The best team on paper doesn’t always win, but usually atrocious offense can be trumped by phenomenal pitching.
Lastly the financial limitations of this team prevents them from becoming a prerenal contender and has to focused on more cycled runs.
The next big decision they have to make is are they building with the best pitcher in baseball for quite possibly two years in a row or not. Sandy Alcantara has been beyond dominated in the 2021 and 2022 seasons, but he’s being over worked and I really feel like the writing of the injury is already on the wall with this one.
Kim We love you and what you’ve done within this sport and what you can continue to bring to it. Don’t be a lame duck and end up like the man your going to fire because of organizational inability.
Lewis brinson miami fans want u back!
Donnie Baseball will be replacing Boone this off season
I hate the EE with a passion, but I would love that move.
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They should’ve just signed Castellanos last season as opposed to Garcia/Soler.
Much needed offense for next season has to be targeted. I’d trade for Sean Murphy (or sign Wilson Contreras), and bring in one of Bryan Reynolds or Cedric Mullins. They have the pitching to get a deal done (think E Cabrera, Eder, Meyer, Fulton, younger MLB experienced arms like Braxton Garrett, Luzardo) and some young bats like Jacob Berry and JJ Bleday that I’m sure would interest other teams. Round out the offense with a Joey Gallo, Tommy Pham or Benintendi signing.
They should’ve just signed Castellanos last season as opposed to Garcia/Soler.
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Castellanos has a -0.2 bWAR. That’s not a solution.
Castellanos defense hurts him but def has more upside with the bat
I feel like the Marlins have just been in limbo for years now. I’d like to see them win it all again and do a fire sale. That’s the Marlins way that I know and it works great.
I said at the beginning of the season that the Marlins team made no sense. They have a good rotation but that’s it. The owner is delusional for thinking they had a contender.
Wish he well but the Marlins pretty much struck out with pretty much all of their offseason moves.
I, for one, I’m extremely disappointed. I was hoping she would become available to take over the Padres. AJ Preller’s gotta go.