The Angels are selecting the contract of top catching prospect Logan O’Hoppe to the big leagues and designating outfielder Magneuris Sierra for assignment in a corresponding move, per MLB.com’s Rhett Bollinger (Twitter link). O’Hoppe will start behind the plate for the Halos today in his MLB debut.
O’Hoppe, 22, was acquired in the swap that sent center fielder Brandon Marsh to the Phillies prior to the trade deadline. The former 23rd-round find immediately became the Angels’ top-ranked prospect, thanks to a meteoric rise through the minors in 2021-22. O’Hoppe opened the season with the Phillies’ Double-A affiliate and hit .275/.392/.496 with 15 homers through 316 plate appearances in that pitcher-friendly environment, but he’s been even better with the Halos’ Double-A club: .306/.473/.673 and 11 homers in 131 plate appearances. Currently, O’Hoppe is ranked as baseball’s No. 50 prospect at FanGraphs, No. 66 at MLB.com and No. 77 at Baseball America.
Strikeouts were an issue for O’Hoppe early in his minor league career, but he’s curbed those tendencies quite well, going from a 27.7% strikeout rate in 2019 to just a 16.6% clip in Double-A this season. That improved discipline is also made apparent by a huge 15.7% walk rate. He’s walked nearly as often this season (70 times) as he’s punched out (74). The improved approach has perhaps helped O’Hoppe tap into more power, as this year’s 26 long balls and .261 isolated power (slugging percentage minus batting average) are career-highs by a wide margin. In fact, this year’s 26 homers are more than O’Hoppe had tallied in his combined professional career heading into the season (24).
Defensively, the aforementioned scouting reports tout O’Hoppe’s receiving skills, ability to block pitches in the dirt, accurate arm and quick release, calling him a potential everyday option behind the plate. With just a week of games left, it’ll be a brief cup of coffee for O’Hoppe. But the Angels would’ve needed to add him to the 40-man roster over the winter in order to protect him from the Rule 5 Draft anyhow, so they’ll now take the final few games of the season to take a look at a promising prospect they hope can be a foundational piece in the coming years.
O’Hoppe’s acquisition and quick rise to the Majors comes just six months into a three-year, $17.5MM extension signed by Max Stassi. The extension looked sensible enough for both parties back in March, as Stassi had long been a top-tier defender who looked to have had a late-blooming breakout at the plate when he hit .250/.333/.452 with the Angels in 2020-21. The 2022 season has been a nightmare for Stassi, though, as he’s slumped to a .182/.268/.298 output in 365 trips to the plate and seen his typically sky-high defensive marks dip to about league average.
The Angels still have Stassi signed at $7MM in each of the next two seasons, and a $500K buyout on a 2025 club option brings the total commitment to him to $14.5MM beyond the current campaign. That’ll make him a pricey backup if O’Hoppe indeed emerges as the starter, though it’s important to note that O’Hoppe still has just six career games in Triple-A — all coming late last season. It’s possible O’Hoppe will begin next season in Triple-A Salt Lake, while the Angels subsequently hope for a Stassi rebound that would give them a pair of quality options. However, it’s just as feasible that O’Hoppe unseats Stassi as the starter, and the Angels eventually look to get out from underneath the remainder of Stassi’s contract.
As for the present-day corresponding move, Sierra’s DFA comes on the heels of a .165/.200/.242 showing in 96 trips to the plate. Once a prospect of note himself, Sierra is among the game’s fastest players but has never produced enough with the bat to capitalize on his prodigious wheels. In 636 career plate appearances between the Cardinals, Marlins and Angels, he’s a .228/.273/.272 hitter. He’ll be placed on outright waivers or release waivers within the next couple of days and can become a minor league free agent at season’s end either way.
Great to see O’Hoppe get a look. Hopefully this sets the stage for a bigger one next season.
This is the kind of move that would have been made 9/1 when rosters used to expand to 40. Too bad analytics and 8 pitcher games ruined that and YES I am over it…..just miss it seeing the young guys in the dugout and getting a few MLB reps..
Anyway agree DS rooting for him and Moniak….as I do for a lot of former Phillie prospects…
I’m not sure the roster expansion would have necessarily made a difference in this case. O’Hoppe would have still only been 1 month into a new organization, less than a year at AA, and the AA team was going to the playoffs. Additionally, he still would have had to have made his way onto the 40 man roster for that to happen
Not saying he doesn’t deserve to get a cup of coffee the last week, just there are numerous circumstances that prevented that from being the case until now
Because of service time manipulation, this move would not have been made in recent years.
The Angels may start the year next year with O’Hoppe as their starting catcher and may gamble on him finishing high in the ROY race.
His call up date had nothing to do with analytics or 8 pitcher games. In the past the minor league season ended on August 31st. This year the AA season ended on September 23rd and the Trash Pandas made the SL playoffs. Also the rosters did not expand to include the entire 40 man roster on September 1st this season. Just 2 additional roster spots. As an Angels fan I would have loved to see one of our best prospects get a shot earlier.
Could have been the greatest Irish basketball player of all-time by name alone.
Patrick O’Dunnk would disagree with you lad.
O’Drunkk?
The Angels have painted themselves into a bit of a corner. They need to roll the dice with Rendon, Walsh, Fletcher, O’Hoppe and probably even Adell.
All of them could stink next year, all could be good major league players. They can’t commit a lot of money replacing those guys.
The Angels need to add a starting pitcher, a good RH hitter who can play first and outfield. And of curse more bullpen. They could do all that, but if the above players stink, it will still blow up in their faces.
And a new owner.
The right new owner will be the biggest change they can make that will impact winning.
I guess I’m one of the few Angel fans that doesn’t dislike Arte.
He’s too hands on, but he doesn’t bring in PED cheaters, which I like.
I’m not sorry or happy to see him go, but I’m excited about having a new owner. I know for a fact that DiPoto left due to Arte and not Scioscia.
I’ve been indifferent towards Moreno too until a couple years ago when it continued to be the same story year after year regardless of who was our GM and who was managing the team. Hearing Maddon’s comments solidified it for me. Moreno will not do what it takes to build a winning team. It starts and ends with pitching. He pretends to be involved in the negotiations for top end pitching and when they sign elsewhere he responds by spending way too much on an over the hill bat. Then he pieces together a pitching staff of mediocre arms hoping they would play way over their skill level. That has been the story for years now.
The new owner group should have a former player or two who understand baseball.
I like Arte too. The guy tried. He really did. Everything backfired. The stadium issues on down the line. People on FB are full of hate. They should of been Angel fans when all we had was Ryan and Tanana and nothing else.
How did Moreno try specifically?
So you don’t care if your team stinks, just as long as no one is suspected of PEDs? Odd, but to each their own.
I don’t want to root for a cheater. I would much rather take my chances with a non-cheater.
And if I had to cheat to win, what’s the point? I’d rather lose.
But then again, I have integrity, many people don’t.
Definitely understand it, the team I root for couldn’t win if they did cheat so I’d just take about anything in my lifetime.
He spent the teams revenue giving big contracts to players who had recently made an impact in attention drawing games, so they had the name hype for casual fans to get excited about.
He them spent absolutely nothing anywhere else, be it on roster depth or any aspect of the backside. Instead he crossed his fingers players would just develop, stay healthy and perform at peak ability all on their own – all while getting casuals excited over the very low expectations bar of a possible 500 season and a fluke sneaking into the playoffs (neither of which happened, of course)
It made him a ton of money, and created an army of loyal casuals who to this day just chalk up everything over the last 8 or so years that’s gone horribly wrong to bad luck.
Worst run organization in the game
Prov- M O N E Y Lots of it
Hamilton
Hunter
Pujols
Wells (acquired by trade but huge contract
CJ WILSON
HAREN
RENDON
VLAD
GARY MATTHEWS Jr
ESCOBAR
GUILLEN
UPTON
ESCOBAR
Big contracts TO Angels
Trout
Weaver
Santana
To name a few
Paid $20M for the rights to sign Ohtani
Was going either renovate stadium or build a new one.
According to you, this worst run organization in baseball has never lost more than 95 games.
Five teams are going to break the Angels worst season this year. The Angels have once picked within the top ten this century.
Hard to believe anyone considers this the worst run organization in baseball.
Winslow.
Agree.
The Angels are about to hold the longest playoff drought and longest drought between playoff wins
They’re a team that has run 3 of the single best generational players in the game since 2000, plus countless other big name players. They’re a team with a top 5-9 payroll every single season. And still, they can do nothing at all other than float around 450-475 and 4th place in their weak division
Every single other team has accomplished something. Be it a run or a rebuild, they have something to show for the last 5-7 years. The Angels have just run in place, accomplishing absolutely nothing but lining their owners pocket
Yes, easily the worst run organization in baseball
Take away the baseball aspect and what you have is a marketer. That’s his bread and butter.
Bottom line, Arte was more concerned about winning the off-season than he was winning the regular season.
He was obsessed with keeping the Angels in the headlines. Good or bad. That’s how he could go after Gerritt Cole and then pivot needed pitcher funds to an aging 3B. He wanted the headlines.
The Angels are the Charlie Brown’s of baseball. Every spring we think this is the year we are going to kick that football, and every year Lucy pulls that football away.
It’s debatable if that’s better than thinking we have no chance every Spring.
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But it’s laughable to think this is the worst run team in baseball.
That’s a good analogy but what I see is Moreno is who puts Lucy there holding the football every year.
There has never been any reason for Angels fans to feel any season was the year they’re about to kick the football. Every single year the same exact issues have been there, and every single year the same exact outcome is seen.
If you’ve talked yourself into believing his lies and excuses, that’s on you. But there has not been any indication that anything has changed the entire time.
Multiple generational talents and a top payroll, yet absolutely nothing at all to show for it. No team success on the field, no group of prospects developed, no nothing to be found. Meanwhile everyone else has accomplished whatever goals they laid out before them.
So unless your sole goal was to line Moreno’s pocket while the team runs in place accomplishing nothing, they are the worst run organization. By miles.
Arte was following Rendon since he was in college. He had chance to sign him so he did.
Every year the same issues? Give me a break.
What was the issue in 2014 when they had the best record in baseball?
What was the issue in 2015? They have had an ace the last three years. They have a solid front four this year and are expected to have a solid front four in 2023?
Unless it’s injuries, It’s not the same issue every year.
I think it’s fair we’ve got some short term bias here (myself included). Artes early years of signing Bartolo and Vladdy were unreal. It’s still a mystery to me how that 2005 team lost to the White Sox. F U AJ P.
I think those early successes led to bad signings like Hamilton and Pujols.
So to be honest, I see how the org got here, but now it’s time to hit the reset button with a new owner.
Yep, exactly right, dirkg
That’s a far cry from the worst organization in baseball.
The problems the Angels have going into 2023 are completely different than the problems going into 2019.
No they’re not. Oakland is worsed runned along Pittsburg and Baltimore. Oakland goes on the cheap and use the term Moneyball as a excuse. They play in toilet bowl of a stadium. BTW what teams outside of Baltimore and Pittsburgh the last few years knew they didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell they were going to win in April??
Everyone likes to pick on.the Angels because we have Trout and Ohtani.
Actually pitching has been the consistent problem every year. All we’ve done, with few exceptions, is sign pitchers who are hoping for a bounce back to a once mediocre career. There have been other issues, like shortstop in 2022, but pitching is at the foundation of why we’ve seen the same results every year in the past several seasons.
It’s lack of depth. Every single year there are only 3 to 4 stars, plus a hope that a hodgepodge of vets will rebound or AAA fillers will break out.
I mean, you’re currently sitting here with fingers crossed that next season Fletcher and Stassi and Walsh and Ward and Rengifo and Canning and Suarez and Barria and on and on all are all able to repeat their short period of fluke production at the same time to finally catapult the team above the 500 mark. That is pathetic.
And while you undoubtedly hide behind that injury excuse as well, the injuries are actually self induced. All you have to do is look around to realize that no other team has nearly the constant devastating injury history the Angels do. Okay, the Mets did under their old joke of an owner, but they strove to correct that issue under the new one. Angels just live with it year in and year out, using it as their excuse instead of doing anything to fix the problem.
And yes, correct, the Angels fluked in 2014. On other side of it? A .481 (.498 Pythagorean) and a .525 (.490 Pythagorean.) 2014 wasn’t a good team, it was a lucky one …one that quickly got dismissed in the playoff without anyone really noticing they were there, and completely forgotten in the dustbin of history.
Bullpen has been a consistent problem. And there was a four or five year span where pitching was the problem. But that wasn’t the problem in 2014 or 2015 or going into 2016.
The last three years in a row the Angels have had a starter that has pitched like an ace. And that doesn’t appear to be the problem in 2023.
Bullpen, depth and injuries have been consistent issues. They are all issues next year as well.
dirkg,
He was also still working with a mostly inherited organization at that time (one that won the World Series the year prior to him buying it)
Since that time is when his ideas have taken over the organization, and his ideas are always to repeat that same philosophy of buying a big name player or two and hoping that is enough to get them over the top. The number of such acquisitions that have failed spectacularly is rather unbelievable when you start compiling a full list of them all. Yet still, that plus PR is all that really needs to be done to give casuals a false sense of “trying” every year.
Winslow Leach,
Oakland has been to the playoffs 3 times in the last 5 seasons
Baltimore completely got rid of their old front office and are already enjoying the results of the rebuild the old group insisted on not taking
Pittsburgh is on the cusp of enjoying their recent rebuild, with more than a half dozen important rookies making their debut in 2022
The Angels? Still running in place, under 500, around 4th place in their division, like every single year prior.
So what good have Trout and Ohtani been to the Angels? They’ve merely kept them relatively close to 500, nothing more. Remove the value of Trout alone from the club and Anaheim has a better record than I believe only Miami the last 7 seasons. That is how bad the rest of the club Arte has assembled has been.
61- The guys on MLB Central were saying that the other day. The Angels have Trout and Ohtani, arguably two of the best players in baseball, and they are this bad year after year. They also said that Moreno has acted like the team is just a tweak or two away from contention for several years and they simply aren’t. It was a brutal but accurate analysis.
Darkstar,
Depth, Bullpen and Injuries. If anyone says it is something other than that they are looking with their eyes closed. Like you looking at 2014 and 2015.
You need to look again at 2014. I’m sure you meant 2015. And go look at that staff again in 2015. Starting Pitching was not supposed to be an issue in 2016. And the start of 2016 looks nothing like what the Angels have in 2023.
In a very short amount of time, the Angels lost Shoemaker, Richards, Weaver, Richards, Wilson, Heaney and Skaggs to career ending injuries. It’s laughable to think that could have been resolved in the free-agent market.
So for a window, the Angels starters stunk. An ace would have done them no good.
This is the first year Ohtani and Trout have played together. The point is ridiculous.
The Angels are getting good starting pitching, so why are the so bad?
Bullpen. Injuries and Depth. They went into the year without a shortstop. When Rendon, Walsh and Fletcher went down, their plan “B’ was a joke. Marsh and Adell both flopped, Ward replaced one, not the other.
That’s an issues for 2023, but those issues are different than other seasons.
I didn’t see it, but glad to hear the network is exposing it all.
Because really, the Angels have been 477-547, .466 from 2016-2022. But Mike Trout alone has accounted for roughly 45 wins of that production. When removing merely Trout, replacing him with a random replacement player, the team is 432-592, .422
That is better than only two rebuilding clubs, Baltimore (422-602, .412) and Detroit (422-597, .414,) and is actually slightly worse than Miami (438-584, .429) over that time (apparently my Miami memory was that they are the Marlins if they didn’t have Trout)
When you account for Ohtani as well, you quickly realize they are easily the single worst club in baseball over that 7 year span.
And the thing is, even if you remove their salaries with them, the Angels are still a top-10/15 payroll. They’re spending a ton on salaries to be that pathetic.
2 generational players that fell into their laps are making it hard for some to see what an absolute joke this organization has otherwise been. They’ve done nothing but waste time for years (well, and accomplish their true goal of lining Moreno’s pocket, as many fans have been very slow to catch onto the fact they have been being used the whole time)
Trout and Ohtani have played together for zero full years.
This is the closest they have both been full time players and Trout missed a month. I doubt Trout will qualify for a batting title… it will be close.
It’s absurd to link them in that manner simply because they wear the same uniform.
Why don’t you include Rendon in the comparison as well. It makes as much sense.
Halofan- If you have Netflix, there’s a documentary on Nolan Ryan. I watched it up until he left the Angels and signed with the Astros. I’ll finish watching it tonight.
Nope – Depth, Bullpen, Injuries, a rotation of fingers crossed on everyone (includingthe “Ace'” who has all of 61 starts over a 5 year span,) and AAA scrubs filling multiple starting positions in the lineup.
In other words, they’ve had really nothing but blind hope …hence, single worst record in baseball the last 7 season after accounting for Trout and Ohtani
And you keep saying 2015. The team had a Pythagorean W-L of 79-83 in 2015, scoring 661 Runs and giving up 675. They should not have had a winning record, and were unbelievably lucky to finish with the .525, 3rd in AL West, placing they did.
And as far as all those pitchers they ruined? Yeah, what about it? As I said at the beginning, and have repeated multiple times since, they spend absolutely nothing on the back end to develop or protect the health of players. They expect guys to just stay healthy on their own. Doing it literally killed Skaggs, as he was self medicating to compensate
But you keep going back talking about 9 years ago to excuse their being consistently the absolute worst team in baseball the last 7. What happened 9 years ago should have zero affect on what happened 3 years ago, so I’m not sure why that’s literally all you can talk about. Yes, they fluked for a year and a bit. No, none of those pitchers that fluked were actually all that special. No, seeing some guys fluking for a very short period of time does not mean they’ve figured anything out.
I could care less how many games you’re trying to claim Trout and Ohtani have specifically played together. If neither were ever on the club, the club is dramatically worse than even the Os and Tigers the last 7 years
It’s the group of players Arte has put around Trout and Ohtani the last 7 years that are the biggest group of worthless scrubs possibly imaginable …and the fact you just gloss over that shows why it was so easy for him to take advantage of you to line his pocket
I saw it. Some of it was BS, but I enjoyed it.
I always laugh when they edit Dick Enberg’s original strikeout call. Eberg said, “Ryan has two strikes on Ryan”. And they always edit that to “Ryan has two strikes on Rich Reese”.
So they have the worst record in baseball if you take away their two best players.
Thanks.
That’s great analysis.
Yep
I present to you, the rest of your 2022 Angels
SP 0.3 WAR (without Ohtani)
RP -2.2 WAR
CA -2.9 WAR
1B -3.0 WAR
2B -0.2 WAR
3B -2.3 WAR
SS 0.6 WAR
LF -2.5 WAR
CF -3.0 WAR (without Trout)
RF -0.3 WAR
DH -1.9 WAR (without Ohtani)
And that’s the team you felt was going to have you kicking that football!
They’re statistically the single worst collection of scrubs in the game this year, but you still bought into Arte telling you about the most recent tweak that was totally going to do it for them this time. You were soo going to kick that football in 2022, huh?
Anyway, he thanks you for your continued financial support as you’ve stuck behind and defended this team of AAA fillers for years for who knows what reason
And hey, maybe this same group will be way, way better next season! Haha. So yep, just keep those fingers crossed tightly (and more importantly, that cash spent!)
I get it, you are irrationally venting. You’re not really meant to be taken seriously.
If you take away Chance and Fregosi from the Angels, or Ryan and Tanana from the Angels, that would automatically make them the worse run organization in baseball.
Great analysis.
DarkStar-You conviently left out the fact the Angels went to the playoffs 5 out of 7 years after Arte bought the team. And might of went to the WS in 05 if not for the bad call of one Doug Eddings who gave the hand signal the runner was out. But lied and said he didnt. In the ALCS. But that’s okay.
I think he’s frustrated and venting. The posts really don’t make a lot of sense.
I wrote a post a few hours ago about my concerns for the 2023 team.
I would think you would have to leave a spot open for Rendon, Fletcher and Walsh.. and even Adell.
It’s why I think Wil Myers would be a good add. All you need is league average production from these positions, and Myers is insurance/depth.
Other than adding more BP pieces and depth, I don’t have a clue how to address these injuries.
The Angels have used 62 players not named Trout or Ohtani.
Those 62 players combined to be the single worst group of players in baseball. And by far!
Arte gave you a group of 62 guys that combined provided less than any random group of AAA guys would have been expected to do.
The fact that means nothing to you …well as I said, Moreno absoluetly loves you! You’re the reason he’s been able to get away with his pocket lining con for so long! You’re the sucker to his Barnum.
Btw, I did regretfully make an error though, mistakenly counting Ohtani’s DH WAR as his SP WAR. The corrected numbers:
SP -1.6 WAR (without Ohtani)
RP -2.2 WAR
CA -2.9 WAR
1B -3.0 WAR
2B -0.2 WAR
3B -2.3 WAR
SS 0.6 WAR
LF -2.5 WAR
CF -3.0 WAR (without Trout)
RF -0.3 WAR
DH -1.9 WAR (without Ohtani)
You’re here desperately trying to defend the indefensible, so go right ahead, defend the numbers. I dare you to! You know they show you to be a total schmuck
Agree and spot on. On top of that many of the so called aces that many fans wanted were not going to sign here or would have been disasters.
I wouldn’t call Fletcher,Ward,Rengifo and Marsh (When he’s healthy) scrubs.
This is emblematic of why the Phils never progress. They send a top 50 minor league talent for a guy who’s not a difference maker. Fear not though Phils fans. Middleton will spend his way to success handing out 10 year exorbitant contracts to 30 year old players. The Phils way… If that’s all it takes, they should hire me. I know good free agents when I see ’em…
He is hitting 288 with the Phils, and I bet he’;s playing a gold glove type CF,
He has as good of a chance to be a difference maker as O’Hoppe.
He is hitting 288 with the Phils,
=================================
The .288 comes with a .400 BABIP. When his BABIP reverts to .300, his average will revert to the low-.200s.
So you don’t think he has a chance to be a difference maker?
Marsh’s a work in progress, I think that much is clear, but he’s a much-needed strong CF glove and his speed has really impressed so far. I think he’ll pan out going forward.
And hopefully all the pressure of being a highly touted prospect is off….
We should probably assume he was told play good D and listen to Kevin Long….you’ll be hitting in the bottom of this line-up….
JoeBrady;
Marsh has a .400 BABIP because hitting coach Kevin Long has him hitting the ball up the middle.
Doubt O’Hoppe sees more than 2 games. Stassi is garbage, but they play him almost nightly. Thaiss should have been playing every other game(former 1st round pick), but they prefer the suck of Stassi. They can’t sell this franchise fast enough for me.
Stassi has been awful this year and Thais has been awful every year.
Stassi has been just mis cast. He’s a good player and role character. Like a lot of the players The Angels have rolled out day to day this year; he just isn’t an everyday player and he’s tired.
Let’s can the negativity and get on the hype train for O’Hoppe! LOOK AT THOSE WALK NUMBERS!!!! Can’t teach them kinda smarts at any level.
You’re talking about AA numbers for O’Hoppe. They don’t mean much at the MLB level.
You don’t know anything about baseball. Go back to soccer bud.
Who are you talking too, Buff?
Prov….do you care?
Not really…more of a morbid curiosity…like when you pass a car crash and have to look.
I don’t know anyone who was annoyed with the Stassi signing and you don’t pay anyone 6 million a year with the expectation he’s going to be a part time player.
Stassi has been awful. Period.
that wombat that calls himself and halo’s fan. needs to dutch oven himself and do a qualitly sniff test
Halo- Stassi cracks me up when he’s up to bat. He points the end of the bat toward the pitcher. Next pitch. Swing and a miss strike 3.
This sounds like another premature Angels promotion for a guy who hasn’t spent enough time, or any time, in AAA. AA numbers are irrelevant in the majors. We definitely need a solution behind the plate so maybe he is it. But I don’t understand why the Angels need to rush these guys up. Instead they should fill the MLB roster with good MLB players and use these guys as depth for the stretch, if we ever get to a meaningful stretch.
I disagree. I’d rather a player come from AA than the PCL. It is hard to develop players in the PCL.
That’s an argument to make. I hope it works out for him.
*hoppe
It’s because AAA has become more a league of career minor leaguers and utility players. Most top hitting prospects jump from AA
I think it has more do to with the altitude and dry air associated with these parks.
Do you know the percentage of players that come directly to the major leagues vs those that come from AAA to the major leagues? Just a suggestion, but you MAY want to look into that.
Nice. I had a great time at the ballpark last night, soaking in a perfect evening knowing my data at tte ballpark are numbered.
Will be cool to see O’Hoppe play before the eve of the year.
So they tried Adell without sufficient AAA experience, and that didn’t work.
So they tried Marsh, with less than 100 AAA ABs, and not surprisingly, that failed as well.
So they were so happy that both Adell and Marsh failed, they decide to triple-down with O’Hoppe, and promote him with only 21 AAA ABs. I like O’Hoppe, and it looked like a pretty decent gamble. But it’s like, if one of the prospects hits the top-100, it means the Angels no longer to bother with development.
That seems to be the pattern Joe Brady. I think it is evidence of having no MLB or AAA depth to draw from.
Joe, I get your point, but the PCL is an awful place to attempt to develop players. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
Julio Rodreguez has zero AAA ABs. You don’t want to develop players in that league.
One week left in the season. O’Hoppe’s probably starting 2023 at AAA. They’re just getting him a look.
Adell and Marsh are pretty much the same player. Both have all the tools in the world, but both are horrible making contact. The main difference is Marsh is far superior defensively and Adell has more raw power. Both have been disappointments. With Ward proving to be a viable at the major league level, it made one of them expendable.
The Angels have done a far better job at addressing needs in recent years compared to the 7-8 years prior. The Angels organizationally are paper thin at the catcher position. The trade for O Hoppe made a lot of sense. Catchers are much harder to find compared to corner outfielder They have also invested heavily in pitching which has been neglected for years. They also took Neto in the first round which is another weakness for the organization. I believe addressing needs rather taking best athlete available will payoff in the future. They are still have one of the worst farm systems, but give it some time.
The Angels rotation has some potential,. Ohtani, Detmers, Sandoval, Suarez can be solid. It would be nice to add another righty to go along with Ohtani. Silseth also has the stuff to compete though had a rough go at it at the major league level. It will be an interesting off season to see what happens with FA and Ohtani.
“The Angels organizationally are paper thin at the catcher position”.
In addition to O’Hoppe they have 2 highly regarded catching prospects.
They have Quero, but he is 19yo so about 3 years from being an Angel. The Angels have more of an immediate need.
I don’t who else your talking about, but if it is Thaiss, I have yet to be impressed.
Forget AAA stats. AA is where you get a better read.
Sad when your top prospect barely cracks any national top 50 lists.
Logan O’Hoppe- that like a futuristic Irish pancake place?
Cry me a river.
This is baseball…
No crying in baseball.
The O’Hoppe Marsh trade was a good old fashioned baseball trade
quality for quality. Both great young players with big upsides.
Marsh is already playing gold glove CF for the Phillies in a pennant race and fills a huge hole they had in CF.
O’Hoppe has a chance to be an impact, star catcher for the Angels.
Both teams gave up young, rising, quality players to fill their team’s needs.
Dombrowski and Phillies coaches, including legendary hitting coach Kevin Long,
looked at a lot of film of Marsh hitting. They saw some things in his swing and approach that they think they can fix and help him break through with his hitting @ the MLB level.
It is working. Marsh has had 3 and 4 hit games in his short time with the Phillies.
This old fashioned baseball trade looks like it will work out well for both sides in the deal Angels and Phillies.
(quality young player for quality young player).
OP’Hoppe was blocked in Phillie by All Star catcher JT Realmeto) sp?)
Marsh is contributing in Philly. .288 with a 107 OPS+. He is still just 24 years old. Its not like Herrera or Vierling were setting the world on fire in CF for the Phillies. With Realmuto and Stubbs ahead of him on the depth chart, Hoppe had not shot at playing time for the Phillies.
Good luck Logan. Was hoping to see you with the Phillies, but wish you success in LA
I am not going to bag on Arte Moreno the 1st MLB Hispanic owner.
There is a balance: being a fan and being an owner.
Arte was both and made some impulse buys that hurt the club.(Pujols, Rendon some of the pitcher signings and others).
Arte also made some very good moves signing Ohtani and Trout.
The Best organizations hire the best Front Office talent they can find and then delegate most of the decisions to the baseball professionals.
Ownership usually retains the right to veto major trades and free agent signings
if they think it is not in the best interests of their ballclub(financially and for short and long term business plan). It is their baseball people who make most of the baseball decisions with a few exceptions.
(If you want to trade Trout or Ohtani or try to sign Soto then ownership has to give input and approve or deny that move).
Arte, at times, let the fan in him get the best of him and sometimes it hurt the Angels. Arte Moreno was a well meaning guy who, as a successful business executive, was used to “calling the shots” in his businesses and that spilled over into the Angels also.
That has happened with many teams, not just the Angels.
Franchise seems cursed with tragedies. Bostock, Moore , Adenhart, Skaggs , Valbuena just off top of my head. Tough luck
Just a general question regarding the Halos… How is it that the front office spends gobs of money and the team never improves? I mean you have Trout, Rendon, Ohtani, Addell, decent pitching. And no one ever hears of these guys. Trout has no public recognition whatsoever. Who is the face of MLB? Surely not him. But why not? Why would he re-sign with that losing, sorry organization to just bury himself in obscurity for the rest of his career?
Exactly how many times did Ken Griffey Jr go to the playoffs?
Three times. I bet Trout beats that.
Now that’s something to aspire to… Good for Trout.
I guess you missed my point. Maybe he actually enjoys where he plays.
The arrogance of you people who seem to want to run people life’s based on your choices astounds me.
With a head so large, who knows what’s best for everyone, how do you even manage to put on your baseball cap?
Boy, I bet you were protesting constantly with Nolan Ryan’s choices.
My point is that winning must not be his first priority because the Angels are a horribly run organization who don’t win. Hes been with them long enough to know that. They spend a ton of money and only regress. If he’s happy with that then God bless him.
If that’s your point, you are likely right. And there is nothing wrong with making choices that you believe will lead to a higher quality of life.
He’s choosing what is best for him.
Trout kinda shy’s away from attention. It’s not for everyone. He’s not obscure. He’s high regarded as GOAT. Everyone knows who Ohtani and Trout are. Guys like Reggie Jackson, A-Fraud and Pete Rose love attention. At least he’s not making headlines for all the wrong reasons like NBA and NFL players do.
Winslow, as you finish the Ryan documentary, there are a lot of similarities. After you finish it, I”m curious what you think.
Ryan wrote a couple of books where he threw Fregosi under the bus. It also contradicts the documentary. Fregosi kept his mouth shut which made me respect the man even more.
What. Took. So. Long???