On Monday, shortly after the Yankees acquired Frankie Montas, they moved Luis Severino to the 60-day injured list due to his lat strain. That seemed to shine a light on why the acquisition of Montas was so important to the club, as the severity of Severino’s injury wasn’t publicly known at the time. Given that the Yankees don’t expect him to be back before mid-September, it made sense why the rotation upgrade was desired.
However, it seems that the seriousness of the injury came as a surprise to Severino himself, with Chris Kirschner of The Athletic reporting that Severino was unhappy with the transfer. “I was not happy. I was not expecting that,” Severino said of being moved to the 60-day IL.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman spoke to Kirschner about the miscommunication. “When we tried to walk through it with a calendar, (Severino) just didn’t want to see it,” Cashman said. “He just wants to pitch. He’s not capable of pitching yet, and it’s going to take time to get him back on line. We both wish he was healthy right now. We both wish he was capable, but he’s not.”
Manager Aaron Boone tells Kirschner that the Yankees still plan to stretch Severino out as a starter when he returns. That suggests that Severino might need some kind of rehab once his lat has healed, to build back into a starter’s workload. Perhaps the confusion arose from the fact that Severino might start throwing again in about a month but then would need a few weeks to get fully geared up. A minor league rehab assignment for a pitcher can last as long as 30 days. “It just comes down to this is the program that gets him back and you can’t speed up or you risk breaking him again,” Cashman said. “That’s not in anyone’s best interest.”
Though it remains to be seen how Severino’s return progresses, the fact that he was surprised by his transfer suggests that he doesn’t expect to be out longer than the 60-day minimum, allowing him to return just in time for the final postseason push.
Elsewhere in Yankee rotation news, Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald relay that the Yankees and Dodgers both pushed the Marlins for a Pablo Lopez trade, with the Yankees getting “closest” to a deal. Though the full trade scenarios that were discussed aren’t know, the report says that Gleyber Torres was mentioned.
It’s unclear if it was the Yankees or the Marlins that wanted to include Torres in trade talks, but it’s understandable why the Marlins would want him. Torres is hitting .257/.312/.466 on the year for a wRC+ of 120. He’s also making just $6.25MM this year and can be retained for a further two seasons via arbitration. However, the Marlins already have a star second baseman in Jazz Chisholm Jr., who is out for the remainder of this season but would be back next year. Torres was a shortstop when he came up but was moved to second by the Yanks after he failed to impress there. Even if the Marlins were willing to give him another try there, that would also be a bit of an awkward fit with Miguel Rojas still around for one more season.
Regardless of the various packages that were discussed, it is notable that the Yanks tried to get yet another starter. As mentioned earlier, they swapped in Montas to take the place of Severino, but then later flipped Jordan Montgomery to the Cardinals. That leaves them with a four-man rotation of Montas, Gerrit Cole, Nestor Cortes and Jameson Taillon. Domingo German has recently been called up from the minors and has made three starts but has a 6.39 so far.
Acquiring Lopez and bumping German back to the minors surely would have been a boon for the rotation, as Lopez has a 3.41 ERA through 21 starts on the year and fairly similar results in the previous two campaigns as well. A trade for Lopez was always going to be a challenge given that he can be controlled for two more seasons beyond this one, but perhaps the two clubs can revisit talks in the offseason and build off the conversations they’ve already had. Taillon is set to reach free agency after this season, potentially causing the Yankees to look for an extra hurler.
LordD99
I suspect the Yankees used Severino being on the IL as an easy way to control innings. He likely would have been back before mid-September, but they also probably only sacrificed a couple weeks. Probably better for him and the Yankees to have him at full strength come the postseason.
Joe says...
Could be but Sevy is a slow healer. He always seems to have some sort of set back in his rehabs.
Mickey777
LordD99 and Joe says,
I agree with both of you and another factor was their 11 game lead in the AL East with only 56 games to play.
I think it says a lot about their lack of confidence in Montgomery, as well. Why else would you trade a starting pitcher for an outfielder who won’t be physically ready to play until at least mid September?
costergaard2
With Monty, there are capable arms in AAA like Clarke Schmidt. There is also the end of the year and the Rule 5 draft. I don’t want to lose Nestor Cortes to the Orioles (then they gave him back !) or Whitlock to the Red Sox. Better to get something for him than just let him go at the end of the year.
Lars MacDonald
I think it’s more likely that Cashman’s comments are the reason. Maybe it’s a bit of both.
Either way, he’s not someone who should be allowed to rush back.
Putting him on the 60IL reduces the chance of tweaking the Lat again.
slider32
Agreed, but there is a fine line here trying to communicate this to him., They cause an opener, or add Schmidt to the mix.
bwmiller
Should put Cole on the 60-day, he has been getting shelled.
Good news for the Yankee fans though, I thought for some reason it was going to be his shoulder that was giving Severino trouble with the Yanks moving him to the 60-day but sounds he’ll be ready to go in September.
The_M4N
Have you seen the splits between Higgy and Trevino? Why is he still pitching to Higgy? Is he that stubborn or is there something I am missing?
thegreatgoodbye
I wonder if there is a relationship issue with Monty and Blake and I also wonder if maybe Cashman had a crush on Bader and wanted him badly. No matter what, Yankees need Montas to be a legit #2, German to be a solid #4 and Bader to be a legit defensive CF in the playoffs
You Can Put It In The Books
Legit
JeffreyChungus
Legitimately
StudWinfield
German is not going to be anything in the playoffs but a mop up
Joe says...
I think Cashman thought the deal for Lopez was happening and got bit in the butt when it didn’t.
Captain Judge99
@Joesays…- I definitely think you got something there. I truly think that’s exactly what happened. I wonder if the Marlins would of had interest in Gleyber and Monty? I do feel that Gleyber, Schmidt, Andujar and another piece could of landed López. It definitely sounds like the Marlins backed out. Maybe they wanted Gomez instead of Schmidt? Not sure.
hockeyjohn
Captain, I think the deadline may come back to haunt Cashman. He left the Yankees dangerously weak in pitching depth. With their outstanding start, it would have to be extremely disappointing to not win it all.
Captain Judge99
@hockeyjohn- your absolutely right! So angry with Ca$hman right now. I think he had a trade for Pablo López, and then the Marlins backed out last 2nd. Smh. I don’t understand why he would trade Monty? When we need pitching, that made zero sense. Unless this was coming from Hal or something. Is it too late for me to become a Guardian’s fan? I do hate the White Sox and the Twinkies. Lmao! Have you traded Cole yet? My Yankees are falling apart. Smh
64' Yanks
Maybe the Marlins thiought they had Cashman cornered after he traded Monty to the Cardinals so that the Marlins could ask for more from the Yankees.
hockeyjohn
Captain, no, I am going to bench Cole until he gets his act together. It is not easy for me to trade since I am in first place and won the last two years. This is a redraft league, so I also know I won’ t draft Cole again.
Captain Judge99
@hockeyjohn- I can’t fault you or the Yankees for wanting this guy though. Great stuff. He frustrates the hell out of me though. Cole throws 100 right over the plate, with no movement! These players can hit that now. Every time he pitches to Devers, he hits it in the seats. Maybe Higgy shouldn’t catch him anymore? Not sure. Yeah definitely bench him for now, till he gets his act together. Lmao! Hang in there my friend!
The_M4N
Are conditional offers not a thing?
slider32
I just think that Bader fills a big need, and Monty wasn’t pitching as wthell as he did the first half. I think Cashmam thinks that German and Schmidt can do almost the same job. Add to that Montas as a 2 starter.
Captain Judge99
@slider32- hey I hear you and your right. I still would of kept Monty, and called up Florial or Andujar truthfully, especially Bader having this Achilles issue. My preference has always been Florial who can play all 3 outfield positions and hit. Estevan is out of options for next season, I hope he comes up and stays permanently, unless he’s traded.
Mickey777
Cap Just don’t understand their reluctance to recall Florial. They could have had a great defensive CF and Montgomery. Florial is having a very good year with the stick at Scranton.
Captain Judge99
@Mickey777- I agree with you 100%. I might need you to do me a big favor. Anyway you can take needle out of my arm tonight? Lmao! Our boy Florial is never gonna get a chance in pinstripes. Smh. Maybe we can trade him to my friend, @hockeyjohn in the offseason. At least the Guardians would use him. Bader is hurt. We traded for a injured player! Smh
JoshHosh
Huh? He’s the #5 starter now, and will be booted from the rotation in favor of Severino when he returns in September.
He will be a long man at best,if he even makes the post season roster. Only way he even sniffs being the #4 starter is if there are multiple injuries.
StudWinfield
I tend to believe someone effed up, triggering the Monty deal before the Lopez deal was a known.
oneiblnd
Trading a legit LH in anyones starting rotation for a hurt CF makes no sense. You trade for starting pitching not trade it away.
Shrutefarm
Especially a team that is already known to be looking for SP help. Curious trade indeed.
JohnTheFisherman
Yankees had a great deadline til they dumped Monty for a 5th outfielder. Really baffling move, German is not a legit starter, maybe they call Clarke Schmidt up again but no matter what their pitching is looking too thin
stymeedone
I don’t understand why Yankee fans look at Bader as if he is bench material. He is a Gold Glove CF, who would be the starter on at least 25 of the 30 teams, and that is a position of weakness for NYY. Yes, he is currently injured, but as everyone keeps pointing to their lead and how they can take their time with Severino, that’s true with Bader, also.
ctyank7
Only a fool would count on Severino contributing anything this post-season.
As talented as he is, the man is both brittle and slow healer.
It’s also interesting to see Torres included in the (failed) talks with the Marlins. Talented as he is, the guy still has mental lapses in the field and strikes out too much.
Was Cashman ready to hand prospect Oswald Peraza regular work with LeMahieu and the declining Donaldson in the middle of a pennant race?
ctyank7
Volpe has topped out around .a 250 average. Yes, he steals a lot of bases, but unless Whitey Herzog or Walter Alston will be managing the Yanks down the line, steals are not an integral part of the NYY offense.
ctyank7
Them in the ALDS, they’ll likely face Seattle or Toronto… That showdown with the Astros might never happen.
Dorothy_Mantooth
The Yankees made a bad mistake by trading Montgomery to St. Louis. They have left themselves shorthanded in starters, especially with Cortez already at a career high in innings pitched. They really don’t have another starter ready for the big leagues should anyone else (including German) go down or lose effectiveness. Very strange decision, especially for a hurt player in Bader.
Yanks2
Clarke Schmidt
Dorothy_Mantooth
Schmidt seems better suited for a bullpen role. Not sure if he’s starting in the minors but he hasn’t had much success in the majors as a fill in starter to date. Is Gil still hurt? Gil would be a better option in my opinion, but it was still very strange to ship Monty out of town regardless. I wonder if they thought they had a deal for Pablo Lopez when they made this trade?
Yanks2
Cashman didn’t think Montgomery was capable of high leverage games in the playoffs and thus thought trading him would be best for someone he thought would, in fact help them in the playoffs. From what I’m gathering from the comments on Bader, he’s very fast and a great defender in CF. Judge needs rest and Hicks is useless so I’m actually on board with the trade. Montgomery was promising at first but he just gives up too many runs/hits/HR
itsmeheyhi
Gil got TJS.
higgy5220
Cole looked awesome today so we didn’t need the rotation help anyway
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yup, six earned in the first inning. An early tune-up for the postseason.
DocBB
Luis Castillo showed Cashman why he should have traded for him. His stuff wasn’t great today and his control was bad but he still nearly went 7 innings and gave up 3, 2 on a late HR when the game was over. When you can do that on your off day in Yankees stadium that shows you something.
Montas has not been good since coming off the DL throwing very few pitches. But we will see…
thegreatgoodbye
You weren’t getting Castillo unless you wanted to dump your top prospects N Marte is a top 10 MLB prospect. Volpe is Yankees highest ranked prospect and he’s 25
Ronk325
I’d love to hear which hack publication dropped Volpe to 25
thegreatgoodbye
I don’t really understand it and even agree with it but it’s according to MLB.com and teams seem to follow it during trades
Ronk325
MLB.com hasn’t updated their post draft/trade deadline rankings yet and Volpe was still in the top 10 for the last update
Gasu1
Volpe is #7 on MLB.com this very minute.
ArianaGrandSlam
No mentioning of the Andujar’s situation? He wanted to be traded badly and Yankees were also trying no? I still don’t get why they didn’t give that guy more chance over Gallo. it was obvious he was in a good shape and he himself knew that too.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I’m shocked the Yankees were able to get LA’s #15 prospect for Gallo. I thought Gallo would bring back maybe an 18-19 year old lottery ticket at best. Cashman did a great job getting so much value for him.
Captain Dunsel
Maybe someone in the Dodgers’ front office is drunk? I wouldn’t whine about it.
stroh
Gallo will right himself in LA. He’ll get back to being Dave Kingman, .200 BA, some HRs, bunches of strikeouts. Sort of like the other tall skinny guy they have in LA who’s name starts Bel…. Between then they will generate lots of breeze in Dodger stadium.
Captain Judge99
@stroh- he can grow the beard out in LA now, so the power will comeback. Gallop will hit more homers, but his average and strikeouts will remain the same, unless someone teaches him to bunt to the left side, if they do that he’ll lead the NL in doubles.
Yanks2
Bellinger was injured and hasn’t been the same. As for Gallo, he straight up isn’t a good baseball player and should be in AAA
GarryHarris
Dave Kingman’s best season he hit .288 and led the league with 131 K. He was a terrible defender. He only had one year of what you described hitting 204 with 156 k.
Dave Kingman is one of the biggest “What If” he played his entire career in the AL as a DH.
StudWinfield
Nobody.Wants.Andujar
Joe says...
Everyone said that about Gallo. I expect Cashman had too high an asking price.
Captain Judge99
@StudWinfield- not really sure why? Andy just needs to play regularly. Surprised nobody took a chance on him. The Marlins and Cubs come to mind. They could definitely use his bat in their lineups.
Yanks2
Andujar is under team control and still has upside. He’s pretty brutal at 3rd base defensively but can play LF and his offense is still decent
doctorhfuhruhirr
German is out of options, so they can’t bump him back to the minors. It’s more likely that he’s a placeholder until Clarke Schmidt is fully stretched out at AAA.
Also, the Yanks don’t have a solid, long term CF option. If they had confidence in Florial, he’d have been called up yesterday. Hicks doesn’t have the legs or dependability for full time CF anymore. Judge has been really good this season in center but isn’t the long term answer, especially if you want him playing for all of the years they’ll be signing him. So Bader makes sense in that aspect. I’d guess that Cashman didn’t go into the deadline intending to trade Monty, but what other options were out there (please don’t say Marsh)? Monty probably wasn’t going to be a huge postseason factor, so it was deemed a worthy cost.
Joe says...
IDK. If the trade went through for Lopez it would have been fine but as is, Yankees with Monty and Locastro > no Monty and Bader. And that isn’t saying Locastro is better than Bader.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Locastro is better than Bader in a walking boot.
Lars MacDonald
I think this is exactly what happened doctor.
The Monty trade came about quickly yesterday and Cashman thought it was worth the risk to get a great CF that the team really needs.
I’ve always liked Monty and this trade has risk, but Bader is the real deal.
Poster formerly known as . . .
The real deal on the IL. This might be Judge’s last season in pinstripes (if I were a betting man, I wouldn’t bet a nickel that Hal will pay to keep him). This was the time to go for it, their best chance in years to get to the World Series. Weakening the rotation with a focus on next year’s outfield made no sense.
Lars MacDonald
They expect Bader this season.
Captain Judge99
@Lars- Yeah probably a week, right before the playoffs start.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Hey Hey M’s took two out of three in the Bronx…not bad, with their two best hitters out. Now we’ll see what happens when the Yanks come into town next week for a 4 game series. They should be tight, exciting games.
Joe says...
Cole better get his act together or it’s going to be a short post season.
slider32
This is baseball, you go 10-6 and you win 100 games, or you go 6-10 and you win 60. The Nats also beat deGrom yesterday, it’s called parity!
Ronk325
It sounds like there might have been serious traction for a Pablo Lopez trade centered around Gleyber Torres. That could be something to revisit this winter. As for trading Monty, it seems a bit odd now but if they’re confident Sevy will be in the postseason rotation, I see what they’re going for. Monty was becoming a candidate to be left off entirely for the postseason and Bader can be a huge defensive upgrade in CF. It was definitely a gamble but it just might pay off
Shrutefarm
The only thing I would add is that by being short on starting pitching now (quality), it could cost them home field advantage against the Astros. It may not seem like a big deal, but it could be.
Ronk325
Home field is going to be a huge deal. I don’t think the Yankees have any chance of beating the Astros in the ALCS without it. That being said, Monty was becoming a liability and they probably thought this would be the last chance to move him for something. This could also be a chance to see if Schmidt is a rotation candidate going forward
Poster formerly known as . . .
Explain how Monty was becoming a liability with a 3.69 ERA and a 3.91 FIP.
Ronk325
ERA doesn’t tell the full story but since you bring it up, Monty’s ERA has gone up a full run since June 11th. He doesn’t give you length and has a weak K rate. Monty is a serviceable regular season SP but not a guy you want in the postseason. He won’t be a big loss going forward
Poster formerly known as . . .
Montgomery is second to Cole in innings pitched in the last two years. He was the only starter other than Cole who pitched more than 150 innings last year. Including his 4 outings of less than 5 innings, he averaged over 5 innings per start. He was third in Quality Starts % behind Cole and Severino and second in total Quality Starts. In his only postseason start, he pitched to a 2.25 ERA of 3-hit, 1-run ball through 4 innings in a win against the Rays.
You just finished admitting that home field advantage will be a big deal. With most of the rotation running up against innings limits, Cashman traded away his most durable pitcher other than Cole.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Just to clarify, this referred to this year’s performance:
“Including his 4 outings of less than 5 innings, he averaged over 5 innings per start. He was third in Quality Starts % behind Cole and Severino and second in total Quality Starts.”
Ronk325
I’m not concerned with Monty’s past. He couldn’t be trusted to make a start in the postseason this year and that’s all that matters. Assuming everyone is healthy it will be Cole, Montas, Nestor, and Sevy. I don’t know where you got this idea of innings limits because nobody has said this
Poster formerly known as . . .
“He couldn’t be trusted to make a start in the postseason this year and that’s all that matters.”
Based on what?
Ronk325
Based on the Yankees dumping him for an injured CF who they hope can contribute down the stretch
Poster formerly known as . . .
“I don’t know where you got this idea of innings limits because nobody has said this”
Pretty much everybody has said this:
“Nestor Cortes’ workload a factor in Yankees’ hunt for arms at deadline”
nypost.com/2022/07/31/nestor-cortes-workload-a-fac…
“On potential Yankees innings limits and internal options”
msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/on-potential-yankees-inni…
Poster formerly known as . . .
A. Show me a quote from anybody in the Yankee front office or from Boone expressing doubt about Montgomery’s ability to pitch in the postseason.
B. Dumping him, stupid as it was, doesn’t confirm in any way that he wasn’t able to pitch in the postseason. That’s just your assumption.
Captain Judge99
@Fink Ployed- a lot of things your saying makes sense. I trusted Monty a lot more in a big spot, more then German or Schmidt. I do feel the Yankees thought they were getting López in a package, then Miami backed out for some reason? Yankees definitely should of kept Monty lst, and then should of tried to land López. A Colossal mistake!
Ronk325
Monitoring workload and having an innings limit are two different things. Why else would they trade Monty? If it wasn’t in the plans for the postseason or next season, why not trade him for someone who can help out now?
Poster formerly known as . . .
You’re asking the right questions now. Unfortunately, the answers probably aren’t very satisfactory.
NativeAmerican
Of course he will need a rehab assignment. Show me a pitcher coming back from a 60 day stay on the IL that didn’t. Why does the author sound surprised?
allweatherfan
The author is suggesting they put him on the 60 day because he’ll need a rehab assignment otherwise it doesn’t make sense to put him on the 60.
stroh
Montas was throwing 3 mph less on average on his fastball his last start vs a month prior. Cortes and Taillon will soon be coming up to innings overload. Yanks better hope they have options. Trading Montgomery was not smart.
Captain Judge99
@stroh- I agree with the last part of what you said. Trading Monty will definitely be a disaster, especially if German and Schmidt don’t step it up now. Sevvy is still a month and a few weeks ago. He’ll probably comeback right before the playoffs.
DarkSide830
I’ll also assert the Monty trade was a mistake. That is too much to trade for a defensive replacement. Maybe a SP prospect in AA, but losing that extra arm could really hurt NYY down the line.
Yanks2
Cashman didn’t think Montgomery would be a difference maker in the playoffs and I kind of agree. Montgomery was never that good, just average and I doubt he’d go deep into a playoff game. He is not elite like Cole
Shrutefarm
Some would argue that Cole is no longer elite.
Yanks2
Cole leads the league in strikeouts
Poster formerly known as . . .
And he’s 28th in ERA among qualified starters, 16th in FIP, and 17th in fWAR.
Poster formerly known as . . .
When did Cashman say he didn’t think Montgomery would be a difference maker in the playoffs?
BTW, elite Cole shat the bed in his last postseason outing, rather like his outing today.
Yanks2
Severino has been my favorite Yankee since Jeter retired. Severino could’ve been CY Young caliber consistently if it wasn’t for always being injured. It is really sad and I feel like people overlook Severino and forget how elite he actually was. Had all the potential to be a top-5 pitcher in baseball but was derailed by injuries. The Yankees will unlikely bring him back next year. Oh well
Frankie Bani
Take Hick and Donaldson out of the team ASAP
Captain Judge99
@DarkSide830- yes truly don’t understand what Ca$hman and Hal we’re thinking, trading Monty for a 4th outfielder makes zero sense. The only thing that I can think of is that the Yankees had a trade for Pablo López for Gleyber+ and it fell thru. Smh That xtra arm in the minors could be Gomez or Vasquez, if it doesn’t work with German or Schmidt.
Dorothy_Mantooth
When healthy, Bader is a starting OF for nearly every team in MLB. Look at his 2021 full season stats. Pretty damn good for a gold glove center fielder.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Were they making trades for this year or for next year? If the latter, that was pretty stupid when they were looking at their best shot at a World Series in years.
pando8888
Do you think the last game he had when he pulled early from the game and was pissed might have had something to do with it?
Poster formerly known as . . .
If the front office traded a pitcher because he wanted to stay in a game, they’re idiots. That’s the attitude they should want.
harperhill
I thought for sure the Yanks were going to get Rodon. Can’t help but think that both Cashman and Zaidi wish that had happened now.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Cashman ought to. Rodon pitched seven innings in his last outing and averaged 96 MPH on his fastball in the seventh inning. Montas lasted five innings in his last outing and averaged 94 MPH on his fastball in the fourth inning.
Captain Judge99
The Yankees didn’t get Rodon because the Giants were requesting Peraza back. That definitely wasn’t happening. Isn’t Rodon a rental?
Poster formerly known as . . .
The Yankees have five shortstops in their Top 14 prospects. If Cashman passed on Rodon because the Giants wanted Peraza, his prospect-hugging may have cost the Yankees their best shot at a World Series, especially in conjunction with dealing away Montgomery.
Captain Judge99
Everyone is treating Alexander Vargas like a piece of chopped liver. Smh. He might be the best, out of all these shortstops. Switch hitter with speed, that can leadoff and play excellent defense. Let’s just call up Peraza now and bat him 9th. No pressure, at all. Let’s see what the damn kid can do!
Yanks4life22
Question for everyone celebrating the Montas trade with the anticipation he is a #2 on a contender…..have you seen his splits away from Oakland? This year or for his career. Screams mediocrity to me….
Rsox
Montas made sense because we knew the Yankees were trying to get another starter. Trading Montgomery for a faster Aaron Hicks when they already have Aaron Hicks was a bit of a head scratcher
billysbballz
Wrong!
billysbballz
Wrong
Yanks2
Bader has better stats than Hicks
nbresnak
Sounds like a lot of poor communication within this article and the comments within the Yankees ranks and communicating with Severino.
Severino gets put on 60 day IL and doesn’t understand it. Poor communication.
Another deal was supposed to be in place for Pablo Lopez (skepticism for sure) with poor communication, it fell through supposedly.
SP is thin indeed. Montas better be healthy after his own IL stint and Cortez’s IP reaching an all time high.
Yankees will have a 1st round bye regardless. We’ll see what happens…
formerlyz
I guarantee it was the Marlins, b/c they’re incompetent. If this was 4 years ago, that would make sense, but I know for a fact they tried to get Torres straight up for Lopez, instead of getting the type of value they should have been getting. It’s the exact type of move they continue to try to make. Nothing against Torres, obviously, but why trade Lopez with 2.5 years of control, only for a 2b with similar years of control remaining? Makes zero sense. They definitely were 1 of the teams with pieces that should interest the Marlins in a deal, but it would have been a different iteration than that…
Ultimately, I didnt want to trade Lopez anyway, and I’m glad it didnt happen b/c if it did, they guaranteed would have butchered it the way they always do
Bright Side
For those who want to get rid of Donaldson, keep this in mind. He’s a GG 3B. Moreover, who else in the organization can play the position? Hicks and Donaldson, Hicks and Donaldson, Hicks and Donaldson… I was opposed to Cashman giving a mediocre player, like Hicks, a 7 year deal from day one. That was reckless and stupid. My theory was that Cash was obsessed with finding his own “David Ortiz” and overrated Hicks. The one player who doesn’t get enough scrutiny is Gleyber Torres. He hasn’t hit in 3 years. Worse still, teams are pitching to him because they don’t respect him. He’s batting .257 with a .312 OPB. If he were a good hitter, he’s be punishing these pitchers. His RISP OPS is .557. In 2019 he was jacking juiced baseballs out of the park. Like Gerrit Cole’s Spider Tack seasons, those days are over. Torres needs to go as much as Hicks.
Poster formerly known as . . .
DJ can play third base and play it very well. Frankly, he’s been much better at it this year than I expected.
Torres’s SLG is third among qualified second basemen. His wRC+ is 10th and he’s 8th in OPS. His wRC+ is better than Stanton’s and he doesn’t strike out nearly as much. And if pitchers are pitching to him, that’s good.
That’s not to say I want to lose Donaldson or hang onto Gleyber into the distant future. For the time being though, I don’t think either of them is killing the team.
Hicks is just frustrating. He looks for a week or two like he’s finally finding it, and then he turns back into a pumpkin. His contract is indefensible.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Fink, if you haven’t watched it, check out Cole’s post-game interview on YesNetwork/Youtube trying to psycho-analyze his outing against the Mariners. 10-minutes of soul-searching and second-guessing and mind tripping…I found it interesting on various levels…
Poster formerly known as . . .
It was interesting. I give him credit for really trying to answer the questions under the circumstances instead of resorting to the usual jockspeak cliches or just clamming up and saying “I dunno.” Those reporters should love all the material he gives them.
rocky7
Torres’ is not a clutch player and too many times gets his .$. 10 head exposed with dumb plays in the field…..he is a terrible pinch hitter, doesn’t run the bases exceptionally well and has little speed there also….. to say he doesn’t strike out as much as Stanton is not enough to ignore he strikes out a lot and in clutch situations…….and you can site analytics all you want, offensively, he’s getting pitched too in clutch situations with no success too many times to ignore…..he’s just not the second coming of Cano and is exactly what his average says he is……..a max .265 hitter with average defensive skills.
Hicks…..well, he’s golfer who is playing baseball with his .230 career average and his defense can no longer make up for playing him when he’s healthy (which has always been a concern).
Donaldson isn’t the offensive player he was in the past….defensively he’s better than average but has his moments too…..the Yankees need to find a way to move on in the off season…..
Finally, enough with the Lopez commentary…the Yankees didn’t get a trade done and the Marlins obviously didn’t covet Torres and Cash didn’t sweeten the pot enough to make that happen….lets get over it already and move on.
formerlyz
Lol yankee fans are I credibly spoiled…Torres has like a 120+ ops+…dude has been 20% above average and people acting like he is garbage…
markhughw
Stretch out Clark Schmidt into a starter (he’s earned it) and bring back Seve slowly as a reliever.
Hotstovemelts
I hate to say it but I see Montas being a huge bust. I really thought the Yanks should have traded for Rodon. ‘If Cole and Rodon pitch to their capabilities’ they are as scary as any 1-2 outside of the 1-2 in Queens for a playoff push. If Montas doesnt go down with a shoulder issue, I just have a horrible feeling he is going to get shelled at Yankee stadium. The Monty trade is the worst trade I can remember. No disrespect to Bader, just wtf? You dont trade a consistent/solid starting LHP for a hurt outfielder. Especially right after you trade away most of your major league ready pitching prospects.
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Benintendi’s line so far as a Yankee. Read it and weep:
.050/.310/.050/.360
He’d better pick it up, and quickly. Otherwise, bring up Florial, a center fielder who’s raking in AAA and doesn’t have his foot in a walking boot and who’ll cost nothing.
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Saturday’s game is must-see TV if you’re a Yankee fan: 6.39 ERA German vs. 3.69 ERA Montgomery (I like Monty’s arrangement of the three numbers better).
Today’s game includes the drama of Carpenter’s return to Busch Stadium, in pinstripes. I expect that the classy Cardinals fans will give him a nice reception.
Hotstovemelts
Damn! I hate that we have to face Monty that quickly. I really respect his gamer mentality and sure wish he was still a Yankee… while Bader gimps around in a walking boot. Wtf!!