The Rangers are dismissing longtime president of baseball operations Jon Daniels, Ken Rosenthal and Levi Weaver of The Athletic report (via Twitter). Texas announced the move shortly thereafter, adding that general manager Chris Young will now oversee all baseball operations decisions and processes. The move comes just days after the organization fired manager Chris Woodward.
“This morning I informed Jon Daniels that his contract would not be renewed at the end of the season and that he is being relieved of his duties effective immediately,” managing partner Ray Davis said in a press release announcing the move. “Jon’s accomplishments in his 17 years running our baseball operations department have been numerous. He and his staff put together the best teams in this franchise’s history that resulted in five playoff appearances and two American League pennants between 2010 and 2016. His impact on the growth of our player development, scouting, and analytics groups has been immense. Jon has always had the best interests of the Rangers organization in mind on and off the field and in the community.
“But the bottom line is we have not had a winning record since 2016 and for much of that time, have not been competitive in the A.L. West Division. While I am certain we are heading in the right direction, I feel a change in leadership of the baseball operations department will be beneficial going forward.”
Daniels had been atop the Rangers’ baseball operations hierarchy since way back in 2005, when at just 28 years of age he became the sport’s youngest general manager. Prior to today’s ousting, he was the sport’s third-longest-tenured baseball ops leader, trailing only Athletics executive vice president Billy Beane and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman.
As Davis alluded to, Daniels oversaw some of the finest years in Rangers franchise history, including a pair of back-to-back World Series appearances in 2010-11. Those teams thrived in no small part due to savvy trades made by Daniels. His blockbuster deal sending Mark Teixeira to the Braves (in exchange for shortstop Elvis Andrus, 2010 AL Rookie of the Year Neftali Feliz, catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and lefty Matt Harrison) and Daniels’ acquisitions of Josh Hamilton (from the Reds in exchange for Edinson Volquez) and Nelson Cruz (from the Brewers for Carlos Lee) helped set the stage for those halcyon days in Arlington.
The success carried into the mid-2010s, as Texas won the AL West and enjoyed a 97-win season back in 2016. That came on the heels of some other high-profile moves — e.g. signing Yu Darvish and Adrian Beltre, acquiring Cole Hamels — which led to multiple contract extensions for Daniels over the years. Since that time, however, ill-fated signings have begun to mount while what should have been pivotal trades have failed to bear fruit.
The 2014 signing of Shin-Soo Choo to a seven-year, $131MM contract ultimately proved to be a misstep, for instance, and shorter-term deals for veterans like Andrew Cashner and Carlos Gomez also came up empty. Texas’ 2016 acquisition of Jonathan Lucroy went south in 2017, and the Rangers ultimately received little to no value in trades of production veterans such as Yu Darvish and Mike Minor, which further set the farm system back. Meanwhile, homegrown talents projected for stardom never achieved those ceilings; Nomar Mazara, Martin Perez, Leody Taveras, Hans Crouse, Willie Calhoun (acquired for Darvish) and Chi Chi Gonzalez are among the many former Top-100 Rangers prospects who never really developed into impact players (though Perez’s 2022 breakout has at least finally changed the narrative on him to an extent).
That difficulty regarding player development wasn’t unique to the organization’s very best prospects, either. Rather, Texas’ ability to develop big leaguers through the draft has simply stalled out in recent years. Incredibly, not one member of the Rangers’ 2018-21 draft classes has reached the Majors yet. Dating back to 2016, right-hander Joe Barlow is the only player drafted by the Rangers to produce even 1.0 wins above replacement in the Majors.
Certainly, that doesn’t all fall solely on Daniels’ shoulders. The Rangers have had scouts, analysts and dozens of other executives contributing to those collaborative processes throughout that dry period, but as general manager (and eventually president of baseball operations), Daniels was the final call both on baseball operations decisions, on filling out the scouting and player development ranks, etc.
Speaking of general managers — those duties will now all fall to Young, the 43-year-old former big league pitcher who has rapidly ascended into the game’s executive ranks following the conclusion of a 13-year Major League career. A Princeton product, Young was always touted as one of the sport’s brightest baseball minds, even during his playing days. He broke into executive work not with a team but working in Major League Baseball’s offices, where he served as the league’s senior vice president of on-field operations, initiatives and strategy.
Young was tabbed as the new Rangers’ general manager in somewhat out-of-the-blue fashion in Dec. 2020. It was his first post working in a Major League front office, but the Rangers weren’t the only club with interest. The Mets, in owner Steve Cohen’s first offseason at the wheel of the team, had interest in interviewing Young for their own GM vacancy. He interviewed for the post but withdrew his name from consideration, citing the fact that he did not want to move his family from Dallas to New York as the key factor in that decision. A week later, the Rangers announced his hiring.
Young may not have the typical resume most up-and-coming executives bring to the table, but he’s spent the past two years learning under Daniels — who, for all the Rangers’ recent struggles, remains one of the game’s most widely respected executives. That experience will prove vital as Young now sets forth to execute his own vision for the franchise.
Daniels, meanwhile, would surely be a welcome addition to countless baseball ops departments around the game, though it’s not yet clear whether he’ll immediately pursue another position or whether he’ll step back and take some time with his family after a near two-decade grind leading the Rangers. He’s been tied to his hometown Mets in the past, and there will be at least one GM vacancy this offseason now that the Tigers have fired Al Avila. Time will tell, but Daniels should have little trouble finding a new role if he’s so inclined — though for the time being, it may not be running his own department.
joseselmer
Not a Rangers fan but Yessss about time!
rememberthecoop
Why do you say that? I thought it was a bold move to spend some real money last off-season. They were just the victim of unrealistic expectations. Unless they sold it to ownership as a move that would get them into immediate contention; in which case then the firing was deserved.
For Love of the Game
“Victim of unrealistic expectations?” Those are the expectations they created by giving huge contracts to win-now talent like Corey Seager and Marcus Semien.
chiefnocahoma1
Win now? They both got long term deals. Teams sign stars years ahead of their window all the time.
iverbure
Bad teams sign stars ahead of time all the time. Long term free agent signings hardly ever work out ever, signing them ahead of your window never makes sense. It’s not debatable and for the one example you can think of there’s 20 that didn’t so your better off not.
rememberthecoop
But read my post please. Nobody outside of the most optimistic Rangers fans thought they would contend in 2022. Signing two middle infielders is not enough and anybody with a brain understands that.
bullred
News Flash ! Ownership doesn’t have a brain. It’s very hard to go from 60 wins to 90 wins when you add 2 players expected to give you 10 War combined . Texas is right around where I thought they would be. They had a slow start but are getting better. They should end the year just under .500 but have a great base to work from. Get some pitching and your closing in on 90 wins.
padnastikador
If Jon Daniels hadn’t completely run the Rangers organization into the ground over the prior five seasons, maybe the big free agent signings would have allowed them to contend in 2022. His dismissal was due to the fact he has been poor at his job for 6 years now, not just in 2022.
Anybody with a brain understands that.
Wadz
Maybe.. ya know.. because the last decade of his tenure as lead decisionmaker has been horrendous?
trog
Agreed. Regarding this season, a lot of the on field management has been bizarre. I don’t know if that is Woodward … or JD giving him directives. (Ex: play Culberson and Miller regularly when they have no business being on the team. Stretching relievers out to 2 inning stints every outing, which leaves the pen in a constant state of flux and without having consistent defined roles. Random juggling of the lineups. I expected to see a very different approach when Beasley came on, but the early lineup and pen set ups looked remarkably the same, which makes me think the orders are coming from above.)
Redfish Time
Great observation. I had not thought of that. Woody may have well been a JD puppet. That door is slammed shut now.
rememberthecoop
I get it. I’m just surprised at the timing. The owners must have thought that because they spent half a billion that the team should have won this year. And maybe that’s how Daniel’s sold it to them and if so, he deserved to be fired. But as a friend of his, I know thats not the case. What, did he gets stupid all of a sudden?
stymeedone
Hard to have defined roles when the starters are unreliable and you have to fill the innings with whoever is able to throw that day.
flamingbagofpoop
No, he’s just failed to produce positive results for half a decade. You don’t necessarily need to be a winning team, but you do need to have some things you can point to that show you’re going in the right direction…I’m not sure they’ve done that.
kcmark
The reason Culbertson and Miller are playing is because Texas has no prospects ready for the show.
thecoffinnail
Daniels has been very lucky to have been surround by some very strong talent. Kinda like the other starters in that 90’s Braves rotation. Since Ryan left in 2013 his free agent signings have sucked, and the playoffs have been out of his reach. Since Preller left his drafting has been far worse than anyone else’s. Even the Angels draft better. Daniels has been lucky to have such a long career at the top of a front office. It’s time to retire or find another Ryan to latch onto.
TheRealMilo
Do you work for the Rockies?
GarryHarris
No base to add free agents to.
kscheer
They’re 5-24 in one run games. If they were even .500 they’d be in a wildcard spot.
TheRealMilo
They’re 26-43 against winning teams. They are 21st in MLB in team ERA. They are 15th in MB in runs scored. They are 21st in fielding %. Bad teams like that find ways to lose. especially one run games
kscheer
they’re also the reason the mariners and O’s are winning teams haha
flamingbagofpoop
Bold doesn’t mean good.
rondon
Bold doesn’t necessarily mean bad either.. If things had gone better, (and who can ever really predict that?), fans would be calling him a genius..
flamingbagofpoop
If the bad things weren’t bad, they’d be good!
Who can predict that? Projection systems. They did.
bullred
Your right! No need to recycle Gm’s just because chips don’t fall where you thought they were going to fall . Owners thought he was a genius a few years ago. He is the same GM only smarter and more experienced.
Paul Kersey
Bold yes, smart no. Investing that much in those two hitters did not appear wise at the time and still does not.
rememberthecoop
Funny, someone asked if Daniels was in trouble in a chat yesterday I believe it was. (the answer was no)
positively_broad_st
Daniels reputation is as a micro-manager. Probably time to change the culture, ease up, let people use their talents rather than having an executive helicopter hovering over every shoulder. Spending a half of a billion on two guys that don’t put butts in seats and barely move the needle on the win total didn’t help in justifying Daniels keeping his job. I’d like to see what Chris Young can do on his own, or at least with more weight in his views. Daniels is a very smart guy, but he should take a break and take that time to evaluate himself honestly. If he can improve on his weaknesses he could be a great executive, but he has to make adjustments in his own approach first…
paddyo furnichuh
Of Young’s future moves, one of the less prominent moves in the next few years will likely include bringing in recently retired Kersh (his old offseason workout buddy) in some pitching advisory role.
Samuel
positively_broad_st;
Yes, another Preller-type.
I believe this is the 3rd rebuild they did in the last 10 years or so. The other 2 went in circles (they and the Rockies are alike). I’ve never heard of a successful rebuild where you start by giving long-term contracts to older veterans with holes in their game, to mesh with guys that won’t even be in the majors for a year or two……because once they get there it’s another year or two until they debug their games to play at the ML level…..and even if that works out by that time the veterans will be getting injured a lot and going downhill.
To me the Rangers and Rockies are similar (and to some degree the Padres) – just going in circles.
Here’s a tidbit for you about the Rangers…..
They don’t believe in their pitchers holding runners on base. Their primary Catcher is Jonah Heim. He’s thrown out 8 of 54 base stealers. Not his fault. I can’t easily find the stats for the other Rangers Catchers, but they’re just as bad. I don’t think that organization has a clue how to win games (which starts by not beating yourselves).
rememberthecoop
Young isn’t ready to lead an organization, trust me. A very bright mind for sure, but Jon is extremely bright himself so that alone doesn’t make one ready. I haven’t talked to Jon yet so I won’t speculate further.
TheRealMilo
What part of his bright baseball mind got the Rangers to an 11 year postseason series win drought? Was not developing a frontline pitcher in his entire 17 year tenure part of his genius? How many consecutive losing seasons was he striving for before he got canned?
stymeedone
Young won’t have to run the organization, once they bring Avila on board.
DodgerOK
Of course, he isn’t going to say yes. It would make headlines. I’m sure he saw it coming.
Francys01
Good decision by the Rangers. I like Jon Daniels, but the change was necessary a long time ago. The team has not been the same since Ron Washington left the organization. He was a great manager. Hopefully, the Rangers can bring the right people for the team can be good again.
joseselmer
Not a Rangers fan but y about time!
boltonbrutality
Wow!!!
mlb9229
Wow is right…2 days after firing Woodward, the person who fired Woodward gets fired…
dirkg
FWIW, Woodward was more of a “firing” considering he was signed through 2023 and had a club option for 2024.
JD’s contract was up this year and when you have a baseball mind like Chris Young waiting in the wings, you’re not going to resign JD.
Jon Daniels will find work. Immediately. And I’m not a Rangers fan.
ButchAdams
In all fairness, if ur gonna fire a manager for onfield performance, it kinda makes sense to look at the guy that assembled the team. I’ve kinda been a jd apologist for years. Defending that he did best he could with resources given to him by ownership. But lack of prospect development has become overwhelming, spending money this past off-season was premature and poorly spent. and it was just time for a change
bullred
No! Rangers got two generational talents signed to long term contracts. Last off-season was the time to sign them as they don’t become available very often. MLB changed the baseball this year in hopes of messing with offence which it has worked very well for them. Some players have adapted well and some haven’t. The half a billion duo struggled at first but have picked it up lately to the point that they should both recover their season somewhat. ( 4 to 5 War) They will both age well so should both perform well for the next 3 to 4 years. It’s not about this year at all. Period! Owners are the problem here in my opinion. Stand behind your guy even when it gets a little rough. You approved the purchase in the first place.
padnastikador
Did you just call Marcus Semien a generational talent? And you believe 6 consecutive losing seasons is “when it gets a little rough”?
Jon Daniels, Is that you?
DoritosLocosTaco
I literally sad “yikes” out loud when I read bullred’s comment about Marcus Semien as a generational talent.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
You mean a guy on the wrong side of 30 (Semien) and a guy who spent 25% of his career on the DL (Seager) in what probably is your most agile, flexible, and strong years (23-28) and both deals are for far too long at too high a dollar figure?!
Semien should’ve been signed for $125M over 5 years or maybe $140M over 6 years at the most. But kicking it up to $175M over 7 years means over 50% of the money and the years fall into performance regression years. I’m aware of Nelson Cruz, David Ortiz, and “moment of silence” for the best DH in history “Edgar” (no last name needed). Those guys performing in their late 30s is not normal. That’s why two out of three are in the HOF and had the other (Cruz) been able to hit his way out of a wet paper bag in his 20s, would also be going to Cooperstown.
Semien is already 2/3 of the way to retiring and 1/2 way statistically to Cooperstown. Now I’m a betting man and I wouldn’t take 20 to 1 odds on Semien putting up another 30 WAR in his 30s and being voted into the HOF, so generational talent he is not. What he is, would be the most overpaid player besides Kris Bryant in the 2022 offseason. Unless! Corey Seager or Javier Baez out suck him going forward.
The math is basically, you’ve got to bee to 40 WAR by your 30th birthday to have a real chance at immortality. I’m not saying it’s required, but that’s typically been the case since the expansion era began. Edgar won two AAA batting titles because the Mariners saw Jim Presley as their 3B of the future, which is why his career was delayed until his late 20s, Ortiz put up 21.5 bWAR or 45% of his total WAR after turning 35 years old.
As for Seager, I’m not trying to knit-pick, but would you rather Harper for $330M over 13 years beginning at 26 years old, Manny Machado for $300M over 10 years beginning at 26 years old, or Corey Seager for $325M over 10 years beginning at 27 years old. Let’s look at career WAR at time of signing…
Harper: 27.4
Machado: 23.7
Seager: 21.3
When you consider income tax, Seager’s deal is probably worth closer to $350M and Semien’s deal is closer to $200M compared with Machado. I think every GM who didn’t present an offer to Machado and Harper in their free agency should automatically have their competency checked. If ever there were two guys worth buying in on for long term deals it would by Harper and Machado based on age and success to date. I don’t see Soto re-signing with the Padres and that could be the next generation free agent worth signing to a $300M+ deal.
Only generational talents should get those deals and not guys who spend 25% of their career injured. To drive home my point, if Seager stays injured through his career at the same rate, he’ll have to average 5 WAR in 120 games each year for 10 straight years. That’s a huge ask of most players, but really difficult for a guy who will be playing a corner in two years of less. Which is going to destroy the pipeline for the Rangers or force Corey and Semien to try fielding positions down the road that they lack the range to be successful playing.
So figuring Seager is going to move to 3B by 30, Josh Jung the Rangers top prospect will then have to move to 1B to make room because he’s already at 24, too slow to play the outfield. The 5th prospect for the Rangers Justin Foscue is exciting, but now he’s blocked at 2B by Semien, so do you put extra pressure on his 10-15 HR bat in LF and hope he becomes Alex Gordon? I guess if he’s that good defensively, who cares about the 5 of 18 top Rangers prospects being outfielders.
All we know is his arm can’t play SS or 3B and Lowe, Jung, and Huff will already be fighting over at bats at DH and 1B. To put even more pressure on the pipeline, the only player left in the top 18 by MLB who isn’t a pitcher or an outfielder is Luisangel Acuna (Ronald’s little brother) who will be pushing Seager off SS in the next two or three years, so it’s not a matter of “if” this happens, but “when” it will happen. For the pitchers, Leiter has major control issues that you wouldn’t expect based on his dad, his college, his draft position, draft bonus, and overall prospect helium.
The whole of the system is outfielders, unless they are generational (hey, Julio, what’s up?) prospects, they are thrown away normally because converting a crappy infielder means going to the outfield, ask the starting Rainiers outfield of Lewis, Kelenic, and Trammell all were top 50 prospects in baseball and are relegated to AAA because of Frazier, Moore, and Haggerty, all infielders moved to the outfield. The pitchers either haven’t thrown a pitch in professional baseball yet, have control issues, have already stumbled in their attempt to adjust to the majors, or are too far away to trust the results yet. The only thing left is 2B Foscue, 3B Jung, and SS Acuna, Two of those three are blocked meaning the signings of both Semien and Seager were pointless wastes of money unless they become perennial all-stars.
bullred
Maybe generational is a stretch. Lol But both players are way above average. Marcus Semien has turned himself into a yearly MVP candidate so yes he is very good as well. The money in free agency is too much and the term is usually too long but teams keep on out bidding each other so whats the player to do. They have earned it. And yes its John Daniels!
bullred
I wouldn’t have signed Seager for that much. Gross over pay. Same for Semien. They are both great players. (not generational , ( I might have been heavily lubricated when I said that) I was thinking the same 5 years 125 Mil on Semien. But its free agency so pony up or lose them to someone who will. I still think it was a good play for Daniels to sign them when they are available thinking that he can build a team around them ( you’ve got your keystone combination) Now another GM will build off of what Daniels wavels was able bring to the team.
bullred
And I’m changing my name to John. who calls their kid Jon! Lol!
TheRealMilo
Please name a current successful baseball franchise that has FA spent their way to success as a sole strategy. Daniels was fired because he was absolutely terrible at producing talent from within. If a baseball franchise can’t produce talent through the draft and international signings, they are DOA. Daniels failed miserably at this aspect for 17 years. That’s why he was fired, that’s why the Rangers haven’t won a playoff series in 11 seasons and that’s why the Rangers have 6 straight losing seasons.
gtownfan
6 years too late
positively_broad_st
Top move of the year…
cmulla
he needed to go about four or five years ago…
Hired Gun 23
Let the turnaround begin…
28rings
that’s what happens when you sign TWO shortstops to HUGE contracts
all in the suit that you wear
Also Jack Leiter struggling in AA. What is the story with Leiter, Ranger fans?
TheRealMilo
He had no business starting the year in AA. By scouting accounts, his delivery is out of whack, his control is nowhere to be found and his fastball is getting tagged. He’s not a bust – but expecting him to be a contributor to a successful rotation before mid to late 2024 seems unrealistic. He should start ’23 back at AA and earn his way up to AAA at some point.
SportsFan0000
Cupboard was bare. They were rushing some of their young pitching which is backfiring.
Young, a former pitcher, will manage the pitching talent better.
User 1104686089
Walking too many people. he has had a nice start or two in a row lately though.
ButchAdams
To me Cole Winn is bigger concern. Leiters a 1 yr pro. But Winn is rule 5 eligible this off-season and has regressed terribly
TheRealMilo
I agree on Winn. I feel like he needs to be added to the 40 man roster because of ’21 in Frisco and because of the lack of other good candidates – but, the regression is shocking.
There had been a few scouts on Baseball America talking about how his delivery suffered after getting nailed in the ankle by a line drive in May. It is bizarre they let him pitch through it – and it looks like his delivery never straightened itself out. It could also be that ’21 was an outlier for Winn. ’21 has been the only year here he’s averaged under 5 BB per 9. I believe he now sits as Texas’ #13 ranked prospect in the system.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
He can’t control the zone and it’s hard to project professional success for guys who throw hard because metal bats, wild swingers who’ll never be drafted, inconsistent umpires in college, and in his case probably got the star treatment on his strike zone for having a known father and playing at an elite program. Bottomline, Leiter is Mark Appel if he doesn’t turn a corner soon. But on the bright side, Matt Moore can tell him how to go from being a top starting prospect to middle reliever!
Samuel
28rings;
I always say that Scott Boras’ greatest asset with his top clients is to find the most desperate Owner/FO. They’ll pay anything. Other agents have learned from him.
For a year going into last off season there was remarkable hype about the available SS’s being the best something in history. Carlos Garcia was at the top of the lists – he wanted Lindor / Tatis money and length. No one was going to do that with a guy that has a history of missing so many games due to multiple injuries. Next came Seager and Semien. Nice hitting SS’s, not so much in the range department. The Rangers were desperate. They went shopping for a SS and bought 2. That left the desperate Tigers. They overpaid Javier Baez, a guy with as many holes in his approach to his profession as with his game on the field.
What have we learned? Well……
The front office heads of the Tigers and now Rangers got fired.
Do NOT buy the hype. The smart FO’s build from within, and constantly coach up their players. Once in a while you go FA to fill a spot…and you pay a fair salary that fits your budget, no more. MLB is not rotisserie league baseball.
all in the suit that you wear
“The smart FO’s build from within, and constantly coach up their players. Once in a while you go FA to fill a spot…and you pay a fair salary that fits your budget, no more.”
Agree. That’s the approach Chaim Bloom appears to be taking in Boston, but it looks like a lot of the fan base doesn’t get it.
Sherm623
Who is Carlos Garcia?
CALgoldenBears
Problem is the owners and fans start getting impatient with “the process.”
rememberthecoop
No that’s not why. OK, I’m sorry, I said I wouldn’t speculate but trust me when I tell you how clueless the ownership group is. Jon will be just fine.
Yep it is
Wow the worst GM in all of baseball. Moore is next
For Love of the Game
And he held that “distinction” for such a short time between the firing of Al Avila and today.
SportsFan0000
I agree that it was the right time for a change in Detroit.
However, in fairness to Al Avila, Avila was Dave Dombrowski’s right hand man.
He helped build the Tigers into 2X AL Champions.
Avila’s 2005 to 2014 period, as Dave Dombrowki’s top lieutenant,
was among the most successful runs of contention in Detroit Tigers history.
Avila signed Miguel Cabrera and others as Dombrowki’s right hand man in Miami. Avila helped acquire Cabrera, JD Martinez (was a neighbor growing up in Florida) and many other key players.
So yes time ran out on Al Avila in Detroit with bad luck in trades, drafts and free agent signings. Many of Al Avila’s moves/signings that went sour were touted as quality signings by baseball experts Front office types, scouts and commentators.
Whoever the Tigers hire to take over for Al Avila will be joining a club
that, when, healthy, was already showing it was on the cusp of contention in 2021. And, the Tigers do have some impactful minor league talent signed, drafted, acquired by Avila that will make Avila look much better in the years to come especially when the Tigers pitching staff gets healthy…
aragon
Perry Minasian says hello!
HalosHeavenJJ
I love it when people act like Arte isn’t the real GM.
I mean, he has a GM. He gives the GM an ample budget. Then Arte goes out and signs guys like Pujols, Hamilton, and Rendon to basically blow the budget.
aragon
Arte’s GMs have had many faults of their own. Of course, that’s why they are hired by Arte.
amk1920
Perry had had plenty of freedom. Going into the season with no SS is inexcusable
SportsFan0000
Angels GM Arte Moreno is a lot like former Tigers owner Mike Illitch.
Illitch gave Dave Dombrowski a budget. Then, he gave Scott Boras his cell phone number lol! I can’t blame Boras. Boras was just doing his job, making deals and calling Mike Illitch at all hours of the day and night to land more and more of his pricey, veteran clients onto the Tigers.
Dombrowski was constantly being blindsided by monster contract deals on players Dombrowski had no intention of signing like Prince Fielder and many others. How many DHs can one team play at the same time?!
The Tigers were cornering the market on huge DHs that were marginal on Defense at that time.
Then, some Tigers fans who did not know the inside joke of Mike Illitch and Scott Boras making lots of side deals that blew huge holes in the baseball budget and prevented Dombrowski from building a World Series winning bullpen. Those fans who did not know those facts would blame Dombrowski.
It was Mike Illitch who gave Dombrowski his budget. And it was Mike Illitch who consistently raided that budget for players he thought would be cool to have around etc….lol
I am surprised that Dombrowski put up with that for so long…
HalosHeavenJJ
Great comparison. Typically Arte and Boras butted heads but they’ve come together lately.
It was Arte who flew out and had dinner with Pujols. Arte who took Hamilton out to dinner. Arter who told Boras that while they were discussing Cole it was Rendon he really wanted.
Very similar.
ASapsFables
Wow! I wouldn’t mind seeing Jon Daniels as the next White Sox front office executive if the team stumbles down the stretch or in the postseason. Theo Epstein would be another.
cwsOverhaul
No thanks to either with respect. Many aspiring execs from organizations that lapped the Rangers and Cubs over past several years would be better candidates. Agree wholeheartedly however WSox need a FO overhaul with fresh eyes/philosophies on how to draft and develop teams that play good fundamental baseball with complementary players that fit.
User 163535993
Totally true. The White Sox have enough problems and Hahn is not the big problem. Reinsdorf and Williams are. And La Russa by way of Reinsdorf.
SportsFan0000
Experienced GMs who want autonomy and not constant interference
will not fit with the White Sox, Red Sox, Angels etc.
The Red Sox burn thru a lot of high quality GMs.
Why?!
Ownership and Club president have a history of interfering and not
giving them autonomy to make the decisions that need to be made etc..
Dogbone
White Sox don’t need someone like Daniels. The answer is already in-house. Reinsdorf should just make LaRussa his GM.
Tony can do BOTH jobs. He’s a sharp guy.
refereemn77
Hahahaha
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
No, the White Sox need someone from either the Dodgers or Orioles organizations, because they need to improve their farm system and especially their drafting. They don’t need a guy from the Rangers, who haven’t developed squat in the last decade.
TheStevilEmpire1
I mean is anybody surprised?
flamingbagofpoop
Honestly, yes. Not because he didn’t deserve it, I just didn’t think they’d move on.
TheStevilEmpire1
Fair enough. I can’t say I was expecting this move to happen right now either. I thought they might give him another season.
vaderzim
I’m guessing Daniels’ ultimatum was 1 more year to field a competitive team, hence the big offseason. All bets were off with the team “underachieving” this year. His & Woodward’s firings are changes that were long overdue, but I still think this team can have a window in a few years.
Inside Out
He won’t be unemployed for long. Here he comes Detroit.
slugger82685
FINALLY!!!!!!
SportsFan0000
No chance that Detroit takes him,
He has similar problems that they just let Al Avila go about.
In nurse follars
It’s a performance measured job and he did not perform well enough, fair or not.
ButchAdams
WOW. Did not expect that. Need to overhaul scouting and development department, next.
mickeystix69
No one has been competitive in the AL west lately because of the astros. It sucks. Their division dominance has completely overshadowed trout’s legacy, unfortunately. it sucks to be a team in the AL west
Jon M
Angels did that to themselves
dirkg
Gotta be honest, I refresh this site at least twice a day hoping to read, “Angels release Arte Moreno.”
MuleorAstroMule
I think any team in the AL East would kill to be in the AL West. The only team you can count on to be bad is the Orioles and somehow they’ve even evolved under the constant pressure.
Tacoshells
LOL guess those mega deals for Seager and Siemen didn’t go over too well with everyone else
knolln
there’s literally no home grown rangers. and there’s 20 of them playing for the astros averaging 5 war a year and getting paid 500k. this is the best rangers group to come up in 20 years, and im a little sad JD didn’t get to revel in it, this group, timed with a good ‘buy’ last offseason and another in the wings is a really good strategy. but it’s been a really long time my guy.
vtadave
Taveras and Perez die?
Also, who are these 20?
knolln
I’m not sure who Perez is. And let’s start with the Houstons 2-5, ignoring tucker and Alvarez
coupofthecentury
Altuve, Alvarez, Bregman, Pena, Tucker, Framber, Javier are 7 homegrown that will get between 3-6 WAR each. Not 20, but you get the pic.
knolln
framber, chritan, luis, and javier. not many rotations with 2 starters for 2-5 capabilities. but yes you seem to have sorted it out. you can delve into the lineup, thats icing, i’ll leave you to it
knolln
can include quidy. if you want, or not. is there a point you’re disputing here? they’re worth way more than the rangers 25 man roster, as a ranger fan
TheRealMilo
Counting Martin Perez has a homegrown talent is humorous. That guy bombed out of like 4 organizations before coming back as a dumpster dive project by JD.
fathead0507
Perez was signed and reached the majors for multiple years with Texas.. then bounced around .. he’s homegrown .. leaving as a free agent and coming back doesn’t take that away..
flamingbagofpoop
It is not a good strategy because you are wasting the prime years of your free agent signings on non-competitive teams. And what group?
UWPSUPERFAN77
Good luck! long tenure, not many results lately!
Breezy
Hat tip to JD, but it was time for a change. He orchestrated some of the best years in Ranger history.
rolandveras
I AM SO HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME TO CELEBRATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MyCommentIsBetter
As I stated yesterday, Rangers are dead and have been before this season even started
knolln
someone asked you? i’ll go out on a limb and say….doubtful
MyCommentIsBetter
And someone asked you to comment? I’ll go out on a limb and say…. doubtful. Also, learn how to use capital letters. They typically start a sentence with a capital letter in American English.
knolln
Expand Upon Rangers Are Dead Then. I Don’t Know Who To Or Why You’re Commenting In The Offseason To A Question That Was Never Posed?
flamingbagofpoop
Long term commitments already underperforming, ~-5 pitching, few established young players and play in a division with the Astros and Sea, who look to be further ahead than them.
MyCommentIsBetter
Overpaid 3 guys, not much pitching, not really much in the farm.
allweatherfan
Sounds like the only people who thought the Rangers would be competitive this year is the ownership. 2 big signings don’t make a winning team.
ButchAdams
Poor signings at that.
Camden453
Pretty unfair firings. They deserved at least another year or two (at least) to see if the prospects get better and the team starts to gel
To blow it up now is totally irrational, and makes it worse, since all the current personnel is now from the old POBO
From what I see they have a pretty deep prospect core built up that’s not supposed to make them “better” until 2023 at the earliest
It’s not like they’ve been *that* bad this year. They were near .500 for a lot of the season
Big whiffa
Hey buddy. This is a message board. Take your rational thought and shove it lol.
Seriously though, I agree 100%. Everything I see and read and study on about the rangers is that they are on the right track and ready to spend. There farm is fantastic too – they woulda got soto if the padres weren’t insane about winning now. Immature firing
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Two potential counterpoints:
1) Daniels’ contract was up. Would he expect another 4-5 years and a commensurate increase in compensation? Better to let him loose now and give him a chance to land somewhere else.
2) They have a brand new stadium to fill. Even if it’s change for change sake, they need to sell tickets.
ButchAdams
2 words in ur post are key were and near. I would’ve given Woodward another year. But, Daniel’s built this team, and when they blew it all up to start from scratch in 17 or whenever it was, 2020 was the year we were gonna be competitive again. We’re 2 yrs past that. And there’s a big problem somewhere with the prospects Daniel’s has signed, drafted, or traded for. Just look at the list… profar, mazara, gallo, Brinson, nick Williams, Justin Thompson, Chris Davis, and list goes on in on of guys they either valued to high when acquiring or fail to develop
TheRealMilo
Good riddance. Best of of luck to CY. I am hoping he gets to send many more of JD’s boys packing and build the organization as he wants it.
JimmyForum
What a mess of an organization. It’s really not worth my time to comment any further.
dopt
They make awful decisions. About time
benhen77
Understand why he got a long leash, given how many great moves he made over the years, but this has been due for a while. Guessing he resurfaces somewhere in the next couple years.
dugmet
Mets have long been known to be interested in David Stearns of the Brewers as a candidate for team president. I wonder if they would be interested Jon Daniels?
Tiger_diesel92
Now if only Hal can do it to Cashman and Boone
YankeeFan91
What’s wrong with Boone? Is it his fault that key hitters are out?
dz012574
Hal Steinbrenner, your turn…
Camden453
The bottom line is it takes 4 to 6 years to draft a prospect and get that prospect to the majors
But then it takes another 2 to 3 years to develop those prospects at the major league level
So it takes anywhere from 6 to 9 years to establish multiple productive major leaguers
To expect a POBO to start from scratch and get better after only the 5th year is very irrational
iH8PaperStraws
That doesn’t hold true anymore. It’s a young players game now.
TheRealMilo
None of this is true. Also, JD had 17 years – who did he develop in that time? Gallo? Name a front line pitcher that had been developed under the incompetent JD regime? None. in 17 years.
flamingbagofpoop
At least you’re consistent with your garbage takes.
ButchAdams
His list of failures is long… gallo, mazara, profar, Chris Davis, Mike olt, Lewis Brinson, nick Williams, Derek Holland, all were supposed to be top prospect cornerstone guys in his tenure he’ll go back as far as Danks, diamond, and volquez. So he either overvalued them or fail to develop them
99socalfrc
Unreal how many people think he should have been given more time. Any team not turning out good players from within on a regular basis needs to change their organization from the top down. Teams trying to operate in the “no worries we will just spend/ trade our way into contention” are fooling themselves
iH8PaperStraws
I didn’t know POBOs could get fired. That’s what they have GMs as fall guys for. This means there is a chance John Mozalak could go one day! Hope has been revived today!
The best23
I don’t know how he still there that long awful gm n president
Knee cola yoke itch
Most predictable GM firing of 2022. The absurd Semien and Seager contracts were like the last acts of a desperate man.
Bobby smac9
Perhaps the owner didn’t want another off season where POBO emptied his piggy bank. Just a thought.
SportsFan0000
Gotta think that Daniels was given some sort of ultimatum to produce or he saw the writing on the wall when he gave out those contracts….Produce or be gone.
drasco036
Wait… didn’t mlbtraderumors just say Daniels wasn’t in danger of losing his job in their latest chat?
BSHH
The timing seems a bit weird. The Rangers signed two huge and one big contract in winter. If Daniels had any input in these decisions, it would be strange to oust him now after the season went not much worse than projected.
On the other hand, the Rangers were perhaps understandably wary to extend Daniels’ contract. Thus the decisions makes sense.
Gruß,
BSHH
Monkey’s Uncle
I’m not sure what exactly people thought was going to happen. The hiring of Chris Young should have put everyone else there on notice. And they’ve been disappointing, at best.
Samuel
What’s with the Chris Young stuff?
How much experience has he had with running a scouting department? A farm system? The legalities and other considerations in negotiating contracts?
Of course there are people on staff to do these things. But it takes years of experience to oversee the actions and know what is workable and what’s not.
padnastikador
So Jon Daniels years of experience taught him what is workable and what’s not, but his team still had six consecutive losing seasons? Experience is overrated. It doesn’t mean somebody is good at their job. If it does, Jerry Jones is a Great GM. I’m pretty sure nobody ever claims that.
wufdog
Looks like Ray Davis, at his age (78), wants a winner while he’s still around to enjoy it.
LordD99
This won’t guarantee that unless other moves are made.
LordD99
Interesting.
Jack Buckley
Don’t love the Rangers but this was way past due, they should be better than their record
Noel1982
It should be a long long long long time if ever before he should run a team again!
Big whiffa
This the guy who’s signed arod ?
ButchAdams
Trading for prince fielder was worse move than that
etex211
Tom Hicks was the guy that signed ARod, the owner that once said he wanted to be known as the Steinbrenner of the South.
squattinghen
Pretty sure JD knew this was coming. I was watching the press conference he and CY did on the Woodward firing, and someone asked him about his performance. He looked pretty uneasy, and his answer was by the book, but you could tell something was going on.
Rsox
Daniels got to stick around long enough to fire Woodward and then get axed himself
Angels & NL West
Whatever happened to the high school pitcher that was a Rangers fan? I believe he went by Rangers14 or something similar. He knew the organization and game of baseball well. I would like to read his take on things.
Astros Hot Takes
same
User 163535993
He died of a brain tumor, because nobody knows the Rangers Organization.
Angels & NL West
unclemike, your comment makes no sense to me, but I am concerned about the young Ranger fans health. Can you please clarify his health status if you truly know it?
stroh
Weird they would fire Daniels and Woodward but not Young. You would think Young is equally responsible at least for the last 4 years. Not sure they know what they are doing.
ButchAdams
Chris Young hasn’t been around 4 yrs, I think year and half
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
I re-watched the press conference from the Woodward firing announcement and two things stood out. A reporter asked Jon Daniels why Woodward should be held accountable and not him, Which in hindsight just seems a little too on the nose and makes me wonder if that might have led to his firing. Probably not, but it’s worth considering. His reply was weak and appeared like his position was indefensible. Making it a group fail for his job, but a personal failure for Woodward.
The second thing I noticed was at one point there was a question asked of either of them around 12 minutes into the press meeting and Chris Young indicated for Jon Daniels to take it with a small head nod. It makes me wonder why Jon Daniels would take response cues from Chris Young as his boss, unless he did that press conference knowing he was going to be terminated within 48 hours.
This makes me believe that Chris Woodward was Jon Daniels man and Chris Young wanted him out. The reason I say this is because I feel like Jon knew he was terminated based on his demeanor at the press gathering and was asked to fire Woodward on his way out the door. I could be wrong, but for Chris Young being a year younger than Daniels, far less experienced, and a subordinate, he seemed to be running the press room more than Daniels and then maybe that was noticed by Davis the owner.
I suppose its immaterial at this point whether it’s chicken or the egg that came first, but as a fan of sports and having immense curiosity about the inner workings of a professional baseball organization, I find this whole thing very fascinating. I have never seen a manager and a President of Baseball Operations fired within a couple days of each other. GM sure, but for responsibility to skip Chris Young seems very interesting.
For what its worth Jon Daniels seems like he would be the good soldier and fall on his sword after performing his exit duties first. I’m sure they compensated him fairly for the appearance and his ventriloquist act, if that was the case. Not only do I think Seager and Semien and to a lesser degree Gray were asked about Woodward and the clubhouse, but I feel like they may have been in some form the group that led to the inquisition. Funny that Woodward got fired potentially due to Seager considering Woodward spent a number of seasons playing alongside Kyle Seager in Seattle.
If Daniels was terminated prior to Woodward being released, asking him to do a press conference knowing he was on the way out would look twice as bad as Chris Young taking responsibility for all the cuts. Regardless of how misguided one might feel the Rangers were in signing Semien and Seager in the offseason, it didn’t happen without Young and he’s been there two years sucking it up as GM, for him to have his hands all over this team and to walk away unscathed is very telling about the relationship and leash he has with the majority owner.
I don’t think getting rid of Daniels or Woodward makes the Rangers a better club today or tomorrow, Adolis Garcia is a super athlete, but he’s also a klutz when it comes to fielding, those types of miscues are not coachable. Many of their roster was garbage and for good reason, they weren’t going to add stars or regular athletes while the young guys are coming up through the system. I would not be surprised to see them turn to Joe Madden. if he’s interested due to his track record with young players. As an organization the Rangers should be more concerned with how they develop talent in the minors.
I like Garcia as a player, but I’m glad he’s not a Mariner, despite being very good, his errors and miscues would drive me crazy. I didn’t mean to pick on him, but then again, I could say the same thing about Jesse Winker for Seattle, Hunter Renfroe for the Brewers, and Juan Soto for the Padres. They all have strong arms, but make too many errors or simply just play bad defense, but they all play on teams potentially headed for the playoffs.
Either this is camouflage for something else or the Rangers are blowing this whole thing out of proportion.
GarryHarris
I also think the last few days are simply shady and Chris Young is the underlying culprit.
ButchAdams
Why would Chris Young be responsible? Youngs been here a year and a half, Daniel’s 17. And rangers problems go back 5 yrs or more. Just look at the failed prospects, and 1st rd drafts in his tenure
padnastikador
Now let’s not blame Jon Daniels for the past 6 losing seasons. He was only the President of baseball operations. Clearly it’s not his fault. Ha Ha Ha Ha
GarryHarris
I didn’t say he was responsible for Texas’ poor team, I said the way the end went down was shady.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
Okay, sure that’s low hanging fruit, good for you to target the six losing season, but a rebuild usually takes 5 years and the Rangers didn’t commit to the rebuild until 2018, which means they are actually on course if they can take a step forward next year to around .500, which they could possibly.
In 2017, the Rangers missed the playoffs by 7 games, but one might also wonder would they have made the playoffs if they didn’t trade Darvish. He won 5 of his last 9 starts for the Dodgers, gave up 0 ER in 5.1 IP in a loss, and had two other 5+ inning games where he only gave up 3 ER. Plus how much did his trade suck the wind out of the teams sails?
The problem in 2018, was Andrus fell off a cliff during his 29 year old season, they had young players popping up all over the diamond who were supposed to become cornerstones like Gallo, Profar, Mazara, Guzman (Ronald), Kiner-Falefa, and Odor all 25 or younger. To be fair Darvish was about to become a free agent, but they took the wrong deal and added Calhoun another under 25, who never really found it.
While the 2018 Rangers won only 67 games, their expected W-L was 71=91, which is promising considering how badly the starters underperformed. A little help on the mound and some breakouts could’ve led to a 90 win season in 2019. The end result was 78 wins, but Beltre had retired despite putting up a .900 OPS in his last season, which he was replaced with Asdrubal Cabrera (thumbs down), Odor put up the most polarizing season I can remember for a 2B, he barely managed a .720 OPS, but hit 30 HR, stole 11 bases, played solid defense, but struck out 178 times. Again injuries and underperforming starters kept them out of the playoffs.
Keep in mind they had Patrick Wisdom, A-S catcher Jose Trevino, and Nick Solak on the bench, plus a bunch of young pitchers coming up through the system, so it’s not for a lack of effort that the rebuild didn’t take shape, in fact you could argue that Jon Daniels gave the GM and player development organization a ton of talent to work with once he was promoted.
The development staff failed to turn many of those players into quality major leaguers or did so and they were traded by Chris Young. What should we do with a controllable GG infielder? Trade him for a bad catcher who crushes lefties! Fun fact, IKF in his last Rangers season had a 3.7 bWAR and made $2,000,000. Corey Seager to date has a 3.7 bWAR in 2022 and is making $33,000,000.
Do you think Chris Young was in the other room listen to iTunes on his Beats by Dre? Pretty sure he’s just as responsible. In the time Chris Young has been the GM, they have pretty much rolled over all that under 25 talent from a couple years before for less floor and less ceiling. The only moves of note is Gray, Seager, and Semien. But they kind of replace Hamels, Soo-Choo, and Beltre from the team 5-6 years ago.
If you ask the question are they closer in two years to the postseason than they were in 2018? The answer is a firm no. They are further from the postseason. Chris Young may not be the only problem, but he’s also no the solution and should have been part of a top down house cleaning if you are getting rid of Daniels and Woodward. Though I wonder if he might just be keeping the Pres/GM seat warm for when he gets dismissed in the offseason. I mean even a drunk captain is better than nobody steering the ship, I suppose.
One final thought on Chris Woodward and Chris Young, Woodward was hired to manage the team in 2019, he had an almost .500 record, the following season was shortened due to the pandemic. After that season Chris Young was named G.M., his first year in the position, Young orchestrated a roster that lost almost 20 more games since the last full season and rang the 100 loss bell. Woodward in 2022 was on course to win 12 more games than last year, despite not having a team worth a crap and two of the top 3 teams in the AL playing them 38 times.
My predictions, Beasley won’t be manager in 2023, the Rangers will fire another manager after Beasley before they make the playoffs again. Chris Young will be let go by 2024 at the latest and the Rangers won’t make the postseason until after 2026. Worse yet, with the Athletics reloading for a run in four years, the Rangers will make one or two wild card appearances at best and be done for another 4-6 years after that brief postseason appearance, if they get there at all.
padnastikador
In case you missed it the first time
Now let’s not blame Jon Daniels for the past 6 losing seasons. He was only the President of baseball operations. Clearly it’s not his fault. Ha Ha Ha Ha
I am enjoying your posts
Thank You
squattinghen
Saw the same. I feel pretty confident JD already knew he was out.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@ThankGodWeAren’tAngels: Appreciate your analysis…I agree Joe Maddon would be a good fit as manager. Also was thinking of Mike Schildt.
JoeBrady
As I’ve mentioned several times before, it is entirely possible that Preller was the architect of Daniels success. Preller left in 2014. For example, how many guys have the Rangers drafted since 2014 that have made any contribution at all?
Pure speculation time, but if SD misses the playoffs, what’s the chances that Preller gets fired? And, if that happens, what’s the chances he lands in Texas?
Chemo850
100% likelihood that he gets fired if the Padres miss the playoffs again. If they miss the playoffs again and he’s still there next season with all the resources he’s burned through then for sure he and the owner are lovers.
padnastikador
It was no doubt Preller, but also Don Welke, Thad Levine, and many others, including Jon Daniels. While Daniels clearly knows very little about baseball, he deserves credit for once hiring many people that do. When the Rangers lost all those good baseball people to other organizations, they began to flounder without any clear direction.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
You mean when the Astros promoted 4 to 5 All-Stars who may or may not have a chance at the HOF? The Mariners may not have made the playoffs, but they’ve had a series of winning records over the last few years and are much more talented than given credit. Over that same stretch the Angels have had possibly the best two players in baseball. So sorry to say, but the Rangers have performed on par with expectations. They have consistently been the worst team in the AL West by talent and aside from throwing $150-200M at free agency each year, the chasm between their talent and the rest of the league was enormous. Good baseball people can’t fix bad scouting, bad drafting, poor trades, poor signings, and being in a division with better run teams that have more money to spend.
padnastikador
So you think 6 consecutive losing seasons are on par with expectations? Completely off base. Not one fan, not one owner, not one GM, not one President of baseball operations should or does expect to have a losing record for 6 consecutive seasons. Not one.
And now you’re blaming the rest of the division for Jon Daniels and the Rangers shortcomings? Seriously? It’s not even in the top two. AL East, NL West. Debatable for third. Definitely not this season.
I’ll try and decipher the rest of your gibberish.
“Good baseball people can’t fix bad scouting, bad drafting, poor trades, poor signings, and being in a division with better run teams that have more money to spend.”
I believe what you’re saying is that Jon Daniels is a good baseball person, but it’s not his fault that the people he hired scouted bad, that the people he hired drafted bad, and that the bad trades and signings were on Chris Young, not him? And obviously you’re blaming Ownership. Is that about right?
TheRealMilo
Good baseball people build organizations where scouting and development are the primary currency. See Elias, Mike – and he’s building that monster in a division where he’s vastly outspent by 3/4 of his bunkmates. Daniels was a failure because he didn’t understand and respect the importance of minor league development.
TheRealMilo
There’s a myth that Preller is a successful GM. As a fact check, outside of this season, the only other year he’s led the Padres to a wining record is the 60 game COVID season. That’s a bad resume. He’s more of a carnival barker than a baseball guy. He does loud things to get attention and lure people in – but there’s little substance behind the spectacle. The Rangers are Chris Young’s team – and hopefully Young is more in the Mike Elias mold and less carnival barker Preller.
padnastikador
I completely agree with you about the importance of scouting and development, but Preller also does that as well as anybody. I know his record hasn’t reflected that yet, but I believe in time it will. That may not be for the Padres. What I also like about Preller is his aggressiveness. He goes for it. He makes moves. He tries to win. You’ll never hear comments like, “not expected to contend”, or “ a rebuild takes five years”, from a Preller ran team. Those excuses are made for the guys who are bad at the job.
GarryHarris
Just as long as the Tigers don’t make him their new GM.
Vanmorrissey
AJ Preller was his Assistant, money on him ending up in San Diego.
abpp
so many comments, and a long blurb by MLBTR, but no mention of PRINCE FIELDER? tsk tsk
ntlee
The trade for Nelson Cruz was WITH Carlos Lee, not for him. A young Cruz was a nice throw-in in the deal.
AaronAngst
I see a mistake – Not to quibble, but he wasn’t traded FOR Carlos Lee… the Brewers actually included him WITH Carlos Lee for a mess of hot garbage. How I wish that weren’t the case… Even back then I wondered why they would include him since he raked everywhere he went in their system.. Damn Doug Melvin and his ridiculous ‘stache.
cardsfanboy
Well Done. Bring Nolan back
I actually like Bannister
etex211
Nolan Ryan is already back. He’s been back for a couple of years.
What does any of this have to do with Nolan Ryan? Ryan is not and never has been a general manager. His job here was to sell tickets and hot dogs. That’s the same job he took when he went to Houston.
When Ryan was here the first time and put his foot down to demand a couple of player moves, it was to sign Oswalt and Berkman, a couple of washed up has-beens that were cancerous to the Ranger clubhouse.
padnastikador
While I dont disagree with you about Nolan not being the General Manager, he did have a big hand in bringing in Mike Maddux and Jackie Moore. Those two were great additions. They were important pieces on the Rangers World Series teams.
rangers13
RANGERS 29 what is your take? From a 50-year Ranger fan and very close follower of the team here is mine for what it is worth. This has been a long time in coming. CY will guide the Rangers into the next winning cycle as it is no surprise that after Ryan was dismissed Ranger’s success fell quickly. A novel concept to have an actual former baseball player making baseball decisions, especially a well-educated up-and-comer like CY. I think one of the first things we will see is the release of Culberson, Miller, and Calhoun in favor of Jung, Huff, and maybe Foscue. In these last 40-plus games it is imperative the Rangers get a good idea of what these players can bring to help the team and/or be used to trade for other needed pieces in order to create a smart shopping list for the off-season. I know Winn has not had the AAA results expected of him, but he needs to be here instead of Arihara as does Alexy to see where/if they fit into the future of the club. The next wave of O.White, Leiter, and Bradford do not need to be tried at this level yet as late next year and 24,25 is their window. For now, the current shopping list must be headed by Rodon and then one of Syndergaard, Clevinger, or Tallion, depending on how Winn, Reagan, and Otto look for the remainder of the season. If one of them steps up then Rodon will do. Rangers need to make a decision about Huff as that will determine whether they need to pursue Bell or Mancini in the off-season. There is also only x amount of spots for Duran, Smith, Thompson, Foscue, and Acuna in 24 to play, so decisions need to be made as to where they fit. At present, if Jung does as expected LF and DH are the only position player spots that need to be picked up in FA. That means that Jung is at 3B two of Duran, Smith, Foscue, and Thompson on a bench or traded for controllable pitching starting or otherwise..
cardsfanboy
Rangers need better player scouting and development
etex211
I think they should raid the Indians and steal anybody that teaches pitchers how to pitch.
rangerfan4ever
Big ten four on that
HalosHeavenJJ
17 years. That’s forever in baseball.
Daniels took a team that routinely got outdrawn by high school football games and made them the talk of the town for a few years. Two trips to the Fall Classic.
But as far as baseball goes, that was a long time ago and the Rangers have been bad for quite a while. Still, with the talented pitchers on the farm and some legit talent signed over the off season I thought Daniels was being given a chance to build the next winner.
Guess not.
futuregm12
Yet Dayton Moore still has a job
etex211
I’ve watched a lot bad Rangers baseball in the past 50 years. I am very grateful to Jon Daniels for bringing us the best teams we’ve ever put on the field. I hope Chris Young can be that successful.
Rsox
I feel like the “best teams” the Rangers ever put on the field were those ’96,’98-’99 teams. I would give Ron Washington and his coaching staff more credit for the success of the ’10-11 pennant winners.
knolln
there are many easy pickings out there, and you got like every one of them wrong? choo was a lineup anchor? if that was what stopped them from spending….lets just stop, it didn’t. cashner was worth 50x what he was paid, gomez too in what he cost to acquire. lucroy ehh but the brinson, ortiz, cordell return i think is a negative WAR? not sure and i had high hopes for brinson too.
could have said the skinny rebuild was a bad idea (though forced on him by owners) they haven’t produced anything really above a 4 starter in 2 decades.
they have a really really good group of no high end talent, but 30 really good players they’re going to throw at a wall and if 5 of them stick that would be huge. more than that is a dynasty.
but you mentioned the wrong shortcomings.
wileycoyote56
This was 10 years too late!!! When he forced Ryan out was the beginning of the end
C Yards Jeff
The Rangers, Tigers and Orioles all started their rebuild around the same time. Of the 3 teams, two of the three Presidents have been dismissed. The difference in ownership style? Two of the 3 owners chose existing front office staff to lead the rebuild, one gutted the front office staff not just on field personnel.
Avila and Daniels are good baseball people. They will land on their feet.
Elias in Baltimore, is solid as well and so far things are looking up for the O’s under his leadership.
Maybe to have a successful rebuild, gutting the whole org is prudent to have eventual success. I may be wrong, but I believe Atlanta and Houston ownership employed this full monty approach. To date, pretty impressive results from both orgs.
stymeedone
Under Avila,.the Tigers gutted their whole system. They brought in analytics throughout the organization (with the exception of Lloyd McClendon as Toledo Mgr). New scouting and player development, with recent drafts being strong. Avila’s achilles was that he had horrible “luck” with his free agent signings. Currently, the Tigers 40 man roster contains a plethora of young players who were drafted by Avila, acquired in trades, signed as minor league FAs, or acquired in the rule 5 draft, especially pitchers. Mize, Turnbull, Skubal, Faedo, Brieske, Manning, Alexander, Hill, Garcia, Soto, Lange, Cisnero, Funkhouser, Foley, Jimenez, Vest and more coming thru the pipe. He is the exact opposite of Daniels. Ten starting pitchers went on the IL this year, and he kept going to the farm and bringing up another young arm to fill the rotation. Yet it is the Tigers pitching that has been their strong point. He might be just what Texas needs. Let Chris Young sign the Free Agents.
C Yards Jeff
#stymeedone; thanks for the detail. The Elias plan looks very similar to the Avila plan. One difference. In Baltimore, no free agent signings, yet. Looks like that may change this off season.
Owner John Angelos has given the okay to expand payroll this off season. I’m hoping this means long term deals for Rutschman and Mullins but it sure would be nice to try free agency. In particular, and IMO, a 1 or 2 rotation piece would be nice. Plus, I am a Mateo fan, but if Elias goes for a SS, I like Trea Turner. Hope he has better fortune than Avila. Tricky stuff; definitely part luck!
Avila to the Rangers? Interesting.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Just for a sense of what is possible: Look at the Seattle Mariners, taking a “step-back” in 2018. “Mini-Rebuild” you could call it. Traded off all their high priced veterans, cleaned house, went from a bottom-third farm system to arguably #1 in 2.5 years. They won 90 games last year in Year 3 of their “Step-back.” Detroit, Baltimore, Texas should all be ashamed it’s taking them so long. Jerry Dipoto doesn’t get enough credit for what he has done in Seattle IMHO.
C Yards Jeff
@Ignorant Son-of-a-b; didn’t have a clue how Seattle went about their business. Like “Mini-Rebuild” reference. Looks like Baltimore, Detroit and Texas all drank the Houston Astros version of a rebuild Kool Aid. Which of course, has it’s merits. Pretty successful approach to winning consistently if you can pull it off. Texas and Detroit, oof. Baltimore? The jury is still out. The owner has given the go ahead to expand payroll this off season, so we’ll find out soon enough.
Looks like there’s more than one way to build a rebuild. Kudos to Seattle for getting it done in a tighter window.
Domingo111
Chris young is a smart guy and obviously knows baseball too but he also has spent several years in the org and probably adapted some kind of group think with the rangers staff.
I think they should hire a guy from another org who brings in new ideas and has a bit more distance to the rest of the staff.
tothestars7991
This is about 8 years too late. Even even the Rangers were very good in the mid 2010’s, he made some very questionable moves.
ArianaGrandSlam
Cashman’s next.
knolln
Pretty rough take on the guy that’s been the best thing to happen to an org in its history
SportsFan0000
Cashman started as an intern under Larry Lucchino in San Diego.
Schroeder
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Schroeder
Better late than never! ⚾️
willthathrill08
about time!!!!
brucenewton
Better late than never I guess. Canned the manager trying to save his job.
CBA_Enjoyer
Great use of the word “halcyon” in this article. That is all.
SportsFan0000
No way the Tigers will make Daniels Pres of Baseball Ops or GM.
over the past 5-6 years, Daniels was having similar problems that Al Avila was having with the Tigers: prospects not living up to their ratings, bad drafts, bad trades, bad talent evaluation and bad development of players and multiple free agent signings that did not pan out for his team.
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Daniels appears to be knowledgeable, talented etc, but his recent track record with the Rangers does not do much to distinguish himself from Al Avila’s last 5-6 years with the Tigers.
ClevelandSteelEngines
Doesn’t want to have to give credit to prior leadership for the likely turnaround in the next five seasons, yet didn’t want to be responsible for the stinker the Rangers have displayed.
The Rangers have some talent coming and should fill spots nicely around Semien and Seager. I’m particularly interested in guys from A+ and AA. Can’t wait to see how they mature and whether it’s bonafide.