The Padres and Red Sox have announced a trade that will send first baseman Eric Hosmer to the Red Sox along with prospects Corey Rosier and Max Ferguson, as well as cash considerations. In exchange, the Padres will receive pitching prospect Jay Groome. According to Alex Speier of the Boston Globe, the cash considerations are actually about $44MM, with the Padres paying down the remainder of Hosmer’s contract, apart from the league minimum.
Hosmer previously exercised his partial no-trade clause to veto a deal to the Nationals, temporarily throwing a wrench into the Juan Soto negotiations. The Padres/Nats Soto blockbuster was completed anyhow, sans Hosmer, and Hosmer is now heading to Boston instead.
It’s a fairly stunning sequence of events, but the Red Sox will take advantage of San Diego’s willingness to pay the freight on Hosmer’s underwater contract and take a low-cost look at a former All-Star who’ll help solidify a position of need in the lineup. Boston has been pairing Franchy Cordero and Bobby Dalbec at first base for much of the season, often to disastrous results, and Hosmer should shore up some of the miscues that have become common in the Boston infield. Defensive metrics have never agreed with Hosmer’s four Gold Glove Awards, but even still, he gives the Sox a more solid option than Cordero, who’s made eight errors and been rated five outs below average in just 316 innings (per Statcast) while trying to learn first base on the fly in the Major Leagues.
Bringing Hosmer into the fold in many ways serves as a roadblock to top prospect Triston Casas, though the Sox could certainly have the two split time between first base and designated hitter. It does figure to tamp down rumblings of Rafael Devers eventually moving across the diamond from third base to first base, however, as Hosmer is now penciled in as the primary option at first for the next several seasons.
Hosmer, a former All-Star and 2015 World Series champion, is in the fifth season of an eight-year, $144MM contract signed with the Padres prior to the 2018 season. The deal was near-universally panned at the time of signing and fell into albatross territory almost immediately. Hosmer hit a combined .259/.316/.412 through his first 1344 plate appearances in San Diego — about six percent worse than league-average over that span by measure of wRC+ (which, notably, weights for league context like the juiced-ball season in 2019).
To Hosmer’s credit, his offense has improved a bit over the past three seasons. As leaguewide production has trended downward following the 2019 homer boom, Hosmer has maintained a .273/.336/.411 batting line from 2020-22, which clocks in about seven percent better than average.
That’s still not what the Friars had in mind when signing him to a frontloaded eight-year deal with an $18MM annual value, of course, and Hosmer’s tepid production has pushed the Friars to explore trades for him for more than a year now. In the past, the goal was to find a taker for Hosmer and the bulk of his contract — likely by attaching him to a top prospect — but things have now reached the point where the Padres are simply willing to eat a notable portion of the contract to free up the roster spot for a more productive hitter in Josh Bell, who was acquired alongside Soto.
In order to rid themselves of said albatross, they have parted with Rosier and Ferguson, whom Boston will acquire in exchange for taking Hosmer off the Padres’ hands. Rosier, 22, was a 12th round pick in last year’s draft. The outfielder had a sparkling debut in A-ball last year, hitting .390/.461/.585 along with 13 steals. This year, moving up to High-A, he’s hitting .263/.381/.396 with 33 swipes. Ferguson, 22, is an infielder who was selected in the fifth round last year. He’s split his time this year between A-ball and High-A, slashing .221/.365/.358.
While the Padres have long wanted to be rid of Hosmer’s contract for financial reasons, it seems they eventually gave up on those dreams, since they are eating effectively all of his contract. The club flirted with the luxury tax line all year, seemingly unwilling to cross it. However, the opportunity to get superstar players like Soto, Bell and Josh Hader seemed to be an opportunity too good to pass up, with the club now certain to pay the luxury tax for a second straight season.
Instead of financial relief, the Padres will receive a former first round pick, as Groome was selected 12th overall by the Red Sox in 2016. Baseball America considered him one of the top 100 prospects in the sport once upon a time, with Groome landing at #43 in 2017 and #83 in 2018. Unfortunately, Tommy John surgery wiped out his 2018 season and limited him to just four innings in 2019. That was followed by the pandemic wiping out the minor league seasons in 2020, meaning Groome hardly pitched at all for three straight seasons. He returned to the mound last year, pitching to a 4.81 ERA between High-A and Double-A. He’s shown improved results this year, however, throwing 92 2/3 innings between Double-A and Triple-A with a 3.59 ERA and 24.2% strikeout rate, though a high walk rate of 11.4%. He’ll add some pitching depth for the Padres, who just lost MacKenzie Gore in the Soto deal.
Jeff Sanders of the San Diego Union-Tribune first reported that Hosmer was headed to Boston. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first noted that Hosmer’s no-trade list didn’t include the Red Sox. Chris Cotillo of MassLive first reported that this would be a multi-player deal and that Rosier and Ferguson would be included (Twitter links). Robert Murray of FanSided first had Groome’s involvement. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe first reported that the Padres are sending about $44MM to the Red Sox.
Milwaukee-2208
Red Sox don’t even know what they are doing.
stymeedone
Its a freebie! Not a great gift, but still a gift.
Milwaukee-2208
Sox have zero direction.
Let’s call them the next Rockies
James LaGrow
I don’t know that I’ve ever heard a more ridiculous comment on here. Dick Monfort is a moron, and no baseball team will ever be In the same sentence as Colorado.
all in the suit that you wear
Direction appears to be building the farm system.
deweybelongsinthehall
Let’s wait until the rest of the moves including in the off season before assessing. To me it’s a value move. Perhaps it will lead to a bigger trade involving Casas.
Cody1981
Actually Colorado had a way better direction
JackStrawb
The Bryant deal was astounding. I had Kris getting 3/60m. He’s a damaged corner guy, his momentary flouncing in CF notwithstanding, who’s likely to age fast but was still projected to be worth about 3 wins in 2022.
7/$182m was madness. Just half that would have bespoken woeful ignorance.
RodBecksBurnerAccount
Great comparison.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Or Dalbec. Casas is probably more useful than Dalbec right now
RodBecksBurnerAccount
It was just three years ago the Sox had Betts, Devers, Xander, Benintendi and JD. Now Betts and Benintendi are gone, Xander and JD are about to be and there has been no extension with Devers yet.
Very similar to the Rockies when they had Arenado, Story, Blackmon, DJ Lemahieu and Carlos Gonzalez (that was just 6 years ago).
KyleT
How many WS had Rockies won at that point?
deweybelongsinthehall
Casas is a lefty so unless one becomes a DH, trading Casas could be in play. He has much more value than Dalbec.
KyleT
Holsmer plays first this year, then DH next year if Casas is ready. Casas isn’t going anywhere. Holsmer gets traded before him.
jaash5
But it hard to argue that bloom is not awful …. He is just doing a bang up job … So happy they hired him
fisher40
Rockies never had pitching which was why they never won
outinleftfield
The Angels enter the chat.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I agree he has more value than Dalbec, but not sure Bloom wants to trade Casas, our future.
Jeffrey R. Kosnett
At least they were in one. Ain’t close now.
NINCOMPOOP
Boston has won more WS in the last decade than majority teams and you fans still cry. Boston should be called the racist crybabies bc we all know about the whites there
Hon3st
Most of the people crying on here ain’t even Sox fans Einstein.
And ain’t you tired of hearing Boston fans yell racist slurs at JBJ, Bogaerts, Devers and etc evertime they come to bat?
Any propaganda you hear on the fake MSM you believe. You people are pathetic.
badco44
Think that word racist is just a bit over used so much so, it has no meaning anymore… let’s try a new insult! Don’t ya think?
PutPeteinthehall
I had him 5/90. He got double. Why did the Friars have to throw in anything when they are paying all of the salary minus the minimum? Someone would have picked him up and paid that anyways? Albatross contract no. Bad contract yes. Heyward is the albatross
flamingbagofpoop
Stop projecting.
MuleorAstroMule
In the sense that herpes is a gift.
jeffmaz
The herpes lasts forever. Hosmer is only for 3+ years.
Pedro Martinez’s Mango Tree
It’s not a gift, it’s trash
dynamite drop in monty
I mean they need a 1b, sd is paying for him, and they may get some prospects in the deal.
globalform
They’re not getting prospects in the deal when they’re not taking any contract on. If he doesn’t work out, they waive him and lose nothing.
iverbure
Nope, looks like they got prospects as well.
all in the suit that you wear
Probably prospects coming to Boston too. Their main objective seems to be building the farm system.
OldSaltUSNR
I doubt prospects have much to do with this trade.
Prospects = $$$
If the Pads eat salary, the send no prospects (albeit, a couple of lower level sludge reclamation project lotto ticket types).
If Boston eats some salary, thus lowing the Pads overall salary (maybe helping avoid the luxury tax), then Boston gets better prospects.
It’s one or the other, or some combination. Current report says SD eats 100% of Hos salary.
all in the suit that you wear
Agreed, the more $ SD pays, the less prospect value needed for Boston to take on Hosmer’s contract. This wouldn’t be the first time Bloom took on a contract to get prospects.
globalform
Exactly.
Eric Olson 2
The Red Sox will be paying him the league minimum. The Padres will be on the hook for the rest.
stymeedone
@ old salt
“It’s one or the other, or some combination.”
I so seldom see someone take such a bold stand on an issue.
jimthegoat
@stymeedone Stop that. You’re not good at it.
all in the suit that you wear
Maybe Campusano coming to replace Vazquez.
rmullig2
The Padres traded all of their prospects to get Soto. Anything left will just be lottery tickets.
JoeBrady
How about explain in regular English, what you object to? I’m not real keen about Hosmer, but I generally don’t complain about free stuff.
AceKing
Here is a free hitter who gets outs all the time when you need a base runner.
Yay free!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Hosmer was hitting like crazy earlier in the season. He’s not fantastic, but he’s got pop and moving to a hitters ballpark.
kingbum
It has to be an improvement on Dalbac and Cordero….It’s free and Casas isn’t ready….this was smart by Bloom he took advantage of San Diego.
MuleorAstroMule
He’s only free if opportunity cost doesn’t exist.
DirtyWater04
Opportunity cost implies another viable option. Wasting more at-bats on Bobby Dalbec in 2022 is not opportunity cost. He cannot hit major league pitching, he has proven this. If better alternatives arise in 2023 or beyond, we can bench or release Hosmer and only be out the minimum. Ergo, we are getting Hosmer for free.
stymeedone
@dirty
Exactly! If Hosmer finds the Green Monster to his liking, great! If he doesnt, he won’t block anyone, as Boston has nothing invested in him, so will release him fast.
alwaysgo4two
Wow……does Bloom actually have a plan or is he just winging it? Makes little sense.
JackStrawb
Yeah, if anything Bloom’s a ‘gut’ GM.
/s
kingbum
Clearly he’s trying to build a strong defensive team…..JBJ. a former gold glove winner…..Hosmer a former gold glove winner…..Story is better than Bogaerts with the glove….He has sent a message loud and clear, defense is what he wants.
julyn82001
Well, San Diego is fronting the bill for Hosmer
So Boston’s got nothing to lose at this point…
dmanvilela
Bloom plain out sucks! he came from a small market team and Ii s trying to run the team like he is still in TB. The Sox has needed RP since last seasons opening day. I like the hosmer deal and Pham. but he still has d ok me nothing about pitching. if they don’t at the minimum make playoffs either him or cora are gone. Cora has subtly given the finger to him when they played Toronto and he let the bullpen be low the game as always . it was telling bloom ” this is what you give me so I’m gonna keep trotting them out there until you get someone” and still like I said he’s got no RP, WTF?
99socalfrc
You guys ended up in the ALCS last year and you had NO (like ZERO) business being there. Quit complaining and give the guy some time
JackStrawb
A $207m payroll is ‘running the team like TB’? He was stuck with knowing Bogaerts was leaving, with $27m going to Sale, and filling in during a down season with contracts for guys like Pham, Wacha, and Hill, some good, some bad, b/c it’s an awkward bridge year.
And they’re still .500 and just a couple of games out of the wildcard.
Bobby smac9
@ dman### that’s exactly why Bloom was hired.
kingbum
Open your eyes, Bloom is helping the pitching staff by improving the defense. McGuire coming from the White Sox is a defensive catcher and known to be good with pitching staffs, he tried JBJ because he’s a former gold glover and can still catch the ball. Hosmer, is also a former gold glover and won’t have a 3 error night like Franchy Cordero. Pham will replace JBJ for the most part except for when it’s close and you need defense. Story fields much better than Bogaerts…..Bloom wants defense over hitting that’s his plan, he’s going to change the run differential by giving up less runs than everyone instead of having to outscore teams.
dirkg
The Angels are on Line 1. They heard Hosmer has been working on his curve ball.
PoisonedPens
Yes, they do…Bloom is one step closer to having an entire lineup of league average players. He’s just waiting for Devers and Xander to split town, then the quest will be complete.
Jesus2
Not sure what kind of game plan red sox have… ? Pitching is their major weakness … obvious and clear… bagley and dalbec are clearly minor leaguers… failed coaching is a major weakness…takes too long to fix pitcher and hitting techical issues…
Not sure what trading a hitting catcher for a second rate one gets you…
Perhaps there is a lack of trading partners for pitching ?
Looks like major instruction and development issues in minor leagures… bagley and dalbec are clearly examples of botched minor league products… RIDICULOUS that minor leagues have not produced great pitchers…
DirtyWater04
You and Chaim have a lot in common, with respect to having no idea what the plan is here.
iverbure
I think you guys are forgetting Hosmer has a opt out after this year. If you go back and read the article about the padres signing Hosmer on Feb 18 of 2018 many people in the comments were concerned and convinced Hosmer would be opting out for sure.
They really ought to have a warning post of something you’ve said stupidity in the past before you’re allowed to hit send on here. The amount of bozo’s who thought Hosmer was a good signing to begin with was baffling to read 5 years later.
There was this funny guy asking if gm get drug tested in the Hosmer article.
Deleted Userr
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/padres-to-sign-eric-hos…
Amanda
I have never in my life seen this team more directionless, i rather them loose 110 games, atleast then they can simply tell fans’ were rebuilding’ , they have won 4 WS series since 2004, most teams would kill to win 1, NOBODY is tear them apart if they go through a few years of bad rosters, but this? atrocious, i guess the only other team i can compare them to are the angels, no hope and no direction, a good( not great) team with no future, its the same with us, granted i do think Bostons a tick better, i mean we havent fired our manager( even though we should or i hope he doesnt manage next year) but either way, these are 2 franchises with absolutely no plan, Pedro Martinez, the greatest pitcher we EVER had, said last night on the MLB network he doesnt see any path forward for boston, thank god we have a man who says exactly what needs to be said.
Francys01
To the Red Sox.
One Bite Hotdog
Solves that 1B problem
JackStrawb
Hosmer has actually been +1.3 rWAR, while the Sox 1Bmen have been negative 1.1 rWAR.
If you accept that, had the Red Sox had Hosmer’s modest talent on hand since the beginning of April, they’d be tied for a wildcard spot.
Bloom really scrod the poche, here, in letting it go this long.
MafiaBass
I’m not sure I agree because whatever the price is for the Red Sox, it’s never been lower, and it probably hadn’t been palatable yet.
cacasteve
What is happening?!?
estevesj
You get a hosmer you get a hosmer everybody gets a hosmer
Bobcastelliniscat
It’s like Oprah is giving away hosmers
AceKing
I don’t really want a Hosmer
Lars MacDonald
You’ll get a Hosmer whether you like it or not !!!
slowcurve
Like that U2 album Apple tried to shove down everyone’s throats.
Bart Harley Jarvis
No Hosmer for you! One year!
stymeedone
What’s more surprising? That Soto got traded by the deadline, or that Hosmer got traded at all?
Deleted Userr
Hosmer. The Nats had to trade Soto now and Soto doesn’t have an immovable contract and a NTC.
3Men&ABibee
Boston Or Washington? That’s a tough one.. hmm
TrumpisMyGawd
Wait til he sucks it up in beantown. Then come back and ask me.
3Men&ABibee
No win situation for Hosmer with the NTC exercising it and not being able to..
neo
He’s a .354 hitter in Fenway, and most of his freight is paid by San Diego. Why wouldn’t they take him? His OPS+ suggests he’s not a bum, just overpaid.
Padres just needed his contract off their books in a bad way.
OldSaltUSNR
Yep, he’s a LH hitter in a LH hitter’s dream park. He will immediately improve Boston’s defense. I think he’ll make Boston fans happy, similar to how Renfroe did well there (at least initially).
JackStrawb
Good points, but they’re not getting his contract off the books if they’re still paying it. More that they needed the roster space and had no further need for Hosmer.
DirtyWater04
He’s a very average first baseman, which isn’t exciting to the party who has to sign his checks, but as a Sox fan I am beyond ready for an average first baseman after two years of the Bobby Dalbec Experience.
jmi1950
With 4 gold gloves.
Pads Fans
Hosmer has 99 AB in Fenway with only 11 since 2018. He went 2 for 11 with no XBH in those AB in Boston while with the Padres.
Fully agree that he is not a bum, just overpaid and he is an upgrade in Boston, which says a bunch about how bad Boston’s 1B have been.
Pads Fans
Padres are not paying all of Hosmer’s deal. Not even half. And they get Groome.
Pads Fans
I was wrong and perfectly fine with being wrong. That was the best way to say FU to Hosmer.
We want you gone so bad we will pay ALL of the money you are due. Now GTFOH!!!!
TrumpisMyGawd
How many of those games were when he was much younger and in KC? The Padres didn’t get money off their books as they’re. paying 99%of his salary. It’s a move to get his physical body off their roster, not his money off the roster.
Padres2019ha
Little harsh there don’t ya think?
iverbure
Man you backpedaled fast and poorly attempted to save face after the first ridiculously factually incorrect post lmao.
Deleted Userr
It’s Pads Fans. Spin doctoring is the name of the game with him.
stymeedone
@neo
This trade leaves 97% of Hosmer’s salary on the SDP books.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Wait until they’re chanting, “Good gawd, Hawsmer’s awful!”. Then come back and ask @manila.
JeffreyChungus
Campusano, Merrill, and Lesko as a PTBNL reportedly going with him you heard it here first
Cap & Crunch
No
jimthegoat
You can’t trade players you just drafted as PTBNL’s anymore Einstein.
JeffreyChungus
No he’s not named yet that’s why he’s a PTBNL, Epstein
jimthegoat
Not allowed anymore. Go learn about baseball.
JeffreyChungus
You’re not allowed to post here anymore yet here you are, Jeffrey
sloopjonb
you’re calling him Jeffrey Epstein over this? that is… uncalled for.
jimthegoat
Evidently he’s just a troll
Javia135
The Padres are paying his salary for the 3 years after this one. The Red Sox got him for FREE. They aren’t getting prospects back unless they take on salary.
sloopjonb
That was the deal with Washington. I don’t see SD being so generous here. The deal isn’t nearly as ugly the final three years, which are about to begin. Boston should just pay for all of it if it nets them more in return.
99socalfrc
Sox take on some salary, get Campusano and send JD Martinez to the Padres too
pdubs2907
Lol
globalform
You’re kidding, right? lol. No prospects for a freebie.
MoneyBallJustWorks
I thought he wanted to go to a contender?
Benjamin101677
Market for him was probably limited and he only had 10 day no trade so he may have not had a choice.
Think it’s good for him to get out of San Diego as it would be hard to go back into that clubhouse at this point.
I wish him the best as he has been really professional about all the San Diego rumors and never saying anything negative
Pads Fans
He said plenty of negative things last season and in the offseason. He has been playing decent this season, but glad he is gone.
Tiger22matt
His no trade clause is only for 10 teams.
Philsmania
Yes, but the Red Sox are rarely down for long. They could just be in one of those retooling seasons like the had in 2020 before going for it again next year.
jimthegoat
Red Sox not on his no-trade list.
DirtyWater04
The one thing you can say to our credit, as rudderless as this current ship is, the Sox are rarely bad for extended periods of time. There will be a Red Sox playoff run again before the end of Hosmer’s contract – Washington can’t say that.
kodiak920
Washington had a run of 8 seasons with winning records, 4 division titles, and a world title. So, Washington can say that.
DirtyWater04
Operative word being had. Let me know when they luck into another 3 year run of first round picks that yield them a core of Strasburg, Storen, Harper, and Rendon and maybe we can talk about them making another playoff push.
kodiak920
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
fenwayrules
Trade Bloom
DirtyWater04
The return he got in the Mookie Betts trade is looking more and more like evidence that should have him facing a prison sentence.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Well if he didn’t trade Betts and got nothing, then what would it be?
DirtyWater04
Execution for high crimes and treason.
semut
I guess that’s better than playing on Washington
mikeychop85
He can get a discount at Dunkin now
Lars MacDonald
Exactly what I expected.
There’s no way Hosmer was staying in SD after his FU to mgmt.
It was his right to refuse the trade to Washington, but he burned his bridge.
OldSaltUSNR
Yep, and that FU wasn’t just this year. He’s been reported as “unhappy” for the past 2-3 years, when SD started trying to move him.
Again, I don’t hate the guy, it’s not his fault that SD signed and paid him, but he hasn’t EARNED the right to be on a contending team, so his unhappiness at the Padres trying to resolve his situation, is a low class, childish thing.
stymeedone
That player that hasn’t earned the right to be on a contending team, according to you, actually earned a World Series Championship ring. Just saying.
just_thinkin
$21,000,000 for 1.3 WAR.
woody0028
Better than $440,000,000 for 2.5 WAR.
Pads Fans
Soto has more WAR than that so far THIS season.
seamaholic 2
Red Sox aren’t paying him anything after this year, and this year is only a few million left. Great deal for them. They can cut him any time, but they need a 1B anyway.
DBH1969
HORRIBLE! What the heck is Bloom doing??? He was doing a good job of getting rid of garbage contracts. And then THIS……
Otto371
SD will be picking up almost all of it so not really sure what you mean by garbage contract. Its SD’s garbage contract not Boston’s.
jmaggio76
very true. but I do believe they are paying for this year alone. the next 3 is on the Sox bill
seamaholic 2
Other way around. This year is on the Sox so the Padres can lower their lux tax bill. After this year it’s all on Padres.
jmaggio76
I do believe they are paying the rest of this year. the other 3 years are on the sox.
elmedius
Nope. Article says SD is picking up $46m of the contract. Sox will have him on the cheap.
JaysForDayz
Does the contract not go on the books of bos tho? SD just sending cash to cover future $? How’s that work?
bucsfan0004
Chill out, dude. The Sox are paying close to nothing for Hoz.
DBH1969
OKay, my melt down is over now.
Thanks to @Otto and @Bucsfan for talking me off the cliff.
You all can carry on now :p
JohnChasse
And there goes any hope of the Mets dealing Dominic Smith there.
jolink65
Unless the Red Sox flip Hosmer for Smith, which I think the Mets had tried to do with the Padres at the beginning of the year.
all in the suit that you wear
Maybe the Red Sox pick up prospects in both transactions.
JohnChasse
If they didn’t pick up Vogelbach, I’d say “Maybe.” But they did, so I can’t… confidently.
Catuli Carl
Send him to Chicago with some prospects for Willson. He can play first.
ExPatNYker
or anywhere
gmenfan
Hosmer flexing on Preller for all of 90 minutes. Good job.
ibuititnoonecame
This is nonsense this ownership group is just using up all the goodwill it earned…..
conconcruz u.
finely we get good f
davidk1979
Lol
DarkSide830
I figured SD->WSH->BOS could’ve worked for Hosmer, but close enough. I guess WSH doesn’t need to eat anything now.
Cooperdooper7
MLB Network just said Padres are paying potentially half of his remaining contract
OldSaltUSNR
Now if THAT’s true, it makes some sense.
The Padres will probably send a prospect or two to compensate Boston, as well.
It looks like a win-win move from that report. The best trades usually are.
ThonolansGhost
Hosmer might have been better off going to Washington.
PaulSimon
Red Sox seem like a rich-mans version of the Mets
CravenMoorehead
At least Mets fans in the outfield seats won’t hurl racial slurs at visiting team’s players.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Not sure about that. Leave it to the Northeast.
rct
Mets have a higher payroll than the Red Sox and the richest owner in the league.
SupremeZeus
Unrelated, general observation. Cardinals FO is pretty impotent today, flaccid.
ArmChairGM-
Chill out. Y’all are next in line to get Blake Snell. Pads have to shed a few more $$
Todd Kemmerer
I wanted a Blake snell type to pirates where pads eat some salary and attach a prospect for basically nothing. Say pirates pay 10-13 mil of snells 16 mil for next yr
Deleted Userr
Why would the Padres do that when they gave up Luis Patiño and Cole Wilcox to get him that’s a terrible argument.
OldSaltUSNR
I think Snell is one of the options that the Padres might move after the season, to cut down on salary. So, something like that might still happen, but it won’t be just for salary. The Pads would also want a top ten type prospect back in the deal.
Deleted Userr
“Eric Hosmer was the reason Anthony Rizzo was traded!” XD XD XD
Josh5890
Still 3 1/2 hours to go!
Holy Cow!
And no Cubs deals, Jack. Tell Jed to stop watching the Soto deal.
cgallant
I KNEW IT!!!!
YankeesBleacherCreature
What???
Dunedin020306
I’m guessing Hosmer quickly became persona non-grata in San Diego once he nixed the Nationals deal. The Padres had to quickly find a new home for Hosmer otherwise he would become a distraction.
ThonolansGhost
After 2022, Hosmer would have been able to veto any trade with any team. That means the Padres have to trade him today.
OldSaltUSNR
That was always baked into the cake. The Pads and Nats had two (or more) deals on the table, because the first was contingent on Hos’s OK. No GM will be held hostage at the last minute on a major trade deal, like that.
Preller likely had a couple of places to ship Hosmer lined up as well, to ensure he could move Hosmer after the Nats deal. It’s just a matter of which follow-on move cost the Padres more (capital or $$$).
JoeBrady
I thought the same thing. My guess is that Preller and Bloom had agreed to terms, just in case both of them had other options that didn’t pan out.
Texas Outlaw
Wonder what the Pads get? A used bag of balls? Broken bat? Some broken in cleats? Dinner at Wendy’s?
Murray Rothbard
probably save money on his future AAV and maybe the last 2 months of this season
Cap & Crunch
A Hot juicy Red Head
AceKing
They get 15% off their car insurance
OldSaltUSNR
That depends on how much cash that Boston receives. And Boston, by the way, is an active player in this transaction. If they targeted a prospect or prospects in the deal, they’d also know that they were going to have to absorb more of Hosmer’s future salary.
It’s one or the other, or some combination of both. Hosmer has value, it’s just not the value he was signed for.
JoeBrady
I once again agree. There is a big difference between a guy not being worth his salary, and guy being worthless.
Otto371
This makes perfect sense considering SD is most likely paying a significant portion of his salary. Sox have a HUGE hole at first base right now.
Bobcastelliniscat
Well, the Hosmer trade only took three years.
LordD99
Hosmer, 1:30 pm: I reject leaving San Diego to go to a last place team.
Hosmer 2:30 pm: I accept leaving San Diego to go to a last place team.
cookmeister 2
Boston not on his NTC he didn’t have a choice
rmullig2
He could have just retired.
DogDays2
Yeah, retire and give up that money. Makes sense.
DBH1969
ROFL! Soooo true!
adkuchan
Boston was not in his NTC, so he doesn’t have a choice on this one.
GB85
They can’t get Hosmer out the door fast enough! He’s basically been traded twice in one day.
Goose
The Sox are stuck with that contract? They better be getting 3 AWESOME prospects in that deal or Bloom has to be hung from the city hall.
Otto371
SD is paying almost all of that contract. He doesnt cost the Sox much at all.
Joe It All
San Diego is paying the majority of the contract so he’s not going to cost Boston much at all.
AceKing
Lol GO Red Sox! Trade for Patrick Corbin, too!
Jal179
Half retained would seem about right. Hosmer at 10 million is passable.
LordD99
I believe his salary drops to $13 million next year, so that indicates $6.5 million if they’re paying half. He is worth that.
AceKing
Sure OK. Just trade Casas and Binelas then.
KyleT
“trade Casas and Binelas” — Why can’t they trade Hosmer? This could easily turn into a Hosmer rental. Then sent somewhere else when Casas/Binelas are ready.
MC Tim C
What is the point of trading him if you’re still going to pay most of his salary?
Joe It All
You clear a roster spot of somebody that isn’t going to get any playing time.
adkuchan
He nixed a trade. Keeping him in the clubhouse after that was probably too risky for team chemistry.
Yanks2
Can you explain how? Not saying you’re wrong but just interested in the philosophy behind that
CNichols
If you DFA him and cut him, then you get no salary relief. Even if you’re getting just a few million of his salary paid by BOS, that’s a savings.
jmaggio76
Sox get their first baseman. with that, I wonder if it’s safe to say the Mets won’t be able to dangle Smith for Martinez now
Robrock30
LOL Mets trying to unload Dom Smith, JD Davis & Szapucki in every deal as the other end hangs up.
jmaggio76
lol so true.
rct
LOL Mets? You mean the division-leading Mets? The team with the 4th best record and run differential? lmao, you haters always have the Mets on your mind.
Setzer
LOL!!!!!
dclivejazz
Hosmer has made himself persona non grata in DC, and we didn’t even want him either! With the new scheduling, we’ll get to boo him once every other year at least
ThonolansGhost
No, they always intended to trade him.
Deleted Userr
No. They didn’t.
DogDays2
Go ahead and boo him, he’s won more rings.
Scrambley
What did he do to make the fans turn on him?
Stros18
Lmao! They somehow out did the Dodgers for worst trade at the deadline. What are they doing
dopt
Boston we have a problem
Augusto Barojas
Has it been confirmed then that Bell is still going to the Padres? Sounded like since Hosmer would not go, that the deal apart from Soto was unclear.
globalform
The Nats are jumping for joy Hosmer isn’t going there. Trust me-the Pads insisted on that, to meet the demand of additional prospects being sent. Nats love the deal, as is.
stroh
Look, Hosmer is better than Dalbec, so the Sox improve. Also if SD is kicking in half or more if his salary then it’s not a bad move.
Stan Papi
Hopefully this means the end of stanky Cordero. Send Dalbec to the Pirates so he can hang out with another overhyped failed Red Sox prospect Chavis. Seems like they want to keep the cheap
underperforming guys and dump anyone who should be paid.
rhswanzey
But Franchy looks so good at first! Heh
badco44
So now we are stuck with Hosmer for three years and he has a no trade clause starting next year…. Bloom has just gone stupid
Otto371
They are not stuck with him even a little. He wont pick up 10-5 rights anymore so his 10 team list would still be it. And his contract is very tradeable now that SD is picking up most of it anyways. Hes almost free for any tea at this point.
retsubllab
He doesn”t have a no trade clause next year – it will be the same as now, a 10 team list. His full no trade protection would have kicked in with SD due to the 10/5 rule.
teddyballgame
Why do you believe he has a no trade next year?
MuleorAstroMule
Does an NTC matter for a player nobody wants?
elmedius
At roughly $1m a season they can just DFA him if it’s not working out. All he needs to do is platoon and put up Mitch Moreland numbers for it to be a riveting success. It’s not out of the realm of possibility. Not you in particular, but reading these comments makes me wonder if anyone was a fan before 04. Relatively; this isn’t that bad.
Otto371
I dont understand the negative reaction for Boston here. This surely costs almost nothing in terms of trade return or money owed. Is it really that hard to understand? This is a great trade for the Sox who have had exceptionally pathetic production from 1st base offensively and defensively.
MuleorAstroMule
It might be because the last time Hosmer was valuable was five years ago.
Otto371
HE WAS FREE!
MuleorAstroMule
I am also free and not valuable. Yet no teams are offering me a first base job. A strange paradox.
JoeBrady
MuleorAstroMule
I am also free and not valuable.
=================================
But Hosmer is valuable, and that is the difference. He has a 111 OPS+ over the past three years with an adequate+ glove.
Otto371
Way more than half actually.
bassmaster
Hosmer shot 50 times and stabbed 100 still not dead. Mads had to send in a dude w the baseball bat to finish him off . gtfo has never been clearer.
duffys cliff
So we’re essentially getting a former all star, who can actually play first base, and not have to pay him? That works for me. But who’s going back?
acell10
The question is who’s coming with him. because the sox should hopefully be getting a good prospect to take on any amount of Hosmer’s contract
mikedickinson
Finally, the Sox have a guy who can actually play first base!
The_M4N
The BoSox are only 3 games from a WC. This trade may save their season.
teddyballgame
I had a feeling the Red Sox might get involved once he nixed going to the Nationals. Sox have talked about him in previous trade deadlines. Nice for a free first baseman.
Padres2019ha
“Shore up miscues” LOL
Deleted Userr
LOL
badco44
Bloom stinking it up now… Hosmer has a no trade to any team clause effective next year…
teddyballgame
So you made the same mistake twice about this no trade thing. Want to give a third go around?
ItsKirsten
10 and 5 Doesn’t work like that, the 5 year timer has now reset.
Otto371
No he doesnt. He wont get 10/5 now that hes traded.
PadreB2011
They owe NOTHING for him…he’s a FREE 1B for 3+ years!!!
#ThankYouSanDiego
Robertowannabe
He can DFA him at no cost. Padres are still paying the freight.
Dbacks44
This will make Hosmer an all star. he loves left field and the wall will turn him into 300 hitter. This is a great move
VegasSDfan
The Red Sox can’t afford 13 million a year? The Red Sox should be paying for the majority of Hosmer’s remaining 46 million
Otto371
Why would they?
soxfan1
Agreed, do you want Casas in return too? Makes sense
JoeBrady
LOL! Why would the RS want to pay Hosmer $13M a year?
Rsox
I don’t even know what to say other than apparently the plan is there is no plan
MafiaBass
Oh, yes there is. It’s to stay relatively the same this year, while attempting to upgrade the future outlook.
JD should be traded, as Vasquez was, because there are no plans to bring either of them in for 2023. Eovaldi should stay because he should be re-signed at a similar rate.
With JD off the books, they can use 2/3 of that money to extend Bogaerts (6/200). If they make it below luxury tax next season, and they can, then it won’t hurt to have Sale in his last year while Raffy is in the first year of his huge extension (8-12 years, 300- 420M)
ItsKirsten
“I want to go a to a competitor”
*Gets traded to a 5th place team trending downwards*
MafiaBass
If the Red Sox are good enough to win right now (I want to believe they are, but realistically probably not) then they don’t need a splashy move. Hosmer’s bat is a little above average, and he’s got a good glove.
Cordero has an 82 ops+ and 79 for his career.
B Dalbec has a 76 ops+ and 100 for his career.
Hosmer’s are 112 and 108.
He is an upgrade. I don’t like how crazily SD overpaid for him, but then again SD wasn’t a destination yet when he signed.
MuleorAstroMule
Hosmer has put up negative marks defensively every year he’s played in the bigs. I don’t understand the idea that he’s a good glove.
DogDays2
I’m a Yankee fan but if you can’t figure out the difference between the Nats and Red Sox then…
twentyfivemanroster
No trade list or not, doesn’t Hosmer have 10/5 rights? Does having a clause in a contract negate that?
ItsKirsten
5 full years. He is at 4.5 it isn’t that complicated people.
CNichols
Doesn’t get 10 and 5 until he finishes his 5th season with SD, which is this season. Thats why they had to trade him now. Today is literally the last day that he couldn’t veto any trade.
rmullig2
Start printing those playoff tickets and it’s not too soon to begin scoping out a prime spot for the parade.
Robertowannabe
“Boston has been pairing Franchy Cordero and Bobby Dalbec at first base for much of the season, often to disastrous results, and Hosmer should shore up some of the miscues that have become common in the Boston infield.”
–Don’t know about Hosmer shoring anything up.. He will have several of his own miscues to stir the pot with.
ray win
Is Hosmer worse than Cordero/Dalbec? And they are getting him for next to nothing. Martinez for Smith could still be in the works, but Smith doesn’t come with great numbers. Hopefully they will bring Vazquez back in free agency and sign Bogaerts and Devers to long term contracts. Also heard the Phillies are pursuing JBJ.
Aoe3
I agree with what Bos is doing just like Tor. Not overpaying and waiting until the next offseason/deadline. NYY gm cashman repeatedly complained last 2yrs not meeting that high asking price.
Bos can still make it this year and if not could easily win the division next having payroll flexibility and strong farm.
LouWhitakerHOF
LOL
Hosmer to Boston
Poundsy24
I actually have no idea how people can be mad the Red Sox acquired Hosmer if SD is paying the majority of the bill? Very big hole practically cleared up for free. Let the Casas thing figure itself out. He’s been hurt the majority of the year and with JDM potentially gone at the deadline there may still be a spot for him in the Bigs this year too. Hosmer is a great pickup though and Sox fans will love him once they watch him play.
Aoe3
Great post, ya im sure hitting in the small confines of fenway will be a big boost in itself. He can change his game to more contact instead of power.
99socalfrc
Exactly, dude is hitting .272 and you get him for free for 3 years? What are people complaining about?
AceKing
You’ll see…
MuleorAstroMule
Is an immobile slap hitter your ideal first baseman? If so, you have nothing to worry about.
JoeBrady
1-Some RS fans are woefully ignorant of how baseball works.
2-Some RS fans live to hate every RS move.
Past that, and depending on cost, how can any RS not like this trade? I’d have been happy to trade Franchy for Dom Smith, just to get a lefty 1B that can actually play the position. Cordero was simply awful. Hosmer theoretically makes an excellent platoon partner for Dalbec. Hos has been averaging 2.1 bWAR/650 for the past three years. Obviously overpaid, but if SD is picking up the tab….
jmi1950
I can see Dalbec going off on a hot streak.. He seems to only play well when there is competition for AB’s.
ray win
Is Hosmer worse than Dalbec/Cordero?
Otto371
You obviously havent watched a Sox game this year if you are really asking that.
DirtyWater04
Absolutely not.
99socalfrc
Bloom knows what he is doing here. Zero cost, Hosmer will bounce a zillion balls off the monster, shift being outlawed in 2023 will add 20 points to Hosmer’s average.
MafiaBass
Sigh… ok. I’m not a huge fan of this guy, but he is way better than what the Sox have at first base right now. Maybe the Red Sox can send their 3 4A players back to Worcester and they can develop in the actual major league contributors.
JoeBrady
but he is way better than what the Sox have at first base right now.
==================================
I have no idea how some RS fans don’t understand this. Cordero is awful I have some remaining faith in Dalbec, but he’s been weak. I see little chance that a Dalbec/Hosmer platoon doesn’t out-perform Dalbec/Cordero.
Cooperdooper7
Hosmer @ 6 1/2 mill per year is a Solid deal for the Red Sox…. his offensive #’s will go up at Fenway as his swing fits at Fenway.
JPR
Before the day is over Hosmer will have been traded to and by every team not on his NT list
KyleT
Petco is one of the worst hitters ballparks. Hosmer is going to Fenway, one of the best. This means his numbers should get a small boost. Lets see what money comes with him, and prospects go back, before calling in the lynch mobs.
Moff_Nick
Petco has zero impact on hosmer not being able to hit the ball in the air.
99socalfrc
Imagine how many grounders he might get out of the infield if there was no shift….. Just a thought
Ancient Pistol
I wonder how long it will be till the Bloom years are behind us?
Bobby smac9
@Dark### probably three. RS brass is going to give him a few more years at least. They knew from the get go that this was not a quick turn around. That said, if this team improves in that timeline,…….
Kruk's Beer League
Buying prospects.
JoeBrady
Up next, JDM for Snell & Voit, and we pick up everyone’s salary.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
We don’t want Snell or Voit. Snell can hardly pitch through 5 innings
DirtyWater04
Ah yes give us all the big money, broken down starters! Sale, Snell, and Paxton with an occasional Eovaldi appearance would absolutely dominate the rehab circuit.
rct
Very small sample size, and mostly from when he was younger, but Hosmer owns a .354/.404/.485/.889 slash line at Fenway in his career, the 3rd best OPS he has in any ballpark (his best is, coincidentally, in Washington, though in only nine games).
Dennis Boyd
Great pickup for Boston on lowered salary. He had to go, though, as Padres now have 4 better 1B options: Bell, Cronenworth, Myers and Voit. Painful lesson in overpay and no trade clause given by Preller. Wished he had learned the lesson…
VegasSDfan
Voice is gone. Which is good
shanefalco50
Padres call him “Eric Hosedme”…………..
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Why? It might give us the needed first basemen but for the next two years? Wat is up with this? No need to keep Dalbec now.
I thought Bloom’s job was to get rid of the bad contracts? Doesn’t look like all the details are here though.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I take this back as we aren’t paying most of it. Makes sense now.
Shaun owens
Does anyone know what LeBron James thinks about this move?
LouWhitakerHOF
Hosmer will go from hitting in SD, SF and LAD to parks like Bos, NYY, Balt. From the worst hitting parks to some of the best. A definite win for him.
JoeBrady
I didn’t look at it, because I kind of don’t believe in it, but yeah, maybe:
Fenway .889
Camden .704
Rodgers .778
Tropicana .790
YS3 .825
BSHH
It must have been amazing to witness the communication between Preller and Hosmer: Hosmer first mulled, then nixed the trade to Washington, just to be disposed of shortly afterwards anyway. I don’t like Hosmer as a player or person, but Boston really took advantage of San Diego here.
Gruß,
BSHH
JoeBrady
That’s what I like about it. I don’t know the numbers, so I can’t be sure, but Preller was just a few hours away from Hosmer getting his 10/5 rights. And this isn’t being done out of the goodness of our hearts.
At a minimum, we needed a LF 1B. Like I said, I don’t know the cost, but this has to improve us.
Moff_Nick
Well that didn’t take long. Probably the best result for both parties.
Yankeesforever
the only thing left for the Red Sox to do is sign Cano and they will fulfill Bloom’s blueprint to becoming the laughingstock of baseball.
Otto371
This is a great trade.
Yankeesforever
for San Diego.
PutPeteinthehall
No the Soto trade was if he stays healthy. Hosmer basically was a gift to the Red Sox since they must not have been on his no trade list. Padres could have just released him. A dozen cellar dwellers would
have been begging him
to sign.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Well it’s not so bad considering Padres are paying most of the contract off.
Beachbummer
Some of these people are stupid. Hosmer for free is a GREAT deal. Great clubhouse guy, great defensive firstbaseman and passable hitter especially compared to what the Sox were playing at 1b. I would have been elated if the Rays had gotten him. He’s not your prototypical 1b but he’s a winner and unfortunately will be a part of the next competitive red Sox team.
acell10
people crapping on this trade are missing the point. The sox are getting Hosmer for basically nothing and hopefully getting a high end prospect too.
KyleT
How would that work? They could release Hosmer then and keep the prospect.
acell10
because for the sox to eat any portion of the contract San Diego will more than likely be giving something in return to the Sox
KyleT
Your saying at league minimum, Hosmer doesn’t have any value? If you say so.
SteveZ
Nothing wrong with this deal. But Hosmer is a big name that makes this seem more significant than it is. Sox needed a professional first baseman. Acknowledgment by Bloom that he was negligent in the offseason filling this position. And it doesn’t exactly make me think they are seriously still trying to make a playoff run.
Tiger_diesel92
Hosmer may do better in the AL east since it’s more hitter friendly then the NL west. We’ll see how it goes.
PaulSimon
Steve adams fingers gon be tired after today
Sideline Redwine
You really saved your fingers by eliminating the “ing to be” from your post! Way to go!
MuleorAstroMule
He ingeniously passed off the labor to you and I bet you didn’t even get paid for it.
PaulSimon
Are you trying to be funny?
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Hosmer has a 112 OPS+ this year. That’s pretty good.
13 mil per year for 3 years plus the Padres are picking up at least half that. I don’t really see a downside for the Red Sox.
outinleftfield
Not half, but a significant amount.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I’m seeing this more into picture now. Bloom basically gets Hosmer for not much money at all. He could produce enough for us and we barely pay. In the meantime, he frees up money to go after Bogaerts or Devers with a bit more cash (or other places).
PutPeteinthehall
Exactly!
El Duderino
Maybe I’m old. Maybe I have some OCD.
I just hate the word “miscue” being used for “mistake” because they mean different things. The first base coach doesn’t “cue” the first baseman to catch the ball.
Hate me, and I know I deserve it.
That said, I’m surprised that Hosmer perhaps thought he could stay on a potential championship team.
JoeBrady
Where I come from, a miscue is a mistake. It happens when you have $20 on the game, don’t chalk up you cue stick, and miss a shot. That’s a miscue that became a mistake.
acmeants
Is Boston sending anyone back to SD?
Sideline Redwine
If the Pads are paying, Boston can dump him whenever–he won’t stop a prospect from coming up. Great pick up imo–Boston needs help in defense, starting at 1B.
nbresnak
Hosmer can mostly start vs Righties and Dalbec vs Lefties.
Hosmer helps with the infield defense but blocks Casas somewhat for the time being.
How much are the Padres paying? That’s the key here.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I don’t think Dalbec is staying here much longer. He doesn’t have much future here with Casas.
KyleT
Casas is lefty, Hosmer is lefty, Dalbec is righty. Dalbec should stay as right-handed platoon. Move Hosmer after season is over or at next year’s trading deadline, (Depending on Casas’s growth).
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I don’t think Hosmer will be as easily moveable as you think. He’s likely here to stay.
DirtyWater04
If they can’t trade him then they can release him and only owe him whatever amount San Diego isn’t paying….
Cam
Move Hosmer where? The Pads had to pay his entire salary just to get him off their books. What makes you think anyone else would want him full stop?
KyleT
Why wouldn’t somebody want him “full stop”?. —-Average hitter, average defense, league minimum. A team in need of a 1st baseman, maybe due to injury. If not just release him. It costs, next to nothing.
acmeants
What the heck is up with these ice cream shop unis?
PKCasimir
222 comments and no one even knows what the specifics of the trade are. I’m glad you guys weren’t planning D-Day.
MuleorAstroMule
Looking back I didn’t accomplish much of anything in my zygote days, let alone a massive naval invasion. Oh well, regrets…
sox4ever
So the Sox are buying? If only they had a catcher
JoeBrady
I like McGuire. Good defensive catcher, and hit a bit with TO.
Win Cor
Wow! Better Lucky than Good!…San Diego front Office is a Shitcase Whirlibird …totally embarrased themselves….But they got Juan Soto and that is all that matters.
Let’s call this ‘Shildt’s Revenge !!!”
skip 2
Call it what you want but there not F’in around!
outinleftfield
Hearing the Padres are eating $20 million of the $46 million Hosmer is due. Not sure who the Red sox are parting with in the trade.
teddyballgame
If the Sox take on salary it’ll be for prospects coming to Boston. Sox could send back a PTBNL or someone with little value to their future.
KyleT
If Red Sox are paying Hosmer 26M for 3.5 years remaining on his contract. That works out to 7.5M per season.
You don’t think Hosmer can produce enough for 7.5M per season? After all he already has 1.6WAR for this season, far ahead of the pace needed.
teddyballgame
I like Hosmer myself. He has negative value in a trade however and to offset that you get prospects and money or lots of money. Bloom is building some significant depth in the minors with this trade and the Astros trade. The four players he’s acquired have a good track record of production but never made a top 100 list.
PutPeteinthehall
According to what I read the Red Sox are only responsible for 800k
per season with the Padres paying the rest. It was a steal of a guy that batted 565 times last year and was slightly above average.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
And there are the prospects.
Deleted Userr
You can add this one to the “things come full circle” category. Preller supposedly had a deal in place to draft Groome at #24 back in 2016 if he was still on the board.
Devlsh
This just in….
** SD’s new #2 prospect, Luke Schmuldigan (formerly #146 in the system) is being offered in trade, along with their new #3 Jason Roberts (formerly #153)..
** SD has also announced the signing of 12 street free agents, who now rank # 13-24 among their prospects.
** All SD minor league affiliates have suspended play until they are able to field a complete team.
DiehardFriarsFan
Hosmer should add some help for Boston at 1st Base and DH as well. Wish you the best Big Hoz!
Moneyballer
Hosmer and Pham going to be the spark that starts a fire and leads this team to the division title! ⚡️
NineChampionships
What a strange trade for Bos. Ferguson and Rosier are interesting but giving up on Groome..
yes
This is like getting Jake Bauers for Will Benson..
A sweet nothing except that Boston pays through the teeth.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Looks like the Padres are trying to see if they can dispose their entire top 30 list of prospects in a span of a trade deadline. Quite impressive actually. Another two bite the dust.
Moneyballer
What happened to Jay Groome? Just didn’t pan out? He was a very high pick and someone they said would be a quick riser and rotation piece sooner rather than later. Well it’s later and still no breakthrough.
NineChampionships
40lbs is what happened to Mr Groome.
DirtyWater04
I’m surprised, last update I heard on him was that he was actually finally coming strong on the farm after having TJ and the COVID years as setbacks to his development. Guess the FO felt otherwise. I’m hoping the inclusion of Groome means Sox will not be on the hook for a substantial portion of the remaining salary.
soxshortstop
Now that they are including Jay Groome, I’m liking the deal less for the Red Sox. We have a ton of position players in the minors, but pitchers especially former first round pitchers are not a commodity. He did have TJ surgery and the Pandemic year as set backs. Bloom needs to stop acquiring fringe positional players unless you he dumps all those accumulated in trades for top pitching..
DirtyWater04
Nobody is trading top pitching, prospects or otherwise, for a pupu platter of 7 AAAA-at-best infield/utility guys.
gronk
Didn’t see Groomes Boston tenure ending this way when we “stole” the highest rated pitching prospect in that draft with the 12th pick.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Sox scored on this one. Prospects. Salary pretty much paid. Not bad.
PutPeteinthehall
Not every player on one team can make 20-30m a season. Red Sox stole Hosmer. He’s a serviceable, slightly above average player that they are paying league minimum to. Allows them to get another player or two with the savings. Apparently he wasn’t going to move unless it was a team he didn’t have the no trade clause with. This sure seems like a knee jerk reaction by Preller after the refusal to go to Washington.
Pads Fans
That is a HUGE F.U. to Hosmer. We want you gone so bad we will pay ALL of your salary to get rid of you, Just GTFOH,
Silas
It’s like I’m watching that scene from Moneyball with Brad Pitt furiously making phone calls one after the other
Allerdings
Interesting that the Padres will pay all of Hosmer’s salary and gave up prospects. Why not just release him? They must really like Groome.
Luke Strong
SD basically DFA’d him. Once this happens to a player, it’s the beginning of the end of any stability in their career, they are so easily expendable going forward and probably never going to get enough playing time to reestablish themselves.
KyleT
“probably never going to get enough playing time”
Except, immediately, as soon as he gets to Boston. Because he becomes the starting First baseman.
william-2
In the immortal words of Roger Smith “Fun. Not a lot of Fun, but still……….”
Datashark
Max Ferguson stats are straight out of Moneyball – he has more walks than hits.
He is the king of walks
rhswanzey
I have much more of a problem with where this team was in March then what it did at the deadline. I think Vazquez was an obvious extension candidate… but the real problem was not replacing Ottavino from an already thin RH relief corps, not having a better plan B at first base than Travis Shaw, and not acquiring a starting RF after trading your starting RF.
They’ve had bad injury luck and inconsistent execution, but they also intentionally went into the season with three obvious holes. And one of them, the RF issue, was self inflicted.
manosthof
I mean, he’s better than Dalbec and Cordero and he’s basically free so how could anyone complain about this.
KyleT
They’ll find a way.
whyhayzee
A veteran winner free. Dumped a disappointing prospect and got a couple back. Now if they can just get the Astros to send back their catcher …
Deleted Userr
What is Preller doing? At this point they’d be better off just DFAing Hosmer!
jekporkins
I don’t get it either. He trades Hosmer and two prospects plus pays all his contract. Why not DFA him? He’d at least have his prospects which I suspect the farm needs since they traded a few for Soto…
KyleT
San Diego GM being a bit spiteful. He basically DFA’ed Hosmer, but prevented him from picking his landing spot.
juanc-2
They are clearly high on Groome.
KyleT
Theyre high alright.
Im pretty sure next season Groome has to stick on MLB roster or be waived (someone correct me if Im wrong). Padres sent back two players that don’t have to be counted against the 40-Man Roster. Red Sox’s 40-man will be tight next year.
I hope Groome works out, and was looking forward to him trying to crack the Red Sox rotation next year. But, that walk rate is scary. Good luck Jay!
Deleted Userr
Groome doesn’t have to stick on a ML roster or be cut until 2024.
KyleT
Thx
all in the suit that you wear
Chicken: Exactly and Groome has not been the same pitcher since Tommy John surgery. His velocity is only 88-92 now.
all in the suit that you wear
Harambe: Correct. Next year is Groome’s third option year. The Red Sox have prospects better than Groome to protect from the Rule 5 Draft later this year. So, Groome would likely lose his 40 man spot later this year.
99socalfrc
The Padres payroll is a total disaster. They are now on the hook for $18m in luxury tax hit for Hosmer each of the next 3 seasons.
This guy was hitting .272 and had wRC of 106. Preller is a clown, how can you just pay the entire salary to trade that guy. You couldn;t find anyone to pay $3m a year for him? Total desperation
eephus11
Gotta be his last shot at this. What an ownership group in San Diego that is fitting the bill for all of these adventures!! Headlines is all they have to show for it.
eephus11
What a dream job to be able to throw around resources like a video game and have the owners let you fail repeatedly. This has to be his last shot since they’ve burned the future both prospect wise and payroll wise.
CNichols
They save a little on future years CBT by doing it this way. Only the cash they are paying for Hosmer each year counts against the CBT instead of his AAV.
So if they’re paying BOS like $12.3M next year for him, that counts against the tax for SD instead of his AAV which is $18M.
99socalfrc
Interesting, I didn’t know that’s how it works. It still seems pretty weird to pay basically ALL of a guys salary to go play elsewhere.
KyleT
Im pretty sure the 18M will stay the same against the tax. Otherwise, teams would be trading bad contracts all the time.
CNichols
That’s not how it worked when the Sox traded David Price. Only the money they paid to LAD counted against the tax for them. So when Price’s AAV was $31M, and BOS paid $16M per year, that’s all that counted against the CBT for them and LAD had the other $15M.
What’s unique about Hosmer is his deal was front loaded. So SD can pay basically all of his remaining contract and still lower the CBT number because all that counts is the cash they send for him.
KyleT
Agree on Price’s salary. But thats different. Price’s AAV and Salary was relatively the same (31M). So 16+15 equals the AAV. In this case, the contract was front-loaded. So his salary is 13M and AAV is 18M. The two sharing teams still have to account for the total AAV of 18M, just as they did in the Price deal. That money doesnt vanish from the books. (If Im understanding what you saying).
JoeBrady
I was wondering about that myself. If Hosmer’s AAV is $18M, then that $18M follows him to Boston, less the $12M+ SD is paying. I think it cost the RS minimum wage in real money, but $5M in AAV.
OTOH, they can trade his contract to almost any number of teams under the cap, where the AAV doesn’t matter. KC, for example, can trade for Hosmer, and it would cost them nothing to get a 1.8 WAR player.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
This was a good move on Bloom’s end now that all the details are here, however, not trading JD Martinez was a huge mistake. We have a small chance of making the playoffs. Even the O’s are ahead of us.
Rsox
After paying Sandoval to play for the Giants for two years and Price with the Dodgers the last three years I’m ok with the Padres paying $44 mil for Hosmer to play for the Sox. Maybe they luck out and he becomes Mitch Moreland, worse case cut him and let the Padres worry about it
Horace Fury
There was a change starting this season as to how contract years are figured into a CBT payroll when a player is traded. In Hosmer’s case, the contract was front-loaded with $20MM years, and then the final three (2023-25) are at $13MM per. It used to be that the acquiring team was still stuck with the overall average for the full contract. Now the new rule says that a new average is determined for just the years in the contract that the acquiring team is getting. So the CBT amount is $13MM/yr. Since SD is paying all but $240K (according to Spotrac) a year, SD should be looking at a CBT hit of $12.7MM/yr for the next three years, and the Sox less than a quarter million a year for that same period.
JoeBrady
Thanks for the info.
KyleT
Im having trouble believing thats completely accurate. I’ll give you an example:
If I sign a player to a 6 year 132 million contract, and load it as such:
————-Salary———AAV
Year 1 —- 40M——– 22M
Year 2 —- 40M——– 22M
Year 3 —- 40M——– 22M
Year 4 —– 2M——— 22M
Year 5 —– 2M——— 22M
Year 6 —– 2M——— 22M
All I have to do is trade the player after Year 3 and can avoid accounting for 60 million of the contract on anyone’s Salary Threshold. Seems like a loophole waiting to be exploited.
KyleT
My math was a little off:
Contract total would be 6 years for 126 M, (4ox3) + (2×3)= 126M
AAV would be 21M. (21×6)=126M
Every other number would be the same. Still resulting in 60 Million being eliminated from books.
If true, this is NFL level crappy accounting.
whyhayzee
And the Red Sox are undefeated in August.
Not a bad couple of days.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Sox fans should be happy with this trade. The Padres are paying $44M and including two prospects in exchange for Groome, who’s now ranked 11th in the Padres’ system. Hosmer has a 112 OPS+ and a .333 BA vs. southpaws. He’s struck out only 55 times, which should be a nice change for Sox fans used to a K% of 32% and above from each of Cordero, Dalbec and Shaw.
Cincyfan85
I don’t know about you guys but I feel like Jay Groome has been a prospect since I was in high school. I’m 37…
Deleted Userr
My biggest question remains unanswered: When the Red Sox go to play the Blue Jays at Rogers Centre on September 30th and Eric Hosmer gets placed on the restricted list for not being vaccinated, do the Padres still have to pay the Red Sox for those days?
all in the suit that you wear
Players are not paid and do not accrue service time when sitting out due to being unvaccinated. So, no one has to pay Hosmer in that scenario.
Deleted Userr
That’s… not what I asked
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
My assumption is yes because it’s a salary, not hourly
CNichols
This could be 2020 specific, but when David Price opted out of the season the Red Sox no longer had to pay their share of the money they had agreed to pay for him in 2020.
I think opting out effectively placed him on the restricted list, so best guess would be if Hos goes on the restricted list it’s handled the same way and SD is off the hook.
Amanda
I have never in my life seen this team more directionless, i rather them loose 110 games, atleast then they can simply tell fans’ were rebuilding’ , they have won 4 WS series since 2004, most teams would kill to win 1, NOBODY is tear them apart if they go through a few years of bad rosters, but this? atrocious, i guess the only other team i can compare them to are the angels, no hope and no direction, a good( not great) team with no future, its the same with us, granted i do think Bostons a tick better, i mean we havent fired our manager( even though we should or i hope he doesnt manage next year) but either way, these are 2 franchises with absolutely no plan, Pedro Martinez, the greatest pitcher we EVER had, said last night on the MLB network he doesnt see any path forward for boston, thank god we have a man who says exactly what needs to be said.
KyleT
“the only other team i can compare them to are the angels, no hope and no direction”
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Boston 53-53, .500
LA Ang 44-60, 423
Prospects in the Top 100 as of BA America: Boston 5, Anaheim 1
Past 10 Years:
Boston – Playoffs 5, Series Won 8, WS Won 2
LA Ang – Playoffs 1, Series Won 0,. WS Won 0
Good thing you think Boston is “a tick better”.
JoeBrady
We’re .500 despite having given 38 starts to pitchers that weren’t supposed to be part of our regular rotation. IMO, when (if) our SPs return, so will we.