Since being acquired by the Padres in a surprising deadline trade, Josh Hader’s San Diego tenure has gotten off to a rough start. The All-Star has been scorched for six runs over his last three outings and 1 1/3 innings of work, and as a result, Hader has temporarily lost the closer’s job. As Padres manager Bob Melvin told reporters (including The Athletic’s Dennis Lin), the team will deploy a committee for the ninth inning, while giving Hader “a little break” from save situations.
This obviously isn’t the outcome the Padres were hoping for when they gave up a significant prospect package to the Brewers on August 1, in addition to taking on the remainder of Hader’s $11MM salary for the 2022 season. However, it is worth noting that we’re dealing with a very small sample size of 3 1/3 total innings for Hader in a Padres uniform. In three of his five appearances, Hader has allowed two hits and a walk over 2 2/3 scoreless frames — but, in his other two outings, the Giants and Nationals each scored three runs off the right-hander. The result is a 16.20 ERA for Hader since coming to San Diego.
These recent struggles also underline Hader’s dropoff in performance since the start of June. Hader didn’t allow a single earned run over his first 19 appearances of the season, but over his last 19 2/3 innings, his ERA is a whopping 10.07, with three blown saves in 14 chances. For comparison’s sake, Hader only blew three saves total during the 2020-21 seasons.
It is quite possible that Hader might regain his form once he gets a few more games under his belt in San Diego, and in this scenario, it might not be long before he is Melvin’s top choice at closer once again. In the interim, the Padres could turn to any of Robert Suarez, Luis Garcia, Adrian Morejon, or Nick Martinez in save situations, depending on recent usage or specific situations.
Again, buyer beware with Diaz. Do not give closers large contracts. They are never worth it!
Yea he was below average and then mediocre and now finally excelling in his walk year
He had been excellent in Seattle which is why the Mets got him. He was able to right this ship this season but inconsistent for sure. When he’s on he’s the best closer in the game by far.
Emmanuel Clase would like a word.
And he will be told to sit down
Diaz will sit down, I agree. Diaz not in Clase’s “class”. Have to laugh at NY fans who don’t follow the rest of the Major League teams.
Trying to hotshot your way to the World Series by making several big time and show off moves that the simpleton fans love never ever works. Team needs to learn how to win and lose on its own with homegrown players, that way they coulda learned about Tatis not being a team player, not gave him that mega contract and retanked and avoided embarrassing themselves by not handing out all those stupid contracts. But then what would you adhd fans have to cheer about?
I had to create an account to say this is the dumbest comment ive ever seen! LOL!!
Never?
I still wish the Cardinals had resigned Luis Garcia. Really could have used him more than VerHagen, etc.
Garcia has been sound in inconsequential outings. When game is on line he’s been godawful
Luis Garcia was good in a Cardinals uniform, but they’ve been getting great contributions from Andre Pallante, and Jojo Romero will be a great addition if he can maintain control which was also Luis Garcias issue before coming to STL as well. If Flaherty comes back healthy I suspect Dakota Hudson will he moved to the bullpen
Hudson has been so bad, I’ve actually talked myself into believing that Flaherty might come back.
A break? He hasn’t pitched much and when he does he implodes. Padres you gotta call the better business bureau. You got absolutely throated by the brewers in this trade.
It’s been a bad trade for both teams thus far. Rogers has a ERA of 7.94 since being traded to the Brewers.
That being said, Padres definitely gave up too much to acquire Hader.
And when the Brewers DFAd Lamet, there were comments saying that the Brewers got fleeced. I get a trade can be an L for both teams sometimes, but maybe we should give it more than two weeks before we declare anyone is outright fleeced.
Fair, there are prospects that were traded as well that need years before can be fully judged.. but now you also have to pay hader arb this off-season.. so now more expensive where the brewers have no money tied to Rogers after this year
Hader more on track to be cut rather than see another arbitration raise. That is a lot of arb cheddar on a bounce back reliever. Guessing a 8-10m prove it deal somewhere else next season.
Why should anyone give it more time? People say all kinds of dumb stuff immediately after the fact, usually whenever a star player gets traded they love the trade for the team getting the established player because they haven’t heard of the prospects. Then 6 months later the prospect is the best player in the trade and they switch their opinion. Nobody holds them accountable and they go on their life blissfully ignorant thinking they actually know what they’re talking about.
usually whenever a star player gets traded they love the trade for the team getting the established player because they haven’t heard of the prospects.
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LOL! I posted almost the same thing before reading your. You are spot on correct.
that IS often the case, but i wouldn’t say so necessarily right now. i definitely have issue with how melvin 1) put him in tie games and 2) ran him out in successive ones after he had been clearly scuffling. give him save situations only. now they took it away which might kill his confidence.
@iverbure and @JoeBrady I agree. We will see that come to fruition with the Soto trade in 3 years (I expect him to still be the best player involved in that trade at that point but not to still be a Padre).
there were comments saying that the Brewers got fleeced.
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Most of the posters, and most of the writers, generally thing that whoever got the bigger name, won the trade. A couple of posters and writers will look at the prospects, but it is a bit unusual.
have you seen the garbage you gave us for hader?
one dude we released before throwing a single pitch for us.
I’d call it even so far.
Yea, but that was a salary dump in Lamet and whoever claimed him in waivers is now paying him. So, really not a ton lost for the Brewers other than whatever Lamet does this year.
Lamer was a toss in cmon now. Be better then that. Do some research.
Stand by my point….you gave up garbage to get garbage. Congrats….
Lol you don’t have a point. Your just cluelessly embarrassing yourself.
Rockies claimed Lamet
afsooner0217 hours ago
one dude we released before throwing a single pitch for us.
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It was a salary dump to even up the cost The brewers cutting him is meaningless in context of the trade.
Not a break, but a break from save chances.
Padres are seriously and thoroughly cursed. 3 of the 4 guys Preller traded for are scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of performance, It’s time for Preller to go.
Why? Because hes responsible for the players under performing WHEN they got to San Diego?
Hader was underperforming before he got to SD.
Amen. He was clearly not himself this year which is why MIL was willing to deal him. They just slot Devin Williams into the closer role, but in all fairness this is not the Devin Williams of 2021.
Yes, he is responsible. That is his job description. He has failed at his job.
B-Strong18 hours ago
Why? Because hes responsible for the players under performing WHEN they got to San Diego?
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Hader’s ERA n his last ten games with Mil was 14.04..
It is a bit too soon to panic. The team needs time to play some more games together
Exactly give it time Hader just had a baby then his mechanics are off got traded to a new team was tipping his pitches that’s a lot on his plate he’ll figure it out
Do you have an article on him tipping pitches? link? not arguing, just wondering.
Don’t have a link but read it in an interview on a San Diego Union tribune article – it was quoting Hader.
yardbarker.com/mlb/articles/amp/tipping_pitches_so…
He is absolutely tipping his pitches. Before he was traded brewerfanatic, I believe, had an article on the deepness of his breathes before throwing a fastball vs a slider It was very noticeable. As an everyday Brewers fan, I also noticed the time it takes for him to set delivery on offspeed vs fastball. He was extensively quicker getting set on the windup/stretch to the fastball vs the slider. All it would take is a hitter to notice this discrepancy for things to go awry. Players today seem to know when a slider is coming (something that Hader doesn’t locate in strike zone even semi-consistently but is a huge KO pitch) vs the fastball. The ability to lock into one of the 2 pitches has definitely added in his ERA rise.
If it was discovered that Hader is tipping his pitches, why is it still happening?
Hader mentioned it against the giants a while back when he blew the save
If it was discovered that Hader is tipping his pitches, why is it still happening?
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I was wondering the same thing. The comment made it sound like everyone in the world knows exactly how Hader is tipping his pitches.. It’s been 7 weeks since Hader started pitching badly.
The Padres slide started in June. The players that Preller brought in have failed to play up to even their previous levels of performance. That means Preller failed at his job. It is way past time for him to go.
hell no. you’re nuts. and so is anyone else who feels this way. you want him to go for it. then when he does on an epic level multiple times you sing his praises. then when whatever happens, you wanna bail so ridiculously fast. good grief. they had a shot at the world series this year until Tatis blew that completely out of the water. we’ll have a shot the next 2 years with most of our main guys locked up for that time period.
There’s almost no chance Preller goes.
If the Padres fail to make the playoffs there is a 100% chance he goes.
Polar bears
He honestly runs his team like someone running an NFL team on Madden. He just throws money and prospects at names and it pretty much never works out. They’ve consistently been one of the best teams on paper for the last few years and consistently underperform. He’s pretty much the anti-moneyball.
sick and tired of people blaming Preller. name me ONE GM who makes an effort ANYWHERE NEAR what Preller does. is it his fault melvin has been GARBAGE? is it his fault when the entire bullpen just about is injured? IS IT HIS FREAKING FAULT THAT TATIS IS EXPOSED AS A CHEATER? didn’t think so.
Every PBO/GM in MLB is making the effort, with the tools available, to the full extent. To suggest that Preller is trying harder than any other PBO/GM to win is absurd. Just because he tries differently than most, doesn’t mean he’s trying harder, but the jury is still out on his methods.
Sometimes PBOs/GMs get fired, not because they aren’t trying, but because their roster building falls short. Given the Padres’ current roster makeup, fans are entitled to their opinion on Preller’s performance.
BTW, every team has injuries, some much more than the Padres. And Melvin is not garbage, as his record attests. When manager after manager can’t deliver, you have to ask if the fault lies elsewhere.
But, if I were a Padres fan, I’d be concerned for the future of the team. Preller has taken a top 5 farm, and turned it into a bottom 5 farm. That would be okay if I thought the team was much for it.
Jerry Dipoto
Who hired Melvin? Who hired Tingler? Who hired Green?
At a certain point, the finger needs to be pointed at the one common thread: AJ the fantasy baseball GM.
Yes it is his fault. Or maybe fault is not the right word, responsibility is. It is Preller’s responsibility that he brought in players that have performed at league worst levels since the trades. He is responsible for knowing what is going on with Tatis. That is his job.
The Padres are on a 2 month losing trend with a .435 win percentage since late June. His job was to create a playoff caliber team. He failed to do his job. When you are not capable of doing your job, you get fired.
No excuses. Preller failed. The Padres won’t win this season and he traded away the ability for them to win consistently in the future. He has to go.
Was it Avila’s fault the TEN of Detroit’s starting pitchers ended up on the IL? Was it Avila’s fault that all the veteran players who did well last year, forgot how to hit this year? Was it his fault that the Manager and the coaching staff were unable to get the hitters out of their funk? Was it Avila’s fault that his top FA pitcher had marital problem? Didn’t matter. Just like Preller, and Daniels in Texas, Avila was in the position where the buck stops. They hire the managers, approve the coaches, hire the scouting director, Sign the players, etc… Can’t fire everyone.
the majority of Preller’s moves, even with the several bad ones, have been a net positive. period. you can’t even be silly enough to wanna debate otherwise. the rays are more injured than the Pads. and the Dodgers pitching. guess what… they have, and have paid for the incredible depth they have. and it’s why they’ll win 110 games.
spare me on melvin thus far. i’m going off what i’ve seen with his decision making, including things like game management where often there’s NO gray area, like being an idiot and challenging clear calls that won’t go your way.
there are actually braindead zombies that think joe maddon and bud black are good managers. and in the NFL where andy reid has a good eye for talent for the system he wants to run, but is ATROCIOUS at GAME MANAGEMENT. even worse, that doofus in dallas mike mccarthy who can’t coach himself out of a barrel.
THREE of those four won championships… and ALL are TRASH.
LMAOO comparing al avila to Preller… BAHHAHAHHAHAHA. al avila would be schooled by a B average student in middle school who had a baseball card collection. what a joke.
i’m sorry, you’d have to be an idiot to fire him when he can’t see this thing through. he has almost every main player back for the next 2 years.
1) 4 years of Yasmani Grandal for 1.5 years of Matt Kemp. Congrats, you gifted the division rival Dodgers a top 10 catcher.
2) Trea Turner for Wil Myers. He then proceeded to back up the Brinks truck to Myers, who never played up to expectations. Meanwhile, Turner is a top 5 SS in the game for arb prices.
3) Failing to disclose medical information on Drew Pomeranz and getting suspended for 30 days.
Those three alone, combined with zero playoff appearances outside of the shortened 2020 are fireable offenses.
Red Sox are the ones who failed to disclose medical information! Pomeranz didn’t miss any starts with the Red Sox! Anderson Espinoza needed TJ not once, but twice!
“the majority of Preller’s moves, even with the several bad ones, have been a net positive.”
Bro we’ve already established that this isn’t true. Hell I can probably name 10 bad Preller moves for every one good one you can name.
you haven’t established anything.
1)more trades than not have been good.
2) drafting & development has excelled which has enabled us to make all the trades for highly sought after stars and other very good players.
& 3) even with the disappointment of last year and our tenuous position this year… most of the seasons with Preller other than the first disastrous season. have exceeded what was being accomplished in by previous regimes.
yasmini grandal?!?! BAHAHAHAHHAHHAHA. you mean that COMPLETE locker room cancer? he made matt kemp look like a leader in the clubhouse. his teammates couldn’t stand him.
the Trea Turner (and Joe Ross) trade was terrible and i said as much LOUDLY when they made it. so was the Max Fried trade the same offseason. still a net positive in trades. and Preller has drafted great. and developed talent on a top 5 level of organizations. that’s how we’ve been able to continually trade minor leaguers for these attempts at great players and deep postseason runs.
1. I can name 10 bad Preller trades for every one good one you can name.
2. A. J. has been good at drafting. But development he has been arguably the worst in MLB. How many homegrown regulars do the Padres currently have?
3. He hasn’t accomplished anything. Hid only winning season so far was in a shortened season and the end result of that season was a NLDS exit.
Who besides you says Yasmani Grandal was a locker room cancer? Even if he was, he was pre-arb when they traded him which means if he was really a problem, the simple solution would have been to just non-tender him. They didn’t have to trade for Matt Kemp or any other underwater contract to get rid of Grandal.
Preller is not a net positive in trades. We’ve proven this. You could probably make a better team out of players Preller has traded than the one the Padres currently have. And that’s without spending the $400m+ Preller has spent.
Preller has been at least above average at drafting. I will say that. But he has been bottom 5 if not dead last at developing. The whole point of having all these prospects is for them to succeed AS PADRES! What is the point if you can’t close on your prospects?
Lastly I suspect I am talking to DeadliestCatch/thebighurt619/bringinthereliefpitcher.
Wait are the Padre cursed or is Preller the problem?
it’s time for people to STOP BLAMING PRELLER…. AND START BLAMING CHEATERS LIKE TATIS and a TRASHHHH MANAGER IN MELVIN.
Simmer down AJ. No need to be blasting the caps lock.
I think preller loves Cocaine
I agree the dude has no ethics, not very well liked among GM, but he still gets away with shady trades look at his tracked record …… if the Madres Gail to make the playoffs this year or next I bet he will be sweating bullets, but my guess he will be the next Rangers Gm
Neither of the last 2 games were even save opportunities for him…
since becoming a closer, hader hasnt been great in non save situations for whatever reason…
That’s most closers
for whatever reason? how about the fact he’s been scuffling & he has NO BUSINESS in a tie game or even a 1 run lead situation right now.
The Padres’ defense is as good as the Brewers’, Padres clubhouse is the worst in MLB.
Basis for your knowing Padres clubhouse is so bad? I watch games and see a lot of smiling and happy guys.
David Stearns cackles maniacally in the distance
If MLB was a government run operation the Commissioners Office would not allow AJ Preller to make deals with skilled FO execs such as David Stearns, Mike Rizzo, Chris Antonetti, Erik Neander, etc.
Or at least affix a warning label when Mr. Preller submits the paperwork for a trade; then if he still wants it to be approved subsequently charge the offending franchise a surtax when the transaction is consummated.
The Commissioners office would also provide Mr. Preller with a list of approved FO’s for him to trade with – starting with the Yankees, White Sox, and Angels.
Samuel is parody account.
And Williams blew a save today for the brewers
Yes, Williams blew the game today on a fisted flare. My gut says had Hader not starting melting down with the Crew, not only would they be 4 games better, he wouldn’t have gotten dealt. Offense or lack there of, is the Brewers demise
He also had 3 walks and didn’t finish the inning. But, I do agree it’s been some weird luck. I think he’s better than he’s been.
They scored 13 runs the last two days. It was pitching that cost them those games.
Still haven’t seen that padres fan that was talking all that smack on trade deadline day
Hader was terrible the last bunch of games before the trade deadline. The Brewers had to trade him then or wait til the off-season anyway. They couldn’t afford an 18 million closer. Maybe they saw something that said do it now or we get very little.
The Padres always make such dumb trades.
At least they got Tatis Jr in one of their deals! How’s he doing?
He’s one of the best young players in all of baseball.
You can’t be anything in baseball if you’re sitting at home.
The guy’s a stud who made a couple of mistakes. I know I’ve made my share personally and professionally. Give it a rest.
the guy looked like a stud thanks to PEDs
Tatis has played in less than half his teams games since being called up. He made multiple HUGE mistakes that cost him most off the 2022 season to injuries and then the balance of 2022 and a portion of 2023 to suspension. He compounded that by flat out lying about how it happened.
Studs are on the field everyday, Studs don’t do things like riding a motorcycle when they know an injury could impact the chance of their team winning. Studs don’t take steroids and then lie about it when caught.
He’s 23.
Cursed franchise. Expecting a longer wait for a WS championship than even the Cubs. Cubs fans used to say “wait til next year”, while us Pads fans now say “wait til the collapse”
Who cares about the stupid Cubs? They didn’t win for 100 years because every game was in the day and the players went out at night and partied for generations. Cursed? No. Inept? Possibly.
U mad bro?
Padres have a lot of games remaining in their division. For “bad” teams, Rockies, Dbacks, and Giants are plenty pesky. Dodgers have the Padres number. Not a betting person, but I like the Brewers chances.
Except the Brewers can’t beat the Cubs
Maybe David Stearns was on to something
I’m sure Stearns discussed Hader with the coaching staff. They couldn’t afford to “fix” him with 2 months remaining in the season. His last year anyway
It seems like the Brewers moved Hader before his trade value went completely down the drain. Relievers are extremely volatile and most can’t be trusted long term. This should serve as a warning sign for any team looking to make Diaz the first $100MM reliever this winter
If Hader continues to struggle hard, is there a non-zero chance that they even consider non-tendering him? I highly doubt it and I’m not denting it’s super early to speculate anything like that, but could that even be a possibility?
Is Preller back next year if they don’t get a WC?
He has the ultimate excuse. Tatis screwed him.
Good point
With the bloated payroll they are saddled with no GM should be able to blame missing one player. One player shouldn’t make or break their playoff odds especially with the broader wildcard setup.
He shouldn’t be.
I see what you’re saying mlb1225 but it’s absolutely not even Within consideration. Bounce back candidate after a rough few outings. If it’s a rough year he’ll bounce back next season. Absolutely no way they let him walk and become an All-Star elsewhere.
@mlb1225 not even close to a possibility, you dont know ball for even thinking this. It’s Josh Hader, he’s been the best RP in the game up until this. Dont even bother asking such dumb questions in future, come on. Yeah, SD gave up those 4 guys for nothing. Such a bad, obvious question with an immediate answer.
You’re getting so bitter and overly defensive over a simple, theoretical question.
That’s A’sfaninLexington. He’s a knucklehead. We know I’m over on the basketball site and we’ve tried to run him off but he keeps coming back.
Your post is legitimate.
You’re in good company by the way. I supposedly “don’t know ball” either LOL
I think it’s debatable who doesn’t know baseball, because Hader absolutely has not been ” the best RP in the game up until this”.
Last season, sure, he had a 341 ERA+. This season he had a 95 ERA+ with the Brewers before the trade. That’s roughly 5% below league average. Did Preller think Hader was suddenly going to revert to last season’s form?
@tad2b13
Perhaps YOU should look at Hader’s career history. This is his 6th year. His ERA+?
2017-213
2018-168
2019-170
2020-122
2021-341
2022-77
Career ERA+: 163
Now looking at these career numbers, which year is the outlier?
I have looked at Hader’s career numbers., even though they’re fairly irrelevant.
As several other posters have pointed out to me, what a player did 4, 5, or 6 years ago, isn’t that illustrative. What is, is what he’s done lately. And that’s more true for relievers than anyone else.
No position in baseball is more subject to being effective one season,, and suddenly ineffective the next, than relievers. It’s why giving relievers, especially closers, big contracts is foolish.
Regardless, I don’t think acquiring Hader was that wise, given that he’s performing far below his average this season, his walk year.
Jomboy did some research on Hader’s arm delivery angle (distance between the ground and his arm while releasing the pitch). It’s been incrementally going up every season. This could mean wear-and-tear is perhaps causing fraying/inflammation in the elbow or shoulder, and the discomfort is forcing him to keep his arm more elevated while pitching, making him more ineffective since the lower arm slot causes more deception for the hitters. Hader is not injured, per se, but could be headed for an injury; or at least be starting the downward trend of losing velocity as a pitcher logs miles and ages.
Hader has also had personal distractions in dealing with a newborn child with a health issue…
Jomboy is a tool
Gotta give the Brewers credit for knowing when to sell on Hader.
Let’s don’t give up on him yet. He’s been lights out for a few years. I think he’ll come back.
The Padres sure as heck aren’t giving up on him. Fixing his mechanics with limited time left in the season, is surely possible. Putting him in high leverage situations is risky until they’re sure all is good
Matt Vierling broke him.
“a significant prospect package” no, they gave up their own MLB level closer, Taylor Rogers, Dinelson Lamet, and 2 prospects who werent in their top 5.
Clay Holmes was lights-out until after the break. He pitched in the All-Star Game. Then he lost the closer role. Turns out he has back pain. It’s possible that he’s done as a closer, but I doubt it.
When the Pads traded for Hader, I pointed out that Rogers had better numbers at the time and on paper it looked like a better trade for the Brewers. I don’t say this to gloat (no Yankee fan is in a position to gloat with the team in free fall). But it’s possible Hader is hurt.
These guys are constantly dealing with a conflict: Should I “tough it out” and play through the pain or lose playing time and possibly my spot and put up with accusations of being soft and “not a gamer”? And if I play through the pain, will I do serious damage and ruin my career?
Hader has thrown only 3.1 innings, but he’s faced 22 batters. If I were Preller, I’d be ordering an MRI.
Maybe Hader is dealing with something physically. He was lights out up until about a week before the all star break. He just never got it back. A few flashes but very wild.
Yeah, Holmes was still hitting 99 MPH but was walking guys.
Brewers need to trade with the Pads more often, 2 for 2 now
I’d take Darvish over Lauer all day long
Lauer wasn’t traded for Darvish dude.
Didn’t say he was. Value transfers. Cubs got nothing for Darvish. U know. Plus can’t complain about Davies 2.73 ERA with Pads. That deal leans to Pads still.
Cubs just wanted to be out from under Darvish’s salary. And no value does not transfer. The two were not traded for one another, ego the two are not relevant to one another.
And Zach Davies was pretty inconsequential.
We obviously disagree a bit. But I’m curious, in what way was Davies inconsequential, by helping get the Pads into the playoffs after coming over from Brewers, or by pitching 150 innings for Cubs in return for Darvish and Caratini?
Davies was below replacement level for the Cubs and idk why they traded for him in the first place considering he was a rental and they are rebuilding. We then found out he is a garbage human being with a mom who is a Karen.
Yes it was good fortune, or smart for those who like to give Preller some inkling of credit, to use him in 2020 when he excelled, then trade him away (for substantial upgrade) in 2021. The 4 prospects in the deal with Cubs aren’t exactly looking ML viable so far. Cassie might still develop into something, but the other 3 not likely ever. So not much help in the Chi rebuild
Once again, what the Cubs really wanted was to dump Darvish’s contract. They were one year removed from throwing a hissy fit after he declined to opt out of it. Trading him allowed them to, in a sense, opt themselves out of it.
Of course that’s what they were trying to do but they got nothing in return. Many GMs have fared better with Preller.
What they got in return was dumping the Darvish contract.
of course, but they could have received so much more and didn’t. A Preller win by every metric
If they could have received more why didn’t they?
poor evaluation of prospects by Cubs
At the time it was the best offer they could get. If there was another offer that they liked better from someone else they’d have taken it. I know Preller loses most of the trades that he makes but I still don’t think teams are so eager to trade with him that they leave technically superior trade returns on the table to do so.
do you know what the other offers were? The Pads apparently offered other prospects from a pool for selection. The Cubs were very high on Reginald Preciado and Yeison Santana, and they haven’t worked out to date. Cassie Owen isn’t yet a lost cause however. Bottom line is that trade aint looking goof for Cubbies. Win/Lose on trades is highly subjective to the evaluator, and I’m not as inclined to play that game as some. But in response to the post above that said “Brewers 2 for 2 now in trades with Pads”, I felt inclined to comment.
No! But I do know that the Cubs took the offer they felt was the strongest. I also know that for them, the actual “return” was dumping Darvish.
Okay! Yeah in most cases (unless they’re in quiet-quitting mode) GMs have the best intentions at time of trade
Preller has not lost most of his trades. sorry harambe.
Yes he has.
Things people talk about when the actual game of baseball bores them
Hader is a lefty.
Seriously?
The right hander?
Hader, 9 of 22 runs scored against him this year were by the Giants in 2 games, once as a Brewer, the other as a Padre. Possible the Giants detected that he was tipping pitches
Is A.J snake bit ? If they don;t make the playoff”s is he fired 😕 Prospects for trades, and a bundle spent on a 80 game suspension. YIKES !
when will people start calling melvin to task. he’s been absolutely ATROCIOUS. dumb @$$ challenges. running people out to pitch who are scuffling. and oh yeah, HEY GENIUS… some closers SUCK pitching in a tie game. ESPECIALLY ONE WHO’S BEEN SHAKY. Trevor Hoffman did too. how about letting Hader get a save in a game with a 2 or 3 run lead to get in a groove and build some confidence. which OH BY THE WAY, stripping him of the closer role is NOT gonna do & NOT gonna help the situation. it’s not freaking rocket science!
what a disaster of a year. Preller’s done EVERYTHING to make this team a champion or have a shot. Tatis is an embarrassment, no one can hit with runners in scoring position, & our supposed gold star manager SUCKS. and guess who all the braindead dimwits will blame. PRELLER.
AJ the Rastaman;
You should audition for Saturday Night Live.
Saturday night posts on Saturday night live. Makes sense. Probably make more sense tomorrow. And less exclamation points.
Machado is clutch isn’t he?
If Melvin saves Hader for games with a 2, or 3 run lead to build his confidence, who’s going to close those 1 run, or tied games? The scuffling, shaky guys?
Hader IS the scuffling, shaky guy.
We should be calling you to task for failing to make a logical point in your posts.
How do the Padres trade for Hader, Soto, Bell and Drury and then lose more? SD’s annual collapse is consistent if nothing else, their ability to screw things up is truly impressive.
#FireAJ
No. Are you forgetting the 50 years before he got here? This man is bringing excitement and contention and playoffs possibilities to this city which previously had two in my lifetime. Okay maybe three.
…..and therein lies the rub.
The excitement is no longer cute. Pads made the playoffs once in his tenure and were immediately smacked down by the Dodgers. There’s a difference between acquiring players and constructing a winning roster. Tingler was the scapegoat last year. Preller is on the chopping block this year if the team can’t make it out of round 1 in the playoffs (assuming they even make it.)
How many playoff appearances in full seasons since Preller took over in San Diego? Zero you say? Exactly.
Outinleftfield, you’re right but I’m trying to look at this positively. Can’t stand it when management is shuffled in and out every other year. Yes 8 years has been plenty of time so I get what you’re saying.
GaryWarriorsRedSox16 hours ago
No. Are you forgetting the 50 years before he got here? This man is bringing excitement and contention and playoffs possibilities
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One could argue that it Seidler bringing that to the city, not Preller. If Preller had a $150M payroll instead of $230M, he wouldn’t be .500. Preller has been there 10 years. He’s been .500 twice, including this year, and the short 2020 season.
Lol AJ. Good trade, dawg
Hader to NYY for Aroldis Chapman. Who says no?
Still an easy no for San Diego.
I’d do it in a heartbeat so that’s an easy no for SD. They def would be interested in Chapman though.
To all the people who refuse to blame Preller, his title is Director of baseball operations. Doesn’t that sound like someone who is responsible for players success once they arrive? Building a baseball ops operation that gives players the tools they need to be successful is a basic function of his job.
And he sucks at it, and he has for 8 years. This team has no starting pitchers or position players that are home grown, none. He’s got hoards of guys he traded away to Seattle, Milwaukee & Cleveland starting for potential playoff teams.
Oh and it’s actually the SECOND time he tried this. Assemble a bunch of big names, put together a great team of guys who have never played together and watch it implode.
Unreal how people cast no blame on this guy ever. This team should be better than it is, it needs to be better behind the scenes, Preller has had 8 years, time for a change.
When I see a guy who throws like Hader drop off the table like that, the first thing that comes to mind is TJS.
That F Freeman HR last year will haunt his confidence forever!
And that (rookie) Miranda HR in Minnesota earlier this year shows anyone can hit off him now.
Preller got his pocket picked yet again.
Preller is constantly getting his “pocket picked” in all these trades. It may take San Diego 20 years to recover from Preller’s tenure.
Rumor in MKE is Hader is hurt and Stearns flipped him before word got around.
I mentioned that on the day of the trade, Hader was getting in his last ten games with Mil. It could’ve been for a lot of reasons, but when a GM for a contending team decides he wants to trade his struggling closer, then that should ring some bells.