10:11am: The Twins and Orioles have announced the trade.
9:36am: The Twins and Orioles are in agreement on a trade sending All-Star closer Jorge Lopez from Baltimore to Minnesota, as first reported Andy Kostka of the Baltimore Sun. The Twins are sending left-handed pitching prospect Cade Povich, right-hander Yennier Cano and a pair of pitching prospects to Baltimore in return, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports. Right-hander Juan Nunez and lefty Juan Rojas are the other two names in the deal, tweets ESPN’s Jeff Passan.
Lopez, 29, has enjoyed one of the most remarkable turnarounds in Major League Baseball this season, going from a waiver claim at risk of losing his roster spot in Baltimore for much of last season to a first-time All-Star who’s pitched his way into the ranks of the game’s elite relievers. The former second-round pick and top prospect never took off as a starting pitcher but has been outstanding since moving to the bullpen on a full-time basis late last season. Thus far in 2022, Lopez has tossed 48 innings with a 1.68 ERA, a 27.6% strikeout rate, an 8.7% walk rate and an enormous 60% ground-ball rate that ranks fifth in baseball among MLB relievers.
It’s a short sample, to be sure, but Lopez’s move to the ’pen last August served as a portent for the breakout to come. He began heavily favoring his sinker over his four-seamer, watched both his ground-ball rate and velocity make substantial jumps, and tossed 8 1/3 innings with just two runs, a 10-to-2 K/BB ratio and a 66.7% grounder rate. Dating back to last year’s shift to to the bullpen, Lopez has a 1.75 ERA, 27.9% strikeout rate, 8.3% walk rate, 61% grounder rate and a 98 mph average velocity on his sinker.
The Twins are clearly confident in his ability to sustain this newfound production, and adding to his appeal is the fact that Lopez is controlled all the way through the 2024 season. He’s also earning an eminently affordable $1.5MM this year, so he’ll barely impact the 2022 payroll and won’t break the bank in either 2023 or 2024.
Lopez gives the Twins a power-armed closer to pair with flamethrowing rookie Jhoan Duran and breakout righty Griffin Jax at the back of what has been an otherwise awful bullpen. Much like Duran and Jax, Lopez gives manager Rocco Baldelli the flexibility of knowing he can cover more than one inning, if needed. Eleven of Lopez’s 44 appearances this season have seen him record at least four outs.
Headlining the Orioles’ return for Lopez is the 22-year-old Povich, whom Minnesota selected out of the University of Nebraska in the 2021 draft. A relatively soft-tossing lefty with good command in college, Povich’s velocity jumped into the 94-96 mph range upon his shift to pro ball. He’s made 16 starts with the Twins’ Class-A Advanced affiliate this season, pitching to a 4.46 ERA but a far more impressive 31.8% strikeout rate, 7.7% walk rate and 44.3% ground-ball rate. He ranked 22nd in the Twins’ farm system at both FanGraphs and MLB.com, and 21st at Baseball America. Each of those scouting reports peg Povich as at least a back-of-the-rotation arm with the potential to add more ceiling due to his projectable frame and the potential for even further velocity gains.
Cano, 28, received a $750K signing bonus as an international free agent upon leaving Cuba back in 2019. He made his big league debut this season and has surrendered 14 runs in 13 2/3 innings, flashing an average heater of 95.8 mph along the way. The 6’4″ righty has had a far more impressive showing in Triple-A St. Paul, working to a 1.90 ERA, 28.1% strikeout rate and 6.7% walk rate in 23 2/3 innings with the Saints.
That’s the first time in Cano’s career that he’s managed to string together a run of solid command, however. He’s walked 11 of the 70 big league hitters he’s faced (15.7%) and, when looking at his career as a whole, has issued a free pass to 12.2% of his opponents since signing in Minnesota. FanGraphs tabbed him 38th among Twins prospects earlier this year, labeling him as a potential single-inning reliever with command issues but an effective splitter.
Nunez is a 21-year-old righty who’s spent the year thus far with Minnesota’s affiliate in the Florida Complex League. He’s pitched to a 4.85 ERA with an enormous 36.2% strikeout rate and a solid 7.7% walk rate. He’s not particularly young for the level, but it’s an impressive K-BB profile even if the bottom-line ERA has been inflated by a .362 average on balls in play and a 55.2% left-on base rate.
Rojas, meanwhile, is pitching with the same FCL affiliate despite being three years younger than both Nunez and the average age of players in the league as a whole. He’s turned in a 3.60 ERA in 30 innings while showing outstanding rate stats: 32.4% strikeout, 3.4% walk, 48.6% ground-ball. Obviously, both he and Nunez are extremely long-term plays, as neither figures to sniff the Major Leagues for several seasons. Still, adding a pair of live-armed prospects to the lower levels of the system right now will ideally give the O’s some minor league depth and upside once the upper-level group of current top prospects has begun to solidify itself in the Majors.
Baltimore won’t acquire anyone immediately ranked among the sport’s very best prospects — or even presently among the Twins’ very best farmhands — but Povich is the type of projectable college arm with some recent helium who could soon find himself ranked among the Orioles’ top arms. Still, it’s hard not to like the deal from the Twins’ vantage point, as they managed to address a dire need in the bullpen for both the current and two subsequent seasons without pillaging the top levels of their farm system. That should prove pivotal when looking to bolster the rotation and perhaps further deepen the bullpen and the bench in the final hours leading up to the deadline.
Milwaukee-2208
Terrific add
realsox
Maybe. Remember the deal last year that brought Kimbrel to the Sox? Joining Hendriks in the bullpen was supposed to give the team an unbeatable late-inning duo. How’d that work out? There’s a reason they play these games on the field rather than in this comment section.
JoeBrady
1-It is a completely different thing. The WS traded for a closer so that they could make him an 8th inning RP, and they already had guys that could pitch in the 8th. In the Twins case, they had no closer. Adding a closer is huge for them.
2-And of course games are played on the field. Exactly 100% of the people in the world know that. But if you don’t like reading other people’s comments, what are you here for?
nmendoza7
So much for actually being good this year
ItsKirsten
Trading away your second best closer and 4th best reliever isn’t a big deal.
seamaholic 2
And your power hitting first baseman. But this is smart by the O’s. They were just in a hot stretch. The know this isn’t their year.
hiflew
No they are choosing to not make this their year by giving up. It’s amazing that teams give up because they started winning sooner than expected. Why would anyone spend money to watch a team like that?
ItsKirsten
Trey was creating a logjam anyways. Mountcastle now gets to work on his defense in a rebuilding year, and they get to see if any of the other 4th outfielders are worth a damn.
Perhaps the biggest plus is now Adley has zero competition at DH when not catching, which is fantastic for his development.
Oddball Hererra
Exactly – any success this year is a bonus. They don’t have a legit contending team but they can add complementary pieces to the team that Will be in 2023 of 2024
Course, things don’t always work out per schedule (see: Tigers, Detroit)
ItsKirsten
Because the pieces are expendable. Power hitting 1B’s are a dime a dozen.
BuJoBi
No they have no chance of winning anything this year, so continuing to add prospects is what’s best for baltimore. You don’t actually think baltimore would make the playoffs do you? If they did do you believe they could win?
holecamels35
You never know how things will play out in the future. I agree with the Mancini trade but not a huge fan of this, could have always traded him next year if they wanted. Not saying they should go all-in or anything, but should stay the course and try to win this season.
pohle
with the volatility of relievers, lopez is not guaranteed to have success next year or even the rest of this year, and four pitching prospects in exchange for a year and a half of a breakout closer is definitely a good move, even if it is more long-term than hoped
Fire Krall
Reds 2.0
Manfred’s playing with the balls
Hiflew don’t be bitter because the orioles are doing what your Rockies should.
Relief pitchers are the riskiest position in baseball to hold on to.
Plus you were just suggesting your own team trade away an outfielder to the astros for an A ball pitcher in another thread.
It’s okay for your team to trade an OF for prospects but not cool when Baltimore does it?
Doesn’t make sense
Fire Krall
Owners must be besties with Reds owners…
hiflew
Get over yourself. There is more than one way to skin a cat. Some of you people think there is only way of doing things. If that ever becomes true, I will lose all interest in this sport anyway.
Faith in the Padres
Orioles are doing the right thing. Theyre a fringe playoff team and have many many many needs. Their starting pitching isn’t very good and two if their best pitchers are out, Means and Wells.
Orioles are being realistic.
Kramer Voth Lyles won’t get you far.
gcg27
All depends how the 4 prospects do
Windowpane
I understand you’re excited that the O’s are around .500 after years of futility, but this isn’t their year and they’re 2-3 years away. Good moves by their front office to continue to build for the future instead of chasing this year’s mirage.
stymeedone
Because they are continuing to get better.
stymeedone
2 and 1/2 years. Thru 2024.
C Yards Jeff
@hiflew; I hear ya! Die hard Os fan. Loved to see a run this year too.
That said, to answer your question about “why would anyone spend money to watch a team like that?” Based on stories from this site, a lot of people including me. Why? We’re all drinking the Kool Aid that Elias is selling Angelos!
Mr. Angelos. You’ve trusted in Elias to build something here. When he comes to you and says it’s time to expand payroll, will you do it!!!!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. Good on the Os for selling high. These are the types of deals that buying clubs usually regret.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Heh. Cosmo, a Goth and some guy
Steve(shs22)
Zimmerman ?
atomicfront
Elias is clueless. He couldn’t make a decent trade to Dave his life.
atomicfront
They got nothing. How is that selling high?
Windowpane
Your statement is terribly inaccurate, but you be you.
PoesO's
Our power hitting 1B is still on the team Ryan Mountcastle @ seamaholic 2
ohyeadam
This is Twins Territory!!!!!!!
Jm207* 2
Great pickup. They needed help in the pen. Wonder what they gave up
Dustyslambchops23
Would have been more fun for the o’s to stand pat and try to sneak in to the playoffs.
mt in baltimore
Said no one ever…
mt in baltimore
Said no man ever…
mt in baltimore
Nope
Dustyslambchops23
0/3
PoesO's
They still have just as much of a chance. We have a guy in Bautista that can easily slide into the CP role, 101 mph swing and miss fastball mixed with some offspeed. “The Mountain”. As far as Trey, he was slumping for a large part of our winning of late…Time to bring up some youngings and see what theyve got.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Orioles are going to be loaded next year. Already defying expectations this year. They’re no joke.
C Yards Jeff
#pwndroia, Agreed to an extent. Based on what Elias has done over the last couple days, I’m thinking the Os are loading up for years of success starting in 2024. I hope I’m wrong. Come on 2023! Cheers!
mt in baltimore
Ci Senor…
atomicfront
None of these players will help the Orioles in 2024. There are better waiver wire guys than anything they acquired.
C Yards Jeff
@atomicfront; fair enough. That said; I hope you’re wrong and Elias is right in regards to the direction he is taking this club. Agree to disagree on this one? Cheers!
Windowpane
Learn the game before commenting.
PoesO's
Depending on what he does in FA, DL Hall getting his control on point, nd Grayson Rodriguez being healthy, I think we will be scary by next year for sure.
Jacksson13
Meanwhile, the only way Oriole fans can stand to watch the team play,
is if THEY ARE LOADED !!
Ryan W
2.5 games out of a wc spot. Wonder if they’re giving up
osfandan
No. We are preparing for a 7 year run of terror.
Samuel
osfandan;
Mr. Lopez may be back with the Orioles in 2 years as a reclamation project.
The top-flite Twins pitching coach went back to college, and Gary Sanchez is catching the pitchers. The Twins FO is looking like Preller-lite.
Jorge “Born Under A Bad Sign” Lopez.
The_M4N
“A 7 year run of terror.” How terrifying.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Who? O’s? There’s three other teams fighting in the division and the odds are very slim they get in. They have to beat the Rays and Jays, not counting teams in other divisions. Better for them to regroup for 2023.
smuzqwpdmx
They don’t have to beat the Yankees, Rays or Blue Jays. The 4th place team could still win the world series. They just have to beat the Mariners.
ohyeadam
Povich?! Damn he’d been looking like a quick riser
All Minnesota Sports
Finally some bullpen help for Duran and Jax. Controlled for another couple years. Well see what the return is. Hopefully no one higher than top 8. Now for a playoff level starter…
All Minnesota Sports
Damn, I actually really like Povich, especially since we don’t have many lefty arms coming up. Cano hasn’t shown enough control to be useful.
Samuel
Wow!
In Elias we trust.
He got 6 pitchers to work with in 2 days. Has a great coaching staff. Who ever heard of Lopez, Spenser Watkins, Felix Bautista, Dillon Tate, etc. all until this year.
Amazing.
C Yards Jeff
Well played. Mr. Elias, well played. Hey John Angelos, thank you for trusting in your baseball people to make your organization’s baseball decisions.
I really dug your old man’s passion for the black and orange but too often, IMHO, it had him meddling in the baseball decision making which “muddied the waters” so to speak. Keep being you. And one more thing, when Elias says it’s time to dramatically expand payroll. Please do it. If you need a reference or 2, see Crane in Houston and Liberty Media in Atlanta.
atomicfront
Getting non prospects for good players is not well played.
C Yards Jeff
@atomicfront; I’m unaware of your prowess as a GM. That said, if I had to pick between you and Elias to rebuild a team, I’d go with Elias. Nothing personal. I’m basing it on what Elias has done with the Os since 2019. Best wishes.
SamtheMan!
This is the kind of trade you had to expect given Elias’ strategy. He hasn’t been drafting arms so he was going to acquire a bunch. Lopez was worthless a year ago and we turned him into 4 arms.
Kinda like the Bundy deal. Bradish came from that with a couple other pitching prospects.
PoesO's
Dont forget Cionel Perez…sir.
Inside Out
Way too much for a reliever with one good season.
keysox
Horrible trade
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
It’s not early anymore… let’s see who’s next to ‘overvalue and overpay”?
rememberthecoop
His turnaround just goes to show how volatile relief pitchers can be. And just how little the save stat means. I get that there is more pressure in the 9th and some guys simply can’t handle it. But mostly it’s random due to small sample sizes. And their ERAs are so impacted by things like defense, other relief pitchers, inherited runners, etc. And just like players can get lucky with artificially high BABIP, pitchers often have artificially low strand rates for a period of time. And that eventually catches up to them.
Samuel
It has everything to do with coaching……
Which is what determines both player and team success in MLB today.
The Orioles have put together great coaching staffs at both the major and minor league levels. They now have 6 additional pitchers to work with….maybe more coming.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Will he put the Twins over the edge? They have to beat the Yankees and they can’t seem to do that in the postseason.
phantomofdb
The twins postseason woes don’t have anything to do with the Yankees. They got swept by the Astros and A’s as well in years the twins had significantly better records. It’s just been happenstance they’re matched up with the Yankees often
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I know, I just figured mentioning because they’ve faced them so many times. Twins are singe_handedly the most losing postseason team in like the last 15 years. Not trying to mess with Twins fans, it’s just unfortunate.
ohyeadam
Phantom, as a twins fan I can tell you beating the Yankees does matter. Yes we lose to everyone but we’ve lost too many to them and my best friend has a Yankees tattoo so I never hear the end of it!
"Not" Rick Hahn
Shytty comedian
24TheKid
Absolute robbery by the twins. Great move.
ItsKirsten
Enjoy Jorge, He has been getting shelled the last two months. Oh and he’s inconsistent.
Samuel
Dendee;
Please…..
vtadave
Lopez last two months:
2.16 ERa
0.88 WHIP
11.5 K/9
1.4 BB/9
Amazing that you can look this stuff up!
ItsKirsten
Amazing that you can’t see a typo! Dude has a 5.80FIP in July and a 4.8ERA, with a plummeting groundball rate to boot.
ItsKirsten
The fact that you seem to think losing the teams second best closer, and third or fourth best reliever would be remotely upsetting is crazy.
capnfatback
If a 2.16 ERA with 32 Ks and only 4 BBS in the last 2 months is your idea of getting shelled, you must be Bob Gibson.
phantomofdb
Not a robbery by the twins at all
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
How so? Orioles aren’t going anywhere so Lopez is completely expendable.
atomicfront
They aren’t going anywhere since they traded a couple of all stars.
JRamHOF
Josh Naylor single-handedly forced them to make this trade
Camden453
I’m sorry but if I’m the GM and I’m sitting only 2.5 out of a playoff spot I’m not telling the guys they aren’t good enough
And just to add Cade Povich and Chase McDermott?
I get that they’re probably going to fall out of the race, but come on, weakening a contending playoff team just to add two average prospects like Cade Povich and Chase McDermott is dunceville level stuff
Average relievers that those two project to be can be found everywhere
osfandan
First off, you aren’t even naming the best prospect we received. Second, we have replacements waiting in the wings. Third, MLB Pipeline ranked Johnson #8 and McDermott #12 in our LOADED system. They can’t be that bad.
Camden453
@osfan No no no no. McDermott is a much better prospect than Johnson
By far the best prospect they got was McDermott
ItsKirsten
Ah yes, well known MLB talent evaluator Camden453.
atomicfront
Terrible trades. Elias is horrible. The guy he drafted #2 overall is 23 and batting .180 in A ball.
MagicOriole
You left out 4 other pitchers.
Camden453
The great odds are that every prospect they got ends up being a bust. Or if one of them does work out, he’ll at best be average
You can find tons of pitchers like these that are already developed on waivers all the time
It’s nice to add prospects, but when you’re only 2 games back of a playoff spot in the win column it’s not necessary to add prospects like these
You’d choose to hold in that case. You’re not getting *that* great a boon to warrant folding in the playoff race
whyhayzee
Given that most prospects weigh over 200 pounds, tons isn’t that many. And there’s 30 teams looking. So I’d say it’s not so easy to grab an already developed player on waivers.
ItsKirsten
Especially when you are in the middle of the pack.
Camden453
Or you can literally get them on minor league deals in the offseason
Do you really think Seth Johnson is going to ever develop the command and control needed to survive?
You can get tons of other guys on minor league contracts that are still trying to get it together
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh, Os aren’t going anywhere this year. Rebuild. Come back in 2025.
ohyeadam
If they were properly developed you wouldn’t be able to find them on waivers
benhen77
Good start. Need several more moves if Twins expect to make any noise in the playoffs.
WAR Pig
Not a bad return for someone who would be in AAA or DFA’d by about any other team in the league before finally playing above replacement level at 29yo.
Tacoshells
What a deal !!
phantomofdb
4 for 1 for a guy with a 6 career ERA is scary. Hopefully this years numbers aren’t a fluke like Colome
Camden453
He looks like one of the best relievers in the game this year but the great odds are that he’ll lose whatever mechanics are working for him now
Ra
Can I get these “great odds” you claim to exist and bet against him losing mechanics just because he was traded.
Nobody else would make such a baseless claim.
Mystery13
4 prospects for a 29 year old with a plus 5 career era with half a season of good production to his name. That’s a great haul for the Orioles
Camden453
Hey, I’ll give you 4 pennies for that dime.
Mystery13
That dime has 4.76 era in July. Seems like a pretty rusty dime
Old York
Twins will finally win a playoff series! They’ll knock the Astros or Yankees out of the playoffs this year.
keysox
Horrible trade for Twins. Guaranteed third place
jeffk-2
Orioles could still pull it off. Bautista is as good or better then Lopez. Trey’s .268/10 is not hard to replace. either.
roguesaw
Agree. I genuinely feel these two trades have little to no impact on their playoff chances. Trading from depth and already have equal or better pieces in place to step up with Mountcastle and Bautista. I think this notion that they are “giving up” is over blown. They move Mullins then the conversation quickly changes for me, but Trey and Jorge? Love the guys but they were expendable.
PoesO's
I agree with you guys 100%…yet, ive about had enough of watching Ryan Mountcastle start off every AB 0-2 by swinging at a pitch low and away to start every plate appearance as of late
BrianBrian
that’s an awesome return for the orioles. would have liked to see the Twins offer for Hader
mikeyst13
Probably would have been better prospects than Milwaukee got in the Pads deal, but without the big league arms that they wanted to stay in the race this year to go along with it.
Thornton Mellon
I think Lopez caught lightning in a bottle this year and any add I guess is a plus for what the Orioles would have thought a year ago.
The problem is, I have spent the last nearly 2 weeks in Maryland on vacation and watched 7 or 8 games. This is a plucky team, one that comes back in late evenings, they have a great atmosphere on the bench and the clubhouse. They compete hard even with an obvious talent deficit to other teams.
Trey Mancini may be the soul of the team. I understand about the never-ending rebuild, but at WHAT POINT do they choose a group of guys and say ok, these are the guys we are going to jell around for several years of sustained runs? What if they stumble out of the gate in 2023? Same thing?
What they’ve done with these 2 moves (and maybe more sneaking in like Santander?) is told the 2022 team/players that they are not at all invested in them. Yes they are 52-51, but if you have competed hard for four months to have management basically write off the season is sad. They are close enough to the playoffs to get in.
They could very well go 15-44 by playing in the fashion that management sees them instead of all-out, over their heads.
Just sad to see as a fan.
usafcop
Love the handle Rodney….classic movie…..
Samuel
Thornton Mellon;
I believe you’re missing the FO’s plan. They’re on track. Their priority is not to get into the playoffs in 2022 as the 6th team – it’s to be a sustainable contender for years….on a small market payroll.
And I sure hope Santander isn’t going anywhere soon. The man is solid in both O and D and getting better. Seems everyone wants to trade him.
Thornton Mellon
Sam
What you said about Santander is exactly why he would be the next one traded. But when do they move from the tear down to the actual building part of this thing? Because next year everyone else moves 1 year closer to getting paid. Its not like this year’s team is expensive either. But to get fans invested in the team the fans will need to see guys come in, perform, and stay. Then bring in guys to supplement that core. To do that they have to pay somebody. This team never gets past step 1.
AceKing
Dude they had the best record in baseball for years like five years ago.
They were a powerhouse.
They are retooling.
They are almost done.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Enjoying Baltimore? Lovely little town. Used to work blocks from Camden and walk in. $8 and you could sit anywhere jn the empty stadium. Make sure you visit the National aquarium and check out Federal Hill or Canton
Thornton Mellon
Theo- we’re at the beach. I grew up in the Baltimore suburbs; the National Aquarium still far and away beats any of the others we’ve been to (5 or 6 other city aquariums).
Camden is a beautiful park – I always enjoyed Memorial’s atmosphere more – but definitely go to a day game there (and get out by nighttime).
Used to frequent Fed Hill/Canton/downtown clubs in the mid to late 90s. By the time I moved far out of the area in 2014 I didn’t like being in the city at night and now its worse. OPACY’s location used to be a huge plus in 1992 and has slowly turned into a liability. In terms of drawing folks/being in a family area they should put the stadium outside the city but somewhere to get to easily like Hunt Valley….but I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
Ra
OPACY’s location is as safe as it was 30 years ago.
If you are so frightened you might see a Black person, park in Hunt Valley and ride the Light Rail straight to the Gates at the ballpark
bwmiller
Lopez learned how to pitch as a bullpen arm, he relies on his sinker to a large degree, his ground ball rates are way up from what we’re already good numbers, I think Lopez probably locks up the closer role in Minnesota for the next two seasons. Great trade for the Twins.
Play the Game
Terrible moves by the Orioles you finally compete to get a WC shot and you sell off the team total BS!
Ra
The team’s playoff hops have probably improved by replacing Mancini with Diaz/Stowers and by replacing Lopez as Closer with Bautista.
If Mancini and Lopez constitute “selling off the team’, it exposes you as a casual, unknowledgeable fan
PoesO's
You must be a casual fan…and cant see whats going on apparently.
Ra
Certainly you were replying to Play The Game, not to me.
Ra
Orioles 14-8 since the trades. So much for weakening the team.
Camden453
Guys like Mullins and Santander are out there giving it everything they have and they trade key pieces away
All for a couple mid-tier prospects. This is a case where you should hold and then even buy by trading for Mahle or other starter
With the Rays struggling and you call up Grayson Rodriguez, you can make the playoffs
Manfred’s playing with the balls
That type of thinking is why Baltimore has been losing for so long.
Elias knows what he’s doing better than us keyboard GM’s. It’s unlikely the O’s won anything this year anyway. Buying at this deadline would put their future in question, this helps them moving forward.
C Yards Jeff
@MichaelSallaFan; Liked “keyboard GM”. I like it so much I’m thinking about changing my Log In to it. Definitely defines me! You made my day.
OhthePossibilities
Grayson is still dealing with his lat strain. Better not to push him and cause further damage.
stymeedone
You have a different definition of “key pieces” than the Orioles do. I think you meant to say fan favorites. Mancini was a FA and gone at years end, putting up pedestrian numbers. Lopez may be real, but if they feel they have replacements, they got quite a bit for a waiver wire player. Sometimes you sell when the stock is high (and volatile).
Ra
How can you call up an injured pitcher who is currently shut down (Grayson) to “make the playoffs?” Moron.
C Yards Jeff
#Ra; way to throw it back in the face of these arm chair GMs throughout this chat. Elias has a plan and Angelos is on board. It’s as simple as that. Grateful we have an owner who does not meddle in the daily decision making of his team.
PoesO's
Another casual fan…Bautista can do just as well at CP, now we can pull up someone like Stowers. Also if you have been paying any attention whatsoever youd know that GrayRodriguez is unlikely to be called up this year due to his lat injury. Theyre being precautionary with him now. Wouldnt be surprised to see him on the opening day roster next season though.
cwsOverhaul
Funny thing is Baltimore would probably lead the ALC this year if they were in it and Twins last place AL East.
Moneyballer
So this is it huh? This is token addition so the FO can say SEE we did something. This will be an abject failure if this is all they add.
THEHOUSETHATMOSEBYBUILT
I feel your pain friend…
Ra
Povich looks like the real deal.
Seth Johnson should be the real deal post TJ.
And Chayce McDermott has been pitching like he is the real deal .
The Orioles did great with those trades
LouWhitakerHOF
Who do you think closes now? Duran or Lopez. All they need to do is win the division and they are in. Who knows after that.
benhen77
Rocco won’t name a closer. Will all be situational. My guess is Duran used in the fireman role more often than not, with Lopez getting clean innings.
phantomofdb
Still pagan
pinstripeblue
Understand the Mancini trade because of the logjam at 1B and DH, but this one makes little sense since the team is in the thick of a WC race. The return for a couple of mediocre prospects is nuts.
PoesO's
We fortunately have a capable closer waiting right behind lopez in bautista…likely why he did it.
gorav114
Lopez has years of team control left and is just finding his niche. The Twins made a great move hear and the Orioles sold to early. Could have had him for remainder of this season and next season received at least the same return. Quantity return opposed to quality.
AceKing
It is a trade deadline. There is lots of risk in waiting until the off-season. Now they can see who the next guy to step up is!
All good in Birdland
SupremeZeus
White Sox will see your Lopez and raise you Diekman.
Dumpster Divin Theo
This. Diekman only cost the Sox a catcher they were going to DFA
BashBroJoe
6 months ago Lopez has Zero value. I’m the biggest Orioles fan in the world and this is fine. Thought maybe Trey could of landed a better return but Seth Johnson could be an absolute stud in 4 years and I’m not as smart as Mike Elias or his team. I trust this regime more than any in my 37 years of life. It’s the only time in my life we are being built for sustainable success. If that means sacrificing sentimental pieces I’m all for it.
AceKing
This is better than fine, this is perfect.
AceKing
I feel the same way. I was 8 when they won the series in 83, and it just felt like they would be there forever.
The next decades sucked for the most part.
But THIS feels different. This is genuine.
TwinsFan8791
Lopez has allowed only one HR this year to teams that are not the Twins
KWF
Can we get a break down of the players the o’s get?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Great return by the O’s.
itsmeheyhi
Nice pickup for the Twins. Gonna be tough to hold off the Guardians still.
pohle
cade povich is the prospect twins fans will miss, owner of a 5+ era in high a? this seems to me like four pennies for a nickel, but the o’s system figures to treat the prospects a lot better
Mario93
That Orioles GM is very smart imo. Turn a waiver wire claim into 4 pitching prospects. That’s called making the most of your assets.. Lopez could fall of the earth in Minnesota by next year, who knows. Maybe the Orioles could’ve made the wild card, but they’re setting up for a more sustainable product years down the line, with a larger window. Makes sense.
Mario93
I like it by the Orioles, trying to add to the farm, while turning a waiver claim into 4 prospects. I really like the Orioles gm.
Gus Leggett
The Twins have usually done very well with closers that were originally starters…Joe Nathan, Rick Aguilera, Glen Perkins…even Eddie Guardado. So this seems like the right situation for Jorge Lopez to thrive. Also, the complaints about Lopez’s “terrible” July, 4 of the 6 runs that he gave up were actually to the Twins. So they must know something…
NattyBroh
A trade like this can both make sense to the organization and be a bad look to the fans. Baltimore remains in a bad spot because the average fan does not trust ownership. Elias needs to restore that and it will continue to take time.
Bobby Mongan
IMHO Elias has restored that in both the players and the fans. I guess I am above average then? I bet the Oriole organization as a whole never expected the team would progress this far, this year. But they have and it’s time now to get a good return in players who in all likelihood will not be in
Baltimore when it all comes to fruition. This organization has worked hard and smart to advance their farm system to number one. They are not going to stop now.
AceKing
Stop and look and realize what is actually happening…this is a great day in Baltimore.
Samuel
Ignore the negative comments of the fans here that looked up the public stats of the players the Orioles received. Rest assured the Orioles have internal stats, scouts observations, and may as well have gone through video as well.
I love the Astros and believe they’re the best organization in MLB. But the Orioles and now running #4-5 and closing. I cannot believe their drafts, waiver claims, trades, etc. This is a smart organization that recognizes what players can and cannot do, then will coach them up to get the most out of them. Won’t always succeed of course – in fact there will be more wash outs than successes; but as the Wall Streeters say: “Cut your losses and let your winners run”.
Avory
Jeez, isn’t it more than a little premature to be anointing the Orioles a Top Five organization in the sport? Can’t we wait for little bit of a track record? Some follow-through? Actual on the field excellence?
AceKing
The Orioles have been a national laughing stock, but I am actually proud of my franchise right now.
Whoever you are a fan of, you won’t want to play them down the stretch, and for years to come.
Just wait til you see the players that are in the next wave…
Samuel
No, it’s not.
I look at the team they’re fielding and how they play baseball.
They don’t get intimated. They play smart, fundamental baseball. They minimize mistakes. They do the little thing correctly and it keeps them in games. They don’t beat themselves.
The coaching staff has turned rejected players into solid, contributing players with no fanfare. And it was no coincidence that they picked up those guys.
This doesn’t happen by coincidence.
Watch them play a few games and get back to me.
P.S. I was on here at the end of his first year and said Juan Soto was a better player with the Nationals than Harper. I didn’t need to wait for others to accept that. Any fan that watched a lot of Nationals games saw the same thing. Today, Orioles fans see what’s going on. My observations was seen as hyperbole. Orioles fans observations today ae seen as irrational gan enthusiasm.
AceKing
The Orioles have planted seeds in the Bullpen. They are growing talent.
Like.a fruit you have to sell it when it is ripe.
They got four more seeds.
They have lots of seeds,
They have the best farm system in baseball!
Do you even grasp the difference here?
hitztheball
Still waiting for the Tigers trade one of their relievers that everybody was so interested in….
Backdraft
Seems to me the Orioles cleaned up in this deal, even if Lopez is having an outstanding year. Minny might come to really regret this deal. They aren’t winning in the playoffs. The cost appears high.
AceKing
The Orioles turned Lopez from a terrible waiver claim into these assets.
THAT is what is going to make the Orioles truly dangerous.
Paul Griggs
I’m guessing this will help the Twins this year but the Orioles will win the trade down the road. I think this trade is not enough to push us to the next level without other moves being made. We still need more SP and a big bat. Maybe the Eovaldi and Martinez rentals make more sense, although Eovaldi is injury prone and Martinez would take DH time away from Buxton.
Sky14
Eh it’s possible it could hurt the Twins down the road but only Povich has any real upside. Players can breakout of course buts it’s just as likely none of these guys have any impact.
micg
“Impact” is a relative term. The O’s have a bunch of talent in the minors ready to move up and these young arms can fill the slots being vacated!
AceKing
The Orioles have turned another major milestone this deadline. They have developed talent into tradeable assets. This has not happened in Baltimore in decades.
They are developing exceptional major leaguers, and are having great success.
Name one Oriole bullpen Ace that anyone has even heard of……
The Orioles made these bums.
Trade every one of them for 4 more!
And keep learning how to build them.
This is an amazing time to be an Orioles Fan, you all just don’t even understand!
mp9
GREAT!! now go get Rodon
AceKing
And Good Luck to you Jorge Lopez!
Here’s to a Win-Win trade!
Beat those Yanks lol.
nailz#4life
This is how you do it O’s. Sell while the “flash in the pan” player is HOT and grab lots of prospects. Balt is heading in the right direction for sure …..
C Yards Jeff
Obviously Elias has switched gears here. Since 2019, heavy emphasis on position player prospects. This year, looks like, based on the past couple of days and their draft class, emphasis to pitching. And so far, via the trade route, no position player prospects have had to be moved. Elias, you sly dog, you!
LordD99
Question for O’s fans. Who now is the closer?
AceKing
It will be The Mountain Felix Bautista. He has been ridiculous.
AceKing
Somebody else you never heard of lol
Ra
Yeah, the most dominant reliever in Baltimore this year: Bautista
C Yards Jeff
Does it matter who the closer is this year? No. Bautista obviously is there to take it over but still a raw talent in many ways. Continue to acclimate him to the role but maybe do a by committee approach the rest of this year. Bautista in this role in 2024, now that’s another story. Lord have mercy on the competition.
Ra
Bautista has been doing very well in the closer/highest leverage reliever role this August. I was tremendously impressed by him in ST and expected he, rather than Lopez, would assume this role.
Steve(shs22)
Sucks to lose povich as a twins fan ( I had him 10th or 11th at worst 12 in our system as currently constructed.
But Cano and Nunez seems like a fair return for Baltimore to go along w/ Cade
Best of luck to Cade Povich !
cwhoswims
From my perspective (Twins fan) this feels about right, on both sides. Cano is a throw-in, not even worth talking about, Just the name that got volunteered when the O’s said, “this is close, but….still feels a tad light…”
Lopez has had an outstanding season, but has a poor track record outside of it. The Twins need him to throw like he is right now and to do it right now. I don’t even think they’re considering 2023, in fact, if he keeps performing maybe he is trade-bait in the offseason or halfway through 2023 if he regresses back to earth.
In terms of whats going to Baltimore, you have two rookie-ballers who are striking out a ton of batters but aren’t really dazzling otherwise. Povich is the real centerpiece, he has way overperformed for a third-rounder and is ahead of his own development schedule, starting in High-A ball and putting up solid numbers on just about every front.
If Povich pans out and even one of Nunez and Rojas becomes a reliable reliever (or even better, dominant reliever or starter) a few years down the road, then the Orioles obviously got the better deal, but, again, the Twins needed help right now.
I think they are still at least one lights-out relief pitcher and/or average+ starting pitcher away from being true contenders, though. They’re slipping in the Central and this move doesn’t quite put them over the top, so very much up in the air in my opinion if they will even win their own division still…
micg
Lopez was a dud before having a half of a good season this year. Bautista is younger, more consistent to date, and groomed for the closer role from the start. Look at Lopez’ stats for July (4.76 era and .304 avg against), then look at Bautista, (2.07 era and .075 avg against.) Lopez was a few blown saves away from losing the role to Bautista. The rest of the pen has been solid to date, so everyone just moves up a slot.
I love Mancini but he has a limited role in the field and ties up the DH position. Now they can rest players like Rutschman and Santander down the stretch and try out some of the many prospects in the minors. First base/DH types are plentiful. If the O’s have a chance at a playoff spot, then these are the kind of moves they need to make anyway!
Jacksson13
So, that trade of Rogers, Rooker, and $6.6MM to the Padres for Paddack and Pagan and PTBNL (Medina) was a HUGE success for the Twinkies !! Now, they have traded 4 MORE players to replace the ESTABLISHED closer (Rogers) that was traded away for a now failed closer (Pagan) and an injured starter that required Tommy John surgery plus a walk prone, roll of the dice pitcher who is still wet behind the ears. Great moves, Front Office !!
Jacksson13
Will the Lopez acquisition be like the trade for Joe Nathan?
Or more like the trades for Emilio Pagan and prior to that Matt Capps & Sam Dyson?
Stay Tuned.
bottlebatgroh
My favorite is Ynoa to Atlanta for one game of Jaime Garcia and Recker. And then flipping Garcia PLUS 4+ million to the Yankees for Enns and Littell.