Steven Matz suffered a torn left MCL in late July, leading to fear that the left-hander’s season would possibly be over, even if surgery wasn’t required. However, Matz is now making increased progress towards a return, with Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol telling reporters (including MLB.com’s John Denton) that Matz’s knee was pain-free while fielding some grounders on Wednesday. Matz also threw 30 pitches off the mound during the warm-up session. It could mean that Matz is nearing a minor league rehab assignment, though the Cardinals will continue to closely monitor his status considering his lack of workload.
Matz has pitched just once since May 22, as a shoulder impingement kept him on the injured list for almost two months, and he then suffered his MCL injury in his first start back off the IL. St. Louis has Miles Mikolas, Adam Wainwright, and trade deadline acquisitions Jordan Montgomery and Jose Quintana all thriving in the rotation, so if Matz is able to return, he could be used in a bullpen role or competing with Dakota Hudson, Jake Woodford, or another rehabbing starter in Jack Flaherty for that final spot in the rotation. The Cardinals could potentially also explore using a six-man rotation down the stretch, or perhaps just give some of their regulars some rest if the Cards can clinch the NL Central title relatively early. With a 17-5 record thus far in August, the Cards have opened up a 5.5-game lead over the struggling Brewers in the division race.
Some other items from around the Central…
- Roberto Perez believes “there’s interest from both parties” in a new deal between the Pirates and the veteran catcher, Perez told Jason Mackey of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (Twitter link). Perez inked a one-year, $5MMM free agent contract with the Pirates last winter, but played in only 21 games before undergoing season-ending surgery on his left hamstring. The catcher confirmed that his season is indeed over, as he had been hoping to make enough rehab progress to return for the final few games of the schedule. Re-signing Perez would add a seasoned backstop to a Pittsburgh catching mix that doesn’t include a lot of big league experience, though the Bucs are hoping that if all goes well, former first overall pick Henry Davis might be able to make his MLB debut before the 2023 season is up.
- The Reds dealt away Luis Castillo, Tyler Mahle, and Brandon Drury at the trade deadline, in a flurry of rebuilding moves that added a lot of depth and quality to Cincinnati’s farm system. Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer explores the front office’s approach to the deadline, which first included some last-minute contract extension talks with Castillo and Drury’s representatives. When those talks didn’t result in much progress, the Reds shifted focus to the trade market, with GM Nick Krall noting that the interest in Castillo allowed them to make high initial asks. If other clubs weren’t open to that first ask, “then we can just move on….It was a pretty good way to trim the number (of teams) down from the very beginning,” Krall said. Cincinnati had always targeted Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo when speaking with the Mariners, and both of those highly-regarded infield prospects ended up included in the package the Reds received for Castillo. The Reds also had several offers on the table for Mahle and Drury, with the front office ultimately deciding that the offers from the Twins (for Mahle) and Padres (for Drury) were the best of the group.
allweatherfan
Pallante should have replaced Dakota Hudson in the rotation but for some reason they prefer him in the pen. It will be nice to have 2 more options to replace Hudson.
Jerry Cantrell
I’ve gotta believe that if today doesn’t go well for Hudson, that this has GOT to be it.
Flaherty will be back soon and could take his spot, hopefully.
barkinghumans77
I like Hudson, however he does need some work. Also, he’s not that far removed from Tommy John. He has been inconsistent this year but he has talent. Look for him to have a better year next season.
mrperkins
Pallante is on workload management or he would have stayed in the rotation.
DonOsbourne
Jake Woodford was very good again the other night. That should earn him another start. Hudson needs a minor league reset. He’s not just missing his spots, he’s struggling to find the plate at all. I hate to pin my hopes on Flaherty, but between the three (Woodford, Jack, Matz) Hudson can hopefully be replaced for the rest of the season.
mrperkins
Hudson today: 7ip, 2R. Maybe he is getting the message.
DonOsbourne
Yep. Hudson dealing and Corey Dickerson can’t stop hitting. It’s like the Twilight Zone. But….oh well, I’ll take it.
mrperkins
DeJong remembered that he totally sucks, though. I was really hoping they could swing a deal with the Yanks for Gallo just so DeJong was DeGone next year but I bet he “works on his approach” and gets another 2 months of leeway at the start of next year.
tstats
Krall did really well this deadline IMO. Certainly pushed the rebuild further along than I had expected
titanic struggle
Only time will tell, but I would tend to agree with you…
BeingARedsFanHurts
But if you look on Facebook, reds fans all think Krall is an idiot and made terrible moves.
I’m very optimistic about the deals that were made. I’ve never seen the organization have more talent in the pipeline than now.
mlb1225
I wouldn’t mind seeing Roberto Perez return to the Pirates next season. He’d be a nice mentor for Davis and Endy Rodriguez. Plus you get the benefit of easing both into the major leagues. Though that doesn’t mean I don’t like Jason Delay. But a time share between Delay and Perez would be fine. You’d be keeping Perez fresh and potentially avoid an injury and get two defensive catchers working with a young pitching staff.
TheMan 3
Perez, if he can stay healthy would be a huge improvement over the 2 dumpster dived projects they currently have.
They’re mediocre at best, and come cheap which tickles Nutting’s bottom line.
Still no word on DFAing the worst position player they have, Josh Van Meter
Robertowannabe
Delay actiually is not bad and was not added as a dumpster dive. Was a 4th round draft choice by the Bucs in 2017. I agree that none of the other guys that were brought in were anything more than a band-aid. Van Meter will not be back next year. Makes no difference really if they dump him now or after the season. Not like dumping him now will help get them to a wild card spot. They dumped several other guys like Tsutsugo, Mariisick, Tucker…..
TheMan 3
I stand corrected about Delay being a dumpster dive but regardless of Van Meter not returning next year, he’s currently taking a roster spot that a prospect should have.
Why wait until spring training to see if the likes of Swaggerty for example, can hit major league pitching?
Robertowannabe
Bae just got activated in the last week from an IL stint., I actually could see him promoted soon and could see JVM as the one who is DFAd to give him the 40 man spot. He may well have been up from AAA already had he not been injured.
Robertowannabe
They should be adding the likes of Burrows and Priester to the starting mix over the course of next season,. Hoping that Suwinski returns to the bigs and contributing much more along with Swaggerty, and Peguero as well .I have looked to this offseason for the build to include some better quality FA guys and maybe a trade or two from the depth. in MI. Really looking forward to 2023 🙂
TheMan 3
Shelton himself said that after the trade deadline, they’d be bringing up prospects in lieu of current veterans on the roster
Mardis doesn’t belong in the majors nor does Cruz, Despite his rocket shooting hits, he strikes out far too much.
The fact he can’t hit southpaws is yet another testament to the failure of the player development system
tiredolddude
Madris, Mitchell, Allen, Suwinski…. Yeah, it’s going to take some time and fine tuning
I have mixed feelings about Cruz. On any other team, I would agree with you. But on this team, I almost understand why they’ve kept him here
I compare him often to Gregory Polanco only in that they have had a lot of hype at the minors level, show a great deal of promise, but rarely deliver on that promise. We all know how that went with Polanco. Nice guy, but he never learned and never improved
Cruz’s undisciplined approach at the plate reminds me of him. He’ll hit mistake pitches hard and long, but apparently can’t figure out the strike zone, has no clue about pitcher strategies and ball-strike counts, and has not shown he can pick up the spin on a pitch
So I guess my question is, is anyone working with these kids when they arrive? You name the rookie….it sure doesn’t seem like it
TheMan 3
Andy Haines has failed as the hitting coach, and in my opinion shouldn’t return for next season
They fired his predecessor last August because the offense wasn’t producing enough EBH.
These guys have been playing baseball for most of their lives, making adjustments at the major league level is the responsibility of the hitting coach and his assistants.
These guys have been in a perpetual slump for the entire year.
Several years ago, the Pirates were supposed to have had the deepest farm system. If that was true, why are they failing so much at the major league level?
mlb1225
Cruz definitley has a higher ceiling and make-up than Polanco. I have faith that he’ll eventually figure out the swings-and-misses. He didn’t have that much trouble with K’s throghout the minor leagues.
mlb1225
It takes some time. Don’t take this as he’s the next Mike Trout, but Trout had a .672 OPS in his first 135 MLB plate appearances. Cruz has a .647 OPS in his 205 plate appearances this season. I think a lot of the struggles can be pinned on Haines though.
TheMan 3
Mike Trout struck out 30 times in his first 135 ABs, Cruz 79 times in 200 ABs
Cruz is no Mike Trout, he’s more like Gregory Polanco
mlb1225
And Aaron Judge also struck out in 44.2% of his first 95 plate appearances in 2016. Like I said in my comment above, I think Cruz has the higher ceiling and make-up than Polanco did. Polanco is the easy comparrison because they’re both extremely tall players with a high ceiling for power. But Cruz only struck out at a 22.1% rate at Triple-A.
Robertowannabe
I think it was on a post game show in that last week the hosts were talking about Cruz and his issues. The were saying how he got into some bad habits in the minors. He could hit just about any pitch thrown his way in the minors so he got in the habit of swinging at most5 anything, He has found out that Pitchers in the show have much better stuff and the breaking stuff breaks much sharper and quicker and he can’t catch up to stuff that ends up off of the plate in the minors. They were saying he was taking a ton of extra BP and working on the issues. Not only has Haines working but I heard he brought his personal hitting instructor in as well. He is apparently working at it. If he is the player that we have been told he was, he should get through his issues and at least be a quality MLB hitter. Like you said @mlb1225, he has hit at every level so far so I would not be surprised that he starts to hit and hit well in the Show as well.
Samuel
As of today Oniel Cruz has played in the majors about 1/3’rd of a season. He’s been in 52 games with 205 PA’s. His fWAR is 0.0.
I wrote numerous times that Mr. Cruz has too many weaknesses in his game that need to be squared away, and that’s what the minor leagues are for. I don’t know if Mr. Cherington felt pressured by the nonsensical “service time” thing being brought up an activist media, but at this point the Pirates needn’t be overly concerned about the salary Mr. Cruz’s agent will be asking for in 6 years. I’ve lost some respect for Mr. Cherington and have a bit of concern.
Have watched a lot of young position players that came up with the Guardians and Orioles this year. Granted, those 2 teams are ahead of the Pirates in their rebuilds. But most of their youngsters can play fundamental baseball.
Samuel
mlb1225;
Gregory Polanco is an interesting comp you bring up. I forgot about him. Apparently he’s playing in Japan this year. Along with Oneil Cruz he too was sold by media analysts as being an up and coming star / impact player.
In 8 years with the Pirates he has an fWar of 5.9.
Samuel
gozurman1;
It’s wonderful that Mr. Cruz: “got into some bad habits in the minors. He could hit just about any pitch thrown his way in the minors”. That unbelievable .275 / .341 / .458 /.800 slash in 6 seasons has very probably never been accomplished. So I’m certain his flown-in hitting instructor will square him away.
Now – what do they do about his poor defense, baserunning, and lack of situational hitting? Or is hitting a single off the wall at 122.6 MPH his ceiling? To many, it’s all about entertainment.
P.S. Are you aware of ‘The Peter Principle’ in business? Where a person is promoted to their level of incompetence.
tiredolddude
Actually, I was the one who brought it up. mlb dumped a bit of cold water on it, but I think it’s applicable.
If you remember, he was going to complete the super-outfield along with Cutch and Marte. And for a while, he showed flashes
The hype on him was probably equal to what we see with Cruz, under different circumstances, of course. Cruz is looked upon as more of a savior while Polanco was the last piece of the puzzle
Look, both guys are on the same trajectory and the hype rivals only Barry Bonds in recent memory. But the difference is, Bonds was a polished player from the moment he stepped onto the field. There were no questions about his talent or upside
Cruz in that regard is much like Polanco. Many, many questions
wkkortas
The fact that Perez has some appeal says a good deal about the catching the Bucs have trotted out this season.
Robertowannabe
Perez has some appeal only as a bridge. Rodriquez should arrive next season and Davis maybe late (would be mid season if not for his HBP injuries this season) . That is the only appeal. Delay is not a bad back up, also as a bridge.
TheMan 3
Should and will are two separate things with this management.
Sorry that I have little faith in what this management will do next season. This is year 3 of a rebuild and they’re worse now than they were last year.
They lead the majors in striking out, last in runs, EBH and are amongst the worst in ERA
If Cherington cared, he’d have already DFAed VM.
mlb1225
We’re in year three of the organizational rebuild, but year two of the player and roster rebuild. The only notable player we traded in year one was Starling Marte. The Pirates didn’t do much player wise in the 2019-2020 off-season and the only trade worth mentioning from the 2020 trade deadine was Jarrod Dyson (because that’s the only trade they made), but it did get them Po-Yu chen (International bonus money). Then sent off Musgrove, Bell, Taillon, Frazier, Rodriguez, and Anderson in the 2020-2021 off-season and trade deadline.
TheMan 3
You can sugarcoat it all you like, since 2016, they’ve been unofficially in rebuild mode.
Nutting said years ago that he’d increase payroll when attendance also increased. Well it did and substantially during the team’s playoff/wild card years then he instructed at that time GM Huntington to go on a salary dump mode and hers we are, 6 years later and we’re again in another rebuild.
I’m 67, and fear I’ll never see the Pirates again in the World Series
mlb1225
Rebuild mode didn’t start until the 2019-2020 off-season, unoffical or not. Not competitng=/=rebuilding. They basically treaded water in 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019, not being good enough to compete but never getting a high draft pick. They were kind of in a limbo state like the Rockies or Angels are now. I don’t really consider them to be rebuilding team, but ones who are just sitting in a state of not good enough to compete, not bad enough to get a high-end draft selection.
Robertowannabe
I am only a couple of years behind you so I feel your pain. If Cherrington does what I believe he is going to do and work on bringing in some outside pieces to add to the talent that just started arriving to the Show, We will start seeing the fruits of his rebuild next season. I believe we will see a couple of sold FA brought in instead of just reclamation projects to be traded that have been brought in. I can see trades coming from the abundance of MI that have been acquired as well. I hope that I am right and both of us stay in good enough health for a few years to see how this turns out.
TheMan 3
according to Baseball Reference, their high payroll of 2015 ( $113 million), each year after payroll took a subtraction
$85 million in 16 and 17
$54 million in 2018
$52 million in 2019
$34 million in 2020
$28 million in 2021
Call me naïve but 7 years, they dumped $80 million from their highest payroll ever
Buuba ho tep
If that’s what you fear…then go find another team to bash. Every post by you is nothing but sarcasm and bashing. I’m your age. I’m sure the pirates will be good in a year. And as far as you bashing Cruz, he’s got 200 at bats . Leave the assessments to the pros…
tiredolddude
I think your math is a bit off, mlb. They were under .500 in ‘16 and ‘17, had a surprising year in ‘18 and it’s been downhill ever since
I’m a little confused as to what you believe ‘16 and ‘17 would qualify as, after the old regime grew impatient and just dumped the stars that were here
The “treading water” years?
Even then, we were hearing names of can’t miss prospects like Taillon, Glasnow and Meadows coming up the pipeline
Really, it’s been a never-ending story of rebuild—tear it down—rebuild, repeat
Just hope Cherington’s eye for talent is legit, as it would appear. And hope he’s allowed to bring *this* rebuild to fruition
TheMan 3
I’ve been a devoted Pirates fan since 1966, watched them through their perennial playoff teams of the 70’s, attended the game on September 30 1972 when Clemente got his 3000th and last hit, attended the 1994 All Star game at 3 Rivers stadium, through the drug scandals of the 80’s and was a season ticket holder for 30 years
I’m entitled to offer my criticism and as often as I want
Don’t like it, don’t read my opinions
tiredolddude
Hey, similar stories. My dad used to take me and my brother to Forbes Field and yeah, we were there on the last day. I may be the only guy in Pittsburgh who saw Clemente’s 2,999th hit and Schmidt’s 499th homer at Three Rivers….but not the actual milestones
And you’re right. Some seem to think being a fan means blind allegiance and unquestioning mentality.
Sorry. That’s ridiculous
I enjoy your insights
Buuba ho tep
Yea yes yea. I’ve been following them since 1965. I’ve lived through great times with the pirates . From the Great One to stargell to maz and today sure they made mistakes over the years. My dad took me to a doubleheader against the dodgers in 1966. Koufax and Drysdale piiched. Buccos won both games 1-0..That was the year it went down to the pirates dodgers and giants. As a ten year old it broke my heart that my pirates finished 3rd. But the memories.
So instead of being a grump, cheer them on…and I do agree Shelton needs to be fired.
TheMan 3
Since you’ve also witnessed the good, bad, excitement and disappointment throughout the years, I’d think you would understand my points of view without labeling my opinions as a sign of grumpiness
I do in fact cheer this team on, watch every game on television, or listen to the games on Sirius XM radio when possible.
I won’t, however, pay to attend another game, not under this current management
The public relations advertises gimmicks and giveaways to attract fans when instead putting a competitive team on the field would attract more fans.
2012-15 is evidence.
I have simply become disillusioned with the nonsense this upper management has forced upon the devoted fan but I am no means, a grump
tiredolddude
Well stated and speaks for a lot of old timers. In general, big money corrupts everything and it can be said that’s my problem with pro and college athletics now. Love the game, but not so much owners or players now
But that’s another issue
The Man nailed it perfectly. The shell game in this town continues to be screaming “small market” while reaping huge profits. What a joke
TheMan 3
Thanks, Dude
Nutting’s turned a profit in each of the years he’s owned the team and while I support capitalism and won’t begrudge owners of any company the right to profit from their investments, Nutting takes it another level
The Athletic did a piece on Nutting last year, stating that after his share of the luxury tax that funds payroll, ticket sales, his share of concessions and any percentage of memorabilia sold, that accounts for his profit.
He needn’t spend a penny of his own money to turn a profit.
And why would he?
I wouldn’t either if I was in his shoes. As long as MLB allows him this, he’ll never spend the money needed to field a championship type team
mlb1225
Perez would defintiely have some appeal to pretty much all 30 clubs. Maybe not as a starter, but I’m sure that every club would line-up to get him as their 2nd/platoon catcher. He handles pitching staffs well and is one of the best defensive backstops in the game.
tiredolddude
I have to agree with a couple local sports broadcasters who over the past few days have taken a surprising break from their 24/7 Steelers coverage to assail the Pirates of 2022. I was hoping to see some progress during “the process” this year that entailed playing the kids. On the contrary, I have to wonder about those folks who have watched the kids coming through the farm system and proclaimed that they’ll contend as early as ‘24 I don’t know if it was wishful thinking, if it was team propaganda or just faulty scouting and/or player development, it sure doesn’t look like a great deal of learning and improving has been taking place. If anything, a number of the kids seem to have regressed
Hope I’m wrong
But with all this in mind, sure, signing Perez makes a lot of sense
Robertowannabe
The local sports broadcasters in Pittsburgh have no clue who is yet to come from the minors., The only 3 that have played so far for the Bucs this season that will be helping them contend in 2024 are Contreras, Cruz, and Suwinski. One or two of the others who played may help too. Guaranteed the local guys have no clue about Rodriguez, Peguero, Priester, Burrows, Swaggerty,, Davis, and others., These guys will start showing up during next season and should help to make the Bucs very competitive in 2024.
tiredolddude
@gozurman, I hope you’re right. They provide knee jerk reactions to wins and losses. I get that.
You undoubtedly know more about the guys *haven’t* been here as of yet.
I generally like the upside of most of the kids who’ve made it here this year in comparison to the endless treadmill of bringing in guys who no one else wants.
The problem I have as a fan who watches these guys day in and day out is again, attributable to perceiving a lack of progress
Cruz gets a lot of attention for homers and the speed of throws and hits, but he continues to have some of the worst at bats since Polanco was in town. Suwinski, who I like as a hard nosed player, seems to be strikeout or homer variety at the plate. Contreras often looks like Keller with his penchant for both throwing his fastball dead red or the inability to master off speed and spin pitches
I won’t even go into the other guys and their appearances, or the pitching staff
Look, I’m not giving up on the hopes of the team contending soon. I know they’re kids and will have growing pains
It’s just hard to see them contending anytime soon. That’s all
mlb1225
@gozurman1 I agree with what you’re saying. Rotation has some potential with Priester, Burrows, and Contreras as the top 3. Put Keller in the 4th spot, who’s looked a lot better with his sinker and the rotation doesn’t look half bad. I like what I’ve seen from some guys in the upper minors though like Kyle Nicolas and Cody Bolton. Ofc, Bolton nor Nicolas are going to be aces, but they look like solid potential rotation contributors. JT Brubaker looks like a solid low-end #3 starter. Even Bryse Wilson hasn’t looked half bad since he made his sinker his primary offering.
The Pirates have a handful of young outfielders. I really would like to see the line-up of Swaggerty, Reynolds, and Suwinski in the grass for the entierity of September. That’s probably the best MLB-ready combination of power, speed, and fielding you can get from the current 40-man roster.
Tbh, I like Rodriguez a lot. Even though I know he isn’t the Pirates’ best prospect, the fact he’s done so well gives me a lot of hope. He doesn’t strikeout and he walks a ton. He hits for some power as well. I think the C/DH/1B rotation of Rodriguez and Davis is going to be really good next season.
As for the infield, I have no idea why JVM is still here. I personally have never seen such a mediocer player get so much regular/semi-regular playing time in my 21 years of being on this Earth. It’s not like the Pirates don’t have other options. Why not bring up Ji-Hwan? What about Aaron Shackelford? Literally anyone at this point but Josh VanMeter. Imo, the best possible infield the Pirates could put together right now is Hayes, Cruz, Bae/Castillo, and Chavis.
Robertowannabe
Ji-Hwan is just 3 games back from an IL trip I think he would have been up after the deadline if not for the injury,. If he would have been healthy JVM would have been gone. Would like to see Shackelford up sooner than later myself.
tiredolddude
mlb, I salute your knowledge of the minor league prospects, as I do that of gozurman. Will only disagree with your comment above regarding Cruz having a higher ceiling than Polanco. Maybe equal, possibly a bit better at this stage, but you’ll remember the hype surrounding Polanco, the reactions of those watching him come through and the quick 5 year contract.
I only bring this up because of similar trajectories. Like Polanco, Cruz is trying to right himself at this level. Let’s just hope he does
joew
While I like the idea of resigning Roberto Perez, it might be money down the tube solely for on the field performance. He’s only played more than 80 games in a season one time and that was 120 games. For a catcher 120 isn’t all that bad. I also think he was a backup much of that time?
You get 100 games out of him then it would be a decent signing but I wouldn’t put more than 2m guaranteed but add bonuses if he can stay off of the DL to get him to a 5M mark. Even if he ends up being a back up, he’ll still get paid if he stays healthy.
his off the field value could also be pretty good.
solaris602
Perez’ best years in CLE were while he was platooning with Yan Gomes. When Gomes departed, and Perez became the primary it really exposed his futility at the plate, and his defense began slipping. As long as PIT has a capable platoon partner at C he should be worth $2-3M with incentives.
TheMan 3
They’d keep Van Meter as Perez’ backup, joew
Jon M
You can reply directly to his comment
GabrielJames
Surprised an MCL tear didn’t require surgery…must have only been a partial tear?