After a confounding trade deadline in which the Cubs held onto catcher Willson Contreras and (less surprisingly) outfielder Ian Happ, they’re currently 15 games out of first place in the NL Central 19 games under .500 and 23rd in the Majors with a -74 run differential. It’s a 67-win pace that puts them on course for an even worse finish than in 2021, when they went 71-91.
Despite the poor results and a farm system ranked 18th by ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel in his post-trade-deadline update, Cubs owner Tom Ricketts declared in a statement to the Chicago Tribune that the Cubs are “making progress” on their “plan to return to championship contention.”
As one would expect, Ricketts’ comments were vague and lacking in detail. He praised manager David Ross’ ability to keep the roster “playing hard,” lamented some injuries on the pitching staff that have rendered the rotation less competitive than hoped, and cited the number of one- and two-run games in which the Cubs have been involved as evidence of how close his club is to competing. Of course, Ricketts did not address the lack of pitching depth that made those rotation injuries so problematic (and necessitated the glut of one-year stopgaps in the first place), nor did he make mention of the 19 times the Cubs have lost by five or more runs this season.
More broadly, Ricketts vowed to be “very active again” with regard to the free-agent market. There’s no denying that the Cubs, who inked a dozen players to Major League contracts last winter, were indeed “active” in free agency, but the vast majority of their signings were small-scale transactions that hardly moved the needle for the organization. The Cubs opportunistically signed Marcus Stroman to a deal that fell shy of expectations after his market didn’t develop as strongly as hoped and, in a more aggressive play, outbid the field for Nippon Professional Baseball star Seiya Suzuki.
Faced with other needs up and down the roster, however, the Cubs went with placeholders. There were plenty of rumors regarding Carlos Correa, but Correa told Gordon Wittenmyer of NBC Sports Chicago last month that the Cubs never made an actual offer and that their purported interest amounted to little more than “checking in” on his status. “They were more in that rebuilding process,” Correa told Wittenmyer. The Cubs ultimately signed Andrelton Simmons for a year and $4MM, pairing him with Jonathan Villar (one year, $6MM) in the infield.
Beyond Stroman’s three-year deal, which allows him to opt out after the 2023 season, the Cubs addressed their pitching staff by claiming Wade Miley off waivers from the payroll-slashing Reds and signing Drew Smyly to a one-year, $4.25MM deal. Relievers David Robertson, Mychal Givens, Chris Martin and Daniel Norris were signed to one-year deals with the clear intent of flipping them at the deadline, and to the credit of president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer, the Cubs succeeded in three of those four endeavors. (Norris struggled and was released last month.)
The Cubs’ only other moves of real note were a one-year, $1.5MM deal with former Yankees prospect Clint Frazier and a two-year, $13MM pact with veteran catcher Yan Gomes, the latter spurring speculation about an offseason deal involving Contreras. However, it’s mid-August and Contreras is still in Chicago, likely to net the team a compensatory draft pick in the 75 to 80 range once he rejects a qualifying offer and signs elsewhere. Frazier, meanwhile, went unclaimed on waivers back in June.
Unless Ricketts’ use of “very active again” is a reference to several years ago, when the Cubs routinely flexed their big-market muscle, it’s a bit misleading. The Cubs took a quantity-over-quality approach to the market last year, and even their big-ticket items, Stroman and Suzuki, were value plays to an extent — Stroman because of the unexpectedly short-term nature of his deal and Suzuki because the price for a potentially prime-aged, high-end right fielder was weighed down by the inherent uncertainty tied to all NPB/KBO stars who’ve yet to face MLB opposition.
There has again been speculation about the Cubs diving headlong into this offseason’s market and signing one of the premier free-agent shortstops available: Correa, Trea Turner, Xander Bogaerts or Dansby Swanson. The last time the Cubs spent anywhere near that level was when they inked the since-traded Yu Darvish for $126MM, however, and it’d be more accurate to say they haven’t truly gone to that level for a free agent since the ill-fated Jason Heyward signing.
Obviously, no team is going to be constructed primarily through free agency. History will tell us that efforts to do so are generally a fool’s errand. But the the Cubs also don’t have much in the way of locked in, long-term core pieces under club control. There’s been no indication they’ve made serious efforts to extend Contreras, who appears likely to sign elsewhere this winter. That leaves Nico Hoerner, Christopher Morel, Justin Steele, Keegan Thompson and (if he pans out) Suzuki as the closest things resembling long-term options on the roster. Happ will be a free agent after the 2023 season. Nick Madrigal has struggled immensely since returning from last year’s season-ending hamstring tear. Much of the remaining roster is comprised of journeymen already in their 30s (e.g. Patrick Wisdom, Rafael Ortega, Adrian Sampson, Mark Leiter Jr.).
Hoyer, by all accounts, did well at the 2021 trade deadline working to move short-term rentals everyone expected to move. Outfielder Pete Crow-Armstrong, in particular, was a nice pull from the Mets organization and now ranks prominently among the sport’s top 50 prospects at Baseball America and at FanGraphs. The attrition rate among prospects is enormous, however, and the Cubs don’t have the type of bustling farm system that affords them too many opportunities to miss. The system is also thin on high-end pitching prospects, which is problematic — particularly when considering the organization’s general struggles to develop pitchers; in the past decade, the only pitchers drafted by the Cubs with at least 1 WAR in the Majors are Zack Godley (1.4), Dylan Cease (7.4), Steele (1.9) and Thompson (2.5). Steele and Thompson are the only ones to find success wearing a Cubs uniform.
None of this is to say the Cubs are somehow doomed. The front office and player development staff has turned over, to varying extents, following Hoyer’s ascension to head of baseball operations. The farm system is undeniably better off than when the Cubs set out into this rebuild. Hoyer and his staff deserve credit for the prospects reeled in at the ’21 trade deadline, and the recent decision to deal Scott Effross with another five years of club control remaining netted them a pitcher (Hayden Wesneski) who is arguably the organization’s top arm now.
Ownership talk of “progress” and being “very active,” however, is undoubtedly an effort to boost fan interest for the 2023 season, but with so much work yet to be done, it’s hard to imagine the Cubs turning things around and competing as early as next season. Even if they were to add a marquee shortstop this winter, they’d likely be doing so while simultaneously bidding farewell to one of the game’s better catchers, rendering a theoretical new addition closer to a break-even proposition than it’d appear at first glance (from an overall team value perspective).
If anything, the biggest factor in the Cubs’ “progress” seems to just be the passing of time. They’re one year closer to being out from under Heyward’s contract and shedding smaller but unpalatable contractual commitments (e.g. David Bote, the money being paid to the Padres under the Darvish trade). By the time the 2023-24 offseason rolls around, the Cubs will be down to $50MM in guaranteed money on the following season’s books — or just $29MM if Stroman opts out. That 2024 season feels like a more realistic target for a truly competitive roster.
jtla502
Great article. Ricketts needs to prove he’s willing to do something major. I don’t think Cubs fans trust management’s motives anymore.
Big whiffa
Wrigley is a tourist attraction. Cubs don’t need fan base approval and besides, fans always come back.
Cubs need to keep tanking. They don’t have anywhere near the talent to build around.
Monkey’s Uncle
As a Pirate fan I’ve heard for years how PNC Park is one of the top 2 or 3 ballparks in America. But fans will not continually go to a great park to watch a bad product. Wrigley has all sorts of nostalgia and way more of a population to draw from, but fans will eventually not go as often if they keep having to see an inferior team, especially a directionless team.
stevep-4
Uh, history has disproved your notion, over the course of many generations. And btw, I have NEVER heard someone say ‘I have to go to Pittsburgh and see a game in PNC Park’, and never will.
Wrigley and Fenway have their own little subculture of fans, and it has little to do with the amenities of the park – in fact, it literally cannot. These are historical landmarks of a sort and as such will draw fans regardless of the quality of the team playing there.
User 163535993
People will go see a Park where Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig played. People, I know, Haven’t haven’t said, Gee, I’d really like to go to see a park where Willie Stargell and Roberto Clemente never played.
Lyman Bostock
Ruth and Gehrig never played at the current Yankee stadium. I can’t speak for the whole population obviously, but every Puerto Rican baseball fan I know wants to go see the Clemente statue and the bridge. Including me.
superunclea
Every AL hall of fame has played at Fenway though.
raz427
I actually went to PNC on the 4th of July this year. It was a great atmosphere and the fans were gracious and friendly. I’m not of Latin descendent (I’m Indian), but I made an effort to see the Clemente statue, the bridge they closed it off due to the game but I also saw Stargell statue and Wagner’s as well. It’s an amazing ballpark and only true fans of the sport would want to go see a MLB ballpark. I would definitely recommend PNC for anyone who hasn’t visited it yet. I will definitely come back to it.
Also, I live in Chicago and I hate Wrigley and Guaranteed Trash Field. It’s just not an exciting experience as people make it out to be. I rather participate in the deep plunge in the winter than having to go to either of those ballparks.
louwhitakerisahofer
Tell me you weren’t around in the 70s/80s without telling me you weren’t around in the 70s/80s.
Wrigley Field struggled to draw fans after years of uncompetitive teams. It has happened and it will happen again, especially with the Cubs insane ticket prices in comparison to the quality of product on the field
capnfatback
Nah. The Cubs had horrible attendance during the Banks/Williams/Santo years. Unless by “many” generations you meant “two,” as attendance didn’t pick up until 1984. Even then it hadn’t been consistently upper tier until the WS win (look at some figures at the mid-90s when the team was awful for an example).
PNC is regarded one of the best parks in baseball. It’s a destination park for people who have been there before. If you haven’t, you shouldn’t go. You’re missing out.
JoeBrady
but every Puerto Rican baseball fan I know wants to go see the Clemente statue
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The problem is, folks go to work or to visit Chicago all the time. Pittsburgh, not so very much. I have Mets’ friends that might want to go to Chicago to watch the Mets, but not really PT.
louwhitakerisahofer
He’s a used car salesman that delivered one fantastic year for Cubs fans. Now it’s strictly about growing his business profits. (Good for him, that’s his agenda).
laswagn
I don’t think that’s correct. Few teams can field a losing team and fans still show up to the ballpark, the Cubs being one of them. I would say Yankees, Dodgers, Red Sox, Cardinals and Giants being the others.
Samuel
Monkey’s Uncle;
Do not apply logic to Cubs fans. In fact, in general Chicago sports fans are not to be measured by the same yardstick as most other American cites. The area is totally sports nuts; you’d have to be there to observe it. All sports.
Fans are going to turn out to Wrigley no matter the team on the field. It’s like a cult. And don’t talk about the 50’s and Ernie Banks and Billy Williams and small attendance. There are photos of crowds in Yankee Stadium and Fenway Park at that time that weren’t even half full. America is sports crazy now, and Chicagoans are at the top of the list.
johnrealtime
While I don’t disagree with your notion that fans will see bad Cub teams, PNC has been at the top of my to-see list for years and have met other baseball fans who say the same thing. One of the most beautiful parks in the majors
Rsox
This.
Pittsburgh is not a vacation city and its not really a travel for business city either. Ballparks are rarely vacation destinations unless it’s part of the plan. If you take a trip to SoCal you’re probably more interested in going to Disneyland or the beach than Dodger Stadium, same if you go to Florida you’re probably not thinking “let’s check out a Marlins game”. However, if in Chicago you probably would want to go to Wrigley (even though it has lost a lot of luster thanks to the “upgrades” to the stadium) or in Boston you would probably add Fenway to your itinerary. Old Yankees Stadium in New York the same. I like PNC but it is not a prime destination for anyone. Perhaps if the late 80’s-early 90’s Pirates could somehow magically replace the current team than maybe
User 163535993
Fenway has undergone just as many renovations if not more than Wrigley. Ricketts took the Fenway model and built up not only the park but the Neighborhood as well. To expect 100 year old stadiums to remain the same without upgrades is ridiculous. I suppose you would like going back to peeing in a trough as opposed to a urinal? However both owners have done a great job of upgrading without changing the basic designs that made them great in the first place and Ricketts spent billions on that without actually receiving any help or credit for it.
bucsfan0004
Pittsburgh is more of a business city than you would think.
User 163535993
Nobody but you even brought up Yankee stadium so way to interject a useless fact into a conversation. Atta Boy
Champs64
Raz427, I cannot agree more. I have been to a couple dozen MLB parks and PNC is near the top of the list. Definitely worth the trip.
popitforpoppa
the pirates are literally bottom 3 in home attendance every year apparently it’s not on anyone else’s must see list lmao
CujoMarlin
That’s interesting. I certainly have heard people that want to go to the best parks, even if the team isn’t interesting. Anyway, carry on about how the Cubs are destined for greatness.
rct
@stevep-4: “And btw, I have NEVER heard someone say ‘I have to go to Pittsburgh and see a game in PNC Park’, and never will. ”
I did it last summer. It was great. Absolutely beautiful park and outfield backdrop. Highly recommend it to anyone who can get there.
So now you have heard at least one person say it.
User 163535993
Now all they need is a new owner and team.
Pads Fans
Pittsburgh is a top 5 ballpark. Incredibly beautiful and fan friendly. Its was on my bucket list of parks to see in 2019 when we went for the 1st time.
The Cubs will draw fans no matter what, but they have not sold out every game so even Chicago fans have their limits of suckiness they will endure while still buying tickets. Attendance is down 6k per game in Wrigley this season from 2018-2019. Its very similar this season to what it was in 2013-2014 when you could walk up on game day and buy a ticket to almost any game.
duhawk83
Totally disagree, prior to the arrival of Harry Caray Wrigley field was rarely sold out. It was only his commentary on the rooftops and the babes in bleachers along with an improved product on the field that brought bus loads of fans from around the midwest.
If inflation continues, will anyone be left who wants to shell out well over $100 to see bad baseball, I think not, Ivy or no Ivy.
swissvale
Peeing in a urinal as opposed to a trough?
40 people can pee in a trough as opposed to waiting for a urinal
You embarrassed about something?
oldtimer
Cub fans have a perennial knack for delusion. They believe they are always better than they are! I’m a Cub fan but a realistic one. Rickets’s could care less if the team wins. It’s his cash cow and that’s all that matters to him. By the way Wrigley is a dump. But the fans and the media keep propping it up. It should have been torn down with Ebbits, Crosley, and the Pollo Grounds!!
Rsox
Hot Midwestern girls can pretty much sell anything to anyone including ice to Eskimos
jdan74
@Monkey’s Uncle This is very true nowadays. Cubs fans expect a competitive team now. The days of the “lovable losers” are over. I know a lot of people that stopped going to the games the past few years.
WhenMattStairsIsKing
Not to deter from the main conversation too much, but PNC is an absolutely gorgeous park that has the feel of old school stadiums with modern amenities. People SHOULD be saying ‘I have to go to Pittsburgh and see a game in PNC Park.’
Anyway, Wrigley will always have great attendance, but I don’t think we live in an era where fans are as ho-hum about not competing as in eras past, especially with how much it costs to go to a game now; most fans aren’t going to pay hundreds of dollars to see their home team eviscerated.
Ricketts, to me, seems like he bought the team and immediately wanted to throw his money around and get a win, but has been lethargic ever since. I don’t know if he’s getting pushback from other family members on spending like he did or if he feels like he got his win and he’s content now, but I am not at all convinced that he wants to spend like he did.
WhenMattStairsIsKing
I agree attendance is not a sure thing even at Wrigley, but it is true that Wrigleyville in 2022 is not the Wrigleyville of 1972 and people are much more inclined to go to the park now. Wrigleyville was in rough shape in the Santo/Banks eras.
CujoMarlin
Wrigley and Fenway have not always been tourist destinations. They are the remaining old parks and affinity towards them has grown. Maybe in 50 years PNC will gain that status. Regardless, it’s a beautiful park now. Go see it for yourself.
duhawk83
Once the Cubs one the World Series and the heroes of that winning season have now been dispatched around baseball, the whole dynamic around the Cubs changed. Fans expect the team to be contenders year in and year out.
rondon
Whiffed as usual. With all the insight of a drunk guy in the bleachers. Between you, (obviously a hater) and MLBTR, who continue to only seem to use ESPN as a source in the Cub’s system ranking, you don’t wanna give their farm any credit at all. Fangraphs has their system listed in the top 5. At least put that in the equation.
Rsox
The problem with farm system rankings appears to be in the evaluation process. Fangraphs has the Cubs ranked 4th in all of Baseball while Baseball America has the 15th, ESPN 18th. Ricketts can literally go to as many websites as he he wants to and cherry pick the best ranking because you can go to 5 different sites and get 5 different rankings. Its all subjective
rondon
You put it all in the equation. You also can’t just cherry pick the worst.which is what they did in this article.
rondon
Same old stupid line. You’re an embarrassment to Cardinal fans.
Dogbone
I also don’t believe a word Ricketts says.
Aside from that though, the Cubs farm system rankings are getting higher with every passing month. Although there are only a handful of players at AAAIowa. But in AA and High A ball, they have a good number of players performing quite well. Pitchers as well as hitters. The system is currently ranked comfortably inside the top 10, in most if not all, ranking orgs.
Pads Fans
Only in one, Fangraphs. All the rest have them 15th to 18th.
Led Hoyer
Baseball Prospectus they were 7th at the beginining of the year. I haven’t seen an update. The point was the example used was literally the gloomiest outlook of anyone.
refugee
Where is Tatis Jr ranked as far as all time dumb @$$es?
Deadguy
Oh jareally na?
Yep it is
Just another Billionaire owner making all the $$$ and saying what he thinks fans will believe. Ran by a front office that has taken lessons from the Colorado Rockies. What a shame for the fans of Chicago.
Deleted Userr
Test
User 3595123227
Not believing what this guy is putting out there. I’d like to but just can’t.
Sideline Redwine
Clown.
keysox
Money grabber
keysox
Sure
User 3595123227
Your face is a clown.
CujoMarlin
Sorry for the skepticism, but I just don’t see a large enough number of high-end prospects in their system to build around. This article outlines that pretty well. Also, the lack of contributions from homegrown pitching is astonishing. Bottom line, I don’t think it’s a given that a return to contention will happen easily. This is totally different than their last rebuild, which centered around a multitude of top 10 draft picks.
User 163535993
Try watching some of them play before writing dung like this.
Jerry Cantrell
Doesn’t the article even say that their farm system is ranked 18th?
User 163535993
By an idiot they are ranked 18th.
drasco036
This article is clearly written with anti-Cub spin. It’s actually a common theme with Steve Adams.
Fangraphs, last I checked, had the Cubs farm system ranked 5th in baseball because they use a monetary future value ranking system and the Cubs system is pretty flush with prospects that they predict will have solid ML careers.
The Cubs do lack the high end talent outside of (IMO) Pete Crow-Armstrong, Alcantara, Triantos, Hernandez as far as guys who jump off the page. I’m low on Davis due to his low batting average and high strike out rates. But the Cubs also have some really intriguing guys who I could easily see as being solid 1-2 WAR guys like Candario, Caissie, Made, Ball, Nwogu is really interesting to me. Then you have Mervis… dudes been unbelievable this year.
I think every pitcher is a “wild card” per-say and the Cubs have a lot of guys in the system. Wesneski is really exciting but Ben Brown is the most exciting guy we have in the system. He’s been lights out since coming back from TJ, pounding the zone with mid-90s fastballs to the tune of 117K’s to just 24 walks.
I actually love what Hoyer has done with the system. He knows the high strike out/high power guys and has targeted some in trade. He’s done a good job going 180 with high contact who could develop power (and in Alcatara and PCA’s case have) and he hired a whole lot of people who know pitching to round out the front office. Nabbing Wesneski and Brown in trade is proof on concept and going arm heavy in the draft. Horton was a head scratcher until the nabbed Ferris in the second round.
refugee
“This article is clearly written with anti-Cub spin. It’s actually a common theme with Steve Adams.”
Absolutely spot on. Adams rarely has anything decent to say about the Cubs, particularly management.
The Natural
I too have seen Mr Adam’s consistent Cub negativity. Funny thing is, I’m pretty sure his boss (Tim Dierkes) is a Cub fan.
You can hate their politics and not trust them all you want, but they spent close to a billion of their own money rebuilding Wrigley, they made 3 conseutive NLCS appearances. They also built a killer new spring training facility, (Arguably the best in MLB), spent a fortune on a new academy in the Dominican and had to completely upgrade all the orgs technology. There’s more, but you get the idea. I see no reason to hate these owners.
Pads Fans
By everyone other than Fangraphs they are ranked 15th to 18th.
CujoMarlin
You’re just being biased. The only that matters is the one that ranks them the best. Haven’t you seen the Cubs fans telling you this all along?
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fwiw, for all the slings one sends the Ricketts for turning the area around Wrigley field into Pottersville or Biffland, he’s actually a down to earth guy if you meet him. He routinely greets fans in the concourse and showed up at a Cub season ticketholder focus group that my buddy dragged me to, even if the hapless Crane Kenny was on the dais.
Just think that what he believes is smart business overlaps with but is always consistent with or necessarily on par with fan expectations of what an elightened ownership group should do. Sort of overlapping ven diagrams.
Appreciate that in our meeting he was adamant about staying out of baseball decisions, unlike say a certain Arte Moreno, this was even before they brought Theo on board. So reason for our fellow Cub fan friends to remain cautiously optimistic- he’s not opposed to spending $ or reinvesting in a rebuild, so long as it serves his family’s interest of accumulating the filthy lucre. In that respect, he’s similar to Jerry Reinsdorf on the other side of town.
Jerry Cantrell
18th ranked farm system. Maybe YOU should go watch them play. Without the blinders on may help.
Led Hoyer
In fairness there are plenty of other rankings that have them much higher. They have many players in the top 100 and have a very strong top 30. I think 18th is probably about as bad of a ranking as you could possibly find.
rondon
Fangraphs has them as a top 5 system. Believing ESPN is what requires blinders.
CujoMarlin
So, the ranking that has them higher is to be believed. But the one with a lower ranking cannot be even considered. It sounds like you might also have on blinders.
Emilia
I personally don’t believe in the farm system rankings. They are usually pretty much spot on with the first 5, but much more of an opinionated crap shoot thereafter.
CujoMarlin
So you don’t see any reason to be skeptical of the Cubs chances to return to contention? It will just happen. If so, I just can’t understand the confidence. If my team was not good, I’d be really unsure regardless of however optimistic view I might take. Baseball is really hard to project.
TrueOutcomeFan
This is actually a pretty terrible assessment by MLBTR. The only real info offered is hidden behind a paywall and happens to be the lowest on the Cubs farm.
TrueOutcomeFan
Because they lack actual baseball evaluation talent at the World Wide Leader. They’ve all left or been canned. They feed the prospect hype narrative more than most. Gotta be consistent.
ChiSoxCity
Regarding Stroman, the Cubs (nor the Sox) never sign any free agents who perform well enough to opt out early. Just reinforces how risk averse (cheap) both clubs have been in Chicago.
Samuel
ChiSoxCity;
Cheap?
LOL
As I wrote below……
The Cubs got Wade Miley.
And your Sox got Craig Kimbrel – who knocked it out of the park with his $16m salary in 2021…..which you complained about in the offseason…..that they then turned into AJ Pollock playing for $14.5m this year and due $10m next.
Say it s l o w l y…..
“It’s not the money you spend, it’s how you spend it.”
ChiSoxCity
Let me let you in on a little’secret’. Teams give relief pitchers money because there’s zero commitment. They can easily trade them at any given time, as we saw with the Sox and Kimbrel. It’s a short term investment that can be liquidated easily if the team performs poorly. It’s not an indication that a team is heavily investing in the roster, no matter how much a reliever makes.
duhawk83
Risk averse or was it a calculated strategy to avoid losing a valuable pick in the draft. The Cubs second round pick turned out to be Jackson Ferris. This guy projects to be a very good pitcher. If for a team filled with journeyman players loosing that pick because of draft compensation would have gotten them no closer to the playoffs. Bottom Line is that the Chicago Cubs need to develop their own starting pitching.
Samuel
Speaking of Wade Miley……..
I read both writers and posters here telling me that Miley was a killer pickup from the Reds – a franchise too stupid to know up from down.
Appears the budget conscious Cubs have gotten 19 innings out of him for a measly $10m.
Sure who knows about the future. Wouldn’t jump to any conclusions this coming offseason. No guarantees in this lifetime.
User 3663041837
Honestly Miley has a track record of injuries recently I’m not too surprised the Reds just wanted his contract off the books.
JoeBrady
Miley was a killer pickup from the Reds – a franchise too stupid to know up from down.
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Almost all writers are liberals.
All of them side with the union.
So when a team rebuilds, they feel a moral obligation to feign indignant righteousness about it. With the season 2/3rds over, I feel we can safely say the writers were 100% wrong. The Reds gave up:
Gray (1.3 WAR/$10.2M)
Winker (0.3/$6.2M)
Suarez (2.5/$11.3M)
Barnhart (-0.5/$7.5M)
Castellanos (-0.6/$20M)
Miley (0.6/$10M)
Even without consideration of prospects/draft picks received, they gave up 3.6 WAR and $65.2M. And at the season’s end, not a single writer will stand up and admit that they were atrociously wrong.
The Natural
Absolutely correct and kudos to you for saying it flat out.
censorshipsuxblowme
Almost all writers are liberals.
All of them side with the union.
tell me you’re a moron without calling yourself a moron.
brain dead, inbred, born again:
conservatives in a nutshell.
The Natural
What a witty retort and screen name.
User 3663041837
That’s a lie.
Monkey’s Uncle
You can’t go halfway on becoming a contender. You’re either all-in to compete, or all-in to rebuild, at least you should be if you want it to work. Signing a Stroman and a Suzuki is great… but not if you’re going to use duct tape and plywood to cover up your many other holes in the lineup.
As a Pirate fan it can be immensely frustrating when they seldom spend any money. But at least now we’re starting to see the fruits of an actual rebuild after 15 or more years of “maybe we’ll compete, but probably not”. There have been and continue to be several interesting youngsters coming up the pipeline into the majors. Many will not work out, but it’s at least a lot more interesting to watch to see if they will. And there’s actually hope for once.
Do the Cubs have that hope right now? They’ve got some very talented regulars, but not enough of them, and there’s a big drop-off between the good and the middling on their roster. And I’ve seen a few prospects coming up, but not many. And unless they’re going to go out and really spend, which a lot of people seem to question their ability or want to do, then how are things going to get much better anytime soon?
Deleted Userrr
Sure you can. The Guardians and Rockies do it every year and their fans defend it with their lives.
CubsWin108
the guardians haven’t signed anyone recently what?
Deleted Userrr
But they do go halfway on being a contender every year.
Deleted Userr
Have fun losing Contreras for a 2nd/3rd round sandwich pick, LOL
Holy Cow!
A bump in the road. This isn’t the same as trading Soto or Sale.
Deleted Userr
Yeah. It’s worse. Their teams got hauls for then to jumpstart their rebuilds and move their contention windows up several years. The Cubs are going to lose Contreras for nothing but a sandwich pick.
thefallensoldier
You think a rental catcher should have gotten them a monster haul?
Deleted Userr
No!
But certainly a better return than a 2nd/3rd round sandwich pick, which is all Contreras represents to the Cubs at this point.
mike127
First of all, and I know I’m in the minority right now—but I’m saying he’s not turning down the QO IF the Cubs give it to him. He’ll take the 18-19+ for one year to stay with the Cubs on do it all over again next year.
If not, can you please enlighten us on the 1st and/or 2nd rounders that the Mets, Astros, Padres MIGHT have been offering that are dead on better than they will get with the sandwich pick.
Obviously, the Cubs did not get the offer that THEY assumed was better than the alternatives post season.
Deleted Userr
@mike127 Contreras will 100% receive the QO and he will 100% reject it.
And I don’t think your question can be answered because it requires inside knowledge. Common sense and the returns surrendered for other players at this year’s deadline both say the Cubs could have gotten more than one draft pick immediately before the third round starts for the catcher who just started the ASG for the NL squad.
Holy Cow!
Examples, please.
Deleted Userr
I’m a Padres fan. A player we recently took at a comparable spot would be Robert Gasser. We don’t exactly need Contreras but if we did and he hadn’t already gone to the Brewers in the Hader trade yeah I’d have traded Gasser + a lottery ticket to the Cubs for Contreras. That gets the Cubs someone with a bit more floor than that comp pick and then the lottery ticket has any number of possible outcomes.
Holy Cow!
Gasser is similar to what the Cubs got in Brown for Robertson. So, I wouldn’t doubt that Jed had his sights set higher.
But most of the teams that were buyers weren’t hurting at C or for another bat. And those that did (Mets, Rays, Astros, etc.) went for smaller upgrades.
Deleted Userr
Well Gasser is what he’s gonna get now.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Meh, cant blame Hoyer too much. Contreras wasn’t that marketable aside from the echo chamber that is Cubbie nation. Diva who can hit but is a sieve behind the plate. Contenders like the Yankees, Astros, Mets, Dodgers and Rays weren’t about to entrust their pitching staff to him.
Holy Cow!
So, why trade for Gasser when the Cubs can draft their own guy with the extra pick and the added flexibility of the enhanced bonus pool? Doesn’t seem to be a significant difference in value here, just a preference in what Jed wants to do.
Deleted Userr
Like I said. Gasser has a higher floor and it wouldn’t have been 1 for 1. The Cubs probably could have gotten an additional piece along with Gasser.
But hey, at least you didn’t go with the ridiculous arguments that trading Contreras would have been the difference between signing him and not signing him or that trading him would have negatively impacted what teams were willing to offer for their future trade chips like the other Delusional Debbies did. I hate that.
The Natural
@harambe At this point Contreras is a man without a position. Check his standings defensively at Fangraphs….somthing like 41st among qualified catchers. Almost any other catcher is a better defender by advanced metrics. He’s one of the worst baserunners in MLB. Sure he hustles his butt off, but his decision making is beyond stupid. And he has done it for years with no end in sight. Give me two Yan Gomes any day and spend Willsons money elsewhere.
Deleted Userr
I told you Contreras is rejecting the QO
mlbtraderumors.com/2022/08/forecasting-the-2022-23…
User 163535993
Have fun losing Contreras for a sandwich pick. If you use common sense, It was obviously more than they were being offered. Not that common sense ever got in the way of a good hater comment. Twitter awaits.
User 163535993
Like I’ve said repeatedly, The only thing the Cubs should be spending big money on is an ACE, whether they sign one or trade for one. They don’t need a 200 million plus SS. That won’t make them any kind of instant contender. The Cubs farm system for years got a bad rap because their Minor League instructors were sub par. Hawkins revamped the whole system and prospects have finally started moving up through the system at a rapid rate. There is help coming and coming soon. Hoyer has a plan. It was the same plan Epstein sold Ricketts when he got the job and then trashed almost immediately. They might not contend next year but the year after that is a possibility so all you dregs who keep hating for no other reason than you always have keep it up, You’ll look stupid as you sound.
Dogbone
Mike, nice summary of what’s going on with the boys. Hoyer is taking a slower route of building a foundation, that I believe is preferable to Ricketts because it’s the cheaper way of doing it. And Hawkins was apparently a nice addition. The pitchers are coming!
User 163535993
I think the guy the Cubs could get would be Ohtani. Let’s face it, the Angels aren’t going anywhere fast and their farm system is arguably the worst in baseball history. Other than hitting on Trout with a late round 1st, Exactly what have they done? I know the Cubs wanted him badly before Moreno went nuts with the cash. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs signed Darvish hoping Ohtani would follow. I’m not sure of the timing on that, but it was certainly curious how fast the Cubs launched Darvish after signing him and he was pretty good here. The Cubs have some pieces to trade from and Ohtani isn’t exactly old so I’d be looking into it. Maybe Moreno is tired of paying for Mediocrity and wants a new start.
Steve Rogers
Are you sitting down? Ohtani is projected at $50 million per and maybe higher. Whoever signs him will exceed the MLB luxury payroll tax ceiling. Probably at a 50% cost which means its a bad deal for the team that outbid everyone for Ohtani. Count the Cubs out of this one.
TJT88
If the Cubs plan on contending in the near future they need to re-up Heyward for another 3-5 years and build around him.
Na na forreal no more joking! At the bare minimum they need to keep Contreras
azcjr 2
More noise. Mgt said they would be active and came away with a soso outfielder and Andrelet8n Simmons.Bog market teams rebuilding leads to unwatchable years. Cubs record since last deadline is criminal.
Kayrall
I’m not sure why MLBTR continues to cherry pick the ESPN farm ranking as they did in the emailed subscription article. MLB, Baseball America, and Baseball Prospectus have them much higher. 18th is objectively an inaccurate ranking. They may currently lack the top 5 type prospect, but beyond that are incredibly deep with future major league talent at all of their levels.
CubsWin108
ESPN is awful lmao
Android Dawesome
Bleacher Nation had an article about this and how subjective the ESPN ranking is. One 70 FV player would take the Cubs from 18th to 2nd. 70 is a lot but it goes to show you how highly ESPN rankings value top tier players.
Pads Fans
18th, 15th, and 15th respectively for those 3 you mentioned. ESPN had them 18th, so similar to those 3. Bleacher report which uses a consensus of 6 including all 3 of those plus ESPN, Fangraphs, and the Athletic has them at 15th.
The Cubs farm system is middle of the pack.
The Natural
But thanks to drunken sailor Prellar, far superior to the Padres.
rondon
Pads… Every one of them outside of Fangraphs put a ton of weight on how many ‘close to ready’ prospects a system has. While the Cubs have 4 in the top 100, most of their strength is still in the lower minors and won’t be ready for awhile. If you don’t follow their farm pretty closely, you don’t see it.
RyanD44
Aaron Judge would be a big statement for fans to get back on board with the Cubs. Even if it turns out to be a bad contract towards the end, giving fans an icon to rally behind would be a big vote of confidence for the team.
I think offer Judge 10 years, $325 million would bring him to Chicago, and while the back end of that deal would likely be atrocious, Judge would be loved in Wrigleyville, the Cubs can easily afford it and they could start building around him.
Cmurphy
That’s a gamble with his injury history. He missed like 140 games from 2018-2020. And while he’s been healthy lately, can that be maintained for a majority of a 10 year contract at a 32M AAV?
RyanD44
I can’t think of any long term contract for a hitter that has looked good all the way through. The Judge signing would be setting a foundation.. Sure, there’s risk, but his presence alone combined with his production would pay for itself through ticket sales and merchandise.
Cmurphy
That’s why I say majority, I wouldn’t imagine any long term contract would be golden all the way through it. Ticket sales and merchandising has never been a problem for the Cubs.
That said, I’d love to see Judge at Wrigley. If they pull the trigger like that, they’d have to go all in and do more than just one monster contract. They’d have to sign an ace pitcher, or two.
adkuchan
Cabrera’s 8 year 152 million deal in 2008 was a top 5 all time contract at the time & he was awesome pretty much every year. Of course, he was 25 when he signed that one.
pt57
An OF is the one thing the Cubs don’t really need.
mike127
pt57—-correct—–the big name for them to cherry pick is Nolan Arenado.
That said, if the outfielder IS Aaron Judge, great—but they need to improve third base (and first base) drastically. They have a wealth of outfielders in the system and have Suzuki locked for a handful of years.
Holy Cow!
Yeah, I was thinking that Arenado wouldn’t opt out. After seeing the year he is having, he might do it.
Buyer beware, though. He may be having a career year and a HOF trajectory, but he will decline. The gamble is how much.
The Natural
If I’m Hoyer, Arenado is my first target. He’s worth much more on the open market than his current deal. Third is a big hole to plug and his bat at Wrigley would be quite productive,
vaderzim
Aaron Judge
User 163535993
I would love to see Judge on the Cubs as much as anyone. But let’s face it, He isn’t leaving the Yankees. I like to dream too, but in the end, It’s not feasible.
duhawk83
I agree that Judge is not leaving the Yankees; but I would add that where the Yankees are it in terms of contending compared to the Cubs makes him far more valuable to the Yankees than the Cubs.
pt57
Christ, no.
By the time the a Cubs are ready to contend, he’ll be 33-34.
Keep the budget clean and make a run at Soto.
vaderzim
Not a bad idea for the Cubs, hopefully San Diego doesn’t unload $650 million for Soto.
duhawk83
To me eating the last year of Jason Heyward’s contract is a signal that they are using logic; sunk contract costs are just that. Second; I suspect the declining attendence this year has caught their attention and a realization that people aren’t going to spend scarce dollars to see bad baseball.
User 163535993
To me it’s a final realization that he sucks.
duhawk83
that too!
CubsWin108
what declining attendence? you must not have watched any games this year. Every game Wrigley is packed. Even recently.
duhawk83
Max capacity Wrigley Field 41K seats
Eliminating the covid years avg capacity
2016 – 39,986
2017 – 39,501
2018 – 38,794
2019 – 38,208
2022 – 32,881
From 2022 projects the Cubs to be down about 495,000 people from previous seasons.
Led Hoyer
Yep. 500,000 people is a lot of 16 dollar beers not to mention foot traffic around wrigley which the Ricketts have invested a ton of money. Be smart with free agent signings and they will be competing for the playoffs very soon.
duhawk83
Don’t forget the impact of declining ratings on the Marquee network and ad revenue.
James1955
Heyward. Worst contract in MLB history. Great to see you go.
drasco036
Heyward wasn’t the worst contract in mlb history… his contract isn’t even in the top 10.
duhawk83
Top 20 though
adkuchan
Chris Davis says hello.
drasco036
Jacoby ellsbury? Crawl Crawford? Ian Desmond
duhawk83
Mike Hampton, Josh Hamilton. Pablo Sandoval…roung up the usual suspects
timmyt
It was bad , but not even close to the worst.
stroh
The full season World Series winners over the past 5 years -Astros, Red Sox, Nationals, Braves built their farm system, produced really good home grown talent and then added pieces in the free agent market. Even the high payroll Dodgers had done that until more recently when they have regularly splurged. Cubs need to add and bring up more high end talent from the farm before they splurge in free agency. Most splurges end up not paying dividends so when you do splurge it should be specific adds to put your team over the top.
duhawk83
Couldn’t agree more Free Agency is about addind a badly missing piece not a strategy to build a winning roster.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Ricketts = Bob Nutting with ZERO excuses
User 163535993
Everyone is putting way too much emphasis on SPENDING over DEVELOPING talent. Let’s face reality, Last year you had a 1st year GM and President who were basically forbidden from doing their jobs because of the lockout. So when the lockout ends, you take a bunch of flyers on cheap talent hoping for a miracle that they can either compete in a lame division or at least prove viable for some trade prospects. So you have a bunch of vets, no spring training which they desperately needed and young arms. Ross did a great job of managing the bullpens older arms, But the starters all got injured early and often. So you can’t blame Hawkins, Hoyer and Ross for what happened, Although Ricketts and the Owners surely should shoulder most of the blame. I’m not unhappy about the job Hawkins did as he was tossed into cesspool and came up swimming IMO. I am looking ahead, Not in the rear view mirror and all these haters can KMA.
CubsWin108
I think the future is very bright, were a alright team this year talent wise, and I think the Cubs will be a good team again as soon as next year.
C: We’re gonna resign Contreras, he’s a top 5 catcher and we have the money and relationship. we also have Yan Gomes who is a amazing backup to have.
1b: Frank is the guy for now, probably gonna have to aqquire or sign somebody.
2b: Madigral is the future here, no doubt about it…
Ss: We’re lucky to have Nico Hourner on the team, he’s a future all-star who is gonna get even better.
3b: It’s Wisdom for now, hes a amazing power bat, but not long-term
Lf: I think were gonna resign Happ, hes a amazing player, and once again we have the money and relationship.
Cf: It’s kind of a tossup. Pete vs Davis… one of them has to be good.
Rf: Seiya is the future, he’s gonna be good, hes got the drive and ability.
SP: Steele and Thompson are future 2-4’s, Hendricks will be a soild 5 probably next year. You got Stroman of course, and we have a couple good SP prospects.
RP: Cubs are a top 5 team in the league when it comes to delevoping bullpens, we’ve had the best bullpen since the deadline, even after trading our top 4. We are simply so good at signing rp’s and getting sucsess, they’ve been doing it since 2018. I don’t see it stopping.
This is most likely a playoff team easily next year, all we we need to do is sign a solid 1b and 3b, and some pitchers and were set.
User 163535993
Wow talk about rose colored glasses. Frank is not the guy, has never been the guy and never will be the guy. Contreras is gone. Wisdom has way too much swing and miss to be a guy. Happ is average and will probably be dealt, if not in the off season then at the deadline next year. Not sure about Madrigal either. In fact the only place we agree on is Steele, Thompson and the bullpen but hey I love the optimism. Keep swingin!
Led Hoyer
I don’t agree with most of that but Hoyer does seem to have a golden touch with finding value bullpen arms.
CujoMarlin
You have listed a team that is largely the same as this year and they are ~20 games under .500 currently.
Very Barry
C – Why would you resign an aging catcher to a rebuilding team???
1b – Nobody in organization good enough to consider for future here.
2b – The White Sox quickly figured out that Madrigal was NOT a long term solution.
SS – Nico is placeholder until team can spend money on a better option.
3b – Nobody in organization good enough to consider for future here. (Wisdom?? Lol)
LF – Ian Happ will ensure the Cubs are slightly below average in LF. They will eventually pay him big $$$ for mediocre production.
CF.- Nobody in organization good enough to consider for future here. Pete will have to change positions.
RF – Several Mediocre options.
Pads Fans
RF – Suzuki – 108 OPS+ with slightly below league average defense in his first season in the majors. How many rookies can say they hit above league average?
LF – Happ – 120 OPS+ with above average defense. He is going to be expensive and worth it.
Hoerner – 112 OPS+ and plus defense. That is not a placeholder, its a piece you build around.
Morel – 116 OPS+. A 23 year old 2B forced into action in CF Madrigal is going to stay at 2B. He is above average with the bat.
The Cubs have LOTS of holes in that lineup, but not every position is one.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
Morel actually played 3B a lot in the minors. But in Chicago he really is best suited as the 11th man who loves around the field in a Chris Taylor kind of way and get days off against premier RH starters.
bucsfan0004
A lot of Cubs apologists in this thread. Why isn’t the GM getting heat for not getting value for soon-to-be free agents? And the Cubs farm system?… nothing great, nothing atrocious from my perspective. Everyone knew in 2014 the Cubs had stars coming. Now…. not so much.
User 163535993
And what are you basing that on? Most of the experts agree that Brown and Wesnewski were awesome additions and relatively close at AA and AAA. Don’t know what YOU thought they were going to get for Martin, Injured Smyly and Miley and Contreras so obviously you aren’t tapped into the market at all. The only problem I had was I didn’t like what they got for Givens but I don’t know anything about the guy they got. Givens had a mutual option for next year and even though they almost never get picked up I thought Givens might stay. The draft pick the Cubs will get for Contreras was obviously more than they were offered so if they offer him the QO and he takes it they get one year more to figure out how to move forward as they have the money to pay that off easily.
Capi
Whiners say that every trade deadline… Don’t even bother.
They always complain that the Cubs don’t get enough value because they don’t know the name… Then turn around and call Kyle Hendricks their favorite pitcher and forget how they complained about not getting “enough value” for Ryan Dempster.
bucsfan0004
Youre right. The Yankees look all set at catcher. Same with the Astros before acquiring Vazquez. Rays, M’s, Padres, Mets, Twins, etc…. no way any one of those teams could use an all-star catcher.
duhawk83
One more year of Contreras might allow you to see how Miguel Amaya finally develops or not.
CujoMarlin
More than apologists – they are outright defenders. Anything questioning their swift ascent to greatness is blasphemy. I do appreciate the more balanced views. It is a more interesting discussion than being told you’re an idiot when you have a doubt.
Capi
How does this comment make you any different?
timmyt
Because he did get value. Do you have any clue what the players they got last deadline are doing ? And this deadline most people are saying Wesneski and Brown are robberies.
timmyt
He has gotten great value for soon to be free agents. Baez turned into Pete Crow=Armstong who will be a legit top 5-10 prospect in all of baseball by the time he’s called up. Kilian and Canario for Bryant and Alcantara already a top 100 for Rizzo last season and a LOT of people are saying he just pulled a robbery for Ben Brown for Robertson and the Wesneski trade is also getting a lot of praise. He wasn;t going to give away Contreras.
rr670612
When the Ricketts speak, the only time that I pay attention to crap is when I step in it.
themed
The cubs win every 100 years or so. Who cares?
rondon
Unreal. As usual, you have all the originality of a 70 year old Holiday Inn lounge comedian.
phillyballers
Buy low on Conforto?
rememberthecoop
Steve, your anti-Cubs bias is showing. Not that I don’t agree with you – I do and I dislike Ricketts – but you wrote the piece. Along with your comments in the last chat, too.
drasco036
Wow…. You don’t like tom ricketts…. Do you prefer the 100 pervious years ownership? Or do you just not like winning?
rememberthecoop
Is what they’re doing now winning? It’s embarrassing for a team that basically prints money and has the highest ticket prices in MLB to be going through another rebuild. You’re the kind of person I would say “wow” to. It’s the kind of person who accepts mediocrity that Ricketts is counting on. In other words, a damn fool. The Cardinals, who are considered a small market team never have to go through this.
drasco036
Oh I understand now. You’re one of those people who feel like owners cannot run their teams like a business.
Since the ricketts took over as owners, how many world titles do the cardinals have? How about the Yankees?
You must be a die hard cub fan since 2015… because you’re complaining about an owner that bought a horribly ran franchise, went out and spent a ton of money on the infrastructure, hired good baseball minds and gave the cubs a World Series title… something they hadn’t had in well over 100 years. Now the cubs are building the next winning team, while spending money I might add, and you’re complaining like a spoiled child.
rememberthecoop
No you obviously do not understand. I mentioned how the Cubs print money and have the highest ticket prices so there is the business rationale for trying to win. I know, reading is hard.
Samuel
rememberthecoop;
The Cardinals are not a small market team. That’s a ridiculous statement. The Cardinals draw from multiple states which goes back to their radio network long before expansion – when Cardinals fans came from Texas and the south, Arizona and the west. They’ve been one of MLB’s best draws for at least the last 75 years both at their park and on TV and radio.
As to their never having to do a rebuild, many times they do rebuilds on the fly (Cleveland is now coming out of one). Their fans know they aren’t a real contender some years, but they have to give their farm system time to develop players.
These moronic statements coming from large market teams fans that are having down years are all the same – the owner is a billionaire, the ticket prices are high, the fans should see a contender each year…blah, blah, blah. Then they complain about all the garbage long-term contracts the team is stuck with..as they demand the team give out more. Professional sports is COMPETITION. Franchise owners and their Baseball Ops heads are not going to sit around say: “Gee, we can’t compete because [Fill in large market team(s) name] is/are in our division and their fans expect to see them contend this year…..so maybe we can trade them our best players and get some crummy prospects of theirs to develop which we can trade back to them later for more crummy prospects to develop for them”.
The adult world isn’t entitlement and computer baseball.
duhawk83
Does any fan base of any professional sports team love the owner of their team…
Very Barry
The Cubs have been in a rebuild for a couple of years now. Jed Hoyer keeps telling lies to Cub fans. They have to keep telling lies about how much money they are going to spend on baseball talent to justify all the money they have poured into hotels, restaurants, etc around Wrigley Field to print money with.
Everybody knows you cannot build a team through free agency. That would be stupid. The Cubs don’t even have any real young, controllable talent on the roster to support high $$$ free agent spends. The Cubs don’t even have any starting pitching, let alone relief pitchers.
Train Wreck!
drasco036
You clearly do not watch the cubs so your opinion is moot.
Capi
No starting pitching? You must’ve been asleep all season, but Keegan Thompson, Steele, Stroman and Sampson have been quite good… Those 3, plus Hendricks are a very good 4 going into next season.
drasco036
Hendricks has been Hendricks of old as long as Contreras isn’t behind the dish for some reason.
Steele is legit… just keeps getting better. Thompson is interesting because he has the stuff of a back of the rotation starter with the swagger and confidence of a front line starter. Let’s see how that plays out
Alzolay will be back next season and really worse case for him is high leverage reliever. Righties cannot him with a tennis racket
CujoMarlin
They are ranked 24th in ERA this season. Coincidently, they have the 24th best team W-L record this season.
TrueOutcomeFan
Interesting that you chose the worst assessment of their farm (with a paywall no less) as the only assessment and then offered bland national narrative talking points to fill a few more paragraphs. Aggregate media at its finest. MLBTR is still a resource, but it sure isn’t for any original content.
Adolpho67
Man! Talk about writing an organizational assessment with clear bias…No one who knows anything about baseball prospect rankings/evaluation looks to espn! I suggest bb prospectus, fan graphs, or BBA if you really want to see expert evaluation. I will just say that the Cubs farm is in much better shape than this story thinks they are & we’ll all agree after they win their next championship in ‘25.
drasco036
This was written by the same guy that slobbered all over the tigers off-season moves.
CubTN
Best part of the article: “Ricketts vowed to be “very active again” with regard to the free-agent market. There’s no denying that the Cubs, who inked a dozen players to Major League contracts last winter, were indeed “active” in free agency, but the vast majority of their signings were small-scale transactions that hardly moved the needle for the organization.”
Ricketts is gaslighting fans again to get them to renew season tickets.
What did Clinton say? “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
The only thing that will get the Cubs to shop in the high end of the market is a nose dive in season ticket sales in Q4.
TheStevilEmpire1
It will take some time to right the ship, as long as Ricketts and Hoyer learn from what made the organization’s success detour in the first place. I can understand why they felt the urgency to spend big leading up to 2016. The result was a World Series Championship as we know.
Where things went wrong was the following seasons where the moves that were made (or not made in some cases) never materialized. Culture, too much was invested in immediate success instead of lasting success.
As it stands right now, The Brewers and Cardinals aren’t looking over their shoulders worrying about the Cubs. They’ve both created sustainable cultures that work well for them. The Cubs should watch closely and look at what they’re doing right.
NativeAmerican
Selling season tickets?
Pads Fans
Didn’t he say the same thing last offseason?
ChiSoxCity
To all you people trying to claim add a reliever is spending money… you should really think harder about this. The reason teams like the Sox waste so much money on relievers is due to the fact relievers are expendable, and easily moved if the team doesn’t perform well. It’s literally the most temporary investment you can make in baseball. The teams who spend money do so on long term assets (position players, Aces).
timmyt
Why use ESPN ranking when mentioned the Cubs farm. No way is it currently anywhere near that low. ESPN ranking is a joke. Fangraphs updated ranking has them 4th. The Cubs farm system is loaded.
brodie-bruce
here is my 2 cents on rankings are this, any ranking outside of the fo of any mlb club is meaningless, and are all subjective. also while on that subject any fo that uses prospect from any of the mentioned rankings cited in the comments should just fire all there scouts because you can just get media outlet x to do it for you for free. i think as fans we get caught up in rankings and overvalue them all these rankings are subjective and will disagree with someone else’s view. imo i think the best course of action is to instead of going flashy and get a big ticket item is to stay the course, shed the bad contracts from theo, continue to build your farm and build up your depth with low key fa’s, depth is just as important as your main guys. also i can’t bash theo too much he did end 2 curses and 3ws but his track record is build up the teams farm to one of the best in bb promote them get a few big fa’s win then spend the next 4 years undoing what he built for another chip.
Steve Rogers
Free agents sure… on short term contracts and without losing their 2nd round pick and international signing money. I’m game but the Cubs should save their money until they become competitive and need to fill a hole to win the championship. Hoyer has been outstanding and it’s just a matter of time before they are winners again! Want more fans, lower your ticket prices.