Few teams in baseball are playing as well as the Orioles lately. That’s not what anyone would have imagined entering the season or as recently as a couple weeks ago. As the calendar flipped to July, Baltimore was 35-43 and separated by six teams in the American League Wild Card standings. They were among the handful most clear-cut deadline sellers in the sport. Six Baltimore players were placed among MLBTR’s Top 50 trade candidates last Friday.
Fast forward just a few days, and the O’s have done everything in their power to make the front office think twice about selling. They’ve rattled off successive sweeps of the Rangers and Angels and carry an eight-game win streak. Pair that with a dreadful past week and a half for teams like the Blue Jays and Guardians — who were at or near the top of the Wild Card heap — and Baltimore has closed a stunning amount of ground. They head into play Monday two back of the final AL playoff spot, which is currently shared by the Mariners and Jays. They’ll have a chance to climb back to .500 tomorrow evening against the Cubs.
The Orioles aren’t going to continue winning indefinitely, of course. Their successive sweeps came against two below-average teams, and the Angels in particular have been in an absolute tailspin. Yet their solid play hasn’t been confined just to the past week and a half. They’re 22-14 since the start of June, outscoring opponents by 29 runs (170-141) over that stretch. That’s an arbitrary cutoff, and one can’t dismiss a 7-14 April that buried them in the standings right out of the gate. Yet this has at least been the best stretch of play for the franchise since their rebuild began in 2018, and they’ve gotten themselves into the playoff picture.
Will that be enough to deter the front office from moving some players off the roster for future talent? General manager Mike Elias struck a cautious tone speaking with reporters last week (link via Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com). “Everything that I do or that we do has tradeoffs, and all I can say is, we do everything from a very global, a very thoughtful perspective about what is the right thing to do for the health of the Orioles’ franchise,” Elias said. “I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I’m saying we’re taking a look at everything as we make these decisions and we’ll see what happens.”
The front office certainly doesn’t seem ready to declare the rebuild over and part with high-end talent to add pieces for the 2022 stretch run. Each of FanGraphs and Baseball Reference has the club’s odds of reaching the playoffs below 10%. Even as they’ve played their way back into the picture, it’s fair to wonder whether the roster — the starting rotation especially — can hold up for another two and a half months. Few would argue the Orioles are a better team than the Blue Jays, Mariners, Rays or Red Sox, yet they’ll have to outplay multiple members of that group (and hold off a handful of teams just behind them) to get to the playoffs. Even were they to add some rotation help and/or upgrade on any of Jorge Mateo, Ramón Urías or Rougned Odor around the infield, the O’s would remain postseason longshots.
If Elias and his staff aren’t likely to pivot and aggressively add before the deadline, there’s still room for them to stay the course without selling. By and large, the O’s current core can be kept around beyond this season. Baltimore has just three impending free agents on the roster. Odor and backup catcher Robinson Chirinos aren’t going to attract trade interest anyhow, meaning the only key rental for the O’s to decide upon is Trey Mancini. (His deal technically contains a $10MM mutual option for 2023, but he’s likely to decline that and seek a multi-year free agent deal).
Mancini is having a good season, carrying a .281/.353/.420 line across 331 plate appearances. He’d attract a decent amount of interest as one of the better rental bats available were the Orioles to shop him over the next few weeks. Still, as an impending free agent with defensive limitations, he won’t bring back an eye-popping return. Baltimore almost certainly wouldn’t recoup a prospect generally regarded as a top 100 caliber player in a deal. In all likelihood, they’d land a couple of players most evaluators view as middle-tier prospects from another organization.
A Mancini trade would add talent to an already-deep farm system, but would there be enough appeal to pull the trigger if the Orioles remain within three or four games of a Wild Card spot by the August 2 deadline? In addition to his on-field value, the 30-year-old first baseman is generally regarded as a strong clubhouse presence. He’s a fan favorite, and his overcoming a 2020 battle with colon cancer makes him one of the sport’s easiest players to support. Dealing Mancini if the Orioles were 10+ games back would’ve been unpopular with some segment of the fanbase; trading him if the team continues playing well and remains on the fringes of contention would be even more so. That’d be equally true in the clubhouse.
Baltimore’s highest-value assets are under a longer window of club control. Outfielders Cedric Mullins and Austin Hays can be kept around through 2025. They looked unlikely to change hands no matter how this season’s first half went, and that’s all the more true with the club showing signs of life. Closer Jorge López could be more likely to move given the inherent volatility with relief pitching, but he’s arbitration-eligible through 2024. That’s also true of corner outfielder Anthony Santander, who’d have more modest interest than any of Mullins, Hays or López given his defensive shortcomings and up-and-down career track record at the dish.
Things should get harder for the O’s over the next few weeks. After a two-game set with Chicago, they’ll split their next ten games between the Rays (seven) and Yankees (three). Their final series of July will be in Cincinnati, followed by one pre-deadline matchup with Texas. Drop ten or 11 of those contests, and the O’s probably end up as sellers, at least parting with Mancini. If they can go 8-8 or 9-7 over that stretch, though, Elias and his staff will have to decide on a team hovering around .500 and likely within shouting distance of a playoff spot for the first time in six years.
The front office is certainly going to remain mindful of the long-term outlook. They’re not going to suddenly jump into the Luis Castillo or Frankie Montas bidding, although perhaps they could entertain the idea of adding a lower-impact starter with a lengthier window of remaining control. Yet the team has played well enough of late to give themselves a shot to avoid subtractions. Much will depend on how they play over the next three weeks, but the Orioles may not be as motivated to deal as they’d seemed just a few days ago. That’s a credit to their surprisingly strong play over the past month-plus. The team has given themselves a shot to make the front office rethink their deadline outlook, and the next 15 games should be the franchise’s most important in a half-decade.
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jessaumodesto
No! Why? Everything has been going perfect for them over the last 40 years
The Baseball Fan
No
DarkSide830
It’s not worth cutting off the rebuild this early for what is an outside shot at a wild card.
Joe says...
They don’t have to cut off the rebuild to make some smart moves designed not only help now but the future. They could get creative with SD. Move an outfielder like Mancini and get back Snell. Not saying a one for one deal but something involving those 2 players.
OhthePossibilities
A Snell type is the kind of guy they should be targeting. Someone to eat some innings instead of throwing Voth (who is already getting close to his innings pitched from last year) out there every 5 days, and who would be a mid-to-back of the rotation arm for next year as well.
Melvin McMurf
they played the angels….big deal
Samuel
As the article notes, the Orioles don’t really have a lot to give up that’ll bring them much back.
What else is there to say?
Samuel
Even though…..
From the number of comments it’s good to see the interest in the Orioles.
While a few seem written by people that stereotype how rebuilds are supposed to work and look at the players stats to draw conclusions on where the Orioles are and what they should or shouldn’t do; it seems like most are watching the team, seeing how they’re playing baseball, how the players are interacting, and how most are growing.
I repeat – this is the best young team I’ve seen since the Royals in 2013, with more players soon to come up to join in. No reason at all to do anything earth shaking at this deadline. In the long run the Orioles are set to be a MLB power for at least the 5-10 years.
Indiansjoe
While I don’t think they should be selling out to make the wild card spot, there are moves to be made to benefit now and later. Give the pads salary relief by trading for snell, wouldn’t cost Os much prospect wise and he is a plus in their rotation. And add another starter with control past this year. With snell and Castillo they might be dangerous next year
Pete'sView
No. One 8-game stretch does not make a contender. Get real.
Joe says...
2 games out of the wild card says they are something of a contender.
jjd002
There are only two real contenders in the AL.
faustocarmona
Anything can happen in the playoffs. The Braves proved that to the world as recently as last year.
jjd002
I don’t disagree. I have seen my team lose to vastly inferior teams two times in the past three seasons. The playoffs are a crapshoot. But, I’d hardly put the O’s up there with the Nationals of 2019 and the Braves of 2021.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Boston, Toronto and Tampa Bay all have Wild Card berths, the O’s are two games out of the Wild Card, and the Yankees lead the majors. How do you reckon there are only two contenders in the AL when there are certainly four and arguably five in the AL East alone?
jjd002
The Astros and Yankees are much better than the rest of the AL.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Seattle and Oakland had the best W-L% in the regular season in 2001, with the M’s winning an historically good 116 games, tying the White Sox’ all-time record. Neither the M’s nor the A’s made it to the World Series.
Arizona had the sixth-best record. They won the World Series.
Dogham
If the O’s truly believe they can make a post season run then make some moves. If not, then they can still add pieces to make them better for next year.
Edp007
The O’s though could get creative , giving up money other teams may not deem prudent for a rental. Not giving up core or top prospects. Remember the O’s were in on Correa , so money they are willing to spend.
Cosmo2
Only a fool would completely 180 on a long term plan because of a short term hot streak.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
If it was up to you, the Met would have Luis Rojas as manager with Conforto batting third and Brandon Drury in TripleA…, and Drew Smith as a closer with Miguel Castro as his setup man
Cosmo2
Heh, I wouldn’t know what to do with myself if you weren’t completely and totally wrong. As usual. LFGMets is talking total nonsense, all is right with the world.
Orioles Fan
The only 2 players the Orioles will trade is Santander and Mancini. Everyone else is untouchable. Odor might not be what he used to be years ago but he brings a presence the Orioles have been lacking. Lyles is valuable because he pitches deep into games which helps the younger guys.
Thomas Walker
I’m sorry, but I legit had to laugh at the untouchable statement. While they shouldn’t be selling like usual, they have no business labeling people untouchable. Maybe a couple guys, but you just implied that Rougned freaking Odor is untouchable because of his presence?? Look at his line, hell look at his career line, and tell me again that he should stick around?!? Dude is legit one of the worst players in the league. I’m sorry to pile on, but this was a wild take.
vtadave
Yeah that was pretty funny. Imagine thinking guys like Odor are not untouchable.
BashBroJoe
Odor is not untouchable. That’s laughable. But you don’t watch the games. Odor is an important piece to the club right now. He does have a presence that frankly is more valuable than his numbers. You have to watch the games sometime and not just read a computer screen.
Orioles Fan
Like I said before don’t look at his numbers. Look how he plays and his presence in the dug out. Baltimore will not trade him because of that. That is why I am saying he is untouchable.
CHS O'sFan
He’s not untouchable; if someone offered a top 100 prospect for him the O’s would likely jump on it but his value is probably a cash considerations deal at best. While he’s playing poorly, Odor has seemingly single handedly changed the clubhouse culture on this team. He’s come up big at the right time a lot and his charisma is infectious. So long as he’s the heartbeat of this team, he’s not going anywhere.
mstrchef13
No one is untouchable. Some have a higher price tag than others, but if a team offered four top 100 prospects for Rutschman, they would consider doing the deal.
roob
Trade the relievers for sure before they turn back into pumpkins. Trade Mancini and anyone else not signed for next year.
The O’s will have about 20 good prospects ready in the next two years. They could definitely make the playoffs next year, even with these trades, just by signing Musgrove and Verlander this winter.
They have a very bright future. Can’t wait to see their draft haul next week.
bucsfan0004
Since Verlander is under contract next year, set your sights on more reasonable signings, like Tyler Anderson. He’s a fly-ball pitcher that would fit well in Baltimore
Samuel
bucsfan0004;
LOL
I don’t see the Orioles interesting in signing Verlander for an outrageous salary in 2023; nor do I see Verlander at his age electing to sign with a team coming out of a rebuild.
However, Verlander becomes a FA after this year if he hits a number of innings pitched, and at this point it’s pretty much a lock that he exceeds that number easily. He’ll probably stay in Houston for even more money.
Cosmo2
You are way overrating this Orioles team. The teams around them will also improve. They’re not there yet.
mstrchef13
Not necessarily. Olney reported that Judge may not resign with NYY. TB is a mess. And the third best AL East team will likely be a WC team.
CHS O'sFan
So I don’t think the O’s are buyers but how many MLB teams have four top 100 prospects currently at the AAA level as possible reinforcements? Sure Grayson is hurt but he may be able to come back in September. Definitely see standing pat and calling up prospects when needed as an option if they’re still within striking distance of a playoff spot on Aug 1st.
jjd002
They should just stand pat. They are in the third tier of teams (maybe the fourth) that will be battling for the final wild card. There are really only two good teams in the AL (Houston and New York), but the playoffs are a crapshoot.
BeansforJesus
Mike Elias is too smart to sell off future assets for a wish and a prayer playoff spot fueled by a hot streak. If he does, the package will undoubtedly include other future assets the orioles have been eyeing.
CHS O'sFan
I also wonder if a trade with SD, Santander for Blake Snell + a prospect (Jackson Merrill?) could be doable? Trading from a fair amt of surplus to bolster a rotation that needs help and is controlled for next year as well. I have to imagine a lefty with Snell’s skill set would more than welcome playing with Mt. Walltimore out there in left.
BeansforJesus
At first, I thought “no way”. But, with SD’s payroll situation, I think you have a good idea. Except Jackson Merrill is way too much of an overpay to get Santander and clear Snells salary. I could see a lesser prospect attached like maybe org 20-25. Maybe higher if the O’s eat Santander salary as well as all of snells.
CHS O'sFan
All honesty the MD tie for Merrill (A Severna Park alum) is why he’s the name I listed, so I don’t disagree that Merrill is more of a pipe dream. That said, two more cost controlled years of a switch hitting corner bat with pop who is heating up should probably be worth someone’s 7-10th best prospect plus a intl guy. Given Snells value, albeit marginal, that could slide to the 15ish range. Regardless, the Santander for Snell is an interesting framework that gets money off SD’s books, buys a controllable OF bat and does so for minimal prospect cost. And to confirm, the O’s are taking all of the Snell money in this hypothetical. I hope the O’s would be willing to eat the $1.2M remaining Santander is owed this season if it means a better prospect.
BeansforJesus
Santander has been up and down so his uncertainty in the next two years will be balanced with his arb raises. But with SD in “win now”, I definitely see your point. He produces in a way that is ideal for his reps when it comes to arb raises but has to give FO a bit of a pause. Power numbers pay, at least in the past (haven’t really looked into the arb framework after the new deal).
I admit I’m pretty unfamiliar with the padres top 30. So 10-15 could definitely be in play with what they’ve given up in recent years. I also feel like SD will take the acquisition cost of snell into the ask a bit. The guy has produced elite numbers relatively recently.
In summation, I honestly have no idea. But, I could see a whole array of variations that don’t even take the GMs current position within their respective teams (preller needing to win and Elias kind of sitting pretty with [assuming]less immediate pressure from ownership to produce.)
Dumpster Divin Theo
Severna Park represent!
mstrchef13
Santander is in arbitration. There is no future salary to eat.
BeansforJesus
You don’t trade for an arb guy for the second half of the season just to non-tender him at season’s end.
I meant eating this years remaining btw
2012orioles
Play to win, stop playing not to lose. They basically got Tate in the machado and Britton trades. Unless someone’s blowing your doors off for a deal, run it back the second half of the season and see what happens. I’m still saying make Gunnar Henderson and DL hall your deadline moves.
LlamaJackson
Exactly. Guys like Mancini and Santander might have more value for us than they’re truly “worth” so might not be prudent to move just to get mediocre players back. Now if we could trade with someone dumb like Colorado then we’re onto something. But our best bets for impact is like you said, calling up our strong minor leaguers.
CHS O'sFan
Kremer has been a factor this season so far. And that was a lame duck GM making those 2018 deadline deals, so Elias’ trade history hasn’t been rich enough to really evaluate yet. Yaz for Herb was a miss but can’t evaluate many others just yet. I do agree though that you’ve got a good array of AAA talent like Vavra, Stowers, Hall, Henderson and Westburg that could be conceivable roster upgrades at their respective positions. And if it’s Aug 20th and you’re in a playoff hunt, maybe they try to get Grayson back at the beginning of September. If the prospects don’t work out right away (which is very likely), those guys at least got to experience a legit playoff race with the rest of the core. But my stance is predicated on the O’s being within 3GB or less of the WC on Aug 1st.
myaccount2
They should simultaneously sell and buy. It would make a lot of sense to trade Mancini, Lyles, maybe even Santander while acquiring some controllable talent if possible. They should probably be seeking a pitcher or someone who can hit for power from the right side now that Camden Yards plays differently.
MacGromit
MA2, emotionally, I hate say it but you have a good point in that selling and buying would make sense. Add to it that we’re going to need to unjam the OF for the future kids means that Mancini, Santander are both about refilling the more bare low minors. Getting an upgrade in the rotation and maybe that left handed power bat in the infield (stop gap) would be ideal although I realize prob not realistic.
I hate losing Mancini too. But we should wait till the Winter meetings if there isn’t at legit single A prospect or two to show for it. Not worth losing the clubhouse over “business”.
I struggle w trading Lopez and Bautista as Jim Bowden suggested seems a bit extreme. Young controllable, frame throwing, high leverage guys don’t grow on trees. I don’t see why we would do that.
CHS O'sFan
That Bowden article was ridiculous. While the Mancini return seemed like a slight overpay by the Mets, the return for Bautista/Lopez was a joke. SWR probably projects more as a backend guy and giving up a combined 7 more years of control beyond 2022 for two lockdown relievers for a non-elite prospect is a bit of a slap in the face recommendation but a national writer.
mcmillankmm
No, don’t do it. They should have dealt Means while he had value then he got Tommy John and lost all the value
mstrchef13
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Means was projected to be the staff ace this year, and no worse than the #2 starter next year, so trading him would have been idiotic.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Yes, the rebuild has gone on long enough
Plus, the fans need to have a reason to be fans and a wildcard would help with that
As a side note, I did not see this coming at all
Bruin1012
Adley Rutschman is a winner he has won everywhere he has been. I don’t think it’s a coincidence they really started winning when he got the call.
NattyBroh
What about trading for Mahle? Seems like a better fit for the O’s in terms of 1 1/2 years controllable, stable, and possible upside. Regardless of his current injury, he’d be a good piece for next year and maybe a new contract. Not sure what we send in return but we need starting pitching more than we need bats.
CHS O'sFan
If I’m Cincy, even taking an injury discount, I’m asking for Mayo, Rom and Rhodes. Mahle isn’t gonna be cheap in prospect cost and I don’t see the headliner being anyone lower ranked on MLB.com’s prospect list than Stowers. And if one team dangles a top 100 prospect for him, that package above probably loses. I don’t think there’s a legit trade candidate out there that is controllable beyond this season, effective, and cheap prospect wise outside of Blake Snell.
Verlander2TheQuickening
Baseball fan me wants to see them go for it because I love a fun scrappy underdog story, and because I have a great time at Camden every time I go. If the Orioles made the playoffs, I think that would be pretty great.
Realist me looks at their rotation and is extremely skeptical that the bullpen that’s been propping them up most of the season can keep doing that. Even during this streak, the cracks are showing. Three of the 8 wins were walk-offs in which the bullpen gave up runs late. It’s great that they came back to win those, but over the long haul it’s not sustainable. Kremer looks like he might finally be putting it together some (only one real dud start), but Lyles & Tyler Wells are your main dudes in terms of number of starts, and they are either not good (Lyles) or homer-prone, better used once through a lineup (Wells) type guys.
And let’s not leave out the hitters. Almost their entire bench is hitting below .200. They’re a couple of injuries away from hitting like a tee ball team. This is not a situation where they can go get one or two guys and be in position to make a run, they’d need to find some combination of trade targets + prospects that perform to make any kind of noise. It’s not impossible, but it’s relying on a lot of things to go right.
gorav114
Stay the course
Cosmo2
A thousand points of light
skinsfandfw
Wouldn’t be prudent at this juncture
Joe says...
Read my lips.
Allerdings
No beating around the bush.
Bobby Mongan
There is no good reason for the O’s to be buyers instead of sellers.
To be a successful team, they have go backward to go further forward.
DodgerOK
Isn’t their strategy to trade anyone of value for 3 prospects?
Gwynning's Anal Lover
O’s are going to win the World Series.
hoof hearted
Who is hotter than the O’s?
Mariners.
I hope the O’s are buyers
kylegocougs
They’ve won 8 straight against the worst two teams in the AL West
tuck 2
It’s not about a playoff push. It’s about everything else in the piece – it’s not worth parting w Mancini to pick up two guys that will most likely never make a major league roster . Nor will they get enough to give up 2 years of Santander.
They could get overpaid for Lopez by a contender w bullpen issues (Mets Dodgers) or maybe someone likes what Lyles has been doing.
Otherwise just stick to the plan – infield talent is on the way.
Slothcliff Hokum
Whatever they decide to do… GO O’S!!
Louholtz22
1) resign Mancini for veteran leadership
2) make a splash in F/A next year like the Mariners did. Sign Bogaerts or Correa. And get Musgrove and Rodon.
3) Trade Santander
BeansforJesus
Not an O’s fan, but I could see 2b and SS covered as early as next year with Vavra and Henderson.
IMO Vavra looks like the future leadoff hitter and should be up soon. He reminds me of Nicky Lopez with more power.
Pete'sView
Louholtz22 — Do you think Bogaerts, Correa, Musgrove or Rodon want to play for the O’s as they’re presently constituted? I think that’s a reach when other teams will offer a solid chance of winning.. Baltimore still has quite a bit of building to do. I know O’s fans have been patient; they need just a little more till they’re really turned around.
Louholtz22
Pete’sView, players don’t give a bleep about who they play for, it’s all about the cash. i.e. Semien and Seager with the Rangers
Cosmo2
They will play. for whomever. pays them. most.
Othosos
The schedule after August 2 is the toughest in baseball. Elias knows this. He has done this before if you recall. Houston is still cranking out studs he scouted, drafted and TRAINED!
jjd002
And hopefully he learned from mistakes they made in Houston by giving up way to much to get a soon to be washed up Carlos Gomez. They tried to compete too quickly and it cost them some player that would look great in Houston right now.
Kungfooshus
Expecting to see Mancini, Santander, and 2 or 3 relievers traded before the deadline. Maybe even Mullins. It’ll be best for the O’s organization in the long run. As a lifelong Orioles fan, it’s good to see the rebuild working.
C Yards Jeff
Starting back in mid season 2017, Peter Angelos is the reason why the O’s are where they are today. Aging and in failing health, when he should of have been encouraging Buck and Dan to start a redirect/rebuild after a beautiful 5 season run of winning baseball, with his life/health expectancy issue, he didn’t have time for a redirect. Yes? Win now was his directive. Result: disaster. Guys like Machado and Britton were kept on roster one yr too long. The Cobb signing, one of desperation. The Davis contract. And on and on. Some good baseball people got beat up in all this, specifically Dan and Buck.
It looks like in 2018, due to Peter’s health, controlling ownership goes to his sons & wife? Locally here in Baltimore, it’s widely viewed that the sons individual passion for baseball wane in comparison to their dad’s. Wisely, they consultant baseball consultants for directional advice. First order of business? “Hey Dan, you can start gutting now”. Second. Hiring Elias in late 2018.
Should we buy or sell or do a little of both? I have no idea. But I do know who does. Elias and company. Grateful we have a controlling owner, John Angelos, who does not meddle in the day to day baseball decision making of this team. IMHO, his dad’s Achilles heel over the years; overly passionate which too often had him overly involved in the baseball decision making. John, keep being you!
bigfatandugly
honestly if they can make moves that will make them competitive this year and next that’s what they should do, along side re signing mancini
go into FA next year splash around a bit and shore up the infield.
Armaments216
The O’s should look to spend money on pitching from teams looking to offload salary. But otherwise they should hold tight.
Need to demonstrate they’re trying to compete again. Goodwill from the fans will offset any modest return they’d get from trading a few short-term players.
msqboxer
There is not much market for Mancini with any of the contenders right now. The Orioles best bet is to trade middle relievers as they usually bring back the best value at the trade deadline. Perez or Bautista would be interesting to a team like the Cardinals. Maybe snag a Brendan Donovan or Connor Capel type that can play multiple positions and they bat LH. Both players are blocked long term at the MLB level but could plug right into the O’s line up day one.