7:20pm: Heyman reports (on Twitter) that San Diego and Musgrove are close to an agreement on a five-year deal that’d guarantee roughly $100MM.
7:14pm: Extension discussions between the Padres and Joe Musgrove are “gaining momentum,” reports Dennis Lin of the Athletic (Twitter link). The sides have still yet to come to an agreement, but Lin indicates there’s mutual optimism a deal could be hammered out by next week.
The generally optimistic tenor has been prevalent for the past couple weeks. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported over the All-Star Break there was a belief on both sides a deal could get done before the start of the season’s unofficial second half. That obviously didn’t come to pass, but that evidently hasn’t deterred or meaningfully set back talks.
Terms currently under discussion are unclear, but Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports the Friars made an offer around the Break that resembled the free agent deals given to Kevin Gausman and Robbie Ray. Gausman received a five-year, $110MM deal from the Blue Jays. Ray signed with the Mariners for five years and $115MM in a deal that also included an opt-out opportunity following the 2024 season.
Aside from the record-setting three-year deal for Max Scherzer, the Gausman and Ray contracts represented the top commitments to free agent starters last offseason. That makes for a reasonable comparison point for the Padres, but Musgrove and his representatives at Full Circle Sports Management could reasonably seek to top those markers. The San Diego righty carries a career-low 2.63 ERA through 109 1/3 innings this season, a bit below the respective 2.81 and 2.84 marks posted by Gausman and Ray last year. Both Gausman and Ray missed bats at a better clip than Musgrove has, but the latter has a slightly better walk rate than the 2021 free agents.
Musgrove’s platform season is shaping up to be similar to those of Gausman and Ray, and Musgrove may have a slightly better long-term track record. Ray had an awful year during the shortened 2020 campaign in which he posted a 6.62 ERA. He’d shown top-of-the-rotation flashes earlier in his career, but his control and home run rates fluctuated a fair amount. Gausman had a very strong shortened season, but he’d struggled during the previous full campaign. Musgrove has a sub-4.00 ERA in each of his past three years, with a cumulative 3.08 figure through 57 starts since the beginning of 2020.
A new contract would begin with Musgrove’s age-30 season, giving him a strong case for a six-year deal at an annual rate that’d push him above the $110MM – 115MM range for a total guarantee. At the same time, it’d be plenty understandable if Musgrove were a bit less concerned about maximizing his earning potential to remain with the Padres. He’s a San Diego-area native who has been open about his desire to remain with the organization. It’s uncommon for players of his magnitude to even discuss an in-season extension when they’re mere months away from the open market.
The appeal for the Padres in trying to keep Musgrove around is fairly evident. He’s one of the sport’s best pitchers, and the Friars could lose Sean Manaea and Mike Clevinger to free agency this winter. Blake Snell and Yu Darvish are only under contract for two more seasons, and Nick Martinez can opt out of his deal after any of the next three years. MacKenzie Gore is the only rotation building block who’s certain to be around two seasons from now, and the Friars can build a long-term starting staff around the young southpaw and Musgrove if they can finalize an extension.
Dorothy_Mantooth
6/$120 and call it a deal
Javia135
I figured Musgrove would get at least 6 years and $150 million. Sign him quickly Preller.
YourDreamGM
5 years 100 million ish seems like a hometown discount.
rct
You had the AAV, just off by a year. Good call, and solid move by the Padres.
Dorothy_Mantooth
6/$120M and call it a deal!
Jon M
What should they give him before calling it a deal?
rememberthecoop
I don’t know. If only Dorothy would chime in.
Gwynning
“Dorothy Mantooth is a Saint… do you hear me?!”
Neon Cop
All these media people claiming SD is “the favorite” to land Soto feels like some kind of psyop. Would love to be wrong, for the sake of more balance across the league, but Manfred prob wants him in LA.
bigjonliljon
I don’t believe a deal will get done on Soto by next week. I thing Washington is gauging offers now so that they can get a better grip on the market and ask for more in the off season just my opinion
Deleted Userr
They’re not going to get more in the offseason. 3 playoff pushes are more valuable than 2.
User 401527550
2 is still a lot and teams will still be looking to pay through the roof.
jimmyz
More teams will be interested in acquiring Soto in the offseason than at the deadline. Any team that’s struggling a bit this year but plan on contending the next couple years will join the bidding and drive up the offers making the extra playoff run relatively negligible in my opinion.
Deleted Userr
You’re dead wrong jimmyz! If the 2022 season didn’t go as hoped for a particular team but they plan on contending in 2023 and 2024 and think that Juan Soto will make that happen they will absolutely trade for him at the 2022 trade deadline! They’re not going to just wait until the offseason to trade for him and risk someone else beating them to the punch.
JeffreyChungus
The idea that Soto is getting traded by Tuesday is the psyop
oldguyG
Sign him pay him the money . He’s Padres Ace
YourDreamGM
I think SD LA both loaded with mega stars would be marketable. SD certainly doesn’t shy away from big trades and will empty the farm. Hassle is a elite chip and Gore is up there. If Washington believes Abrams is a top 20 prospect I see it happening.
towinagain
That gets done, sends a message to players that the Pads are serious becomes a place free-agents and players caught in trade talks may advise agents of interest
Deleted Userr
I thought signing Hosmer was supposed to do that /s
Crunchtime1969
Sign him up.
Crunchtime1969
Sign him up!
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Huntingdon ate so much **** at the time for the Cole trade, but meanwhile he clearly took the package with the best player offered in Musgrove.
YourDreamGM
He brought in talent. His coaches just stunk. Even with limited work in the crazy 2020 season Musgrove was a completely different pitcher. Easy formula. Ditch the 2 seamer and let your best stuff fly.
jimmyz
Huntington could’ve done a lot better than Colin Moran, Michael Feliz and Jason Martin as the rest of the return in the Cole trade though. The Musgrove trade to San Diego probably brought back more talent.
Crunchtime1969
Do it Preller. Sign him up!
etex211
5/100? Shouldn’t Musgrove be aiming higher?
User 401527550
Yes that’s a lowball offer for him.
JudgementDay
he loves San Diego and it’s his hometown, he took a discount to stay in SD…look at the braves albies and others that took less money to stay where they are comfortable.
YourDreamGM
I don’t know what Albies was thinking. He really didn’t want to take any risk. This seems like a nice discount.
Deleted Userr
No one forced Albies to sign that contract.
Javia135
Shhhhh.
rememberthecoop
It seems like a no-brained to extend him. But at thr same time, how often toneztenaiin work out well for thr teams, especially in the case of pitchers.
Captain Judge99
What are the Friars offering for Juan Soto? Anybody but the delusional Javia135 or the Pads Fans, please.
Deleted Userr
I told you if you wanna get Pads Fans to be quiet ask him about his other accounts. Or his claim that Luis Campusano’s marijuana charges were reduced to a misdemeanor in January 2021 (and he originally said November 2020).
Baseball Babe
Abrams, Hassell, Gore, Wood, Morejon, two lottery tickets, Hosmer, Myers for Soto and Finnegan.
Baseball Babe
Though as a Nats fan I’d rather have Morgan, Walker, Libertore, Winn and Nunez from the Cardinals.
Javia135
@Baseball Babe
Source on that Padres offer for Soto?
Baseball Babe
Educated guess
I think one main reason the Padres and Nats match up on this is the Nats can expand the prospect haul with the padres by taking those bad contracts back. After the sell off, the Nats need someone to play first base and they really don’t have anyone in their system ready to step in, unless anyone thinks Riley Adams can be an everyday first baseman. The Padres gain a LOT by shedding those contracts. That padres return may not be enough for Soto, Finnegan and the contracts.
globalform
The Nats are not taking any of our bad contracts. Whoever is putting this info out is dead wrong.
Javia135
clutchpoints.com/padres-rumor-san-diegos-juan-soto…
Deleted Userr
I tell you right now there will be no Eric Hosmer or Wil Myers in any Soto trade.
Captain Judge99
@thelegendaryharambe- thank you for your support, and your excellent memory. Your definitely top notch!
padreforlife
Padres will get burned in this contract just like others
Javia135
$20 million per year is well below market value for Joe Musgrove. The Padres should sign him and buy a lottery ticket on the way home.
padreforlife
Padres will get burned on m this
Marcus Graham
Nah. Musgrove is a solid pitcher. This is a good deal.
Marcus Graham
Musgrove is an excellent pitcher. A favourite of mine in the game. Ironically, I just ordered his jersey to add to my jersey collection. It was a “Mus” have.
Marcus Graham
Musgrove is an excellent pitcher. One of my favourites in the game. Ironically, I just ordered his jersey to add to my collection. It was a “Mus” have.
Baseball Babe
Though as a Nats fan I’d rather have Morgan, Walker and Libertore from the Cardinals.
globalform
You need to do some research on the guys Pads have on the table. No team can match that offer.
Baseball Babe
Though as a Nats fan I’d rather have Morgan, Walker, Libertore, Winn and Nunez from the Cardinals.
Deleted Userr
Is the site glitching or is it just me?
Padres2019ha
Is the site glitching or is just me?
Deleted Userr
Want attention? Get a dog.
Padres2019ha
Just because you spread out your attention with several different aliases, doesn’t mean it’s still not just you, Ryan.
Deleted Userr
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Tacoshells
What. 20 per? Why isn’t he getting 35 mil like cole
Rsox
Musgrove did what appeared to be the impossible and throw a No-hitter in a Padre uniform. I like this deal for the Padres as he will likely anchor the staff after Darvish, Snell, and Clevinger are gone. They should see if they can extend Manaea as well
Jal179
5/100 is a freaking steal
GarryHarris
Not a Boras client
Deleted Userr
Full Circle Sports Management.
Deleted Userr
I hope for Musgrove’s sake that this has a NTC.
Padres2019ha
How would that be good for The Padres? Tsss you’re not a team player Ryan. While it’s nice for Musgrove, I’m more excited for the team to get this deal.
Deleted Userr
Have the Mets traded Noah Syndergaard and traded for Corey Kluber yet? Have the Padres traded for JT Realmuto and “just extended” him yet? Did you find that proof that the Padres have to trade for a player to have any chance of signing him yet?
rightwingrick
Don’t count the Mariners out on Soto. By picking up Castillo, the M’s now have Castillo, Ray, Gilbert, Kirby, and Marco Gonzales for multiple years.
The above suggests that “new” Top Prospects are Emerson Hancock as #2, Taylor Dollard at #3, combined with strong outfield minor league depth making Jarred Kelenic (former #1 pick and highly touted) available in a package.
Put that group together with a strong relief pitcher option (Penn Murphy?) and a high-upside pick lower in the M’s Top 30 and you have a pretty attractive package for Soto.
Cincyfan85
20m per for 5 years is a good deal.
BSHH
At $ 100m/5 years, Musgrove probably would sign for a bit less than he could get elsewhere. But this still is a very healthy payday and he stays where he wants to be. It seems like a win-win-situation for both the team and the player; I feel happy for both.
Gruß,
BSHH
DarkSide830
Kinda shocked that’s all, but I guess he wants to stick around. Good for him, getting paid and staying home.
Tom Price
Overrated