The Mets are exploring the market for a number of bats as they look to upgrade over what has been a generally unproductive tandem of Dominic Smith and J.D. Davis at designated hitter, reports Andy Martino of SNY. Nationals sluggers Josh Bell and Nelson Cruz, Colorado’s C.J. Cron and Baltimore’s Trey Mancini (as previously reported) are among the names in play.
Metsmerized’s Michael Mayer reported this week that the Mets have also had talks with the Pirates about left-handed-hitting Daniel Vogelbach, who is signed to a highly affordable $1MM contract with a $1.5MM option for the 2023 season. FanSided’s Robert Murray hears the same, though Murray notes that there are multiple teams inquiring about Vogelbach’s availability (as is surely the case with the Mets’ other reported targets). Martino describes conversations with the Pirates regarding Vogelbach as “active.”
The 29-year-old Vogelbach would surely be viewed as a platoon option in Queens, as he’s never hit lefties well and has again posted an inept .141/.267/.156 batting line against them. However, he’s crushed righties to the tune of a .260/.365/.532 batting line, swatting a dozen homers, nine doubles and a triple in just 203 trips to the plate when holding the platoon advantage this year. Vogelbach’s has long been a productive hitter against righties, and he’s not all that far removed from a smashing a career-high 30 homers with the 2019 Mariners.
There’s some appeal to Vogelbach beyond the strong platoon work and next year’s affordable club option, too. He entered the year with three-plus years of Major League service time, meaning that even after a club exercises next year’s option — which seems likely, whether it’s the Pirates, Mets or another trade partner — he’s still controllable through the 2024 season. Vogelbach would be arbitration-eligible in the 2023-24 offseason before reaching free agency in the 2024-25 offseason.
The 29-year-old Bell is hitting .311/.390/.504 with 13 home runs this season, striking out at a career-low 13.5% and drawing walks at a hearty 10.7% pace. He’s earning $10MM this season, and while the Nationals might be wary of sending long-term pieces to the division-rival Mets (e.g. Juan Soto), Bell is a free agent at the end of the year, which probably eliminates any such concerns from Washington’s vantage point.
It’s a similar story for the 42-year-old Cruz, who’s earning $15MM this season and has a mutual option for the 2023 campaign. Those are rarely exercised by both parties, however, and players with mutual options are generally considered rentals for this reason. Cruz got out to an awful start in 2022 but has produced a solid .283/.362/.425 batting line in his past 247 plate appearances. He’s only homered six times in that span, showing a decidedly uncharacteristic lack of power, but Cruz has still been a productive hitter if you’re willing to set aside a slow start to the year.
As for Cron, it’s understandable that the Mets would harbor interest, but a deal seems unlikely to come together. Although the Rockies are 19 games out of the NL West lead and six and a half games back of the NL’s third Wild Card spot, the organization has opted not to deal what look to be on-paper trade candidates for years now. Ownership in Denver steadfastly believes the foundation of a contending club is in place, as evidenced by the glut of extensions doled out over the past year (as well as the surprising signing of Kris Bryant to a seven-year deal).
One need look no further than last year’s deadline to see that Cron isn’t likely to be moved. The Rockies were in this position a year ago, when Cron was playing on a cheap one-year deal and looked like a slam-dunk candidate to be flipped to a contender. The Rockies instead kept him and inked Cron to a two-year, $14.5MM extension. To their credit, Cron has been overwhelming bargain, hitting .298/.350/.552 with 21 homers this year. That’s outstanding production, but if the Rox balked at moving him a year ago when he was a free-agent-to-be, it only stands to reason that they’d be further dissuaded from trading him now (even though the contract likely makes him more appealing to potential suitors). General manager Bill Schmidt said just last week that he does not expect to be a major seller this summer.
Any of the names listed here would likely serve as an upgrade over the combined .219/.300/.368 batting line that Mets designated hitters have put together this season. That production includes 90 very productive plate appearances by Pete Alonso as DH, which only underscores how rough the non-Alonso DH options have been at Citi Field this season.
As for what would happen with the current DH options the Mets have in-house, it somewhat unsurprisingly seems as though a change of scenery may be in the fold. Smith was just placed on the injured list due to an ankle sprain but could return by the middle of next week. The Cubs and Red Sox are among the teams to have talked to the Mets about a potential trade. Martino writes that the Mets are “working to trade Smith,” adding that Davis could be moved as well.
Smith has struggled in 2021-22 after a hugely productive 2019-20 showing, while Davis’ power numbers have tumbled this year despite eye-popping exit velocity and hard-hit numbers. Both are controllable for two years beyond the current campaign, which might make them appealing to a club that’s not a current contender but can afford to give Smith or Davis consistent playing time while showing a bit more patience than the Mets have the luxury of doing in a competitive setting atop the NL East.
cubsmetsbrewers
Giving up on guys like davis and smith for someone like Cruz or vogelbach AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA #noseringatit
VonPurpleHayes
I’d take vogelbach over Smith these days.
TheMan 3
can the Bucs throw in Van Meter and Yoshi as freebies?
piratesanddbacksfan
Gladly for a case of BP baseballs both are yours
SouthernBuc
So humor me… as a Pirates fan, what would Mets fan give up for Vogelbach? I know this is not a reach for the stars scenario. But my 2 cents… I don’t think Pirates want players who are only controlled for 2 years or less, so think some type of ‘prospect’.
bryan c
nothing. A true Mets fan would give nothing for Vogelbach. He does nothing to move the needle. I certainly hope this is a fall back option D as a bench piece and nothing more. In that case, a penny slot purchase at any casino (or like a 40th ranked prospect).
padam
As a Mets fan I wouldn’t want him on my Triple A team.
mlb1225
If the Pirates trade Vogelbach for Dom Smith, that is essentially going backward. Smith has the same amount of contract control left and a lot more risk. If Smith is included in any deal, whether that is for Vogelbach or any other player, it’s going to be as the low-risk throw-in than being a significant piece of the deal.
cubsmetsbrewers
As a Mets fan I wouldn’t want him on my triple a team
Just typing that gave me the chills
Bill M
Cruz & Vogelbach shouldn’t even be in the conversation
VonPurpleHayes
Have you seem 0 WAR Smith? Vogelbach is a definite improvement. There’s just no room for Smith on the Me5s and he seems like he doesn’t want to be there. Definitely could be wrong about that, but really getting anything for Smith is an improvement.
Sunday Lasagna
The Giants and Rays have rosters full of Vogelbach’s and they consistently win. Against a righty on the mound he has an 813 OPS and a 130 sOPS+
bucsfan0004
I highly, highly doubt the free-spending Mets owner would settle for a player like Vogelbach. He wants the best team possible, not a player the lowly Pirates signed with a coupon.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s not like acquiring Vogelbach prevents them from other, bigger moves.
Bill M
It clogs up a roster spot with someone who’s not a big difference maker down the stretch
VonPurpleHayes
He’s a bigger difference maker than Smith. And Vogelbach’s numbers will improve even more in that lineup. The Mets don’t need to make a huge move. They’ve been pretty dominant all year.
piratesanddbacksfan
As a Piratefan4life I’d love Josh Walker a LHP for Vogelbach
killertofu
No one on here talking about Mancini goes to show the ignorance of him playing in Baltimore and thus paying him no mind. He’s easily the best hitter and clubhouse guy along with playing with Showalter for two years. I don’t see how everyone is not talking about this guy. It has to be because he plays for the Orioles.
piratesanddbacksfan
I think with as well as Baltimore is playing players like Mancini won’t be traded but kept to show fans they’re serious a out this surprise playoff push
davidk1979
Smith has zero homers this year and in 1500 career at bats he has been worth zero war
Robrock30
Sleepy Dom Smith is an Indy Ball Player and a waste of a roster spot.
No Power DH / 1B, overhyped Player not great defensively
JD Davis can’t play a position and can’t hit fastballs up and in
cubsmetsbrewers
You seem like a hater
padam
Sounds like someone we all know. Must be his alias.
cubsmetsbrewers
You eat gravy
You Can Put It In The Books
It’s the Adam Duvall guy
cubsmetsbrewers
Yankees should be the ones looking for a bat
bluetooth2
They have one of the best hitting offenses in baseball
cubsmetsbrewers
You got me!
YankeesBleacherCreature
Nah nobody cares about your misformed opinions.
YankeesBleacherCreature
*misinformed
cubsmetsbrewers
Are u talking to me yankeesbleachercreature? ( nice name numbskull)
MyCommentIsBetter
Dude no one on any website should ever get you this upset…..
DaOldDerbyBastard
This one was a no brainer to flag. What a disgusting person you are.
DaOldDerbyBastard
Shouldn’t you get back to truth social?
mlb1225
Bruh what?
MyCommentIsBetter
You have true issues that I highly recommend getting checked by a therapist.
cubsmetsbrewers
Boys for you Michael Chavis booty 😉
Cosmo2
BleacherCreature: that troll’s opinions are both misinformed and misformed.
cubsmetsbrewers
A bit like yours
Cosmo2
Good one
cubsmetsbrewers
Thanks cosmo 😉
dannycore
You you guys can have Haniger or Santana after we trade for Soto.
badco44
Hope you like Corbin, cause I understand the Nats insist he has to be part of the deal… and he is owed a ridiculous amount of money also
bryan c
unless he suddenly learned to pitch I’m not sure that solves the Ms needs.
myaccount2
Personally think the Mariners need both a SP and a bat. I’m not sure we can stack up with the favorites in the playoffs (or even get there) without making a significant addition to both areas.
That being said, simply getting Lewis and Haniger back may be enough offensively.
10centBeerNight
Think NYM fans can be confident team will add an impact bat. Many out there. But wouldn’t get hopes up about Soto.
rct
I agree, and I’m perfectly fine with that as a Mets fan.
Bill M
Benintendi, Bell, Iglesias should be at the top of the list
RoyalsFanAmongWolves
Benintendi isn’t a DH he is a position player
hiflew
Every DH is a position player except Ohtani
Thesecondjamie
Yes but utilizing a gold glove OF as a DH would be not great.
Jdt8312
I think Bell is probably the best fit for what the Mets need. I don’t think we’re going to give up every close to the majors player to bring Soto on board. And I don’t think that’s a good idea. Thankfully, the owner agrees with that, and has stated numerous times that we are willing to spend money, but we also are going to be building up the farm as well. Depleting it to bring in one player would seem to be counter to the Mets ultimate plan. Especially when you can sign him in a couple of years. Who really wants to watch the Nationals take our young players, and build a winner with them, while we’d get one player? Just sayin’.
seamaholic 2
Bell is gonna require a haul, especially for an in-division trade. Cron would be the ideal get but the Rockies are … well, difficult.
ChrisLex
Why would he “require a haul”?? He’s a FA at the end of the year.
pohle
and hes hitting like he wants a new contract, he looks like the best hitter available. maybe no real “haul” but the price wont be incredibly low
seamaholic 2
Best hitter available. You don’t come strong someone outbids you.
cubsmetsbrewers
Just look wat rays gave up for Cruz last year mo-tard
Canosucks
Mike Rizzo GM of Nats hates the Mets; no way the Mets are going to benefit from a trade with the Nats.
Vogelbach is a joke.
Should just bring up one of the rookies in AAA who are on the fence to MLB.
Get some playoff run experience; has to be better than Smith.
Cruz are you freaking kidding me?
MyCommentIsBetter
Lol. Smith’s #s make Vogelbach look like Juan Soto. .338 OBP with a 117 OPS+. Double Smith’s OPS+ and he’s barely better than Vogey. Let alone can be acquired for probably next to nothing. Say ‘I don’t really know baseball’ without actually saying it.
bryan c
Dom Smith is not the guy being replaced. JD Davis is. Davis has been mediocre at best this year, but OBP and slugging are close to Vogelbach. Not as many home runs but more speed. It’s a wash. Dom is trade bait and a change scenery guy period. The mets are seekingan upgrade at DH with someone they can plug every day. It’s not Vogel. Forget Dom exists. We have.
MyCommentIsBetter
Sorry, not a Mets fan just going off the article. The article said they’re looking to upgrade DH and named both Smith and Davis so I assumed an upgrade was going to replace both at that spot. Agreed that Davis and Vogelbach are a wash looking at numbers though.
mlb1225
Career OBP and slugging? Because no way are they close in OBP and slugging this season. Davis isn’t even slugging .350 this year and Vogelbach is slugging .430. Davis has a .325 OBP and Vogelbach has a .338 mark. Neither Davis nor Smith are an upgrade over Vogelbach. They all come with the same amount of control remaining and age wise, Smith has only 2 years on both JDD and DV.
Sunday Lasagna
@canosucks, if Mike Rizzo hates the Mets then why would he endorse his former protege Adam Cromie to work for the Mets, going so far as to say he would thrive with the Mets? Do you know Mike personally, did he say something or are you just guessing how he feels?
Canosucks
“Say ‘I don’t really know baseball’ without actually saying it”
Maybe before you criticize a Mets fan you should understand we as Mets fans understand the whole team and all other options.
Canosucks
@WampumWalloper
I don’t know if you are a Mets fan but I only mention that because when you follow a team you watch and hear daily things.
“did he say something” Yes multiple times if you watch the team closely.
One example: I remember a few years back after a meaningless Mets Nats game Mike Rizzo came unglued in the media barking at the umpires for a meaningless call in that game.
And anyone would help a friend land a job who didn’t have that position in MLB regardless of their personal feelings; that’s a good friend.
dlw0906
@Jdt8312 Finally a voice of reason and reality.
S_man_2014
@Jdt, I think if there is a player to deplete one’s system it is Juan Soto. However, it would depend on if the acquiring team can sign him to a long term extension. Soto is young enough that a team can rebuild it depth to build a winning team.. In regards to the Mets, I wonder what impacts it has on Jacob Degrom (assuming he comes back healthy and opts out at the end of the season), if the Mets trade and sign Soto to an extension.
Jdt8312
@S_man….I respectfully disagree. I want Soto on our team. I don’t think it’s a good idea to trade everything for him, or anyone, for that matter. I do agree that you don’t make any trade for Soto unless you can get him to sign an extension as a part of the trade.
bryan c
completely agree. I believe he hits free agency regardless so just buy him after 2024 if he is still what he is today. Let someone else give up their brightest.
Bell for a 8-15 range guy like Butto or Hamel should work. If you have to, Vientos or Mauricio just to make sure you get the best bat on the market and then get on the phone with the Cubs, Dbacks, Tigers and possibly Os for BP help.
CleaverGreene
I don’t think Soto signs a long term deal. At best, he signs a long term w/opt outs galore and a NTC.
cubsmetsbrewers
Mets don’t need a bat go look at boys
Jdt8312
The Mets need a DH, and at least one, probably 2 bullpen arms. If you don’t think we need a bat, you haven’t looked at the production out of the DH spot all year, or you just don’t know baseball.
padam
Mets are in the top 5 for runs scored. I’d hold off throwing rocks at others and what they know/don’t know.
Jdt8312
We’re not talking about runs scored. We’re talking about production from the DH spot in the lineup.
cubsmetsbrewers
relax jdt
cubsmetsbrewers
And hey buddy, Adonis Medina 😉 snappy boy 😉
padam
@JDT – exactly. It’s not a glaring need. A left arm in the bullpen is what they should focus on. Perhaps another top tier reliever as well.
In nurse follars
Clogging the dh with one dedicated player is not a good use. Dh can rest players who need a day off their feet without losing their bat. That the Mets need a dh is more of a reflection of a poor producing bench.
AHH-Rox
Yeah, no way the Rockies are trading Cron.
They envision contending for a playoff spot next year behind a core of Cron, Bryant, Rodgers, McMahon, and Blackmon, plus what has potential to be an above-average rotation.
Unlikely that will all come together, but the Rockies are nothing if not hopeful.
Look for them to trade Colome (maybe the Mets could use him) and maybe Jose Iglesias, neither of whom will net a very big return.
You Can Put It In The Books
That’s a pretty sad “core”.
seamaholic 2
Not really. They get loads of fans and the team makes money and are fun to watch, at home at least. Depends what your goals are. I’d call fans who live and die over their team’s winning percentage the “sad” ones.
TheRealMilo
Hmmm – is this a member of the Rangers’ ownership group?
You Can Put It In The Books
Huh? That’s a pretty odd response. Wanna try again?
hiflew
Then don’t watch. There are 29 other teams for you to follow. They are not household names simply because ESPN, Fox, and MLB Network refuse to show any teams other than the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, Mets, Braves, and a handful of others.
You Can Put It In The Books
I found MarlinsFanBase’s alias.
AHH-Rox
Well, Bryant is a household name, because he played with the Cubs. Supporting your point.
rct
I wouldn’t say ‘no way’ they’re trading Cron. He’s 32 with only one year left on his deal. If the Mets (or someone else) offered a good, MLB-ready prospect and another lower level guy with upside, I think they’d take it.
imo, their roster is an odd one. A lot of aging players and they’re spinning their wheels. I would trade everything not nailed down and do a proper rebuild. But if they’re playing decent baseball and the fans love the team, I can see why they’d just keep on keeping on with what they have.
TheRealMilo
That’s the core? And above average rotation? Are they conjuring the ghost of Cy Young and Walter Johnson to front that above average rotation?
dlw0906
No to Benintendi or Cruz. I like the Vogelbach option. He’s a power bat and controllable for a few seasons. I’d prefer that to a rental like Bell. As for Soto I’d be just as content seeing that quartet of their top prospects taking the field together next season.
Not sure what they can get out of Davis or Smith at this point. A new set of snow tires?
JoeBrady
dlw0906
No to Benintendi or Cruz. I like the Vogelbach option. He’s a power bat and controllable for a few seasons.
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I agree. I don’t see the fit with Benni. Canha is playing well enough. Replacing him with Benni wouldn’t move the needle much, and Benni will cost real prospects. Vogelbach can platoon with Davis, and whatever they give up for him likely won’t be so much that it would interfere with the NYMs making other moves.
Ofttimes, cheaper moves can give you 80% of what you want at 50% of the cost.
bluetooth2
He can’t hit lefties
10centBeerNight
Eh. Belief that Wash won’t trade with NYM is overheated. GM biz is kind of fraternal. You never know what team you might be working for down the road. Or what team has a piece that may help you win when standings are reversed. For superstars and franchise faces – yeah have to consider fan base displeasure. Was the case with Scherzer and surely with Soto. But for expiring contracts, no reason to think Bell and Cruz aren’t available to NYM if they make best offer
dlw0906
@10centBeerNight Exactly, also the owners are selling the team so even less incentive to care about trading to an interdivision rival.
Canosucks
@10centBeerNight are you serious
Mike Rizzo GM of Nats hates the Mets; I remember a few years back after a meaningless Mets Nats game Mike Rizzo came unglued in the media barking at the umpires for a meaningless call in that game.
No way Mike Rizzo does anything for the Mets; fraternal? more like funeral Rizzo wants to see for the Mets
cubsmetsbrewers
Blah blah blah
BobGibsonFan
What would a Soto deal look like?
Rangers – Leiter, Rocker Porter, Jung? Maybe a lower prospect or 2?
Tigers – Torkelson, Mize, Skubal, Jobe, Jung?
Yankees – Volpe, Peraza, Dominguez, Waldichuk, Wells?
It would be a major haul to get Soto, and then you’d want to extend him. Like $500 mil over 10 years extension. Soto is still only 23 years old. 10 year deal for him would be worth it, but that is a lot to spend… prospects and dollars.
stymeedone
You really over rate Soto. He’s Adam Dunn 2.0. Low batting ave. slow. Walks. Hits HRs. Bad in the field. Can be an asset,but nowhere near best player, highest contract status.
MyCommentIsBetter
The dude is 23 with a career 160 OPS+, a .968 OPS, a .405 OBP, and an average hovering around .300 at .293… Lol don’t be that guy.
mlb1225
Soto has a .290+ average in three of his last four seasons. He only has a .250 average right now because his batting average on balls in play is only .244 compared to .330 in 2018-2021. In the last month, his BAbip has stablized to .303 and his average is .321.
seamaholic 2
Dude, he’s been the best non-Trout player in the world for years, and he’s 23. What universe do you exist in.
YankeesBleacherCreature
So is he an asset or not? Inquiring minds what to know.
Jacksson13
Call the Twinkies – They’ll give you a bargain price for Sano !!
Rsox
Conforto back in Queens to DH for the remainder of the season
Canosucks
Hell no to Conforto; joke anyone would take him at this point.
He comes back in September after an injury requiring major shoulder surgery.
It will take him a month to get ready; like his own spring training
C Yards Jeff
Yesterday’s Giants signing Rosenthal story had some Mets fans posting the need for bullpen help. If so,
Mancini and Tate for a guy like Butto (and probably Smith?). Someone like Butto with slower arsenal would be a nice fit between flame throwers Rodriguez and Hall starting in 24 but possibly 23?. Why is Smith in the deal? Cost of doing business. That’s how badly the O’s want a Butto and how badly the Mets want to jettison Smith.
All this is assuming Mets are willing to let go of a high prospect SP guy. (Butto is a Mets 40). If Elias, can’t get a deal like this, I’m thinking he goes “shopping” elsewhere.
Rsox
The Orioles may not be interested in trading anyone as they currently sit at .500 in the middle of july for the first time in years. While they may not be a Wild Card contender they may be able to findish with somewhere between 70-80 wins which would be a huge confidence boost for the organization and sign that the rebuild is turning a corner towards contention
C Yards Jeff
@Rsox; I hear ya! And if I was the owner, I’d go for it right now. Three things: First. Owner John Angelos does not meddle in the baseball decision making of his franchise. Elias has a plan and he will follow it through. Making a run this year is not part of the plan. And Angelos will stay away. Second. Moral within the organization is fine. National media since 2018/19 has tended to “speculate” otherwise thus, until very recently, painting a bleak near future outlook. Three. Fan support is split, but not because of Elias. Fans that believe John Angelos will continue to stay out of Elias’s way and he will expand payroll when Elias says it’s time to do it, are happy. Fans who are skeptical Angelos will not increase payroll exponentially when Elias says it’s time; are not happy. Fingers crossed Angelos opens his wallet! Cheers.
CleaverGreene
Done! I like Butto, but done. Mancini will excel in a chance at a pennant chase.
C Yards Jeff
@SCarlton12; Mancini. A professional hitter. Approaches every a bat the same regardless of intensity of situation + great clubhouse guy + Buck knows him well. I hope this happens. Pulling for Buck to win a WS. Mancini can definitely help him get there!
Mystery Team
What happened to all the Met’s fans on here talking about how great JD Davis was? What amazes me is that with all the money the Mets spent they still have guys like Davis and Smith getting ABs. I can’t wait for the Braves to pass them up. Even more I can’t wait until they don’t win anything and the fans turn on Cohen.
bryan c
Okay troll, I’ll bite. Davis is still a decent hitter and garners interest around the league. Fact is the Mets are 58-35 and a decent hitter is not good enough in a pennant chase. Like many other teams, the Mets are seeking to improve. Vogelbach is not an improvement.
Can’t wait until the Braves pass the Mets huh? Well, they just had their first shot at home, riding the hottest streak in the land and couldn’t get it done even while missing Walker in the series. Mad Max is back and looks better than ever now, and deGrom is either starting in Citi vs the Yankees or making a final rehab start early next week. If they add no impact bat or BP arm, they already added to two best starting pitchers any team could possibly hope for in Max & Jake. Keep thinking this is the old Mets – that’s exactly what the Mets want. Imagine if they do add a real bat like Bell or Mancini? Imagine if they grab a couple BP pieces. 58-35. +83 run differential. 9-3 vs. Phillies and 4-3 vs. Braves. Won the Cardinals season series. Split with the Dodgers in LA without Max or deGrom. Anything could happen but your assumption is on the side of unlikely.
MyCommentIsBetter
Vogelbach is an improvement to Smith and Davis though….
bryan c
Absolutely not. We can have differing opinions but I would rather keep Davis over Vogelbach because I’m not trading anything of value for the same hitter with more pop but can’t make it to second on a ground rule double.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Davis is always injured. That’s the issue. But I do agree the Mets are overrated and the Braves may pass them. Mets will still make postseason though.
Canosucks
Sounds like Mystery Team needs a hobby or maybe a life?
More to life than just hating a ball team and their fans; what waste of time.
rct
“What happened to all the Met’s fans on here talking about how great JD Davis was?”
They’re probably still in your head, where they were fabricated for the purposes of your straw man arguments.
cubsmetsbrewers
You’re a weaker guy
CleaverGreene
Amazes? it’s called the Cohen luxury tax.
Monkey’s Uncle
Vogelbach has been a nice contributor to the Pirates this season. I wouldn’t mind if the Bucs traded him for some youth and prospects, but I wouldn’t hate it if they kept him around past this season either. He seems to be a positive influence in the clubhouse and a max effort kind of player. And it’s not as if the Pirates have a ton of power on the roster, or coming up to it soon.
mlb1225
Cruz will tap into that power and Henry Davis is already at Double-A. They might not be Aaron Judge, but Liover Peguero, Travis Swaggerty, and Nick Gonzales have a chance to hit for average or better power. But I too would like to see him stick around. If he has 2 more years of control remaining beyond 2022, the Pirates really have no reason to rush a trade for him. It’s not like he’s a red hot commodity and nobody is knocking down the door to get him. He’s definitley on team’s radars, but probably only as a 3rd or 4th option in the event they miss out on other opportunities.
tiredolddude
Yes, he’s actually been a nice surprise but I would be shocked if he, Quintana, Gamel and even Marisnik are here after the deadline
MyCommentIsBetter
You can have Vogey for 2 lottery tickets
Henry Silvestre
Pads can come in take 2 out of 3 with a couple of Voit bombs…and leave him behind for you Mets..he loves NY… and we need toom for Contreras
hiflew
I say if the Mets want Cron, I wouldn’t accept anything less than one of their top 5 prospects (preferably Mauricio, but I’m flexible) + Dom Smith + a low level pitcher. If they balk at that price, then keep Cron and watch the Mets lose in the first round of the playoffs.
Everyone think the Rockies should trade, but they won’t. That puts them in a position of power. If you don’t accept the price, then they just won’t trade and will try to extend their players.
bryan c
Mauricio or Vientos could be fair enough in this Mets fan’s humble opinion. Certainly not Alvarez or Baty, but the extra year of control at a reasonable price makes a lot of sense to potentially part with one of those two. Mauricio is a pure athlete with pop with Reyes potential but an Ahmed Rosario floor while Vientos has moon shot power but could have some contact issues in the bigs. These are guys that match up well in a trade for a year and a half of a Cron. However, I think adding Dom and a pitcher is a bit of a reach.
I still prefer Bell since it’s a pure rental and should cost less than one of these two. Also has a better history of hitting and I worry that Cron is somewhat inflated due to hitters park and not being pitched around as much.
mlb1225
I know it’s not a perfect tool, but Baseball Trade Values likes this one: Mets acquire Bell, Victor Arano, and Steve Cisheck for Matt Allan and Dom Hamel. It might be a little bit of an overpay on the Mets’ side, but it does give the Mets the bat they need and two bullpen arms, one of which comes with multiple years of control remaining.
bryan c
Value is about right but The Mets would be foolish to part with two of their best 3 pitching prospects (Ziegler the other). Allen has too much upside for me to flip. Prefer the swap out Allen with a bat prospect not named Baty or Alvarez on that one
mlb1225
Yeah, that’s why I think it’s an overpay. If Bell came with another year of control remaining, I think the Mets might consider it a lot more than him being just a rental.
DaOldDerbyBastard
It’s sad that you’re only here to try to make people feel as small and as inadequate as yourself. Just a pathetic existence.
rct
“If they balk at that price, then keep Cron and watch the Mets lose in the first round of the playoffs.”
I hope that spite will keep them company as they watch the playoffs from their couches again for the fourth year in a row. I could see the Mets offering Vientos and Smith and if the Rockies don’t take it, they’ll move elsewhere.
Cron is good, but he’s almost 33 and only has a year left on his deal. Rockies aren’t really dealing from a position of strength. There are a lot of other options for DH out there. If they don’t want to deal, fine. Teams will move on.
mlb1225
Doubt the Rockies would take just Vientos and Smith. They’d probably ask for another prospect, even if that’s just a low-leve lotto-ticket type prospect. Smith doesn’t hurt a trade package, but it doesn’t help it either.
hiflew
The Rockies could do 4 years standing on their heads. It was 12 years between their first and second playoff appearance. BTW, how many years has it been for the Mets now?
joew
as a pirates fan, i’d do a vogelback for smith or maybe davis. maybe a backroom agreement for cash or lower end prospect should one side end up being greatly lopsided the rest of the season
I’d lean to Smith simply since he has more experience at first even if he won’t be playing there much and through 2024 which might be time where we are pushing could be useful.
Vogleback is clearly better this season well on track for a 20hr season.
for the mets, if you want to win today, Daniel is doing better than either one and you have another year of control on the cheap… as long as you have a platoon partner… If it fails you get off cheaper
on the pirates side, it is a risk but manageable if it doesn’t work out.
Seems like a win win. Mets might be able to find another deal that would be a bigger win.
mlb1225
Smith nor Davis are an upgrade over Vogelbach. You’re getting a worse hitter with the same amount of control remaining. The Pirates need to get an actual prospect in a Vogelbach trade.
Cosmo2
It surely doesn’t make sense for anyone to trade a DH for Smith and/or Davis as the entire reason the Mets are looking for an upgrade is because that tandem isn’t working.
butch779988
hello JD Martinez
Cosmo2
Cruz makes no sense as he’s not an upgrade over what they have plus poses the same problem of not having a position. I like Vogelbach if he can be had without giving up too much. Bell plus a controllable reliever, as someone above suggested, would be great even if the price stings a bit.
Roberto Gee
So call Chaim Bloom.
What would the Mets part with to get JDMartinez (and it would need to be very good)?
PutPeteinthehall
Notice the Cubs were mentioned as a trade partner. Contreras is an excellent bat to have every day in the lineup with him sharing catching duties with McCann and being the DH when McCann is catching. I don’t believe he’s making more than Bell either although what’s money to Uncle Steve?
I still believe Contreras will listen to the Cubs this off-season too. I could see Smith or Davis and a prospect being swapped for Willson. McCann is better than he has shown however isn’t good for more than 80 games a season behind the dish. Happ was not mentioned in the article however is a decent bat that can play infield outfield if needed and has a lot of pop in his bat. Mets should get one of them although the prospect haul that Happ would bring might be too much. He’s under contract for next season too.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
JD Martinez would be a good pick up. It is likely Sox are sellers at the deadline.