5:16PM: The Nationals want “four to five top young players” for Soto, Ken Rosenthal said during a FOX Sports interview today. This “monstrous ask” consists of star prospects and/or players who have only recently made their MLB debuts, and thus are under control for several years. Given the size of this expected trade package, “at this point….it’s not really a negotiation. The Nationals are saying ’either you express a willingness to meet our price, or we just go to the next club,’ ” Rosenthal said.
As an example, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that if the Giants were to bid for Soto, the Nats would want left-handed pitching prospect Kyle Harrison back as part of the return. Harrison was the Giants’ third-round pick in the 2020 draft, and his great 2022 numbers have elevated him in midseason prospect rankings — Baseball America has Harrison rated 22nd on their latest list of baseball’s top 100 minor leaguers, while MLB Pipeline has him 25th.
11:20AM: The possibility of a Juan Soto trade has dominated MLB headlines for the past week, but the Nationals haven’t been impressed with the offers they’ve seen so far, per the Athletic’s Brittany Ghiroli. Finding a suitable trade package for a well-decorated 23-year-old superstar is complicated enough, but the Nationals’ ownership situation adds another confounding wrinkle.
With current owners, the Lerner family, looking increasingly likely to sell the club, the desires of any new potential owner have to be considered in any Soto deal, as well. According to Jon Heyman of the New York Post, some potential buyers would prefer to have Soto on the roster. Given that Soto is by far the Nats’ best baseball asset, it’s not surprising that a new ownership group would want him in the organization.
It’s hard to imagine that the club would be more attractive to potential buyers without Soto on the roster. There is the possibility of a new ownership group preferring a clean slate while letting the Lerners take the public relations hit that will come with dealing the team’s most popular star. Still, despite all the trade hubbub, it would not at all be shocking to see Soto still on the payroll when the Lerners find a buyer. A new owner would still be able to trade Soto with two full years of team control remaining, even if that sale doesn’t happen until the offseason.
So long as the possibility of a deal remains viable, teams will continue to check in with Nationals’ GM Mike Rizzo. The Yankees are Mets are two of the foremost contenders for Soto. The Yankees are the more likely destination, however, given the Nats’ understandable reticence to deal Soto to a division contender, notes Andy Martino of sny.tv. The Nationals already have to live with former stars Bryce Harper and Max Scherzer in the same division. Nationals fans would certainly not be thrilled to face off with Harper and Soto within the division for the next decade. The Mets can’t be crossed off the list, but they should be counted as long-shots for now.
Inside Out
Ah, Rizzo trying to use media friends again to boost offers. Of course he is going to be traded by August 2. To say they would get as much in off-season is wrong. Right now teams have very few options, certainly no one as good as Soto. In off season can focus on free agents that don’t cost prospects. No new owner is looking at the value of the franchise being tied to a player. The value is all the income teams get each year and the huge untaxed profit in the increased value of the franchise every year.
FarhanFan22
I agree. Sadly it’s the accountants looking at revenue vs future obligations that decide the value of a baseball team. Not fans or scouts. That’s why there’s this disconnect between what we think a team is worth and what billionaire investment bankers think it is worth.
User 3595123227
Oh wow. Really? Most reality based baseball fans know he might get traded because he turned down well north of 400 million. I’m guessing…….just guessing mind you…..the Nationals want to get something instead of watching him walk when it’s his time.
FarhanFan22
Clown show living up to your screen name. I never said that’s why they’re trading him. I was referring to the potential sale. Of course the nats want to get value for him. They have 3 years before he walks though so it doesn’t explain why they’re so motivated to move him now or why they made the AAV ridiculously low and the length ridiculously long. So smart gm is offering 14 year deals.
Cap & Crunch
I’ll take that bet-
Juan Soto will be a National August 3rd
**Including Corbin is stupid for the Nationals but it just might happen (from a rich team) as nobody is going to give 5 top prospects for him.
I see SF in the offseason with them taking Corbin as well.
Very familiar to Z with Mookie/Price deal and he saw the impact of landing that 1 guy as a cornerstone had. Wide open payroll with a deep enough system (in arms) to still level up after a Soto trade
**Really wish Tex didn’t spend on both Seager/Seiman ; great spot
Baez on Det?- Great spot
Bal- Coolest spot and probably best return for Nats but that Tv contract beef prolly squashes that before it even starts
Most likely big market tho and I don’t see it Yank’s or Dodgers
SF final answer, and a pretty solid +800 bet today imo , better than top ones above Mets+450 Yanks +450
Lad +550 Tor +650
Cap & Crunch
** Mets- Inter Division
Yanks- Judge $$ no prospects needed
Dodgers- Turner $$, more pivotal position
Tor- Vlad/ Bo future money, NO OF/offense needed
Dogbone
To the Chisox for Vaughn, Kopech and Colson Montgomery.
tstats
And?
rememberthecoop
Need at least one more young star prospect or major leaguer – they want 4-5 of those guys and aren’t willing to negotiate.
Very Barry
My sources in Chicago are telling me that the White Sox are getting close on Soto. Vaughn and Colson Montgomery are both in the package. Kopech isn’t. Wes Kath and Jared Kelley in the deal. Jose Rodgriquez also likely in. Garrett Croche is the final hurdle.
Holy Cow!
Should we trust Barry’s ass?
Dumpster Divin Theo
That seems very light Barry. Rizzo and Rick have a good relationship so anythings possible. Garrett shouldn’t be a deal-breaker
buya
Not going to happen in SF.
By the 6 inning he will be out of the game for a pitch hitter.The way Kap does things starters play 5 and subs takes over the rest of the game
BaseballisLife
The odds are 5/2 in London that Soto will be traded by August 2nd. You could make some decent money if you make a bet against and he stays.
Pete'sView
Cap & Crunch — If I’m the Giants, of course I want Soto—and need him too. But I wouldn’t give up Harrison or Matos. Everyone else is fodder.
roob
So, what day does he go to the Dodgers?
Deadguy
So it really is gonna take Jordan Walker, Maysin Winn, Matthew Libratore, Nolan Gorman and the Stl ARCH to get Juan Soto
eatonculo
The Cardinals have no business making that kind of trade.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@fffbbb – While I agree owners buy these teams for the appreciation of the asset, it’s not accurate to say they make a “huge untaxed profit in the increased value of the franchise each year.” Until they actually sell the team, they do not make a single penny on the increased value of the club, nor should they be taxed on the club’s increased valuation. With that said, the Lerners are about to see a massive return on investment, Soto or no Soto. They’re set to make over $1B in ‘profit’ just for selling the club, at which point they will be properly taxed. Must be nice to be that rich, huh?
iverbure
Nobody is trading for Soto at the deadline and nobody should if they’re smart. It’s a good thing they’re all brilliant Ivy League gms now, fans will be confused but who cares. Fans don’t know anything.
BaseballisLife
Guess that is why so many teams immediately jumped into the bidding for Soto? Because those Ivy league GMs are all really stupid?
badco44
Easy to say it will cost draft picks to sign in the off season especially the big ticket ones
Dorothy_Mantooth
Man, take a look at Kyle Harrison’s pitching stats this year in A+ ball. He started 7 games in High-A this year before being promoted and he averaged 18.3 strikeouts per game at age 20! He’s averaging over 12 per game in AA too. No wonder the Nationals would want him from the Giants in any deal for Soto.
Pickle_Britches
Yeah he’s a beast. You see his line for tonight’s start? 3inn 0h 0r 9ks lol wow he could be a stud. And only 20 yrs old. Him Luciano and Bart would get it done.
Observations1978
Mets and Yankees likely will get played off against each other here. I don’t think the Yankees dump their best players for Soto. Texas could be a player here. They have a lot of quality young players in their system, particularly arms and maybe a quality OF prospect or two.
Jdt8312
The Mets and Yankees aren’t going to be in it at all. The Yankees don’t have the prospects in their system to get Soto, and the Mets owner has said that he’s willing to spend money to win now, but we are also going to build the farm. Depleting what we already have to get one player isn’t in the business plan.
Dorothy_Mantooth
@Observations1978 – If the Yankees truly want to add Soto, they will have no hesitancy trading away their best prospects for him. Soto is a generational talent who still hasn’t reached his prime, while their top prospects like Volpe are just that…prospects. The Yankees biggest concern will be how trading for and extending Soto will impact the club from a financial/CBT standpoint. If the Yankees can figure out how to add Soto without being assessed huge overage penalties from MLB, they do this deal in a NY minute (pun intended). They have learned their lesson from the Frazier and Andujar days; refusing to include either of these ‘top prospects’ in deadline deals that would have significantly improved their club. Soto would significantly improve the Yankees, so if they can get the financial side straight, the Yankees will include their 4-5 best prospects to acquire this 23 year old superstar. He would quickly overtake Judge as the face of the franchise; in fact he could be reason enough for NY to allow Judge to walk in free agency; he’s that good!
metfan4ever
Dorothy_Mantooth, what 4 to 5 prospects do you think the Yankees have to give up for Soto, Volpe is # 12 on top 100 prospects & then 39 for Peraza who’s also a SS. So 2 SS in the deal. Then #60 Medina P, and #73 Dominguez CF and #93 Vargas still a 3ed SS. Ya, I could see that happening. Unlike the RedSox who have #16 Casas 1B, & #19 Mayer SS, & #29 York 2B. Covering 3 different positions not 3 SS. But I’m sure your deal would work.
bass86
I disagree. They get more if they wait to trade him in the off-season. Because more teams will be involved. I just can’t see why the New York Yankees for example would trade away so much talent when they already have the best record in major leagues. I know it’s tough when you play the Astros but I don’t think you have to sell your future to get over that hump.
BaseballisLife
Because every team will want to give more prospects for less time with Soto on their roster. NOT!
10centBeerNight
He will be dealt. That team has many many needs currently. Someone will give them close to the haul they are wanting.
solaris602
There’s a lot of pretzel logic going on in that article. Bottom line is they suck with him on the roster, so what’s the point in keeping him? Teams won’t make their best offer until the 11th hour, but I can’t see him with the Nats after the deadline. Soto can put any of the contenders over the top. His value will never be greater than it is now.
acmeants
Just send him to an American League team so he will be out of the Braves’ hair.
SportsFan0000
Soto to the Braves would be a stunner.
we_dont_talk_about_that
It isn’t going to happen, but Will Smith and Soto in the same club house could be interesting.
fred-3
It won’t be traded until the off-season
Jonthunder
“It?”
Holy Cow!
Yeah, I don’t think it will be traded until trading deadline 2023. So gird yourself for weekly updates after this deadline.
Jonthunder
What is “it?”
bob9988 2
The creey clown, duh.
Bill M
What is “creey?”
Jonthunder
Oh, no.
That’s bad.
BeforeMcCourt
Lmao. So he’s not traded now- reasonable- but he’s also not traded in the offseason.. rather, he’s traded a whole year from now, when his value is astronomically lower than it would be now or in the offseason, with the exact same issues that are present now still viable? Your troll game needs work
Holy Cow!
Just my guess when Soto’s value comes down enough for teams willing to give up their prospects.
David Barista
100 percent…. Too much leverage for Nationals, and zero urgency to move Soto for anything less then the absurd current asking price.
SportsFan0000
Nats do not have that leverage. They lost it when the team announced it was for sale and when Soto and his agent turned down 440M deal with Nats.
Now, every team knows Rizzo must move Soto.
That actually favors the buyers not the Nats.
Soto’s value declines if the Nats are forced to hold onto him until the offseason.
compassrose
It is a commodity not a person. Easier to look at it that way so you are not as attached to it.
Jonthunder
Exactly.
Jdt8312
The Nats have all the leverage in the world. they DO NOT NEED TO TRADE HIM RIGHT NOW. They have him for 2 more seasons after this one. They could get some good prospects, and rid themselves of a bad contract after the season is over. No one is going to empty the farm, and take a bad contract before the trade deadline. The Nats have the leverage because they don’t need to move him, and every contending team wants him in the worst way.
Deadguy
It’s IT!
What is it?
Jean Matrac
The idea that the Nat’s have no leverage is absurd. If you have a valuable commodity that is desired by multiple sources bidding against each other you have leverage.
The fact that he rejected a not quite good enough offer is irrelevant. The Lerners selling the team is also irrelevant.
What matters is how much teams will give for him, and there isn’t a team out there that is going to let Soto go cheaply to another team.
n2thecards
“You want it all, but you can’t have it”
User 401527550
That’s a horrible take. As long as there are two willing bidders for Soto then the price goes up. Last I’ve checked there are at least ten bidders competing for his service.
bass86
Not necessarily. We don’t know the circumstances of the season next year. Maybe he is more valuable next year. Maybe that has to do with the situation certain teams are in and their need for him. Maybe also next year he’ll be playing well. He’s not doing that right now. This is a factor in his value
Say Hey Now Kid
“It’s it. What is it”
cleonswoboda
“you want it all but you can’t have it.”
n2thecards
“it’s in your face, but you can’t grab it.” Faith No More, right?
Captain Judge99
C’mon you kiddin’ me, who said Fred? He’s so Yankee bound!!! No Volpe either!!!
Bruin1012
Yup Volpe will be involved if he’s traded ti Yanks book it.
Captain Judge99
@Bruin1012- Book nothing but last place for the Red Sox. My main man is staying put! Volpe is going nowhere kid!
SportsFan0000
Cashman needs to up his offer or the Nats are not sending Soto to NYY.
Cashman played it wrong and lowballed the Pirates (Cole) and the Tigers (Verlander) in trade talks and struck out on those and other deals.
Jdt8312
The Yankees don’t have the prospects to get Soto. Not going to happen.
Captain Judge99
@Jdt8312- the Yankees don’t have the prospects to get Soto? You really think that’s the case?
Bruin1012
Yes without Volpe child they don’t not even close boy.
SteaknBeer
Hey at least you stopped taking drugs and thinking you are Aaron Judge. Still delusional captain but good job
Mick10
Furd is a serious thinker
Braves Butt-Head
Yea you didnt know but “It” is Juan Soto’s preferred pronoun.
Jonthunder
Lol
BeansforJesus
Hey, don’t say “preferred pronouns” too loud, Patrick Corbin may hear you and burn a cross in front of Soto’s locker.
BaseballisLife
The Thing
ButchAdams
What do they expect in return? I get he’s a so-called “generational talent,” but they shot themselves in foot… TWICE. 1 When they made public he rejected their 15yr offer and 2. When they made public they want receiving team to take on 2yr/$55m contract of a pitcher with an era of just below 6.
Jonthunder
That’s a GREAT point: without other teams knowing the rejected offer, they wouldn’t know the likelihood of retaining him.
Now, every team will approach Washington, noting that Soto is almost like a superstar with a large contract attached.
Bobby smac9
Does anyone think he isn’t a superstar not getting paid at some point?
Jonthunder
Yes, but the number is foreboding AND public.
Deleted Userr
Again. Knowing Soto rejected that extension tells us nothing we didn’t already know. He’s a generational talent represented by Scott Boras. No one is trading for him with the expectation that he will sign an extension.
tbonenats
100% agree. I feel like Soto and $500m+ has been discussed for a few years. I don’t know why any team would be shocked that’s the floor for him to pass up a FA bidding frenzy
Jean Matrac
Jonthunder:
That’s not a good point. This isn’t real estate that has just been discovered to have a lien on it. Every team in MLB, and most of us fans, knew it was going to take a record deal to extend Soto. The team being sold is also irrelevant.
What matters is Soto is a huge talent, who’s very young, and though every team can’t afford him, they all would want him. So it’s a bidding war plain and simple. If a team wants Soto they’ll have to pay bigger than every other team.
ButchAdams
Ur right, but Washington tipped their hand and let everyone know the pot is to rich for them and they gonna fold.
Jonthunder
Tell that to Jose Ramirez.
BeforeMcCourt
Leaking the rejections was for their own PR…
Hell, Boras may have leaked that not even the Lerners. Maybe he thought public pressure would force them to increase their offer again, and instead they said “we’re done”. These are negotiations between billionaires, they are never one sided…
BaseballisLife
It wasn’t leaked, it was publicly released by the team.
acmeants
Probably thought it would put most teams out of the running.
FarhanFan22
Shhh baseball is life, don’t confuse McCourt with facts. He’s got wild theories he’s peddling
ohyeadam
2.5 years of Soto for his cost plus the cost of Corbin isn’t really that much of a get unless you’re a wealthy team. Poor teams won’t have the Corbin option so they’ll have to pay more in prospects but unless they’re overflowing it’s too much. So imo he goes to a wealthy team
ButchAdams
That’s true too. Corbin has $55m guarantee, and consensus seems to be Soto gets 30-40m per for each of next 2 are seasons. So u can figure 100m plus prospect package for Soto and an innings eater with 6 era. And that’ll be the floor of his contract
BaseballisLife
MLBTR said Soto should get $25 million in 2023 and $30 million in 2024. I could see him getting a little more, but $60 million total is probably at the top of the range.
Jdt8312
They have time…2 more years to be exact. And every contending team has a need…. they’ll get their price, or no one will get their player. End of story.
Sourhaze
Someone giving more players to the Yankees. Same with the dodgers.
This is why teams should be forced to spend money so they can’t build powerhouses of all superstars. I get not trading with the mets but don’t they ever wanna win? How you gonna do that if you keep building perennial contenders by adding Allstars and hof players?
Joe says...
Not sure why you think the Yankees get everyone’s best players. Cashman is well known to prospect hug and not make deals for top end trade targets. Stanton would be the only one I can think of and he called the shots in that deal as he had a full no trade. I’m pretty sure the Yankees were never in on him until he fell in their laps.
Jonthunder
Same with A-Rod: until MLB rejected his contract restructuring for Boston, he was going to the Red Sox.
THEN, Cashman swooped in…he would do well to get this and Soto done, while eating a ton of contracts (Chapman, Gallo, Hicks, Taillon, etc.) for prospects to move in the deals.
RobM
Pretty much. I know this discussion is about trades, but it relates to free agents too. The Yankees target certain big-name players who fit a need. Gerrit Cole, for example. Prior to Cole, on the free agent side, premier free agents they targeted were Tanaka in 2014 and prior to that, Sabathia in 2009. They’ve picked up some secondary free agents, such as the ill-fated Ellsbury, and that was in reaction to losing Cano. Every year, player agents attach the Yankees to their big-name free agents to drive up the price, and there’s always a Jon Heyman out there to beat the media drum, but the Yankees are rarely involved. What annoys fans is the Yankees have a high success rate when they do target a free agent, but the belief that the Yankees get every big-name free agent is wrong. Trades? If a player falls to them, they’ll be there. The competition for Soto will be so intense that I don’t see Soto falling to them.
Mickey777
RobM. Agree with your analysis and also your conclusion. Unless the Yankees have targeted Soto, he will not end up as a Yankee. 2 1/3 seasons of Soto certainly has value, but I’m not emptying my farm system for him, particularly now that we have a real need to bulk up our bullpen and we need a starter! Very concerned about our bullpen, the loss of King could be disastrous.
slider32
Since the Yankees have been contenders they don’t pick high in the draft. That means they have less chance to get a top star player. This makes it hard for them to get a starter out of their minors. Even now, their top 3 prospects are not doing as well as other teams prospects. With a guy like Soto their is a much higher percentage of him being a star moving forward. He is the type of player you give up good prospects for.
RobM
@Mickey777, agreed. Even in Yankee Universe, they have to work within a framework that includes the luxury tax and they build that into their plans. They can have high-priced players, but they have to balance them out with their own prospects, who are lower cost. For example, I have no doubt that the Yankees originally had Bryce Harper on their acquisition list, but then Judge happened. He hit the 100% percentile in talent return and was making league minimum. They no longer needed to factor Harper into their plans, but they did shift directions and added Stanton with a $22MM AAV. The AAV is what matters, so the Yankees determined that Judge at league minimum with escalating increases, and Stanton at a below-market $22MM AAV, was better than their original plan of Harper on his own. I’d still rather have Harper with Judge, but that was never going to be an option once Judge became, well, Judge. Soto is nothing they’ve planned for, but they will monitor the market, but I don’t see them stripping the farm knowing Judge is now going to cost them market value, as will Soto eventually, and they won’t have much of a farm left to fill the other positions.
Agreed on King. The Yankees are good at bullpen building on the fly, and they have some interesting internal options, but replacing King won’t be easy. Losing King, Severino, and adding to the Green loss earlier, will have an impact, but they have an 11-game lead to identify replacements. King right now is a bigger loss than Severino.
SportsFan0000
Poor excuses. for the Yankees.
The Dodgers have won 8 or 9 straight Division titles.
The Dodgers pick in the bottom of the Draft every year.
The Dodgers still have rookie of the year candidates many years.
The Yankees just don’t draft as well as the Dodgers, the Rays and others.
jopeness
and unlike many other markets, George’s winning expectation still, albeit less ingrained, did/do not allow them to tank, as Boston did in 14,15 and 2020 or sell off like Loria did with the Marlins.
jopeness
well put along with the replies. In addition the teams of the 2000s, never gave Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Vernon Wells etc. their contracts. Yankees always bailed them out. I was super passed when the Dodgers bailed Boston out with the Adrian, Crawford and Beckett trade.
slider32
The Dodgers are the new Yankees, they have the most money in TV revenue which drives the new game. They have unlimited resources to win. All though you are right they have drafted better than most teams, they have traded for the players to put them over the top. Betts and Freidman as of late along with Turner and Scherzer.
stymeedone
@robm
Those are just the ones NYY signed. Do you really believe they are 100% successful? That no FA declines their offer? That no other team has out bid them?
Wrian Washman
It’s important to take into account the quality of competition when you make these statements. While it’s true the Yankees are not known for their ability to scout and develop, the AL East has been the best division in baseball by far since 2010. Meanwhile the Dodgers only had to hold off the Giants from 10-15, faced no competition whatsoever from like 16-19 and are just now barely sweating the Padres from 20 to present day. That is not a “poor excuse” as to why the Dodgers have won more division titles than the Yankees this last decade.
kingbum
The new Yankees is the New York Mets. Steve Cohen is the richest owner in baseball and it’s not close. Spending efficiently means more to him than the luxury tax, meaning if he’s going to spend money it will be on top end talent like Soto and wants to surround his stars with valuable contributors from the minors.
BeforeMcCourt
Take competition into account? You mean like how the dodgers win 106 games last year and were in 2nd?
dandan
1. The Giants won the West last year. Prior to that it was like 9 straight for LA.
2. As much as I hate to admit it, the Dodgers very well might have the best amateur scouting department and developmental system in the big leagues.
They’ve consistently produced top end, young talent and haven’t had a first round pick in the top 10 in who knows how long.
Wrian Washman
Yes and where are the Giants now? Just to be clear I don’t want to take anything away from the Dodgers I was merely suggesting sportsfan take that into account when comparing the Yankees and Dodgers. The AL East is and has been for a while the toughest division in baseball. Our 5th place Orioles would put up a fight against the 2nd and 3rd place Padres and Giants.
BlueSkies_LA
By what measurement has the ALE been the toughest division in baseball for years?
Wrian Washman
Where do you wanna start? I was under the impression that this was actually common knowledge. But just to satisfy your curiosity google any metric. A good one would be to compare the amount of GB from a wildcard AL East teams finish compared to the NL West. While the Dbacks and Rockies are consistently bottom feeding the Yankees, Sox, Rays have always had a power struggle. Even the Jays had their turn to to win the division with Bautista, Encarnacion, JD etc and the Orioles were good when Chris Davis first signed his extension when they were under Buck Scho. How many times has SD, Colorado, or Arizona won their division since 2010? Let me guess it’s been all LA and SF for a decade?
BlueSkies_LA
No, it’s a common assumption, made mostly by fans of the teams in that division. That’s a totally different thing where I come from. Instead of cooking up complicated ways of cherry-picking data or developing non-objective narratives to lead to a predetermined conclusion, try simply looking at games won. In 2021, the top three divisions in order were ALE, NLW, ALW. In 2020, it was NLW, ALC, ALE. In 2019, ALW, NLE, NLW.
And so on.
Mystery Team
Jealous fans just love including the Yankees in everything even if the narrative is false. It makes them feel better about their crappy teams that do nothing year after year. The Yankees haven’t operated that way in years with the exception of Taillon and unfortunately Gallo. I agree Cashman for the most part loves to hold on to prospects until they wither and die on the vine.
RobM
Taillon-type deals are fine. That’s the type of deal they should be looking to make. Don’t hold every prospect, because when you do, you get hit with 40-man and Rule 5 roster restrictions, and you lose players like Whitlock. That’s a rarity, but it’s a reminder that you have to cash in your prospects at some point. This is very different than what George used to do. Cashman will trade decent (but not great) prospects for a starting pitcher if he can get a couple seasons out of him. That’s Taillon. He will hold higher-end prospects and ones who can help in the near term. In the end, they are there to either directly help the team, like Judge, Severino, Montgomery, Cortes, or indirectly by being used as trade material.
SocoComfort
The reason why the Yanks haven’t operated like that in years is because of the transition between George to Hal Steinbrenner. George would be spending more on big name talent
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
Yeah, Rizzo, LeMahieu, IKF, Donaldson, Gallo, Hicks, Taillon, Cole, Champan… So like only the hardest throwing reliever in the history of the game, a couple ex-MVPs, an ex-strikeout champ with five top 5 Cy Young finishes including two runner-ups. Yup the Yankees definitely have no advantage in talent acquisition!
Either way, Boras will never let Soto sign with thw Yankees, Dodgers, Mets, Boston, or Angels. He always aims his biggest fish at random destinations. A-Rod, Semien, Seager all were pointed toward Texas. Baez to Detroit, Kikuchi to Seattle and then Toronto. He puts the biggest targets in the most unlikely places, so he has more options for his other talent. He knows the Yankees will throw money at the 2nd or 3rd best free agents if they miss on the first. Other teams won’t, they’ll do what Seattle did in 2021-2022 Free Agency and just stop spending.
Unless the player puts their foot down, he always convinces them to go where he can sell a team that normally wouldn’t buy a star. Seattle hates long-term deals and Soto is the one player besides Julio they might break their rule and do a 10+ year deal for because Dipoto realizes certain llayers are the exception to the rule. Like the Twins spending big on Correa, few other stars would’ve got them to the table for a big contract.
BaseballisLife
The Yankees had 4 homegrown players on the opening day roster. Compare that to 13 for the Blue Jays or 11 for the Dodgers.
Jean Matrac
Totally agree Joe. No one was more critical of the NYYs back in the George Steinbrenner’s days than I was. But this is a different Yankee team. Even though I root hard against them they are now a team that I can have respect for in how they operate.
Pedro 4 Delino
Cards, Rays, and Padres make a lot of trades and have been competitive from small markets. Some owners just want to make money and don’t care about winning regardless of market size.
Jonthunder
And they’ve made moves like this before.
Thank_God_Im_Not_Tim_Dierkes
You do realize San Diego is the 9th largest city in the United States and 2nd or 3rd biggest in the state of California behind L.A. and tied with San Jose! Not exactly small market. The Reds and the Brewers are all market teams, you just think of San Diego that way because for a long time their owners were cheap pieces of excrement.
hiflew
Size of the city and size of the market are two vastly different things.
BaseballisLife
Money in MLB comes largely from TV, not ticket sales, so it doesn’t matter how many people live in the city. What matters is the size of the TV market. San Diego is hemmed in by OC and the desert which limits their TV market. It is the 27th largest in the US. St Louis ranks 23rd. Tampa is actually the largest TV market of those 3 at #12.
When it comes to population, you go by the metropolitan area, not just the city itself. Many teams are not even in the city they are named after.
statista.com/statistics/183600/population-of-metro…
SportsFan0000
San Diego is the 8th largest City in the United States.
San Diego is the 2nd largest City in California, with 1.4 million in the City
and almost 3.3 million in San Diego County.
San Diego is larger and more populated than San Jose, San Francisco and Oakland.
BaseballisLife
Population is not the measure of market size that MLB uses. TV households is. Its how MLB teams and the league gets paid.
The San Francisco-Berkeley-Oakland metro area has a population of 4.6 million, 40% larger than the San Diego metro area.
abc123baseball
Cardinals are not a small market. Huge fan base stretched over a large chunk of the country. Before the Braves came to Atlanta they were the team of the south.
hiflew
Well the Braves have been in Atlanta for approximately 60 years now. To most people in the South, the Braves have been there their whole lives.
And the Reds had their fair share of Southern fans as well.
kingbum
San Diego is not a small market lol
BeforeMcCourt
This is to the Mike Piazza guy, I can’t reply directly but…
San Diego is not a small market. Get passed that lie. They have one of the biggest TV deals in baseball…
Holy Cow!
He muted you. Don’t feel bad. Samuel muted me. That’s a good thing.
Joe says...
Samuel muted all of us Yankees fans. Ironic that he keeps posting about what us Yankees fans are saying.
Animalize
@Donny(Baseball)Elementary: Ever hear of an unmute app or plugin?
Jean Matrac
I’m not a Yankee fan and Samuel muted me. I think he wants to post his opinion without anyone taking exception.
SteaknBeer
Samuel living rent free in Donny’s head
BaseballisLife
San Diego had the 18th largest TV deal in baseball out of 30 teams going into the 2021 season.
Several new ones in Miami, Colorado, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Cleveland have undoubtedly moved them at least a couple spots down that list.
San Diego is one of the smaller markets in baseball. Right now they are the only major sport in that area since the Chargers moved and they have not had an NBA team in decades, so sponsorship money for the Padres has got to be way up. .
SportsFan0000
The NBA Rockets and Clippers started in San Diego and greedy ownership moved those teams.
The Chargers started in the AFL in LA and moved to San Diego over 50 years ago then, recently moved to LA. because of greedy ownership and mismanagement of that NFL team.
BeforeMcCourt
According to fangraphs, they had the 12th largest as of mid 2020 at 20 years/1B. I’d be pretty surprised if 7 larger deals have been signed since…
With all the TV money going around, they are collecting well over 100M a year and probably closer to 200M
BaseballisLife
Wrong, but keep on believing that. Makes it easy who to know who to respond to in the future. And who to mute.
SportsFan0000
San Diego is a smaller to mid sized market.
San Diego has desert to the East, the Pacific Ocean to the West, the International border to the South and 2 MLB teams with protected territories
2 hours drive to the North: the Angels and the Dodgers.
FarhanFan22
People love muting this troll before McCourt. He can’t read your comment anyway. Plus city size doesn’t matter. SD operated like a small market team until the new owners.
Henry Silvestre
Xander and JDMart about to become available…Nats better move Soto soon Before contenders start adding OTHER bats ..
Samuel
Why?
Soto will very probably move in the offseason.
Are we going to have articles like this 3 times a week for the next 6 months?
It’s already gotten old.
Furthermore – no team is emptying out their farm system for a 2 year rental.
Samuel
“Furthermore – no team is emptying out their farm system for a 2 year rental.”
Whoops, one caveat……
If the White Sox had a farm system they would do it.
BeforeMcCourt
Clearly you weren’t around for Johan Santana or CC Sabathia days. You refreshed and there was a new article, a new rumor
This is child’s play. One article a day? Pish posh. If you’re already upset, don’t log on until Aug 3 and just check the deadline box score. No one here cares about your complaints to read them in every thread from now until then… and no one cares that you don’t like the rumor site posting rumors…
Samuel
Wow! “The Johan Santana or CC Sabathia days.”
Son……
I was around following MLB 20 years before you were born.
This trade deadline stuff has become nothing but a circus. These proposed trades – from both the media and the fans – are so far from reality that it’s no wonder: “the Nationals haven’t been impressed with the offers they’ve seen so far”.
I come here for the laughs. You take it seriously.
Brew’88
I come here for “pish posh”
Holy Cow!
Samuel comes here because his boyfriend left him for a younger man. He wants to take it out on us.
Captain Judge99
@DonnyElementary- and why do I feel so bad for Samuel’s boyfriend then?
BeforeMcCourt
I take it seriously compared to you? I come here to put people like you in their place with stupid, asinine takes… and complaints
You fall right in line
Animalize
@Donny: Not that there’s nothing wrong with that!
gmetwagner
I’m going to go to chic fil a and complain about all of the chicken
Captain Judge99
@BeforeMcCourt- are you getting all salty, and jealous of Samuel now, or of his boyfriend? It’s going to be alright, no worries.
Javia135
Calling another poster gay? Are you both uncultured AND 4 years old?
FarhanFan22
“I come here to put people like you in their place”
That’s why you’re muted and trying to respond still. Get a life
Captain Judge99
@Javia135- how’s it going with the Friars trying to get Soto? Good luck.
SteaknBeer
Donny and captain you too should get a room and make all the ugly stankee babies you’d like to. Samuel seems to be your daddy seeing as how much you talk about him
BeforeMcCourt
Literally one person has muted me. So few have done it, I didn’t know what it looked like. But yeah, people love to do it
You sound like I destroyed you in a previous conversation and you’re still a little tender, eh? I bet you were a padre fan last year and now a met fan this year? Ride those bandwagons!
You’re such a child that you reply like you’re this big guy, then you block me so you can try to look like a tough guy who got the last word. But didn’t realize I could still reply this to this comment. What a clown you are, metsfanina22
BaseballisLife
Why are you on a site that is about “TRADE RUMORS” if you don’t like reading about trade rumors?
If I was the GM of another team I sure would want to have Soto for 3 playoff runs instead of just two. That means the return for him will be substantially less in the offseason.
We are going to have articles like this every day until he is traded. So buckle up buttercup.
Animalize
@BaseballisLife: Good point, three playoff runs instead of two.
There sure are many differing opinions on when it’s the most lucrative time for DC to trade him.
stymeedone
A.team in contention is going to be less willing to include players from the Major League roster during the season. Adding Soto is great, but they won’t want to create a hole elsewhere. The Nationals want the best possible return, and that will likely be in the offseason, when the Yankees or who ever can trade a young starter who may currently be on the 25 and replace him with a depth FA before spring. This is entirely about what the Nationals want for him.
pohle
any contending team in on a bat is probably fully focused on soto. mets switched directions because they realized the nats would absolutely need to be bowled over by an offer that they would not be able match. but most front offices are probably spending their time putting chunks of prospects on the table hoping to get a deal done. soto is the prize, and teams will begin to bow out sooner or later but i see a slow hitters’ market right up until soto is either traded, or the nats will hold onto him and the last couple days before aug 2nd will be frenzied
Redwolves3
Ben Kasick, Locked On Giants said Soto’s value is the highest it will be. Now is prime time to trade Soto and get the biggest return. Teams wanting Soto will have him for 3 playoffs before he becomes free agent after 2024 season. If Washington waits until after 2022 season the player return will be less.
astros_fan_84
Absolutely. Plus, there’s the risk of injury. His peak value is now.
ARC 2
problem for Giants their best prospects are a long way off most are A ball prospects. The couple that are AAA players have had terrible years at the plate. So i doubt a trade happens between Giants and Nats.
VirginiaGiant
That’s why they’re called “prospects”. Everybody knows that nothing is a sure thing
Shrutefarm
Unless the Giants are willing to include Logan Webb in the deal which I think would be a bad idea.
BaseballisLife
The Nationals are a long way off from contending. They have a dozen FA, so there will be even more holes in that lineup come the offseason. It will be 2025 before they have any chance at getting back in the playoffs.
Jean Matrac
Three playoffs if the team makes the playoffs all three years,
LordD99
If the Nats ownership is selling, there is no way they are trading Soto until that’s resolved.
RobM
I wouldn’t say “no way,” but I mostly agree with your sentiment. If I’m a billionaire (sadly, I’m not) and about to buy a team for $2 billion or more, I want to have a say in if my generational talent who I can hold for the next 18 years is playing for me or not, and I likely wouldn’t want him playing for one of the competitors in my division. It makes little sense for the Nats to rush and trade a property that the current ownership won’t be responsible for. Worse, if you’re Rizzo, good luck explaining to the new ownership group why you traded away Soto and perhaps attached Corbin and reduced the return before the new ownership showed up to have their say. Sure, he can say the former ownership forced him, but that gets back to the question of why the former ownership would do that since they won’t be responsible for paying Soto. As for having Corbin on the books, that will have zero impact on the valuation of the deal.
If the Nats are truly up for sale, the decision to trade or pay to keep Soto should be made by the incoming group.
I don’t see Soto being traded. Rizzo is likely on a fact-finding mission to gauge market value so he can react when the new ownership arrives.
Pinfelnews
Current ownership makes key decisions when time is of the essence. Soto does not like the current ownership. Prospective buyers don’t get to take control and current ownership of any business won’t wisely yield to hypothetical buyers
pohle
i also see the ownership situation as sticky. the team is quite barren now, but two years and deep pockets of a new owner could change soto’s mind. theres always a chance they take the absolute ransom it would cost to acquire him, but i really think it would take value that not many teams would be willing to give up, and the front office would still be able to get a boatload of prospects if they wait
Pinfelnews
What do you mean? They are deep in negotiations and both the Yankees and Nats have countered? Do you think they are making up these stories?
dclivejazz
The Lerners are unpredictable when it comes to big decisions. Unless they’re deep in conversations with a likely buyer who has a preference, they’ll do whatever they want, whether or not it’s best for the team. Squelching Rizzo’s deadline deal for Harper was just one example.
BaseballisLife
I would say its just the opposite. Soto is leaving Washington no matter who the owner is because with or without him that team is going to be very bad for another 2 or 3 seasons at a minimum.
As a new owner would you want to take the PR hit of moving a generational talent like Soto? I would make the Lerners moving him a condition of the purchase. Then I could come in as the savior as I rebuild the team.
Animalize
@BaseballisLife: Another great point.
slider32
If that were the case then way say you are shopping him. I think Lerner’s are smarter than that. They are working with their potential buyer to move Soto. This way if they move him for prospects it is not on the new owner!
Jean Matrac
LordD99:
I totally disagree. Soto, right now is an unresolved issue. That’s a problem for any potential buyer. Soto needs to be traded, or extended, before anyone is going to spend billions.
Crazies in Camden
He ends up on the Mets either before the deadline or in the off-season. Talk about dumb money, Mets will take on both Strasburg and Corbin to land Soto.
Astros2017&22Champs
Noone is taking Strasburg bro. He’s the worst contract in sports. 35 million a year until 2027. He’s pitched 30 innings while pocketing over 100 million so far. Hes a sunk cost
Jonthunder
Do you guys ever read all the articles or look at all the inter-division trades that don’t happen?
You think Washington wants to see Soto help the Mets block them from getting to the playoffs for 1,620+ games?
Then, you have the super young Braves core, the “stupid money” Phillies, and the pitching all-star Marlins…
Who wants to buy ~years of 4th/5th place finishes?
Astros2017&22Champs
If the yankees want soto its going to take both jasson dominguez and anthony volpe plus more. And absorbing Patrick corbins contract. George Steinbrenner would make this deal happen today. Hal not so much
Jonthunder
I strongly disagree with that, because they have one of the best farms in the game and can eat several contracts to accrue more prospects and diminish prospect cost.
They can absorb Chapman, Gallo, Hicks, and Taillon for prospects hauls, to make deals.
Might as well do those, call up Schmidt, Sears, Florial, and Weber.
SteaknBeer
Trash doesn’t get you you one of the top players in mlb. Gallo and hicks have basically no value at this point. Chapman does but why would they want a reliever back as the main piece? Sorry stankees gonna cost a lot more than that
Jonthunder
I’m not talking about trading them for Soto, rather trading them to other teams and eating their contracts, for prospects to facilitate deals.
Washington might only want Hicks, but they don’t have any interest in the other guys.
tbonenats
They do have one of the best farms in the game but a lot of their farm value is tied to Volpe, Peraza and Dominguez. Lots of their top 10 is 23-25 year old pitchers and none with tons of upside, solid starter types but no frontline potential. I think it will take Volpe and Dominguez + more if they want Soto now.
SportsFan0000
The Yankees farm system is vastly over rated by all the NY media hype.
Floral was the next superstar stud who is now the Yankees #30 prospect.
Many of their prospects are hyped like future Hall of Famers and very few, if any, live up to the media hype and their local billing as future stars.
Jonthunder
They have a top 10 farm, ranked by prospect evaluators.
It’s comical that people think the fans somehow influence those rankings.
stroh
It is hyped up by the east coast media. Besides Judge, who have they brought up in the last 7 years that has turned into an All-Star?
slider32
I have a lot of trades and the major ones all have hype. One example is the Mets and Lindor. Cleveland got some good players for him who are playing well. Most times a good trade is one which both teams win. The Lindor trade has helped Cleveland rebuild quickly and stay as contenders.
stymeedone
The editors/prospect evaluators sell their lists to the fans, not the teams. That’s why big market teams get their prospects hyped. It sells to the largest audiences.
Captain Judge99
@SportsFan0000- ok, just as long as your sure.
tbonenats
Just because Florian was top 50 at some point doesn’t mean he got overrated because he was in the Yankees system. Toolsy guys get overrated all the time because their ceiling is so high if it all clicks. As a Nats fan just look at Robles, at one point he was more untouchable and a better bet than Soto.
Jean Matrac
NYY’s farm is not overrated. Fangraphs has Volpe with a FV of 60, and the next 4 guys with a FV of 50.
thunderecho
Yankees have solid depth up and down their system. GM Cashman certainly has the assets to acquire any player on the market (understatement).
That being said, whoever wants OF Soto will end up paying one of the steepest prices of any trade completed in MLB history.
GM Rizzo is right to want at least 5+ major league ready players in return. Soto is a generational talent.
bigfatandugly
the corbin contract muddies the water on the return for soto.
he wants 5 but he’s not getting 5 if the other team has to assume 55M/2
i think people will be surprised how light the return for soto is if that 55M needs to be assumed. i wouldn’t hesitate to say it impacts the return by 1/4
pinstripeblue
As much as I like to see the Yankees get Soto the priority for this season is to acquire more pitching. Their offense, though as frustratingly inconsistent as it is, still has enough firepower to win. What separates them from the Astros is good starting pitching. Yankees starters for the first couple of months were as good as any but they’ve scuffled lately perhaps due to innings. They can also use some fresh bullpen help as well now the King is out for the season and Chapman remains ineffective.
Jonthunder
Soto and Castillo should be the moves, eating as MANY contracts to diminish the deal costs and accruing as much prospects for trade as possible.
Go all-in.
BaseballisLife
What am I missing. Yankees have 3rd best pitching staff in baseball. Only the Dodgers and Astros are better right now. Why is it a priority to acquire pitching?
SportsFan0000
Yankees pitching is wobblily.
One of their best bullpen arms just went down for the season.
Severino has come off many injuries.
Fear in NY is that the rotation could break down over a long season and in the playoffs.
Jonthunder
Severino really can’t go back into the rotation.
Taillon is flagging and exceeded his innings cap.
Nestor is already at an innings high.
Help is warranted.
SteaknBeer
Because the Yankees got beatdown this year by the Astros, including being no hit by them. They can’t compete with the top tier teams so it’s panic time gotta make MOVES!!!
dshires4
Normally I would agree that they’re gauging the market, setting themselves up for an off-season deal, but I really think all bridges have been burned in that relationship. Any team that is considering Soto knows the value of having him for three playoff runs is immense. Personally, I think he’s dealt.
Come on Dipoto…
PitcherMeRolling
If they’re selling, why do the Lerners care if Soto is in the NL East? If they think it would affect the amount they could get for selling the franchise, sure. But, I would think new owners would care more about not being the ‘bad guys’ who traded Soto more. Guess we’ll see.
Samuel
B I N G O
Unless there is a buyer lined up that has given them instructions, the Nationals will simply try to get the best deal.
Additionally, Corbin’s salary is an outstanding debt. It’ll be another item negotiated into the selling price like everything else if they don’t trade him.
Rule #1 about following professionals sports – sports reporters have no clue whatsoever about finances. One makes a statement and like everything else the American media cover, if it sounds good the sheep publish / say the same words and present them as factual.
Animalize
@Samuel: Well said. Sports journalists are imbeciles, and the stories that they report are almost always just as fake as the “news” that the regular media is always reporting. Almost literally everything today is fabrication and propaganda.
Jonthunder
Because who wants to buy a decade of 4th/5th place finishes?
cardsfanboy
Walker/Carlson/Liberatore package gets it’s done
Jonthunder
Cards seem like a really likely destination.
tbonenats
They might have to add Winn or Baez, but I think what you laid out is close!
eatonculo
Hopefully, the Cardinals aren’t that stupid. Let some other team decimate their farm system.
jackjohnson52183
What Package Will It Take,To Get Juan Soto In Pinstripes,Before The Trade Deadline.Comes To A Close?
CravenMoorehead
Obviously Andujar would be the centerpiece of that trade in the minds of individuals who enjoy abusing alcohol
In reality if the Yankees aren’t willing to include 2 of their top 3 prospects in a trade (as a starting point) the Nats won’t even listen.
tbonenats
If they want him for this post season run and the next two, I think it will take Volpe, Dominguez, Waldichuk, Arias, Selvige.
If they want to keep Volpe then I think they have to hope no one makes a godfather offer and they can do Peraza and Dominguez in the off-season
Jonthunder
Mets fans, everything is exactly as everyone has been saying about the division rival reluctance.
Seems like Cards, Yanks, Padres, and Rangers are most likely. I wouldn’t count Boston out, but they JUST rebuilt their farm.
tbonenats
I don’t see the Red Sox as a viable option. If they won’t pay Devers then why would they gut the farm for Soto. They seem adverse to huge long-term deals right now. If the Sox had better pitching I’d say they would maybe trade for Soto to make another run but they aren’t close imo.
Jonthunder
Agreed.
redsox for_life
Bradley, Franchy and Dalbec for Soto
Darryl Rose
Hahahahaha.
Bradley is 32 and washed up.
Dalbec 27 and terrible
And what’s a franchy??
It will take top level prospects for sure to get him. They aren’t interested in red sox dumpster diving.
Jonthunder
In his defense, my fellow Yankees fans have been screaming about Frazier and Andujar forever lol.
Samuel
You’re a Yankee fan?
Ah, that explains your posts.
Jonthunder
You hate the Yankees.
That explains your posts.
intotheblack
Samuel, you’re such a tired old wet napkin. Seriously brother, just find a new website to post on. Booooring.
BaseballisLife
JonThunder, Excessive alcohol consumption would explain his posts too.
Jonthunder
Easy there lol.
Captain Judge99
@Jonthunder- hey be careful or Samuel might mute you, and do you a big favor by doing so.
hiflew
Throw in an old Dewey Evans glove and an aurtographed Jim Rice jock strap and you got a deal.
Bruin1012
He isn’t getting traded until the off-season when just about every team will be in on him unless some team just blows them away.
I also don’t think they want to trade him if they are planning on selling let the new ownership decide.
BaseballisLife
The difference in the return would be big if they wait. Acquiring Soto now means a teams gets him for 3 playoff runs. In the offseason it will be just two.
Deleted Userr
PF! Hi!
Darryl Rose
If i was the Yankees GM I would trade Dominguez, Peraza, and several other high level prospects not named Volpe.
He will be the judge replacement when he leaves.
And i know it’s fun to play GM when it’s not your money. 🙂
Bruin1012
You aren’t getting him without Volpe imo. You have to Romberg it’s not just the Yankees who want this guy. A lot of teams would easily outbid the Yankees if Volpe wasn’t involved. In fact, even if Volpe was involved there are still teams out there that could outcompete the Yankees for Soto with prospects if they so desire.
Darryl Rose
That’s probably true.
And given his age you have to be prepared to trade until it hurts.
But I would also be more inclined to make the trade with Volpe added if he also signed a long term contract.
But I acknowledge no one has yet asked me to be the Yankees GM. 🙂
yanks2323
Give them Volpe, Dom, Peraza, Waldachuk and another top 10, eat Corbin’s contract hoping that Blake can straighten him out, say you have to take back Donaldson, Gallo and Hicks.
stymeedone
@Bruin
I sincerely doubt that. The Nationals offer, which was turned down by Soto, effectively removed 20+ of the teams from even considering this acquisition. Remove all rebuilding teams. Remove all small market teams. Remove most teams(except the Mets) that are up against the CBT. Remove any team that doesn’t have the MLB near ready prospects required. Remove any team that has never shown an inclination to spend $30mm per long term on a player. Not a whole lot of teams left. Of those, they have to be willing to give up at least 2 of their top 3 prospects, and are risking that if they acquire Soto, he won’t sign with them. His value may never be higher, but it may have to come down for any team to risk a trade for him.
acmeants
Keep Judge. He’s more valuable.
BaseballisLife
It has been a stressful morning and I really needed that comedy bit AC. So thanks for a good laugh.
Mlbfan78
What do the Nats want here? I mean really? If you trade Soto on his own you get a kings ransom for him, if you try to attach Corbin and his money with him, the return won’t be as high, and do they really want or are they able to trade Soto? Or does any upcoming owner want to keep him and maybe pay the man with a real long term contract without the usual Nats deferrals or backloaded ways that they usually frame their contracts.
stymeedone
Adding Corbin might be the only way of getting full value as it unlikely any team is willing to give up that level/number of quality prospects.
astros_fan_84
I hope Soto moves. No reason for him to be the next Trout.
Animalize
@astros_fan: Maybe you’ve repressed the following factoid, but Han Soto has a ring.
Rick Wilkins
Whatever Jon Heyman reports, you can take to the bank that it will not happen. There has never been a worse “news breaker” in sports. While no way to prove, I 100 percent believe that his “sources” are often nonexistent.
Jonthunder
Martino said the same about the Yankees getting him, but Cashman generally has no leaks.
Animalize
@Roy: You’re probably right. Non-sports “news”, reported and presented by…”journalists”…is utterly saturated with totally-fabricated sources and quotes.
Pedro 4 Delino
Soto has a more limited market than people realize. Especially with Corbin’s contract attached to him. He’s a generational talent but also plays a position with lots of available options. Some teams simply can’t afford the prospect cost while others can’t afford to pay $40-$50 million a year for 2 players, one of them being a washed up pitcher. Dealing with Boras is another aspect that I’m sure some teams like to avoid.
BlueSkies_LA
Soto is one of the Nationals’ best assets, but that’s on the baseball side of the ledger. On the expense side of the balance sheet he’s also one of their largest liabilities. The Lerners might find a buyer who wants to pour a lot of money into the team right from the start (as happened with the Dodgers) and build around Soto, but just as likely they will want to start from teardown mode with a clean slate and a new FO.
rememberthecoop
They have a couple of players making more money that Soto does. Players that nobody wants. Given the obvious fact that they could offload Soto’s salary any time they want, and very easily (ignoring trade values for a second), is it really a liability at all?
BaseballisLife
Would you want to be the owner that traded Soto? The PR hit will be huge and bad no matter who it is.
I would make the Lerner’s trading him a condition of buying the team so I could come in as the conquering hero that was going to rebuild baseball in DC.
BlueSkies_LA
Hence, “one of their largest.” Yes they could (and might) trade him, but he’s an expense unless and until they do. He’s also an unrealized asset unless and until they trade him for the return they’d receive back in cheap controllable players, and that return is highly unlikely to increase the longer they wait.
Nothing
The problem with trading for a player as good as Soto is that you end up having to give up so much, it guts your team to the point where Soto cannot offset the loss. I still feel that some teams should sell the farm and go all in though, because you have to at some point before the window closes. Blue Jays for example, have about a 3-4 year window. Trade Moreno, Martinez, Tiedemann and Bichette/Hernandez for Soto and commit to winning a title in the next 3 years.
Jonthunder
Losing Bo opens an expensive hole; they don’t want to end up with an IKF-type there.
Nothing
My idea is to move Espinal to shortstop and letting Biggio play 2nd every day. Espinal is a superior defender to Bo and Biggio is an OBP machine. Don’t feel like the drop off would be huge. Not sure if Santiago is open to that tho.
Jonthunder
Biggio played his way off the major league roster, so I’d be wary.
It’s a big gamble.
bigfatandugly
the idea of a trade like this is to make the entire roster stronger. you do it to sandwich soto in between bo and vlad in the line up.
you don’t weaken your roster in one place to make it stronger somewhere else.
you’re basically hoping to replace Bos production w biggio. Bos an all star in a down year who will continue to mature defensively. biggio has been a replacement level player his entire career and that is all he ever will be.
very bad idea.
norcalblue
Rizzo needs to get the best deal he can right now for Soto. All of the teams that can afford Soto (and have the prospects to get him) are showing interest now. Each of those teams is developing an offer based upon the understanding they will have control of Soto for 3 Septembers and Octobers. No one is going to pay more for this guy because they think they’ll have an inside track to signing him to an extension. That would be foolish. If Soto is not dealt now, 1/3 of his value to most, if not all, of these teams has been lost. As a consequence, Soto’s value is going to decline if Rizzo waits until the off-season or later to trade the guy. Rizzo is a smart guy, my gut tells me Soto gets dealt prior to the deadline.
thunderecho
3 teams are in the final mix for Soto. GM Rizzo has offers where additional discussions were warranted.
Dodgers are front runners.
Central Valley
Giants are out unless they include Logan Webb.
Giants fans are getting a little restless not having a young superstar type talent and also not seeing their ownership not spending money.
BaseballisLife
Don’t you think that if the Giants are taking on Corbin’s salary that Luciano and Matos and a decent mid level guy would be enough?
norcalblue
Yes, only way Giants have a chance at Soto is providing Nats a package that starts with Luciano, Harrison and likely includes Matos or Bednar. Webb has more value to the Giants than Nats. Soto’s value to Giants is in the next three year window. Nats are thinking beyond three years.
Central Valley
Can’t risk Soto getting injured, take the best offer now. His value is already as high as it’s going to be.
seamaholic 2
He’s a 23 year old outfielder on a bad team who can give him loads of time off if they’re working on a trade. His chances of getting hurt are less than mine in my beer league. He’s not a pitcher.
SteaknBeer
Even if the Yankees get him they still get beat by the Astros in the playoffs so why give up so much for him now instead of just trying to send a billion dollars his way when he’s a free agent. I’d love to see the evil empire make a horrible move so go get him stankees
SportsFan0000
Astros match up very well against the Yankees so there is no guarantees that the Yankees can beat the Astros in the playoffs/
SteaknBeer
Which is exactly what I was saying. I’d give the Yankees a 15% chance at this point and that’s with everything going perfect for them. They would have no room for error
stymeedone
Obviously,the Astros are the best team,and there is no point in any team trying to better themselves at this point. Stop the season now and present them with the trophy!
stroh
It seems that the east coast media was ready to present the trophy to the Yankees until the team that has been to the ALCS 5 straight years and the World Series 3 out of the last 5 years reminded them that the road still goes through Houston. Just saying.
RobM
I listened to Boras on the Sherman/Heyman podast this morning. I find it painful listening to Heyman, especially now that he seems to be losing his voice (what’s going on there?), but he’s balanced by Sherman who is one of the most knowledgeable and connected reporters in the business. Regardless, Boras himself basically said he doesn’t see his client being traded in the next couple weeks and that it doesn’t make sense for the Nats to move him until new ownership is in place.
Second, I’ve seen a few people mention that the Nats can get more by trading him now because the acquiring team will get three shots at the postseason with him on the roster. Yes, but you also have to balance that out with a likely expanded market to trade for Soto in the offseason. Here, the Nats are attempting a belly slide across a finish line. A more measured approach in the offseason could deliver a bigger return.. Sure, if some team blows the doors off on a deal it could happen now, but it’s much more likely to happen in the offseason.
Yankees21
Thank for posting this info RobM. If Boras doesn’t see a trade happening now then he is most likely correct – he certainly knows better how these matters work than any of us.
I did read The Athletic and NY Post articles and it seems like there are just too many variables in play right now for a deal to come together in the next 8-9 days.
I’m not sure why people keep saying Soto’s trade value is highest right now – the reality is that his trade value is whatever other teams are willing to trade for him. So far, the Nationals “haven’t been impressed” with the offers they’ve received. This makes sense, because teams in the middle of the pennant race have immediate needs to fill and may not want to unload the farm system right now for one player and not address other needs. To finish strong in 2022 a team like the Yankees priority should be pitching (especially after losing King last night), and then perhaps a complementary outfielder like Benetendi. It’s most likely the same for a lot of teams in the playoff hunt. I agree that a trade for Soto is more likely to happen in the off-season than now.
tbonenats
Agreed — if a too good to pass up offer materializes in the next 2 weeks then do it. Otherwise just let the next owners figure it out.
BaseballisLife
Maybe I was listening to a different interview, because that is literally the opposite of what Boras has said. He said that it would “dilute the value of the trade for Washington” if Soto is not traded in the next few weeks. That it doesn’t make sense for a new ownership group to step in and then trade Soto.
The same teams that will be in the market for Soto now will be in the market for him in the offseason. If anything there will be fewer teams in the offseason, because there is no urgency then. No one else is jumping into the Soto market in November that isn’t there now.
A deep playoff run is worth north of $100 million per season. There is not a team in baseball that would not pay more for 3 playoff runs with Soto in their lineup than for 2 seasons.
SportsFan0000
Boras is throwing out his wishes and not that of the Nats and teams that want Soto for this years playoffs runs.
Like many, sometimes he is right, sometimes he is wrong.
The Nats will do what is best for the Nats and not what is best for Soto or Boras.
Coach JG
Cardinals now rumored on a package for Trout and Syndaguard. Leverage against Washington media release? As a Cardinal fan definitely think something big will happen at deadline for the Cardinals.
RobM
Ahh, good, so the Cardinals can get Trout’s decline years as payback for the Angels getting Pujols’ decline years!
seamaholic 2
This. Trout is the best player in the universe but I’m not selling the farm to buy him now. There are some serious warning signs, not in performance but in health. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the Angels try though, and build around Ohtani, who is FAR more marketable.
SportsFan0000
Trout is not going anywhere.
TheGr8One
Brash Hancock Kelenic and Marte and some A ball kids gets Soto to the Mariners. Unfortunately they won’t do it because in the next 3-4 years that would cost a billion dollars (literally) to lock up Soto and J-Rod. Would be a fun OF with Kyle Lewis as well but alas just a dream.
Slothcliff Hokum
I sure won’t complain if the M’s get Soto, although I’d rather see them acquire Luis Castillo from the Reds. He shouldn’t cost nearly as much as Soto, and although Seattle has been very fortunate with health in the rotation, they’re trying to manage Kirby’s innings, and Gilbert hasn’t been particularly great lately… maybe getting tired? Seems they may want to add some reinforcement.
Jdt8312
Soto isn’t going anywhere. No one is going to be able to give the Nats enough to get him.
gorav114
Normally I’d agree but in this case the Lerners can wipe 25 million from the books next year (55 million if they can get rid of Corbin in the deal) and be gone before the return gets scrutinized
Jdt8312
If they are leaving, why would they care about scrutiny? What they are about is value of the franchise, and if they fill their upper system with good players, they can convince a potential buyer that the team will be competitive soon. What value are they getting from a straight salary dump? What value are they going to get for Soto if a team is taking that much back in virtually wasted money? No one is doing that. A team is going to trade for Soto to help them win now. I’d agree with you if this were the winter meetings, but no one wants an albatross at the trade deadline.
SportsFan0000
Soto is as good as gone.
Nats are selling the team.
The team’s books will be put in order to get the best price.
Soto’s and Corbin’s contracts will be jettisoned to get a better price for the team.
seamaholic 2
He is but not at the deadline. This off-season, when draftees from this past year are available, he’s good as gone.
Samuel
What the Nationals are finding out is what Carlos Correa and his (former) agents learned this past offseason……
There is a limit to how much franchises will pay one playr and for how long.
Heck, this whole thing started because Boras and Soto refueled $440m over a period of years.
The future will be what Correa got: A 3 year contract with opt outs.
No one is giving out 8-12 year contracts with the late years around $50m. They guy s=gets hurt and the team will be dragged down financially from doing anything….including keeping their own good players.
seamaholic 2
The difference is Soto is 23. You don’t sign 12 year contracts for 28 year olds. You sure as heck do for 23 year olds.
Samuel
Not anymore – unless the owner / FO head are desperate and don’t plan on being their through the contract.
gorav114
If I’m GM offering a huge haul for Soto that gets rejected I first take that offer to Anaheim to see if it’s enough for Ohtani before I add anymore.
jimbo121757
If the Yankees get Soto, the writing is on the wall. The Yankees will not be able to keep both, Soto and Judge. If I was the Mets I would trade for Soto, but if the Nats want to include Corbin then I would not include Alvarez in the trade.
Jdt8312
The Yankees don’t have enough in their system to get Soto.
Jonthunder
Yes, they do.
seamaholic 2
Easily. Yanks system is top heavy but that’s exactly what the Nats want presumably. The thing the Yankees don’t have is young cheap good major leaguers. They’d probably have to throw in Nestor.
rememberthecoop
There’s no question that if the Nats insist on adding Corbin to any deal, then there will be less prospect capital coming back their way.
slider32
Yanks will have 0ver 100 million to spend next year without going over the cap. They could sign Judge, and still be 40 million under the cap.
BaseballisLife
The Judge deal is the next Pujols contract. As soon as its signed he will begin to decline.
seamaholic 2
Nats already have an elite catching prospect, whom they got from the Dodgers in the Trea/Max trade. They won’t be after Alvarez.
seamaholic 2
Why can’t the Yankees afford Judge and Soto? Easy squeezy. They could have the highest paid player at every single position and still make a healthy profit.
brucenewton
Nats will want elite prospects plus top major league young talent. Yanks won’t part with the former and don’t have the latter.
Bobby smac9
If the Nats wait until the off season, this year’s draftees will become tradable. That most certainly would be more attractive as an overall potential package. It’s not as though Soto is a pending free agent. They don’t have to force a trade. The one thing they may be looking for however, is players that are near major league ready. We’ll just have to wait and see. My guess concerning their statement that they want to trade him by the deadline was posturing on their part to get Boras to make some concession and determine Soto’s willingness to remain in their organization. Non movement on that sentiment will tell them all they need to know.
rememberthecoop
Shh, TC, stop writing things like the new owners would want to have Soto on the the roster… because I want him on MY favorite team’s roster instead! Quit giving them ideas – we all know that front offices look to MLBTR for trade guidance.
rememberthecoop
I’m making a statement and you can take it downtown and PRINT IT! (silly Lee Elia tirade reference) … Soto will NOT be moved prior to the deadline. As some are pointing out, there just isn’t enough time and again, there is uncertainty over what the new owners would want – mainly because nobody knows who the new owners will be.
But wherever he ends up, when he does sign – as a FA or via an extension in the offseason – he will top the 500MM mark. I’ll say 13 years, 520MM. Book it, Dano!
acmeants
Way too much. Teams would be absolutely nuts to offer anyone a contract like that. The end is pitiful. Can you say Albert?
SportsFan0000
Cabrera’s contract was outrageous and still drags down the Tigers.
seamaholic 2
Miggy signed his contract with the Tigers at age 32. Soto is 23.
seamaholic 2
The total amount is that high because of the years not the annual cost. Soto is 23. So you pay him for at least 12 if not 15 years. That’s how you get to $450m or whatever it is. A guy who can deliver 6 fWAR a year or more (he’ did 7 at age 21 …. literally years from his prime still) is easily worth $35m a year. In fact that’s a bargain. Do the math from there.
flamingbagofpoop
Yeah…or less. Like this year, where he’s on pace for ~4fWAR/600 PAs. I don’t think he’s this sure bet 6 win type of player that a lot of people hold him up as.
stymeedone
I sincerely doubt any perspective buyer will back out of the sale if Soto is not there.
TheOpener
Trade juan soto for anything- just get rid of the overrated S.O.B. Addition by subtraction.
rememberthecoop
And get off your lawn!
Animalize
@Coop: Stop being an Ageist bigot.
acmeants
He does have a big head.
Braveslifer
Acuna- 8 years for $100M
I take Acuna every day.
When I think of Soto, I think of Harper and his propensity to be injured. Will Soto suffer the same chance of injuries as Harper and Acuna?
flamingbagofpoop
no…he’s an awful defender, so he’ll probably spend more time @ DH than those two, lowering his injury risk.
Terry B
I know a lot of Dodger fans thinking he’ll end up in LA ( I’m a Dodger fan) I say hogwash to that idea. Friedman to smart to get fleeced and part with half the Farm System and give out a 500 million dollar contract to someone the team really don’t need! Dodgers need rotation and bullpen help, they don’t need another bat!
Shrutefarm
Agree – I’m sure the Dodgers will make an offer that is comfortable to them. If the Nats take it, great. If they don’t, no harm done.
With the news update yesterday that if “everything went perfect”, Buehler would be ready mid-to-late September, I can much more realistically see the Dodgers make a push for Castillo than Soto TBH.
BaseballisLife
No team is trading for Soto with the thought that they must resign him to an extension to make the trade worthwhile. They are looking at it as 3 playoff runs with one of the top bats in baseball in their lineup.
The Dodgers have the best pitching staff in baseball. Pitching is not one of their needs.
The Dodgers have the 2nd best offensive team in baseball. Where they are not at the top is power. They need another power bat in their lineup.
Soto fits the bill.
You also have to figure that with their biggest competition in the NL West stepping in as favorites to win the Soto sweepstakes, that the Dodgers could step up and trade for him just to keep him off the Giants or Padres roster.
Deleted Userr
You’ve finally come around to the idea that teams trade for the amount of control a player objectively comes with and nothing more. Previously, you’ve always assumed that teams bake in some sort of expectation of an extension when they trade for a player.
seamaholic 2
Not true at all. That’s why the Braves sent so much value to the A’s for Olson. They knew they could and would extend him. In fact, if the selling team agrees, the acquiring team can literally talk to the guy and discuss numbers beforehand.
Deleted Userr
Absolutely it’s true. The prospects the Braves gave up were about fair value for 2 years of Olson on BTV. If you pay a premium because you think the player will sign an extension you just end up looking like the Padres with Justin Upton or the Cardinals with Jason Heyward.
And the Braves didn’t “know” they could or would do anything.
rememberthecoop
Hey I need everyone’s help – for a league I’m in. Ignoring the fact that they are on different teams, would it be an overpay (or not enough) to send Grayson Rodriguez, Anthony Volpe, Alek Thomas & Nico Hoerner to the Nats for Soto?
hiflew
Not knowing the league rules or parameters, who knows?
seamaholic 2
If they were on the same team then yes, that would probably be too much. And I think Juan Soto is in the same league as Ted Williams, he’s that good. But that is a combo of three top ten prospects plus Hoerner, who isn’t bad. That’s too much.
hiflew
Soto is in the same league as Ted Williams in that they both played in MLB. Otherwise Soto has a LONG way to go. Ted Williams had 5 CONSECUTIVE 9.0 or higher bWAR seasons. Juan Soto’s BEST year is 7,1. He’s a great young player, but let’s get real with the comps.
rememberthecoop
Thanks.
Jonthunder
The YES Network just reported that the Yankees are in on him, so that’s something.
SportsFan0000
The Yankees are reported “in” on every free agent and trade candidate until they are out.
seamaholic 2
Yes they are one of the few for whom it makes sense. But they won’t get him without Jasson. It’s put up or shut up time. Volpe might work as a headliner too but then you need to add a bunch.
SportsFan0000
The favorites to land Soto have to be the Dodgers, Giants, Padres etc…
The Cubs are too far away from contention even though Soto would be a great face of the Cubs franchise if he was willing to play there long term,
The Mariners would be very intriguing since they have opened a window of contention
and could make the playoffs this year.
The Yankees will not give up the top prospects required to land Soto.
The Nats will not take a Yankees package that does not include its very top prospects.
The Red Sox do not give out those types of contracts.
The Tigers under Mike Illitch would “go for it”.
Under his son Chris Ilitch, I don’t think so. Chris is too much like Hal Steinbrenner.
JimmyForum
As a friend of mine in congress noted while we were meeting with a couple tobacco lobbyists over a bowl at Bens Chili, Juan Soto is vastly overrated. He’s hit over 30 hrs only once. He’s never won a gold glove. He doesn’t steal. When he’s not being walked, he’s hitting into double plays.
SportsFan0000
If Soto keeps going at similar stats for the next 10+ years, then the kid is a Hall of Famer.
Congress, unfortunately, is vastly over rated and does not live up to its hype.
I think Soto is going to the West Coast and it could be by the trade deadline:
Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego
are all fits for Soto and those teams.
Mariners: Soto solidifies their playoffs run and plays 2 1/2 years or more there.
SF Soto is the next face of that franchise(they have the payroll space and prospects.
Los Angeles Soto and Betts in the OF.
Dodgers have the prospects, depth, and financials to extend Soto too.
Padres: Preller could be on the hot seat. Padres need more producing OFs.
Tatis Jr,, Machado and Soto in the middle of that order could land the Padres in the World Series at least once in Soto’s 2 1/2 years left on his contract deal.
And, the Padres could shock MLB by extending Soto.
Padres have the deep farm system and prospects to make a Soto deal.. Ownership is well financed.
Padres are built to “win now”.
Soto could help the Padres get past the Dodgers in the playoffs.
JimmyForum
The Hall of BS. . Unless and until MLB enshrines the greatest hitter of all time and the all time leader in home runs, it’s the hall of public relations. It means nothing.
I hope he does go west that way 3/4 of the country will be asleep when his goofy ass plays.
I’ve passed along your opinion of my congressional colleague. Prepare for your taxes to be raised and ask yourself if your internet snark was warranted while you’re writing the check.
Joe says...
MLB has nothing to do with who gets in the HOF. How do people still not know this?
Javia135
Some internet nobody is threatening to have taxes raised for the whole West Coast? I aM tErRiFiEd!
stymeedone
If Soto continues doing what he’s doing this year, he’s the next Adam Dunn. .240 ave., slow on the bases, bad in the field, walks, and hits HRs. How much do you want to pay in $ and prospects for a mostly DH?
Animalize
And put Soto in a great lineup and his obp drops 100 points.
DUDDUS
As a loser friend of mine said after reading your comment and pulling on of the biggest bong rips known to mankind said, “that guys is an idiot”
Anthony Forkush
Now that the MLB playoffs are more of a March Madness style tournament, it adds yet another wrinkle to the roulette that is October. The problem as I see it is that one cannot really ever fully understand or control baseball playoffs. It cannot be scripted or analytically deciphered as a regular season of 162 games can be. Rarely does the best team in major league baseball win out. One can prepare themselves as best they can but there are simply no guarantees at all and it’s almost a fool’s errand to assume a conversion from a regular season approach to the playoffs. There are simply too many unknown variables. Even in the case of dynasties, particularly the 20-aught-10 Giants, lightning in a bottle is more apprehensible than planning. Even the Braves of last year made peripheral changes around the edges with their offense which ultimately turned out to be the trump card. It’s not as propitious as one thinks. The Yankees have looked at, in Yankee years, a somewhat in terminable amount of time without a title. Front offices like the Padres in particular must be confounded at the continued lack of success in disproportion to their impact players acquired. unfortunately baseball has never figured out a proper playoff format that rewards best team. They did when there were two divisions and two playoffs leading to the pennant and WS. Teams virtually never repeat as champions, and it’s only going to get more owner is going forward.
Central Valley
Giants ownership breathing down Farhan’s neck for a young superstar? Take on Corbin’s contract?
Central Valley
I hear Kyle Harrison is a absolute stud.
norcalblue
Rizzo can posture, pound the table and demand all he wants.
The value of his top asset declines significantly to the teams that want him (and can afford him) the day after the trade deadline. Notwithstanding what Rizzo says, each of these teams will make an offer that reflects what they believe Soto is worth for three postseason runs. They understand and Rizzo understands that those offers are taken off the table after the deadline because Soto’s value declines immediately once the trade deadline expires.
jessaumodesto
I’d tell them to go F themselves and watch him leave for nothing in free agency. The Nationals hold now power in this situation
Noel1982
Reading all the low ball proposals from fans of esp big market teams leads me as a non Nats fans to definitely believe nats have 100 of the leverage and not a single team has any leverage on them! They will get a all time haul I guarantee if they trade him by this deadline to the point the fans of the teams who wanted Soto but didn’t get him will do the whole glad we didn’t pay that price bit !
Ps no dom smith jd davis and a couple sold prospects that aren’t top 5 aren’t gonna get it done lol
Noel1982
Like factually and not option !the return for Soto will be double then a little bit more for what the dodgers paid for half a year of mad max and one in a half years of turner ! I might say triple but I say double plus’s a little more
Aoe3
Imaginea latino superteam with Juan surrounded by vlad, t.hernandez, berrios, garcia, kirk, espinal, gurriel, bichette, and tapia. Maybe Torontos ‘best’ prospects 2-3yrs away. Have good farm to make up for short-med term loss. Management is known to overpay on shorter commitments.
SalaryCapMyth
Sure is a lot of digital ink being sprayed all over Rizzo for some of the language being used. “at this point…it isn’t really a negotiation.” and “The Nationals are saying ‘either you express a willingness to meet our price, or we just go to the next club,’ ” Rosenthal said.
What else does everyone expect Rizzo to do? Soto is being tabbed as the second coming of Ted Williams. Some analysts say he has the best bat in baseball. Soto’s value on a statistical level is monstrous. Rizzo may never get all that value back but he has to get as much as he can. It can’t be nice being the general manager that traded Soto.
bigdaddyhacks
I’m starting to doubt that he gets dealt.
stan lee the manly
I find it very hard to believe any team is meeting that price. It’s not like he’s cheap, he’s going to be making 30 mil by the end of arb, no team is going to take both the cost of his contract and that big of a prospect/young player hit. Unless it turns into a creative three plus team trade
roob
In other words, he’s either going to the Dodgers or the Dodgers.
fox471 Dave
Pretty much.
Zico
Soto finished top 10 in WAR 1 time in 4 seasons so far (albeit only 2 full 600+ PA seasons), I get he’s great hitter compared to a lot of of peers, but best in baseball? Don’t see it.
His dWAR is negative every year. His oWAR makes up for it.
I can’t wait to see what franchise either massively overpays, or waits it out and gets him for fair value.
rocky7
Great comment!
Msteele
I see the hit tool. But regression coming to all other areas. Likely a DH. And highly overpriced one at that.
Jonthunder
If this is true, the Yankees better get him.
Harrison is TWENTY-FIFTH on MLB Pipeline, and Volpe is EIGHTH.
No. Excuses.
Redwolves3
Soto will not be a Giant. Zaidi will not actively pursue Soto. Boras will use Judge’s connection to San Francisco – both as a Giants fan growing up and during an interview Buster Posey’s jersey hanging in the background to get Judge extra $$$ and long term contract. In the end, Judge will not be a Giant either.
Brad Scott
@Redwolves3: To be fair, Zaidi (unsuccessfully) tried getting Ohtani & Harper, so it’s not as though he wouldn’t necessarily pursue a Soto or a Judge. I just don’t think they provide what the Giants need, especially for the ginormous kind of money they’ll command. That money could be used to help the team far more than than the addition of one star/superstar outfielder. In fact, almost any team that signs players like Soto & Judge is typically wasting a ton of dough. You don’t win WS titles by expensively adding proven top players, thinking they’ll put you over the top in anything except payroll. Some of the many recent examples include the Phillies with Harper & Realmuto, the Brewers with Yelich, the Angels with Ohtani & Rendon, the Padres with Machado, Hosmer, Snell, & Darvish, the Cards with Goldschmidt & Arenado, the BoSox with Story, the Jays with Springer, Chapman, & Gausman, the Twins with Correa … the list goes on. If you have a championship-caliber team, signing such players can be smart (see the Dodgers with Betts, Freeman, & Turner). But comparing other teams with the Dodgers doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, so theirs is not an appropriate model for other teams to try emulating.
Rsox
MLB Network had a hypothetical trade package from the Mariners which could actually make sense for the Nationals.
The Nationals would get:
George Kirby
Jarred Kelenic
Noelvi Marte
Harry Ford
Emerson Hancock
Juan Pinto
Gives the Nation what they are looking for as Marte, Ford, and Hancock are 3 of the Mariners top 4 prospects, and Pinto is their 25th ranked prospect. Kirby and Kelenic just graduated off the prospect list but still have all of their team control. The Mariners have their best young star since Alex Rodriguez in Julio Rodriguez and have not had a marketable name since Ichiro left, might be the best package the Nats could ask for
cwsOverhaul
“Ace” pitchers like Chris Sale had been is what gets the best return. 3yrs of cheap control on him (cheaper than Soto) got WSox 2 elite prospects at time in Moncada/Kopech + 2 meh prospects.
The notion of having to gut the farm of 4+ top notch guys is bogus. The return won’t be as crazy as hyped up unless 1 GM loses their mind to outbid way over precedent.
tbonenats
Imo that isn’t totally apples to apples. Sale had 3 years of control, but scouts had concerns about him holding up over that time. The Sox had also just given Moncada like $30m. So it’s kind of like they paid for Sale. Moncada was a consensus top 3 prospect and Kopech was top 20 on many lists. I don’t know that many deals being discussed right now have a top 5 and a top 20 prospect. The White Sox also traded Eaton for Giolito that season.
The Sox won the WS with Sale and the Nats won the WS with Eaton. The Sox have gotten more out of the Eaton trade vs the Sale trade.
I think asking for a team’s top 2-3 prospects and another 1-2 good prospects if a fair ask. I’m also a homer…so…lol
jvent
Hey, if the Nats consider Dom Smith, JD Davis, Blankenhorn and maybe Lee they can have them
But they’re not getting Alvarez, Baty, Vientos , Allan or Ziegler.
rememberthecoop
Then the Mets won’t get Soto. Doughtful they would move him within the division anyway, but especially not for that [package. Not even close buddy.
kwolf68
Not sure if post is serious
Stevie E. B.
Redsox can offer 10 players and NATS choose 5 players.
1. Triston Casas 1B age 22 or Marcelo Mayer SS age 19
2. Brayan Bello SP age 23 or Jay Groome SP age 23
3. Nick Yorke 2B age 20 or Miguel Bleis CF age 18
4. Bryan Mata SP age 23 or Josh Winckowski SP age 23
5. Cedanne Rafaela CF/SS age 21 or Eddison Paulino IF age 20
24TheKid
Good luck with that buddy.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Three pennant races with Soto is likely worth whatever the Giants have to give up to get him.
Andrew Baggerly recently noted that the Giants have almost always been a team with a superstar starting with Mays and all the stars of the 60’s-70’s to the Clarks, the Bonds’ and Buster.
There are only a handful of players in the world with Soto’s degree of star power.
Three pennant races.
If the Giants have to give up 5 of their best prospects plus a few major league ready guys like Villar, Gonzalez etc.. to get him. Do it.
Central Valley
Hard watching the Giants right now. The stark contrast, between the Dodgers and Giants is far and wide right now. The Dodgers are stacked from top to bottom with premier talent.
You’d think the Giants are a small market team…
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I remember in June/July 2014 when the Giants lost 18 out of 23 games.
No doubt the Dodgers are a better team, but anything can happen if you make it to the postseason.
The Braves proved it last year. The Giants proved it in 2014.
dale123
Keep a eye on rangers now a top 4 or 5 minor league system plus some young players right at ml level. The top players in minor league system all play the same general positions thus a glut at several positions.secondly rangers SIGN BORAS CLIENTS.
User 589131137
The Tribe can get this done….
ArchRivals
Keep Walker and Gorman.
Take 5 of anyone else. O’Neill, Carlson, Yepez, Donovan, Liberatore, Wynn, Burlson, Herrera, Hence, Graceffo, McGreevy, Oviedo, Walsh…
I don’t think anyone can match this group.
If Mo is willing, welcome to the STL Mr. Soto.
kwolf68
In ANY trade involving Soto no team is going to hold back their best two prospects and have the Nats pick over their leftovers. For Chris Sale the White Sox got the Red Sox best two prospects. For Soto it will be vastly more.
ChicagowhiteBalls
I wonder if the White Sox can make a big move. I think i would be ok with Eloy Jimenez or Vaughn maybe even both because they are so limited defensively, any top prospects being included. Idk if the white Sox would consider trading Giolito back to them probably not but I would be ok with that for Soto maybe they send Corbin back idk just saying. Sox have maybe the best offer out there. A young core of Robert, Soto, Anderson, Moncada, Cease and Kopech sounds amazing to me they can bring back Abreu for two more years and give Sheets more reps at First base
ChicagowhiteBalls
Vaughn, Montgomery, Colas, Crochet maybe Vera? for Soto and I wouldn’t even be mad if Jimenez was in the deal but someone has to be out or that might be a huge over pay. Maybe Vaughn, Jimenez, Montgomery, Crochet, Cespedes that’s a lot to give up tho. But who can compete with that offer
Elwood
He will look great in a Pirates Uniform.
Javia135
I hate to say this but it looks like the Dodgers can easily outbid any other contender for Soto. The Dodgers have 4 top 50 prospects and 2 in the 50-100 range. They can easily afford 2 of each and still have 2 top 50 prospects in their system. If they want Soto they can easily afford him. The only questions are does he fit their blueprint and do they want him that badly.
BlueSkies_LA
Or, if they have other more pressing needs, such as starting pitching. If they spent their best trade chips on Soto, what would they have left for, say, Luis Castillo? Then ask yourself which one is more important.
bigfatandugly
if the dodgers get soto i will stop watching baseball
Wrian Washman
Like watching Golden State all over again
Humm bumms
I can’t see his value being any higher than it is right now. Makes sense for the Giants to go all in and include Harrison if that’s necessary.
Michaelchavez22
Dodgers can afford to absorb Corbin AND Strasburg. After a season, wouldn’t be surprised if they can flip one if not both. Strasburg is long for the pen. Worth a gamble with Trea leaving and the Dodgers having a lot of money come off the books after this season.
BlueSkies_LA
Money coming off the books is a pretty meaningless concept when that money has to go right back on the books to replace the players coming off the books.
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Given the state of the imploding Yankee pitching staff, I can easily imagine Cashman making a desperation move to acquire Soto to make a run at a World Series, probably in futility. But I find it harder to imagine Hal paying to keep Soto, with the Stanton, Cole, Hicks, and LeMahieu contracts on the books. George would’ve done it in a heartbeat, but Hal? I think not. I won’t be surprised if he lets Judge walk too.
nyy42
hicks contract? Lol
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After this year, the Yankees still owe Hicks $31,357,143. What’s so funny about that? $10M of that will go toward the luxury tax total for the team next year. Hal has been very focused on the tax threshold.
RetroBeers
I find it very difficult to imagine Cashman making a “desperation move” to trade for Soto. If anything, his recent trades have typically gone the other direction, looking for an undervalued “diamond in the rough” player. At which he’s been very successful but faced criticism from fans for sitting pat or making small moves when they want a big splash for a brand name. He’s made some bad trades, just like any GM, but he doesn’t really do desperation moves. In any case, I think you’re correct, there’s is no way they would give up a huge package for Soto unless they were absolutely sure of extending him. In fact, I think that goes for any team. They will have $500 million pre-budgeted to extend Soto before they give up a massive prospect package.
ChuckyNJ
The Bombers need bullpen, so they should trade for an outfielder being dissed by his present team. That’s the mentality fed by barely-breathing tabloids and mouth-breather talk radio.
Yankee George’s knee-jerk thinking is what kept the Bombers out of the postseason for 14 years.
ray714
Lux, Pepiot, Busch , Pages, and take on Corbin’s contract fully . Make it happen Dodgers.
scootfsu
As a Braves fan.. I hope he’s traded to an AL West team or at least out of the division so I don’t have to watch him as much. I hate watching this guy take an AB.. every called strike is a debate. I’d stick one in his ribs anytime I could afford a base runner. He’s mostly looking to walk anyway so it’ll just expedite the process.
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Mets FO not wasting their time on this distraction.
Say Hey Now Kid
The Mets would be justified in trading Alvarez. Any production lost at catcher is more than made up for in the outfield. And maybe that catcher they drafted turns out to be your replacement. I just don’t want them to give up anything else
thunderecho
Astros are the #1 team in MLB with the most homegrown talent on the 40-man roster.
Several key members of the team did not make any top-100 prospects lists during their time in the minors.
Astros farm system is exceptional at developing players.
Main reason why the team is in on OF Juan Soto and RHP Luis Castillo.
I doubt the Astros land Soto despite GM Rizzo’s fascination with the Astros upper-tier minor league talent. Believe he will end up with the Dodgers – they are the most aggressive in trade talks.
Reds and Nationals both seem enamored with Astros AAA OF/IF Enmanuel Valdez, age 23, one of the best pure hitters in the minor leagues.
RHP Hunter Brown moved up to #54 on the MLB top 100 list.
Organizationally, Astros likely have the greatest pitching depth in franchise history. Been fun watching pitchers like Cristian Javier develop under the radar (not making any top prospect lists), into top-tier, front-end MLB starters.
KingSall77
Yankees getting Juan Soto and Ohtani once he hits free agency.
Adampunk13
As a yankees fan is not worth trading for him now. There’s other tiers of outfielders we can get that can still help the club. We can still sign him when he hit free agency. Asking price to high especially for a guy thats going to be free agent. Unless team that trades him extends him right away.
Darryl Rose
@KingSall77
That will be an awesome lineup with Machado, Realmunto, Seager and Harper as well.