Juan Soto has been the talk of deadline season since reports emerged that the Nationals were entertaining dealing him in the wake of a rejected extension offer. The young superstar will continue to dominate headlines up until he’s either traded or next Tuesday’s deadline passes, with plenty of teams relishing the chance to acquire a 23-year-old who is already perhaps the game’s best hitter.
There’s been plenty of speculation about which teams could be involved, and Jeff Passan of ESPN wrote yesterday that some rival executives believe the Cardinals and Padres are the clubs with the best chance of prying Soto out of Washington. That’s more informed speculation than an indication anything is close between the Nats and either club. Both the Padres and Cardinals have win-now mentalities and a group of high-upside controllable players both at and below the major league level. That’s also true of clubs like the Dodgers, Yankees and Mariners, among others, and Soto’s two and a half years of remaining arbitration eligibility means the Nats don’t have to take the best offer on the table over the next few days.
Both Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and Jeff Jones of the Belleville News-Democrat write that the Cardinals have considered making a push for Soto. Jones reports that talks between the St. Louis and Washington front offices have already been underway, with rookie second baseman Nolan Gorman on the table.
According to Jones, the St. Louis front office has proposed building a return package around Gorman in hopes of keeping at least one of minor league infielders Jordan Walker or Masyn Winn. Walker is perhaps the organization’s top young player, checking in 7th overall on Baseball America’s most recent Top 100 prospects update. Winn, meanwhile, places 65th on that list. They’re two of the top three St. Louis prospects, with left-hander Matthew Liberatore — who has made his first seven MLB appearances this year — checking in 35th. (Triple-A outfielder Alec Burleson and Double-A pitcher Gordon Graceffo also placed towards the back of the top 100).
Gorman, of course, would still be a top prospect himself if he hadn’t exhausted his eligibility this season. The 22-year-old entered the year as a consensus top minor league talent in his own right. Keith Law of the Athletic placed him slightly ahead of Walker as St. Louis’ top prospect entering the season. Baseball America and Kiley McDaniel of ESPN each gave the edge to Walker but slotted Gorman second in the system and among the sport’s top 50 farmhands. Gorman proceeded to tear the cover off the ball with Triple-A Memphis, blasting 15 home runs in 34 games before getting his first big league call in May.
Through 54 major league games entering play Wednesday, the left-handed hitting Gorman has a .223/.299/.411 showing. The high-power, low-OBP combination is about what was anticipated. Gorman’s huge power numbers in Memphis came with a lofty 34% strikeout rate, and he’s gone down on strikes 32.5% of the time thus far as a big leaguer.
One shouldn’t expect Gorman to be a finished product at this point. He just turned 22 years old a few months ago. “Merely” hitting at a slightly above-average level in the majors at that age is quite promising. Gorman has predictably not rated highly as a defender at second base, but the 6’1″ infielder was forced to the keystone by the presence of Nolan Arenado. Gorman could probably fare better with an opportunity at his natural position at the hot corner, although his power upside at the dish will always be his calling card.
Promising as Gorman has been, it’s also understandable if the Cardinals would prefer to center a possible Soto return around him rather than Walker. The latter, a first-round pick in 2020, has played his way to Double-A Springfield despite having just turned 20 years old. Walker is excelling at that advanced level, hitting .304/.393/.486 with eight home runs, a quality 11.5% walk rate and a manageable 22.3% strikeout percentage. Those excellent numbers only reinforce scouting evaluations that suggest Walker could be a middle-of-the-order bat in the not too distant future. Eric Longenhagen of FanGraphs credited Walker with possible top-of-the-scale power (an 80 on the 20-80 scale) this month, writing that he’s posted eye-popping exit velocities in the minors despite his youth. Like Gorman, Walker has come up as a third baseman.
Winn, also 20, went in the second round of that 2020 draft. A two-way player in high school, he’s converted to shortstop as a professional. He retains the elite arm strength he showed on the mound, and Longenhagen praised his combination of bat speed, athleticism and contact skills. He’s split the season between High-A Peoria and Springfield, hitting .298/.363/.484 across 357 plate appearances.
Whether a Gorman-centered return could get the ball rolling in talks for the Nationals isn’t clear. Washington holds plenty of leverage in Soto talks, and the early reported asking price has been for a return of five or more controllable big leaguers and/or prospects. Even if the Nationals had interest in Gorman as a headliner, St. Louis would surely have to additionally include multiple young players (one or more likely from the aforementioned group of top 100 talents in the system) to convince Washington general manager Mike Rizzo to pull the trigger.
Jones writes that, at some point in negotiations with the Cardinals, the Nats sought to include left-hander Patrick Corbin in talks as a means of offsetting salary. Corbin is under contract for roughly $60MM over the 2023-24 seasons, an unappealing sum for a pitcher with a 6.02 ERA through 20 starts on the year. Rizzo flatly rejected the idea the Nationals have sought or would seek to include Corbin’s contract in a Soto deal during a chat on 106.7 FM radio in Washington this morning.
“We’ve never contacted teams and talked about Juan Soto and attaching any contract to any player,” Rizzo told “The Sports Junkies.” “We’re not going to dilute a return for any player by adding a bad contract. That’s not where we’re at in our organization at this time. We want to get the most for each and every trade that we do, so we certainly are not going to tack on anybody’s contract to anybody’s deal, including Juan Soto’s or Josh Bell’s or anybody.“
DonOsbourne
Cards are not getting Soto.
stlcards847
Mozeliak’s burner?
DonOsbourne
Great game tonight. Pujols is the MAN. Cards need pitching. They are NOT getting Soto.
goldywannabe
I just hope not
frontdeskmike
Why not both?
case
If I were a Cards fan I’d be rooting against it. You have an intriguing wild card team but hardly the sort of contender that should be emptying out their farm system for two and a half years of a left fielder.
chiefnocahoma1
There’s no way they do it without prior knowledge of being able to make a long term deal. My guess is there are scores of people working on those numbers as we speak.
birdsonbat
Probably, but gotta be 15 for 440. He wants that AAV. Cards could have the money, but that’s a lot to beat, especially when it’s Soto and boras
JackStrawb
LFer? Soto’s a DH, really.
17dizzy
Cards don’t need a DH. Right now, Pujols is doing excellent in that position
paulk-2
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Bobby smac9
@ chiefnocahoma1 ::: Another thought might be that they keep him short term and don’t sign him. Perhaps they see a couple three year window to compete and would rather not have an albatross contract hanging off their necks. Aftererall, they did let Albert walk once.
birdsonbat
I would concur, few pitching add-ons and a more feasible, costly bat, seems what I was thinking. Castillo, montas,maybe happ is still to much to hope for, but seems more reasonable than Soto for 2.5 or 2, and don’t think cards would be willing to go that number and years, after giving up potentially 25-30 years of top prospects level of control/ “possible ceilings”. Love to see Soto, but don’t know management would be willing to go that high or deep for even Soto on 2.5years
birdsonbat
I’d rather go after mid-range starters and some BP, than Soto I think, and that pains me. Just think with our defense, maybe a castillo/montas/quintana depending on costs etc obviously, and maybe some BP help would be more beneficial. Keep our prospects and hope
birdsonbat
Not to say Castillo and montas are mid, but our rotation has has had problems since since ST. So adding any, literally 1-5, would be immense help
rememberthecoop
I don’t think anyone is getting him. I just don’t believe there’s enough time to get that deal done by the deadline.
birdsonbat
You’re probably dead on. 30 teams throwing you prospects you never seen for Soto lol
n2thecards
Is that reverse psychology? He might just push StL to their 12th WS title, especially if they trade for Montas.
stymeedone
If they trade.for Soto, would they have anything left to acquire Montas?
Win Cor
Tons. Best farm system in the MLB by leaps and bounds
birdsonbat
12 would be cool. But worth 30 years of possible team friendly cost for 2/2.5 of Soto. Cards aren’t resigning at current declined offer I don’t think.
mookiesboy
maybe for all of those guys
Big whiffa
Jordan Walker is the#1 prospect in baseball. So not sure why the cards would be out – that’s who nationals should want to deal w the most.
seamaholic 2
Not even close.
Big whiffa
Who’s got a better floor/ceiling combo in minors right now than Walker ?
BrianBrian
gore, casas, mayer, g.rod, Carroll, marte
Mystery Team
Corbin Carroll is better than Jordan Walker it’s not even close.
BrianBrian
gore, casas, mayer, g.rod, Carroll been, marte
drtymike0509
Carroll is better right now and playing against higher competition
Ry.the.Stunner
Nobody has Jordan Walker ranked as the #1 prospect in baseball.
Dad
I will agree with you but I get to watch him play! He hits missiles, not balls that get up in the wind and carry.Respect!
Drewski27
I hope not, we need a good starter.
IHLgulls
If their offer is centered around a guy with a .299 OBP but they’d like to keep one of their two top prospects then you’re right, they aren’t getting him.
17dizzy
Mozeliak will not trade 5 top players/ prospects for any one. Never going to add an impact pitcher or hitter before the 2022 trade deadline.
A'sfaninUK
@DonOsbourne will you delete your account here if you are wrong?
crazywarrior
Very true! Everybody knows the only two teams that will potentially land Soto, are the Yankees or the Dodgers. I say this as a Giants fan.
The Cards, Red Sox, Astros, White Sox, Giants- larger market teams that are always ALMOST, but not quiet there, there- we just cannot compete anymore for these rockstar FAs. ONCE in a blue moon we’ll land someone like the Cards did with Arenado, but going forward, its tough to beat out these two markets.
The Dodgers and Yankees have become the LeBron and KD of MLB, recruiting every major star. MLB has to do something about this, otherwise, no team will be able to compete for free agents. The irony of course, is all those midlevel market teams have the most combined WS wins in the past 20 years
rememberthecoop
Well then, somebody is lying…
Milwaukee-2208
Just saw an article that said the Brewers are the favorite to land Soto. Let’s be real. He’s probably staying put until the offseason. All clickbait articles on Soto and bs rumors
getrealgone2
Agreed.
cnazimm
“bs rumors”? This is Trade Rumors. That is the point of the site.
Milwaukee-2208
The point of the site is to get clicks regardless of accuracy
cnazimm
Don’t click then.
Cosmo2
Reporting that a rumor exists IS accurate. Reporting on rumors is what this site is for, not only reporting on rumors that turn out exactly as presented. Think about it.
Snuffy
I read Trade Rumors because it is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Dustyslambchops23
Not sure why people keep saying he won’t be traded until the offseason. What evidence could possibly have to support that opinion.
TheWomanWithTheGlassEye
It’s just another option the Nats have. They arent bound by the deadline and can trade him at the Winter Meetings. If they are looking for more time to hammer out a deal then the offseason is when they will do it.
stymeedone
No one has evidence. Its speculation. STL adds Soto with Gorman as the headliner. Now they have a hole at 2B. Sure, DeJong could take the spot, but he doesn’t hit, hurting the lineup. In the off season, they can move Gorman, and sign a FA to fill the spot before the season begins. Teams are going to be hesitant to trade from the 25, unless Soto is replacing that player in the lineup. If Rizzo is wanting ML ready talent, he will have more “available” talent by waiting.
birdsonbat
Well assuming Gorman is headliner, can move Wynn to 2nd, but it’s all hypothetical in situation or offer, and Wynn won’t hit like Gorman for power, but provides upside on his own…personally rather see Gorman on day-to-day atm but just an opinion
You Can Put It In The Books
Yankees better get Soto after watching Judge came up teeny weeny tonight – some “MVP” LOL
Ancient Pistol
So ONE game defines a season?
You Can Put It In The Books
Two games so far, chunky. More to come…
amanateeamongmen
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Sourhaze
Wow are you a mets fan?
I’m a mets fan and that’s the worse take I’ve seen in an hour cause thats baseball fans on the net
getrealgone2
He’s a notorious troll on here.
You Can Put It In The Books
My people have been persecuted for generations.
You Can Put It In The Books
worst*
that’s**
Go back to school, son.
You Can Put It In The Books
Nevermind. Cashman knee-jerked postgame and acquired the powerless Benintendi.
Steve(shs22)
Benny Biceps had no power ? Ok but he’s a .400 Ob % guy and the yanks new leadoff hitter
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Yank’s just picked up Benintendi…sooo
jwt421
As has Alonso in a number of games this season. Judge is having a tremendous season and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
Four4fore
Pitching and Catching should be the priority for the Cardinals not Soto. He is destined to try the open market rather than sign an extention so don’t give up the farm.
DonOsbourne
Exactly
Dotnet22
It is possible to make more than one transaction at the trade deadline. Passing up on a 23 yr old phenom would be idiotic if you have the chance to get him. He’s not a prospect that is all promise. He’s a legit major leaguer who won’t reach his prime for 4 more years. Get Soto, then get a pitcher. It is possible.
Drewski27
This would be ideal, I just can’t see Mo giving up Walker or Liberatore. I don’t know If I would for a guy hitting .245? I do believe Soto is a perennial all star/MVP candidate, but how much to sign him long term after we gut our farm system for him?
stymeedone
Yep, he will reach his prime in 4 more years, for the team that signs him. Not the team that trades for him.
birdsonbat
Sorry misread your original
birdsonbat
But problem is you don’t have him for 4 years, you have him for 2/2.5 and giving up the farm
I know it’s Soto. So it’s a rental. For 25 years of team friendly on hopes that some of them pan out, I get it, I do. But do you get a ws with Soto in next 2?
cnazimm
I would agree. Soto would be a great edition, but pitching has to be the priority.
Buster79
If we didn’t trade Sandy Alcantara and Zac Gallen to rent Ozuna the pitching wouldn’t even be an issue. Soto would be awesome, but it’s always a risk. I don’t have a ton of faith in Mozeliak to deal the right guys.
birdsonbat
Ty I missed this post earlier and just reiterated
cards81
Cardinals give up Gorman, Winn, Carlson, and a few more prospects…they give up Liberatore for Montas or another quality pitcher…they don’t give up Walker and have two good righties in their top ten prospects for pitching…they could easily sell off top prospects and have a two year window without giving up on the future…Soto to St. Louis is a sure thing
Justin Bobko
Nats are not dealing with cardinals without getting Walker back
birdsonbat
We have 5-7ttop 100, and not to mention pretty young mlb ready talent, already in the league, to intrigue.. and money to spend or take on some of your contracts if it ever came down to new ownership for Nats..and caproom.depends on wants, needs, asks, as always.
birdsonbat
Also true but then you’re giving up part of a tandem of good cheap atm OF, o know it’s freaking Soto, but then you’re giving up a top 10 pick I forget overall I think? For a 30 year old, and possible middle infield for foreseeable future. Not saying it’s not justified, just everyone talking about an mlb ready OF, possibly 3 parts of an infield, a high floor/ceiling pitcher, for at most 2.5 years of, and I get it, a generational talent or so it seems do far. But 2.5 let’s say,over possibly 25 years or so of unproven yet, possible team friendly costs. Stl ain’t paying 450-500 to re-sign. It’s a gamble, I’m on the fence about it myself admittedly, would love another WS, but at what possible cost. Thank God I’m not bowtie
baseballnamescanbehard
I wouldn’t trade Carlson. The dude is going to be a 3-4 WAR player every year.
eatonculo
Carlson is a complete player too. He’s pretty good at everything. He can hit anywhere, play anywhere in the outfield. Adding Carlson to the Soto deal means relying on Bader’s feet or Nootbar in center field. I wouldn’t trade Carlson either.
Win Cor
Carlson is going no where, unless it’s almost a straight up trade with 3 prospects. He would be the headliner. Are you kidding!?! What Value and and Controllability are you all looking at. He scores 77 and Soto a 126. Include Gorman and his high score and your pretty much done with some additional scraps.. I mean you saw a microcosm of it against Toronto last night.. How good those guys are going to be.
birdsonbat
Well we always screw our catchers, sorry molina, but it’s been a couple of years of, from our.FO, this the year, so Carson Kelly I believe was top 100 at one point, them knit, and Herrera I think will be finally the one. I’m not overly worried about catcher atm,but should’ve been in on pitching for a while. Even if it was a happ or Lester re-sign…anything, literally so many question marks even heading in to spring training it was crazy
baseballnamescanbehard
Agree
Wadz
Nonzero chance Soto switches dugouts this weekend in DC
User 3014224641
I heard the A’s were the front runners for Soto.
Yesterday I heard the Royals were.
n2thecards
I think they’re all frontrunners until someone publicly says they aren’t interested. There’s a good chance he stays in DC until the offseason too.
MLBAddict
Cards don’t need Soto, they need pitching. If Moz does anything (highly unlikely, based on experience) it needs to be to help out the rotation and the bullpen.
CujoMarlin
Except he has had trades for Stanton (vetoed), Goldschmidt and Arenado in place over the last 5 years. No GM has traded for more elite position players than Mozeliak.
birdsonbat
Yeah but also at like 30 years old not 23 and bona-fide super star, different ballgame
FrontOfficeStan
Cardinals more likely to have a deal with the D Backs or As. If they’re serious about Soto then that is very uncharacteristic of the front office. It’s nice to dream but there are more pressing needs. Weird to see them so tied to this though. I guess anything can happen.
DarkSide830
Only one of Gorman/Walker/Wynn available? Yeah, Cards aren’t getting Soto.
FrontOfficeStan
The article says the Cards are wanting to keep one of them, probably Walker. Definitely possible to get a deal done still. Whether they should is another discussion.
DarkSide830
Whelp I read that wrong. Thanks.
DM_Nats
All in on these Cards prospects. Walker/Gorman/Winn/Hence/Graceffo & one more mid level one
bighiggy
Cards won’t trade 6 of their top 8 prospects. 4 probably, not 6. 5 top 100 prospects and another is too much
cards81
Definitely not giving up that much…sorry
sufferforsnakes
Whatever any team gives for Soso is an overpay.
Dotnet22
Flags fly forever.
kodiak920
Amen brother.
Dustyslambchops23
When was the last time a trade for prospects only actually worked out to be an overpay.
There’s very few examples of that, the more likely scenario is a team is going to trade 4 prospects to Soto and their lifetime claim to fame will be that they were once traded for soto.
Go look at your favourite teams too 10 prospects from 5 years ago, how many worked out? Look at all the top 100 lists, what percentage end up stars?
Eric05216969559
Lol what? I just randomly picked 2015 to look at top 100 prospects on mlb.com site to check your ridiculous theory (already knew it was wrong) but just about every single prospect in top 15 are studs, Buxton, Bryant, Correa, Lindor, Rodon, Glasnow, Corey Seager, Joc Pederson, Giolito, Noah Syndergaurd, etc were all in top 15 lmao, so you were saying? These lists are usually very, very accurate and prospects that high on top 100 lists. Like top 20 guys RARELY ever fail to become very good to great players, so yes when you are talking about prospects in top 10 of all of baseball that’s almost guaranteed they are going to turn out as good players, barring injuries. And trades involving prospects backfires all time, the Cardinals just did it couple of years ago for Ozuna, they literally gave up Alcantara and Gallen, yeah Sandy Alcantara who is favorite for Cy young. And for Soto, we are talking about the best of the best when it comes to prospects, Jordan Walker is 7th best prospect in all of MLB, and Nolan Gorman was top 20 entering season before he graduated, these aren’t fringe top 100 prospects, Masyn Winn very easily could be top 20 next season given how much his bat has improved this year and kid is stud in field playing premium position at shortstop who has a 80 grade arm and just threw ball over a 100mph in futures game and is hardest thrown ball in ALL OF BASEBALL including Mlb, and its by over 2mph.
rondon
He said look at your favorite team’s top prospects, not the entire league.
birdsonbat
Still, I agree, but for a 2 or 2.5 year rental for a possible 25-30 year team controlled cost? Bc I don’t think they ever are considering what an extension would cost or entertain
kodiak920
If they win the World Series it is worth any overpay.
stymeedone
What if they dont? He’s not a guarantee. He’s hitting like Adam Dunn right now.
Big whiffa
Walker Winn Mcgreevy and hence. Love to see the cardinals drain their system for him !
Cards might do it if they thought they could sign him, Problem is cardinals are way to smart to pay a dude 400 mil
iH8PaperStraws
Only the nationals would pay him $400mm plus. And that was only because of the length of contract. There has only been one $400mm player, Mike Trout. Not MVP winners like Betts and Harper, and not Machado. He won’t get the years anywhere outside Washington. And if you haven’t noticed, front offices are drawing the line on AAV around $30-35 for position players and that’s only happened a few times. Boris and Soto may try to ask for it, but there are plenty of examples out there showing why they won’t get it.
birdsonbat
400? Dude might ask for 5 with boras. What was it 15 for 440? He wants that AAV
birdsonbat
So let’s just say arenado opts out, now we’re out on a ss, 3b, if Gorman is involved 2b or dh, and a rising SP, which we are in need of in any aspect? For 2 years? Not a prospect against proven value. But it’s steep as it should be and will be for any team
n2thecards
I know it’s hypothetical but NA has stated multiple times he isn’t opting out. He very much wants the FO to be active in improving the team. If any trades take place that improve our team for the next few seasons, it would only further solidify his desire to stay.
CJ81
Gorman, Yepez, Burleson, Graceffo, Hence. Thats 4 top 100 prospects plus Yepez who looks like a solid young DH.
Then Cardinals still have plenty of prospects to trade for a SP while still holding on to Walker and Wynn.
Wadz
Cards aren’t getting Soto without losing Carlson/Gorman and Walker as the foundation
CJ81
I can definitely see Gorman and Walker being necessary. I really hope its not one of them plus carlson. His defense is really needed with harrison bader hurt.
Four4fore
Gorman is 23 and Soto wants more than $400mil.
Wadz
I doubt all 3 of them would be in it… probably Carlson/Gorman, Walker and either Winn and fluff or some quality arms like Grafeco
Wadz
Sotos next contract has 0 to do with his trade value today
Four4fore
That’s the thinking that brought Ozuna from the Marlins for Alacantara, Gallen and others. So I think there is a hole in your logic.
Triteon
And Soto brings less than replacement level defense. He hits…that’s it.
Four4fore
No
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Weird question but since Corbin’s contract was brought up: What’s the logic again, behind when teams give guys just a shade under or over an even AAV for a contract? So for instance, Corbin’s AAV would’ve been exactly even at $141M over 6 years… so why didn’t he get that extra $1M? What’s $1M at that level? I realize this is semantics and asking what difference $1M makes at any contract level in the MLB is an inch turning into a mile because what’s $1M turns into what’s $2M and so on and at like $4M or more it actually kinda does make a pretty big difference at least in the perception of a given contract, at any level, at any length of years.
But why didn’t he get exactly $23.5M a season and instead it was $23.333M a season?
DarkSide830
Because why are round numbers nicer than having an extra million in your pocket as an owner?
Dustyslambchops23
We’ll give you 20 per year
No I want 26 per year
21?
No 25
Okay 23
No, 24 per
23.333 final offer…
Okay I’ll take it
birdsonbat
Not sure exactly about that differential you’re referring too, but, with possible speculation of nats selling team to new ownership, it’s a tangled web, only reason I can think of
You Can Put It In The Books
The only thing “rising” tonight was Judge’s K%
StreakingBlue
I don’t want Soto on the Dodgers. I think it makes less sense for Padres, but makes perfect sense for the Cardinals or Mariners.
Francys01
StreakingBlue- But, the Dodgers are the super team. They can sign or trade for any player.
DodgerDan
Hope the Mariners get him.
rd42
Unless it includes Gorman, Walker, and Wynn, theres no reason to make a deal. Probably 2 lore lesser guys as well. The Nationals don’t have to trade him.
Pretty sure the Padres will do a deal of Abrams, Hassell, Merrill and Wood. That offer would trump the Cards offer anyway.
FrontOfficeStan
I think they do have to trade him. Question is do they wait until the offseason or not? I think Soto will be in a new uniform by deadline tbh. Cards will not give up both walker and wynn with Gorman. Still possible to make the deal happen though.
iH8PaperStraws
You all under estimate the value clubs put on there young prospects because of how profitable they can be if they hit in them. Scouting is great these days and by time these guys make it overall too 50 ranking they have a very good chance of being an everyday NLB contributor. Maybe not face of the franchise, but a good player. The reason clubs would want players in deals is the exact reason teams want to keep them. It just comes down to who can help me now if they are close so they can get all the playoff revenue. In a Vaccuum, Soto’s WAR this year is at 3.5 and Gormans is at 0.9 with half the games played. Subtract one from the other and that’s less than 3 more wins for the club. I know they aren’t really comparable like that, but all things considered, it’s why you won’t don’t see massive high prospect hauls. Betts didn’t get a massive return, Cole didn’t get a massive return. The Last one I remember being a big get was Grienke from the Dbacks to the Astros and looking at those players now, they weren’t much either. If Gorman is the center piece, it will be Gorman,Liberatore, Zach Thompson and Burleson. Maybe Paul Dejong with money too since he’s found some power in the minors
max l
Replace Merrill & Wood with Gore & Cronenworth and we have a deal!
ChiSoxCity
You’d think the Cubs would be in on Soto, what with all that “Marquee money”, and the chance to play at the great Wriggley Field. LMAO.
Ry.the.Stunner
Imagine being so dense about baseball that you think you can just buy a player from another team without giving up prospect capital. Why would the Cubs want to move backward and undo all the prospect acquisitions they made in the past year to acquire Soto?
ChiSoxCity
As a Cubs fan, you should be asking what in the heck the Cubs are doing. They are a top 5 revenue team in the #3 media market, with a new TV contract. Why aren’t they spending like one. They should be able to easily spend like the Yankees and Dodgers (and more than the Red Sox). My guess is the minority owners are all coastal, meaning they’ll take profits over competing with NY and LA for elite players, but I can’t prove it because nobody outside the MLB really knows who these people are or what the accounting ledgers look like. Either way, a guy like Soto should be a priority for a team like the Cubs (young, uber talented). It’s Chicago, however, so they’re not allowed to make big moves for top tier players (sarcasm, but seems to be true).
Bob Lablah
Please for the love of god I hope the cards land Soto. There’s no way in Hell would I give up 7 prospects for 2-3 years of Soto. My Rays better not fall for this ridiculous spell.
Dustyslambchops23
Lol you’re a rays fan and you’re worried about them losing a trade ?
brodie-bruce
@bob with the rays crystal ball on prospects, they could literally trade there top 10 players in there system and randy, get some lotto tickets in exchange from the nats and in 2 years those loto tickets are playing in the as game. in all seriousness and me exaggerating a bit with the fo and scouting you have imo your 1 of 2 teams that could give up the farm and still have one of the best farms in mlb (the other is the lad but then again la will take a bad contract for kids and dfa the bad contract before the ink was dry)
Jack135
To me best match seems the Padres. They’re in win now mode, Tatis coming back, pitching already good but need a big bat. San Diego’s a fairly big market and can afford him. Also have a variety of high level prospects/young talent which will help the Nats through their rebuild.
Justin Bobko
I thought this at first, but can they really afford him with hosmer, machado, and tatis?
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Myers is gone after this season, Machado can opt out after next..plus their whole pitching staff has 1-2 yrs control left..gonna be interesting to see how AJ handles it..
619bird
I agree that San Diego could be the team to beat. However I think they’d want to shed Hosmer or Myers and Snell in any deal with the Nationals. That would complicate things. Nats would want some cash to cover those contracts.
Poster formerly known as . . .
Yankees just landed Benintendi. Check it out on the MLB site.
ArchRivals
Gorman, Liberatore, Burleson, Yepez, and Delvin Perez for Soto
Tyler O’Neill for Pablo Lopez
Justin Bobko
Neither of those are happening
birdsonbat
Man that’s tough but more than fair. Burleson would be have already given a shot most places, and it keeps some of the too prospects in place for stl. Think Nats would feel cheated though for sure
baseballnamescanbehard
I might make that Lopez trade
StudWinfield
STL not only has the high level prospects to give WAS they also have the financial flexibility to try to sign him. Only Arenado remains after Goldschmidt is done in 2 years.
Steve(shs22)
I think Carlson / Gorman
And Walker or Winn
Along with Liberatore , gerrifico , and Burleson get it done.
If it’s Winn over walker throw in a couple mid level guys
eatonculo
That’s crazy. No chance the Cardinals give up that much. Nats can ask, but that’s not going to happen.
Curveball1984
Cards don’t have the prospect power to pull this off. Personally I think he stays put for the next year or two, and gets traded later closer to his contract running out for a smaller package. I think if he does get traded, it’ll be to someone no one expects, like the Rays. Rays have the prospects to make it happen, and Soto would remain affordable for them in the coming years before he hits free agency. It could be an “all in” move. Orioles could also get him and keep him in the same area as well for the same reasons.
kodiak920
The Nationals would rather die on their sword than trade Soto to Baltimore. MASN has made them extremely bitter
birdsonbat
What? Look at stl top 100 and young mlb ready talent. I’ll take a hit of whatever you smoking. We don’t have the BEST farm system. But we got enough hype. And young controllable mlb talent to make the deal…plus cap to keep. I really believe it’d be a 2.5/2 yr rental, buuut.
dale123
Just love these so called offers.rangers can top any of them if they so choose to.a top 4 minor league system young guys in major leagues in burke,Taveras, duran white and smith and 7 top 100 prospects and now we have signed rocker and that 4th rounder that was 1 of top 12 prospects that was the BEST high school pitcher in draft we can afford to trade some of the prospects.plus texas likes dealing with boras.
max l
Attaching Corbin’s contract makes no sense for a variety of reasons, the 2 main ones being:
1) By the time the Nats are next competitive (probably sometime in 2025 or 26) Corbin will be off the books so there’s no sense saving money when the team is not going to be competitive anyways. A contract that would be worth going away is Stephen Strasburg but due to a full NTC, health, and value, there may not be a more untradeable player in the game. Hypothetically, Miguel Cabrera would get traded before Strasburg does.
2) By including Corbin, that just lessens the return, and I’d rather get the return and keep Corbin (hell someone has to keep starting games) then include Corbin and get a worse return. Like if team A was going to offer their top 5 prospects just for Soto, while team B was only going to offer 3 of the top 5 and in return they take on Corbin, I would take team A’s offer any day of the week
kodiak920
Nationals would love to jettison the Corbin contract, but they have the resources to absorb that contract during the rebuild.
max l
I’ve been saying for the last 2 weeks or however long this news breaks the 2 front runners IF he gets traded in season (which I’d probably put at less than 30%) are the Padres or the Mariners. No one else.
The only 2 teams that have the desperation: Padres in a win now window, I think machado has an opt out in a few years, Musgrove is a FA but hoping to resign, Tatis probably a few weeks away from returning, but still an unknown time; and the Mariners who have the longest playoff drought in North American Sports history.
Aside from the desperation, Jerry DiPodo (Mariners) and AJ Preller (Padres) aren’t afraid to make the bold, big move.
So combine the desperation, with the GM’s not afraid to pull the trigger and it can ONLY be one of those 2 teams:
The Dodgers don’t have the desperation, because they are going to waltz to the division title, especially if the Padres can’t even close out the Tigers!
The Yankees don’t have the desperation; they want to hold onto their prospects, and even though Soto is probably a better investment than Judge actually (younger and left-handed) they are probably hoping to sign him.
The Cardinals don’t have the GM that will pull the trigger. Yes Mo, makes big moves, but notice they are all in the off-season: Goldy, Arenado, Ozuna were all off-season moves. I can’t remember the last time the Cards added an actual MVP/Cy Young player during the middle of the season. Plus, he’s probably going to have to send at least one player (and probably 2 or 3) off the major league roster from a combo of: Dylan carlson, Tommy Edman, Tyler O’Neil, Nolan Gorman, or Matt Libertore, and I don’t see Mo poaching from his ML roster in season. Off season yes, in the off season, the Cards would probably be the favorite, but this is not the type of move, historically, the cards have pulled off in season. We will see, maybe i’ll be shown wrong??
notnamed
holliday, in season.
Hubert
Will Clark
notnamed
lance berkmann, larry walker, edmonds, mcgwire
BeforeMcCourt
With the Padres 12 games back of LA, does it really make sense for them to sell the farm for Soto? Especially when their rotation will need to be augmented entirely in the not too distant future and payroll concerns already dominating their moves?
notnamed
i’d rather trade edman and oneill
notnamed
cardinals could get soto this year, and swap him to someone else the year before he hits free agency
birdsonbat
Also true but you lose the capital you have for maybe less know ppl/players
eephus11
It would be magical and a massive boost to acquire Soto, but I was hoping they would go for Benintendi and a bigger pitching splash in both the rotation and pen. I do believe Soto would perk up and so would a lot of the Cardinal regulars once he came over, they have a group of competitors in the clubhouse and he is currently on a gutted team with zero aspirations.
birdsonbat
I agree, but our outfield has been a cluster. I was wondering about a bat, a mid-to-top arm, and a back-of the end arm. Bat I had nobody specifically in mind, but stl pitching at points has been hard knowing we made no moves to improve, with a lot of ?’s to even begin ST
birdsonbat
I agree with uncharacteristic of front office for 2/2.5 year rental for that much much, when we finally started getting it back up after a couple deals. I would love Soto and see him in different red, but also thinking 3b, ss, 2b, and pitching, and pitching we desperately need.and don’t know if we would able to get him desired yrs/$ trying to re-sign. Lot of years of control on “potential ” minor leaguers. I realize Soto 23 and is a known commodity.
birdsonbat
If you get 1 world series, if that, is it worth tearing it all down? Stl, not to sound biased, but probably slightly Homer, they are always competitive and don’t tank. Some years, yes, feels like only wild card competitive, but our last 2 were both on wild cards. Gotta be in it o win it.
birdsonbat
Would love to see Soto, but stl pitching been il, skeptical all year. Wondering if couple SPs, and a little bullpen help,with our defense, wouldn’t be more beneficial atm.and if Soto isn’t moved, check on him in off-season. Our outfield still pretty good as far depth, and a possible healthy oneill, “assuming and hoping” last year wasn’t an outlier, and DC stepping up, isn’t awful.
birdsonbat
And I apologize for not scrolling and looking more closely or.finding, but yeah ozuna was a deal off-season I believe, but he was not what cards were trading for when healthy even. FA year was awesome with braves, but cards I believe gave up gallen and Alcantara? I don’t remember exact deal honestly.
n2thecards
Yes, birds, they traded those two plus Mag. Sierra for Ozuna. That could be causing them to hold back with JS. Could you imagine if we got Montas and Lopez? Would be nuts
birdsonbat
I’m almost off the cloud of Soto and being able to watch him hit in everyday lineup, but montas/Lopez/ not sure of middle relief or back end available, but, with our defense, on most days they get helped out. Read interesting #s on quintana earlier too, still only 33, has pitched to pretty good numbers, cheap contract, so possible offer for next year I would assume, to fill major void. It would be stl sign like a Lester or happ signing of last year. Reliable, know-what-to -expect starter.
notnamed
how long is someone still a certain age?
msqboxer
I live in STL and this front office just blows smoke to make it sound like they tried. I still think the dark horse in this Soto race is the CWS. They are win now TLR only has so much time left. They have assets although thin on pitching. If they built something around Jimenez, Vaughn, Burger, Colas, Cespedes and Crochet in some combination if I’m the NATS I’m listening.
Lanidrac
So the Cardinals would open a hole in the middle infield for an outfield upgrade they can’t afford and don’t even need? Yeah, Bader had a setback, but he should still be back well before the end of the season, as will Yepez, not to mention the outfield crunch would continue next year.
birdsonbat
Yes lanidrac, that’s also what I mean, does one of the top 3 hitters, OF, win us a division, or ws in next 2/2.5 years? Be fun to watch, but if you have no pitching to compensate, when waino, amazing as he is, is your #1, not a good feeling.for the price of Soto I think we can get 2 SPs, and some BP help, and probably a quality hitter,not Soto for sure, but someone to help, utility even. If oneill is healthy and starts hitting like last year, already would be an upgrade. Or if DC can start hitting a bit more(he’s always been good .obp) we’d be solid
JimmyForum
They don’t care. Winning is secondary to selling tickets to dumb fans that just go to see popular players.
msqboxer
Cards won’t do it and if they make any trade it will be for pitching. What is interesting is the teams that start falling off the Soto suitors. You can say that the Yankees will wait now until FA or the off season if Soto doesn’t get traded. That leaves the Padres and Dodgers as the know entities left and both have the prospects to probably pull off a trade. I still think there is a dark horse and that is the CWS for the following reasons. The owner is 86 and now owns less than 20% of the team which will eventually be sold by the other investors when they assume control on his death. TLR has a small window to get back to the World Series. If I’m the Nats I don’t want prospects that are in A ball and on the top 100 list because that doesn’t increase their value when they sell the club. I wonder if a package centered around Jimenez who is 25 and signed to a reasonable deal and some combinations of Vaughn, Crochet, Colas, Cespedes, Burger or Vera could get a deal done. You’d have some already established MLB players controllable and some potential prospects that have high ceilings but potentially low floors if they don’t adjust to MLB level.
baseballfan90
The Cardinals don’t have the pieces to acquire Soto
msqboxer
Gorman, Liberatore, Walker and prospect would get the deal done.
baseballfan90
Not even close. If Arenado and Goldy aren’t in this deal the Nats aren’t going for it.
gyorkoff
I hope you are joking. Why would the Nats want Arenado and Goldschmidt right now? They are in rebuild mode, not take on a shitload more salary mode. They want prospects that are under control for several years for cheap.
baseballfan90
My bad I forgot to include this earlier: the Cardinals need to include some cash as well as Goldy, Arenado, and others for Soto.
These players will help the Nats win. Soto is too valuable to trade for just prospects. You need proven MLB talent as well as prospects and probably some money too.
aTouchOfSarcasm
I don’t think you’re supposed to drink the bong water…
baseballfan90
I’m not drinking any DeJong water. Which part of the trade sounds iffy?
TJT88
Oh man if he goes to the Padres the Dodgers are gonna be shittin a pill having to worry about Juan Soto knocking them out of the playoffs ever year hahah
TJT88
Imagine Soto on the Padres. The dodgers have to worry about getting knocked out of contention or the playoffs annually.
notnamed
on person doesn’t a team make
UWPSUPERFAN77
After reading most of the posts., I think the Cardinals have the horses for a trade. However, if they only get him for 2.33 years, they will overpay by a lot. I like the Cardinals for the next 3-5 years without the trade. I would not do it!
notnamed
he can become a free agent in 2025. trade him the before the deadline in 2025
notnamed
since he isn’t eligible for free agency until 2025, which would be after the 2025 world series, he would have the rest of 22, all of 23. 24. and 25
gyorkoff
No, he’s a free agent after the 2024 season.
notnamed
baseball reference needs to change it. it says free agent 2025.
PaulSimon
SOTO TO DOYERS
Coach JG
Padres have a need but not in position to do so. They are trying to dump a SP along with Hosmer/or Myers to be able to make a move cause if they don’t move one of the above and make a move they become a 2 timer on the luxury tax which would be devastating for a mid market Padres team. So no matter what prospects and need for Soto there is, unless players are moved to take in Soto to avoid the 2x luxury tax penalty, Padres are not in the running for Soto
Coach JG
Cardinals have all the pieces to make this move. 7 players in Top 100 plus the young talent on current roster. They are incredibly deep. Question will they do it with needs at pitching and c after the season? Everyone who says they don’t have the pieces are smoking something cause they are about the only team who could give up 4-6 top prospects and not clean out the farm system in it’s entirety
Coach JG
Cardinals pieces who could be involved in this trade
Gorman
Walker
Carlson
O Neil
Donavan
Yepez
Wynn
McGreevy
Bader
Herrera
Libratore
Graffico
Burleson
Not to mention guys like
Oviedo
Hicks or could include Flaherty
All these guys fit the profile and still likely missing guys so yes the Cardinals have ammunition to pull this off and likely trades for Castillo and Montas
James1955
Teams will wait until the offseason for the Nats to lower their demands.
Deleted Userr
Why would they do that when they could use Soto for their playoff push now?
nottinghamforest13
The White Sox are the dark horse in the Soto conversation. Rizzo enjoys working with the Chicago front office.
brucenewton
Doesn’t really move the needle. Need to blow the farm for Castillo.
AZ1998
I don’t know much about the Cardinals players that would be in a deal for Soto. But it’s not everyday a team has a chance at a Goldy, Nado, and Soto lineup secured for another 2.5 years together. That is hard to pass up on.
Deleted Userr
Nolan can opt out after this year