The Cardinals have received trade calls on Nolan Gorman and Edmundo Sosa, Derrick Goold of The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports, with an unknown American League team expressing particular interest in Sosa. It isn’t known if the Cards are close to a deal on either player, though it would seem like the scope of a trade involving Gorman would be quite different than the scope of a Sosa deal (assuming, of course, that both players wouldn’t be moved in the same swap).
Gorman is one of the game’s top prospects, and he has started his big league career with a respectable 110 wRC+ (from a .229/.303/.430 slash line and 10 home runs) over his first 198 plate appearances in the Show. Under normal circumstances, the Cardinals wouldn’t be looking to move such a potential cornerstone player at all, except Gorman has reportedly been part of the club’s discussions with the Nationals about Juan Soto. Given how St. Louis is deep in infield prospects, it isn’t out of the question that the Cardinals could include Gorman as part of a package for a proven superstar, though it would likely take a Soto-level special talent to spur such a move.
Sosa would naturally be far more of an expendable piece than Gorman, as Sosa has hit only .188/.244/.270 over 131 PA in part-time backup action this season. An international signing for the Cardinals back in 2012, Sosa had decent but unspectacular numbers during his time in the farm system, and didn’t hit much in a handful of big league games in 2018 and 2019. However, Sosa unexpectedly emerged as a regular at shortstop in 2021, as Paul DeJong’s struggles opened the door for Sosa to earn more playing time, and he responded with a .271/.346/389 slash line in 326 PA and excellent defense.
With this season’s downturn in production, Sosa has returned to a backup role, as Gorman and Tommy Edman have become the regular middle infield combo. Rookie Brendan Donovan has also cut into Sosa’s utilityman role, and yet with Sosa out of minor league options, St. Louis hasn’t been able to send Sosa to the minors without exposing him to waivers. If that wasn’t enough of a crunch, DeJong is hitting well at Triple-A, and could be working himself back into the Cardinals’ plans as a backup on the Major League roster.
Sosa is controlled through the 2026 season, and even if rival clubs might not necessarily see him as a long-term piece, he could fit into many rosters as versatile, glove-first infield depth. Sosa alone wouldn’t be the centerpiece of a major trade, but if the Cardinals were looking to package multiple players together, Sosa could be an interesting addition. For instance, a team that moves another infielder in a separate trade could then pivot to acquire Sosa to fill that hole on their roster for at least the rest of the 2022 season.
As much as the Soto trade rumors have caught the imagination of St. Louis fans, pitching seems to be as big a priority for the Cardinals heading into the deadline. The extent of these rotation help is yet to be determined, as Goold describes the Cards’ targets as “pitching depth on the edges of the roster,” while FanSided’s Robert Murray hears the team is looking for multiple starters, and “bigger, more meaningful upgrades than the J.A. Happ and Jon Lester additions from last season.”
To this end, the Cardinals have been prominently mentioned as suitors for Frankie Montas and Luis Castillo. It isn’t hard to imagine that the Athletics and Reds each inquired about Gorman or other top St. Louis youngsters in those trade talks, given the high asking prices that will undoubtedly be required to land those top starters.
angels trying to pry sosa for syndergaard?
The Cards can even trade Paul Dejong to the Angels and a prospect for Syndergaard. Dejong is playing super well in the minors, he’s hitting over 300. There are so many players that makes sense for St Louis the list is endless.
There is no comparison between AAA and the majors.
Dejong can hang in there and maybe a ML a team takes him on to see if he can be some sort of utility guy. Usually that’ll work if the player has speed and can play some OF as well as infield, which Dejong does not. The Angels already have guys like that, and in fact recently traded one back to the Yankees in Tyler Wade. Don’t know if he’s in AAA or on an injured list.
To Francy:You make a lot of sense! I wish my Brewers had the depth of the position player you team has!
DeJong is hitting .249 in the minors. He’s still hitting well, but he’s not a .300 hitter. Lol
Dejong isn’t even hitting 250 in the minors.
He’s hitting under .250 at Memphis.
Lol. Just to clarify, “Before homer Wednesday, DeJong hit .351 with a .784 slugging percentage in 37 at-bats this month, and in 50 games for Triple A Memphis has slugged .533 with an .840 OPS and 16 homers.”
Once Sosa wrist fully heals I expect he’d be the player he was last year. Would hate to see the Cardinals trade that player for Noah.
I’d rather see Dejong go to the Royals and a pitching prospect for Brad Keller Francys01 I’d even be willing to trade Sosa for Brad Keller
Not going to happen. Royals don’t need DeJong and Keller is the Royals best starting pitcher.
Well yeah he is the Royals best pitcher, but I dont think they have made him unavailable in trade talks? Hopefully the Cardinals trade for some starting pitching somehow someway
Hm interesting i could see something like a Gorman package for montas and Sean Murphy
I’m down for that!
I’m to concerned about Montas recent shoulder issues to trade Gorman for him. Mike Clevinger 2.0
I’d really like to see the cardinals trade for Brad Keller of the Royals, Say Paul Dejong and a pitching prospect?
Speaking of Soto and Donovan, couldn’t he be a piece to add to such a trade?
Cardinals love Donovan…I don’t think they want to trade him
Donovan is expendable. He has been slumping though and a rookie so I am not sure what they could get for him. Sell high though. This kid is a .250-270 hitter with not much power when the dust clears
Donnie baseball isn’t expendable. Almost everyone slumps, but I think Donovan is to much of a impact player for the Cardinals to want to trade till he struggles for a full year.
I see a three way deal in the works amongst the Cardinals, A’s, and Reds:
Cardinals receive Castillo and Montas. Reds receive Arenado and Goldy plus cash. A’s receive Gorman and Sosa plus cash.
You must be a Reds fan?
I don’t mind the Reds. I’ve been to Cincinnati years back; they have a nice stadium.
Would love to see Goldschmidt back in a Reds uniform
Good trade for the cards, they should probably throw in Molina too! Reds can also include Votto for Yepez! He can be the short stop!
C’mon man the Reds would never trade Votto.
Your high as a kite. Lol. Goldy and arendo are the reason Stl is even considering a trade. Besides that the reds would never take on their contracts.
Please just go away and okay with children on other web sites…
You gotta give up something to get something. The days of teams acquiring superstars for middling prospects are over.
So you think the cardinals are going to trade for 2 top tier pitchers, meanwhile giving up on of the best prospects in the game, one of the best 3rd baseman of all time and quite possibly the NL MVP this year????!!! Pass the pipe around brother, don’t keep it all for yourself
If the Cardinals want to win they need to go all in. Trading middling prospects won’t net them anything good.
Trading their top 2 hitters won’t help either.
If they want legit pitching they’d better pony up. Teams aren’t just going to give the Cardinals talent for hopes and wishes.
@ Baseballfan90 – I thought you were joking. Looks like you are just dumb instead.
Excuse me, grown ups are talking here
Your fictitious proposal alone is enough to give Castellini heart palpations at just the thought of paying both of their salaries
That’s why the Cardinals would need to send some cash in the deal as well.
And on what planet do you propose this trade would happen? Because it isn’t this one
What part of my trade proposal isn’t making sense? This is one of those deals where everyone improves, whether it’s now or over the next few seasons.
so you improved pitching to completely decimate the cardinals offense….and upgraded heavily a divisional rival
The Cards offense will be just fine. Call up a few prospects from the minors and they’ll be average to above average in hitting.
No one in here stated they give “ middling “ prospects. Gorman, Libertore, Wynn, and others are not middling. Nor are the major leaguers rumored to go… As well as the outfielders who have one a gold glove and other (Carlson) would start on 90% of the outfields today. Sosa is more of a throw in b/c of contract or will most likely be traded for some reliever or middle relief guy…
But goldy and arendo your are high.
Read and understand before you type.
If this isn’t trolling, it’s legitimately the worst trade suggestion I have ever heard, and I’ve heard a lot of bad ones. Teams do not trade their superstars when they are on a playoff run. They could easily net montas or Castillo or even both with the prospects they have. Gorman and walker or Wynn alone could get a deal done.
No way that would be a steal for the Cardinals if they got to hold onto Arenado and Goldy! There’s no way those two could still be on that roster if they’re getting both Castillo and Montas.
Uh I can read and understand quite well. You need to understand that teams need to get actual MLB talent back in deals, not just prospects.
This is hilarious…
Cardinals don’t actually improve in your deal. I’d put them markedly worse for trading away arenado and goldschmidt. Maybe if the Reds throw in dryer, and the Cardinals keep goldschmidt.
Reds are only interested in 3rd basemen anyway.
The Cardinals go from a fringe playoff team to a 1 or 2 seed with this trade.
They’d get Arenado and they could find a spot for Goldy.
You’re being serious? I really thought this was a joke…wow dude you are unbelievable…that trade would easily make the cardinals worse and get MO fired
He won’t be getting fired when the Cardinals win the World Series. Remember this wouldn’t be the only deal the Cardinals would be making. I’m sure they’ll look to get some bullpen help too.
Just stop lol trading away the MVP of the NL would make them better…come on
Agree to disagree my man. Come playoff time the only thing that matters is pitching, and the Cardinals would be unstoppable with Castillo, Wainwright, and Montas headlining their rotation.
You’re funny.
Legimitately all of it. If you think any piece of this makes ANY sense at all, aside from “Cardinal need pitching” is either a troll job or the biggest illustration as to the failure of the American education system. I hope you got an adult’s permission before going on the internet
he’s got to be trolling… I’m not sure ANYONE is this clueless
Glad you aren’t a GM
@baseballfan – Are you over 14?
You are not good at baseball knowledge obviously with your trade proposals. It would take Castillo, Mahle, and all of your top 5 prospects to get Goldy or Arenado year alone both.
I am good enough to waste your time on this thread
umm baseballfan90 can you pass some of that 60’s lsd i heard so much about and that killer weed, because trading goldy and nolan for 2 pitchers would destroy this team. trading our 2 best defensive and offensive players for 2 pitchers severely weakens our team. heck with your proposal while we’re at let’s trade edman, carlson, and half our farm for soto because that will get us a chip. in all seriousness lay off the hallucinogens. unless you wanna end up like the guy in rosetta stoned and forgetting your pen and sh17ing the bed
Jeez talk about giving up the farm. Your proposal is frankly ludicrous. There’s no way the Cardinals would or should throw in Edman and Carlson too when they’d already be including Arenado and Goldy. If they did that, then the Cards would be the one on drugs and mudding the bed.
@bbfan90 wow you must be dense my proposal was making fun of your proposal to trade our 2 best players for 2 sp’s. if we trade goldy and nolan we might as well sell off the rest of the team because without goldy and nolan we’re fighting pit and chc for 2nd while being 14+ games out of a playoff spot.
My proposal was pretty good and I think a lot of people in this thread would agree with me.
Getting Mo fired might be worth it?????
No way would Mo get fired
This must be sarcasm You have to know the Cards would never move Goldy. And he’s quietly having an outstanding season btw
Then they aren’t getting Castillo and Montas and won’t win the WS
stop smoking that stuff. it’s killing your brain cells
Bless your heart
Smoking the right stuff is good for your brain, doesn’t anyone look into college study on THC and the brain?
Arenado has a no trade clause and wants to play on a playoff team
Exactly! See someone gets it
This guy is pulling your leg everyone.
Yea man some of these people on this thread don’t realize teams just won’t give away all star talent for unproven commodities.
He’s being facetious everyone…don’t feed the bear…some people just need attention
I always accidentally type in mobtraderumors on my phone when trying to access the site. Anyone else do that?
All Joe Pesci characters being discussed for the entire cast of the Sopranos. More to come…
Every roster needs a few Goodfellas…
The mob doesn’t have very good rumors. Everything is always “an offer they can’t refuse.” So no room for rumors.
my guess is that unknown AL team is the Angels. They desperately need a SS.
Luis Rengifo and Andrew Velazquez can handle the position for the rest of the season. Doubt the Angels are going to make a move to bring in a guy like ones they already have. They’re just playing out the season.
I would looove to see Plesac AND Civale in STL do THIS Mozelak
Get Austin hedges too while you’re at it
Teams should have simply drafted Gorman. How he fell to the Cardinals at the 19th pick is shocking
I’m sure the Cardinals were all leaping up and down when he was still available
Gorman isn’t going anywhere except for Soto
Where there is smoke, there is fire. Regardless which team is involved, I suspect the Cardinals will make a major trade soon. Yippee!
It just feels like the Cards are going to outbid the Yankees and Padres for Soto.
Their willingness to move promoted prospects seems like it will push them over the top, even if those guys haven’t been doing great.
The huge upside to players like that is they are already ready to jump on to their major league roster.
Yankees picked up Benintendi. I don’t see them emptying their farm system for Soto with Judge’s pending free agency. This isn’t George Steinbrenner’s Yankees, Hal will not pay big money deals to Soto, Judge, Stanton, and Cole meaning either they let Judge walk or have to trade Stanton, which would prove incredibly difficult with his full no-trade claus unless the Dodgers came calling
I was just starting to see all the hype about Gorman and now it seems he will be moved for one need or another.
There’s an unknown AL GM out there interested in Sosa? Seems like at this point in his career, at best a utility guy? If St Louis is looking to move him, probably not gonna get a player in return. If this unknown GM offers cash, maybe take it?
I could see the Tigers making an offer of Schoop & Skubal for Sosa & Gorman, they might even be talked into Jimenez too. But add Soto to the trade for another very good prospect.
Moving Sosa in a deal for Montas wouldn’t hurt my feelings.
I’m not big on dealing for Soto (think it’ll be hard to get enough pitching while paying those big 3 bats), but if you move Gorman in a deal for Soto, you move Edman back to 2B full time, and recall Dejong to play SS.
I’d like to see us go hard after both Montas and Castilla. Deal from some of of our minor league pitching depth that isn’t ready.
Hey buddy sooners fan huh? Finally nice to have a head coach that gives a hoot about defense no more arcade football in Norman cheers buddy
Cards need pitching, not Soto.
The A’s better not be looking at another shortstop , and especially one with a .189 batting avg . I want Michael Mcgreevy from the Cards for Montas .
Give you Liberatore instead…
If you trade Sosa, it will be for a lower level prospect. They then would return Dejong to the active roaster!
If I’m DeJong i don’t want to return to the active roaster…
A 53 year old Sammy Sosa has more value than Edmundo.
No one is taking Sosa and especially DeJong and the $12M still owed him. If the Cards are going to get a Plesac, Civale or Lopez its going to cost you 2 top 10 prospects and a 3rd in your top 30.
In addition, Cards fans are way overvaluing Gorman who is playing out of position and projects right now as an Ian Happ type player.
I don’t think it’s the Cardinals fans overvaluing Gorman. Maybe the sports writers or other teams. He is not playing out of position. He has played second base since Nolan A. came aboard and 2nd base is his home. That power plays big time at second and his defense has been pretty decent. If I recall Happ was an all star this year. That sounds pretty ok to me.
He blows every close game the Mets are in.
No one is taking Sosa and especially DeJong and the $12M still owed him. If the Cards are going to get a Plesac, Civale or Lopez its going to cost you 2 top 10 prospects and a 3rd in your top 30.
Gorman will likely put up Schwarber numbers while actually playing second base surprisingly well. What does Schwarber make while profiling as a dh that plays some outfield? Pay Gorman peanuts for the next few years and invest the savings in the bullpen. As much as I would like to see the Cardinals make a big move, I want them to hold on to Walker, Gorman, and Wynn. Now if you want to talk about Yepez,Nunez, and Nootbaar for an arm like Lopez from Florida I am all ears.
Bingo!
Cards should get skubal and Castillo. They don’t need anything other than pitching. Gorman is still 22 and just wait he will end up a 40hr type in couple yrs. Plus they have some good prospects coming up. Pitching is there needs
@pickle no way card or the brew (i threw the brew in there because there in the same division) trade for castillo, interdivsion trades rarely happens and in this case no nlc team has love for the cards so it’s going to take a soto like package to get him.
Not sure on that overvaluation of Gorman. He’s young and in his second month of mlb pitching.
The reason the cards are so talked about is because they have a very good pool of mlb talent young and controlled. Donovan may be ROY in NL, Gorman and Liberatore mlb top 25 guys in the past year, Bader and O’Neil both gold glove candidates (and O’Neil carried the team last Sept as NL player of month), Dylan Carlson…and that doesn’t count the two mlb top 50 prospects in A ball ( Cards #1-2 prospects).
Don’t forget also the prospects the cards have trades away in recent years…Alcantara and Arozarena. It’s no wonder teams are calling the cards
Nobody is getting Soto at this trade deadline unless they are willing to commit to a historic overpay in prospects and extension $$. The Nationals almost certainly will be able to get the same offers or better this winter that the Redbirds, Pads etc are offering this week in the middle of a pennant race w/ no FA available to fill the holes a departure would create.
Zues – what is your logic behind the Nats certainly getting same or better offer this winter?
I really like Sosa. I’m not surprised another team would be interested in giving him a shot. I feel the Cardinals have taken a strange approach to his development and now he’s out of options.
If it were up to me, I would offer Sosa a two year extension if he would agree to go to AAA for the rest of the season and learn to play CF. The Cards need more depth in center and Sosa has the athletic traits to play it well. They can call up DeJong for the remainder of the season to play a utility IF role and possibly showcase him for an offseason trade. There is nothing to be gained by keeping him in the minors.
I’m fine with trading Gorman. He has been better than expected with the glove, and his bat is explosive. But in the short term he’s easily replaceable and Walker profiles as the same kind of hitter. If Gorman gets us a solid SP, make the move.
Gorman and Soto plus another 2 prospects for Montas,and Blackburn
sosa hasn’t gotten an extended chance to play, eveyday.
Gorman is the type of player where he’ll give you below average defense at the keystone. 230-250 avg. 25-35 HR with 80 rbi and 150 k’s if he gets 600 AB.
Gorman is touted in so many deals because a) he’s a very well regarded prospect (#28 overall preseason Baseball Prospectus), b) he’s in his first year of club control, c) the Cardinals have other options and d) his BEST position is 3B, and that’s occupied.
With the likelihood of the shift going away maybe as soon as next year, it makes a lot of sense for Stl to move Gorman to fill other needs since the club values defense more than most.. The real question is, are they better off acquiring a Montas or Castillo (and perhaps a bullpen arm) while retaining most of their top shelf prospects or shipping a sizeable haul of MLB and near ready MLB players for Soto? I don’t see both as realistic for a team that values its prospects and isn’t likely to completely empty the farm.
As for Edmundo Sosa, I can see him bringing in a veteran bullpen arm, especially a LH reliever..
Trading high ceiling controllable young players for rentals is risky. I don’t see them Trading a young controllable power bat like Gorman for rentals.
I have a feeling whatever happens will be way different than all the assumptions I’m seeing(and the ones that keep rolling around in my head).