The rebuilding A’s are getting plenty of interest in catcher Sean Murphy, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes in his latest notes column. A deal isn’t necessarily likely, given the 27-year-old’s three remaining seasons of club control beyond the current campaign, but Oakland does have a pair of highly touted catchers progressing through the minors in Shea Langeliers and Tyler Soderstrom. Langeliers, acquired from the Braves in the offseason Matt Olson trade, is particularly close to the big leagues, having slashed .267/.356/.503 with 17 homers, 14 doubles, a pair of triples and five steals (in five tries) through 77 Triple-A games this season.
Because of that remaining club control, Murphy would make sense for contenders and non-contenders alike (as recently explored by MLBTR’s Darragh McDonald). Postseason hopefuls like the Mets, Rays and Guardians (among others) have received poor production from their backstops this season and, speculatively speaking, would be candidates to improve behind the plate. At the same time, current non-contenders with holes or underwhelming production behind the plate could look to Murphy as a potential key contributor for 2023 and beyond. For instance, the Marlins’ efforts to land their catcher of the future have yet to bear fruit, as Jacob Stallings has struggled mightily in his first season with the Fish. Over in Colorado, the three-year extension given to Elias Diaz looks like a misstep, given his .237/.294/.378 batting line and deteriorated defensive ratings.
Murphy is only arbitration-eligible for the first time this winter, so his payroll shouldn’t be much of a consideration for any team looking to acquire him. His exact salary won’t be known until the offseason, but Murphy’s pre-arbitration resume won’t be as decorated as that of fellow trade candidate Willson Contreras, who earned $4.5MM in his first trip through the process. In terms of counting stats, Murphy currently compares favorably to Mitch Garver’s pre-arb platform — Garver earned $1.875MM — but he still has the remainder of the season to add to those totals. Murphy’s 2021 Gold Glove Award will deservedly work in his favor, likely pushing him a ways past that Garver point, but generally speaking, he’s not going to break the bank in terms of salary just yet.
While few teams are going to dramatically alter their valuation based on a couple weeks of playing time, a well-timed hot streak like the one Murphy is currently enjoying can’t hurt the A’s and could give them a slight bit more leverage when negotiating secondary pieces in a potential trade. Murphy has been on fire in July, hitting .333/.395/.515 with a pair of homers and six doubles in 72 trips to the plate. Dating back to June 1, he’s at .291/.354/.454. It’s an arbitrary cutoff, but Murphy’s strong summer reminds that he’s one of the more well-rounded catchers in the game.
Defensively, Murphy is a 2021 Gold Glover who currently boasts a 34% caught-stealing rate and a pair of pickoffs this season. He’s tallied 12 Defensive Runs Saved over the past three seasons, posting perennially strong framing marks along the way. He’s yielded only two passed balls since Opening Day 2021 despite ranking fifth among all Major Leaguers with 1553 innings caught in that time.
It bears repeating that there’s little urgency for Oakland to move Murphy, who’ll be affordable again next season and should command a significant return whether he’s moved in the next week, this offseason, next summer or even in the 2023-24 offseason. At the same time, if a team is prepared to make a substantial offer, there’s little reason for this iteration of the A’s not to consider that offer. The Athletics are extremely unlikely to compete in 2023 after their recent slate of trades (and after the expected trade of Frankie Montas over the next week), and they’re the rare big league team for which catching is a position of organizational strength.
Seems like a good matchup with the Guardians
No they aren’t, they have nothing outside of Nolan Jones the A’s would want. There’s about a dozen teams who can clear any Guardians package, including the Twins.
You are truly naive if you think that is all the A’s would be interested in. There are plenty of interesting prospects in the upper minors CLE would have interest in dealing. They have one of the top systems in baseball.
@iang2424- the A’s would be interested in Anthony Volpe for Murph right? Would you throw in Montas also? Lolololololol!
Not sure what you’re implying? I’m not an idiot who thinks Murphy nets a Top 20/30 prospect in the game. Solid enough with control to get a least 1 in the middle of the Top 100 and maybe another fringe Top 100. I don’t care what either team does but saying Nolan Jones is the only guy that would interest the A’s doesn’t make sense.
Farm system rankings are very subjective as is prospect rankings…
Most fans typically look at mlb pipeline, some that want to dig deeper will follow baseball American and baseball prospectus and then there are several others (fangraphs as a personal favorite) that look at systems in a completely different way.
I like fangraphs because they rank systems based on future dollars, assigning future value ranks a dollar figure and then add up how future values of 40 (for them 40 will be a ml caliber player) add them up and assign ranking. For fangraphs, Cleveland is ranked third overall with a future value of 339 million.
Yes that’s who I was looking at when reviewing it quickly. They have 7 guys at a 50 FV or higher and that was in April before the season started so guy like Williams or Bo might actually be higher than they were.
Murphy has trade value but he isn’t netting a top 10 prospect.
Murphy’s value is a large package of intriguing talent, similar to what the cubs received in the darvish trade, more so than an elite prospect.
Elite players can be traded for elite prospects, Murphy isn’t elite but his trade package will have a lot more future value in it than say Contreras but no one in a Murphy trade will be ranked as high as what the cubs will get for Contreras but that isn’t a bad thing.
Last season PCA and alcantara were not on a top 100 list, Alcantara was actually ranked below vizcaino. Turn the calendar a year and both players are some of the fastest moving prospects in terms of ranking in baseball. Where darling Nick Madrigal has stumbled mightily
A’sfan you disqualified yourself as having any clue when you suggested that Cleveland has a poor farm system. Nolan Jones is the best name you could come up with when they have guys like Espino, Valera, and Tyler Freeman on that list and that’s just a few guys they have more.
Sean Murphy clears Pete Alonso in no doubter % this season, I feel like many of you aren’t grasping how talented Murphy is. He’s a top 50 player in MLB as of right now – that gets you back a HAUL.
He is not top 50. He is an upgrade at a position that is week in talent. That doesn’t make him great, just better than worse options. You really don’t know baseball. Just stop, I really am starting to feel sorry for you now
@A’sfaninUK- top 50 player in MLB? Lolololololololol!!! Maybe top 50 player in the UK!!!
Lmao you actually just called Sean Murphy a top 50 player in all of baseball. You keep putting your foot in your mouth man I get you’re an A’s fan and you value Murphy alot and he’s really talented but saying he’s a top 50 player is just insane. My advice is to just quit while you’re behind… way behind.
Murphy will net multiple great young prospects and players for the A’s.
There could very well be a Top 10 prospect in the deal
and, undoubtedly, multiple great young prospects with big upside.
Lol Murphy isn’t a top 50 player in the AL West let alone the league…
A.) no one cares about how far you hit home runs.
B.) his WAR has him tied for 152… far cry from “top 50”
C.) he isn’t on pace to clear 3 WAR this year, didn’t do it last year and he is near 28 years old already. A 3 WAR player is not getting you a “haul”… a guy who’s on pace for 2 WAR definitely isn’t getting you a haul
@gojays77-I mean give him a bit of a break I guess. He lives in the UK and comes up for air every 20 minutes. Poor kid.
OK lets see where he ranks in catchers. #1 in games, #1 in hits, #1 in 2B, #6 in home runs, #3 in RBIs#6 in average, #5 in OBA, #4 in ops. #1 in defensive rating. That would equal to one of the top 3 catchers in baseball.
Olson may or may not be top50 (I think he is), but he’s the best CA in baseball (that is worth something)
Not according to WAR he isn’t.
Sean Murphy 1.7 WAR
Jt realumto 2.7
Willson Contreras 2.8
Adly Rutschman 1.7
Jose Trevino 2.3
Will Smith 2.9
Alejandro Kirk 3.4
Cal Raleigh 1.7
Johan heim 2.4
Christian Velasquez 1.7
That’s 9 players with a war as high or higher than him…
The problem with WAR projections on Murphy is he is on the second worse team in baseball which devalues him in WAR projections. For example Kirk who is a offensive player but a terrible catcher. So his WAR value is solely based on offensive numbers. Johan Heim another guy whose value is based on offensive numbers. WAR gives very little to catching defense and handling of a pitching staff. Murphy has the 2nd best defensive ratings in MLB. JT is #1 rated. Neither Kirk or Heim is even in the top catchers defensively.
I beg to differ that Heim is not top catchers defensively. baseballsavant.mlb.com/catcher_framing?year=2022&#…
Or Kirk for that matter when it comes to that page.
So you pick and choose 1 stat to say Heim is a top defensive catcher.
Right yeah that’s what they always say about WAR is that it’s bias towards winning teams….
Here just for ya. Page that even shows Murphy is around the top at multiple defensive categories and Heim is right there with him. If you’re judging Heim not being a good defensive catcher based on the fact he has no doubt struggled to throw runners then you’re looking at the position completely wrong. He is a top framer. He has a 4 DZR and 6.9 DWar on fangraphs so idk what else you want me to show you. Basic fielding? 3 errors. Will he replicate his offense next year? Who knows but for two years in a row he has been a very solid defensive catcher near the top in multiple categories.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=fld�…
Oh, drasco, with your pesky facts and statistics. Be careful or you’ll send A’s fan into a tizzy what with all of that countering his obnoxious nonsense with basic reality.
WAR is over rated without looking at any other factors.
@A’sfaninUK
What teams do you think will try to trade for him and which of their prospects do you expect the A’s to get in return?
Your teams position in the standings has absolutely NO effect on WAR’s calculations. In fact the stats entire purpose is to eliminate such factors.
Tell me you know nothing about the Guardians farm system without telling me you know nothing about the Guardians farm system.
Tell me you know nothing about the Sean Murphy’s trade value without telling me you know nothing about Sean Murphy’s trade value.
Cleveland has a great system not sure what you’re talking about.
They do have a great system, I literally never argued that (funny how often people who are losing the argument will straight up change the topic on you without telling you).
I’m arguing the A’s will get better packages from other teams.
I’m not losing anything I’m just reading the conversation and your comment looked a lot like you were saying they only had Nolan Jones. Maybe I read it incorrectly but that’s how it came off. I don’t think Sean Murphy is worth what you think he is. Maybe you being an A’s fan is clouding your judgement. Murphy is a good not great catcher with an average bat. He’s not a player that will sway a team’s chances for the better.
Dude. Quit trying to back track. Everyone seen what you wrote. “The Guardians have nothing outside Nolan Jones the A’s would want “ your words. So the A’’s would not want one of the best arms in the minors in Espino? And Gavin Williams is not far off from him. Espino would be your second best pitcher right now. Only question with him is injuries. Yes, the A’s would take a high end prospect rotation piece that throws over 100. Look at the athletics. Not like they couldn’t not use pieces. Last place is lonely.
It literally doesnt matter, the Guardians aren’t getting Murphy, other teams will offer a superior package. The Guardians have a great farm system, but aren’t getting Murphy, he’s too rare and in demand. Teams with better farms will step in.
@Forest city Spiders
Yup, Gavin Williams is not who Beane would want. He wants high end, top 50 prospects, Cleveland dont have any. He also wants ready-now, young high ceiling talent, Jones is the ONLY guy you have like that. Homerism clouds your thoughts, its fine.
Guardians have some good prospects but they would need to give up 1 of their top 2 prospects. Either Daniel Espino or George Valera would need to be in the package for Murphy. We are talking Murphy a gold glove catcher that is not a hole in the hitting lineup with 5 years of arbitration.
No they wouldn’t give up the number 11 prospect in base ball or a top 30 in all of baseball. He isn’t a great player, he is a good catcher when few are available. He isn’t that much of an upgrade over a great defensive catcher with bad bat.
Then why would the A’s trade a catcher that has 5 years of arbitration for some scraps? Unless the guardians is willing to give up a top prospect not their 10 th best prospect it will not happen. Its not like they are getting some old player that is gone next year. Murphy was a top catching prospect just 3 years ago and proven himself in MLB.
10 of Cleveland’s top 12 are major league ready as of next year. All 12 would be number top 2 in Oaklands system. You are an idiot that has no clue what you are talking about. Simply pull up the rankings and look at estimated ready dates. You are the dumbest person I’ve see on here. I’m done, you have earned the mute
@Indiansjoe- I heard that you we’re changing your name to @Guardiansjoe? Lolololololol Did you ask permission lst?
Not saying they wouldn’t put together a good package. But top 2 or 3 in some farm systems isn’t the same in others. Again Cleveland has 8 top 100 ( not that means anything) A’s have 0. There is a big difference in one teams “scraps” and others top. Cleveland has middle infielders in the top 100 that have no future in Cleveland. A package can made.
Lmao, I been indiansjoe for 35 years. They can change but I’m to old. I’d have to adjust all interweb names and go on the TikTok to adjust. Just not worth it
Hey no worries I truly respect you for your loyalty to your team. It’s just funny when I see anything Indians now.
Dumbest person is thinking a top young catcher with a gold glove would cost a team a few low prospects.. FYI the A’s have 3 players in top 100 prospects but 2 in the top 30 range are both catchers is why the A’s could trade Murphy.
I’ll admit I missed both catches were in top 100, still you can only play so many catchers in a game. And by the way, I hope Cleveland doesn’t trade for Murphy. I’d much rather wait til Toronto puts their catchers on the market
A’sfaninUK
The Guardians have a great farm system, but aren’t getting Murphy, …Teams with better farms will step in.
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If Cleveland has a great farm system, how many teams have better farm systems?
I agree that they won’t get him, but that’s because they generally don’t trade prospects. But you’re acting like Cleveland doesn’t have the ammunition to land him, and they certainly do.
It’ll be Danny Jansen imo that gets put on the market in the offseason. Kirk isn’t going anywhere, my guess is Moreno isn’t either.
Dude. Okay. You have no idea what you are talking about at all. Maybe the A’s being trash and moving soon has got you intoxicated. Guardians farm is loaded. Smh
Actually, according to Spotrac Murphy only has 3 more years after this one. He’s an UFA after the 2025 season.
Langeliers was 31, soderstrom 35, and gelof 81 in mlb pipeline recent update of top 100
Murphy is a good not great catcher? Murphy is a top 3 defensive catcher among regular starters in the game, arguably best. This is coming from a Mariners fan.
Indiansjoe: Either wait for Toronto or wait & see if Bo Naylor is ready.
Did you just say nothing outside of Nolan Jones? Do the world a favor. Take a season off and learn baseball and come back when you educated. Cleveland has a very deep farm system. Haha. Noting outside Nolan Jones? lol
So the guardians have a slew of middle infield prospects that would be in oaklands top 10, 2 outfielders that would be top 3, 4 pitchers that would make oaklands top 5 but Oakland would only be interested in Cleveland’s number 8 prospect? It’s fine, but your in for a world of disappointment when you see what they get for him. lol
Win one ring first, the A’s own you hahahaha
Prospects dont mean anything to Beane btw
That’s a big blow. The Indians won a World Series in 1954. Who was President? Just ask @Guardiansjoe
So would Murphy be the Guardians #1 catcher for the next 5 years? Of course he would be. So why wouldn’t he cost a top 50 prospect? Who would be the center piece in a trade? Do not say Nolan Jones because his star is falling fast and is a DH.
Nolan Jones has played very well since getting to the majors and may not have position in the outfield. Freeman, roccio, arias, and tena all are close to the majors and middle infielders that would top a’s farm. Logan Allen is top 100, and is close to majors( though he has struggled since promotion to aaa), and a slew of othe interesting guys like Brennan, Noel and curry just to name a few. The A’s need good prospects and a lot of them, not 1 elite. I hope Gavin Williams and Valera are kept in Cleveland. Im not even saying any one is off limits. I just don’t see Murphy getting our top 3, I am not sold on Espinino because of injuries, but I’m not the gm
First 3 years of arbitration after this year. Rocchio is a good start. Switch hitting SS that has been hitting well since June. The next pieces vary. Curry is a AAA arm that is intriguing. Noel is probably a no but Greene/Battenfield are some interesting guys
There’s probably another guy inside their Top 10 on Fangraphs that would be included
Unlike UK A’s fan I see Indians have many good prospects but Murphy would be the best Catcher on trade market by far so it would need to be a big splash to get him. That is why it would cost them a big name prospect. A’s GM has made many bad trades this year and just gave away players for injured prospects so I have no faith in him doing a good trade. Too many times he trade for quantity than for quality.
ARC 2
So would Murphy be the Guardians #1 catcher for the next 5 years? Of course he would be.
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What with you and the UK As fan today? According to B-R, Murphy is a FA after 2025. That’s 3 years, not 5 years. That’s 40% less value than you think he has.
Just to put this in a nice way, I like Murphy and would like to see the RS put an offer on the table. But you and UKA’sfan have to do your homework before discussing what you think you’re going to get for him.
@joebrady. Ok 3 and a half years but he has big time value. problem with many fans here is they think they can get a proven MLB player who is the best defensive catching in the AL for some mid prospects. Please don’t say Nolan Jones he is a throw in player. who is same age as Murphy and can’t play defense. So do Guardian fans want to win now or 5 years from now? There are other teams that can offer great deals for Murphy so Guardians should put up the best deal. So what would be your offer that is fair? Please no A ball prospect which is way off.
Three years left, and yes, he has a lot of value. But you aren’t clearing the table. UKAsfan must think the As are going to get a haul. I can make an easy argument for 5 other catchers being just as valuable, and maybe another 3-4 catchers that aren’t as good, but still real valuable.
All that caps Murphy’s value. Not all these guys will be on the market, Just for discussion purposes, if 3 years of Murphy is worth 2 top-50 prospects, what would 5 years of Ruiz be worth? If I had a choice between 2 50s for Murphy, or one 50 for Ruiz, I’d go with Ruiz.
@joebrady Who said he would be worth 2 top 50 prospects.? I said it would take 1 of their top prospects not 2. So now you are exaggerating. When asked what would be a fair trade offer you are silent. He is a top 3 catcher in baseball like it or not. Problem is you think it will cost NOTHING to get him. So post a fair trade offer so i can do what you are good at.
Let’s say he is top-3. Is that on ability, or value? Because the guys with 4+ years left have to pro-rated up on the value scale. That said, as a RS fan, I’d part with Casas easily. Mayers a definitely no. Yorke is a maybe. Anyone else you can have, but none of them would go 1-for-1, and I’d have to think about how to even it out.
Even though Asfan doesn’t think Cleveland has the goods to trade for Murphy, I wouldn’t take Murphy even-up for Espino (assuming Espino is healthy).
Going in a different direction, I would give up Mayer, reluctantly, for Moreno, maybe. And I’d give up Mayer+ for Rutschman. And maybe give up Yorke for Stephenson. Maybe that helps you frame how I value him v other catchers.
Since Casas doesn’t have power it would be a pass. If he did have power RS wouldn’t be thinking of trading him. RS should be more concerned with holding on to their prospects because their farm system is very weak. Their Catcher CV is solid enough where they do not to trade for Murphy. it would be a waste of prospects for RS to trade for a position they don’t need to upgrade.
RS need to up grade their pitching. their starting staff is old and breaks down. They should be thinking of being a seller not a buyer. RS only chance of being competitive in the next few years is spend big on free agents.
Just random-
CV is a FA after this year. I wouldn’t mind extending him, because of the shortage of catchers out there, but I dread seeing what he looks like every spring. He is not the model of conditioning. I don’t think our catching prospects are ML starters, so we need to start looking.
I agree we should be sellers, but buying a guy with three years of control is still forward-looking.
I think we completely overhaul the rotation. Trade Eovaldi, Wacha & Hill. Start 2023 with Sale, Paxton (if healthy this year), Pivetta, Crawford, and Winckowski. Maybe look at Clevinger and/or Musgrove.
RS would be competing against a lot of clubs needing a catcher so somebody will over bid for Murphy. Murphy is a better catcher than on paper. He has a starting staff of only 1 quality starter and making the A’s staff solid with back of rotation starters.
RS need to look for a good quality OF and 2B in trades along with pitching.
Um, A’s fan UK, you forgot to work the word “literally” into your post.
Mayer+ for Rutschman? LOL. The way that’s stated is disrespectful. Try Mayer, Yorke, Bello, Mata, and more… and even then I’m probably declining because why would you trade a potential Posey-esque catcher for anything less than a decade-changing haul? The Red Sox can’t offer that.
And “maybe” Yorke for Stephenson? Yeah, you lost any credibility about your analysis and valuation of catchers with this insanity. So you don’t value catchers. Fine. That doesn’t mean the people who are actually in charge of teams don’t. All those catchers would take significantly more than you’re suggesting, especially as they’re controllable.
ARC did you just say Casas has no power?
When someone says Mayer+, and without having a clue to what the “+” might mean, says that it is disrespectful, that just means they are looking for an argument.
IRT Stephenson, I drafted him on most of my rotisserie teams, so there probably aren’t a lot of people that like him more than I do. The problem is that somehow the Reds managed to chew up 2 years of service time despite him only having 533 ABs. The second issue is that he has a concussion issue, and that is huge for a catcher. If I were assured of 4 years of catching, then he is worth more than Yorke.
You don’t suggest or state it “Mayer+” without indicating the rest of the return is much lesser. I named arguably their top 4 prospects depending how you feel about Casas. If he truly wants to trade the top 5 organizational prospects, he’d state it; otherwise the suggestion can be viewed as usual ideas like Mayer, maybe another 5-8, and two 10-20 like most typical proposals and there is absolutely no chance of that.
I said Mayer+ because I wasn’t going to do a lot (any really) research on something that will never happen. It was just my way of explaining how I rank Murphy relative to the farm system that I am most familiar with.
That you took “Mayer+” and extrapolated that into Mayer, a 5-8, and two 10-20 types, is just something you’re making up.
they have nothing outside of Nolan Jones the A’s would want.
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ROTFLMAO!!!!
That’s right, that comment warranted four !!!!.
So the As have no interest in Espino? 1st round pick, ranked in the pre-2022 top 60, has a 35/4 K/W in AA at age 21, can bring it > 100. No interest?
It’s just a foolish statement to make. If you made the comment without looking, fine. But to post the comment just castigate someone else’s comment, you should really do the research.
Everyone would be interested.
And no interest in Rocchio, another 22 y.o. top-70 prospect having a good year in AA?
They have Bo Naylor at AAA who’s having a good season, he should be ready next year, don’t really need Murphy.
Yes, Sandy Alomar is one of the best at finishing off Catchers at the ML level.
Assume Cleveland will be looking for a veteran backup Catcher for 2023 to backstop Naylor. Not sure they keep Luke Maile.
Austin Hedges shouldn’t have a problem in FA finding a team. Start with Tigers and White Sox in the AL Central.
There’s so many unintelligent comments here. Cleveland has one of the deepest farm systems in baseball. To say that they couldn’t put together a package for Murphy is beyond naive. Stop just googling the rankings. Gavin Williams is an elite prospect. The only reason he just entered the top 100 is because he was a late first round draft pick from last year. He’ll probably be in the top 50 at seasons end. It’s not about what your ranking is, it’s what he’s projected to do in the major leagues and his stuff plays as a future number 1 or number 2. I’m not even mentioning Espino or Valera as just them alone with 6+ years of control would probably get Murphy.
Has the rules changed now to where a player has 5 years of arbitration? That’s new to me.
On Cleveland’s end of it, Murphy makes a lot of sense. He’s controlled for three more years. They have an up and coming prospect in Bo Naylor who has had a great year at AAA. I think they could nicely blend Murphy and Naylor in together for the next couple of years and then turn the full reigns over to Naylor.
@dixoncayne; this story came in around 10:00 am, I believe? Congrats on being the 1st to post. So far, from your single sentence post there have been 62 responses to it (and counting). Epic. Entertaining. Thank you.
A’s Billy Beane will wait patiently for the best offer regarding Montas, Murphy at al. No rush at all at this juncture.
David Forst is the GM
It doesn’t matter, Beane still makes the decisions and signs off on Forst’s.
What does Beane do with Forst?
And you know this how?
@passed_balls- I was asking a question, that I figured you would know with your screen name?
My comment was for know it all, AsFaninUk
@passed_balls- of course you would know that!
No rush at all at this juncture.
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7.5 days left. Murphy they can keep, since teams don’t trade for catchers to put them over the top. But Montas has 1.2 years left, and has some minor health problems this year. I’d bet serious money that he gets traded in the next 7.5 days, and that is not a huge amount of time.
How is Murphy not the same player as JT Realmuto, but with elite power? Murphy’s bat profile is still being worked on, but he has been on fire all July and has one of the top 20 offensive players of the month in MLB. His defense is already known elite. The A’s can get a massive, massive haul for him if they moved him now.
Not for Peraza, unless they wanna give the Yankees their injured pitcher Frankie Montas also? Castillo is better then Montas anyway. The Yankees missing piece is Mr. Castillo. Nobody really wants Mr. Catcher Interference. We love our All-Star Jose Trevino, so no Murph.
Injured? He literally just pitched 2 days ago, smh another Yankees fan mouthing off cluelessness, how do Yankees fans always never know a lick of ball on here???
@A’sfaninUK- just do all of us a big favor: stay in the UK where you truly belong. What’d you do? Watch the games on Direc TV with your 70’s A’s jersey on? Wow what a big fan! Smh
What does where I live matter here? You just got owned and cant handle it, huh?
Its not my fault you dont know anything about baseball, yet come on here and act like you do. You Yankees fans are all the same, you have 1 ring in the last 21 years but act like you won every year. Even Cardinals fans don’t do that.
Whats up with all this Yankee love for Volpe?
Hes batting .252 in the AA
Theres a reason why they are called Prospects
Cause most of them dont pan out
Trust me as a Cub Fan I know
@Junior25 he may be batting .252 but he was batting under .200 not long ago. He’s on fire and playing like he did last season. You do realize how young he is right? The Yankees love him because he’s a super young super talented SS prospect with speed and power and a personality they love. If he’s so horrible then why has every team they’ve engaged in talks asked for him?
To be fair, the Cubs traded most of the prospects who did pan out to the White Sox
@A’sfaninUK- let’s get this straight. I came here on this site and got owned from some idiot like yourself, that doesn’t even live in this Country? That doesn’t make ANY sense, just like the minor league team that you pretend to root for. I know a lot more about baseball then you do. The Yankees have 27 rings. How many rings do your precious A’s have? Exactly, enjoy rooting for your minor league team, in another Country!
@junior25- my NL team are the Cubs. Trust me I feel your pain. I see a lot of Jeter in Volpe. Nobody struggled in the minors more then Jeter. I think one season at AA or AAA, he made almost 40 errors playing shortstop. Look how good his career went. Not saying Volpe is Jeter, but if he could be half of Jeter was any Yankees fan would take it. Volpe will most likely play 2nd base when he’s called up in a few years. Make no mistake this kid is a gamer that any team in baseball would be lucky to have. If the Yankees and Cubs are playing in the World Series I got to root for the Yankees in 7 games. (Hopefully that game would be won in NY)
@Chemo850- let’s try not to remember
@Captain Judge99
“lets get this straight”
/spouts insanity nonstop
lmao wow dude, wow. troll game on 1000. I broke your brain SO hard.
Ever teams fan base has players they fall in love with. Nothing wrong with it. But if that guy makes it, he is made in that organization because fans pulled for him from the beginning
A’sfaninUK- Got to ask you. How’s life living in the UK, rooting for such a loser of a team? Maybe you should ask Siri lst? You do have Siri in the UK right? Lol
@Guardiansjoe- No nothing at all to have a man-crush on someone that plays for YOUR team. If they play for ANOTHER team then that’s considered adultery.
@A’sfaninUk- C’mon, your as straight as your front office. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Ok, some of A’s fans comments are just completely wrong, but because you are a fan for a better team does not make you more right than a fan for a poorer team. Murphy and Montas could get a top 20 prospect, remember on July 5, 2014, Samardzija, along with Jason Hammel, was traded to the Oakland Athletics in exchange for top shortstop Addison Russell, pitcher Dan Straily, outfielder Billy McKinney. I am not prepared to say that Volpe will be the next Jeter any more than I would say that he could be the next Addison Russell. What I do know. Sean Murphy is not a top 50 player in baseball. Will Smith and A. Kirk might not even be top 50 players in baseball and both are above Murphy. What murphy is – a good, solid catcher, with some pop and cheap for three and a third seasons. That is worth pretty close to Volpe, but the Yankees will never ever make that deal. They can trade Randy Vasquez and Justin Lange to Cubs for two month rental of Contreras (three months with post-season). Personally, I think there are 5 teams that have a shot Yankees, Astros, Dodgers, Braves and Mets. Mets need a healthy deGrom or they won’t make it. Yankees will get Contreras. Mariners will outbid Yankees for castillo unless Yankees are ready to part with Jasson Dominquez and I do not think that they will.
Volpe is 21, OBP .345, 13 home runs and plays SS. You need to learn how to better evaluate players. His stats are very promising for his age/level/position. But, oh yea, cuz batting average. Derp.
@Manny- I love Contreras but he’s not getting traded to the Yankees. NY is very happy with Jose Trevino. I was wrong about this kid he’s been great! It all depends what the Mariners would offer for Castillo to get him. It definitely looks like Dominguez or Peraza will be heading to Cincinnati with Ken Waldichuk with their AAA catcher Josh Breaux. Cincy has interest in minor leaguer Will Warren also. We’ll see what happens. The A’s need to be better to their fans and move to Las Vegas. It’s very sad actually.
Do you actually think Trevino is better than Murphy? If so, that’s hilarious.
Murphy is not only two full years younger, he’s actually been good for more than just this year. Maybe it’s because the Mariners have to play him a lot so I see his value repeatedly every season, but Murphy is being undervalued in this thread.
In addition, think of the protection all hitters in the Yankees lineup benefit from. They are stacked and Trevino’s stats are better because of it. Murphy has 0 protection, as do the rest of the miserable lineup.
Twins all over!
Him and Jeffers would make a nice pairing over the next few years
Zaidi needs to try to obtain Murphy and send Bart back to AAA for rest of season.
Bart has an OPS of .782 in July.
Zaidi knows what he is doing.
How else would he win 107 games last year with a bunch of declining veterans,
retreads and “stuntmen”.?!
Better yet, Zaidi put together a package deal to include Murphy and Montas. Trade Bart (giving him a fresh start), Ramos and Rogers to A’s.
@Redwolves3 I say “you dont know ball” often on here, but you, you know ball. Good package. Not sure if the A’s will want to keep acquiring catchers when they have so many now, but that talent level is about right.
Apparently neither of you knows ball. That package stinks. And it’s already been established Bart is a complete bust so it’s effectively a 2 for 2 trade. No thanks.
“Bart is a complete bust”
“You dont know ball”
LMAO the audacity. Just…too dumb for words. Muting.
My highly premature to call Bart a bust. Hitting well since he came back up. .782 OPS in July
I’m not writing him off, but that .782 came with a .391 BABIP. When that normalizes to .300, his overall OPS will take a huge hit. His July M/W is 16/3, and that’s been his downfall even in AAA. He is just like Adell, Marsh, Dalbec, etc. If the K/W doesn’t improve, he won’t hit.
And A’s wouldn’t want a catcher in return if they deem Shea langeliers ready to go
So what would it cost for Mr. Catcher Interference, and a injured Frankie Montas? Montas is a TJ waiting to happen, a flamethrower that already is hurt.
You are aware that Montas pitched four days ago right?
And you are aware that in that start 4 days ago he only pitched 3 innings so it looks as if Oakland is bringing him back slowly so injury concerns are valid in his case. If Oakland indeed is looking to move him especially to a contender, the team that trades for him can’t afford to clear their farm out for a guy that can’t sooner than later step in and help.
You are still crying over 1 pitch LOL typical Yankees fan….when did you guys become such crybabies? 1 ring in 20 years but you act like you are still top dogs?
The Cardinals, Giants and Red Sox all more relevant than Yankees in 2022, WAKE UP!
The Red Sox and Giants are two dead teams what are you talking about? Lol your comments seem to get more and more desperate as this conversation drags on. Boston is in the midst of one of the worst if not the worst stretches in team history and according to you they are more relevant than the Yankees who are in first by 13 games. The Giants sat on their hands this past off season adding nothing to a lineup of AAA players and have quickly fallen out of the contender conversation yet in your mind they’re more relevant than New York? Dude you are the one who doesn’t know baseball.
Maybe he missed the 28 run game a couple of two days ago? Maybe he thought Boston was in an international league with the SugarLand Skeeters?
What? You arent a smart one, are you? The Red Sox and Giants have won more titles since 2000 than the Yankees lol your projecting and homerism just makes you look worse and worse. Literally never said “this season” I said “relevant in the 2000s”. Crazy.
If you think I dont know baseball, then I am doing everything right. Have a nice mute, homer.
The Yankees are defintiley more relevant than either the Giants or Red Sox if you are just looking at this year. The Red Sox and Giants are treading water while the Yankees are trending upward. The Red Sox are two losses from falling behind the Baltimore Orioles in the division. The Giants are 2 games out of a WC spot. Between those teams going into the trade deadline, the Yankees are going to be buyers. The Red Sox and Giants are going to retool.
A’ s fan. It literally says 2022 ♀️
@Asfaninuk I thought the others were just picking on you saying you dont know baseball, fo back in the corner and put your finger in your nose ETC. then you post the cardinals, giants and red sox are more revelant. WHAT!!! I guess you dont know baseball. Back in the corner for you
Montas had more value as tor pitching is WAY more valued than catching.
I do like the idea of Yankees going for both vs just a Castillo.
Peraza/waldichuk/Sweeney could get both
No it would not. Sorry but that is reality.
Ah granted that we’re talking about Billy Beane here with respect to a GM who is probably one of if not the best on getting value/need for the A’s when trading away ballplayers from his team, but let’s not overlook BW’s offer of Peraza, Waldichuk, and Sweeney for 2 “established stars”…….after seeing, which I’ve never seen before, Murphy getting 2 catchers interference calls in a single inning, regardless of his Gold Glove defense, and Montas, only having a single season where he actually had 30+ starts which no matter how you look at it matters especially to contending teams, the return of Peraza who might be able to hold his own defensively at SS right now with some help for his bat, Waldichuk who’s lighting it up as a starter at AAA, and Sweeney, another SS candidate who was a 1st round draft choice playing very well, isn’t as “light” as you make it Bruin1012…..your reality may not be what Beane has in mind, and Beane being the astute trader he is knows the value of SS candidates who can switch positions and play all over the diamond along with huge value on young, cheap starting pitching that can always be flipped for even greater value.
My opinion is that the Yankees are typically held up for greater returns than other teams but the reality with any trade is that we’re not privy to what GM’s think their needs and wants are which is a complicated mix of payroll, position need, timing, and judged ability by their organizations…….we just like to debate the possibilities folks!
Rocky I hear you and there is no way to know how the Athletics value Yankee prospects. Just looking at MLB trade values because you know what I don’t know Yankee prospects real well so I have to go on what they say. Those three for Murphy is light according to MLB Trade Values so for both Murphy and Montas it would be a completely underwhelming return it appears. I’m not saying Beane and the Athletics might not value prospects differently but based on what I can see something somewhat tangible it’s not even a close return.
I doubt that.
That would be a light offer for those two established major league stars.
“two established major league stars” is very debatable…….why are potential acquisitions by contending teams always viewed as “established stars”?
Capn it would take a hell of a lot more then you think that I’m willing to guarantee.
Than “you’re willing to guarantee”? Really? And I ask this respectfully mind you…..what is your expertise on the Yankees and their farm?
I’m basing it Murphy who is an established big league catcher and a very good one and very solid big league pitcher. Oh and the catcher isn’t a free agent until 2026 and the pitcher isn’t a free agent till 2024 very solid established big leaguers with control cost a lot. I think your offer of Peraza, Wald and Sweeney is light based on what I can see.for Murphy alone let alone throwing in another established big league pitcher with an extra year of control. Why would Yankee fans even want Murphy since you already have an Allstar catcher with control until 2026 so it makes no sense to even talk about it.
I’ll tell one thing the Yankees fans can confirm it makes a huge difference to not have a butcher defensively as a catcher.
AN INTEREST FOR A CATCHER?
Hope the Blue Jays are in on these talks…
with teams in search of catching…
@Clinton 2- giving up on Gabe Moreno already? That didn’t take long. Smh
I believe Clinton 2 is saying that the Blue Jays need to be in talks with the teams that are talking to the A’s about Murphy, not asking the Blue Jays to trade for Murphy.
Blue Jays would probably be more interested in clearing a path for Moreno by trading from their catching depth rather than trade Moreno.
Moreno and Kirk are almost untouchable. Danny Janssen will be traded for bullpen velocity.
How about the fact that their primary catcher started the All-Star game and their bench catcher has a .913 OPS currently. Nobody is giving up on Moreno. The Jays have two catchers who are performing extremely well both offensively and defensively and are under control for many more seasons. If someone comes knocking with a good deal for Moreno, the Jays would probably take it.
With Molina out and retiring I’d love the Cardinals to go for a Murphy. A’s may take Knizner and a prospect cuz knizner has more years of control and has shown promise in the past.
Knizner? At this time in his career is a throw in a trade.
Did you not read the article? The whole reason why murphy is on the table is because 3 of their top 5 prospects are catchers! Why would they want your table scraps for their elite all-star? Grow up
“Elite” lol c’mon man. I like Murphy, but he’s not elite yet. I say “yet” intentionally because I think he can get there, but he’s a .230 hitter right now. That’s not impressive for a C nowadays.
He’s not a “.230 hitter right now”, he’s currently at .245 When the season is said and done he’ll be in the 5-7 range of top catcher’s in baseball. 70% of the teams in MLB could upgrade with him as their backstop. So I’ll rephrase your point…That’s “impressive for a C nowadays”.
I was thinking of the prospect as the main piece, maybe a few. I was just ssying hed be a cheap stop gsp til their catchers are ready. I agree I did not communicate that well.
Id love for the Redbirds to get him as well, knizer and herrera are not the answer to replace molina. Not sure what it would take to get him. Cards need pitching and another bat as well. The bat wouldnt be as much of an issue if oneill would hit like last season.
Play nice children. Name calling not required.if a trade happens then we will know. Time will tell.
Sure Stallings hasn’t hit this season but doesn’t his framing, game calling and defensive deserve some type of credit? Marlins seem to be a top 5 pitching unit in all of baseball…
Yes.
There isn’t a statistic on a spreadsheet to look at so they judge Catchers by their offensive stats here (sometimes they throw in the silly pitch framing).
I doubt more than a few MLB FO’s do that….if any. Most – if not all – managers want a Catcher that can run a game and handle his pitching staff.
That said nobody has to try the mute button when Samuel speaks. Everyone has done that long ago, just to keep their sanity! It must be really tough being a Royals fan? I can’t feel his pain in his heart, and other places.
If only MLBTR would get the mute option to work on the app. It’s useless without it.
Samuel should be given free tickets to every Royals game, just to keep him off of the site. Since he’s so well liked.
The Rays could use a catcher like Murphy, he’d like playing in Tampa with that team more than the Yanks.
The Yanks should trade the farm for Soto and lose in the ALCS to Boston or the Rays. That would be the ultimate.
@bwmiller- I’m truly fine with Murph being traded to the Sting Rays. If that’s what does it for you. It’s finally nice to see the Sting Rays coming back to earth. The groupon life has definitely caught up with them. At least the Yankees are still paying your rent and electric.
Rays like small ball, pitching and defense, they’d be half way decent with Murphy in the fold.
The thing is when the Yankees are in the playoffs, it’s always a great series and as long as they don’t win the WS, it’s great for baseball.
It really be great if say the Orioles slid into the six seed and picked the Yanks off in the ALDS, that would be the ultimate AL East rub out.
Based on the fact the A’s have traded much better players trash I’mMnot excited about this. And for those homers that are going to argue this. Please tell me the awesome players we got in the off season in those trades and include their phenomenal stats.
We got nothing in return for any of those guys. Pretty despicable. Only hope at this point is Langeliers.
Mets…. Go get him. Murphy is a perfect fit.
We don’t need this guy, we already traded cash to Pittsburgh for our all-star catcher this past weekend. /s
This prospect love is bordering on hilarious. Sean Murphy is a very valuable asset and should not a very nice return. I think a lot of people on this site should actually look at MLB Trade Values it does a pretty good job of evaluating what players are actually worth in a trade. It might help some people realize an established top 5 catcher in the game who isn’t even an free agent until 2026 and absolutely elite defensively is going to get a haul. I think going to MLBTV and punching in your minor league guys value and comparing it to Murphy’s value and you will get an idea. I’m not saying it’s the be all end all but it’s a start and just a little tidbit if the Yankees wanted Murphy it’s going to take a hell of a lot more then Peraza.
I doubt the Yankees have much interest in using any prospect capital to acquire a catcher. Trevino is leading the league in defense at the position and they have more of a longer-term need to fill SS.
Just for sake of reference Murphy is 59 in value and Espino himself is a 52 on MLBTV. For those saying Espino I don’t see that happening. Sometimes not sure how often they update value of performance of guys in the minors. Noel for instance is having a very nice year but worth only 3 in their system. So I think the value based on real life performance lags slightly.
As for the Yankees, I agree that don’t see them making a trade now with what they have done Trevino/Higgy. Tampa or St. Louis I could see if they really wanted to add to their position.
Disregard my statement about Noel as he has hit for power he has been more inconsistent than I thought but I still believe value lags to actually real life performance.
I just think it’s good to check mlb trade rumors to get an idea before posting a ridiculous level trade.
I am actually higher then most on Murphy I think having a great catcher that all the pitchers want to throw to and controls the game from a defensive standpoint is immeasurable in value. That’s why I’m so high on Murphy would love to have him as the catcher for the Red Sox moving forward. I am also very jealous of Baltimore. I think I would rather have him then any other if I was starting a team. He is a winner.
If you weren’t jealous of Rutschman, I would suspect that something was wrong with you. He basically just started and is already probably the best in the league. After a slow start (and recovering from an injury, he has a .929 OPS in his last 34 games.
Joe I would want Rutschman as my number one young guy he’s special. It’s no coincidence the Orioles winning started when he was called up pitchers respond to this guy he is a winner has won at every level oh and yes the boy can hit. He will easily be the best catcher in baseball soon and yea the boy can hit too just a matter of time.
@Bruin1012- keep dreaming, and keep being delusional. It’s never going to happen. Murphy for Peraza, unless the A’s throw in Frankie Montas. Then maybe the Yankees do it. The Yankees are very happy with their young all star catcher Jose Trevino. Murphy isn’t needed by the Yankees.
Then your ignorant more so then I thought. If it’s Murphy and Montas then it’s Volpe plus and those are the facts.
@Bruin1012- the Yankees have zero interest in trading Volpe, just like the Blue Jays have zero interest in trading Moreno. I could see Murphy being traded to the Jays or the Rays. Montas is interesting though. The Yankees have a lot of depth, that the A’s could definitely use. If I was Oakland I would see the best offer for Montas and take it. I could see the Yanks dealing Waldichuk, Schmidt, Sweeney, Vargas, Vasquez and Warren for Montas.
I’m not arguing that the Yankees may not want Murphy but if they did covet him it would take a hell of a lot more then Peraza.
@Bruin1012- well whose better Castillo or Montas? I would definitely say Castillo pitching in that little ballpark. The Yankees don’t even want to deal Peraza in a package for him. I would rather keep Dominguez. It will be Jasson Dominguez or Oswald Peraza, Ken Waldichuk, Trey Sweeney, Josh Breaux, and Will Warren most likely for Luis Castillo and Tyler Mahle. I do feel a trade for Montas would be cheaper.
Capn I really can’t see the Red trading both Castillo and Mahle. Lots of teams will want Castillo so there may be a bidding war. I doubt Cashman wins a bidding war for his services especially if he doesn’t want to trade his best prospects.
@Bruin1012- I feel if Toronto offers Gabriel Moreno in a package with their left handed prospect Randy Tiedemann, thrn Castillo is going there. The Yankees are higher on Peraza then Dominguez. I’m definitely not. It’s just Peraza is now major league ready. They could move on to Frankie Montas now, they have a lot of prospects that would definitely give the A’s a lot more depth for the future.
Capn I don’t think the Blue Jays offer Moreno but I agree they would get Castillo if they did.
The A’s likely focus their resources on trading other players who are closer to leaving. No rush. The also might want to mentor Langeliers under Murphy for a bit.
Vogt is still there for that if a trade happens.
Sean Murphy
All Star catcher X
Gold glover X
low salary X
3 1/2 years of team control X
Two way catcher who hits X
34% caught stealing X
12 runs saved 3 years X
Know for leadership
& working with young pitchers X
1st time arbitration eligible this winter X
Great catching is in short supply.
Murphy will get the A’s a big return in any trade no doubt.
Those who think that this is a “lowball” trade deal will be left out of this deal and disappointed.
Sure he has value. Lots of players have value, and Murphy is not unique.
Will Smith has a higher WAR over the past two years, and has the same number of years left.
Kirk has a higher WAR this year, and has 4 years left.
Stephenson is a similar talent, but been injured a few times, and has four years left.
Rutschman is superior and has 6 years left.
As a RS fan, for the same package, I would gladly take Rutschman, and it isn’t close. If I could be assured that Stephenson would stay at catcher, I would take him over Murphy as well. I’d like to see him on my RS, but he is not unique.
The difference is that (most likely) Smith, Kirk, Stephenson & Rutschman are not available in a trade.
Of course, but it goes to value. If the A’s fans in here think that Murphy is worth, say two top 50s, I shudder to think what Rutschman is worth. And as I mentioned above, there are several 2nd tier guys that aren’t as good, but aren’t that much worse. I don’t think anyone is giving you a haul if a 2nd tier guy only goes for a half-haul.
I’d agree. But the commenters saying Contreras will fetch more (with 2 months left on his contract vs 3 years of Murph) are out of their mind.
“commenters saying Contreras will fetch more”
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Did someone actually say that? Because it is not even remotely close.
Yes, don’t have the time to check which thread. But either in this post or one of the other recent ones that talked about Murphy.
With all the great, young pitching that the Guardians continue to draft and develop,
Murphy would be an asset for Cleveland and at least half of the major league teams or more.
Murphy has deceptive value. I think some readers will see Murphy’s stat line as good not great even though he’s a catcher and not realize just how good a package it will take to land him. Even more important is the amount of control he has left. We’re used to seeing players with only the immediate season of control traded, sometimes two years of control. I really hope the A’s trade him because I think the package will be a lot bigger than many believe.
I agree it’s going to take more than some might think and multiple teams like Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland etc that have nice pieces to trade. I don’t see guys at the very top of the prospect list like a Espino level prospect being a part of one. That’s just me. Murphy is no doubt one of the better catchers in the league and has control that make him a nice asset but for guys that in the top 20/25 of the prospect lists I see those being traded for stars like a Soto or an ace level pitcher. Most teams especially a TB or CLE are not trading the very top tier prospects. Oakland though has had a very weird strategy when it comes to players they’ve received in return so they’ll probably surprise everyone.
The A’s have a stud catcher that they received from the Braves banging on the door @ AAA who is more than ready to take over starting in the big leagues
(Shea Langeliers).
No point in burying that guy @ AAA since they A’s also have another top rated prospect catcher lower in the minors/
I’m a Braves fan and I am well aware that Langeliers may haunt the Braves. No complaint on Olson. First year with a new team and he’s being productive while filling in some big shoes but I am watching S.Lang and I am ready to second guess everything with the perfect clarity of 20/20 hindsight. =))
If the Guardians are involved it would have to be done next year , because I want Chase Delauter in return .
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Sheesh!
I must have missed a doozy.
Oh well, I can guess the context.
Maybe the Rays will make a move for Murphy.
Right. Would love to see it. But the FO thinks Bethancourt is the answer apparently.
I would say the Rays, but now that we have Bethancourt, Chang, and Quinn, we should be all set.
Yes, sarcasm.
Be curious what rays front office has to say about murphy….he seems to have Tampa wrote all over him.
Edwards/Johnson would be a good haul for a catcher
The next person who calls them the “Trashstros” or refers to the “cheating” thing in any way (all teams “cheat”) there’s going to be a problem.
Going to be a problem? You’re going to get upset on a message board? Now I’m sure no one will call them the “trastros”
Whatchagonnado?
Bang on a trash can so loud I can hear it crosscountry?
Don’t like your tone. All teams cheat and you know it. Say it!
BANGBANG
Your move, internet tough guy
Show us how you deal with a problem. I bet a strongly worded comment will (not) do it.
All teams “cheat” and you know it- say it!!!
LOL
MAKE ME
I thought there was “going to be a problem”?
I’m out of here.
I could see the A’s viewing the Stallings trade as a starting point for Murphy. Cheap, controllable catchers with good defense are hard to come by, and Murphy has some of the better offensive production from the position.
I think Stallings is a good comp, and his package wasn’t all that much. He was coming off of a 3 WAR season, and had three years of control left. But with a fairly big difference of having been 31 at the time of the trade. You should receive 3 prime years of Murphy.
Stallings is in his age 32 season, Murphy age 27 season. That should influence the value
fantasy.espn.com/baseball/waitingroom?leagueId=382…
St. Louis need ta be lookin no cap
Yankees
Dare i say Mets 😉
Marlins have been looking for a catcher for years.
Cardinals……. Umm hmm
Mets could certainly use Murphy, Pindor and Puk. Probably have to take Trevino as well.
Vientos is a big prospect and at 26, needs a place to play. As 1B/3B, add a pitcher from AA, some cash and a young outfielder…maybe.
Not sure the Mets will give up the players it would take to get that package of A’s players. They are not just giving them away.
It’s not even close for Murphy alone let alone the others
Well I guess it depends on the pitcher but it would take a hell of a pitcher with the guys you just stated
Vientos is 22.
I would hope the W.Sox are talking/looking
What is the trade value of Murphy?
Lets compare him to Realmuto at the time he was traded to the Phillies.
Both 27 yrs old.
Murphy has 3.5 yrs of control to Realmuto’s 2….advantage Murphy.
Realmuto had a career wRC+ of 108 to Murphy’s 111…advantage Murphy.
Murphy is the far superior defensive catcher.
Realmuto had twice as many PAs as Murphy, but per 600 PAs Realmuto was worth 3.2 fWAR to Murphy’s 4.8…advantage Murphy.
In return for Realmuto, the Marlins got a concensus top 30 pitching prospect, a lottery pick teenage starting pitcher, and the Phillies 25 yr old starting catcher, who had graduated as a concensus top 100 prospect, and was coming off a breakout (3.3 fWAR) season.
Murphy should fetch a lot more…if he is traded.
Wouldn’t realmuto be worth substantially more just based on plate appearances alone ? +600 plate appearances means he got to bigs more than a year quicker right ?
And speaking of consensus- realmuto was the consensus best catcher in baseball at the time and a consensus top 100 player in baseball.
Also, Sanchez was all hype and no production. He may have been a top 30 prospect, but if Phillies thought he was, and eventually atop rotation piece – they would not have gave him up for a catcher – they sold high on him. As A’s sold high on Addison Russell once when he was a “consensus” top 10 prospect.
Brennen Davis is a top 30 prospect. Is that your ideal return ? Wouldn’t be for me. I’d rather target minor leaguers with a history of success as that typically translates into productive big leaguer. Oh, and that’s typically been the result of every trade the A’s have made ever as they 100% don’t care who mlb.com ranks in their top 100 as they have their own scouts and own board.
So in a way your right – he will fetch a lot more Bc A’s won’t get taken to cleaners in a trade like Jeter the broke joke was notorious for
Realmuto had a career wRC+ of 108 to Murphy’s 111…advantage Murphy.
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I think in this case, the recent stats clearly favored Realmuto. He had 8.9 bWAR over his final two years with Miami. Murphy will have roughly 5.4. The years do matter, so 3 years is worth a lot more than two years, but all said, I would expect a similar package, but certainly not “a lot more”.
The “advantage Murphy” regarding “career” wRC vs Realmuto is a rather incomparable sample size isn’t it…..let’s say this….offensively who would you rather see at the plate with runners on and down by a run…..Realmuto or Mr. Catcher Interference….230 career hitter…..whoops, my bias is showing!
Mets should at least inquire.
A GM doesn’t trade players. He trades contracts.
3.5 yrs is worth a lot more than 2 yrs.
Even if you feel that Realmuto was the better player at age 27, his contract wasn’t worth what Murphys is right now.
Oakland may as well trade Murphy and let Langeliers take the job so they can see what he can do. Not only would they save maybe 3-4M, but they would get a pretty damni good return. I’m guessing a top 50 prospect and another top 100 player or a guy who just missed out on those arbitrary rankings. in other words, two really interesting players and probably a third guy who would be around 10-15 on an org’s depth chart. Why not?
The Cardinals have been scouting Murphy.
Prediction: A’s trade Murph for 2-3 marginal at best prospects
Someone needs to call the Blue Jays about Danny Janssen. I think he could be had for a high velo pen arm with some years of control remaining.
Moreno and Kirk aren’t going anywhere unless Luis Castillo or Soto are headed to the great white north.
According to Fangraphs, Murphy is the 37th most valuable trade asset in baseball. That’s ahead of players like Dylan Cease, Jazz, Pete Alonzo, Riley Greene…. Most on here, especially homers, probably don’t agree with this but the point is that most of you are far undervaluing his worth.
Per Fangraphs: Let’s get a few things out of the way at the top of this comment. Murphy is a solid hitter, and while recent approach changes make me think he won’t walk as frequently going forward, he has enough power that his overall line looks like an average-hitting first baseman. What would be average for a first baseman is excellent for a catcher, of course. Murphy would be a tremendous player even if he were an average defender.
Except, he’s a great defender. Of the six wins we give him credit for over the past two years, 1.5 of those come from framing alone. That gave me pause when placing him; framing feels far less sticky these days, with pop-up guys becoming great and established framing specialists declining seemingly every year. You could have made an argument for Jacob Stallings on a trade value list last year, and indeed, the Marlins traded a bunch of players to acquire him. This year? He grades out as one of the worst framers in the game. Projecting future defensive value based on this particular skill strikes me as irresponsible, and that’s before trying to time the arrival of the robo zone.
If Murphy continues to be the best defensive catcher in baseball, I’m too low on him. It’s as simple as that. But I think teams are wising up to defensive volatility, or at least, they should be after the Stallings and Austin Nola trades. Murphy is awesome, and teams will offer the A’s a ton in return for him (or already have, perhaps, since Oakland is certainly open for business). I simply think that framing is going to command less on the trade market going forward than it once did.