The Angels have announced that Mike Trout has been placed on the 10-day injured list due to left ribcage inflammation. They also announced the previously reported claim of infielder Phil Gosselin, and that outfielder Monte Harrison has cleared waivers and been outrighted to Triple-A Salt Lake.
At this point, there’s been no indication from the team as to how long they expect Trout to be out of action. He has missed some time recently due to back spasms, though the club avoided putting him on the IL until now. Perhaps they were waiting for the All-Star break, when the 10-day minimum absence would sting the least, though further word will surely come from the Angels in time.
Trout had been fairly healthy for the early portions of his career, playing in at least 114 games for the eight seasons from 2012 to 2019 and only coming in below 134 in one of those. He followed that up by getting into 53 of the club’s 60 games in the shortened 2020 season. Last year, however, he made it into only 36 contests, as a calf issue that didn’t initially seem serious eventually lingered and finished his season.
This year, he’s gotten into 79 of the club’s 92 games so far, already more than doubling his total from last year. He hasn’t shown any signs of slowing down in terms of overall production, hitting an excellent .270/.368/.599 for a 168 wRC+. He’s produced 3.8 wins above replacement already, according to FanGraphs.
Regardless of how much time he misses, it’s yet another disappointing setback in a season full of them for the Angels. Despite a hot start to the year wherein the club was 24-14 in mid-May, they’ve played at a miserable 15-39 pace since and are now 39-53 overall. The club is 10 1/2 games out of a playoff spot and seems more likely to sell than add at the deadline. Taking that into consideration, it makes sense to give Trout some time off to get healthy, rather than pushing him and potentially worsening the issue.
As for Harrison, he was signed to a minor league deal in the offseason after being released by the Marlins. Despite once being a highly-rated prospect, strikeout issues have kept him from living up to his athletic potential. Despite a 35% strikeout rate in the minors this year, he was selected to the big league for some bench/pinch running/defensive replacement duties. He played nine game but got just 14 plate appearances, striking out in eight of them, before being DFA’d. Having been previously outrighted in his career, he has the ability to reject the outright assignment and elect free agency, though it’s not yet clear which path he’s taken.
Tough blow. This will surely hurt their chances of making a late division run….
Not sure if you’re being funny or not but what run? They’re 20 out on the division and 10 out the wild card. The only run they’ll be making is going home after the season another lost season for Mike and Shohei
I’ll let you marinate on it. I got confidence you can figure out what I meant
Why does everyone keep harping on “lost” seasons from Trout and Ohtani. Did anyone ever consider that maybe they are a part of why the Angels are losing? At some point we have to realize that Trout has been there for over a decade now with zero playoff wins to show for it. And it’s not like he has been playing in a division dominated by teams. Yeah the A’s and Astros have been good, but they have never been so dominant that people have to look and say oh well they never had a chance. Trout is not the new Mickey Mantle, he is the new Ernie Banks. Great player, but not a winner.
Lol. No other response.
Interesting take sir.
I think you forgot that baseball is a team sport…
lol.
Astros have been the most conistent team in the MLB (outside the dodgers) over the last five years and there is no such thing as not a winner in a sport that requires 10 people at a time.
Smh
So? Football is a team sport too, but the QB gets an awful lot of the credit and blame. Basketball is a team sport and I think we all know how much one can impact that game.
I just think it is only fair criticism to point out that the man just about everyone in the world says is the best player in the game doesn’t really affect the game that much. Over the last decade, the Angels would have won the exact same number of playoff games with me playing instead of Trout. So really, what does it really matter how good he is?
Trout’s career has lasted a lot longer than 5 years. The first half of his career, the Astros were a joke.
The best statistical player in the game Bond’s, never won,juice or no juice. Oh, look who stopped him from that. The Angels.
Wow lot of hot takes. Baseball is unique in that a hitter gets 4-5 ABs and a pitcher pitchers every 5 days and doesn’t bat unless it’s Ohtani. Add the fact that pitchers usually don’t close out games. From a 162 game season. what an invidual baseball player can impact is much different than football. Plus this winning concept is very hyperbolic. There are more dynamics you’ve overlooked which I don’t have time to unfold. Basically consider, ownership, coaching, development, culture, status (winning/spending franchise), players, leaders, front office, direction, injuries, and some other variables. If you look across the leagues you’ll see common factors +/-. But based on what you wrote, it’s very biased and hyperbolic and way too narrow of a view towards the leagues, sports, players.
Your Rants should be directed at Arte Moreno
Your smart enough to know No MLB player can affect a team as much as any QB or star NBA player – Their ecological footprint just doesn’t set nearly as deep; ones wearing a combat boot, the other some Rainbow sandals
You put prime Sandy Koufax on the Cubs they are 3 games up on Pitt for 3rd not battling MIL/STL for the lead today
Babe Ruth on the D backs their prolly a game over .500 today
Cap – I knew if I waited long enough, you’d write something I can agree with ;O)
Since opening day 2015, only the Dodgers have won more games than Astros
@hiflew
c’mon dude you’re smarter than that. he’s got a 1.000 career ops and a gold glove. it’s not like he has a long track record of personally choking in the playoffs. it’s not like basketball where 1 guy can drag a ok team to at least a playoff appearance. he’s only been on 1 team that won more than 89 games. absolutely not his fault. he was horrible in the 3 games he appeared in back in 2014 but that’s not enough to lambast him as the reason for their failures.
@hiflew
You can’t compare 4 at bats in a game to a QB running the offense for an entire game. If it was as simple as him producing at a high level in those 4 at bats then Trout’s 1.000 career ops would’ve won him 5 or 6 rings by now.
Trout is saving himself for the World Baseball Classic!
Might be time to spend a tad less time in the weight room. Always seems this happens to the hulk type players.
Ouch my ribs are inflamed !! Put them back on the grill.
If they are in flames, shouldn’t you take them off the grill?
nicccce.
Glass man.
How in the world will Trout get to 40HRs and 150Ks when he’s on the shelf? I would never expect the impossible from the best player on earth… like 40 doubles.
He has more ABs left this year than he had in total in 2020.
He has 24 Home Runs now. He hit 17 HRs in 2020. 40 HRs seems like a good betting line. It will be close.
Since his rookie year in 2012, only 13 players have logged more innings on defense in the field, only 16 have played in more games, only 11 have had more plate appearances, only 9 have stolen more bases, one has hit more home runs, no one has scored more runs, and no one is close in fWAR.
Pretty resilient glass.
@Fink
Not the last few years. Not since he signed the extension.
Now do 2017 though now. It doesn’t matter that he played a lot of games in the mid-2010s – it’s been a half decade plus. He’a struggled to get close to a full season’s worth of action in the last half decade.
Okay. Since 2017, 556 games; same as A. J. Pollock and more than Josh Donaldson, Corey Seager, Max Muncy, Kevin Kiermaier, Teoscar Hernandez, Michael Taylor, Jorge Soler, Brandon Nimmo, Justin Upton, Miguel Sano, etc., and Trout still ranks first in fWAR since 2017.
Hi Fink Ployed,
Trout was an iron man from 2012-2016 appearing in 98.3% of his team’s games.
However, from 2017-2022 (his age 25-30 years) he has been a glass man appearing in just 69% of his team’s games. That ranks 115th among all MLB players.
To add a little more context, let’s compare Trout’s number to his future legacy peer group – the 51 outfielders who are in the BHOF who were on MLB rosters for the full six seasons of their age 25-30 years. The lowest % games played among that group is Earle Combs at 82.2% and then Larry Walker at 82.8%. The highest is Billy Williams at 99.9%.
What will be Trout’s ‘% of games played’ for the remaining 8 years of his contract (age 31-38)? I think the Angels might be concerned about that since he is and will be earning $38.1 million per year for all of those years.
out for the season……again
Prime ended with the 2019 season (arguably with the 2018 season since 2018 was the last season he was a complete player). Can be relied on for around 5 WAR at this point.
Trout is fifth in the AL in WAR at 3.8 and will finish will likely be above six this year.
Thanks for playing. Man are you people dumb.
By the way, Judge and Trout are pretty close to the same age. They are both in their age 30 season. Judge’s WAR is about 30, Trout’s is about 80.
And Trout’s playoff wins is somewhere just south of 1. To me that matters far more than an arbitrary imaginary stat that really is just someone’s attempt at a masters in statistics or mathematics.
You care about playoff wins? A sport where it legit takes 25+ guys? Not even rings??? Which both have zero lol. It’s not the NBA, fans look back and look at stats well before Rings etc.
it is a team game. trout has never failed to provide his share. most of the rest failed. and the owner made so much with the under-performing team.
No I really care more about wins in May.
Playoff wins has nothing to do with an individual player though.
This will be his 5th straight full season without reaching 500 AB’s. He’s now in his 30’s and his heath is often failing. This doesn’t look good moving forward. It’s sad that this generations greatest player is often in this predicament.
“Trout is fifth in the AL in WAR at 3.8 and will finish will likely be above six this year. ”
He played at a 5 WAR pace in 2020 and finished with 2 WAR. He posted 2 WAR last year. Even if he finishes with 6 WAR this year, it is still generous- if anything- to say that he can be counted on for around 5 WAR.
He has more ABs left this season than he got he got in 2020. I like his odds. I’ll take the over on six. Which is a far cry from
Last year he had an OPS+ of 195. And got hurt.
Saying he’s a five WAR player is flat out dumb.
savosbiggestfan, no player in baseball had a 5-WAR season in 2020.
Tatis, Jr. led with 3.3 fWAR, and Trout was tied in the 7th tier with Machado and Ozuna with 2.6 fWAR.
Was highlighting the fact that he has been a roughly 5 WAR or lower player since 2019. 2020 was the 5 WAR pace, 2021 he finished with 2 WAR, this year he will finish with at best around 6 WAR (could easily end up being 5 WAR or lower this year). It’s extremely clear that his prime is over and it’s mind boggling that there’s still the widespread assumption that it isn’t. Could easily be a 3 WAR level player within a couple of years.
Can’t stay on the field anymore, can’t steal bases anymore (hasn’t since 2018), can’t play good CF anymore (hasn’t since 2018). And now for the 2nd time in 3 years, his offense at the plate is showing significant decline.
“Was highlighting the fact that he has been a roughly 5 WAR or lower player since 2019.”
Since 2019, he’s fourth in fWAR.
Trout ranks in the 11th tier in Outs Above Average in center field this year with 4 OAA. He’s playing excellent defense.
BTW, savosbiggestfan — who’s savo?
Public commentator/actor/film-maker/book author/rapper/weight lifter/motivational speaker/lifestyle coach Kevin Savo.
Are you Kevin Savo?
Not him.
Halo11Fan, WAR is cumulative. Trout’s rookie season was 2012. Judge’s was 2017.
Since 2017, Trout still ranks first in fWAR with 32.8, but Judge ranks fourth with 29.6.
You’re comparing a player with 5,986 plate appearances to another with only 2,854 PA.
Trout was the best player in baseball his rookie year. When has Judge ever been that good?
Pretty much every year since he’s come into the league
Judge was first in fWAR in 2017. Trout was sixth.
This year, Judge is first in fWAR and Trout is 10th.
I had suggested trading him a couple of years back when he could’ve landed someone’s entire farm. I understand trading away a fan fave is difficult, but I don’t see how they plan on competing going forward.
That said, both Adell & Marsh continue to not hit, and the FO seems oblivious to it. 22-36 over their past 58 games. I’d love to hear a writer ask them whether they think that the best way for them to learn to hit is to face major league pitchers. Tork and Kelenic both got demoted, and both of them are better than Marsh & Adell.
They are #23 out of 30, with a reasonable chance at the #3 or #4 pick next year. It is way past time to tank.
I don’t think they are oblivious, what can they do?
They are pretty much locked into Walsh and Rendon and seeing if Adell or Marsh can play.
They spent on their pen and Stassi.
They have no middle infield. They should not have gone into the year with that infield. That’s the only thing that I blame them for.
Halo11Fan
They are pretty much locked into Walsh and Rendon and seeing if Adell or Marsh can play.
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I’m not completely dismissing that. Sometimes a player maxes out on his AAA ABs, and sink-or-swim against MLB. You can’t stay a AAA player forever.
That said, Adell was up, then down, then up, then down, and now up again. If they needed an OF because of injuries, and were tied for the WC slot, you do what you have to do. Assuming they know they are out of it, I see no reason to bring him up again. If anything, I would set a target of a 2/1 K/W for a month before he came up again, and I would let him know that.
Marsh is even more ridiculous. Marsh has less than 100 AAA ABs. As I’ve mentioned before, as bad as it looks, it is probably worse. He has 22 Ks in his last 44 ABs. That’s an easy calculation of 300 Ks in 600 ABs. I literally have friends in their 60s that would strike out less.
Basically, this isn’t a guy that is 26, and spend 2.5 seasons in AAA, where there is no more development left. He needs development time in AAA, or he will follow Adell’s path.
He has a No trade clause so unless the trade scenarios were to SD or LAD your probably outta luck and no guarantee he’d even sign off on those 2 teams
He’s not leaving Newport Coast, somewhere where he can go out to dinner and half the people don’t recognize him and the other half are more enthralled with the Real Housewife of Oc that’s at the table next to him.
I honestly don’t know if they ever approached him, but they should. There could be a real interest on Trout’s part to play in the playoffs and perhaps even get a ring.
To be honest, if his ambition is to simply play out the next 8 years with no more ambition that to be left alone, I’d lose a little respect.
I agree, and Id like to know as well, especially his answer/reasoning
But if I had to take a guess (Ive been around this dude like 50 times/tho never spoken longer than 30 second periods to him) Id say he just might be the type that doesn’t care to change area codes despite the implications
He’d really fit SD well tho, I think he’d take the extra 50 mile drive to pull that off ….not an LA dude by any means from my encounters
Huge living difference from LA Angels to La Dodgers
Sd is much more on par w OC living …lotta people HATE LA (Like Rendon ) and ME who work in LA but still chose the Oc to live even w the commute (which has been much better post Covid)
Trout is a money maker for the franchise. Wins are of course important, but the #1 concern for any owner is profit. Few players are more marketable.
Might have aggravated it when we stayed in the dugout like a Pansy after his manager staged a bushwack over nothing.
They threw at Trouts head. The pitcher admitted he came up and in and even Ms fans knew he had no command.
What kind of jerk comes up and in when they admittedly have no command?
They M’s couldn’t get him out and threw at his head. Real classy Ms.
Two outs so what? 116 games so what? No wonder Ms fans are bitter.
The Angels are the thugs here, just like their fans. They are the ones who beaned Justin Uptin in the head the weekend before. Then the day after the non-intentional toss at Trout, that jerk Nevin suddenly switches in an opener to start the game with the intention of hunting Mariners. First inning he throws at Julio’s head. The Mariners did nothing to retaliate on the bottom of the first. Then on the first pitch of the 2nd inning the henchman opener hits Winker. The Angels are totally at fault. Nevin should be suspended for the rest of the year. August 5th is coming. T-Mobil Park will be sold out. Payback is he*l.
Halo11Fan
They threw at Trouts head.
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I agree on retaliation. But they threw at Rodriguez’s head. That evened the score. There was no reason to go after Winker. FWIW, the ump should’ve called time out after the Rodriguez pitch and told both sides that the score was even, and any further retaliation was going to get everyone tossed and suspended.
Things happen in games. I don’t automatically take the Angels side.
But the tipping point for me is when someone throws at Trout’s head. I know this is elitists, but there are some people you don’t throw at.
If 20 years ago, the Angels threw at Griffey’s head… FOR ANY REASON… an Angel was going to get drilled and an Angel should have gotten drilled.
Throwing at Trout is taking any situation and moving it to DEFCON 1, It’s a declaration of war.
@Halo11Fan Your not this stupid. Why would the Mariners wait til they are protecting a 2 run lead in the 9th inning to throw at him? If they were trying to hit him why not do it in his first 4 at bats earlier in the game? They obviously weren’t trying to hit him. Trout didn’t even get hit – Lorenzen went up and in and hit Upton in the head. Nevin is pathetic.
He admitted he went up and in intentionally and admitted he was having command issues. Google it.
Are you this stupid? On what planet is that acceptable?
So a pitcher who has command issues intentionally goes up and in to Mike Trout and you don’t think that’s going to take things to DEFCON 1. Are you this stupid?
Only an idiot would think that was going to be the end of it. And there wasn’t a person on the diamond who didn’t know what was coming next.
I don’t like what happened, but I knew it was coming. Everyone did.
Not to be an elitest, but there are players you can go up and in and almost hit in the head and there are players you can’t go up and in and almost hit in the head.
JT Walsh and Justin Upton are two of the former. Mike Trout is one of the later. .
Swanson pitches up and in a lot. Hasn’t hit a single batter all year. Google it. Lorenzen actually hit Upton in the head. It happens sometimes – doesn’t mean it was intentional. Why is it ok for Lorenzen to pitch inside but not Swanson? Because Trout is a bigger star than Upton? That is ridiculous. Nevin knows they weren’t throwing at Trout in that situation, protecting a 2 run lead in the 9th. He’s an idiot, but he’s not that dumb. Retaliating was just a desperate attempt by a hapless manager to spark his fading team. I doubt he gets another MLB managerial job any time soon, after he’s inevitably let go after another 4th place Angels finish..
I don’t think he wanted to hit him in the head, but it doesn’t matter. Only a sociopath would want to hit a player in the head.
But what kind of jerk goes up and in and doesn’t have the command to go up and in? What an A-Hole.
And since it already happened twice in one game, he’s not that big of an idiot to know EXACTLY what a “mistake” was going to mean.
Of course that was going to exacerbate the issue.
What do you think was going to happen the next day? Someone was going to take it in the ribs. Any thing beyond that by either team was not cool. But a rib shot was deserved.
Let me add just in case you don’t understand baseball.
If a pitcher goes up and in and misses, you can expect that he has sentenced one of his teammates to a pitch in the ribs.
If a pitcher goes up and in to Mike Trout or any of the game stars and misses, and that player takes offense, I GUARANTEE that pitcher has sentenced one of his teammates to a pitch in the ribs.
This is only the second time I’ve seen Mike Trout react like this to an up and in pitch.
And after the pitcher carries out the sentence by sticking a batter in the ribs, it should have been over.
I understand just fine. Who got one in the ribs after Lorenzen hit Upton? And you keep saying who would go up and in if they don’t have the command to do it – but Swanson has not hit a batter all year. He’s protecting a 2 run lead in the 9th, against one of the best hitters in the league. Hes not worried about hitting Trout, he’s worried about making his pitch. I understand Trout being pissed, that’s a completely normal reaction – but for Nevin to send that kid out there the next day specifically to hit people is pathetic, and he is a loser, just waiting to be fired.
And the Ms should have stuck one in the Angels ribs. And I wouldn’t have been the least bit upset.
And the moment Swanson just missed Trout’s head, a Ms player should take one in the ribs.
Jack Hamilton pitched for the Angels 2 years, hit one batter. Tony Conigliaro. How many HBP does it take to kill someone? The answer…. ONE.
WHO CARES HOW MANY BATTERS HE HIT?
The cost of throwing near a batter’s head is one of your guys gets in the ribs…. It’s a fair price. Don’t do the crime if you can’t pay the time.
Who cares how many batters he hit? If he was just some wild kid, who had hit dozens of batters, then I think it would be fair to say you shouldn’t pitch inside. But he hasn’t hit anyone all year. You think that just because he doesn’t have his best command on a given night, he should just stop trying to make his pitch in a high leverage situation like that?
It doesn’t matter, that’s the point.
There is a price for coming close to ending someone’s career. And it’s fair.
One of your players takes it in the ribs.
Trout almost getting hit in the head was going to be answered. After that, it should have stopped.
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Mariners didn’t retaliate after Upton got hit. And I think its a bit of a stretch to say that Swanson came close “to ending someones career”. Jeez, it happens all the time. It happened a week before to Upton. Only he actually got hit.
And the Ms had every right to.
Maybe the pitch to Walsh should have counted as retaliation. But that’s not where you retaliate.
It’s pretty darn simple. If a pitcher makes a mistake up and in a teammate pays. It’s why it doesn’t happen all the time as you suggest it does.
Very few balls come close to player’s head. One of the reasons for that is a friend of yours pays the price.
The M’s didn’t retaliate because they knew it wasn’t intentional and they have a competent manager. I’ll say it again – Nevin’s reaction – sending that kid out there for the sole purpose of throwing at people – was just a desperate attempt by a hapless manager to spark his fading team. Guess it sparked the M’s instead. Good work Phil.
Mike Trout took offense. I’ve seen him take offense twice in 11 years.
I don’t understand why anyone was surprised.
I take offense every time someone almost gets hit in the head… Don’t confuse that with chin music, which is completely different.
And when someone tries to throw chin music and misses, often there are ramification. It’s part of the game.
But when Trout get upsets, the Angels are going to respond.
They responded by going 5-13 and losing 12 games in the standings to Seattle.
They sure did. So when one of their two stars takes offense at a pitch near their noggin, you can bet the pitching and coaching staff listened.
I have no idea why anyone was surprised at what happened the next day.
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You are implying that every single time a pitch comes a little too far inside someone on the other team has to get hit – I’m pointing out a specific time when that did not happen – the Mariners, after Upton got hit. You don’t think he was “offended” when he got hit in the head?
I’m saying that when you come up and in, the other team has a right to protect it’s players.
You can’t throw up and in with impunity. I hate writing this, but did you guys ever play this game?
If you don’t know how to come up and in, then don’t. If you do, there are ramifications if you screw up.
This is baseball 101.
“If you don’t know how to come up and in, then don’t”. Fine. But Swanson pitches up and in. A lot. It’s who he is as a pitcher. Go look at his baseball savant page if you don’t believe me. And despite pitching inside frequently, HE HASN’T HIT A BATTER ALL YEAR. He absolutely CAN pitch inside, and he does it well. So, your saying that because he missed his spot a couple times during a game, he should just abandon his strengths so as not to risk hitting the great mike trout?
And again, Lorenzen pitched up and inside to Upton. Mariners didn’t retaliate because they knew it wasn’t intentional. Angels know Swanson missing inside wasn’t intentional, because you don’t try to hit someone in that situation, leading by 2 in the 9th. Explain to me the difference? The difference is Seattle has a competent manager, focused on winning. Angels have a clown for a manager, who doesn’t have a clue how to win games.
That’s fine. But he’s still accountable for one getting away.
In life, you are not absolved because “it was an accident.”
The same is true in baseball. I honestly don’t understand why this is difficult to understand. It’s been this way for a hundred+ years.
Mike Trout was killing the Ms. Swanson came up and in to Mike Trout and almost hit him in the head. Mike Trout, who doesn’t get upset, got upset. Of course that was not going to be the end of it. Again, why everyone doesn’t understand this is beyond me.
This is baseball 101.
I don’t need life lessons from you Halo – again, your implying a pitcher must be held “accountable” for missing with a pitch. Explain to me again why it was ok for Lorenzen to pitch in and not Swanson? I watch a lot of baseball. There is not some kind of retaliation or “accountability” every time a guy misses inside. That’s essentially what your saying and it’s nonsense. And everyone understand Swanson wasn’t “throwing at Trouts head” as you said in your first post, in that situation. So Upton gets hit – no retaliation. Trout ALMOST gets hit. So Nevin puts a guy in SPECIFICALLY TO HIT a batter. He throws a pitch behind Julio – why isn’t it over there? Again, M’s don’t retaliate. What don’t you understand about that? And yet Nevin STILL insists on escalating it further by hitting Winker. That’s not how baseball should be played in 2022. I guarantee teams will consider that when Nevin is looking for a job in a few months. He’s an idiot.
The police officer who accidently killed George Floyd said he was sorry, and everyone forgave him.
That’s how life works. Thanks. I didn’t know.
1) Paragraphs are your friend.
2) Buy a vowel.
I think that pathetic reply really says it all Halo…..
Tired Angels fan rant about trying to hit Trout. There is no way the Mariners wanted to hit Trout in that situation. Erik Swanson’s control was all over the place and why would you want to put the go-ahead run on first base? I can’t believe Angels fans won’t own up to the obvious that they were the instigators in that entire sordid affair. I guess they’re just bitter and don’t want to face the reality that the Mariners and Dipoto are running circles around them.
So, Swanson admittedly went up and in to Mike Trout and you admit he had not control.
So that would make him an A-Hole. Only an A-Hole would go up and in with no control?
You guys are hilarious.
So a guy who hasn’t hit a batter all year just abandons his approach in the middle of an important at bat after he misses his spot once or twice? You know that is ridiculous. Hes not Ricky Vaughn – the guy generally has good command. And I’m still waiting to hear from you why its ok for Lorenzen to pitch inside but its some kind of mortal sin worthy of retribution for Swanson to do it. I mean, Lorenzen has hit 4 guys this year, 27 in his career. By your logic, he should NEVER pitch inside. Please explain.
So you are very tired, get in a car crash, don’t even say you are sorry and are absolved of all accountabilities?
Welcome to the attitude of today.
My position hasn’t changed, If you go up and in, for whatever reason, and miss, there may be consequences. That’s the way baseball is played. That’s the way baseball has always been played.
What are you talking about saying sorry? No one is suggesting anyone say sorry. I’m not debating whether or not there “may” be consequences. I’m telling you that in this specific situation, there was no reason for it, whatsoever. Nevin’s response was completely stupid and out of line. He knows Swanson wasn’t throwing at Trouts head. He knows the Mariners didn’t retaliate after Upton got hit, or after they threw behind Julio. And he still insists on hitting a guy. And Bradley gets hurt, a bunch of guys miss games, and the Angel’s season, and Nevins managerial career are now circling the drain. But hey at least they upheld Halofans stupid rules of baseball.
As for your little car accident analogy – If you and I are at a 4 way stop, and we both start to go at the same time, and you have to swerve around me – are you going to demand retribution for an innocent mistake that didn’t hurt anyone or anything – a mistake that you yourself have undoubtedly made yourself more than once, or are you going to recognize it for what it is and move on like a rational human being?
Ever notice how thick Trout has become over the last decade? Very Bondish. Became power guy, few SB’s always hurt. Reminds me of the “era”. I’m sure (?) this Angel is clean as an Angel. He’s such a nice guy ,star , I should be banished for even suggesting the possibility.
Only the bad rotten people in sports juice. Lol
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Trout still has elite speed; he chooses not to run.
He’s one of the greatest ever to play. No question.
Look at the pic on the thumbnail and compare eight years ago.
The media used to do that with Bonds all the time. Truly the greatest of all time.
Thats because he’s gotten injured stealing multiple times.
You know who else chooses not to run? Jerry Seinfeld against his old high school nemesis Duncan Meyer.
Damn that Mr. Bevalacqua
According to Statcast’s Sprint Speed, Trout is one of the fastest runners in MLB. He is faster than Kevin Kiermaier and Byron Buxton and just a tick behind Jo Adell.
Trout’s game is built around controlling the strike zone, OBP and SLG. No need to take unnecessary risks trying to swipe a bag especially with Ohtani, Rendon and Walsh hitting behind him.
The Angel curse maybe they should change the name to Los Angeles Devils
The LA Demons would be better.
I guess he won’t be available at the deadline now – LOL!
He hasn’t played since 7/12…can’t they make this retroactive so he would miss fewer games?
To be retroactive I think they’d have to be certain if exactly when he sustained the injury, and perhaps they aren’t.
Angels are done for this year and the foreseeable future and need to trade trout for a massive package before its 2 late. Aside from that syndergaard and whoever else has value. They need to tear it down and start over. With houston and Seattle in the division and maybe Texas if they get some starters and another bat angels are a 4th place team for the foreseeable future!
When you carry a team for as long as he has, the body eventually starts to break down.
That’s one thick neck!
Ohtani needs to be traded, there are too many holes on this team to hope again the next year will be different.
They can’t afford him and can get a ridiculous return for him now. Yes, they could wait, but you have to consider the higher than normal injury risk.
Nah, this team can run it back next year. Just trade Syndo and any other expiring contracts. There not far off if Artie spends along with the top spending clubs out there. Some MI help, a RP, and another quality starter. Then they could play with anyone. Close games fluctuate year to year, and they’ve been losing way to many close games. Whether that be 1 run or 3 runs in extra innings.
I’d love to be on board with this but that’s what I’ve been saying as an Angels fan for the last 10 years and especially the last few. Really feel we need to spread the love around a little with the contracts we already have.
The Angels are 8th in payroll. It seems Artie does tend to spend money like the top spenders. He just doesn’t spend it as wisely lol
The Angel club I saw this weekend playing the Dodgers is quite far from competing. I know Trout and Rendon are out, but even with them, they are weak at 1st, 2nd, SS, and both corner outfielders. Plus, that bullpen…….
They were playing very uninspired baseball. Maybe that’s a byproduct of the manager. IDK.
“Oh no”
Trout picked comfort and pressure free home games so this only affects his career totals.
Mike Trout
Trout…he’s like Lock Ness,we hear of him,but we never seen him.
Trout is a warning sign for all the fanboys screaming about acquiring Soto and giving him ridiculous money on a contract of ridiculous length.
One good player does not make an entire team. Nats won in 2019 because they had a well-rounded team with excellent pitching. Soto hasn’t done much to keep them out of the basement in 2022, because he can’t. Same as Trout for his entire career. Can’t win without a supporting cast.
Are you listening, Hal? Don’t trade for Soto!
Shame Trouts running into same problems as Miggy and other top stars as he ages. Hard to play at that elite level forever
As a Tiger fan I see the Halo’s futility, despite having 2 of the top 5 players in the game, sobering.
The Angels should have traded Trout before he signed his current deal. They could have restocked the farm and possibly had a chance to build around Ohtani. Now the Angels are at the point where they can’t realistically sign Ohtani long term and also have enough money to field a competitive team around them. Truly one of, if not the worst run team in the sport
So they shouldn’t have inked one of the best players ever to put on a uniform when they had the means to do it?
No…I think you meant to say Anthony Rendon instead
The Rendon contract is a totally different story. I firmly believe the Angels should have traded Trout rather than extending him. Just because they had the means to sign him, doesn’t mean it was a good idea. They still have an extremely flawed roster while also having a thin farm system. There won’t be much talent coming through their system and they don’t have much money left over to quality free agents. Trout is also about to turn 31 and is getting injured more frequently with age. By the time the Angels are competitive again, Trout will probably be in his mid 30s
Trout was a no brainer to me
Rendon was just a gut punch
I know it’s more complex than that but those are what first comes to mind
Agree Angels need to wipe the board with their drafting/player dev departments and start clean. I can only imagine there’s a bunch of lazy clock punchers and bad apples under that hood for the results they have provided this century. I’t shouldn’t be tolerated from Arte
** Id be up for trading Trout and Ohtani today if Trout would waive the NTC for what that’s worth I just think at the time Trouts ink was a NO brainer. IF he could be traded today theres still good surplus on prospects if ya scratch the other teams back a tack back a little short term bad money yourself (say Pomeraze and Will Meyers) while getting off 95+% of the backend most likely if not all of it- Trouts deal STILL has surplus Today but that pesky NTC looms
Look at the Angels record with Rendon. The Angels are so bad at third base without him that I get spending money to get him. They need him to be good, not great.
They need a bullpen. They need average production from the other positions.
As long as they keep Ohtani, their starting staff is not bad. I like Sandoval, Detmers and Ohtani as a base. They have pitchers on the way. Marsh or Adell need to be slightly above average players. That’s all.
They are bad for obvious reasons, but those reasons are not insurmountable fixes.
I like Sandoval Ohtani Detmers as well but as long as they stay at 190 payroll they won’t have enough for anything after Ohtani
Arte should spend more, even tho that land/appts around the stadium didn’t net as much as they wanted it too initially it was still over a half billion profit net short term with all upside on the back 9 –
Spending an extra 40~50 mill per year (even going over CBT ) should def be the answer these next 4 years Imo
Ronk seriously were you drunk when you wrote that?
Honestly trade the GOAT for prospects that may never pan out? I’m so sick of reading this garbage.
The Angels have plenty of time to win a couple of WS’s while Trout is still playing the game with the Angels. BTW Trout in his mid 30’s is better than 80% of the ML players.
He doesn’t act like a drama queen. He’s great with the fans. And so on.
Poor Shohei, and Trout their talent is being wasted is Anaheim, I feel so badly for them. Why because Trout signs a 12 year contract with a losing, garbage run organization. I live near Anaheim, you can’t keep up with their managerial, and general managerial changes. Shohei says “I want to win”. You could have signed with anyone but you choose Anaheim. You joined a losing organization. My conclusion. Players have no say where they play. Agents are running the show.
Johnson, Griffey, ARod and Edgar. Their talent was wasted in Seattle. What about the Cubs with Santo, Banks, Williams and Jenkins?
Why is now unique? The face is it’s not.
The Angels have had a couple hall of fame type players a few times, they never won. You need more.
Will any two Angels ever have a higher combined war than Fregosi and Chance in 64?
Tanana and Ryan pitched a few years together and Tanana was on a Hall of Fame pace until he got hurt.
This is not unique. Why people treat it as a uniquely horrible occurrence today is beyond me.
I think the ire is that unlike the teams you mentioned, the Angels have become perennial losers and are getting worse by the year. A lot of those teams that you mentioned were pretty good, average at worse, with the Cubs there wasn’t nearly the playoff opportunities. Yes you need way more than 2 top notch players, and also a strong farm system. Imho the Angels should trade Trout asap. With his injuries, and his problem with high heat that everybody knows about, don’t wait 5 years from now. Get some players. You might lose Otani in a couple of years.
But people have a chance to get out if they don’t like it.
As obvious as this is, two players don’t make a team. And I believe this is the first time these players will have a combined 12 WAR.
It’s not like these players have stared together.
Have you ever wondered why Trout never left? He’s made comments about how much better is to play back East, it was during an all-star game in Detroit. He’s from New Jersey basically across the bridge from Philly. I’ve seen him at Flyers games, Eagles games, and hanging with former Eagle Carson Wenz, but I must have missed the images of him at Ducks, Kings, Lakers, Chargers, and Rams games. Seems to have little to no interest in SoCal, which is his prerogative.
Halo1, while you make some rational points you are incorrect that Johnson, Griffey, Arod & Edgar wasted their talents in SEA. Johnson was traded to Houston for players who helped win 116 games in 2001; the same for Griffey (although he wanted out). Arod took the money and ran to Texas. Edgar was the only one who stayed, but he was damaged goods as a position player. Plus, he had business interests in SEA and his family didn’t want to leave.
However, all of them helped in building the team that beat the Angels in the ‘95 playoff game, created one of the most memorable playoff series ever between the Yankees & M’s, and led to a very competitive team between 1985-2003.
Sorry, between 1995-2003.
And the Angels led baseball in wins in 2014. But one year or two years isn’t enough. Not for the Ms and not for the Angels.
And now is competitive the name of the game?
The Angels were competitive in 95. I watched JT Snow botch a play he makes 999 times out of 1000. I remember how Rex Hudler and his stupidity cost the Angels big time.
I don’t care the Angels were competitive in 1995
Trout and Ohtani both had ample opportunities to explore the market before they chose to sign with the Angels. The org does just enough to keep fans interested without putting additional resources (or their own profits) into payroll to field a real contender. The only people I feel sorry for are the fans.
Wonky mike t another year on the il this guy can’t stay healthy
Well that explains why he was in one of his worst slumps of his career.
If you think Trout and Ohtani’s talents are getting wasted in Anaheim, Nolan Ryan and Frank Tanana had a bigger gripe.
I said it then and I’ll say it again – I would not have given Trout that extension. He is a generational talent, no doubt, but you had to figure that the injuries were going to start piling up and that his best might be in the rear view. Again, not impugning Trout in any way. It’s just that Father Rime gets us all, even generational baseball players in their 30’s.
Father Time* (sigh)
Look at what players are going to be paid. Trout was a freaken bargain.
I agree. He’s starting to like Albert Puhols.
Ohtani…baseballs first $50M/yr player.
I can see that and I don’t think the MLB will allow that to happen in Disneyland.
The Angels need to blow up the team and start over. Moreno isn’t going to keep throwing good money after bad to try to make the team a contender. Trading Ohtani should get back a haul and he can begin the quick rebuild. Trading Trout would be tough, given his salary and his frequent injuries. I have no idea what they could do with Rendon either.
Stanton has roughly $144.5M left on his contract. Trout has roughly $315.5M left on his. Both have no-trade clauses.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Trout, a New Jersey boy, would accept a trade to New York, where he’d finally be under the brightest spotlight. I don’t know if the Yankees would make that trade though. And although Stanton’s a SoCal boy, I don’t know if he would either.
What do you think?
I think you should put down the crack pie.
pipe*
Self-owned.
The Yankees are not trading for Trout. I could see the Phillies doing it before the Yankees. I think Trout is great. He’s a HOF’er but I wouldn’t touch that contract.
That’s my thinking too. Maybe under George the Yankees would’ve gone for Trout. Heck, under George they might’ve sprung for Trout AND Stanton. But the Yankees are Hal’s team now.
I think Mike Trout is faking it, kinda sending a message to Arte Moreno.
Angels need to trade trout and ohtani.improve in international scouting. Fire their president of baseball operations and gm. Hit the reset button. Their farm system is weak. 4-5 years they will be competitive
Welcome to your age 30 season and regularly pulled muscles with slower recovery times. Rush back, pull another muscle from lack of use while healing.
Bryce Harper wants to play baseball – hurt or otherwise. I don’t get the same impression from Trout.
Angel threads always attract the loudest and most uneducated arm chair GMs that MLBTR has to offer. It’s like they’re chomping at the bit for any Angel news just soo they can pile on their negative takes and monumentally genius ideas about how they would have traded Ohtani and Trout to the Yankees, Dodgers, or Phillies for a set of bubblegum trading cards from 1967 and Babe Ruth’s game worn jock strap.
Realistically, you’d have to throw in both Ohtani and Trout to get that jockstrap.