The Mets dropped tonight’s contest against the Braves by a 4-1 score, shrinking their lead in the National League East to 1 1/2 games. At 54-34 with a +70 run differential, New York looks very likely to reach the postseason. Holding off Atlanta to secure a division title and a chance at a top-two seed in the NL (and the associated first-round bye under the new playoff format) is going to be of particular import for the club through the season’s second half.
New York heads into deadline season as obvious buyers, and team president Sandy Alderson shed some light on the club’s target areas today. Chatting with Jon Heyman and Joel Sherman of the New York Post on The Show podcast, Alderson indicated the team was prioritizing adding another bat and bolstering the bullpen. He pointed specifically to designated hitter as an area that could be addressed, noting that New York hasn’t gotten the production they’d anticipated out of the position this season.
While he didn’t specifically single out any player who has underperformed in 2022, it’s not especially hard to read between the lines. Aside from quasi-rest days for star first baseman Pete Alonso, the Mets have given virtually all the DH playing time to the duo of J.D. Davis and Dominic Smith. Davis is hitting .240/.328/.353 through 192 plate appearances. Despite strong exit velocities, he’s compiled only 12 extra-base hits (including three home runs). Hitting for power is paramount for Davis, who’s not a strong defender anywhere and is striking out in north of 30% of his trips to the plate.
Smith has had an even tougher year, posting a .203/.281/.301 line in 139 tallies. He’s not connected on a single longball and spent some time on optional assignment to Triple-A Syracuse. Both Davis and Smith have pre-2022 track records of offensive productivity, but their combined .228/.313/.337 showing (entering Tuesday) hasn’t been sufficient for bat-first players.
Over the past few weeks, Heyman has linked the Mets to rental bats Trey Mancini and Nelson Cruz. With Alonso locked in at first base, interest in those players suggested the club was looking into DH possibilities. Alderson flatly stated there’s “probably an opportunity to improve there” and noted that the prospect acquisition cost for defensively-limited bats isn’t likely to be exorbitant.
That could also be true of the bullpen, which Alderson said “needs to be strengthened.” The prospect talent required to land relief help certainly varies depending on the target. Prying away Pirates star closer David Bednar, as an example, would take a massive haul. Yet there are various lower-impact relief arms with lesser windows of remaining control who’d not require a huge prospect return. Mike Puma of the Post suggests (on Twitter) that adding a left-hander could be particularly important; after releasing Chasen Shreve last week, the Mets are down to Joely Rodríguez as the sole southpaw in the bullpen.
Alderson didn’t tip his hand as to specific targets, but there are a number of middle or late-inning arms who look likely to be available. The Cubs (David Robertson and Mychal Givens) and Tigers (Andrew Chafin, Michael Fulmer and Joe Jiménez) both had multiple relievers placed among MLBTR’s top 50 trade candidates last week. Chafin is one of a handful of southpaws who could change hands, as are Rangers breakout hurler Matt Moore and the D-Backs Joe Mantiply.
While adding a bat and some relief pitching seem to be priorities, Alderson indicated the club didn’t feel a pressing need to address the starting rotation. He pointed to the high acquisition cost that’d be associated with landing an impact starter. Later in the conversation, New York’s president downplayed the possibility of dealing from the top of the farm system in any fashion. “We want to try to preserve the prospects we have,” Alderson told the Post. “We have to be careful about who we move, and for what reasons.” He name-checked catcher Francisco Álvarez and corner infielder Brett Baty as prospects the club was highly unlikely to deal. Alderson pointed to last season’s trade of former first-rounder Pete Crow-Armstrong for half a season of Javier Báez as a deal that dealt a big blow to the farm system in recognition of Crow-Armstrong’s excellent start to the 2022 campaign in Low-A.
The reluctance to deal from the top of the system jibes with a recent report from Bob Nightengale of USA Today, who wrote last week that the team was likelier to try to leverage their financial power than move top-tier young players. Alderson confirmed as much, saying they’d prefer to “err on the side of money, as opposed to the side of prospects” in trade talks. There’s no guarantee the opportunity to take on a higher-priced player will present itself, but the reluctance to deal from the top of the system seems to cast doubt on the chances of landing an impact starter in the Luis Castillo or Frankie Montas mold.
That may also be true of catcher, where the Mets have gotten lackluster production this season. Willson Contreras is the clear top player available at the position, but the Cubs are sure to land a strong return. New York has James McCann under contract for the next two seasons, but the veteran hasn’t provided much at the plate and is currently on the injured list. That’s left the club to rely on the light-hitting duo of Tomás Nido and Patrick Mazeika.
Álvarez is viewed by most evaluators as the franchise’s catcher of the future, but he’s only 20 years old and was just promoted to Triple-A for the first time. Alderson expressed a desire for him to get extended reps against Triple-A pitching before he’d be considered for an MLB look. That’d seemingly leave catching to Nido and Mazeika until McCann returns, particularly with a thin market at the position. Tucker Barnhart and Kurt Suzuki are impending free agents on non-competitive teams, but neither has played well this season. Roberto Pérez and Mike Zunino may have been trade candidates, but both suffered long-term injuries that take them out of that picture.
mj-2
Won’t matter. Atlanta hasn’t even looked good these last two games and it’s been competitive. Imagine the Mets pitchers aren’t locked in for once, Braves will eat this team alive the rest of the way.
Enjoy your WC series Mets
User 401527550
Imagine how worse the Braves will look when degrom is back in the rotation.
Benjamin101677
Degrom is a solid pitcher but all Atlanta takes is a walk a broken bat hit and with their power bats the game changes.
Imagine if the Braves get Kirby Yates a great reliever back after some point and Ozzie Albies could be early August return time line so be totally different too.
Having a 1-9 line up that can all hit home runs adds a big challenge for any pitcher. There are not a lot of places to go in the lineup for easy outs.
Power bats are what the Mets are greatly missing
Flyby
may i ask how you are getting those walks when 5 of those 9 lead the league in strikeouts and only 1 player in that bunch gets walks at a decent rate? Solo homeruns will get you a couple of games but you need guys on base to break the game open. Could they use another power bat yes but that is like saying hey could xyz team use another reliever?
Smacky
Dude hasn’t thrown a pitch in MLB in a year. What happens when Mike Soroka and Kirby Yates, who also haven’t pitched in an year, come back?
You Can Put It In The Books
Soroka will immediately tear his other Achilles.
rct
The Mets haven’t looked good, either, yet the series is 1-1 despite being in Atlanta. And McNeil and Marte haven’t played. They still have a better record than Atlanta versus teams over .500, too, and now have Scherzer back and probably deGrom in a few weeks barring a setback.
The division will be competitive. Neither team is going to ‘eat [the other] alive’.
Bill M
@rct. Excellent comment. So many haters on here on both sides but what you’re saying is about as sensible as you can get. I think the second half of the season NL East race will be pretty interesting and fun. Trade deadline moves will be a huge factor for the top 4 teams
gmetwagner
Ding mother f*^kin dong. Some comments are so hubristic and fallacious. Thank you for some rational thinking.
Crazies in Camden
Clearly you don’t watch baseball lol. Another foolish comment by a nobody lmao!
Cosmo2
Another foolish comment? This from someone who tells a baseball fan that they “clearly don’t watch baseball” rather than actually back up their own point. I mean, given a venue to elaborate your own opinion and instead you just hurl an insult disguised as a ridiculous assumption. Not foolish at all.
bluetooth2
I agree Mets aren’t a division team WC only lack of power is a big reason
Sunday Lasagna
Mets have scored just as many runs as the Braves this year. Why does it matter how they got the runs? Mets do it with bunches of hits, Braves do it with home runs. Season to date, same run scoring result.
Cosmo2
Mets aren’t a “division team”. They currently LEAD the division but other than that….
You Can Put It In The Books
@bluetooth
There’s more than one way to score runs. With their THREE home runs today, the Mets have scored more runs than Lukewarm-lanta on the year. Oops.
bryan c
Lol. How did that feel? No McNeil, no Marte and no deGrom and took 2 of 3 on the road. Atlanta is home run or nothing. Hit three and still got whipped. Learn a bit about sustainability. Teams that can’t score unless it’s a home run rarely win long term
Cosmo2
But… but… but the Mets have no power bats
You Can Put It In The Books
@bryan
I wouldn’t expect a response. Numerous Braves trolls have already put their foam tomahawks away, prepared to ghost these boards tonight until they slink quietly into a tear-filled slumber.
TradeAcuna
Hopefully, they find someone who can hit a ball over 100 mph. All I see is the Mets hitting the ball under 100 mph and finding gaps to score. If only the umps stop giving the Mets all the calls that go to replay that is objectively 50/50 as well.
No matter what happens tomorrow, the Braves are objectively better in every way, maybe other than having a true ace like Max S. Then again, it would have been sad if their 38 year old 40 mil per year guy didn’t pitch well last night.
Bk11235 2
Bro you know mets played without mcneil and marte right? And we still split. Scherzer dominated and degrom and walker who dont pitch in this series are killing it. Plus cohen will do whatever it takes at trade deadline. Both teams are super good but to say braves are better is not the truth
NashvilleJeff
The article indicates that the Mets aren’t going to “do whatever it takes at trade deadline.” They’ll spend money on a bad contract, but don’t appear willing to trade any of the few decent prospects they have. DeGrom isn’t “killing it’ either. He’s still trying to rehab his way back to relevance.
bluetooth2
They not only better but way better than the Mets Braves will the division by a lot
stymeedone
According to the standings, the Mets are currently the better team. The only category that matters is Ws!
gorav114
If they want Mancini they should also target Lopez, Tate, or Bautista. Take much bigger prospect but solves both bat and reliever
mj-2
Is Mancini really available? For once the Os are putting together a good season with a real shot at the postseason. Finally crawled up to .500. I’m not saying they should be buyers, but it’s be a slap in the face to their fans to sell everything off right when they make a push.
bucsfan0004
My mind is mush, but there’s an Odor joke somewhere in that comment.
Samuel
“If they want Mancini they should also target Lopez, Tate, or Bautista.”
GoRav;
Did you know that the Orioles have a number of quality prospects that will be coming up to the majors next year…..and even a few before 2022 is over? Far more quality prospects than the Mets have. And the Orioles train theirs properly in the minor leagues.
Today MLB is a playoff league that turns on a teams bullpen. The Orioles developed those bullpen pitchers (and you’re omitting at least 2 others that are high quality). They’re not going to trade them to develop other players for large market teams. Those days are over. They want to win…and not in maybe 2 or 3 years.
FarhanFan22
Yeah the orioles are great at talent development. Like Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman.
There are at least 8 AL teams better than Baltimore, 4 in their own division. They better focus on talent collection because they’re not winning anything this October
Samuel
metsfanina22;
Dylan Bundy and Kevin Gausman were under the past Orioles regime.
Please try to keep up.
Bk11235 2
I dont believe those 3 pther teams in their division are better. Orioles will inflict serious damage on al east and decide playoffs series and who makes or doesnt make it
FarhanFan22
So the current group hasn’t developed any talent. Great and I’d bet every dollar I have that Baltimore doesn’t make the playoffs.
O’s fans are acting like they won the World Series for being in last place.
Cosmo2
Yea there is some weird over confidence being thrown about here just because a team is simply no longer absolutely terrible. Let’s see how folks feel at the end of the season when the O’s have regressed.
C Yards Jeff
@metsfaniba22 & Cosmos2; Os fan since 64. Here because of Buck. After Earl Weaver, my favorite Birds manager. Yep, the Braves are a serious adversary but you’ve got the right guy at the helm to fend them off.
Down here in Baltimore, general fan consensus concerning direction of club is the future not now. And Elias has pretty much indicated here recently in the media that that continues to be the plan. Grateful that John Angelos is a hands off owner and does not meddle in the baseball decision making. My gut says, his dad, Peter, intensely passionate for the game, would have “stuck his nose” in the middle of what’s happening now resulting in taking team off course. John, keep being you! Keep letting Elias and company call the shots!
Cosmo2
I was a big Weaver fan even though I was just a kid back then. Wasn’t he real big on the idea that all 25 guys on the roster had to contribute? Back before that meant using a thousand relievers.
C Yards Jeff
@Cosmos; yes, adept at moving “pieces” around the 25 for sure! My favorite. Platooning Roenecke and Lowenstein. Plus, the man bled black and orange. Don’t cross him blue, if you do you’ll get a finger in your face and verbal butt kicking. We loved Earl! A winner and an entertainer.
It was a different era, a different game back then. Starters completed games and far less injuries. Managers today don’t have these luxeries. In Baltimore, I thought Buck was a master at moving pieces not just on the 25 but between Baltimore + AAA as well. He was keenly aware of what he had at the AAA level. Like Earl, Buck won for us in Baltimore. Forever grateful that Peter Angelos hired him.
C Yards Jeff
@GoRav114: agreed, would the Mets trade someone like Butto for a Mancini & Tate package?
gorav114
I think it’s close. Prob take 1 more lower end guy. I think the Os are looking for someone they can plug in rotation next season. Botto at 24 might be close but they probably wouldn’t like that he’s already on the 40
C Yards Jeff
@GoRav114 Yes, close, agreed if 23 not 24 is O’s launch season. I’m thinking Elias is looking at 24 not next year as “the year” thus my thought on this trade. Interesting times! Fun to follow for sure. Intrigued with Butto. IE looks like he doesn’t throw hard yet he’s a 40 guy. I think that says a lot. In 24 is it okay to picture a guy like that sandwiched in between Rodriguez and Hall in the rotation?
Al Hirschen
Go get Nelson Cruz.
Benjamin101677
Depends on what Mets wants to give up. Cruz is not the Cruz of years before.
Watching the Braves vs Mets last two games I see the Mets lack of power as a major issue. The Mets don’t have a deep line up missing power at third base; left field and designated hitter.
It’s a lot easier for a team with power like Atlanta to get a walk a bloop hit and a big home run to change a game. Mets have to other than with Alonso string a few more hits together.
Without more added power bats I think the Braves eventually over take them in the division
Jeffrey R. Kosnett
The third baseman and left fielder both went yard today. They do need a DH but not one who strikes out all the time and cannot run.
Cosmo2
Escobar hit a home run today. So what? That changes nothing. You’re basing his entire season on one at bat? Talk about recency bias. His OPS+ coming in was 84. Not good enough. And where are you gonna find a DH that doesn’t strikeout much and can run? What DH can run?
bluetooth2
On the decline I would stay away from Cruz
gorav114
Is Sammy Sosa not available? I love Cruz missile but he is done
Cosmo2
Cruz is not a significant upgrade over what we have and is no better of a fielder than Davis or Smith in LF. What would possibly be the point?
Samuel
“At 54-34 with a +70 run differential, New York looks very likely to reach the postseason.”
Not necessarily.
You Can Put It In The Books
Well supported. Thanks for your brilliant contribution.
pobbsjr
*Michael conforto has joined the chat
rct
He’s out for the year with an injury.
solaris602
Scott Boras says he should be good to go by September. He doesn’t say it in his typical over the top, blustery way which means he’s lying.
jakec77
I have a feeling that bridge is burned for the Mets, but once the draft is over I assume he will sign with someone- I’m thinking two years, imcentive laden, player opt out after this one if he is able to reach 100 plate appearances.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Joey Gallo?
Captain Judge99
@YankeeBleacherReport- hey take it easy! He did have a nice swinging bunt last night to the left-side, for the lst time in almost 2 years! Lol
Cosmo2
Only if you throw in Frazier and Ed Whitson.
VonPurpleHayes
I see Josh Bell and Matt Moore in Flushing.
VonPurpleHayes
To clarify, I think they’ll add more than just Bell and Moore. But I have those two going to the Mets.
jimmyz
Josh Bell would be a great fit. Covers DH spot most days and can give Alonso a day off once a week or so at first. Not sure if that’s the move they want to make though being a trade within the division and a stated preference to err on the side of money not prospects.
Armaments216
I can see the Nationals trading Cruz within the division. He’s only been a rental for them anyway. They might demand a premium for Josh Bell.
mt in baltimore
Mike Elias is on Line One..
C Yards Jeff
If anyone is on line one, it would be Eppler in this situation? I would think right about now a GM like Elias is sitting in that proverbial rocking chair on that big rap around porch enjoying a tall, cool and tasty Arnold Palmer.
whyhayzee
The only thing more comical than the comments on a Yankee article are the comments on a Mets article. Both teams seem to bring out the “under a rock” folks. (I should talk, right?)
Samuel
whyhayzee;
Yes…..
I’d try to reason with Yankee fans on here but they’d only ban together and attack me with circular nonsense and bait me into arguments. Finally I got fed up and put all that did it on Mute. Up until you wrote that I hadn’t realized that more and more Mets fans are getting like that now having an owner that basically spends money because they can’t develop players any other way. Their team is now primarily a bunch of overpaid veterans past their prime that are beginning to fade this year as they did last year.
Have to deal with some nonsense on any social media platform. Difference of opinion and having a back and forth is one thing. But the never-ending types can chase a well-meaning person off (which is their aim). Think I’ll bring out the Mute button for the Mets fans (have other ankle biters on Mute as well). Makes this comment section enjoyable.
stymeedone
The Mets new regime hasn’t had time for the farm system to be overhauled, and produce players. Lets see how they do.
whyhayzee
There’s nothing the unintelligent hate more than the intelligent. There are a smattering of quality Yankee and Met fans among the riff raff.
Hurricane Sandy
You can probably start by not commenting on a Mets post.
Samuel
Don’t see them if I Mute the authors.
Done.
drasco036
Unfortunately for the sandy and the Mets, teams are not going to give away their players for financial relief (unless they think Myers or hosmer are upgrades).
If the Mets are truly reluctant to give up from their upper echelon of prospects, they are going to watch the Braves over take them and see the distance between the padres and dodgers increase.
The Mets, padres and Yankees should be in World Series or bust mode, not just patching holes but actually making impact, tide shifting moves. Thinking you’re going to do it with “financial might” isnt getting you the talent you need.
Sunday Lasagna
I’m not saying the Mets would do it, but do you really think the Cubs say no if the Mets agreed to take on the $37M still owed to Heyward in exchange for a 10 week rental of Contreras before he becomes a free agent and could pull a Chapman and go right back to the Cubs? At some point enough money can buy almost anything.
drasco036
Actually yes, I think the Cubs would absolutely tell the Mets to pound sand.
The cubs value the trade return more than moving heywards salary. If you need an example, the cubs paid all of Rizzos remaining salary last season to acquire alcantara and vizcaino.
As much as cry baby cub fans complain, ricketts hasn’t been mandating the removal of salary the way the reds ownership has. He’s allowed hoyer to spend and in no way would the cubs move Contreras, their second best trade chip, just to move heyward. That’s a mid market move and cubs aren’t playing checkers.
drasco036
The Mets might be able to play that game with reds… drury and moose for what equates to nearly nothing in return.
drasco036
Sandy: “Jed, this is Sandy”
Jed: “You mean the Mets 7th choice of PBO”
Sandy: “Steven Cohen is our owner, bow down to the impressive spending might of the Mets”
Jed: “my franchise is worth like 2 billion dollars more than yours….
Sandy hangs up, looks at the financial disaster the Mets are in next year as 4/5 their rotation are free agents, crawls into the corner, sucks his thumb
Flyby
Lets assume all 4 go to free agency, do you think the mets will not be tagging at the minimum degrom and bassitt. Bassitt may accept the QO as it is just above the mutual option and i dont see him making huge bucks on the open market especially if draft compensation is attached to him.
Also you forget that those 3 come up to about another 50ish mil leaving the mets with 150M payroll not including non-tenders. I am guessing Cohen is probably going to be at the cohen tax line which im guessing is around 270M thats 120M. I think most teams total payrolls arent that high.
You Can Put It In The Books
The Mets are looking great this series, less deGrom, Marte, McNeil, etc. Can’t wait to see which bats and relievers they add at the deadline. They’re probably gonna add a starter as well. Side note for you hater dingbats – everything Alderson says regarding their prospects is a smokescreen. If you think he won’t trade the one(s) they’ve identified as not being part of the future core then you’re very naive or you’re just a hater (likely the latter). Nobody goes out and announces the hand they’re playing to the media. Stick that in the back of your brain and prepare to watch the Mets’ ride to the World Series.
Sunday Lasagna
@in the books, you are correct. Smokescreens and hidden agendas make for a good GM! I see negative comments about how much hype Cashman puts into prospects that don’t pan out after they are traded. I mean seriously was Justus Sheffield ever that good or was Cashman just a genius making everyone think he was?
You Can Put It In The Books
Not sure why people don’t understand this concept.
Robrock30
Why is Alderson running his mouth here? The Mets hired a GM Eppler and a Wise Manager in Buck who Steve Cohen should Trust. Why is Alderson still in the Mets Organization?
He needs to be put out to pasture.
You Can Put It In The Books
Pretty sure your coworkers would say the same if you.
Samuel
Robrock30;
Yes, it’s a bit confusing.
Mr. Alderson is supposed to be the club President, primarily concerned with financial issues. Mr. Eppler is supposed to be the GM. The Baseball Ops position is still open as they’re hoping Mr. Sterns will take that this offseason. Meanwhile, we all know that Mr. Cohen is involved in everything of note regarding the roster.
Now……
Which cup is the pea under?
You Can Put It In The Books
It’s simple really. Alderson will be involved in some of the day-to-day until the baseball ops position is filled. I don’t think there’s anything more to it than that.
Cosmo2
Honestly it confused me as to why he was the one making the announcement. Too many cooks…
Robrock30
Cosmo,
The problem is that Alderson and his Son should not be out front speaking to the media about the Team Roster. That is the GM’s job which it appears that Alderson hasn’t delegated.
Sunday Lasagna
Alderson said one statement in months, it’s a non issue. …..and other Team presidents do talk roster from time to time as well.
Cosmo2
If you follow the team (I mean you may, I don’t know) you can see that there is some vagueness as to who is in charge of what. Sandy isn’t a typical team president. His past with the team could somewhat undermine the GMs power if he is too visible.
Robrock30
Samuel,
The Better Question is why didn’t they address these holes in the offseason? Most Fans knew that Dom / JD Davis / Cano was not a DH solution and the RP wasn’t completed. They folded their spending as soon as Cohen hit the Cohen Luxury Tax Level in the new CBA which made no sense at the time.
You Can Put It In The Books
Don’t disagree on the RP and stopping their spend; however, there was at least some hope for Davis and/or Smith to bounce back to some extent. It hasn’t happened, but it’s somewhat revisionist to suggest they’d be as bad as they’ve been.
You Can Put It In The Books
Edit: “to suggest *most fans knew* they’d be as bad as they’ve been.”
Sunday Lasagna
@robruck, yes while the 29 other teams filled absolutely every hole they had the Mets sat on their hands and only addressed holes up to a $290 million payroll. Yep, that’s what happened in the off-season……….
Cosmo2
Smith and Davis’ track records, especially Davis and considering Dom would hit only vs righties, suggested they’d be a perfectly good DH combo. This “most fans knew” thing is way off base. They’re not really even that bad now. Sure, Josh Bell would be an improvement but he’s a monster at the plate right now. I still don’t see DH as the problem. Third base and catcher are problems.
Tommy Metsfan
Ideally, I think they can spring Mancini and Bautista for a package of Smith and two prospects. Mauricio and a pitcher. Despite stating not interested in moving prospects, something must be done to add a righty slugger and an arm in the BP. And obviously McNeil has to have better timed sex and Marte should be more forthcoming with injuries. In my opinion, Marte, who is fantastic, pulled up on what would have been difficult catches that he usually makes. I am not at all discouraged but there is a need to bolster the lineup particularly DH.
mookiesboy
Os fan chimes in
Rocker49
Jose Siri seems like just the piece to push them over the top, should pay up for him.
darkstorm97
Teams like the Mets and Phils make me SMH. Not to sound rude, but if they spent more time evaluating and then developing their own talent they (like say the Rays) and then locking that talent up with the big money (as Rush called it) they wouldn’t be in a spot where they constantly have to upgrade. Or have 4/5 of their starters who were fa’s from other teams.
Not a hater. I just feel like these big market clubs have a backwards philosophy.
VonPurpleHayes
The Phils recently overhauled their entire development staff. We won’t see the impact of this for 5+ years. But just because teams are bad at evaluating and developing talent doesn’t mean they’re not spending enough time and money in those areas. Also big markets don’t have the luxury to tank for years to develop a farm. Teams like the Pirates and Orioles can suck it up for half a decade, develop a young core and make a run or two before blowing it up again. Big markets have to look like they’re competing every year even when they aren’t.
stymeedone
Actually, big market teams would have more leeway in tanking because the TV contract provides the vast majority of their revenue. Attendance provides only a small percentage. Plus a larger fan base means more people to buy tickets as front runners spend elsewhere. Small markets don’t have that luxury. Attendance is required to meet budget. Fewer fans leaves less demand when team struggles, not enough die yards to sustain sales. The salary level sustained, by large markets, just keeps a level of talent on the roster to look like they are not rebuilding. Case study : Angels
VonPurpleHayes
@stymeedone There are pressures, other than financial ones, that prevent large markets from tanking. I see your point, but the Mets and Phillies would get absolutely annihilated by the media if they were rebuilding for more than 5 years. The Phillies came off a rebuild from 2013-2017. It was a gigantic failure with very little MLB talent developed. Hoskins and Nola were really the only pieces that worked out. The Phillies have stunk at rebuilding, drafting, scouting and most importantly developing for the majority of the franchise’s existence. But I don’t think that’s from lack of trying. They very rarely mad many bad trades. They just have been terrible at finding young talent. When you can’t develop a core, you may be forced to buy one is my point.
The Mets are a bit of a different story, as they had some tremendous success in developing young talent in the last few decades, but they were never able to put it together. Cohen just went nuts and essentially bought a brand-new team in free agency. It’s working out so far. So you can’t really bash it.
jim stem
Nimmo
McNeil
Alonso
deGrom
Peterson
Lugo
Smith x2
Megill
Nido
Guillorme
…all home grown. That’s not too shabby.
Alvarez
Baty
Vientos
Mauricio
…up and coming.
I think Dom, Drew Smith and JD get traded for lefty relief. Vientos maybe gets the call up to DH and play some 3B, giving Escobar some breaks and Baty more reps at AAA.
Mets need another offense minded outfielder like Mancini, who can also DH and play 1B. But it’s possible the Orioles may have just fooled themselves into not being sellers.
Cosmo2
That’s a lot to give up for lefty relief. Especially since you’re also subtracting from the bullpen as well.
tidybowlman
The Mets have a ton of home grown guys and more coming up. What’s your comment based on?
VonPurpleHayes
A ton? Today’s starting lineup has 3. One is a backup because McCann is injured, but McNeil is also injured so 3 makes sense.
You Can Put It In The Books
@VonPurpleHayes
Once again, conveniently bending facts to fit your narrative. That may work for the high school newspaper you write for but not here. Let me learn you a thing or two.
For the 40-man, I have deGrom, Alonso, McNeil, Nimmo, Guillorme, Nido, Dom Smith, Peterson, Megill, Lugo, and Drew Smith. All with the exception of deGrom have made contributions towards this 1st Place team. Not sure why you’d exclude any of them.
They have a farm that, to tidybowlman’s point, includes guys ready to come up later this year and in 2023 including: Vientos (will be the first call-up), Alvarez, Baty, Matt Allan, Ronny Mauricio (who I believe will be traded at this deadline), and Jose Butto. Say what you will about the farm’s depth, but they have the #10, #11, and a comp pick in this upcoming draft. Plus a few guys in the 2024-2025 graduation class that could possibly turn into something (Alex Ramirez is probably the best of that group).
And not that they should be included, be it’s worth mentioning at least: the Mets developed Wheeler, Syndergaard, Conforto, Matz, Rosario & Gimenez (who netted them Lindor) into pretty good players. They also flipped guys they identified as expendable in Jared Kelenic, Pete Crow-Armstrong, Anthony Kay, Simeon Woods Richardson, and Justin Dunn in order to acquire Edwin Diaz (he’s pretty good, huh), Marcus Stroman and Javy Baez – so other teams clearly value the Mets prospects, even if you don’t.
“The smartest guy in the room” strikes again.
VonPurpleHayes
@MetsFan22 I wasn’t trying to twist the narrative at all. I’ve been complimenting the Mets this entire thread. I complimented the Mets ability to scout and develop and insulted the Phillies failure to do so. But I also pointed out that the reason for the Mets current success is clearly the smart spending on free agents, something the OP was criticizing. But sure. Pick and chose what you like and don’t like to comment on.
It all started with the OP’s quote “Teams like the Mets and Phils make me SMH. Not to sound rude, but if they spent more time evaluating and then developing their own talent they….”
But you only have the ability to read some of the story, probably because so many people have you blocked despite your new “disguise.”
The Mets are very good and doing everything right. Enjoy it and leave me alone. Thanks.
VonPurpleHayes
Let’s just agree to mute each other shall we? Wasting each other’s time.
You Can Put It In The Books
My time has not been wasted. I enjoyed breaking down the Mets roster.
But YOU can do as YOU please, Mr. Hayes.
Robrock30
NYM Lineup Today
B Nimmo (L) CF
F Lindor (S) SS
P Alonso (R) 1B
L Guillorme (L) 2B
M Canha (R) LF
Do Smith (L) DH
E Escobar (S) 3B
T Jankowski (L) RF
T Nido (R) C
ATL Lineup Today
R Acuña (R) RF
D Swanson (R) SS
M Olson (L) 1B
A Riley (R) 3B
W Contreras (R) C
E Rosario (L) DH
A Duvall (R) LF
R Canó (L) 2B
M Harris II (L) CF
WoW What is wrong with this picture?
VonPurpleHayes
I have no idea what point you’re trying to make.
Robrock30
VonPurpleHayes,
I am happy to see you as I was spot on in my predictions of the Mets giving up their 10.5 Game Lead to the Braves. Do your Phils have it in them to catch the Mets?
VonPurpleHayes
I don’t think so. I think the Mets are actually really good and deep. Whoever takes the head to head series (Atl vs Nym) wins the division. Phils will take 3rd and hopefully a wildcard.
Cosmo2
When a team can slump a bit while slogging through some injuries and still remain on top that’s a good team. Certainly not a reason to go off all day on how faulty they are.
stymeedone
@robrock
You won’t be right until it actually happens.
Sunday Lasagna
@Robrock yeah, why are the Braves starting a washed up 39 year old at 2B, Rosario and Duvall with OPS+ of -5 and 81 in the outfield, no wonder the Mets won 2 out of 3.
Braveslifer
“New York looks very likely to reach the postseason. Holding off Atlanta to secure a division title and a chance at a top-two seed in the NL”
I’ve seen this storyline before.
Day1Mets
So have I, but to go to Atlanta without 2 all stars in the lineup and take 2 of 3. Sure seems like the Mets are a better team.
bryan c
History has nothing to do with this team. I totally agree that in the past the Mets would cower at the mere sight of the Braves. This was a series that showed this is not your fathers Mets
VonPurpleHayes
@bryan c Their run differential and record against above .500 teams shows that this isn’t last years Mets. Fans hoping for a collapse are going to be dissapointed. Can the Braves catch them? Sure. This was just one series, but I still have the Mets as the rightful favorite.
rememberthecoop
Hey, if Chafin changes hands, he’ll no longer be a southpaw!
Bill M
Nice one! Fact is, Mets made a big mistake in not pursuing Chafin last winter. Instead they cheaped out on Shreve and Rodriguez. Shreve is gone & Rodriguez has had some bad outings. Penny wise & pound foolish from the world’s richest owner. If they could get Chafin at the deadline, that would be huge.
bykoric
Give us Baty & Allan and you can have Wilson Contreras and David Robertson.
-Cubs
You Can Put It In The Books
It will likely be Baty or Mauricio heading out, but it won’t be for a rental like Contreras. You might want to temper your expectations on what the Cubs can get for him. I predict no more than one top 100 and that will likely be in the 75-100, fringe range, plus one or two other 18 year old lotto tickets.
bryan c
Lol. Wouldn’t trade Baty for the entire Cubs franchise. We have the top prospect in all of baseball playing catcher in AAA.
bryan c
The stories of a Mets collapse have been greatly exaggerated. No power? Hit three today in a big situation against a supposed top notch pitcher. Can’t compete? Cooled of the hottest team in the league in their house. Perhaps it’s the Braves that struggle when facing a legit team? They kicked the ball around, committed a balk, played back in the ninth in game conceding they don’t have any confidence against Diaz. Wow. I saw something a lot different than you did I guess. Atlanta is a very good team but they came up very short against the one team they needed to prove it to most even while the Mets are severely depleted missing their best all around hitter as well as an all star outfielder not to mention deGrom out and Atlanta avoiding Walker in the series. And all you deGrom hasn’t pitched guys – he is throwing 100-101 in rehab starts and should be back right after the break. Please don’t embarrass yourself and put Sroka in the same sentence as Jake.
You Can Put It In The Books
Nailed it.
bryan c
Also, take a deep look at the second half schedule for the Mets and the Braves.
jim stem
Sean Murphy from Oakland makes sense with Langoliers on the horizon. (King reference, just for fun.)