The Red Sox have acquired right-handed pitcher James Norwood from the Phillies in exchange for cash considerations, the Phillies announced.
The Phillies had previously designated Norwood for assignment, giving them a couple of days to find a taker. He had struggled with the Phillies, but nevertheless saw a fair amount of work. He made 20 appearances and pitched to an unfortunate 8.31 ERA. The other side of the coin is his 3.65 FIP, which suggests there could be a brighter future ahead for Norwood.
The Red Sox will see what they can coax out of Norwood. He has long had tantalizing stuff, but trouble with command. Across his 17 1/3 innings of work so far this season, he struck out 22 batters while walking nine. Those numbers aren’t bad, but he also surrendered 24 hits over that span. If he can get some batted ball luck in his direction, Norwood could find better results in Boston.
was hoping it was for o Fer Dugo
This is revenge for Workman.
Don’t think this’ll cover it..Embree be must accounted for as well…If Norwood’s era drops to a consistent 7 it’ll still be a win for Boston…
Wasn’t pivetta picked up from the Phillies also?
That’s the point. It was the same trade. The Red Sox very clearly won.
Yup. Although Pivetta needed to move. He stunk in Philly and was given multiple opportunities. At the time of the trade the Phillies were 1 game out of the playoffs with a historical bad bullpen. All they needed was 1 mediocre reliever to make the playoffs. Instead they got 2 terrible relievers who made them even worse. Philly missed the playoffs by 1 game. They would’ve been trounced early anyway. Pivetta turned it around a bit in Boston, but the Phillies rotation is better off without him. Boston won that trade by miles, but I understand the logic behind it from the Phillies perspective.
Boston won that trade by miles, but I understand the logic behind it from the Phillies perspective.
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That happens in a lot of trades.
1-You can only give a guy so many shots. Pivetta had a 5.50 in parts of four seasons with the Phillies, with an ugly 15.88 in his last season. Had he stayed with the Phillies, I think he was an automatic demotion, and I doubt he’d have ever recovered.
2-They absolutely needed to make a move. Hembree was a 123 ERA+ pitcher for the RS and Workman was coming off an incredible (if unrepeatable) season with a 10-1, 16 saves, and a 1.88 ERA and 13.1 K/9.
It wasn’t a bad trade; it was a bad result.
The trade was Brandon Workman & Heath Hembree for Nick Pivetta & Connor Seabold (who is dominating at AAA). While the trade made some sense at the time it happened, it ended up being one the of the most lopsided trades we’ve seen in baseball for a long time! Pivetta has settled in to become one of the best #3 or #4 starters in all of baseball, and Seabold continues to shine in the upper minors. It’s only a matter of time until Seabold is called up to Boston. Meanwhile, I believe both Workman and Hembree are out of the MLB now.
I am a little puzzled why Boston decided to waste a 40-man spot on Norwood. You’d think they’d let him clear waivers and sign him to a minor league deal instead but Boston’s bullpen is so bad right now that maybe Dave Bush & Co. can teach him how to limit his walks and actually make a positive contribution for this team out of the pen. Just like Pivetta, sometimes it only takes a change of scenery and change of pitching coaches to put it all together. He has the stuff needed to be a successful pitcher. It’s just a matter of putting it all together. Fingers crossed!
Let’s not act like Pivetta is an ace. He’s had a good stretch, but he hasn’t shown that he’s fully there yet. Still a lopsided trade certainly.
VonPurple:
What you think you read — “Pivetta is an ace.”
What was actually written — “one of the best #3 or #4 starters ”
Exaggerations at this place are so tiring.
I was referring to “one of the most lopsided trades we’ve seen in baseball for aong time!” That’s exaggerating Pivetta’s value. But thanks for you snarky commentary that I am sure is not “tiring” at all.
VonPurpleHayes, as a Red Sox fan I appreciate your posts. Honest and straightforward. Good takes. Don’t mind these other folks who seem to look for confrontation at every turn even when unwarranted.
To be fair, I don’t want to sound like I’m bashing Bloom or the Sox. Perennial contenders. They clearly know what they’re doing.
Ok lets agree that both think each other had snarky comments. Pivetta and Seabold are pitching very good for the Red Sox, and Philly got junk back. So the trade was very lopsided. But, nowhere does that imply Pivetta is an ace, or anything to do with his spot in the rotation. I think you just searched for something vague enough to justify your comment.
I just don’t see it as the nost lopsided trade in recent history. It’s Nick Pivetta. At best he’s okay.
Still better than Barnes or Valdez.
Lol definitely not
Still better than Barnes & Noble. Read it & weep
Barnes and Robles.
Cash Considerations = GOAT
My man cash consideration only second to my man COMMENTS CLOSED
I bet it was for tree fitty.
8 bucks !!!
traded for that damn lochness monster
Let’s see. 20 appearances….17 1/3 innings, 8.31 era, 24 hits, 22ks and 9 walks.
Holy dumpster diving Batman!!!
What all-star pitcher are you expecting to find on the D.F.A list?
go look at his FIP
Thank you @Rhyde1990. Phillies have terrible defense. Not saying this guy is the next best thing but he’ll have a good defense behind him. This year, his FIP is in the 3’s while his ERA is in the 8’s. That’s a huge difference and that tells you something about the Phillies’ defense.
Their is a trend with most Bloom acquisitions, and this fits the mold. He has a K/9 > 9, but without a lot of innings, Bloom thinks these guys can be fixed.
Davis was > 9.0, and has a 3.43/3.86 ERA/FIP with us. Schreiber with a 10.4, and now has a 1.19/2.58 with us. Not all these guys will pay off, but they are costing virtually no money.
Great defense can’t stop balls that land 20 feet over the fence. It also doesn’t prevent walks. I get it. Boston has good defense, but that wasn’t Norwood’s issue. This is the dude who blew a 7-1 lead in the 9th inning. He serves up absolute meatballs, and walks a ton.
You are right. Bloom loves his high strikeout guys.
Bloom’s speciality
Hopefully this is just filler for Worcester and not an actual option for the big club
he’s out of options
Yes, he is out of options, and on Monday, every team has to whittle down to 13 pitchers on the 26-man roster, so the Sox must be thinking they can DFA him at a time when clubs are cutting, not adding, pitchers, and they might be able to keep him and send him down to Worcester. He is momentarily occupying a 40-man slot, but I’m sure that is not the object here.
Horace your crystal ball is looking 20 / 20. I am sure he will be a DFA on Monday as well. Bloom has claimed and DFAed several pitchers this year Garza (but got claimed by TB), Tyler got claimed by SD or the Angels, it is a common strategy MLB teams use!
Worth taking a flyer on.. No harm in taking a look.
Great another bum for the bullpen.
He’s not going to the BP, genius, he’s going to the minors. I assume you also thought that Davis, Danish and Schreiber were also bums, right?
A live arm with no control. Showed a lot of promise in the minors. Needs to go to Driveline.
No control? He has no defense behind him.
Lol. You clearly didn’t see Norwood pitch.
I haven’t seen him pitch but we’ve made some seemingly stupid deals look good and his FIP numbers (which matter more) are decent.
You realize this is a completely low rise deal?
You were arguing about control. His control has been terrible. That’s all I’m saying. FIP can certainly be overvalued. Norwood has looked pathetic. I’d be shocked to see him in the majors long, but stranger things have happened.
I have seen this guy pitch a few times now. You can assemble the best defensive team around him in history and they wouldn’t be able to help him. He misses his target by a large margin on most of his fast balls, and cannot rely to controlling his off speed pitches enough to make any hitter not sit fastball. Fastballs they don’t have to question he can control. He walks so many because he terrible control, and nothing to make a hitter think about at the plate other then keeping their plate discipline. He is 28 if I remember. You can’t put him in with men on, or in a close game. Period. This is a blow out pitcher, either way.
The Chaim Bloom special. The dumpster diver’s special this week
…and that’s how his former team – the Rays – keep running out a superior bullpen.
“Bloom . . . dumpster diver” — Is that you FeverPitch? Sure sounds like it. I think FP has gone into hiding, and is using aliases as long as Red Sox are winning.
Odds are he’ll end up 25/25 in save opportunities to finish out the season. The Phillies bullpen is cursed everytime that clown Rhys Hoskins gives the too sweet after his once every three week power surge
Lol. Only you could bash Hoskins (who has been on fire) in a post about Norwood.
Lol. He’s probably one of those experts who want to get rid of Hoskins and move Realmuto to first base, because he would be such a great improvement
Realmuto deserves more hate than Hoskins. What a disappointment JT has been on both sides of the plate.
whose,
We thoroughly enjoyed your moronic word salad. Keep the great work coming! You’re awesome!
Thank you. I promise I will not disappoint. Bye for now
He can throw 96 and struck out on 22 in 17.1 innings. Worth a shot at getting him straightened out. Pivetta’s ERA was 15.88 with the Phillies before the Red Sox picked him up.
I agree he has a live arm, and plenty of velo, but I don’t want to watch him work on his lifelong problem with control of all of his pitches during a major league baseball game. If he can make it through waivers to the minors, let him sit down there and tear him down, and build him back up. If Cora places him in a game that is close, he will start a dumpster fire. As bad as his control is, it’s worse when the pressure is on. As is, I have seen him pitch a few times, and there is nothing at all that has me placing any trust in him to not run deep counts, fill bases, and need help from the next arm if the game hasn’t been broken open.
I don’t doubt it, William. I think he will be DFA’d and be taken by another team or pass through and go to the Red Sox minors.
He was with the Cubs, something must be wrong, he throws hard