Major League Baseball has handed down 12 suspensions arising from yesterday’s bench-clearing brawl between the Angels and Mariners. The league also handed out undisclosed fines. Nine of the individuals disciplined are from the Angels, while the Mariners lose a trio of players. The discipline is as follows:
Angels
- Interim manager Phil Nevin: Ten games
- Third baseman Anthony Rendon: Five games
- Assistant pitching coach Dom Chiti: Five games
- Right-hander Andrew Wantz: Three games
- Right-hander Ryan Tepera: Two games
- Right-hander Raisel Iglesias: Two games
- Bench coach Ray Montgomery: Two games
- Interpreter Manny del Campo: Two games
- Catching coach Bill Haselman: One game
Mariners
- Outfielder Jesse Winker: Seven games
- Shortstop J.P. Crawford: Five games
- Outfielder Julio Rodríguez: Two games
The fight occurred during yesterday afternoon’s contest (video link). Wantz, who opened the game for the Halos, threw a pitch behind Rodríguez in the first inning. That came on the heels of the Angels taking umbrage to an up-and-in offering from Erik Swanson to Mike Trout the night before, and it resulted in warnings from the umpiring crew. Wantz nevertheless hit Winker with the first pitch of the following inning. The Seattle left fielder initially seemed as if he’d simply take first base, but he wound up making his way towards the Angels’ dugout. That kicked off a few minutes of fighting that eventually resulted in the ejections of Wantz, Winker, Crawford, Rodríguez, Nevin, Tepera, Iglesias and Seattle manager Scott Servais.
Wantz’s suspension is for “intentionally throwing at Winker while warnings were in place,” according to MLB. Nevin has been suspended for Wantz’s pitches, while everyone else involved was banned for their roles in the melee itself.
Players are afforded an appellate right for on-field discipline. MLB announced that Wantz has already foregone his appeal and will begin serving his suspension today. The league didn’t indicate that any other players had done that, so they’ll remain on the roster while their suspensions are being heard. Rendon is on the injured list after undergoing season-ending wrist surgery two weeks ago. His suspension won’t take effect until he’s back on the active roster — meaning he’ll presumably miss the first five games of the 2023 season.
Coaches do not have the right to appeal their suspensions. Nevin, Chiti and del Campo will begin serving their bans tonight; Montgomery and Haselman will be out once Chiti returns five games from now.
Notably, players suspended for on-field rules violations cannot be replaced on the active roster. Ryan Divish of the Seattle Times tweets that the Mariners will be permitted to stagger any bans for their suspended players so as not to have the position player group decimated at the same time — it’s unclear if a similar setup will be in place for the Halos’ bullpen — but the teams will both be playing short-handed for a while once the appeals process is sorted out. While the Angels were dealt significantly more suspensions in terms of quantity, Seattle will feel the bigger hit in on-field production (assuming the suspensions aren’t overturned on appeal) with the subtraction of a trio of regulars from the lineup.
Ten games for Nevin?? Was he throwing haymakers or something? How does he get more than Winker?
Nevin literally started the entire thing.
I thought Raisel Iglesia was going to be suspended for a longer time after throwing the entire box of sunflower seeds in the field.
How, literally?
The Mariners started it on Trout. Wantz didn’t go after Winker’s head.
Went after Julio’s the inning before though, which would be the repercussion of trout not getting hit. To hit winker after that was weak, and making it obviously the managers decision. Especially the way wantz apologized during the melee
They did not throw at Trout intentionally. Nobody is going to go after one of the best in the game for hitting Upton. They also wouldn’t put the winning run on to get back for hitting a guy who has a buck and change BA. I know BA is no longer relevant but he went 0-9 to start and has done little to improve any relevant stats. Seattle lost Lewis for the same thing they didn’t go after anyone. Besides you threw at Julio it is over. The whole thing is bush league. You were mad you were going to get swept so you made this up to take eyes off getting swept. Our best hitters were all tossed. Lewis and Haniger are coming back soon that will fill the lineup much better. Hopefully they can stay healthy for the rest of the season.
You quite obviously did not watch the entire inning that Erik Swanson was pitching. He had NO control the entire inning, he walked the guy right before Trout, and when the second pitch close to Trout’s head turned into a wild pitch, that moved the runner up to 2nd and now the Mariners had an empty base to intentionally walk Trout.
I do not understand how anyone who actually watched the full inning can possibly believe Erik Swanson was intentionally throwing at Mike Trout, he clearly had no control the entire inning.
I applied Phil Nevin That’s how you protect one of your superstars like mike trout the night before they threw at his head I got to give Phil Nevin credit he has a pair of balls that’s how you play the game The Seattle mariners hitters had it coming you throw at one of ours we throw at one of yours its that simple that’s how you play the game
By the way Upton is no superstar
Yes they did. They threw up and in to make him uncomfortable because they couldn’t get him out. Have you ever seen Trout get upset? Mike Trout knew what was going on and everyone else did as well.
The fact you deny this shows you’re clueless.
@HomerSimpson: Way to completely ignore the video evidence and the points I raised.
Erik Swanson and the Mariners did not intentionally throw at Mike Trout. If you watch the FULL inning, and not just cherry-picked clips, it is CLEAR that Erik Swanson did not have his command the entire inning.
Wantz and Nevin both admitted they intentionally threw at Julio Rodriguez and Jesse Winker. Not even sort of the same thing.
Even Mike Trout said if you’re gonna hit me hit me in my ribs not at my head
@Halo11Fan: Again, go back and watch the FULL inning. Erik Swanson was NOT intentionally throwing at Trout’s head. Was he intentionally throwing up? Yes, that is one of the few weaknesses Trout has.
However, if you watch the FULL inning, and not just cherry-picked clips, it is clear that Erik Swanson had NO control the entire inning. He was not intentionally throwing at Trout’s head. If you believe so, you are letting your fandom blind you instead of looking at the evidence. Erik Swanson had control issues the entire inning, which is why there was a base runner on in front of Mike Trout, the pitching coach tried to talk to him to calm him down, but it didn’t work. Once first base was empty, the Mariners cut their losses and intentionally walked Mike Trout.
If you see anything else, you either don’t understand baseball or you are letting your homer feelings blind you to the truth.
Only angels fans think that was intentional
You ever see Mike Trout get mad, No doubt in my mind he was going up and in yo push him off the plate, If you go up and in and miss, something is going to happen the next game…duh!
Mike Trout, maybe the classiest player in this game took offense. He took offense for a reason. When Mike Trout takes offense, there is a reason for it, it’s going to be answered.
Duh.
The Ms started it Saturday night when they decided to throw at Mike Trout’s head because they couldn’t get him out.
No one with a clue thinks that was an accident.
Nobody with a clue thinks it was intentional. Go back and watch the full inning, Erik Swanson clearly had no control the entire inning. The Mariners did not have an empty base to intentionally walk Mike Trout specifically because of that lack of control. When the runner moved to 2nd on the wild pitch, the Mariners made the logical choice to cut their losses and intentionally walk Mike Trout.
Could you make an argument they should have intentionally walked him anyway? Sure. But if you go back and watch the entire inning, then I don’t understand how you can believe it was intentional.
Mike Trout owns the Seattle Mariners I think 35 or 36 home runs. So you throw at his head can’t get them out Seattle Mariners who’s your daddy (((MIKE TROUT)))
By the way I’ve watched it a few times that ball Was aimed at his head
So Mike Trout doesn’t have a clue.? Good to know what you think of Trout.
They threw up and in on purpose. No doubt about it.
@HomerSimpson @Halo11Fan: So the pitcher who clearly had control issues the entire inning was intentionally throwing at Trout’s head, but Lorenzen who did not have the control issues Swanson did accidentally hit Upton in the head?
To be clear, not trying to claim that Upton was hit in the head on purpose, just pointing out your CLEAR double-standards. Erik Swanson had control issues the entire inning, so to claim he intentionally aimed for Trout’s head is either completely idiotic or stupidly homer.
Also good to now that both of you let other people do your thinking for you instead of viewing the video with unbiased eyes and using your own thought processes.
I will not respond to either of you on this thread again, you both clearly cannot think for yourselves and view the video evidence with your own opinions and thought processes.
Endersgame
Oh you won’t reply maybe you should get off The pott
From what I saw on the replays, it was because the Angels intentionally started someone they knew they could be without for the game in a reliever. Therefore it was 100% premeditated and blatantly so. Many Mariners fans went overboard and stated he should be banned for life. I always thought that that was ridiculous. But I’m not unhappy with this 10-game suspension. To me it seems that it’s an appropriate punishment.
I was putzing around with my computer when I looked up to see a wave of red rushing the Seattle dugout. I was stunned at first although I ended up thoroughly entertained. It’s good no one was hurt, just a lot of chest thumping, which we come to expect from our athletes every once in a while.
I think your computer settings are off. The entire thing literally happened at the Angels dugout with the Mariners rushing over behind Winker
My bad, you’re right! I am color blind so that may have affected my interpretation!
After all is said & done, there’s nothing like a harmless baseball brawl to liven things up!
Always love when a pitcher gets less than 5 games. Why even appeal if your wantz? You won’t pitch again anyway until after that’s over.
players don’t get paid during suspension so it’s worth appealing for that reason.
They don’t get paid while on suspension. That’s why they appeal.
Forgot that part….thx
He’s a reliever though.
Wants isn’t appealing
They probably got Nevin to make up for some they missed when he played. He was a fiery player in the day. But 10 is a lot. He was pushing buttons.
As a Padre fan, yes. Nevin’s rear end was almost always bright crimson,
He treated Sean Burroughs, and other youngsters, with what he probably thought of as “tough love” but what looked to other people like “jealous bullying.”
By all accounts (and that is no exaggeration), Nevin was a jack— in college and as a minor leaguer. I think one scout called him the biggest jack— he’d ever met in baseball, My pop psych take is that Nevin thought EVERY rookie or hot prospect needed the —whipping that might have straightened him out in his younger days.
in hindsight, might explain why the astros traded him in his rookie year back in 1995 for nothing more than a 2 month rental on an old reliever (cause i know they were in the race that year, but still seems odd to trade a former number 1 overall pick with multiple option years remaining for something like that).
I usually don’t side with such strong negative opinions but my first hand experience with Nevin at CSFullerton corroborates much of what you’ve stated. He has managerial ambition but this is now on his resume.
Mike Henneman was only 33 when the Astros traded Nevin for him
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Losing Nevin benefits LA. He jeopardized the safety of his team, and it’s not like he isn’t replaceable. He’s a damn interim manager–and a bad one at that.
This wasn’t about the pitches up & in to Trout. Seattle wasn’t throwing at him in the 9th with runners on. That could have cost them the game and Nevin knows that.
I don’t have the quote on hand, but Nevin also stated that the team needed a spark/jolt/whatever like this and hoped this got the team going.
He also literally suggested going with a non-essential reliever as an opener was a coincidence and took not one, but two shots at Mariner hitters.
That’s why he got 10.
Stevil
You bag of hot air
you could end someone’s career with Swans Intentional fastball
Thanks again to MLBTR for the mute button!
He changed the lineup to use an opener. Not hard to figure it out. Thing is he couldn’t hit the guy he was supposed to. Nevis got off easy. Not sure why the teams weren’t warned when they changed pitchers. If they did that or even tossed the guy in the first would have been over.
I think you meant he put an opener in the rotation and no one has been listed to start this game, so I think this has been on the table for awhile.
One more thing is his name is Nevin.
I think a 25 game suspension is about right. The entire thing was because of him.
Just goes to show how classless the Angels organization is and always has been for the past generation.
Benjamin, you’re an idiot also blind. Didn’t see any angel players walking around cursing at the crowd and flipping them off. Your opinion is 100 percent biased.
Unbiased opinion here, I think this whole thing was caused by nevin and escalated by the angels
Classless the Angels is and always been the past generation? Please Explain. What has the mighty M’s done the last generation that’s been so GREAT?? You got a stupid GM that can’t go a day without making a transaction.
Angels pretty classless, wasting the best (2?) players in mlbs talents by being cheap with pitching, having a whiny owner that micro manages his gms in to getting players past their primes, there literally was a death in the organization a couple years ago caused by someone within the organization. You don’t even say any points to prove they have class either, you just say the other team has less, which is kind of admitting they don’t have any
Here goes it is all Dipoto’s fault. Took longer than I thought it would.
Hey Benji- How many homers does Trout have to hit before you genius manager stops pitching to him with 1B open?
After the previous game, Nevin indicated someone would get hit in the head.
He started a reliever for the sole purpose of hitting a batter.
After they threw at Rodriguez and missed, he sent the reliever back out to finish the job.
It was almost certainly upon his orders that Winker was hit.
Then after Winker was hit, he said stuff from the dugout to further provoke Winker.
Notice also that for the Mariners it was position players who got ejected and suspended. For the Angels it was coaches, and injured guy, an interpreter, and a couple of pitchers who won’t miss a single inning.. Any planning there?
The umpires completely messed up. They should have tossed pitcher and manager as soon as Julio was targeted. Failing that, the home plate umpire should have immediately tossed them when Winker was hit. Winker was standing there waiting for it to happen, and it was only when it didn’t happen that he went toward the dugout.
Here’s an article that was written before the decisions were made, and some of the predictions were wrong – but on the whole, this is how it went: msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/how-mlb-will-inevitably-g…
a couple of pitchers who won’t miss a single inning… They will be short 3 of the most reliable relievers they have at a time that bad relief has hurt them the most. They have been in almost all of the games from the start of the losing streak. That’s why they still have a + win deferential. At the very least they will be without a closer and back-end relief for 7 games with no roster replacements. then in 2023 no Rendon to start the season at a time that roster spots are big because Starting Rotation is not stretched out. I think you have reason to be upset, just don’t get too emotional.
So are you saying rendon, the first one out of the dugout, shouldn’t be suspended because he’s hurt? I feel he should have thought of that himself. Him nevin wantz and winker deserve most the blame in my opinion. Raisel deserved zero though, the umps threw him out wrongfully and should’ve called it a wash after they missed that call.
The umpires completely messed up. They should have tossed pitcher and manager as soon as Julio was targeted.
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If the umpires didn’t think that Wantz was deliberately throwing at Rodriguez, then they are the ones that should be suspended. That was about as obvious as anything I’ve ever seen.
Even the Interpreter Manny del Campo Get suspended for 2 games gee whiz did he say a bad word in Spanish
I guess the MLB commissioners got it in for the Angels
10 games for a 1st time interm manager is a long time.
Should’ve been more tbh
IMHO it should have been 30 games for nevin.
Winkler should’ve got more for throwing up the middle finger out the angel fans
Angels deserved some of these but the Mariners got off easy.
Why did we get off easy? Angels started the whole thing. They threw over the head of Trout. I honestly do not believe it was intentional there was no reason to do it. Trout has used our pitchers as batting practice forever.
3-4 weeks ago Lewis got hit in the head and there was no retaliation. He has been out for around a month. There was no retaliation. It was obvious the Angels set out to do this. Why put an opener in at last minute. They threw behind Julio. OK message sent should be over but no they hit the most volatile guy on the team. Then have someone keep chirping. It was bush league. If they hit Julio in the hip nothing would have happened. He would be smiling to first
If there is a reason to hit a guy I don’t think it is bad been part of the game forever. You get one chance. This guy was so incompetent he couldn’t hit the batter on purpose. Angels probably won the game because of the fight. We had 3 starters and our best hitters tossed. They had a relief pitcher manager and a guy on DH tossed.
“Angels probably won the game because of the fight”
As if that even matters for either of these teams lol
Winker flipped off the fans as it looked during the videos, plus the punches thrown.
Not only flipped them off, but his language towards fans was vile.
Exactly. He’s is the worst out of all of it.
Sorry, nevin was still the worst
What did Winker say?
Winker said
Ohhhh Wheres Chachi
Sorry, Henry Winkler was still the worst The fans didn’t have anything to do with it can you imagine if your mother and father and child were at the game and they flipped the bird at your parents
You people who say the Ms didn’t start this are clueless. The Ms intentionally threw at Trout’s head Saturday. Everyone who follows this knows this, Even Trout got upset and Trout almost never gets upset.
The Ms were going to get hit. Duh….. The Ms got mad because the Angels didn’t bend over and take it.
Halo11: As much as I agree with your assessment, I still think assigning blame to the pitchers throwing at players is a slippery slope. It gets us into a discussion about their intent, which only they truly know, even though it seemed apparent. Likewise with Nevin or others…it’s silly to try to assign them blame for the physics fight.
Nonetheless, the fact Winker fought off an umpire to go to the Angels dugout to physically fight players, more than once, is indisputable. Regardless of what the pitchers did (the umpires were dealing with that), and I agree on Trout for what it’s worth, Winker was the start of this entire incident & kept it going for much longer than it needed to be.
The Ms started this fight because Winker ran to the Angels’ dugout to fight and the Ms entire bench followed, with knucklehead Crawford leaping on top of the pile to get punches in too. Just my opinion, brother.
What did Winker think was going to happen? Of course he was the cause. Mike Trout was killing Seattle. They couldn’t get him out so they threw at his head. They also threw at Walsh’s head, just missing his helmet, earlier in the game.
The brawl happened because of what the Ms did. You can’t just barely miss two players heads and expect a team to sit on its hands.
The people who are supporting the Ms don’t follow baseball.
You are a moron. We have read your writings in here forever blaming Dipoto still for his time as GM there. You are so blind you think the Angled are perfect and everyone is out to get them.
Trout has killed the Ms his whole career. You think they are going to hit him on purpose? He was the winning run. They would have just put him on like they did multiple times this series.
@Halo11Fan: If you actually watched the full inning, how can you possibly believe Erik Swanson threw at Trout on purpose? Were they dangerous pitches? Absolutely. Was the pitch that hit Upton in the head dangerous? Definitely.
Go back and watch the full inning. Erik Swanson clearly had no control the entire inning, which is how there was already a runner on base when Trout came to the plate.
Should the Mariners have intentionally walked Trout immediately even with a runner on first? Probably. But I don’t understand how you can believe those pitches were intentional. If those were intentional, then so was Lorenzen’s pitch that actually hit Upton in the head.
You can’t have it both ways.
This is why it’s pointless to try to interpret motive behind HBPs. It’s just blaming each other’s pitchers and going back to each time one believes the other’s pitcher last intended to hit his team’s batter.
There’s clear wrongdoing here, and it’s separate and apart from what the pitchers did (although it stemmed from the ABs).
But Upton wasn’t barely missed last week. Matter of fact he was square on. But no mention of that. Just pretty boy Trout almost getting hit. And there was no retaliation from Upton getting hit. It could be said they hit Upton for signing with a team within the division. So in reality it’s 2 Mariners hit and another thrown at in Julio. And 1 Angle almost hit but not on purpose.
The game was on the line a chance to tie the game In the 9th don’t you think a high fastball at your head would make you uncomfortable in the batters box
Like when they threw a j rod already in the game? You realize how weak it looks that they have to throw at a rookie not even halfway in to his first season?
Is that to me. If it is, nothing you said about me is true,
Ken Griffey Jr was a classy guy, not as classy as Trout, but classy, if Ken Griffey Jr got upset at an up and in pitch… what would would the Ms have done?
You people are either clueless or bias. Everyone knows exactly what the Ms would have done. This is Mike f…. Trout. He makes noise for a reason and when he makes noise, which is almost never, they’ll will be a response.
Google Trouts response. Swanson admitted he went up an in on purpose. If you are wild, you don’t f…I guess go up and in on purpose. You people kill me.
While Nevin is certainly a jacka**. At least the Seattle pitcher plunked Winker below the waist as it should be in baseball. Winker’s the horse’s a*s for reacting as he did and escalating this fiasco.
Theoretically, what is to stop the Angels from, at the end of the year, activating Rendon off the IL to serve his 5 games?
Rosters only expand to 28 in September, might be too important to burn a roster spot on.
Bro, neither one of those teams are competing for anything except a higher draft pick.
likely true, all the more reason to activate him and play a man down for the final few games.
Manfred would see it for what it is, meaning an attempt to negate punishment. The Angels front office would have zero interest in creating an issue with the Commissioner’s office in an attempt to get special treatment for Rendon. Take your medicine and move on.
How is Anthony rendon participating in a brawl when hes out of the season with an injury ? If he is well enough to fight push pinch I think he would be well enough to swing a bat. Something seems off..
He was throwing punches with one hand other in a cast.
Watch the video. He was barking at Winker after Winker got hit by Wantz and hit him in the face a little
Rendon is one of the most hateable guys in the game. A real “not a good dude” off the field, no matter what the angels homer brigade thinks.
Can you expand what makes him hateable and not a good dude
A’sfaninUK-You’re full of crap. What is your source for that?
Us Dodgers fans hate him because he took a dig at us for no reason, there was no bad blood between the two current teams and Bellinger and trout were sharing covers of magazines and video games the year before. Hard to like him after that, even more hard after seeing his role in this
yogineely
Why do dodger fans boo Mike Trout when he comes up to the plate at dodger Stadium what has Mike trout done to dodger fans Can you answer my question?
I certainly do not and haven’t witnessed that! But also, I’m not going to try and stick up for our fans either or call you a liar. I love trout, I love ohtani, think you can’t possibly call yourself a fan of the game with out liking them. Good hard players with great attitudes
He didn’t hit him in the face. He put his hand on his face.
He had a cast on his hand my guy.
I thought Rendon would get 10 games. MLB doesn’t like ineligible players causing trouble from the bench. It’s too easy for inactive players and personnel to start trouble because they’re not playing and them getting ejected doesn’t hurt the team. I read elsewhere that he’s not allowed on the bench for the next week and his suspension starts when he gets off the IL. Rendon should have been banned the bench for the rest of this season so long as he’s injured, at least in games against the Mariners anyway…
He reacted to an individual that was irrate coming at him. He backed him off as he could.
The info re the suspensions to Rendon is correct. He can’t be in the dugout for the next 5 games, plus he gets another 5 game-ban to serve when he comes off the injured list. That’s per Mark Feisand of MLB Network.
I think the interpreter should probably be out of a job if he got involved… unless he was just interpreting a players view to the ump… which i find unlikely
Why should the lowest-paid guy lose his job over this nonsense while veterans who are making millions and had roles in starting it keep theirs?
MLB shouldn’t allow teams to stagger the suspensions. They shouldn’t get off that easy for these shenanigans.
David Fletcher named Interim-Interim Manager for the next 10 games…
How is Julio suspended? They didn’t even say what he did. M’s get 3 everyday players suspended and the Iglesias gets as many as julio who did nothing? Iglesias threw that big ass thing if seeds on the field and tried to incite more brawling
It was not appropriate but it if I’m honest I have to say it was funny as hell.
Oh yeah that slo-Mo video they have of him throwing the seeds is pure gold
Iglesias probably would have only gotten only one game if he hadn’t participated in Olympic level snack tossing. I think he was ejected by mistaken identity yesterday…
Julio did nothing? Watch the video bud lol.
Seen many versions. Julio didn’t throw any punches. Don’t know why he got suspended. He was holding some guts back, like a couple dozen other guys.
Would love to know what you think you see Julio doing in the video. He’s not on video doing anything that would merit a suspension. And nobody can get a straight answer out of the league as to what they even think he did.
I’d appeal
What video? What did he do?
He didn’t throw any punches, bud. He was holding guys back, bud. Sounds like you gotta watch the video, bud.
Interpreter Manny del Campo: Two games
Get rid of him
What a bunch of bull…. Winker gets 7 games, but Wantz, the guy who started the whole thing, only gets 3. And as a relief pitcher it’s really only a 1 or 2 game suspension, because he wouldn’t be pitching 3 days in a row anyway.
Winker.. the guy who rushed a bench with Rendon and Syndergarrd… did nothing? Ok lol. Hit him in the butt, either go to first or go to the pitcher lol.
Winker should’ve received 30. His actions towards the fans alone deserve heavy fines/suspension, but he attempted to re-instigate the fight numerous times after it was over. This was after he fought off an umpire to charge LAA’s dugout to fight in the first place.
Winker is a tool, based off of his actions during this. A plain punk. Sorry, but it’s the truth.
Hi Clipper! Never apologize for speaking the truth!
A perfect description of Winker.
Winker started it and then flipped off the fans. His should’ve been higher.
I hope someone got a good picture of Winker’s double bird.
The interpreter threw up gang signs and started the whole thing. All his fault.
Brings up a good question: Does the interpreter go out with a player whose engaging in the tumultuous behavior to? Perhaps stand behind him or immediately adjacent to the fight; Ya know, so he can keep interpreting all the stuff said before, during, and after the physical altercations?
Winkler should’ve gotten longer just because of his action towards the fans
Winker flips off the fans behind the dugout several times after breaking a hold by an umpire, and then rushes to the Angel dugout.
He gets no punishment for that!?!?
Winker got a 7 game suspension after getting intentionally hit by the pitch. Only Nevin, you know the guy who started this brawl, got suspended more. The pitcher only got a 3 game suspension,
So yeah, Winker got punished plenty while Rendon got off way too easy.
Rendon’s suspension will cost him over a million dollars in lost salary; Winkers will cost about $250K
Sadler-a million dollars for a 5 game suspension? you’re nuts
I believe that salaries cover 180 days and 162 games. Rendon is making north of $36 million a year or $200,000 plus a day. 5 days/games till $200k equals a million. Sadler is correct.
That said, the effect of losing one million on Rendon’s lifestyle given his contract is almost nil.
Punish Winker by trading him to the Angels. 😉
Umm he got more games than any other player.
Ridiculous. Far too many players with easily hurt feelings.
Upton gets hit in the head. Mariners throw at Trout in retaliation on Saturday. It should have ended there. Nope. Phil Nevin replaces Thor with an opener to deliberately throw at Mariners Julio Rodriguez and Winker. Phil Nevin should get at least 20 games for creating this entire spectacle and brawl with his actions! This may be harsh but MLB should set a precedent and ban Nevin for his deliberate actions in the “Best Interests of MLB”, so managers don’t ever set something like this up again.
They didn’t throw at trout. That’s such bull. For those of us that watched the game it was very obvious that the pitch got away. Much the same as when lornezen smoked Upton. The difference is the mariners aren’t a staff if d bags and the angels are.
Doesn’t matter if there was intent or not to those players involved in those instances on Saturday. Phil Nevin took it upon himself to be Judge and Jury, so to speak, by deliberately throwing an opener to hit the Mariners players! So blatantly intending to Hit players from a managers actions is 10 games according to MLB. Should be much more since he set everything in motion with his intentions being totally obvious!
There were 2 pitches at Trout. One up and in, a second even more up and in. As though the first one wasn’t good enough. This following a meeting on the mound.
The look on Seattle’s catcher’s face alone shows those were messages. No intent to bean him, but clearly intent to buzz the tower at least once.
Winkler flips the bird at the fans what if your mom and dad or your child were at the game flipping the bird at your parents or kids
Upton getting hit was 9 days before the brawl and the two teams played multiple games in between. It’s ridiculous to say Trout was thrown at in retaliation for something that had happened 9 days earlier. Swanson had no command that entire inning. Mariners never retaliated for Upton getting beaned because it was obviously an accident, much like the pitch to Trout. Phil Nevin is a ridiculous manchild to respond how he did.
in theory if the halos are out of the playoff race, could they not just activate Rendon with 5 games left this season and have him serve his suspension.
Or activate briefly in mid-September. 4 game series with Seattle.
Has an interpreter ever been suspended before? Is this baseball history?
I can visualize a guy standing on the field in the middle of a skirmish interpreting real-time English-Spanish expletives exchanges.
Lol an interpreter got suspended.
Angels should kick Nevin to the curb. He’s an interm. Hire a real manager.
Guys a head case
No keep Phil Nevin he’s got a pair of balls you gotta protect your superstar Winkler is a real head case flipping the bird at the fans what a loser
Look these Seattle fan u guy suck so shut your not going anywhere
I think you forgot some words.
Angels you guys suck and your bush league so you shut up.
Sounds pretty immature when you read it from someone else. And I can write the whole sentence.
Dude is the platonic ideal of an Angels fan.
Crawford was wrestling with some 70 yr old and he was one of the first to throw punches. Thought he’d get a bit more than 5.
I did too and I’m a M’s fan. He threw the clearest televised punches for sure
The worst punishment for the Angels would be allowing Nevin to continue as manager with no suspension.
Seems very unfair to suspend one manager for 10 games yet the other manager gets no suspension. I thought the coaches automatically got at least 1 game when the benches clear no matter what.
Scott service should’ve got suspended also makes no sense why all these angels get suspended Players coaches interpreters
Can we for a second talk about the umps.
Both teams were warned in the first inning.
Then the first pitch in the second inning Winkler. Why was there not an immediate ejection for that? Instead, everyone is looking around and the mariners are getting worked up calling for him to be ejected which worked up the angels and started this.
I thought after a warning, an ejection would have been immediate
I heard yesterday that their was a rule change not to long ago saying umpires have to get together before ejecting someone, even with warnings in place.
Correct. CloseCallSports had a good analysis of this on YouTube.
Ironic, that fans on here complain about umps, want their discretion removed and then complain when the umps don’t take action.
I said something about the umps they were totally incompetent. They should have ejected the first pitcher who couldn’t even hit Julio. If they did that it was over. Should have been over anyway missed your chance.
Yep. And they also should’ve gotten Winker off the field.
He restarted the skirmish when it moved by third base, flipped off and cussed out fans, then came out of the dugout pointing and screaming sone more.
He was the spark plug and needed to be removed.
Yeah that’s a great point. Winker should’ve been removed immediately. Allowing him to continue to flare up and attempt to re-engage Angels every single chance he got was a failure of Scott Servais, but more notably the umpires.
On that note. Shouldn’t the closer for the Angel’s got the same treatment? It was over but still throwing things on the field and screaming at the Mariners dugout. Or we were only focused on Winker?
The umpires have been extra awful this season.
Well, Iglesias threw things in the field twice, as I recall. But that’s not even remotely close to what Winker did. To say they are similar actions is grossly misrepresenting the facts. If you think Iglesias throwing bubblegum & sunflower seeds on the field because he was ejected gives Winker the right to start *another* physical altercation then we will just have to disagree, respectfully. But, that said, yes, someone should be at least attempting to deal with him from the Angels’ side, I agree.
Goastros: I agree 110%. They have been too involved and made poor decisions (or not involved when they need to be and made terrible non-decisions).
Has a manager ever done something so obvious? We know about headhunting and retaliation for a previous game. But for you to “start” a relief pitcher who has never started a game before in his career, throw at the first guy, throw at a second, it’s so incredibly obvious… and stupid.
Scott Service will serve as interim manager.
It’s a shame MLB can’t suspend Velazquez, Wade, Mayfield, Rengifo, Duffy for poor play as well.
They got off easy! Lol
100% agreed!!
If they planned for Wantz to pitch, couldnt they have at least picked those guys to be involved in the scuffle
Nevin made it too obvious.
That said if the umpires do absolutely nothing when a team holds a meeting on the mound before sending 2 at Trout’s head things like this happen.
Let’s not pretend the M’s were any less obvious the night before.
Mad love for our interpreter. That’s a dedicated employee right there.
And probably the only one of the Angels suspended that will actually be missed
It feels like MLB just needs to bring Jomboy in house because they can’t break down footage at all. I was looking to see what Tepera got because he came in swinging out of nowhere and set off Crawford, but 2 games to Crawford’s 5 is terrible. But nothing is as bad as 7 games for Winker, who took a baseball and a Rendon palm to the face before doing anything.
I feel like he does work for them. Mlb used to not like people posting videos and he seemed to be the only one allowed.
I get suspensions for egregious violations; but, MLB has simply taken the suspensions/HBP ejections too far. It’s silly now.
You’d encourage headhunting and that might trigger a real brawl that would require the police to break up. Such would give baseball image problems that can’t be easily explained away.
I never said any of that. At all. There’s an entire spectrum that exists from your extreme example to what I wrote.
A pitcher was ejected for throwing at a batter after both dugouts were warned. That directly led to a bench-clearing brawl. His skipper got a 10-game unplanned vacation as a result. And you’re suggesting nobody should be suspended?
The National Hockey League didn’t crack down on bench-clearing brawls until players were paraded on perp walks. That was back in the 1970s.
No, I wasn’t suggesting that at all. I specifically wrote there should be suspensions for “egregious violations.” I was speaking to the overreaction during the season (and last) as a whole which tends to exacerbate situations like this (which it did), because the Ms wanted the Angel’s pitcher tossed as soon as he hit Winker. None of that justified Winker running to the Angels dugout, after fighting off an umpire, so he could fight the Angels’ players. I wouldn’t care if MLB suspended him for the whole season because that’s egregious, by definition.
So, if you read any of my other comments in this thread you’ll read that the suspensions in this case were too light,imo. Winker should be suspended for more games, so should Crawford and others.
The punishments in this case were too light, which makes the other terrible suspension decisions this season even worse.
@Yankee Clipper: I don’t have a problem with saying that Winker deserved a longer suspension. But if we are going to play that game, what about the various Angels personnel involved?
1) Nevin very clearly and very intentionally switched pitchers at the last moment with the express intent to hit Seattle hitters.
2) Go back and watch the video closely. Winker stayed at home for a few moments to see if the umps were going to toss Wantz and Nevin. He then took a few steps towards 1B and the Angels dugout started jawing and chirping at him. He then was ONLY talking to the Angels dugout until Anthony Rendon touched his face. I dunno what you want to call it, a touch, a light slap, but Anthony Rendon instigated the whole physical aspect of this brawl. If you don’t believe me, go watch the video again. In fact, I would suggest Jomboy’s video of the brawl, he has an excellent, unbiased opinion of the whole way (famously a Yankees fan).
3) While Winker was engaged with other players, Ryan Tepera took at least a couple dirty body shots to Winker’s back, which is the only reason JP Crawford got involved.
So I don’t have a problem with saying that Winker deserves a longer suspension. But if you are going to argue that, you HAVE to admit that the penalties assigned to the Angels were laughably light.
Endersgame: Yeah there are plenty of heavy suspensions warranted here, I agree. The Angles have their share of problems as well, but I was addressing the “starting it” issue that’s dominating the threads.
Rendon was completely in the wrong & shouldn’t have been in the field of play, let alone the first guy out of the dugout. That’s on top of being incredibly unwise because he’s already injured… I wasn’t sure which Angels’ player was the one throwing haymakers, but that must’ve been Tepera. So, in effect, some players here on both sides warrant heavy punishments.
I do believe Winker was the worst violator because of his initial actions and persistence after the melee was over, coupled with his despicable actions towards the fans (that’s a pet peeve of mine).
I will also heed your advice and watch the Jomboy review of the matter too. Thanks for that info.
Why the F did julio get suspended at all? I couldn’t see the part where he was throwing hands
With the interpreter suspended, there could really be a lack of communication for the next two games.
The interim interpreter is currently out listening to Rosetta Stone.
duolingo
It’s a suspended sentence. Hold that thought. Back in 2 days.
Angels were a disgrace
Hate to state the obvious, but Trout is getting one in the ear next time these teams meet….and his own (interim)manager will be the reason why…you heard it here 1st folks!!! 🙂
Angels don’t play Seattle again until August — if the MLB home office has any brains, it’ll tell the umpires to warn both sides prior to the first game. Anyone throwing at a batter, yerouttahere!
Winker deserves a longer suspension for making things worse.
I know, Altuve should be gone for 50 games, at least, I agree.
Oh, you said Winker, sorry, total misread 😉
Funny guy!
Eh, I try. Usually fail miserably, but I get a C for effort.
Baseball players must be among the lamest brawlers and weakest punchers on this planet. A bunch of HGH-inflated juice monkeys duking it out in front of caterwauling, boozed-up, junk-food-chomping plebs and not ONE halfway serious injury…? Merely pushing, shoving and yelling like angry toddlers in a sandbox? Laughable. Wake me up when there are ambulances on the field with emergency doctors performing tracheotomies at home plate.
The fact that Rendon felt confident enough to participate in that petting zoo hubbub with a freshly surgically repaired wrist goes to show that there’s not much to worry about in these staged male-on-male groping encounters.
No, it means he wasn’t thinking during his testosterone-fueled anger.
Rendon should be “suspended” for the rest of the season as the Angels shouldn’t be paying him to break his other hand.
I wonder if Arte will consider another managerial change during the season as things are pretty much the same with Nevin as they were with Maddon. It wouldn’t be the first time a team had three Managers in a season, the Orioles had Dave Trembley, Juan Samuel, and Buck Showalter during the 2010 season.
I’m all for suspending a guy for throwing at a dude, but this is outlandish. How does Wantz get 3 if we believe there is intent? Who cares about the other acters in the brawl – It’s good TV and probably the most fun a non-baseball fan will have watching baseball. More brawls!
perfectly said! though for the first time i ever seen.
As usual, Seattle fans prove to be unknowledgeable windbags. Trout terrorizes then for five consecutive nights. They throw at Trout, miss him, then walk him. Then they do it again a second time, while Scott Servais puts his hands out and stares down Trout, challenging him.
Not only did the Mariners head hunt Trout twice, they antogonized him from the dugout. Then they act all shocked and shaken when Winker gets one on the butt, the way you’re supposed to do it.
This was 100% started by the Mariners.
So the Mariners just have to ignore the headshot to Upton? Seems like they were pretty okay with the “slipped” explanation then but now that the shoes on the other foot the angles throw a temper tantrum? Seems like the Angles are clearly in the wrong. Nevin stayed around to yell at Swanson after close calls. Should be done there but no… Nevin then starts the next game with a hitman on the bump and Julio in his sights. HE MISSES JULIO! You had your chance and you blew it, then you hit Winker? Are you kidding me? Angles look like absolute clowns.
Angels players and fans love Upton. He means a lot to the players in the clubhouse, they’d never throw at him. Seattle has done a crap job of rubbing down the baseballs before the games, multiple pitchers have complained. As soon as Winker charged they’re dugout, Upton got buried in the piles and Trout rushed in to pull him out. So your point there carries no weight whatsoever.
Fact is, Seattle threw at Trout twice and antagonized him from the dugout. Winker got what was coming to him. Seattle started it and then tried to play the victim when retribution came. Pansies.
Let’s break it down this way. Moore HBP 6/16/22 , Rengifo HBP, Upton HBP 6/17/22 , Moore HBP 6/18/22 , Crawford HBP, Moore HBP 6/28/22. All this before Winkers is HBP to start the brawl. Where’s Mike Trout you may ask? Well he’s not here because he wasn’t hit. Thats 5 hit Mariners and 1 hit Angel in the games leading up to the brawl. Why were the angles so mad when they are clearly the ones who cant control the ball?
@Angelicvisitstions the meeting in the mound wasn’t a headhunting mission, Swanson couldn’t locate his fastball up, that where you need to pitch Trout. Teams have a game plan for how they pitch to dudes like Trout, it was so do we stick to the game plan or try something else. Coaches coach, pitching coach tells him his release is all off, he needs to slow it down, but he’s amp up and can’t do. After the meeting the first one is too high, second is way to far in and over Trout’s head. Not good. So they abandon the plan and walk him because first is now open and you have a force out at 3rd and 2nd. Where in the coaches manual does it say hit Trout in the head and have Ohtani possibly come up and hit a walk off 3 run hr?? Please explain the logic there? M’s didn’t retaliate for Upton b/c they knew there was no intent to hit him in the head. M’s haven’t retaliated against the Astro’s who’ve hit 3 of our players, one twice and one who now is continuing to suffer concussion after effects from being hit in the head. So please tell me why in the f would you attempt hit Trout in the head with a 2 run lead, 2 outs, a runner on base, and Ohtani on deck.. plain and simply you don’t. Learn the game you watch or stop being a fan.
This was 100% started and escalated by the Angels.
Go back and watch the full inning that Swanson was pitching. He NEVER had control the entire inning. That lack of control is the exact reason the Mariners did not simply intentionally walk Trout when he first came to the plate, there was already a walked batter on first. Could you make a case the Mariners should have intentionally walked Trout anyway? Probably.
If Erik Swanson was intentionally head hunting Trout, then Lorenzen was intentionally head hunting Upton. You cannot have it both ways.
Why would anyone get suspended longer than the Sea rat who blew off fans?
Should the Angels suspend or void the contract of Anthony Rendon ?
His season has ended; he has a surgically repaired wrist.
Actions detrimental to the team. He inflames a bad situation on the field from the bench.
Actions detrimental to his health. He is involved in a physical altercation.
Let the Angels act in a knee-jerk manner as you suggest, the MLBPA will walk out on strike and shut down the major leagues. This isn’t Amazon.com with its anti-union tactics.
Winter was classless and should get suspended for his actions no doubt about that.
The real winner is Phil Nevin he has always been a tool he’s a clown that shouldn’t even be in baseball. He’s always been an unchecked bully and as long he is in charge of any team there is no question that he will do the same thing again. He is the real instigator and just an absolutely low class human always has been always will be. He really shouldn’t be in baseball but if he is he shouldn’t be in charge of any team. He should be fired immediately he is not good for baseball. He is a classless clown that thinks he is some kind of old school enforcer when I’m fact he is just an old school fool. Never liked that idiot and while I would never wish any I’ll will on anyone he is someone that needs to be put in his place. What a joke of a human being he is.
you drunk?
I’m not sure a Nevin suspension actually hurts the Angels.
Rendon? How do you suspend a guy that’s never healthy enough to play?
As for Nevin, maybe that’s what these prinadona ball players need, a Billy Martin, Hank Bauer type.
Billy Martin? Fired from the Detroit Tigers for ordering his pitchers to throw at ballplayers?
The Angels got off easy. Wantz should be suspended for at least an equal amount as Winker. He intentionally threw behind Rodriguez AND hit Winker. He’s have hit Rodriguez if his command wasn’t terrible.
Also, sure. Suspend Rendon for 5 games. But be sure those 5 games occur after he comes off the IL.
Shout out to the interpreter getting himself a stiff 2 game suspension
Does anyone ever recall an interpreter getting a suspension before?.. crazy
This was all pre-meditated. Thor got moved to Monday and screwed up my 2 start week in my league. Damn you Nevin.
Good thing no one was called Jackie.MLB would’ve really been pissed
Jackie (Jackie), hey what’you doing now
It seems like yesterday
When we were working out
Jackie (Jackie, oh) you set
The world on fire
Everybody was kung fu fighting…
How does Wantz only get three games and Winker 7 games? Wantz instigated it. Winker didn’t actually do anything until Nevin continued to jaw at him. Wantz misses almost nothing. He will file a protest, the Angels will use him on B2B days, and he misses two rest days. He’ll only miss one real game.
Did you not read the story? Wantz decided not to appeal his suspension and began serving it last night.
Dom Chiti? What a Chiti deal man….
Nevin should have gotten 30 games. He is almost solely responsible for the fight. And he admitted so to the ump, he started an opener solely to bean mariners hitters. That’s an unprecedented move and the league should have taken a strong stand against it. The mariners are going to miss 7 games from Winker, that’s far worse than missing 10 games from your idiot manager.
I’m sorry, but as an objective, neutral observer, the manager making that decision has no bearing on Winker’s egregious, flagrant actions on the field.
Winker’s punishment is far too light and MLB should make an example of him. Winker was responsible for the fight. Nobody forced him to do what he did – that was a conscious decision, followed by many other poor ones. He was simply out of control.
Your “Blame the Victim” attitude is the mindset of a keyboard warrior. Major League Baseball is not going to take the word of a keyboard warrior over professional umpires who are employed and paid by the league office.
Chunky, I’m not sure if that’s in response to my post, but if so, can you elaborate on “Blame the Victim” & keyboard warrior analogies, please? If it’s not, that’s fine, but it’s difficult to tell who is responding to which comment sometimes. I do hope you’re not calling Winker a victim though. That’s preposterous.
Also, it seems you equate me expressing my opinion about punishments with me saying MLB should read this and are expected to act in what I say, which is silly. You seem quite hyperbolic. You chastised my comment above when you took the “No suspensions “ stance way out of context and now are overreacting to the opposing stance?
Again, that’s IF you’re responding to me….
*Chucky, my apologies. “Chunky” was an autocorrect for whatever’s reason.
Does this happen if the Ms don’t throw at Trout’s head? Of course not.
Service and Winker should have gotten more time than Nevin.
You don’t throw at a player’s head simply because you can’t get him out. You do throw at players AFTER you throw at a player’s head.
Just glad the letting go of Upton and Maddon has produced so much value to the Angels thus far this season.
Things are really falling into place.
Robot umpires would not only get all the calls right but they would also tase the pitcher who throws at a batter and tase the batter who doesn’t just go to first base. And tase anyone trash talking from the dugout. Bzzzzzzzzzzt!!!
Problem solved.
Hey, good luck tomorrow, man.
Thanks!
Dalek robo umps would have made this SO much more interesting. Poison darts dropping questionable bearded jocks all over batting circles.
Haha! Darts in the butt for everyone! The slurred interviews after the game would be magic.
And here we thought auto-umps would take character from the game. They’d BE characters. If we can’t program them to atleast talk trash…it’s a complete loss.
“it’s a complete loss.“
Yep.
Hopefully this keeps happening and maybe Rangers and Astros can go at it a bit too and then the A’s might have a shot.
Seattle gonna make Carlos Santana jump someone to join their gang? Also anyone see that Archie Bradley fail? He fell hopping the fence in the beginning and now out to undisclosed injury
Well, anyone that threw a punch should be in jail. That’s assault. Fans go to jail and get banned for life for just running on the field and call it a safety issue. Same thing for intentionally pitching at a batters head. No excuse for violence. At very least, Winker made it up to that little girl that was crying in the stands. As for jrod, his charges should be dropped.