The Yankees announced Monday that third baseman Josh Donaldson has been placed on the Covid-19-related injured list. Miguel Andujar has been recalled from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre as a substitute player in his place. Donaldson hasn’t yet tested positive but reported symptoms to the team. He, Joey Gallo and Kyle Higashioka (all on the Covid list) are “more than just not feeling well,” says manager Aaron Boone (Twitter link via Bryan Hoch of MLB.com). “They feel sick. … They’re not available to play.”
That, however, isn’t the Donaldson news that’s the primary topic of conversation today. Major League Baseball announced that Donaldson has received a one-game suspension after making a quip to Yankees shortstop Tim Anderson wherein Donaldson called him “Jackie.” Anderson, White Sox skipper Tony La Russa and several of Anderson’s teammates were quick to call the comment racist, while Donaldson after the game sought to play it off as an inside joke through which he meant no harm. Donaldson plans to appeal the suspension, according to the league.
White Sox closer Liam Hendriks didn’t mince words when asked how the Sox clubhouse felt about Donaldson’s explanation, calling it “bullshit” and telling reporters (video link via Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times): “Usually you have inside jokes with people you get along with, not people that don’t get along at all.”
Fellow reliever Joe Kelly, who was doing a radio appearance with the Parker & Spiegel Show on 670 The Score at the time the suspension broke, expressed disbelief. “One game?” Kelly asked rhetorically. “I got eight games for making a silly face at Carlos Correa.”
Major League Baseball’s statement on the matter was as follows:
“MLB has completed the process of speaking to the individuals involved in this incident. There is no dispute over what was said on the field. Regardless of Mr. Donaldson’s intent, the comment he directed toward Mr. Anderson was disrespectful and in poor judgment, particularly when viewed in the context of their prior interactions. In addition, Mr. Donaldson’s remark was a contributing factor in a bench-clearing incident between the teams, and warrants discipline.”
In other Yankees-related news on the day, Boone said that an MRI on closer Aroldis Chapman’s ailing Achilles tendon came back clean (Twitter link via Lindsey Adler of The Athletic). A trip to the injured list, however, remains a possibility for Chapman. The team is still weighing its options. The 34-year-old Chapman’s velocity, strikeout rate and walk rate have all gone the wrong direction this year. After opening the season with a dozen scoreless outings, Chapman has yielded at least one in each of his past five appearances, causing his ERA to jump to 3.86.
Meanwhile, it seems as though lefty JP Sears will make the first start of his Major League career tomorrow. Boone further divulged that the 26-year-old, who tossed a pair of scoreless relief innings in the Majors and has a 0.83 ERA and 30-to-2 K/BB ratio in 24 1/3 Triple-A frames this season, will make a spot start during tomorrow’s doubleheader (Twitter link via Hoch).
White Sox: victims.
Josh Donaldson: Career douchebag and clubhouse cancer. Listen dude, you’re 40 years old, maybe time to ditch the “faux hawk” and
Ed Hardy tees
If you can’t figure out whether you’re for Jackie or the other guy, you aint black!
Jackie Bradley Jr. Big hit yesterday against the Mariners!
The only Jackie that TA should compare himself to
Douchebag, douchebag, douchebag, douchebag
I’m confused in that only one game suggests the league did not believe it was a racist comment yet NBA players have historically trash talked at least as bad with no repercussions.
@Fletcher
Please let me know if I missed something.
TA refers to himself as a modern day Jackie Robinson. Most of us, including Donaldson, probably laughed our butt’s of because other than being Black he’s got very little resembling Jackie as a baseball player. Donaldson sarcastically calls him “Jackie”. Let’s stop there. Let’s say Grayson Allen of the NBA says her feels like a modern day Larry Bird. We would of course laugh. During a game he chucks up a wild 3. A Black nba player runs by him and says “nice shot Larry”. Is that racist?
TA is no Jackie and should never compare himself to him. As a Black guy I took Donaldson as making fun of a name HE CHOOSE TO COMPARE himself to in a way like “dude you’re ok but you’re no dang Jackie”. I don’t get the negative feedback.
@KnicksFanCavsFan
You see the difference between a white dude calling a black player Jackie and a black dude calling a white player Larry right? There are centuries of power disparity that color the first one and aren’t present in the second.
Sorry he hurt your feelings, snowflake.
Something tells me that Tim Anderson knows that Josh Donaldson isn’t a racist? Donny did apologize to Andy, what else does he want? This is so ridiculous!
Captain: I believe you’re right. I think he knows if he comes out and says it he will look like a fool for his reaction as an over-the-top, over-emotional, fractured human. He will also lose the support of everyone jumping on his bandwagon.
If he legitimately believed this to be racist, there’s no way he would be backing off any of this. Listen to AJ Pollock’s response when he was on a hot mic with ESPN during the game. It didn’t sound at all like their own clubhouse even agreed with Tim, as a whole.
Nonetheless, this issue, perpetually brought to the forefront of any/every issue any time there’s an opportunity, will never be out behind us as a nation if we continually launch accusations like this.
As an aside, looks likeMLB will have to ban all Boston fans from their stadium……..
@Yankee Clipper
That hurts man…
Except you! My bad, RSox.
Nah, some of you are alright, but JUST, alright.
We try…
A Yankee fan talking about discourteous fans on other teams. Glass houses bud.
Scarton: Not sure if the response was to my post (Hard to tell based on the manner in which the responses are listed), but if it was, perhaps you missed clear & specific reference…….?
Nonetheless, it was in jest, as everyone knows Philadelphia has the worst fans of any team! Lol.
Come on Yankee Clipper! Us Philly fans aren’t that bad! 😀
How many times has Anderson been suspended.? Back “in the day” opposing players went after each other much more verbally,image the O line lined up against the D line.Every sport contest had their share of guys blowing snot bubbles at each other.
There’s a reason Donaldson has never won anything. And that will continue this year. His own team can’t even tolerate him and his middle aged faux hawk.
The man literally won an MVP in 2015
You know what I meant. What have his teams done? Exactly.
And yet can’t stick with a team. I loved it when the Yanks got him. Tool bag can’t help himself. He was an idiot, but the punishment was unwarranted. We all know what he is.
He’s made playoff appearences with every team he’s played for. A’s, Jays, Indians, Braves & Twins. Currently his Yankees looked poised for the playoffs. So he’s won everywhere he’s went at least one season or more. The better question is — who the hell is Tim Anderson?
What have TA’s teams done?
Got destroyed by the Astros in the DS yet are considered a top contender for the WS this year.
TA hasn’t been shipped from team to team because his teammates don’t like him. Donaldson, well…
I mean, Braves won the division with him in 2019.
There’s a reason why every team and their fan base is so surprised at how easily they were able to acquire him. And then are so quick to throw him overboard. Oakland, Toronto, Atlanta, Minnesota. Let’s see how long he lasts in the Bronx. And how soon before the likes of Judge and Stanton elect to Private Pyle him with a pillowcase of soap
And he lasts about one season despite said “skills”
Found Tim Anderson’s burner account
One of the few solid ones? What?!
Hopefully we can talk some baseball Vs trashing talking two very good players…
I personally think the white Sox are overrated and are not serious contenders for the World Series. They’ll most likely make the playoffs due to the expansion but I don’t like their odds of winning the division. The team is just too thin for all the injury concerns on the roster (even before all the injuries)
The white Sox had/have a good core of young players but Hahn has fallen flat in his ability to supplement the roster needs with free agent signings and/or trades. The farm went from power house to bare in a blink of an eye which means odds are they are not going to be able to land any impact players at the trade deadline. Hell last season they had to pull from the roster to get Kimbrel.
Meanwhile you have teams like the Yankees with a fat roster and far farm who are chomping at the bit for a World Series run. The angels are dangerous and have the prospects to significantly improve their rotation, the twins are in good shape as well.
Thank you for making the point that TA was making in that article. He wasn’t comparing his game to Jackie Robinson. He was comparing the fact that he could win a batting title and ignorant turds like you would say something like “Who is Tim Anderson”.
Calling him “Jackie” was unnecessary, yet Donaldson kept doing it. Then it came out what he said, and that it was interpreted as being an ignornant/racist comment. Whether it was or wasn’t is irrelevant if he felt it was. And yet NY Yankee fans, knowing he felt it was ignorant, decided to say it anyway. Shows the true colors of those classless fans.
LOL he’s a former MVP.
‘Listen dude, you’re 40 years old, maybe time to ditch the “faux hawk” and Ed Hardy tees’
like this 59-year-old?
i.pinimg.com/originals/48/0a/76/480a76aaa3d723949c…
I guess he wants JD to wear some plain old knickers and a blank Fruit of the Loom t shirt with some sweet open toe sandals with socks. I mean he’s forty his teeth are probably falling out and he’s damn tired of the neighborhood kids mucking about on his lawn. He and the wife are probably looking for a retirement home he can move into in the next few years. Grave plot, casket.
Actually that picture is really sad. I stopped trying to be cool years ago.
Then you’re cool, Lee.
And Donaldson’s not 40, he’s 36. Jay Z is 52. Dave Grohl, whose Foo Fighters won the 2022 Grammy for Best Rock Song, is 53.
The White Sox are whiners and complainers. They chose to blow this out of proportion and play the “racism” card”. Nevertheless, Donaldson is an instigator who has a history of baiting other players. I really think there was no racist intent, but Donaldson has a history of taunting other players, and at some point MLB has to get him under control. A one game suspension is about right.
Bit of a contradictory post.
Donaldson should not have been suspended. This is absurd and embarrassing as a White Sox fan. It’s somewhat hard to believe Anderson is that thin skinned. It’s pathetic really.
There may be more to it than we know, and the Sox may have had no say. Why be embarrassed?
Well, I understand what you mean, but the Sox had the whole say: LaRussa had the initial “racist” accusation to the league, Anderson supported that postering, so they had quite a bit of say (& sway).
The whole racist aspect is so BS. Anderson deserves to be clowned if he compares his attempt in bringing fun into the game with Robinson breaking the color barrier.
Next time, Donaldson should call him Jacqueline so there is no confusion.
If it was racist (I don’t believe it was) then the suspension is way too light. If it wasn’t racist then there should be no suspension. This is nothing more than MLB trying to have it both ways.
Excellent point, Joe. MLB trying to split the baby, which inevitably backfires. They’re so dumb.
Joe says : This is MLB being cowards. They gave the suspension because they are afraid of the woke community accusing them of not caring about racism if they do nothing, like they should have.
The bigger picture now is they opened the door for every person of color to accuse any other race as being a racist with any old comment. I mean come on calling him Jackie…Tim Anderson should be so lucky because Jackie he ain’t. Good but not that good.
Also if this was reversed and Anderson called Donaldson Babe (ala Babe Ruth) is that not also racist? Would it be treated the same:? My guess they wouldn’t but should. Just remember MLB has now opened the door to this slippery slope.
You’re right. Whatever happened to “the players police themselves”. Just have one of the WSox pitchers drill JD next time up and move on.
I cannot wait for the all star voting. I usually vote for TA but never again. He can only wish he had the patience integrity and thick skin Jackie had. Grandal will never get my vote again either. Real nice seeing TA cursing loudly with young fans in the stands as well.
I’m sure both players are very concerned about your votes. Braves lost today.. again.
It’s obvious they don’t care to me as well. Both act like school yard bullies on the baseball field. Especially Grandal.
Oh no. Whatever will TA and Grandal ever do without your vote. Please reconsider.
While the Yankees have an extensive history of employing players with despicable character (Wetteland, Curtis, Mitre, and many more), and also employing rampant PED using cheaters (that list is probably even longer), I don’t believe that Donaldson is THAT bad. What he said is merely STUPID. I think the meager punishment is perfectly fine, it sends a message. MLB seems to love to make it look like they’re doing SOMETHING. It’s all posturing and whatnot. In the meantime, Josh, just shut up.
If you’re going to mention PEDs let’s not forget that LaRussa is The Godfather of PEDs. In Oakland.
And some Yankees came from Oakland? The Giambino, Can’t Say So, Bro See Us, Ruben High Sierra, et al. Nice chemical pipeline.
One game suspension and fined for what exactly? Calling him “Jackie”? Utterly ridiculous.
For future reference, when a player proclaims himself as the next ____, and someone refers to him by said name, they’ll be suspended. I can’t even comprehend how moronic this is on every level.
For instigating a bench clearing incident apparently
Tim Anderson comparing himself to Jackie Robinson (based upon him being a player who likes to celebrate moreso than most players today) was far more offensive than anything Donaldson did or said.
He never said he was the next Jackie Robinson, nor did he compare himself to him. Saying so is intentionally misinterpreting in an attempt to defend Donaldson.
What he said was he was the modern day Jackie Robinson. He was comparing his situation to Robinson’s, his intent being that his situation, an African-American playing baseball, when other African-Americans are not, that he’s found himself an extreme minority.
Granted, he has vastly overstated the issue. He might have faced prejudice, but nothing to the extent that Robinson did. But, for Donaldson to use that to try and get into Anderson’s head shows a complete lack of respect. It was not an inside joke. This does not help Donaldson’s reputation much.
I’m sorry, but what part of “I’m like a modern day Jackie Robinson” is not comparing himself to Robinson? He literally compared his situation with Jackie Robinson and then decided to say the situations are alike.
There are two separate issues. Was Donaldson baiting him, and was it racist. It seems pretty clear to me that the answers are yes and no. I think MLB was right to put their foot down and give him the one game suspension, but the White Sox are definitely trying to blow this out of proportion. Joe Kelly’s lie of omission regarding his own suspension supports this point.
You answered your own question, Comparing their situations is not the same as comparing people as players.
BS, if the roles were reversed and Donaldson called himself the modern day Babe Ruth in an interview would they be crying about it and trying to make it racial when Anderson busts his balls calling him Babe? Absolutely ridiculous, and f$&* Larussa too…
Ah, that’s a pretty weak argument for a player who is making $$$ Millions that Jackie R never made nor had the chance to make….oh, his feelings were hurt….buck up and play ball….”modern day Jackie Robinson…..exactly what sacrifices is he making…..exactly what Racism is he ignoring……what “lack of respect” was Donaldson guilty of……HARSH LANGUAGE?
Polish Hammer:
Your comment is what’s BS. Reading more into TA’s comment than was, there and then proffering a strawman. TA’s comment was a social one, not a baseball one.
But I’ll play along. If Donaldson grew up a poor kid in Baltimore, like the Babe, and had other similarities in their background, then him saying he was like Ruth, he’d have a point, debatable, but still a point.
I’m pretty sure people would misinterpret it though and get all twisted out of shape over it.
Anderson is a good player, but has always been an out and out punk.
“Tad2b13 is an extremely open minded individual who is always willing to listen to the opinions of others and not become triggered over people who have differing points of view”
– no one ever
If he didn’t want to compare himself to Jackie he could have simply said he is black. We already know how race works.
Sure thing Jackie…
“The color barrier fell 72 years ago. Anderson honored the occasion by wearing number 42 on the anniversary of the debut of the man who broke it, as do all major league players and staff, and by hosting a private screening of 42, the 2013 biopic, for kids from the White Sox’ Amateur City Elite program, which introduces inner-city Chicago youngsters to baseball. But he sees another barrier, one he’s intent on toppling: the “have-fun barrier.”
“I kind of feel like today’s Jackie Robinson,” he says. “That’s huge to say. But it’s cool, man, because he changed the game, and I feel like I’m getting to a point to where I need to change the game.”
Anderson’s point is more nuanced than it might sound. Robinson remains an American hero, and Anderson will never face the Jim Crow horrors Robinson and the first generation of black major leaguers endured. Also, plenty of players, white and nonwhite alike, have had fun while playing the game.”
Wait wait wait. He’s always been an out!? Go ahead and search up who has the highest batting average since the start of the 2019 season. Go ahead and look and see who has the most multi hit games this season. Do you even watch baseball? Why are you here?
There is no defending the absurdity of this non issue. Donaldson should be defended for a rather vile accusation. As a White Sox fan I have lost quite a bit of respect for not only Anderson, but everyone defending him.
Finish the sentence.
He has NOTHING IN COMMON with Jackie. TA is a multi-millionaire spoiled baby who has no concept of real racism. The Negro Leagues barnstorming back in the day… those were dangerous times.
Yup
There is a huge difference between Tim Anderson being African-American and playing Baseball “when other African-Americans are not” because they choose not to and Jackie Robinson being African-American and playing baseball when other African-Americans weren’t allowed to. The two are in no way identical.
A punk for what? He plays the game hard, motivates others in the clubhouse, never throws teammates under the bus, and exults to keep himself motivated. If this upsets you and the 60 something old timey redass guardians of baseball like some of the KC Royals, boo hoo. Does Steph Curry bother you? Or is only okay for Brady and Aaron Rodgers to show emotion on the field? And one wonders why baseball can’t draw young fans like basketball and football.
If he taunted him with ‘Babe’ and JD took offense, benches cleared, would a one game suspension for Anderson be adequate? sure it would.
Once upon a time in the not so distant past all that “celebrating” Anderson likes to do at the plate would have bought him a lot of chin music and many bruised ribs
You aren’t going to get logical arguments from the same fans who continually repeated a chant knowing it had an ignorant context.
“For future reference, when a player proclaims himself as the next ____, and someone refers to him by said name, they’ll be suspended.”
Lmao talk about jumping off a logical cliff.
@ph that double shift comment was freaking golden dude
Tim Anderson instigated the bench clearing incident and it wasn’t his first. Why isn’t Tim suspended for flipping Yankee fans off and cursing to a crowd with kids in it? This is such a joke and further divides a cancel culture society.
You can see the interactions on camera. JD says something, Anderson responds. It happened twice. So JD started it. Or Grandal the catcher is the one who started the bench clearing incident. Did you watch the games?
and the redneck responses further divides a culture warrior society.
You are extremely lacking in self awareness.
Funny how he got a suspension for doing the very same thing in Cleveland about a month ago.
What response was redneck to you?
Billyballsz, what are you talking about? He didn’t flip off anyone, he silenced the crowd. Index finger and middle finger are not the same. And if you are getting your panties in a twist over a player showing emotion & swearing, you A) missed the entire point of his article and B) live in a fantasy realm where no one uses bad words.
Someone was being an actual jerk (Donaldson) but they shouldn’t face repercussions because cAnCeL cUlTuRe! Everyone should get to be as big of a jerk to everyone else as they want to because free speech yay!!!!
@richt
Your comments are absolutely laughable. TA called himself Jackie, then Donaldson called him Jackie, and you’re calling Donaldson a jerk for that sledge? You wouldn’t even know what a sledge is, you’ve probably never played anything competitive in your life, but you like to talk yourself up with your progressive woke BS. If you can’t take a bit of talk or sledging in sport, you shouldn’t be playing it, cry baby.
Donaldson was foolish to choose “Jackie” as a taunt, but who actually started the bench-clearing incident? It was White Sox catcher Grandal, who told reporters: “Believe me, you don’t want me to tell you guys what I told him.”
So Grandal says something unrepeatable to Donaldson, when Donaldson is just coming to bat, but Donaldson is the instigator, and Grandal walks away clean?
Exactly, Fink. How Grandal gets a pass in this is beyond me.
Donaldson started it by what he said on the field in the first inning, and the third inning. So when he came up in the 5th Grandal had some things to say. Pretty clear on the replays. You can see it happen both times. So how did Donaldson not start it then?
It was over when Donaldson came to the plate. Grandal, by his own admission, used inflammatory, NSFW language toward Donaldson when all Donaldson was there for was to take his at-bat.
That’s how Donaldson didn’t start the shoving match and Grandal did.
Since when do they go back to prior inning s to determine who the original instigator was of clearing benches? They don’t even do that with the first pitcher who drills a batter prior to the warning!
You’re making an exception in this case because of what you believe the motive to be, not what is done in every other case. So, next game, if the Sox start again, it’s the same excuse? It’s because of JD, right? No, that’s absurd.
And, when did Grandal get anointed by MLB as the defender of TA? When did he become special body guard to offended minority teammates?
You’re mixing up the motive you agree with, with the action that’s not permissible. He still can’t do what he did.
Ok Better Call Saul, I mean, Fink.
Shucks, folks, I’m speechless!
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story
Go read the article in question. Context matters.
Jackie is a venerated figure in baseball, isn’t that a….compliment?
So why didn’t they just knock him down? You know, like those unwritten rules everyone talks about. Would that have been better? The whole entire beef was with Donaldson so the catcher took care of what needed to be said. Was he right to do that? Would it be better if they drilled him? Honestly, I think it was the best way to react. But maybe he should get a game also. You know for instigating the everyone on the field for huffing and puffing. Ridiculous.
Whyhayzee: I agree with you here, if you’re point is serious. It should’ve been a HBP, and let the players police it themselves (which they would & it would be taken care of) or Grandal needs a game also. They can’t split the baby on this issue.
The problem I have with the HBP approach is then it becomes target practice between the two teams. I have never liked that. But maybe settle it in the hallway after the game. TA: This is why I’m mad at you. JD: OK, I get it, my bad. Then move on from it and don’t let it happen again. Keep it out of the media. Handle it like grown men and not like children.
Whyhayzee: “ Handle it like grown men and not like children.”
If only we could do this…. Yeah, I agree, man.
Got to admit, things are getting pretty stupid
Yup. We’re living in Clown World.
Well, Tim Anderson is in those MLB commercials, where he pretends to be an artist, so I guess the MLB has to protect their star
However, LaRussa had a lot to say on the matter and he has his own Issues
Anyway, this whole thing is ridiculous
Ps what I am impressed about is that Jackie Robinson’s wife is still alive at 99 God Bless her
LushRussa has NO room to talk on morality. The man has been busted with numerous DUI’s. He’s a POS.
Curveball, that should tell you something, when someone like LaRussia thinks it was racist.
Way to shove Donaldson’s remarks back down his throat with that 3-RUN DINGER, TA!
I think it was more of a “Shut the f up” comment by Donaldson and not really racist itself.
I read an article where Josh explained he was calling Anderson exactly what Anderson called himself and I have to be honest, it’s 100% plausible and furthermore I can see myself in a situation sarcastically doing exactly that when Simone has the audacity to compare themselves to an all time great. However, even though no derogatory word was used, even though Anderson himself has called Hines todays Jackie, Josh is a racist?
Unbelievable honesty..
Who’s Simone and who did she compare him to?
I’m fairly certain most people would say it sarcastically and most people would understand there aren’t racist undertones to it. But we don’t live in normal times anymore – your can get canceled (or people try) for saying there are two genders.
That’s because there aren’t just two genders and it’s transphobic, jjd002. Expand your mind.
Did you read the article with the original comments? That is much more relevant.
Woke baseball
Yep. I told friends and family years ago “today the Chief [Wahoo]. Tomorrow everything else”. And look where we are now. Guardians, Jackie is raycyst, Braves are under attack, The Chop gets blacked out by stadium lights, Bauer (a Cy Young winner) gets suspended out of the game for committing no crime and never being charged with anything, and Mookie Betts signs a $360mil extension, then takes a knee the next day — yet can’t see the irony or hypocrisy of his display.
As the late, great George Carlin said “it’s all bullshit and it’s bad for you”
Do you feel better now?
I actually feel kind of sleepy, but thanks for asking!
A one game suspension for making a remark that was in poor taste! Donaldson is an agitator, so choose to not hang out with him. You don’t suspend him for being a jerk, or because you don’t like him. This entire incident make MLB appear ridiculous.
Donaldson has a history of provocation, not just one incident; and at some point MLB has to put their foot down. But it wasn’t racist, and the White Sox are just full of it.
How about MLB stays it’s behind in the offices. Where it belongs. Stop trying to micro manage everything. Gonna destroy this sport soon. But I can see this from a company who is woke as hell. Gonna take the Allstar game out of a city that is right at 50% black owned businesses and puts it in Denver, which was over 75% other owned businesses. Should have been no suspension. What awoke of a corporation.
Glad there are other sane people who realize his comments have zero racism undertone. MLB has to respond or else the cancel culture will come
Boy, between TA’s home run and Wiggins posterizing Doncic, you really had a tough day yesterday, sport. But look at the bright side, at least you’ve got something to talk about at your next klan meeting.
I couldn’t care less about the NBA haha. Are you still upset about my comment? My point was people will find many stupid ways to get offended and you are just proving my point.
Go play in traffic
I’ll bet $100 this guy calls everyone in the NBA thugs and thinks of himself as the internet’s greatest culture warrior
Donaldson & Anderson are simply having a douchebag contest, and I can’t tell who’s winning…
My wife is looking at me like I’m crazy for laughing this hard at an mlbtr comment! I call it a win.
Glad I could help, Mr. Hayes. Sending my best regards to Mrs. Hayes.
Much obliged. We used to have a thing we did when I was leaving for work in the morning. She’d say “going somewhere, meat?”
My response “About 90 feet”
Not sure how I got so lucky finding her 😀
Exactly
Pitch-perfect comment, sir! Encapsulated the entire scenario in one succinct pondering.
I agree
Donaldson wins that every time.
Maybe he should have called him “Betty Sue”.
Or not.
Joe got suspended for throwing at Correa not making a silly face what’s he taking about lol
He has a false sense of reality (like some of the players on his team at the time).
Blow Kelly is a dbag as well. Same with Hendriks. He’s mic’ed up on one of the most important nights for basebqll, and with kids watching in prime-time says every bad word he possibly can on the mound. He’s another idiot.
Curveball, here to defend the sanctity of old timey baseball
That’s on the clowns that Mic’d up Hendriks. You can hear him in a crowd swearing. They thought it would be a good idea to mic that guy?
Does this mean that we can no longer compare prior player to current players and say lebron is no michael jordan? Am i now a racist for comparing the two.even though lebron has said himself he is not michael jordan in the past? How about analyst that do comparisons to other players during draft analysis?
If this is truly related to the bench clearing brawl does Grandal have no responsibility in it or is he getting a pass even though he is the one that incited the bench clearing? I think this is either LaRussa abusing prior relationships with mlb higher ups or mlb really jumping at the media hype.
That’s nothing like this situation at all, but hey, you got an upvote from some other middle-aged white dude. So that’s something.
Why make assumptive generalizations about middle-aged white dudes? I’m an old white dude, and not only did I not upvote @Flyby, I upvoted your comment, but only for the first part.
Do you want a cookie?
The richness of an old white dude being mad about being generalized… it’s like a decadent cake.
Victimize yourself harder.
TA never said it was racist, TLR did.
You’re correct, it was TLR, but Anderson agreed in the post-game interview.
And so did Judge, this morning.
Then TA could have cleared the whole situation up and said Donaldson was being a db, but referencing the article where I compared myself to Jackie Robinson.
And Tim agreed with that racist assessment and that’s what he spoke out to his team mates. Tim victimized himself after comparing himself to a legend and Tim is a fool for his actions but it’s not the first time. He cursed out an opposing pitcher and said some derogatory things and started a bench clearing brawl in the past. Mlb should have investigated Tim if they had any balls for this incident yet they decided to find racism where there wasn’t and further divide! Tim cursed out fans after his big home run trot and flipped the bird because he was booed! Any other player does that and gets suspended. Not Tim! This is ripe for a huge lawsuit and I hope JD does sue because this is setting a really bad precedent! Start by suing LaRussa that big mouth phony. And if the union doesn’t defend JD than they are also to blame
Lawsuit? Ha.
regarding if there is a lawsuit or not … its not necessarily if he can win or not. Its all about settlements and how much bad PR they are willing to take vs the court cost nowadays. If it goes to court, im sure there will be lots of videos and “dirty” laundry they will be kept closed if enough money is given.
It also works the other way where the player is biting the hand that feeds him and could hurt him down the road. It will be interesting if it goes that way.
He has perfect grounds to sue them in civil couty. And would win easily. Case law recently shows JD would more than likely win. Regardless of him saying Jackie.
Flyby: apparently the history of racial oppression in this country flew by you. Your situation is nothing like what happened between TA and Donaldson. This comparison of MJ to LBJ would not be racist and you know it wouldn’t be, so don’t pose the question. But a white dude invoking Robinson’s name to slander a black player is certainly a trifle racist. That’s the context. He could have called TA Rosa Parks or MLK, it would mean the same thing.
it’s the woke richtard making friends again…
If Donaldson is out for Covid, and both teams did a combined group hug at homeplate, doesn’t that mean every member of both teams present in that hug need to be quarantined?
Ive always wondered this, isnt there a protocol if you are within x feet of someone shouldnt you be quarantined for a few days? Or is they have to pass tests everyday or something to allow them to play.
If for example Higgy was catching a game wouldnt the entire other teams starting lineup have to go into covid protocol along with the umpire?
Don’t cloud the issue with facts. The last thing MLB needs right now is an injection of common sense. Manfred has done all the thinking for us. It’s our job to shut up and buy another $18 beer.
I saw someone make a funny point on YT.
Next year, TA could sue MLB when they make him wear number 42.
That’s the sad truth of cancel culture antics. It results in nothing but confusion, absurdity, & a regression of society as a whole.
What really regresses society is people whining about cancel culture when old timey crap that should have gone away with Song of the South like Chief Wahoo and The Chop FINALLY get addressed after decades of people being like “this isn’t a good look” finally gets retired. Reactionaries want to keep the status quo and just call people snowflakes because they choose not to see the problems someone might have with the crap they defend. They think everyone should be just like them.
No, literally cancel culture regresses society. It prevents open discussions, attempts to control opinions it finds disagreeable, & is the most intolerant culture that exists today.
Punishing people for disagreeable opinions isn’t productive. It isn’t discerning, beneficial, or advantageous. It is simply a mob rule mentality. Sadly, many involved end up victims of the very process they participate in. Equally sad is the fact that the views many ardent culture warriors espouse are/were tenets they violate(d) at many points during their lives.
Most concerning is the flagrant hypocrisy, however. They’re the other side (to the extreme) of the same coin of those they allegedly are fighting.
You think that “cancel culture” is more intolerant than institutionalized racism, Islamophobes, homophobes, gun culture, etc.? Go read about Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance. This is what you’re missing.
Or just get off the site. I think Hannity is on.
No, that’s taking an illogical extreme out of what I said. Cancel culture is a “culture” that exists today. Phobia is not a culture, racism is nowhere institutionalized anymore. I didn’t say the issues were more or less important, and I believe one directly impacts another.
I think they’re all interconnected, and if you don’t allow for discussion open expression of one’s opinions without the “cancel” part, we will miss the root education.
Anyway, launching those attacks from your silo only puts you more at odds with people. It won’t encourage any discussion, even when people may agree with you, or parts of what you’re saying.
“racism is nowhere institutionalized anymore”
This is how I know you don’t live in reality. I stopped reading after this, knowing I wasn’t speaking to someone who sees beyond their narrow worldview.
It tells me you don’t understand the definition of institutional racism. Where is there any institutional racism? Not your opinion, but where is it institutionalized? If you can name a legitimate place, I’m on board with you. If not, you’re rhetoric needs to be dialed back.
Police department isn’t institutional. That’s a department culture you’re referring to, which tells me you don’t know the term. Prison, criminal justice, etc, same things. None have rules, regulations, or policies in place to facilitate, further, or engender racism. In fact, they have the opposite.
Don’t get me wrong, plenty of dirty people in all the places you mentioned, but you’re mixing up your terms. None are institutionalized (anymore).
You’re taking independent acts and assigning the blame to the institution, which I get, but it isn’t institutionalized racism by definition.
So, perhaps we just disagree on the foundation of the argument and/or terms used, and further discussion (too lengthy for here) would enable us to find common ground on the topic. I’ll remain open and hopeful.
Nonetheless, we agree on two things here:
1) Our country still needs a lot of work, obviously, and
2) now matter how few about what Donaldson did, he still did something stupid.
So, I feel pretty comfortable that most would agree with that assessment.
When you’re put in prison, we say you’re institutionalized. It’s a correctional institution. Not sure how much more I can spell it out for you. The culture of all these places is definitely part of the institution: when people with those beliefs set the policies, it’s institutionalizing. When the policies/rules/regulations you say are meant to counter racism (hey, wouldn’t affirmative action qualify as one of those?) and don’t work, it’s institutionalized.
But since you don’t believe me, here’s one example of how it still exists: aafp.org/about/policies/all/institutional-racism.h…
I appreciate the link. I’ll take a look at this and see what it is about. Like I said, I remain open-minded, even if I don’t necessarily agree with the premise or conclusion. It will certainly give me more perspective on your discussion points, so I appreciate it.
– If there is one thing I do know, it’s that I don’t know everything.
I just deleted the MLBTR app. Waiting for moderation? No moderation here.
Poor baby!
I’m sure Donaldson regrets saying this now. He obviously didn’t know Anderson would react this way. Do we really have any evidence of Donny being a racist?
He does because it backfired. And, no, otherwise I’m sure it would be all over the internet.
It seems that all of this has backfired on the WSox. Reaction, even from more lefty-types has been a big eyeroll at the WSox. Seems the Sox are the only ones actually offended.
Curveball: Really? I wasn’t aware, honestly. Just read some Yankees articles and comments on there deriding JD as a racist or that he “should’ve known” that it could’ve been taken that way or some such language.
It’s good if people see through this. The last thing we need in this country are more false motives to fight over.
Plus, from what I read about Anderson he’s somewhat of a baby anyway, which makes sense, especially when I saw Abreau carry him off the field like a little child out of a store after not getting his way.
So, the worst part about what Donaldson did here, like it or not, is that he motivated the ChiSox and turned all the attention to a non-issue, instead of the Yankees continued performance.
I do take issue with Grandal not being held accountable for his actions in the batters box. I’ve read others’ comments about this too & I thought about it: they’re right. If the suspension is for:
1) Inciting a potential fight, or
2) Statements in poor taste,
Grandal is guilty of both. I know why they’re giving him a free pass but don’t agree with it. It’s moral relativism, and the most subjective type.
The clubhouse leaders would’ve taken care of this issue if there was one to take care of. Why JD would motivate these guys is beyond me, but Donaldson does some weird things, like motivating Cole last year by attacking his ability publicly.
Parker & Speigel show? You don’t listen to much Chicago radio, do you Steve?
Yeah everyone knows its Parker and Spankings
Well, Miggy-two-bags coming up and getting to prove he’s still got it (hopefully). Rooting for you, Miggy, even though I lost confidence in you a loooooooooong time ago.
The biggest disgrace about this whole thing is Anderson saying he could be the next Jackie Robinson.. Jackie Robinson changed the game of baseball. Anderson is a loudmouth only interested in self promotion.
Even if Chapman is healthy, or mostly so, they may want to take this as an opportunity to IL him, rest, and then send him on a rehab assignment to get his mechanics straightened out. His release point is all off.
Yes, that should be a priority. He’s a mess. To keep throwing him out there is subjecting him to injury with as hard as he throws too.
RobM,
You are right on as usual! Sure hope the Yankees don’t pursue him this off season. Obviously, his best days are behind him.
Yes, true! Chapman is unreliable, unfortunately. He’s lost on the mound. Not sure what happened but it’s clearly visible. When he’s lost, players just wait for that slider to tee it up (happened to be a FB last night) & unload.
They need to bring in some of the younger arms to rotate in and give some of these guys a bit of rest. I still don’t get why they aren’t adding Manny B with as well as he’s performing.
Last year of his contract.
Anyone who think what Donaldson said was racist is a moron without a brain plain and simple.
Tim Anderson in 2019 said he was the next Jackie Robinson and since then has gone on to show that he is mediocre at best
So Donaldson threw it in his face, nothing racist about it
The most absurd statement made by anybody in regard to this sorry saga was made by Anderson in 2019:
“I kind of feel like today’s Jackie Robinson,” he says. “That’s huge to say. But it’s cool, man, because he changed the game, and I feel like I’m getting to a point to where I need to change the game.”.
You’re a new Jackie Robinson because you want to break the “have-fun barrier”?
What does that mean?
“I’m bringing something to baseball that’s never been brought, as far as the swag,” he said. “I love fashion, and just being different, and bringing black culture to baseball and doing it in a different way, because today’s game is boring. … (After the bat flip,) a lot of people who don’t watch baseball, they actually gave me feedback, like, ‘Man, if this is going on in baseball, I better watch it.'”
Oh, you’re the first guy in the league with swagger?
Man, get over yourself.
Jackie Robinson didn’t just change the game; he helped change the culture. He endured viciousness like nothing you’ve ever seen between the lines. You’re like him, when MLB punished a guy for hurting your feelings? Please.
BTW, this same guy was suspended for calling a white player “a weak-ass f—— n—–.”
I ask you: what’s more disrespectful of black people — calling a black player “Jackie,” or attempting to insult a white player by calling him “a weak-ass f—— n—–”? Anderson’s idea of insulting someone is to call him a pejorative term for black people?
Bro, you’re not the first hot dog to play this game. Far from it. And you’re not the first black player with style — again, far from it. You sound pretty ignorant of the history of baseball, even recent history.
The reality is that none of Judge, Stanton, Hicks, etc, etc, etc, would step foot in the locker room with Donaldson if they truly thought he was being racist. Tim Anderson’s 15 seconds of fame this season….
Yes and JD has had this history for years. Playing against him? “I hate that guy”. Playing with him as your teammate? “I fuggin’ love that guy. He’s my homeboy”. JD is one of those fierce competitors.
Tim Anderson is an egotistical headcase who has exhibited multiple times his thin-skin and quick to baby tirade over the smallest incidents. TA is NO Jackie. He’s not remotely in the ballpark of the legendary Jackie Robinson as either a player or human being. TA should’ve never compared himself to Jackie that way. With that said. Josh Donaldson is a notorious a-hole with a history and with the personality of actor David Keith in Major League II. JD said what he said to be a smarmy, smartass and to get under TA’s skin. It worked. But was it racist or racially motivated? Not on your life. As a matter of fact, TA brought this criticism on himself. My two cents? TA is a baby (possibly paranoid-prejudice) & JD is an arsehole. End if story.
This is so stupid.
Just let the two players duke it out for a minute like in hockey and just suspend them for the next game they play against each other.
Hockey stands as an example to other team sports. For sixty minutes or more, the players play as hard as they can and bash the hell out of each other. Then, when it’s all over, they line up and shake hands like gentlemen, respecting the competition.
Maybe baseball wouldn’t have to deal with so much lingering animosity if they did the same instead of having only the winning team line up on the field when the game’s over.
I hesitate to even wade into these waters, because they’re so radioactive.
Flip line from Donaldson, based on Anderson’s previous comments, intending to suggest that he shouldn’t compare himself to a legend, and making fun of him or doing so (and perhaps taking himself a little too seriously/overestimating his abilities and position in the game).
That would be my take. But Donaldson does have a rep, so not surprised about the backlash.
Donaldson gets a game suspension for calling someone something that they called themselves.
Meanwhile, no Astros players got suspended for cheating to win the 2017 World Series***
Just DL Chapman. No sense in pushing right now.
What a freaking snowflake. How is that a racist comment? MLB is trying its best to join the Woke Crowd no matter how trivial and preposterous a level they have to delve. My feeling is that neither of the two players have an IQ much above room temperature and what’s wrong with needling an opposing player anyhow? Play ball for god’s sake and leave the politics in the gutter where it belongs. And shouldn’t it be considered a compliment to be compared to the demigod Robinson?
Some of you are big mad in here and it’s hilarious.
TA did call himself Jackie. JD just getting under his skin happens to all ballplayers. CWS are underperforming I dont care what they have to say. NY will be in the post, Chi unlikely.
A huge nothing burger nothing about race.
I’m a Yankee fan who thinks Anderson is a very talented, egotistical, trash-talking, hot dogging loudmouth who likes to dish it out but can’t take it (which makes his self-comparison to Jackie Robinson such a travesty, when Robinson endured so much viciousness with superhuman self-control).
I also think Donaldson, whether he’s a racist or not, was stupid, at a minimum, to invite accusations of racism by calling Anderson “Jackie.” This was a clash between two unsportsmanlike knuckleheads.
But I can’t help observing the fact that MLB’s much-belated sensitivity to racism is exacerbated by decades of institutionalized racism by the league, which is embarrassing to them, to put it mildly.
Donaldson gets suspended for something that might’ve been — or might not have been — racist. Shoeless Joe Jackson, who should be in the Hall of Fame, is banned for life despite being exonerated in a jury trial — and who banned Shoeless Joe? Commissioner Landis, who had no problem with a segregated league. And now several past owners who enforced segregation in their clubs are in the Hall of Fame, along with Landis.
MLB is so full of it, in so many ways.
In other news, the way Cole got rocked in the third inning, I wonder if the O’s discovered a tell that tipped his fastball? I sure hope he doesn’t have more innings like that, especially at his pay grade. And this was against the mighty Orioles.
Another concern is the cooling Yankee offense. I hope Boone can field a more dynamic lineup than we saw tonight, and ASAP. Judge can’t do it all by himself.
What BS this is. Anytime you want to disparage someone just call them a ‘racist’, or in other cases an ‘anti vaxxer’. That’s the way people attempt to win their arguments these days. As for Hendriks, what a joke he is, go and look up what sledging is, there are many times where people make remarks to other players that are not friends or close in a multitude of sports.. But hey, just because Anderson is black, let’s call Donaldson a ‘racist’……that will ‘work’.
Here’s but one example from cricket, you can find many others.
Zimbabwean fast-bowler Eddo Brandes was a unique character. He was a chicken farmer who bowled fast in the big league. When he faced Glenn McGrath in a game, the Australian seamer asked him, “Why are you so fat?”
Brandes retorted, “Because every time I f*** your wife she gives me a biscuit.”
How would that go down in baseball, maybe a 162 game suspension.
“Boone further divulged that the 26-year-old, who tossed a pair of scoreless relief innings in the Majors and has a 0.83 ERA and 30-to-2 K/BB ratio in 24 1/3 Triple-A frames this season, will make a spot start during tomorrow’s doubleheader”
There’s a doubleheader tomorrow? Somebody better tell the Yankees and Orioles and whoever posted tomorrow’s schedule.
Overreaction by MLB. That sort of stuff happens on a daily basis, there was no racist intent on his part, but because woke LaRussa says it was MLB decided to cave in.
lmao the idea of calling TLR “woke.” Did you just become a baseball fan this last year?
Tim Anderson is the Russell Westbrook of baseball. Lots of stats, doesn’t really care about his team and wants to fight everyone. They both love to be the center of attention.
He does care about his team. Team leader who puts up stats. Doesn’t care about saud stats
“One game?” Kelly asked rhetorically. “I got eight games for making a silly face at Carlos Correa.”
Well, for that and maybe a few other things, Joe:
‘Los Angeles Dodgers reliever Joe Kelly was handed an eight-game suspension by Major League Baseball for his role in the benches-clearing incident that occurred at Minute Maid Park in Houston on Tuesday night.
‘After his 3-0, 96 mph fastball sailed behind Bregman, Kelly threw four pitches high to Astros first baseman Yuli Gurriel and later brushed back Correa with a couple of inside curveballs. After striking out Correa, Kelly made a pouty face at the Astros’ shortstop as he walked off the field. Baker claimed Kelly also yelled: “Nice swing, b—-.”‘
Not that that makes you a bad guy.
Did Leslie Nelson get upset when people called him Shirley?
No, but it really chapped him when they called him Nelson instead of Nielsen. ; )
And from Donaldson’s former teammates in Atlanta…….(crickets)
And Oakland. Toronto, Cleveland. Minnesota. Liam would know. He was teammates with several of these guys and heard back.
How do you know he “heard back”?
I love it when players have large personalities like Donaldson, Anderson, Bauer, Stroman, Bumgarner, and J. Kelly. It’s a shame that MLB suspends anyone who dares to behave like an individual. I think we as fans should be more supportive of them and not berate a player whenever they say anything besides the same generic lines found in every interview. Let the kids play!
Speejanny- think you made the absolutely most sensible comment in this entire thread.
Oh so behaving like an individual and what got Bauer suspended and not beating a woman, got it. You forgot Chapman from your list in that case.
TA equated himself to Jackie Robinson in a 2019 interview. Young guy, full of hubris, made a fairly embarrassing and historically ignorant comparison. Fast-forward three years and JD tries to get under TA’s skin by calling him “Jackie”…kind of rubbing it in during some tense gamesmanship. I am sure TA feels stupidly for equating himself to such a baseball legend, so the fact that JD brings this up is irritating and irksome to him. What better way to turn those shameful feelings around than by making it into a racial thing? In fact , La Russia and Grandal may have arrived at that cover story before TA sorted it all out, and then he just embraced the new narrative.
On the other hand, JD is lying about this being an “inside joke.” Like a White Sox player said, you only have inside jokes with folks you’re friends with…not between two antagonists. And without the background of the Jackie Robinson analogy from 3 years ago, Grandall, LaRussa and others who became instantly offended actually have a point. A white player calling a black player “Jackie” could come off as racist if you’re unaware of the prior context. So all in all, everyone either misconstrued everything and misrepresented themselves to some degree. Stupid all around on everybody.
This comment gets it right
And every one of yours gets it wrong.
How was bingo night with the rest of the old ladies?
remember in school when you didn’t like being called a certain name and everyone called you that anyway? i hope everybody calls him jackie, from now own.
Was he offended by the fact he was arguably compared to Jackie Robinson?
Not when he did it, only when someone else did it, after he did it, publicly.
I’d say it’s not too wrong to say that Josh was framed by Tim who got pissed of at the third base slide incident prior to the “Jackie” incident. I mean, Tim had told in a magazine a few years ago that he’s the next Jackie right? Then of-course many will call him Jackie out of friendship, out of respect, what not, totally non-racially. I bet he felt even good being called that.. So Josh did call him that a few times as he admits and at his third or fourth attempt, all of a sudden he’s a racist? I don’t buy it. I’d say Time did frame him and brought this issue into a racial one just because he got pissed at the slide. Thus, to me, great sympathy for Josh, one thumb down for Tim.
I love how situations like this bring out so much insight from so many people who have no idea what it’s like to be black.
True, because if everyone posting here we’re actually black they’d understand just how ridiculous it would be to be called Jackie after calling yourself Jackie. Wonder how much smack an NBA player would take if they called themselves the modern day Bill Russell? I can assure you things Anderson has said on the field to opposing players over the years have been far worse and he didn’t get suspended for them.
I’m not taking Tim Anderson’s side. Duh it’s silly that he called himself that. But Donaldson knew what he was doing by instigating. Both sides sound like a bunch of whiny (word I can’t say) because of their politics/religion. On top of that, one side is over sensitive and one side hasn’t exactly proven that they have moved beyond the 1860s yet. This comment section shouldnt be open. The slime always finds a way to climb out of the gutter when stuff like this is discussed.
@sfes What’s the difference if you’re white, hispanic, asian, black, arab, etc. Aren’t we all human, or is there a special class for certain people, or do you you want a certain race to be the ‘victims’ always and forever? It is people like you that are the problem in today’s world.
That’s not even close to what I said in either comment. This is why the comment section should be closed. Race conversations really bring out the finger pointers and human trash
In fact both sides of this argument are stupid. Donaldson is probably not a racist and Tim Anderson is way over sensitive about this. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said nothing about victims or who was wrong.
It’s strange because you chastised people then turned around and agreed by restating what most said on here, which is that: Both sides did something they shouldn’t. JD made a dumb, arguably inappropriate (insert other descriptor) comment; Anderson knows it wasn’t racist, it was agitating.
So you criticized people to then agree and restate what they wrote – I’m confused as to why?
For the record, I agree with you. I don’t like Donaldson’s antics. I don’t like what he said. I think he’s an idiot for doing it. But, I don’t believe it was racist.
I don’t think it was racist either. I do understand that TA is probably very sensitive to comments he hears from fans and online… And hell just growing up black. What I’m saying is I can understand why he was immediately sensitive about it just from history. But he should have thought it over before going public and screaming racism and realize that JD didn’t mean it that way.
This shouldn’t even be news
And it’s only news because it’s a suspension. So going back to most commenting here that by your belief haven’t moved past the 1860s, it shouldn’t be a suspension either.
I didn’t say “most commenting here haven’t moved past the 1860s.” Not even close, and I didn’t take sides. Both sides are making a mountain of a molehill. And I’m talking about it being this kind of huge crazy news before the suspension. TA turned it into much more than it needed to be. TLR’s comments as well
Most on here are calling the issue overblown and they are the side you clearly stated haven’t moved past the 1860s. Also, when trying to quote someone you’re support to put the exact words inside the quotes “goes in here”…
Oh really? Correcting my punctuation? Are you “support” to do that…? lol you do realize many of us are posting on cell phones that sometimes add periods where we don’t intend to? Or change words that turn into nonsense like your mistake up in that comment? Or is it just the pot calling the kettle black?
So sensitive and so easily rattled. Not the punctuation police, errors are everywhere and autocorrect plays with what people sometimes intend to say but quoting somebody should be an EXACT comment.
You’re talking about a period probably cause you’re on yours
You’re implying way too much buddy. The 1860s comment was referring to a particular group that isn’t hard to differentiate. Not anyone specifically on MLBTR.
Whoa epic burn bro…clown!
Yeah it was pretty lame. But it made me chuckle like a 5 year old
Either way, I really don’t enjoy arguing about anything. TA was wrong for turning it racist and JD is wrong for having that haircut
Well hello there richt, so nice you could chime in with such important information. Nice to hear a post-menopausal woman’s point of view.
Really? Planning a school shooting? You really are a scumbag that brings nothing to any conversation about baseball.
Wow, you called me something other than a woman! You’re evolving!
But you’re still the pot calling the kettle black with that remark, like sfes says. Poor microboy, he just can’t win!
Sfes: Aren’t you being slightly presumptive and bigoted in your comment that this “brings out so much insight from so many people who have no idea what it’s like to be black.”
So, two things:
1) You’re presuming nobody here is of color (wrong), and,
2) you’re presuming you know better than they “what it’s like to be black” thereby limping all “black people” into the same experiential category, which is a tad……..racially insensitive.
The reason comments are open is because the is a predominant topic and will find its way into threads anyway. They’re smart to keep it here. That’s why it’s open. Why do Americans find open forums on topics that need to be discussed with differing opinions so reprehensible now? Perhaps that is what’s wrong today? Perhaps that is why, as you put it, “people don’t know what it’s like to be black?”
*lumping* it should read.
Added note: Perhaps closing threads is what gives the impression to people not of color that {all} “black people” feel the same way too, which is, again, just a tad racially insensitive & bigoted.
@yc I understand, this issue is on its own going to bring out strong opinions, THAT Comment in particular was only referring to maybe a few people who make reprehensible comments. The wrong people seem to be getting defensive and taking it to refer to a large swath of people. The other comments I left were what specifically I am trying to say.
The suspension was premature and ridiculous
Okay, that’s fair, I could’ve misinterpreted that part. It’s also tough with so many references here too.
People in general are reprehensible. Combine that with a good shot at anonymity & it becomes a recipe for debase behavior. Generally, I think most on here (yourself included) have come to very reasonable conclusions about the entire scenario, which is reassuring, overall.
People will never cease to disappoint, but I try to pay more attention to the ones that persevere – the ones that rise above the fray to have honest discussion, learn, & express genuine respect for the game and others. There’s definitely a moral to this story, no doubt, that applies to JD. Hopefully, a critical lesson for a lot of people about how quickly speech can be used against if you don’t guard against it as a public figure.
I appreciate the discussion sfes, thank you.
@Sfes
sfes7 hours ago
I love how situations like this bring out so much insight from so many people who have no idea what it’s like to be black.
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sfes4 hours ago
That’s not even close to what I said in either comment. This is why the comment section should be closed. Race conversations really bring out the finger pointers and human trash
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What? Don’t you even know what you’ve written here? It is exactly what you said. Maybe you need English comprehension lessons.
No one needs an idea what it’s like to be black. If you’re not asserting that THEY ARE ALL victims if they’re black, then what exactly are you making this comment for. And whilst you’re at it, take your own ‘trash’ out.
@Fred McGriff you really should rethink your logic here. You make a comment about closing the comment section BUT you yourself have posted several “opinion comments” .
We live in a free world….for now…where you don’t have to read the comments. You Don’t have to post in the comments and as a matter of fact you don’t even have to open up the comments section.. You can just read the article and leave.
So make comments and get responses you don’t like prompts you to suggest comments should be closed? Just stop and go back in the fridge before you melt.
@Yankee Clipper Thank you for your calm, non biased evaluation and discussion. Some people get so worked up for no reason. Peace fellow New Yorker
YC got it. There’s nothing implying what you said. It’s referring to a small population of people/commenters. We don’t know what Anderson’s personal experience has been, yet he should have still thought about it logically before he went public. MLB’s response was a bit odd as well.
There’s nothing about that implying that all African Americans are victims. Tim Anderson’s experiences (fans, online comments, hell just growing up black) may have him sensitive to certain things. He should have thought it out before he went public with incorrect accusations. TLR as well.
McGriff you, if anyone, needs an idea of what it’s like to be black in the US.
Here you go again, telling someone that you disagree with (even when they point out obvious holes in your logic) that they need to go get help from a doctor or are disturbed.
Since you do this to more people than just me… maybe it’s you who needs the help and are just projecting? Uh-oh, I caught ya!
I was thinking the same thing, richt. This McGriff guy uses the same retort everyday. Pretty sure nobody has a mental problem and to suggest such a thing is plain ignorant.
“Aren’t you being slightly presumptive and bigoted in your comment”
Presumptive sure, but bigoted? No. Bigotry against white people doesn’t actually exist in practice in this country.
It’s bigoted if you’re implying all black people feel the same way, but I’m guessing you didn’t really get that because…… you’re not black, perhaps?
I wasn’t referring to the white people, fella.
He’s not implying all black people feel the same way. He’s saying that these people don’t know what being black is actually like. That’s pretty different.
You’re a unique individual. Weird, definitely weird. Probably need help in many ways, especially with EQ. But, if you don’t understand what I wrote I won’t explain it any further….. because sfes & I have put the issue to bed.
Lmao someone who thinks institutional racism doesn’t exist is talking to me about EQ? You probably have some snake oil to sell me too huh?
@Richt
I am glad to see that the racist in you is coming out, and that you actually believe that “Bigotry against white people doesn’t actually exist in practice in this country.”-your words. This aptly demonstrates that you’re a racist, because racism can occur amongst any race of people, it’s just for people like you that are so far deluded with your extreme ideologies that you ‘think’ it only belongs only to a certain race or colour. Again, go and see a psychiatrist for your profound delusions, as you have many mental issues that require help from a professional.
Lmao here it comes, trying to gaslight me into thinking I’m the bigot here.
It exists in theory, not in practice. It aptly demostrates that I understand how race ACTUALLY works because I am a person of color, and experience it. There is no actual, meaningful racism happening against you pasty boys in this country. Go find it. I dare you. It doesn’t exist. Tucker Carlson is not a victim of racism, and neither are you, wonderbread boy.
I feel like the guy online telling OTHER people to see a mental health professional just because he disagrees with people beyond his narrow world view probably shouldn’t be casting stones
Tim is the only one who knows if he actually took being called Jackie as a racist slur. His teammates, coaches,announcers and everyone else can only go by what he claims. Personally I think he should be a little bit more thick skinned..perhaps after the game say something to the affect ( effect? I always use the wrong one) of ” he claims it wasn’t racial but I don’t know I feel it was racial” rather than “it was a straight out racist statement”. Subtle difference but would have gotten his point across without kicking off all the knee jerk reactions from everyone. Bigger question is how are they going to throw out all the future fans that will now chant “jaaaaackie” everytime he comes to the plate knowing it tweaks him.
Wow it’s this simple, if you believe JD calling TA ‘Jackie’ is racist you’re soft as a grape. Nothing racist about that at all it’s called busting balls. Anderson is a great ball player but his mouth is tiring. He can talk all he wants and the second another grown man calls him out it’s racism. BFS! People need to grow up and act like adults. Anderson knows there was nothing racist about it he knows exactly what Donaldson is talking about. Shame on all those White Sox players and coaches making this a race thing.
Yup, it is simply busting chops. If Donaldson had compared himself to Babe Ruth, and Anderson referred to him as “Babe”, there wouldn’t be one single comment from a single person in the entire world.
Some of you might think you’re helping, but all this does is create an atmosphere where white players simply stop talking to or about black players. It’s like kidding around at work. If you have to worry about offending someone that is too tall, too short, a different race, a different nationality, a different religion, a different gender, sexual persuasion, then the only people that we are allowed to make fun of is white, male Yankee fans.
Does anyone truly believe we are creating a better world by reducing our interactions to “hi” and “goodbye”?
Reading comments here remind me of why most of my friends denigrate sports fans. I enjoy the game, but what a bunch of dim bulbs in these comment threads. I’m kinda embarrassed to be a sportsball fan.
@Andujar
And I bet none of your friends, and you included, can debate based on facts.
I’d say you better resign from being a “sportsball fan” because it’s ’embarrassing’. Do you think anyone cares. Your friends are probably bigots too.
If MLB truly believed Donaldson had made a racist remark, it would have merited a season long suspension, at the very least. And if he had made a racist remark, I and many others would have supported a very severe suspension, even as a Yankee fan. The fact that they gave him ONE game, even in the political climate of 2022, proves that nobody in the commissioner’s office truly believes that it was a racist comment. So La Russa, Grandal, Hendricks etc. look like completely biased fools, utterly floating in the breeze here.
Sorry, not a racist comment. Foolish? Yes. Giving the other team ammunition and motivation to beat you? Yes. Racist??? NOT.
LOOK, it can be -construed- as a racist statement by those who heard it without any of the context or history between the players. That’s why I think LaRussa and Grandal had immediate hostile reactions. But they should have changed their tune once they understood the overall situation. They were never allowed to get that far , or change their mind, and heck they’re in the middle of a baseball season and need to put stuff to bed and move on with life.
Have you ever heard LaRussa? He’s never been wrong about anything in his life. I think he’s been drinking too much again.
Suspending Donaldson is weak! I am a Black and Latin male just to put it out there. Tim Anderson putting it out there that he is “Modern Day Jackie Robinson” then Josh calling him Jackie doesn’t constitute racism. Now I’m speaking to other minorities that are reading this post. Is racism still prevalent in today’s society, yes it is. However, stop playing the “victim” card every time a situation occurs that you don’t agree with by automatically calling the situation and the person racist. We as a people need to inform and educate others that may not understand or are oblivious to issues minorities go through. First we need to educate OURSELVES. If you are one of those people that use social media as a sole source of information to inform you, I’m speaking directly to YOU. You use a source that is opinionated not factual. Education people.
Just Blame Trump it’s his fault. Gimme a break people. So tired of hearing everything that is wrong it’s Trumps fault. We got a weak a** dude running the country that doesn’t have a clue. Riddle me this, when have you ever heard our president accept responsibility for issues that are going on? Joe plays the blame game and points fingers and places blame in every other direction. That is a tell tale sign of weak leadership. I spent 21 years in the Marine Corps and retired in 2020 and I’ve seen weak leadership at multiple levels. There were times myself and other leaders were put in positions we didn’t ask for and had to make decisions that possibly could get someone hurt or killed. Ask any service member that has led they will tell you the first step is accept responsibility. You can’t take credit when things are going good then turnaround and deflect responsibility when the crap hits the fan. That is WEAK!
Do us all a favor and take your politics to a political website. This is a baseball website, not a place to spew your grossly inaccurate partisan bullshit.
Thanks.
@Fink Ployd
Why? Have you read the whole board? Yet you only picked out his comment. Take your bull**** cherry picking elsewhere.
Too bad ignorance isn’t painful.
Move the All Star game to Colorado. That will fix everything.
Ah yes, here come the Donaldson defenders, Trump supporters, and their ilk in full force to defend another poor white man who’s obviously being treated unfairly and the victim here. How can we as a country put up with this ongoing injustice against caucasians over the past five hundred years? Oh, the horror! Hide the women and children!
Maybe you and bravesnation nc can go find a chatroom where you can argue about politics to your hearts’ content. This is a baseball website.
I realize this issue with Donaldson has political implications, but they can be — and should be — limited to the event under discussion: his remark to Anderson. Your unfounded equation of “Donaldson defenders” and “Trump supporters” is bullshit.
As I said above, I don’t know if Donaldson is or isn’t a racist. Either way, he was stupid to call Anderson “Jackie” because of the likelihood it could be construed as racist; and, unsurprisingly, it was. They’re both troublemaking jerks as far as I can tell, and their records in that regard precede both of them.
If you’re honest, you’ll admit that you don’t know if Donaldson’s racist either. It’s an undisputed fact that Anderson compared himself to Jackie Robinson in an absurd paroxysm of unbridled ego. So when Donaldson says he was referring to that, it makes perfect sense. Why else would Donaldson call him “Jackie”? The most logical conclusion is that he was needling him about making a fool of himself by comparing himself to a Hall of Fame player whose silent heroism was arguably the diametrical opposite of Anderson’s thin-skinned braggadocio.
MLB felt the inescapable need to punish Donaldson because they’ve got their own long history of institutionalized racism dragging behind them and they need to prove constantly that that’s not who they are — even though most of the executive positions throughout the league are still held by white males, the same reason they felt obliged to suspend Chapman for a bogus domestic violence charge even though the responding officers and Florida’s State Attorney concluded there were no grounds for a charge and he didn’t lay a finger on his girlfriend. These punishments are more about MLB’s embarrassment and posturing than about the alleged offenses.
That’s enough politics for this discussion: the politics of Major League Baseball. We don’t need to, and shouldn’t, drag the whole reeking, festering corpse of Republican-Democratic warfare onto this site, which is much better represented as a place we can all escape that stench for a few blessed minutes a day.
Your cooperation would be appreciated.
Nice job Fink. I think everything has been said that could possibly be said about this fiasco. Looking forward to watching some baseball this afternoon and I hope there won’t be any black player vs. white player conflict erupting.
Thanks, bro. I concur. We’ve worn this one out. On to baseball.
Very well expressed fink. I concur.
Fink: Thank you for that. Particularly the festering corpse illustration…. That seemed to hit the bullseye.
It’ll make you happy then to know that we make up less than 9% of the world’s total population…
Don’y worry snowflake, we’ll all be gone from the world within 200 years.
Enjoy your utopia!
SharksFan918 hours ago
Ah yes, here come the Donaldson defenders,
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Defend him? For calling him Jackie? What is there to defend? Nothing. It was banter, but you wouldn’t have a clue about that. You are no doubt profoundly disturbed. TA called himself that, so where is the issue? Do tell. It’s people like you with your victimhood that make every place you go to worse, and you make society worse with your extreme bankrupt woke ideologies.
You’re foaming at the mouth now, just in internet comment form. Just calling everyone on here who sticks up for a black dude “exterme bankrupt woke.”
What an epic meltdown. You tell everyone else they are profoundly disturbed and making the world worse, needing mental health, etc. etc. because they don’t agree with you. I don’t think we’re the ones who need help, bud.
@Richt
If anyone is “foaming at the mouth”, it’s you. You have attempted to turn something that is called banter, trash talk, or sledging on a sports field or baseball diamond, into your own political ideological opinion on this matter, then you have brought all sorts of wacko extreme leftist conclusions on this page, calling me the “Buffalo shooter” and bringing your far left extreme ideological theories on this page including, “critical race theory”, “institutionalized racism”, amongst others. Where is the key to your basement so you can be released to attend a psychiatric evaluation. You definitely require this appointment so that you can be critically evaluated, as you turned something on a sports field between two players into something it isn’t, and therefore you factually have profound mental issues, not only in your mind, but being able to evaluate situations. Your delusions are very concerning for all members of society, but it is a common thread with you and your cohorts.
Here you go again calling me extreme and berating people for not knowing what sledging is, a term not found in western sports.
The fact that you don’t think there’s a racial element to this leads me to believe you lack empathy and basic understanding of American history. The former leads me to believe you’re a sociopath in the vein of the racist shooters you likely worship. Furthermore, you’re telling multiple strangers online they need mental help because they don’t agree with you.
“Where is the key to your basement so you can be released to attend a psychiatric evaluation. You definitely require this appointment so that you can be critically evaluated,”
Someone who says this to another stranger on the internet sure doesn’t sound like a healthy person.
You are very out of touch with reality thinking that institutionalized racism is some “wacko far left extreme ideological theory” because it’s not a theory. It’s as American as apple pie. But in your backwoods hellhole you probably only have whites, so hear-no-evil see-no-evil right? You couldn’t possibly understand what black people encounter in this country every day deal with because you don’t want to. Because you’re a coward. You don’t have the courage to believe that people have it worse than you because of the color of their skin, because of the generations of racism that exist in society and are propped up by simps like you, scared of being called out for oppressing. Be a man. Own your prejudice instead of trying to ban Toni Morrison.
Donaldson’s an a*sclown who gets traded from team to team because he’s a jerk and quickly outwears his welcome.
@richt
Your opinions suck!! Do you know for a fact it was racial? If someone calls themselves a term how can someone else of different race, then use said term and be deemed racist for it? That’s the issue with the world nowadays. TA was a idiot when he made the comment, Jd made fun of him for it….end of story. Would it be possible that maybe just maybe JD has a ton of respect for Jackie Robinson and was offended by TA’s reference? Cause I was, it’s a bs reference, long after TA’s career is over he will be a blip on bb history, he accomplished bat flips….how in any world is that comparable to Jackie f’n Robinson? A absolute pioneer of the sport I mean it’s a stupid comment, stupid to defend, stupid comparison to make.
The issue with the world nowadays is that people like you can’t write in coherent sentences.
More lies and gaslighting! You have no ground to stand on as you are not a mental health professional, you are just some obsessive manchild troll online. You have this fantasy that you are a psychologist, posting stuff like you’re some authority. But you cite BASEBALL as your reasons! No academic or professional would do that. You’ve again outed yourself as the fraud you are.
Are you going to keep making a fool of yourself in public? Because that’s all you’re capable of.
Feel sorry for Donaldson? Probably the biggest D-bag in the league. I don’t even care if he’s racist or not…I know he’s an A-hole and that’s enough.
And the amount of anger towards TA? Just ridiculous. All of these comments were just sad to read really. But probably not surprising.
For the record, I’m not at all angry at Anderson. It’s sad that a guy with his talent is compelled to constantly promote himself, as if his play weren’t enough. That hints of a deep sense of insecurity, and that’s sad too. I don’t know the man personally, but if that’s his way of reacting to a personal history of racial victimization, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. Different people react to things in different ways.
Angry? Not me. I wish him well — except when he’s playing my team, of course. If the Yankees acquired him, I’d be delighted. Super-talented player. I’d put up with his personality just like I’m putting up with Donaldson’s. It just a game, and it’s about the laundry and winning. If a diverse group of guys can find common ground on an athletic field, that’s one of the best things about sports, IMO.
As for Donaldson, I’m not seeing a lot of people feeling sorry for him here. It’s more about MLB’s dubious rationales for issuing punishments.
And now I need to belatedly take my own advice and get off this discussion.
Hooray, baseball!
I don’t read a lot of “anger” towards TA. I read a lot of anger about the motive behind his claims because of the issues these claims create, especially when they’re such serious claims.
But anger towards TA? No, not really. I think most people agree they’re both two sides of the same moron coin.
Embarrassing. This is such a poor look for the White Sox, and MLB. I mean sure, there are some racial connotations to Donaldson’s comment. Was it maliciously racist though? I don’t necessarily think so. Tim Anderson set himself up for these sorts of “slurs” from making such an egregious comparison to Jackie Robinson in the first place. For the people clamoring for Grandal to get some sort of punishment are also off base.
Look, Donaldson is an ass (that’s putting it nicely). He should have gotten a ball in his back minimally. He’s done this nonsense for years with the White Sox. This is just another instance in an ongoing instigating diatribe from Donaldson. He did it with Toronto, Minnesota, and now New York. Some upcommence is deserved without question. So I feel the White Sox as a whole have every right to feel indignant towards him.
With that being said the suspension is completely unwarranted. It was a “wise ass” comment to get under his skin. Apparently it worked. No surprise there from either party (Donalson being an ass, and Anderson blowing up). Calling him out for being “racist” is a stretch though. Put one in his back, move on. Don’t go to the media while doubling down on unfounded accusations. You just look like a bunch of crybabies. This whole thing is just ridiculous.
It’s just amazing how the extreme leftists that comment on this page, turn what is known as banter, sledging, or trash talk between two players who dislike each other into their own leftist political ideology and attempt to call Donaldson a ‘racist’ because one human is white and the other is black. They’re two competitive sports people going at each other, and I guarantee it’s mostly people on this page that have never played anything competitively that just don’t get it. Again, TA called himself Jackie, so how dare anyone else give it to him about that and sledge him and call him what he called himself. But hey, because he is a different colour it’s ‘racist’ to say so. Cry babies. Your feelings are hurt so you had to turn it into something it quite definitely and factually isn’t.
No one knows what sledging is. You keep saying it like it’s some term that athletes use when it’s not.
But we get it, you’re an angry little man who thinks all the problems in this country are due to some extreme liberal ideology because Fox News and the GOP has conditioned you to believe that treating someone with respect (which JD definitely didn’t do) is some dirty communist plot to take down the whites. And you think we’re the problem.
@Richt
richt11 mins ago
No one knows what sledging is. You keep saying it like it’s some term that athletes use when it’s not.
But we get it, you’re an angry little man who thinks all the problems in this country are due to some extreme liberal ideology because Fox News and the GOP has conditioned you to believe that treating someone with respect (which JD definitely didn’t do) is some dirty communist plot to take down the whites. And you think we’re the problem.
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Thanks for proving my point 100% with your above comment. Who is “we”? You are the problem, amongst others, just look at your comment on a baseball site. You are profoundly disturbed.
You do not know what sledging, trash talk, or banter is because you are insular and have a poor knowledge of ALL sports.
However, just so you can be ‘educated’ out of your ignorance, here it is. This will be very difficult given your extreme arrogance and lack of comprehension. You’ve already attempted to bring other things that are not factually present into this matter and make it into something else, so yes, you are severely deluded.. I doubt you can comprehend the below, it’s not for snowflakes like you that bring extreme leftist political ideologies onto a sport page about baseball.
In sport, “sledging” or “taunting” describes the practice of using insulting, intimidating or provocative language or behaviour against an opponent to try and gain a competitive advantage.
“You are profoundly disturbed.”
You have said that to how many people on this baseball site now? I don’t think we’re the ones who need help. You are so mad that people don’t agree with your views that we’re all some snowflakes or extreme leftists because we’re sticking up for someone when an opponent crossed the line. There is a line that JD crossed by bringing a racial element into this. You are railing so hard against these people who disagree with your views in a way that suggests extreme fragility. Your position is on such thin ice that you are defending it to the hilt. You are so insecure about it that you say everyone who disagrees needs psychiatric help. Sounds like someone who can’t handle disagreement… like a snowflake.
I have watched and played team sports for over 20 years and never once heard the term sledging. It’s called trash talk. No one says that word. Get it through whatever you have rolling around in your skull.
Race is obviously relevant to this conversation. Going up to a black guy and calling him Jackie is at least a touch racist. If you don’t believe me, go try it. Go to a ballfield and start calling whatever black player you see “Jackie”. Even if it’s not Tim Anderson. If you don’t think this is racist, go do it. I dare you.
Just because you don’t want it to be a racially-tinged issue, doesn’t mean it is so. Just like how you probably didn’t want that last election to go how it went, but it did.
Apparently though, you know nothing about all sports if you don’t know what the word “sledging” means. I guarantee you no MLB players use this term. Do they no nothing about sports?
McGriff…. dude, you are seriously messed up. Not just racist, but gaslighting everyone here to say that they’re disturbed when you’re just going around tossing off stuff like get professional health because they’re talking about how race is involved in this story. I pray that you never get access to a gun… too many nutjobs like you getting easy access to them and trying to make names for themselves or kill minorities.
@Richt
Because I said it to you, and you are disturbed. You brought something into this situation that doesn’t exist, you brought up “institutionalized racism”, critical race theory amongst other things. I have facts, where as you just have your BS theories. You didn’t know that taunting had another English term due to your pathetic ignorance, then you have the hide to criticize me. You leftist Liberals are laughable. When you can’t win an argument you turn the topic into something else, like calling me the “Buffalo gunman”. Again, you’re seriously mentally disturbed, it’s a fact based on what you’ve said on this topic in regard to Donaldson. You have delusions about the whole thing, and you are deluded. These are facts based on the statements you have made, nothing else. You’ve probably never been outside outside your basement, let alone outside your own county or country, so you’re very uneducated.
@cubswoocubswoo
“Dude”, you are seriously messed up. Who did I gaslight that is “everyone”? Yet here you are calling me a “racist”. How laughable. I’ve said nothing “racist” at all. But since you like to tell lies, Columbo, I dare you to find anything I’ve said that is racist on the whole MLBTR site, you don’t even know what colour I am-but you’re assuming. Race isn’t involved in this story at all, that is YOUR woke opinion, assumption, and a fallacy. People like you are a joke and a poor excuse for humanity, and you haven’t got a clue about sport whatsoever.
Once again, Anderson called himself Jackie Robinson, Donaldson calling him that is a taunt, it isn’t racist at all. You obviously have no clue.
@You Can Put It In The Books
and your other multiple accounts, stooge.
Yes MF22, sure. You are tiresome on here with your boring & useless comments about the Braves.
@Richt
Just because you are ignorant of other sports and the world of sports as a whole due to you not having been outside USA, makes it your problem that you “haven’t heard of it”. They are all the same thing, banter, sledging, trash talk, you are ignorant and insular, and just because you haven’t heard of it and you don’t know of it, don’t tell me it only has one term – trash talk, when it can be any of the aforementioned terms, you are just ignorant of the terminology because you’re uneducated. This is a fact.
Now do run along, you are a tiresome left wing extremist attempting to assert that Donaldson was racist, when the exchange between Anderson and Donaldson was nothing of the sort. Go and espouse your delusions about “critical race theory” and “institutionalized racism” elsewhere. Maybe you should be in an institution for the mentally impaired. The comments you’ve made say you should be.
the fact that you believe institutional racism doesn’t exist tells us all that you’re racist. Your “facts” are just your narrow worldview spoon-fed to you by Fox News. You likely have no one in your life who isn’t a white dude just like you. It’s funny what you say about leaving your county/country when you’re the narrow-minded one here, too cowardly to see beyond the blinders you have to racism in this country, which you think doesn’t exist.
Sledging is not a term used in North American sports no matter how hard you try. No one else on here has heard of it. No one is ignorant because they haven’t heard some obscure term you’re trying to push. What are you on?
You have multiple people on this thread pointing out how illogical and unhinged you’re acting. You need a serious dose of reality.
“Race isn’t involved in this story at all, that is YOUR woke opinion, assumption, and a fallacy.”
I bet you’re the kind of person who likes to say you’re colorblind, and also that thinks George Floyd deserved it
“People like you are a joke and a poor excuse for humanity, and you haven’t got a clue about sport whatsoever.”
Because he doesn’t know what “sledging” is? You’re the only one here who says that.
You’ve said racist crap up and down this thread, but you are too thick and bigoted to understand it. What makes you a bigot? You call others who stand up for a black guy “a poor excuse for humanity.” Projecting your abhorrent views onto others, decrying them as “woke” (which you don’t even know the definition of) because you’re too cowardly to see how right they actually are. So scared of being wrong. So insecure about your fragile white male ego. As white as a snowflake.
I can only imagine how much you would have gone crazy for George Wallace and Democrats down south in the 60s.
@richt
The fact that you’ve asserted that I said “institutional racism doesn’t exist” shows me and demonstrates to me that you are a leftist liar incapable of proper factual debate. Go and find on this page where I said that and copy and paste it. You have fraudulently asserted that I said it, but this is how you leftists argue, you lie and attempt to say someone said something when they didn’t. Just like you’re attempting to assert that somehow Donaldson is a racist, after Tim Anderson compared himself to Jackie Robinson, and when Donaldson baited him and called him Jackie you somehow find it racist. You just haven’t got a clue.
You are a fraud, that likes to tell lies about people, you flat out lie in an attempt to get a point across.. You’ve introduced that nonsense about “institutionalized racism” and “critical race theory” to this page and argument, when it’s nothing to do with what happened with two baseball players named Donaldson & Anderson.
“Sledging is not a term used in North American sports”. It may not be a term in North American sports, however it is just a different word or terminology for trash talking or taunting or banter, just because it’s not in your vocabulary doesn’t make it not a thing. Because there’s something that you don’t know, you say it is wrong and incorrect. It shows me how insecure & uneducated you are. You see, you think you know it all, and quite patently you don’t, and I’ve proven you don’t, you’re insular The term sledging is available on the internet, just because you haven’t heard of it shows me you know nothing about world sport.. The world exists outside of the USA you know, oh wait a minute, you don’t. You’ve probably never left your basement, let alone the USA to broaden your education.
I am not unhinged, it is quite clear that you that have profound psychological issues attempting to introduce “institutional racism” and “critical race theory” into a confrontation between two baseball players that does not exist in that argument, and no matter what you or anyone else says, I have used facts, whereas you have used lies, opinion, cognitive dissonance, fraudulence and false assertions.
Institutional racism is a fact for so many people. Just because it’s not a term in your vocabulary, doesn’t make it not a thing. If you don’t see a racial element in this and think someone who does has “profound psychological issues” that just further proves the point that you’re a racist scumbag. You think race has nothing to do with this: how is life in your Aryan bubble? Must be nice ignoring how skin color affects American life for millions. But you can’t be bothered to think of other people. Anyone with empathy though is apparently a snowflake, leftist extremist communist. Murica!
It’s fine to use the term sledging. What’s stupid is saying that all these people who have never heard of it don’t know ANYTHING about sports. What’s even dumber is saying that people are insular and ignorant for not knowing it. Ignorance and “broadening education” to learn some cricket term for trash-talking? Lmfao. This is an obscure sports term you’re referring to, not cultural theory or post-colonial theory, something I’ve actually studied abroad and experienced upon leaving the US.
What’s actually ignorant here, and one of the many ironies of your screed, is believing there is zero racial element to the TA/JD situation. You’re ignorant to racial problems in the world apparently by believing that critical race theory is some wacko nonsense and institutional racism is not a fact. Found the ignorance for you.
Where did you assert that institutional racism doesn’t exist? Because you put quotes around it and call it a “far left extreme ideological theory.” If you believe it exists and are so mad at me for suggesting you don’t think it does, then why are you decrying it so much? If you do believe institutional racism exists, then admit it. Put on your big boy pants.
So no, I am no liar or fraud, even though you’d love it to be so. These are all hard truths that you are too big of a coward to face. Own your prejudice. Own your ignorance. Own your hate. Change yourself. Be a better human. Stop screaming at people online and better yourself by learning how to empathize with people who aren’t white. Challenge yourself. Or is that too hard for you? Too much work? Too scary? You’re that much of a coward.
“I have used facts, whereas you have used lies, opinion, cognitive dissonance, fraudulence and false assertions”
You clearly believe that your opinions are the only facts. That’s actual cognitive dissonance. But what else should we expect from someone who’s throwing a tantrum on this site for days, telling people who disagree with him to get psychiatric help. It’s too pathetic to be funny.
Can’t wait to see you tell me I need to be in a mental hospital again just because I disagree with you! That’s all you can muster. If you think everyone who is against you needs professional help… maybe you should talk to someone about that. I guarantee you it’s not their problem.
So, is “sledging” like some Canadian term? I am 46 years old, live in an urban setting, followed sports for years, and yet I have never once in my life heard this term until now. That’s cool though…learning new things!
Sure Donaldson is a ahole, but really? He called him TA by something TA referred to himself as, come on why is TA referring to himself as Jackie? Noone has a issue with that? Who is TA to diminish imo who or what Jackie did? How in any realm would they be similar? Clearly Donaldson thought it was a stupid comment to, doesn’t mean then saying it is racially motivated! Would it have been racist if Donaldson was black? Is Donaldson really the first to ever say it or make a reference to it?…I highly doubt it. This is that soft snowflake world we live where everything is racial nowadays yet we all wanna act like racial relations are improving lol
Nope, wouldn’t have been racist if a black player said it to him. I don’t care what TA did/said. If you think it’s fine to call a black player “Jackie,” go to your next MLB game and try jeering some black player with that name. See how it goes.
@Richt
You have serious issues, you ‘think’ only black players can say Jackie to Anderson. You’re a flat out racist and some sort of elitist.
Yes, just imagine, some player compared themselves to Babe Ruth or Ted Williams. Only white players can say Hey Babe, or Hey Ted to that X-named baseball player. You are unhinged and need serious mental help for your deluded opinions, that’s a fact.
The more you tell people who disagree with you they need mental help, the less anyone is convinced of your sanity. You’ve had this tantrum for how many days now?
Now who’s bringing in something irrelevant with elitism? Also the tired rightwing trope of calling anyone who points out racist, problemmatic behavior a racist, Classic gaslighting. Go read Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance and learn something: not tolerating intolerance (from intolerant racists like you) is necessary.
McGriff: you are truly the most awful person whose drivel I’ve read online. Not only racially bigoted but also seriously lacking in self-awareness. I can only hope to never cross paths with someone as lacking in decency as you. Surely there is a special place in hell for those who make these kinds of statements.
Oh yes, ‘I am lacking in decency’, yet here you and richt are asserting Donaldson is ‘racist’ for something he said to a baseball player that had no racial connotations whatsoever, it’s just you and some others with your warped sense of entitlement and victimhood who think it does. And here you are calling me ”racially bigoted” when I’ve made not one racist comment on this site ever. The place in hell you refer to is reserved for liars and frauds such as you and richt, who come on here with your mightier than thou attitude talking absolute garbage about CRT and institutionalized racism in relation to a spat between two baseball players on a baseball diamond & character assassinate people for no good reason apart from your self entitlement. However, I doubt people like you believe in hell anyway.
No, you or others are not entitled to call Donaldson a racist, because he isn’t, and nothing he said was racist at all. Furthermore, it’s not up to TLR, TA, or anyone else for that matter to decide whether the comment was racist, when based on fact it isn’t. You and others just WANT it to be so that it supports your woke identity and your perverted deluded politics and world view, which has nothing whatsoever to do with this baseball matter. I agree hollymartins, you’re boorish. Try and be a decent person for your remaining days on earth, instead of being a fraudulent liar about other people.
Who is it up to then if it’s not up to Tim Anderson as a black man in America? You say it’s based on fact so what fact is that. What is your fact that says somethign is racist and something isn’t? Because last I checked that’s just opinion. And you treat your opinion as fact and everyone else’s as and I quote “perverted and deluted” when they’re sticking up for black man in America. Calling people liars and frauds and saying they’re mentally deranged for believing TA that it was a racially-tinged comment.
Since you’re gonna call me out I’m sure, I’ll just say that I’m a black man in America, I found what JD said to be racially insensitive. I also find you to be racially insensitive. I think I’m absolutely entitled to that opinion as a black male. More so than you as someone who is as white as the toilet I pooped on this morning. I didn’t say JD was racist, I said that you were racially bigoted. That’s for thinking institutional racism is some myth and absolute garbage.
Have a good day you ugly person. Go pick up your robes from the cleaner.
You just actually called a black man a racist because I stuck up for ANderson? Don’t call me a victim when I’ve been pulled over for the color of my skin. You wouldn’t know that kind of fear because you don’t have any empathy. Don’t say my skin color doesn’t matter. Just because it’s not th ecolor you want it to be. It matters because black livesmatter. I’m not entitled because I’m proud to be black. You think that’s crap and you think I’m just spewing lies. You’re actually that racist. You have hate in your heart towards black people because you are shutting me down that I said I’m black. What an absolute piece of s**t you are. Racist dbag.
Anyway if I’m lying does that mean you believe institutional racism exists? Since you didn’t say it?
News flash buddy: it’s been racial for a long time. People just ignored it until enough black people got killed by the cops.
You probably thought MLK was a snowflake too huh
Yeah, let’s all pay attention to what LaRussa has to say. The “Do you know who I am” multiple DUI offender, and also a complete jerk.
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Read some other comments and another poster pointed my comments out. Like I said, I’m a Veteran, I joined before 9-11 and re-upped 4 additional times. I got skin in this game as it refers to contributing to this country. I’m glad Americans have freedom of speech and that we can disagree. I’ve been to so many countries in which those people don’t have that privilege. Having a privilege comes with having responsibility. We as a Nation need to do better. Black, white, Latin, or any other ethnicity! Events like NY and Texas are a domestic problem that WE need to address. No matter if you are in the left or right or moderate we as Americans are better than this. Let’s teach and mentor our children and the next generation. Own it, it’s our responsibility.