1:25pm: It’ll be Lambert starting in place of Giolito this week, GM Rick Hahn tells reporters (Twitter links via Scott Merkin of MLB.com). Hahn added that the Sox are “not necessarily expecting him to go out there and get us deep into the game” but rather to open the game with a few quality innings before turning things over to the ’pen.
10:40am: The White Sox announced Tuesday that right-hander Lucas Giolito and outfielder AJ Pollock have both been placed on the 10-day injured list. Giolito left his season debut with an abdominal strain, and the Sox had already revealed that he’s expected to miss at least two starts. Pollock, meanwhile is dealing with a hamstring strain that forced him from Saturday’s game. The ChiSox recalled right-hander Jimmy Lambert and lefty Anderson Severino from Triple-A Charlotte in a pair of corresponding moves.
Giolito hurled four shutout frames before exiting his debut tilt, and he’ll now be sidelined for at least his next two turns through the rotation. His placement on the 10-day IL is retroactive to April 9, so he’s eligible for return beginning on April 19. Giolito joins right-hander Lance Lynn on the shelf, though Lynn is expected to miss considerably more time than him after undergoing knee surgery.
With their top two starters out of action, the White Sox will likely look to Dylan Cease, Dallas Keuchel, Michael Kopech, Vince Velasquez and Reynaldo Lopez to shoulder the workload in the rotation for the time being. Lambert worked three innings in his lone Triple-A appearance thus far, so he could be an option to provide some length along with Velasquez and Lopez at the back of the rotation. Chicago also inked veteran Johnny Cueto to a minor league deal earlier in the month, but he’s still building up toward game readiness after lingering as a free agent throughout the majority of Spring Training.
It’s not yet clear how much time Pollock will be expected to miss, though it’s certainly worth noting that his placement on the IL is retroactive to April 10. Acquired in a straight-up swap that sent Craig Kimbrel to the Dodgers, the 34-year-old Pollock has gotten out to a 4-for-7 start in his brief White Sox tenure so far. His absence will open the door for some additional at-bats in the outfield for Gavin Sheets, Andrew Vaughn and Adam Engel. Both Sheets and Vaughn were getting some early outfield work in just minutes after the announcement, tweets James Fegan of The Athletic.
Ouch.
Eh, Lucas “sticky stuff” giolito is basically a or a 4 at this point. And pollok is probably depressed that he got shipped form LA to Chicago so he’s taking a quick vacation.
dude had a 2.65 ERA in the second half last year, clearly if he was using it didn’t change anything.
In second half Include his 4 inning choke job in playoffs .
You mad? Clearly you didn’t realize how good Giolito was in the 2nd half of last year and how good he was in the first start of the season before he got pulled. White Sox are 3-1 and should be 4-0. Dodgers are 1-2. I’m sure AJ Pollock is happy being on the best team in baseball
Yep. AJP already said as much- more regular role, heard great things about clubhouse and knows Tony too from AZ.
Yeah, I am sure Pollock recognizes the dynasty that is the White Sox.
Dumb comment.
No news here
Pollack on the IL is still a win. I thought a lut Kimbrel returning to Boston but the guy is so inconsistent. Lights out as good as there ever was or laughable as to how he has an MLB job.
Pollock and the IL, name a more iconic duo.
Strasburg and the IL
Carl Pavano, his eponymous MRI machine, and the IL.
Mike Hampton his contract and the IL
Hicks and the IL
Hicks wins. Panda more money but that deal is done. With Hicks, I truly hope he can stay healthy because he is sneaky good to great on both sides of the ball.
Rodon & IL.
Degrom and the IL
Buxton and the IL
Illinois & IL
Illinois and corruption.
florida says hold our beer.
ILL, INI. Mouse.
Florida and strange but true headlines.
Nimmo is the Mets winner.
Sorry but BVW being brain dead for the Cano deal wins for the Mets. Imagine me at the time not panning the deal like most others. My bad. If there ever was an IL for brain challenged GM’s, BVW is on the GM’s IL Mount Rushmore.
When I first read that I’m WTF. Gave up Dunn too and most of salary. Made zero sense for closer to pay that price.
My original thought was paying for Canoe was the only way to get a controllable lock down closer. Diaz, lockdown? LOL. My bad again…
Cano (maybe the Mets would have been better off investing in a canoe).
I don’t disagree with you at all on Cano. However, it’s often overlooked that the remaining salaries of Jay Bruce ($28 million) and Anthony Swarzak ($8.5 million) were also shed in that trade, (plus $20 million in cash from the Mariners), so the Mets are effectively paying Cano $12.7 million per year. Add to that the fact that Kelenic has been downright awful, Dunn has been serviceable (when not injured) and that the Mets have had a very good closer for 4 years running and this deal is not the atrocity it was once perceived as.
But Cano sucks. No argument there.
Correa and axe body spray.
Griffey, Jr and the IL.
Pollock on the dl after only 7 AB’s and a big trade. The dude calls the dl home…. Honestly, and joking aside, my mind wonders how great he could have been if he could have stayed healthy more often
He simply has an extended paternity leave no big deal.
As much as I love Pollock, this is why I was happy with the trade for KImbrel. Pollock will hit 280 but will also be out for at least a month or two (if not longer) of the season. If both are healthy, that trade slants towards the White Sox.
The injury history for Pollock allows this trade to even out a bit. And if Kimbrel shows some of his early 2021 form, the trade has to be considered a big win for the Dodgers.
The Sox were never going to get much for Kimbrel. They needed to trade him and the entire league knew it. They were lucky to get someone as good as Pollock tbh, even with his injury history. They just need to accept it was a bad idea to acquire him in the first place and move on.
It was not a bad idea to acquire Kimbrel. He was the last piece in a World Series championship season. It just didn’t work out.. Just because it didn’t work out doesn’t make it a bad idea.
You can only win the championship in that given year and they tried. There is absolutely no guarantee that Madrigal (who was out for the season at the time of the time) is the final piece in the Sox winning it all this year.
Any ape with a few brain cells to rub together could tell you that what Kimbrel did with the Cubs in 2021 was completely unsustainable.
A 3.8% HR/FB rate wasn’t going to continue, nor was the .203 BABIP against him.
I was shocked how quickly he regressed, but it should be a surprise to absolutely nobody that he was as bad as he was.
The trade was at least understandable. Picking up the option was full on stupid.
Picking up the option was not stupid because they were able to trade for a much needed outfield bat for him.
The first sentence of the comment was at least understandable. The second sentence was full on stupid.
Actually, it was a bad idea. And Tony made it worse by stubbornly running him back out there over and over as a setup guy, when he clearly shoulda been used as a platoon closer. Which, again, brings us back to, It WAS a bad trade.
Did you watch Kimbrel pitch last year? Why on Earth would you ever let him close games when you have the best closer in baseball?
I don’t care what inning Kimbrel was used in, he had absolutely no command and looked like a tired pitcher trying too hard.
Out a month or two of season would be just fine. That’s actually probably your average Sox player over last couple years. Par for the course. Man I’d take 120 Starts from the guy I saw first 2 games in a quick second.
Must be a good trade then. The Sox are delighted to get Pollock and get rid of Kimbrel. It solved two problems for them in one move.
And with Pollock, when he eventually comes off the IL, he usually struggles for a month or so
He’s only going to miss five or six games.
I still think this team will be fine. Fortunately it’s early. It’s not uncommon for players to have minor injuries after leaving the warmth of Arizona and Florida then practically overnight playing in temps around thirty degrees cooler.
Both of these guys will be back in no time. Relax.
Also, the Sox weren’t counting on Pollock playing 160 games.
Relax? Whose comment are you replying to? Seem like everyone has similar reactions as you do.
ATHJKOC!!!
Welp, that didn’t take long.
false rumor that made it rounds yesterday was the fake rumor Montas for Sheets. Seriously what crazy fan would go to the length to make up a fake account to push a fake rumor? That guy has mental problems to impersonate a sport writer.
Most likely a delusional White Sox fan. Sheets for Montas would be a steal for Chicago.
Hard pass on Montas.
I can speak for the White Sox and tell you that we would be willing to deal 1B Gavin Sheets for Montas, and will further sweeten the pot by adding a 3B Jake Burger and SP Jimmy Lambert (a major league ready arm). Oakland can plug in Sheets and Burger for the next 6 or 7 years. Let’s get this done!
That only gets you Trevino. So far Seth Brown is doing fine as the 1B for the A’s.
Fine. Sheets is better! We will keep Sheets and move him at the trade deadline for a 2B. We will give you another pitcher in his place. Jon Steiver. Really good young arm. I can live with this. Jake Burger, Jimmy Lambert and Jon Steiver for Montas. That works both ways!
No chance Oakland does that, pretty much any other team can beat that offer. Sox have no farm and it makes no sense to subtract from the major league team.
tbh the A’s need pitching depth more than anything. I can’t really name a position they are at a black hole with. Garrett Crochet, Jake Burger, Jimmy Lambert for Montas is more in-line with Montas’s value. A’s simply can get more back for him from someone else at that point.
If the Sox were willing to pay their RF 16 million a year, They should of kept Kimbrel, and signed Suzuki. He’s only costing the Cubs 15 million a year and he actually plays!!!! Then they could of traded Kimbrel for something they need to get his 16 million off the books. Sure there was the posting fee but so what? Thoughts?
You underestimate just how unwilling teams were willing to take on $16M of Kimbrel.
If the White Sox wanted to clear that salary, they’d absolutely have to deal out one of their best young players, think someone like Yoelqui Cespedes or Colson Montgomery, and frankly, I’m not sure that’s remotely enough.
$16M for 50% of everything Kimbrel throws to land in another zip code is a lot of money.
They do have the lowest ranked farm but that also doesn’t necessarily mean they have no talent in the minors.
I don’t think it’s fair to evaluate that trade until June or July.
Callis and friends are the dumbest talent evaluators in the history of the planet. Take all their lists, Wad em up in a ball, and use them to start your fireplace in the winter. Callis = stupid.
They didn’t.
Cespedes is going nowhere!!! White Sox do not trade away any talent from Cuba! Trading for Kimbrel was a mistake! Getting A.J Pollack back in return is a gift. Nick Madrigal is barely capable of hitting the ball out of the infield. That essentially makes the Kimbrel/Madrigal trade a Kimbrel/Pollack trade. Huge win for the White Sox!
We can definitely agree on Callis and his talent evaluation skills.
Very Barry calling Madrigals career after 3 games with the cubs. Seems right.
Very Barry is not wrong. The Sox had already factored him as a player with plus bat control, but no power, iffy defense, and absolutely no baseball sense despite being a celebrated college star. He singlehandedly tanked his WAR in 20 with his baserunning blunders and cost the Sox a game in the ALDS vs the As. So the Sox had moved on in considering him a part of their core. Hopefully for the Cubs sake he retains his bat control. Otherwise there’s no there there. Sub 300 OPS!
Oh brother. Sox fans are the best. Everyone of you guys drooled over the guy for 2 years. Now he sucks, I get it. He’s had a rough start offensively but is putting the ball in play and defense has looked great. I’ll cut him some slack for a few weeks considering he hasn’t played for a year. Simmons comes back, nico and villar they have plenty of options up the middle.
the a’s are the main example of teams that can pull pitching depth out of thier asses at a mins notice.
The Sox don’t need a 2B. Josh Harrison looks pretty darn good. But you’re right, they might do something at the trade deadline, if necessary. But by then, they should have Giolito, Lynn, Cease, Kopech, Keuchel and Cueto with Vince Velasquez and Reynaldo Lopez as insurance.
Sox fans knew what Madrigal did well and what he struggled with. He’s a guy that’s going to put the ball in play and make contact. He’s going to get some hits. But he’ll never have a good OBP because he doesn’t walk. He has no power and isn’t likely to develop any because he’s really small. He’s also got durability issues because of his size.
Shockingly, he’s not very good defensively. That was the biggest disappointment with him and totally unexpected. He was touted as gold glove-type 2B. Not even close.
He should hit. Give him some time to get adjusted. He has an uncanny ability to make contact in any count, against anyone. But those weaknesses that he has are real, as you’ll see.
If the A’s can get more than that for Montas, good! But the Sox aren’t giving anything more than that. Btw, Crochet wouldn’t be part of any deal. He just had TJS.
@VBarry
The only place Burger can be placed to help you is at a food table. What has he ever proven? THAT is the same type of comment Sox fans have been chirping, in regards to the great Zack Collins experience. Same exact hype that all you Sox fans bought into.
And soon Sheets will find himself in that grouping.
Hype??? Burger was a highly regarded 1st round pick. He is blocked by Yoan Moncada. Burger and Oakland are a perfect match. The Burger kid is a warrior! Battled back from multiple Achilles tears. Oakland can pencil him in for 15 homers and 75 RBI’s for the next 6 years. Burger makes exactly the type of MLB money that Oakland likes to pay. Let’s get Montas done!
Dogbone it’s funny how you evaluate all these White Sox players. We can evaluate the Cubs too. What has Nick Madrigal done? What has Madrigal proven? He can’t hit home runs and right now he can’t even get a hit he’s batting
.091 just came off another 0-4 day. He’s not known for striking out and he’s been striking out so thats alarming. His defense is okay. Madrigal has had 2 major surgeries. Burger might have a better career then Madrigal. Now don’t get me wrong I’m still high on Nick Madrigal and I believe he will eventually come around but again no one knows and you clearly are one that doesn’t know much about baseball.
Dogbone may be one of the most uniformed people that comes on this site! There are times people must think his insight is either pure hatred towards the White Sox or he is just really stupid! Its sad that people like him can come on here talking nonsense rather than baseball to the business behind it. Then again, its a free country and his name “Dogbone” says a lot about him along with his low IQ.
Nick Madigral is 1 for 15 with a .067 batting average in the first four games of this young season. Madigral doesn’t have the potent line up protecting him with the Cubs like he use to have with the White Sox where he use to see good pitches to hit. FACTS!
Pretty general statement. I personally never bought into Collins but I’m bullish on Gavin Sheets
Dogbone Burger had 2 hits today that’s more then Madrigal has had all season. Will trade Burger to the Cubs but it’s gonna cost Nick Madrigal and Kyle Hendricks who just got lit up by the Pirates for 6 runs. Sounds like a pretty fair trade. Burger could be your Franchise 3rd baseman
No for Montas. Aside from his questionable durability and PED suspension, is the uneven up and down control of the split, his go-to, linked to spider tack. While he adapted and pitched well in a stretch at the end of the year, does one really rely on a guy who can be lights out or scuffle depending upon control of his out pitch? At least with Rodon, his shaky reliability in October was health related. Not sure you want to turn to Montas as one of your big 3 in October.
Montas and Triveno for Robert
Chisox378, Robert is going nowhere!
Sounds like Dogwhistletroll. The one who sets up multiple fake accounts so he can pillory Steve Stone, Sox fans and Jerry Reinsdorf in no particular order.
Pollock like Strasburg is now where he’s always been’ On the injured list. Thus earning them top spots on the ” Comeback Player of the Year” lists. That is, If they ACTUALLY managed to ever come back from an injury. If the Sox resign him, They should pay him a 25 dollar salary, Then pay him for every game he really plays.
These guys just sat around on the couch during the lockout.
You did too, so nothing to brag about
Curious if this injury to Giolito gets CWS to be more aggressive in a swap for Montas from OAK.
A third team being involved in any trade with Vaughn to Oakland. He is such a stud, the return to Chicago will be substantial. More than what Oakland can offer.
That is why Montas will never be throwing for the whitesox. Some other team will outbid Sox for Montas.
I agree. Without a third team, no deal.
I was thinking if Philly dangled Bohm, plus if that would entice Oakland. Bohm should basically be a 1B anyway.
I don’t think any White Sox fan will really care. They are 3-1 without some of their best players so you guys can keep Montas until he hits the DL
And let someone outbid them for Montas. Lest this be another James Shields moment.
Bohm sucks. He certainly would not headline any deal, at all, anywhere, at any time, ever.
@Dumpster Divin theo you did not just compare,then 33 year old James shields, out of his prime, to 29 year old Frankie Montas, a all-star pitcher, in his prime, from one of the best pitching delevopment teams in the sport… to James Shields… I cant with this guy.
That’s fine. The Sox have a short term need. Nobody is going to overpay for Montas. The guy has a history of PEDS and is very inconsistent.
Agreed. If Oakland can find a way to acquire someone like Ian Anderson, that’s someone they can flip for vaughn. but a vaughn for montas swap is not happening lol
Gunna be hilarious when the Montas-Vaughn 1-1 trade is announced.
Gunna be hilarious when the White Sox play Oakland and Vaughn hits a home run off Montas
Gonna be hilarious when Montas gets another PED or spider tack suspension
gonna be hilarious when Pollock gets injured for the rest of the season, and that Kimbrel-Madigral trade can go down as one of the worst trades since that 2018 Pirates-Rays deal.
and its gonne be hilarious when Kimbrel goes back to performing as a all-star and saves 45 games for the dodgers this season.
Gonna be hilarious when CubsWin has a dude offer him a shoulder massage at SportsClips, opens his eyes and it’s Theo Epstein.
That’s NEVER happening. Guaranteed.
Nothing will ever beat that Jimenez and Cease trade for Quintana. Your gonna watch Jimenez hit 500 plus career home runs and Cease win multiple CY awards for the White Sox.
White Sox just need Pollock healthy for the playoffs. If he hits like he did in the First game with those 3 hits no one will care how many games he’s missed during the regular season. Pollock played 1 1/2 games and he still has more hits then Madrigal
No, Giolito is only going to miss two starts.
The CWS should just hold off and cycle through the Lambert, McClure, Bilous and Finnegans and see if any of them can make a dent and keep you in the game through 4-5 innings. Montas has pitched 100 innings in a season ONCE, lets stop with the big prospect haul requests.
This and a recent scouting report detailing his off and on dominance/control linked to his ability to throw the split. In a post spider tack world, questionable whether his good runs are sustainable in the long run, or in the playoffs.
dear goodness everyone, I know Montas is a good young pitcher, but you’re not getting guys like Vaughn or Anderson for him. those guys are younger and more controllable.
You understand trades aren’t made based on value, right?
But they have to be somewhat reasonable and the value has to somewhat close. Oakland is not getting a good, young and controllable MLB player for Frankie Montas. That’s just not happening. The A’s will likely get some prospects.
But they have to be somewhat reasonable and the value has to somewhat close.
Your “window for contention “ is closing rapidly. Plus Giolito wants no part of reupping with this scam organization.
Dogbone you should do your homework on the White Sox roster and their contracts cause you clearly are missing some brain cells if you think their window for contention is closing. You sound really salty.
When was 29 years old considered a “young pitcher”? Maybe if Montas was 25 years old with no PED suspension and with a season where he pitched over 200 innings then talks for him involving Vaughn would be going on!
Why stop the signings with Cuteo? Smardjzja is available from the list of overpaid bad former giants.
not to mention
Jonathan Lucroy
Wilson Ramos
Adam Eaton
Dexter Fowler
Brett Gardner,
Pablo Sandoval
Jake Arrieta
Matt Harvey
Julio Teheran
Cole Hamels
Dellin Betances
Greg Holland
Shelby Miller
just a little tidbit, can’t believe it already been 7 years, in 2015 all these guys were pretty amazing players, and they’ve all fallen so far.
This is what happens when you trade for a 34 yr old injury prone CF to start in RF. So sick of these mediocre roster moves year after year from the White Sox. Either get serious about contending or sell the damn team!
Pollock was going to miss time since his wife was having another baby.
Andrew Vaughn moves one step closer to moving back to the Bay.
Which, karmically, is fair for trading Olson to his hometown.
Athletics’ fans are doing some mind altering drugs to think Vaughn is going to be traded to them.
Sure, they could pick up Vaughn. Who else will the As pony up? Jefferies? Puk?
Pollock was scheduled to take time off anyway because his wife is having a baby. Sox will take the time to get him healthy but with Vaughn hitting he won’t be missed.
Seriously? I like Vaughn a lot, but do you seriously think he’s an everyday starting RF? He should DH until the Sox are prepared to give him the starting 1B role, where he belongs.
Chisozcity, the starting 1B role might be sooner than you think. Sox have always erred on the side of being a year early in phasing in their successor. The way Konerko first time shared 1b and then pushed Frank to DH. And then picking up Jose to succeed Paulie. See Andrew as the everyday 1b and Jose renewed to be more of a DH and continued mentor for the next wave of kids.
He’s already shown he can play a passable LF and RF. The guy’s just a good all around baseball player. He’s actually pretty decent at 3B and 2B, too. And of course he can really hit.
Dodgers FO always seem to know what they’re doing.
their scouting is great and the amount of $ they have allows them to hide their mistakes pretty well
e.g. they’re still paying Trevor Bauer
You seem to be insinuating that Bauer was a mistake. How so? He was, probably still is, one of the best pitchers in baseball.
How good is he if he’s suspended for most of the contract?
Sticky stuff savant, nothing more. Just like Kluber, Bieber, Carrasco, Clevinger….
Well the jury is still out on Bieber, but you get the point.
Well, when a guy doesn’t pitch for you, it’s clearly not a good move, wouldn’t you say?
^I wouldn’t be hitching your wagon to Kimbrel just yet and claiming victory. Kimbrel implodes during the big game and especially the playoffs…
Pollock’s wife is having another child so this gives him time to spend with her.
Pollock’s wife is having another kid because he’s home way more than he’s ever been on the field. She’ll probably start wearing a chastity belt. So Chi Sox, you’re saying Bauer wasn’t a mistake? He might be a great P but it really doesn’t matter does it because he’s stupid. He almost cuts his hand off with a drone before the Series against the Cubs. He’s been suspended for most of last year and so far this one. If he never pitches, How good is he really? I bet if you ask the Dodgers if they could just let him walk with no pay, They’d jump like a Junkyard Dog on a T-Bone.
Ok, fair enough. He’s a loud mouth weirdo. The question remains, how was signing him a mistake? These guys are world class athletes, which means most of them are probably jerks. Aside from that, no front office is going to predict his off the field issues. As the cliche goes, hindsight is always 20-20
@chisox That’s a very fair take. You can’t know what’s going to happen with any of these guys. Most of them have huge egos and the potential for off the field trouble. Only a bad signing in hindsight.
But with the hindsight that we have and how he’s making 37M a year, it turned out pretty bad! It’s only right that the Dodgers should be able to get out of paying some (if not all) of that.
Pollack’s first child was born around three months premature!
Sox right handed hitters had trouble today with a 23 year old rookie with a curveball that wickedly tails away. Most the hits were by lefties. Maguire looked good. Eloy a liability in left on a foul line popup yet can beat out a dp relay throw, go figure. He’s not that dangerous yet at bat.
Brash comes highly touted tho.
Let’s trade for him.then. He had great stuff!
Brash is no Frankie Montas!
Brash is 23, Montas is 29 you are right Montas is an old fart already.
That kid was pretty darn good. He throws upper 90s and has a ridiculous slider. There are going to a lot of hitters, righties and lefties, who have tough days against him. Very impressive.
I dunno I see lots of ‘great pitchers’ that face the Sox, and then they face the rest of the league and playoff caliber teams that eat the pitcher’s lunch… Doing well against the Sox is no barometer. The Sox have a bad habit of making pedestrian pitchers look amazing. Now is this kid good? We will see in his next starts, but at least the Sox managed to get a couple of key hits to win.
You obviously didn’t see the game. Brash is going to be really good. His stuff is electric. Very impressive young pitcher.
Btw, this White Sox team is among the best hitting clubs in baseball.
Other than that, good points. LOL.
I watched the game, but I do not make assumptions on one game played. Again, the Sox have had a history of young inexperienced pitchers owning them only to watch the rest of the league destroy them (or at least make them look like an average pitcher). Again, the Sox have a history of their hitters not showing up when they need to (look no further than the playoffs last year, and their abysmal record against over .500 teams all of last season)….
Now, the barometer is looking up as the Sox have managed to eke out some key hits and wins against teams that they should be beating if they really are a contender team, especially against teams the Rays but I want to see more data, that’s all.. I have been a fan for far too long to be fooled by fools gold.
Lets also see Brash win some games against other teams (and dominate another ‘best hitting club’ like the Sox) before anointing him a Cy Young winner because he held the Sox to 2 ERs, shall we?
So we will see, but a weeks worth of games (let alone the one you are basing your pitching comments off of) is not enough to make statements like yours…
It’s going to be ok. If Gio missing a few starts and Pollock missing a few weeks, in April, prevent us from winning the WS, then this team never had a shot. Let’s see if a few prospects can improve their stock by July.
Rest em up, give the other guys some work.
I think the bigger question is how the Sox conditioning staff keeps their jobs? Sure you have injuries you cannot account for (like knee, elbow, shoulder, injuries etc), but soft tissue issues, like lats, abs, and hamstrings?
C’mon, that’s all conditioning (or lack thereof) especially Moncada, that guy is a walking soft tissue injury but yet still gets injured, I just think that if ol’ Herm Schneider’ (AKA Dr. Pain) was around (or a guy like him) you would not see much of this nonsense.