A Columbus woman has come forward with assault allegations against Dodgers pitcher Trevor Bauer. Speaking with Gus Garcia-Roberts of the Washington Post, the woman claimed that Bauer had assaulted her during sex on multiple occasions between 2013-14. Further details can be found in the source article; readers are warned that the article contains disturbing allegations. Bauer’s representatives declined to be interviewed by the Post, although he did “unequivocally (deny)” the woman’s allegations as part of a statement. Bauer responded to the Washington Post article in a Twitter post this evening.
The Columbus woman becomes the third person to bring forth assault allegations against Bauer. Last year, a California woman filed for a temporary ex parte restraining order against him after claiming he had assaulted her during sex. A Los Angeles County Superior Court judge denied her request for a permanent restraining order, and the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s Office announced in February it would not pursue criminal charges. “After a thorough review of the available evidence, including the civil restraining order proceedings, witness statements and the physical evidence, the People are unable to prove the relevant charges beyond a reasonable doubt,” the DA’s Office stated at the time.
The Washington Post reported last August that an Ohio woman — not the same woman of today’s report — had filed for and was granted an ex parte temporary civil stalking protection order against Bauer in June 2020. That woman alleged that Bauer had struck her “without her consent during sex in 2018,” in the words of the Post.
While the Columbus woman’s allegations are being publicly reported for the first time, her attorney tells Garcia-Roberts she cooperated with Major League Baseball during its recent investigation. (Garcia-Roberts adds that the Ohio woman who had received an ex parte restraining order against Bauer in 2020 also cooperated with MLB investigators, according to her attorney). This afternoon, MLB handed down a 324-game suspension after determining that Bauer violated the league’s and MLBPA’s Joint Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy.
Bauer announced plans to appeal that suspension, and the Columbus woman tells Garcia-Roberts she is willing to testify at an arbitration hearing during the appeals process. MLB declined comment to the Post and said during its announcement of Bauer’s suspension this afternoon it would “not issue any further statements at this point in time.”
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something something vindicated
I wonder how much telling on UCLA (or wherever Bauer, Cole played) other pitchers (currently playing players) and constantly criticizing mlb had to do with all this. Not to mention the woman (one at least) was in a relationship with padres players. They’re hoojers. Bought and paid to take out the best pitcher on the best team in their same division. I don’t doubt the guy has kinks. I don’t doubt an assault could be what happened. In bed we have different rules, if a woman decides to help a man could he charge her for assault, I think you’ll be able to guess how or vice versa?
I meant to add I think MLB has a problem with as high a profile player as he is having such an online presence. Especially (I haven’t watched them, but have seen a tic and seen news with clips from him) since he isn’t super scared to criticize and narc players/MLB out. I’d like to also add I’m not saying all are lying (and haven’t followed the tabloids) or all are hoojers but as soon as that much money is involved and one or two who thought he didn’t hold back like a normal person would (on the slap or hit) plus hearing he may have gone as far or further with another most women would feel obligated to get involved.
Bjupton, I think you should seek therapy my dude
Think?
… and COMMENTS CLOSED.
haha
Comments like this is why they normally don’t allow comments on these kinds of articles.
So because a person’s opinion you don’t agree with, they have to shut down all comments lol. People really are ridiculous now a days in so many ways.
I’d have to agree with you. People need to get thicker skin. I find it interesting that these ladies supposedly got beat down in bed by Bauer, yet they continued to have sexual relations with him repeatedly. It reminds me of the girl that blamed the Naval Academy QB for raping her, yet she was so traumatized she went and had sex with her boyfriend later that night. Makes no sense to the normal individual. Bauer isn’t a saint, however he’s also getting the “treatment from MLB” for his outspokenness.
FFS, dude.
[Kobe Bryant’s accuser has entered the chat]
Like trump got treatment lol
Ghost of Ben, I hope it made you feel good to slide some stupid political comment in since you obviously have nothing else to bring to the table.
That was a long winded red flag if there ever was one. Get help. Take the tin foil off. Stay away from women.
which one?
Given the length of suspension handed down by MLB I have to believe they had more information than what we knew publicly
Given how weird this story has been, I don’t think Trever Bauer is a real person anymore.
Jawinks- I think you may be onto something
Agree. That is one lengthy suspension. Only way this makes sense is they have a lot more on Bauer than we know about.
Then why wouldn’t It have been in court?
I wonder if Pete Rose is betting on Bauer getting convicted?
twiker – She’s coming forward only now, so no it wouldn’t.
separate cases
I’d take that bet.
Pete says “I’ll see that bet and raise you the HOF”
@jawinks think the reason it wasn’t in court criminally was the evidence didn’t prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, but they have the preponderance of evidence. perfect example of this is the oj simpson case got off criminally but lost all his money in a civil suit. sometime tells me mlb has enough evidence to burn trevor in a civil case also doesn’t help help that he’s a giant ahole and most people don’t like him on whatever team he plays on (at least from what i have seen)
So your excluding the possibility that Manfred is being Manfred and just doing something to help himself and the Dodgers look good
So you’re excluding the possibility that the commissioner knows more about this than you do, and acted on it? What other conspiracy theories help get you through the day?
@BlueSkiesLA. Prove it. Possibilities, assumptions, assertions, inferences…..
Prove what, that the commissioner investigated before taking action? That he knows more about this than anyone in the public is likely to know?
Isn’t that like the tenth level of absurdity?
@BlueskiesLA I guess we’re about to find out about your assumptions if the matter proceeds to court.
I also assume the sun rises in the east, but I suppose we’ll find out about that in the morning.
BTW, we should know the matter will end up in court. This is the other reason we should know MLB hasn’t proceeded willy-nilly, as many are convinced they did, for no logical or factual reasons.
I’ll have you know that my extensive research into this topic, including one or two hits on a Google search along with personal feelings that may or may not be related to the issue, allowed me to see things the MLB has obviously overlooked. /s
I can report that the sun did rise in the east again this morning. They want us to believe this happens every day, but I’m never taking their word for it, so I’m going to do my own research.
Yes, because if the commissioner had information more than what we new, prosecutors most likely would have gone forth with charges. I don’t see what information Manfred could have that would warrant a 2 year suspensikk on n, and yet not be enough to at least attempt a prosecution.
I come from the future and Trevor Bauer dindu nuffin.
Or they plan on it being cut in half on appeal
There was a report that the Dodgers wanted out from his contract. And we’re looking for a legal way not to pay him. The only way, that could happen, is if he was suspended, the length of the remainder of the contract. The Dodgers got exactly what they wanted.
Funny how the dodgers always seem to get what they want.
Here is a question: how do the Dodgers get back the last four months they paid him while he was on leave? Insurance?
If it wasn’t insured then they don’t
Insurance is generally for injury, not leave of absences. I doubt they could collect for this.
Strictly speaking you can take out insurance against anything as long as someone, somewhere is willing to sell it to you.
Signing Bauer does seem to be a glaring example of how the Dodgers FO isn’t always as shrewd as they usually seem. If they did more thorough vetting (maybe that would have been excessive), they may have sought an insurance coverage or terms in his contract regarding off-field conduct. The latter might be prohibited under terms in the CBA.
Hindsight being 20/20 and similar caveats to my line of thinking.
People have been suggesting that the Dodgers would be able to get out of the contract (the part he wasn’t suspended for) based on some morals clause that is in the language of all MLB contracts. But then they go into hiding when you mention that no player has had his contract voided/pay withheld based on that clause since the current policy was put in place. And it hasn’t been for lack of opportunity.
Your statement is entirely wrong. Not only have the domestic violence/ sexual assault suspensions clipped many a player’s check so have the drug suspensions. The Mets got a gift when Cano got caught and didn’t have to pay his absurd salary during his suspension.
He was getting paid up until this came down. He banked something like $38m last year and however much 20-ish games (1/8th) of his contract comes out as.
I mean, obvs the Dodgers were advocating for this behind the scenes as their whole organization hates him – completely understandable – and doesn’t want him in their clubhouse again. Not a Dodgers fan but live out here so all the Dodgers news is pretty unavoidable.
Addison Russell’s situation comes to mind and he didn’t appeal his suspension.
How do you know they didn’t or if that is a standard clause in the existing contract structure?
@smacky
Your post is the one that is entirely wrong. Harambe is referring to voiding a contract due to morals. Cano still has his contract and is still getting paid. Being suspended is quite different from having a contract voided. I can’t think of a single.case where the players contract was voided due to off field conduct.
Yeah. I wasn’t referring to suspensions. Tons of players have been suspended But once the suspension has been served the commissioner’s office considers the matter closed and his team is on the hook for the remainder of his contract.
What I do know is that the Dodger players do not want him back as a teammate. I believe Bauer’s baseball career is over. He should seek some psychological therapy.
Seeking help starts with the recognition that you need it. Lots of people never get to that first step. This is what we are seeing here.
Getting paid on it….mmmm…that is a different conversation…ask all the NOLA peeps after Katrina. “Storm surge”, claim denied. Next!
And why shouldn’t they? The man is
A psycho. Not one teammate has come to
His defense. There are Multiple reports no teammate wants him back. Of course the Dodgers want out of contract. Wouldn’t you?
They don’t. Period. That money is gone. That’s the dodgers payment for not paying the rest of his contract.
Agreed.
I always try to remember we do t know what we don’t know. That could be information that helps or hurts Bauer.
But like you, the length of the suspension makes me think it’s not good.
MLB has more info than a DA? Sure. This is a vendetta suspension. Who has ever received a 300 game suspension other than lifetime bans?
It’s 423 games including the 99 he’s missed
@twiker He was paid for those tho
Obviously MLB doesn’t have more evidence. But what MLB decided is tantamount to a decision in a civil case in court, versus a criminal case, which is what the DA would have to prove to a jury. There is plenty of criminals behavior
I understand they don’t need the burden of proof that a criminal court does but a 324 game suspension on top of what he missed last season is ludicrous. Bauer is no worse than Chapman, Ozuna, Osuna, Dyson.
Not defending any of them but Bauer appears to be a pattern with multiple women.
Exactly before this broke there were a couple Jays fans on here pushing to sign Bauer . I said after his weekend online stalking a coed any team to sign him are dealing with a headcase.
The suspension length looks to be based on multiple offences where as the other players were single offences.
You have no idea whether Bauer is no worse than those others. Neither you nor I have seen the evidence on any of them.
It doesn’t take a genius to see that, with the evidence MLB had, they imposed what they believed was appropriate. To think otherwise is to convince yourself of some wacky conspiracy theory.
It also seems logical, because of the large suspension, that the videos must have been unduly gruesome. And as far as I know there were no tapes of the others.
The last woman returned to do it again, not to mentioned there is an email or text asking him to do things to her.
Conspiracy theory or spoiler alert?
There should be standard consequences, set by precedent so politics don’t taint the process..
Who cares? His behavior is still disgusting. Id never wanna work next to this creep.
@Cosmo2 Do you ask all your workmates or friends what’s going on in their private lives, and what they did on the weekend, and then make moral judgements upon them about their rights and wrongs in life? Oh look, it’s ‘God from the cosmos’ appearing on MLBTR. Indeed.
He physically injures women for the purpose of sexual gratification. You can minimize things, pretend it’s a gray area, it’s not. His behavior is EXTREME. Things can get taken too far. Again, he injures women for pleasure. Not ok. Not ok.
Bauer is worse than Chapman. I’m not knowledgeable about the others but would be surprised if he wasn’t worse than them too.
Missed but got
Paid.
A DA needs sufficient evidence to file charges and convince a jury to convict. MLB does not operate under a court of law and does not need evidence beyond reasonable doubt. Big difference. I have no dog in this fight.
Also, the Pasadena DA is looking at allegations within their jurisdiction, not in Ohio. The alleged behavior in Ohio would likely not be admissible in a Pasadena criminal case.
Not about having MORE information. It’s about what evidence a DA has thatcthey can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed. Very hard for a woman to prove legally that an assault happened.
Good thing mlb isn’t held to the same legal standards that a DA is.
“Third Woman Brings Forth Assault Allegations Against Trevor Bauer”
So were there 3 or 4 assaults?
Curly – May the fourth be brought forth to you.
And if you drank a fifth-you might want to plead the fifth.
By your standard of am MMA fighter loses they can bring charges against their opponent. Or boxers.
If your MMA friend was a creepy stalker sociopathic perv than yeah
If the MMA fighter put a fist up his opponent’s tailpipe, then yes.
DA only really had the purview to be looking at the one case in CA, but anyways.
Amk1920 the DA has the burden of proving what they believe to be true beyond a reasonable doubt in court, MLB (and MLBPA) do not. They have the autonomy to simply say, “we see a massive mound of circumstantial evidence that demonstrates a pattern of behavior that clearly violates the CBA, precedents set by a lack of appeals in these instances (see Addison Russell) make us confident that a lengthy suspension is appropriate and will be upheld.” The comparison to a court of law that keeps popping is immaterial. You might feel that the burden of proof for suspension from MLB should be more similar to that of a court of law but the reality is that it isn’t and hasn’t been.
The DA only cares if they can get a conviction. A DA choosing not to prosecute has nothing to do guilt/innocence, they only care if there is an easy court case. DA’s don’t take cases they could lose. Its laughable you think there is a correlation between what a DA will prosecute and what MLB can suspend someone for. You must be like Bauer and enjoy beating women to orgasm is why you think this is a vendetta suspension.
The DA only has authority in his jurisdiction. It’s entirely possible (actually very likely) that MLB has spent more time and money on it’s investigation than the DA was willing or able to.
jawinks: He violated the MLB domestic violence policy by doing a creepy thing multiple times and embarrassing MLB. I’m sure his appeal will include the 50 Shades of Grey defense. I haven’t read the policy but an arbitration specialist will have to go by the policy parameters.
I will bet MLB’s suspension length covers the remaining years of his contract because MLB is so grossed out by his shenanigans they want him gone. The fact that reportedly “some” Blue Jay’s fans (knowing America, there’s probably more fans from other teams pining for the same) want the team to sign him is a sad statement on the state of our current society.
He should have followed Frank Sinatras dictum: “Always take care of your girls.” Apparently, Mr. B only takes care of himself.
I myself find his career pattern of behavior in personal relationships troubling…..
Are the Blue Jays an American team with American fans? I think not.
Well they do have lots of American fans, like me. And they’re in the Americas if one wants to be intentionally obtuse.
Does his suspension mean that his salary no longer counts towards the luxury tax?
MLB had a ton on the Astros and zero suspensions were handed out to any players. Zero. The Astros scandal challenged the integrity of the sport, more so than at any time since the black Sox scandal. MLB is actually so worried about sign stealing it hired a company of magicians to create a wireless armband to relay signs directly to the pitcher.
Bauer nothing happened other than two consenting adults. A female leftist judge said there was no need for a restraining order and the District Attorney said there was no evidence to prove any criminal charges.
Yet MLB gives him a 2.5 season suspension? Hector Olivera convicted for battery of his girlfriend suspended 82 games
Jose Torres convicted of brandishing and pointing a gun at his wife suspended 82 games
Trevor Bauer no need to have a restraining order, no evidence to have a criminal trial suspended 2 and half years?
Well then seeing how you seem to know the complete story maybe Bauer will share some of the 500m with you when he successful sues MLB for a ruined career and reputation.
If a submissive female agreed to meet a Dom and things went to far do you have any idea how hard it would be to prove in court? The Defense team would stack the jury with bible pushing holy rollers who would think ” oh she liked being spanked and choked so she must have wanted to be punched as well ”
The fact many on here think MLB would hand out this suspension after a year of investigation, after the labor strive, after all the lost revenue the past 2 years to a guy who is innocent of any wrongdoing is truly astounding.
Any rational innocent person with the means to hire a top notch legal team would not have waited until now to “sue” . They would have been determined to clear their name and restore their reputation.
Bauer is this you? Stop posting here and behave, you freak
@talk.some sense
Bauer had to wait for the decisions to come down before he could take any action. Until the DA announced their decision not to pursue the case, what could he do? If he wishes to sue her for defamation, everything again getS put before the court, and the public, and the previous situations in Ohio may be used as evidence of prior behavior. is it even possible to get the damages he would want from this person? $100 per week garnishment until the $70MM is paid off? Gee, can’t understand why he would wait on pursuing action against her. Plus I believe he would find himself in the same position as the DA, with a case he’s not likely to win.
How about clearing his name? Waiting a full year for that?? Any rational person who was free of wrong doing would want their name cleared ASAP. they would have their legal team pushing MLB to make a more timely decision. Looks at this guys past behavior, the warning signs were all there. Defies logic that so many on here are so quick to come to this guys defense. Kindred spirits maybe- birds of a feather and such.
What was your first clue? Honestly, how could anyone in the general public imagine that they have more information about this than the commissioner? How can they imagine that they know more about labor law than a labor lawyer? Seems impossible but one of those things happens in about every other comment.
The details the Ohio woman shares in the Washington Post article are stomach-churning. If you can stand reading it, you’ll get some sense of what the commissioner likely found in his investigation. But be forewarned, it is not easy to get through.
No doubt you are correct. MLB would not go for two year penalty without an extremely well-researched and documented case.
I wonder what the motive here is to drop this news right after the suspension was announced.
EDIT: I’m asking about the person making the allegations, not MLBTR
Oh yes. I’m sure she is going to read your comment.
Don’t be a smart alek
Probably to give some credence to the very long suspension. We don’t have the facts, so can’t say whether or not that its warented though
It’s smart to announce on your own terms, since it would get out anyway.
Why is the motive of the person accusing always the first thing on a lot of people’s minds? Do you think her life will improve in any way by making this accusation?
I think some people view it as a cash move. They bring up civil charges on a very wealthy man and it’s a big payday. Additionally remember these women’s names are generally kept out of the media.
I am not saying that’s the case, but that is the thinking
Women’s motives are questioned because of misogyny. There is a false narrative out there that women lie about sexual assaults. There is no evidence of this while there is plenty to support the idea that sexual assault is underreported because of fear of retribution by the perpetrator, horrible treatment by the police and justice system–L&O: SVU is fiction–and a long history of victim shaming by society at large. Believe victims. Believe women.
Believe men, they are victims too. Kudos for the misandry though
Or believe evidence?? There is evidence of sexting from HER to him over YEARS, asking for sex as they experienced it. Requests for rough sex, explicit videos, etc. this isn’t assault… it’s a fetish for rough sex between both consenting adult parties. As well as with the other accusers.
“There is a false narrative out there that women lie about sexual assaults.”
Katelyn Faber, Amber Heard, Wanetta Gibson, Crystal Mangum, Jackie Coakley, Brenna Harmon, Nikki Yovino and Alexa Romano all say hi.
@marc Women are abused. They can also lie. A woman I dated once stole from me, and when I attempted to get the money back, she said she would to go to the police and tell them I threatened her. When men assault women, you can put them in jail. But make sure that’s the truth first. Just because someone claims they are a victim does not make them honest. Women can lie, and some will do just about anything if they think they can get money out of it. Let the evidence decide as in all things. To make some blanket statement like “believe women” is ridiculous, and does not acknowledge that there are deceitful and manipulative ones out there as well. Men can be awful pigs but let’s not pretend that ALL women are pristine and innocent, white as snow. Some women can be awful. Men can be victims of false accusation which can have very unfair and unjust consequences.
Coincidentally, a significant number of reported sexual crimes are false.
Interestingly, a large number of actual sexual crimes go unreported altogether.
It’s very, very odd indeed when considering statistics of reported sexual crimes & sexual crime victims. It’s actually unpredictable, which is also why the issue is so contentious.
Believe the evidence.
Believe all women except Tara Reade apparently.
No evidence? Google the Brian Burns case, then come back and tell us that women don’t lie. I’ve never heard such foolish nonsense.
Yes, Bart, of course; but when the “evidence” is one word against another with two otherwise consenting adults the only “evidence” that exists is circumstantial at best. I’m not suggesting that’s all there is here because there could be more we don’t know, but there was certainly not enough to bring the case before a jury. That’s concerning because it demonstrates a lack of tangible evidence, even if the criminal case is not inextricably linked to the workplace policy violation.
Evidence in sex crimes stems from one main area: the acts involved in the sexual intercourse. When that act is consensual (intercourse, generally) it becomes nearly impossible to prove anything criminal moving forward because the “evidence” becomes part of the admitted legal, consensual act. Therefore, being able to prove sex happened accomplishes nothing because it’s already known that sex happened.
@Marcfrombrooklyn You might want to read feminist icon Hanna Rosin’s 2014 article, “When Men Are R*ped… Women Are Often the Perpetrators,” perpetrating r*ape and s*xual assault at 2/3 the rate men do against women. Add in our loathsome prison system, the largest in the world, where the prevalence of r*pe and s*xual assault is 70 times that in the U.S. population at large, and there are at least as many male victims as female victims. Dr. Lara Stemple’s article in Scientific American in 2017 fully supports Rosin’s research.
In addition, every DHHS Child Maltreatment Report shows mothers acting alone to be the primary perpetrators of child abuse, and every National Crime Victimization Survey (the largest of its kind in the world) shows both that women instigate the majority of domestic violence, and that a man hitting a woman who doesn’t hit back is in fact the least common form of domestic violence.
Anyone claiming to stand up for victims of violence really should acquaint themselves with these texts.
I highly doubt she called the paper right after tue suspension was announced. The paper would vet her story before running with it. More likely MLB knew a story was about to be broken so they announced the suspension
You can ask The Washington Post editors. Stories often get held up for timing purposes.
It seems like a good time to reveal it. The issue is current again, which makes it both increased public interest and less consequential for her personally. Maybe she doesn’t want to sacrifice her sanity or privacy for revenge or personal gain and is just taking the easiest opportunity to corroborate the other women’s stories. You ever get punched during sex?
Even if consensual, who gets off on hurting women?
I really hope it’s not all that common.
What ever happened to being a gentleman…
@The Baseball Fan (Doesn’t like the Cubs)
Are you on Earth?
:What ever happened to being a gentleman…”????
Do you think all women are ladies and lady like?
Again, are you on Earth, or don’t you go out anywhere these days?
Apparently a certain pitcher.
I generally avoid passing judgment on bedroom activity but when violence is involved that’s impossible to do.
50 Shades of Grey remember? Those books were very popular. Ugh, some people are, um, not well…..
Fun fact, that book started as Twilight fanfiction erotica and evolved into its own thing.
Yes, and more disturbingly, the series was most popular among…you guessed it! Women.
I would never dismiss a woman’s claim of assault 8 years later or whatever. But, I also wouldn’t condemn a very, very wealthy star based on claims either because, well, people lie & will do anything for money. I’ve seen outrageous claims made which would seem very genuine & seemingly without motive only to watch video disproving the entire incident and exonerating the suspect(s).
People are nuts….
Where are they getting this $?
It’s a little late for him to pay for their silence!
Clip – Right you are! Innocent until proven guilty or something like that.
I think people are more greedy than nuts.
If Bauer wasn’t rich and famous, would there have been “multiple” incidents?
I don’t know about anyone else, but if something happens to me that I really don’t like … I sure as heck won’t allow it to happen again.
Ppalma: it’s in the settlement which comes with a NDA. Just because they weren’t silent in the beginning has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the resulting payment to keep it out of litigation for a variety of reasons; the top three being:
1) Crazy, unpredictable jury rulings
2) More bad publicity & legal expenses
3) The benefit of less costs to the Respondent while getting an NDA signed so no “new” info can come out via a book or interviews or something in the future.
@yc you make a valid point but here is where i stand. let’s say trevor has done no wrong and the women he got with like that kind of bedroom stuff. (i want to clarify i’m not saying trevor is innocent or guilty i’m using a hypothetical here) for someone in trevor’s pos being a top player in the mlb and being outspoken your life is under the microscope and he needs to realize that. now i’m not saying that type of bedroom stuff isn’t okay it’s not my cup of tea, but it’s also not the norm and there are a lot of people that look at it in a bad light. long and short of it is if that type of stuff is the only way to feel gratification then you need to find a partner that is into that stuff and be in a committed relationship not just picking women up at bars or tinder. now i’m not saying any of these women have a case but at the same time your a high profile athlete that makes the money most of us dream of and there are a lot of people out there that want to find a reason to get a chunk of that.
A very sick person, that’s who. The penitentiary is full of sickos like him
@Halo.
Apparently there is a whole niche for S&M and BDSM activities that people get off on. Bauer and his sex partners are in that demographic.
No need to kink shame
This just keeps getting better! Safe to say his career just experienced a Bauer outage.
PRICELESS!!!
That’s what Cleveland fans said when he got lit up on the mound.
Ugh, Hank Bauer is one of my favorites, let’s not let this jerk dirty the name
Nice word play
Badda Bing!
@books
That could be the title of your ‘tell all’ book “#Bauer Outage”
Witch hunt
Is that why he hits them? I’ve heard no reports of him checking to see if they float first.
People continue to complicate this matter. If they weigh the same as a duck then they are a witch. No need to check whether they float or not. That’s just a byproduct of the weight thing. So sayeth Arthur, King of the Brits.
@Flythe W1616: Always love Monty Python references. Nice!
Terrible when folks get disgruntled about violence against women, I know. Bauer can go rot.
@Cosmo2
I am not defending Bauer for one moment. However, it’s “terrible when folks get disgruntled” about what the facts of the matter are. The fact is that these women ‘agreed’ to participate in a rough violent sex game. To call it “violence against women” when there are two consenting adults involved is just pure lies and dishonesty. Furthermore, neither you or all the MLBTR detectives on this site knows what actually happened behind closed doors, unless you have video and audio of the incident/s.
Whether Bauer’s character is poor or not, is not for you or any other person on this site or outside of it to judge
Fred
You privy to all the evidence? All indications are that Bauer went beyond agreed upon limits, something you seem to ignore . Obviously after a full year of investigation and knowing they will face litigation from Bauer’s side they (MLB) felt comfortable handing out the 2 yr suspension. Just because the first case never went to trial does not mean Bauer did nothing wrong.
You consistently bring up the lack of video evidence – so in your world any woman claiming sexual assault in the future had better stop her Assailant during the act and ask him to record a POV video and forward a copy to her for her records.
Your arguments and comments are totally lacking in logic or even basic common sense. You say you are not defending Bauer then you turn around an defend Bauer. Good grief the hypocrisy knows no end.
@Talksomesense
You have no sense. You just asserted that I have consistently brought up lack of video evidence. You’re either lost in all of the comments, your attention to detail is lacking, or your comprehension isn’t too good. It’s more than likely all of the aforementioned items.
Furthermore, do not verbal me, that’s the modus operandi of you type of people these days, “so in your world any woman claiming sexual assault” etc etc. No, as a matter of fact in my world I go by facts that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt, unlike your world.
Last but not least, you’re not too sharp. When you provide facts that can be proven then I might agree with your point of view, until then you’re just another hot mouthed balloon blowing bag of wind. To prove that someone did something wrong you need facts, you possess none of those.
I do agree, your hypocrisy knows no bounds, and you are lacking any modicum of logic in the statements you have made in respect of this matter.
You are completely overlooking the facts that MLB have access to that neither you or I do not. No rational person would think MLB would risk losing a lawsuit in the 100’s of millions by suspending Bauer without just cause. Suggest you go read up on Bauer’s harassments of a coed on twitter a few years ago, the fact 3 women have now came forward. Those are all facts that you want to turn a blind eye too. I said when he was a free agent that he was a ticking time bomb, all the warning signs were there for anyone who cared to look, But hey you keep defending the misogynistic ego-centric child man , it’s a good look for you.
TalkSomeSense, from ESPN, referring to the restraining order hearing:
The judge said the “injuries as shown in the photographs are terrible,” but added: “If she set limits and he exceeded them, this case would’ve been clear. But she set limits without considering all the consequences, and respondent did not exceed limits that the petitioner set.”
The judge doesn’t believe he went beyond the agreed upon limits.
@Talksomenonsense
Once again you’re incorrect. If only you’d lived in the days of the guillotine, there would have been an ideal job for you.
You have no idea what information MLB “has access to” and what you are calling and asserting & assuming as “facts”. You are completely unaware of the meaning & comprehension of the word fact. I certainly do not proclaim to know what’s occurred between Bauer and the woman in a private situation, but you think MLB does, but because you ‘think’ you’re logical, you actually believe that MLB are holding all these aces and a smoking gun up their sleeve and they will present same at some later time presumably. The difference between you and I is that I don’t presume to know, you are presumptuous. I rely on facts, you rely on presumptions and assumptions.
Last but not least, you keep inferring I am defending Bauer, that’s the tactics of you leftists. You cannot besmirch my character. The other thing is that people lie these days all the time.
In order for all of this to have happened, do you think the woman was some principled unassuming type of person? Bauer trawled around to get someone that would agree to ‘the kinky unusual game’ they played, which she agreed to. Whether he did or didn’t go too far whilst they were together in a private room, you don’t know, and neither do I.
I don’t presume to know what happened, you do, and you presume Manfred does-that’s your presumption, not a fact, that’s the difference.
You can talk about all of Bauer’s alleged ‘indiscretions’, his alleged character faults, women coming out of the woodwork to say “me too”. etc. None of these things make him guilty of any crime like you ‘think’ it does in that small mind of yours which is incapable of lateral thinking.
Wouldn’t this be better since the administrative leave is with pay?
Who believes this is the last one? What if he loses control one time and the woman ends up dead? Pretty sure the owners have been considering this for a long time.
He seems disturbed but the Dodgers should not be off the hook for the money. I’m sure they did background work on him before signing him.
Did they seriously put a trigger warning on this post?
On the post article because it goes in to detail about what happened. And there should absolutely be a warning since there are survivors out there that can’t read that stuff. They can just read the fluff piece on this site.
Oh, so a woman who had not come forth publicly cooperated with MLB’s investigation? How did MLB find her if she had not gone public? This all reeks of a frame job. This whole thing is about one thing and one thing only: Bauer consistently (and rationally) calling out the woke/weak Commissioner for being a HORRIBLE custodian of the game.
Manfred works for the owners. He didn’t make this decision. At most, he made a recommendation. The owners are looking out for their own interests.
Terrible take
Because believing everything that is said without evidence is the right take.
and here come the conspiracy crowd.
Where would you like victims to post evidence before cooporating with investigations? Twitter? Reddit? Send you an email?
It would be great if you could clear that up. They really need your approval.
Or her attorney contacted MLB on her behalf. This is why most women don’t come forward, Most of you won’t believe us & even if you do I’m sure you’d look for a reason to place blame on the women.
@georgedemas manfred might be a horrible comish but i’m sure he is at least smart enough to do his due diligence and investigated this throughly especially know the repercussions that would ensue. also a lot of victims of sexual assaults regardless of the degree don’t want to let it be know or talk about and they probably made an agreement with the mlb that there statements will stay out of the media and only be used in only a legal precedent. if what these women are saying is true last thing they want is for the world to know that they were a victim.
btw i only used “of what these women are saying is true” is because i don’t have the info that the da or mlb has and any theories i have are just that.
He’s a bad person, his actions are unjustifiable. That’s it.
She was assaulted on “multiple occasions” at what point do you stop talking to the dude if he in fact is assaulting them. Some women get off on the stuff he does to them or they wouldn’t go back for more right? Some women like the “rough sex” at the end of the day, doyers don’t want him anymore. They are one of the biggest spending teams in the league. I’m sure they asked mlb to make him not able to play to help them. At the end of the day it’s a business.
It’s a matter of degree. Certainly some of the women he had consensual sex with do seem to like the rough element. But these allegations have all the markings of him going too far in that regard on multiple occasions.
Multiple occasions where they made the decision to engage in the act. If it was really an issue then they wouldn’t have gone back multiple times
First of all, we only know of one, of the 3 women, who returned on multiple occasions. And. you have absolutely no idea why that one went back. No one knows what Bauer said, what promises were made, or how a vulnerable woman might have been taken advantage of. Nor do you know if that woman has mental issues.
If a women did return, and the next time he strangled her to death, are you still going to put the blame on the woman for returning? Sorry. but you just can’t give him a pass on this.
At this point we also only know of allegations & no proof also. I don’t believe or disbelieve Bauer without a comprehensive review of the facts myself, which we don’t & never will have complete access to.
But it is allegations – I don’t think there’s been any proof, unless I’ve missed something (which is entirely possible because I tired of hearing Bauer’s name two years ago).
@Clip The bats are coming alive! We traded one homerun champ to resign another! And the Nasty doing nasty things!
Yeah, you ain’t kidding, man! Rizzo is crushing the ball isn’t he? His swing change really is helping him create added degrees of launch and stay in front of the ball to punish the short porch. He’s also good enough to punish defenses in the shift and go the other way too. I’m impressed. I thought he was going to be an average hitter.
So far so good, man. Cortez is out of this world good right now. He’s a pure pitcher. He’s what’s missing and too often overlooked in today’s game because all the focus is on velo. He’s been brilliant in his Yankees tenure.
One thing that I would point out, as an attorney, is that anyone can obtain an ex parte (as in, without the second party present) restraining order, for whatever reason they wish. After 10 days you return to the issuing court (whether criminal or family) and seek a 365 day extension. That’s when you have to prove some kind of ongoing, actual threat/danger. I’m not making a judgment, just stating the facts.
Look at the whole facts. His behavior was horrific. Legality/morality aside, his actions were terrible
Shut up dude. If you can’t see these girls are just jumping on band wagon after being ok with his kink then you’re dumb
You’re both wrong. You can’t police what someone likes in the bedroom and you can’t immediately assume no boundaries were crossed. There is nuance here.
This is the internet, there is no nuance.
Ever heard of boundaries? I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no.
My only point is that when people hear “restraining order” there tends to be an immediate rush to judgment. Oftentimes correctly so. But it’s incredibly easy to obtain an ex parte TRO, does not require any burden of evidence whatsoever, just a barebones declaration. When the applicant returns after 10 days, however…
it refreshing to see a lawyer comment on this and give actual real world facts on how things are done regarding the legal system. i would like to ask your take on mlb suspended trevor for 2 years without any criminal punishment. i may be wrong on this and you can clarify this but mlb matters are a civil matter and agreements between mlb and the mlbpa are contractual agreements which makes the matter civil, and when it comes to trevor there is enough preponderance of evidence that he contractual broke the rules agreed upon mlb and the mlbpa
Don’t know how far into your “law education “ you need to get to understand that injuring women for fun is wrong but, I wouldn’t think it’s something you need to learn.
@cosmos2 at what point did ccsilvia advocate that injuring women is ok he was just laying out the legal precedence. what the law is and people’s opinion are different matters. tbh trevor is an idiot wether he is right or wrong in this matter (not calling it either way because i don’t have all the facts) the fault on trevor is that he did what he did with “flings”. now not saying those women don’t have a case but trevor has to realize he has a target on his back and is going to draw people that are going to want to take advantage of that. what trevor should of done if he is into that type of adult fun is find someone long term that is also into it. it’s not “my cup of tea” but there are plenty of men and women that like that type of fun and enjoy and the physical stuff stays in the bedroom
“On multiple occasions?”
Uh, so she kept coming back for more?
Apparently the Columbus women did. What about the other two?
Ignorant comment. People who are abused physically are often also abused mentally and feel trapped. They feel powerless to extricate themselves from the situation and are also often threatened with further violence if they tell or leave.
What’s your evidence that any of this happened with Bauer? That’s an ignorant assumption
Trapped? She wasn’t living with him.
He left game tickets for her, naming her “dog on a leash”. He knew the power he had over her. She became uncomfortable over time with how degrading and humiliating it was to be with him, and recently came out to corroborate because he was saying he would never do anything like that.
The thing is, there are people in specialized communities where this rough sex would be consensual and kept in community. He should know that, probably does know that. If he did and decided to play outside, likely it is because he can have more power with his pro ball life and money and because that non-consensual behavior would not be tolerated in the community. It’s full of people that look out for each other.
No source for any of that
The tickets and humiliation and speaking out to back up the other women are right there in the Washington Post article.
Remember when the Dodgers said they did their due diligence on his background LOL oops
I wonder if the administrative leave he’s been on counts towards the 324 day suspension.
It doesn’t.
Thanks.
So he’s not eligible to play until 4/29/2024 (or thereabouts). Wonder what kind of game shape he’ll be in. It’ll be interesting to see if any team would want anything to do with him.
@tad2b13 I think he’s blacklisted even if he does manage to reduce his suspension. A tremendous talent he is but no team will want the fallout if he transgresses again or some other person makes similar accusations.
I bet Bauer misses the old days when he was just considered obnoxious. How’s that short term high-value contract looking now?
I guess it’s time (after suspension) for all these classy women to jump on the bandwagon.
She cooperated with the investigation, leading to the suspension. This was not “after the fact”.
What I don’t get with all 3 women is they said it happened multiple times. After the first time, why would you go back?
I can think of $35 million reasons why
How about both you geniuses read the post article that explains why the woman went back and then about the ZERO dollars she went after?
The suspension and its length would make a lot more sense (to me) if it were in response to multiple credible allegations of non-consensual sexual violence..
When all the talk was focused on the one case where there was explicit consent to rough sex and the DA declined to press charges, the unprecedented two-season suspension fueled conspiracy theories about MLB going overboard against Bauer because of how critical he had been of the MLB in the past. Those theories won’t go away based on another he-said-she-said story or two, but it does cast another light on the suspension.
The post article says this third woman actually spoke with MLB about her experience. So yes that’s probably why the suspension is so high.
I’m pretty sure I don’t want to hear anything more about this. Let the dude pitch. If he likes kinky sex, good for him. None of MLBs business as long as it’s consensual. If we had some legitimate allegations, we’d know them by now I’d assume. If we’re suspending him, we better see proof of some incredible actions… far beyond Ray Rice or the like. Get over it, there’s. Nothing wrong with this stuff if both parties say yes at the time.
The MLB code says it’s not consensual when one partner is unconscious.
A) I don’t care about the MLB code. I would ban the MLB from having a code, despite the CBA.
B) I’m not sure what the details specifically look like, but I’m not sure I care, if it’s consensual. I’m not sure it matters. Maybe it does, but I’m not ok with MLB making rules about different kinds of sex. And if it occurred while she was unconscious, what portion of it did? And who can personally verify that? I’d assume no one. After the last thrust or there was 20 minutes after? Who actually knows? I’m not interested unless there’s proof.
Actually, c) I’m not interested, even if there is proof. The police can handle that. Baseball shouldn’t be involved.
MLB is a private organization that can set rules and moral codes for its employees. If they don’t want someone who gets off by donkeypunching women representing them then so be it.
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So if it was consensual choke sex, and he went to far, and she died, you’re going to give him a pass?
And baseball has a brand to protect. They should not be forced to allow a known sexual deviant in, and representing, their private organization. They are perfectly within their rights to do what they’re doing.
Yes, in that situation I’m going to give him a pass, of course. As an accident. And I don’t care about MLBs brand. I’m not ok with them having a moral code, or having any say on things that happened outside of league property. Or any employer, for that matter. I understand that it currently exists, but I would make it illegal.
Accidentally choking someone until death would be manslaughter and he would rightfully be in jail and out of the league. This kind of sex is dangerous, but is often consented to. The core issue with Bauer is whether or not the women consented, not whether it’s deviant or disgusting (which I agree it is).
An alternate scenario: it’s the early 1990’s and a player is caught cheating on his wife with a man. In that cultural context, his sexual behavior would be very embarrassing for the league and attract widespread condemnation. Is MLB within their rights punishing him because the public demands it?
For those of us who don’t subscribe to the Washington Post was there any evidence backing this up like pictures or sworn statements at the time? Or is this just allegations of things that allegedly happened 8 years ago?
A screen shot of a message that cuts out her response
Here’s one thing from the Post. I don’t know if it qualifies as evidence, but she said she woke up one time and Bauer was frantic and told her she had been convulsing on the floor after he choked her.
“The woman said Bauer often recorded their sex, with a GoPro camera mounted on a tripod or sometimes worn on his head.”
Good get this scum away from the mlb for life
Something wicked this way comes…..
Bauer is done like dinner.
If any of this is true Baur got off light. Personally I’d like to see him chained to a bed and let the victims do the same to him
I love how you say “if any of this is true” and then promote your own perverted fantasy of what should happen to him even with doubt in your mind. And If Bauer continuously goes back to the same type of treatment like the accusers subjected themselves to multiple then that’s his fault. Although I doubt those accusers have the same financial funds as Bauer to fuel his desire to continually go back the same way the accusers did.
I simply don’t like anything I’ve ever heard or read about him. Just has always rubbed me the wrong way. That doesn’t make him guilty, but the length of suspension suggests to me that there’s evidence of major wrong doing. I believe that he’s simply a bad seed!
I don’t want to downplay the allegations, because they’re terrible. And I’m not against the long suspension, but how can you drop this on Bauer, yet allow cheating by the Astros with zero repercussions? To cheat or not to cheat, that is the question. When the going gets tough, the tough gets going. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
Completely unrelated. Have you been asleep, athletes cheat! While real men do not beat women! Come on man how can you even compare the two
That’s not what I was getting at. I understand it’s apples and oranges, my point is why are some things punished and others are not? Steroid user gets banned for 50 games, Bauer gets banned for 2 seasons, and the Stros cheat and get welcomed back to the next season.
@D-Money The Astros, as an organization, was punished, under MLB’s constitution, with a maximum fine and forfeited draft picks. MLB gave individual players immunity in return for their cooperation of the investigation. What else could they have done? Lifetime ban all involved personnel and contract the Astros?
Wow, Really? There’s absolutely zero equivalency between sexual abuse and cheating at a game, even if that game is played at the highest level.
So on this day next year, MLB will announce the suspension has been extended to..325 games.
I can’t place any credibility on this woman’s accusations given how long it’s been. If you have a problem report it immediately otherwise you can’t be taken seriously. Trevor Bauer is a disgusting human being, no question about that. Legally I don’t see how you can keep him from playing unfortunately.
There’s no time limit on that. A lot of women are embarrassed and just want to move on. They’d rather try to forget rather than open an investigation that just makes the whole thing worse. Coming forward against anyone in the public eye exposes a women to incredible harassment they’d rather not deal with. Look at some of the comments here.
But with time, they might come to regret not coming forward, and when other women do, feel the need to tell the relevancy of their story. There’s nothing about not coming forward immediately that affects credibility.
I’m not denying that. But it’s harder to believe the longer you wait. Now if she has pictures, some evidence that we don’t know about then great. But my thinking is if somebody hits you, don’t wait around you reported immediately. Has a lot more credibility
She has videos. Bauer recorded many of their encounters. It’s in the Post article. The lawyer has seen them but is holding them for privacy reasons. Some show the woman struggling with Bauer to release her.
The Columbus woman has videos? If that’s the case, interesting, very interesting. I’d like to hear why she held onto them for so long. Regardless, I think it’s pretty obvious Trevor Bauer is a very troubled and dangerous
You only have to read some of the comments to understand why women don’t come forward. She indicated she did something now because of the other women. Safety in numbers? And she indicates he came very close to a tragedy with her, choking her to convulsions.
I guess I have never been a battered woman, so that’s where I come from -a lack of understanding. You make good points
How does this expose her to any harassment at all (let alone incredible harassment) when we don’t even know her name?
Again you’re trying both ways.
She didn’t come forward earlier because she didn’t want the shaming and harassment. The fact that we don’t her name is exactly why she didn’t come forward. That’s what she wanted. Yet guys doubt her word because she wanted to remain anonymous.
You are allowed to report anonymously. Happens all the time. More often than unanonymously in fact.
Can’t imagine why MLBTR doesn’t bother to add Bauer’s response to today’s accusation. Glad I cancelled my subscription.
This woman’s lawyer has seen video of some of the encounters but has not shared them with MLB for fear that they would be leaked. ‘Lordy, there are tapes.’
Tapes?
No hope for the tape deck. Or the Creedence
I am so glad he didn’t sign with the Mets.
I think his career is over. No team can afford the bad press he’ll bring.
I hope you’re right.
Can you say black balled? Trevor Bauer can but he’ll need a blow torch and some vice grips.
There could be a 300th woman, and you’d still find people in this thread calling them money-grubbing liars.
There could be a 300th restraining order and you’d still find people here complaining about MLB ‘policing consensual sex.’
So, a judge denies a restraining order extension, the District Attorneys office in LA then decides that there is not enough evidence to proceed criminally, but somehow MLB has more than enough evidence to suspend him for two years? I know this is a sensitive topic, but now allegations count as probable cause?
I’m getting the feeling the intial woman to come forward, and her complaint, as well as her bananas text messages are not the driving force of his suspension. It really seems to me that one of the other women who came forward after the initial complaint has something of substance that MLB is responding to. This recent woman stated Bauer recorded their activities with a GoPro. Even if she isn’t turning over video for fear of it leaking, it’s not unreasonable to assume that if he recorded his activities with one woman, he recorded them with others. I’m wondering if one of these other women turned their videos over to MLB.
Just because the first woman who accused him comes off as a gold digging loon who wanted it (she does, read the texts she sent, not just to Bauer, but also her friends), doesn’t automatically mean Bauer didn’t assault/batter any of these other women.
We also don’t know how many women came forward to MLB. Just because this one, or that one, spoke to a paper, doesn’t mean they all had to.
I’m sure we’ll find out more when this gets to arbitration.
An unamed person from 9 years ago coming out the day he receives a suspension is beyond fishy
Will you read the article, she came out as soon as that woman filed her restraining order. She contacted her and then worked with MLB this whole time. Only today the Post article came out. He got such a large suspension because MLBs data included the woman in the post article . Read the article.
So much for getting a shorter suspension. Bauer is Toast!
Can we get a Venn diagram of those who think not getting vaccinated against COVID is ok and those who think it’s ok for pro athletes to punch women they’re dating in the face, ALLEGEDLY.
…and the Covid obsessed have joined the discussion. Howard Stern is that you?
Great. Can we retroactively give the same penalty to Ozuna and Chapman and get Bobby Cox out of the hall of fame?
I will almost surely never say this again, but this was a good move by Manfred. It allows the legal stuff to play out, lets the Dodgers off the hook and lets any team foolish enough to try to sign him when he has passed his contractual limits in 2024 to sign him knowing full well that he is the train wreck he is.
Personally, I think he needs to take the strap-on whoopin’ from these women he deserves and never pitches again.
But that’s just me.
He deserves the punishment but let’s all be aware that this happening at the same time where accused wife beater Miguel Cabrera is getting celebrated for #3000.
Let’s be realistic about this, he is never going to throw another MLB pitch.
But he’ll recoup the lost salary as a featured commentator on a major ‘news’ channel.
What lost salary.? He’s been paid the last 2 years.
He won’t be the next 2
News flash genius. He does have lawyers planning lawsuits.
People who think it’s fine for cops to summarily execute black guys who sneeze during traffic stops are very very very very very very concerned about Bauer’s due process rights.
True.
What about the part where Black Guys Beat/execute another Black man?
People who lack critical thinking skills blame everything on race, regardless of the situation. Utterly pathetic.
forwhomjoshbelltolled – What a monumentally ignorant and Leftist comment. How can any rational and objective person somehow equate persons who value due process are automatically and simultaneously being supportive of alleged racist homicidal police officers?
forwhomjoshbelltolled, congratulations, you’re officially the biggest moron on the internet. Keep pushing your pro-criminal narrative.
If it’s just the third woman, how could it be the forth allegation!?! Come on MTR! Proofread your headlines!!!!
Hopefully you’re joking. Just in case you’re not…you might want to buy a vowel:
forth /fôrTH/
adverb
out from a starting point and forward or into view.
“the plants will bush out, putting forth fresh shoots”
fourth /fôrTH/
number
constituting number four in a sequence; 4th.
“the fourth and fifth centuries”
1. If he assaulted her during sex “on multiple occasions” why go back for seconds, and possibly thirds?
2. Why wait 8 years to report?
Can’t answer 1 if that did happen. But 2, fear of revenge, fear of being dismissed as a liar, etc.. Time goes by, and now the victims have the support and similar experiences of other victims come to light, as well as the attention of law enforcement.
There’s a statue of limitations and it varies from state to state.
Statute.
She will claim she was a “Victim”
Possibly for the very reasons you stated.
1- Into kinky sex- first time didn’t get that out of hand although there was abuse. After things went to far she didn’t come forward for a multitude of reasons.
A- Family and friends learning of her lifestyle
B- People like those on here calling her a gold digger.
There is so much none of use know nothing about
One thought to ponder. After a year of investigating would MLB really risk a successful lawsuit by Bauer that would have a reward running 100s of millions IF they didn’t have a lockdown justification for the suspension.
All valid points, especially about none of us knowing what facts MLB has. Both MLB & even more so the courts will have information we will never receive. Bauer could be the biggest dirtbag on the planet and deserve life in prison – wouldn’t surprise me.
Likewise, there could be very little to substantiate any of the allegations of wrongdoing- also, wouldn’t surprise me.
Nonetheless, I believe MLB would risk it, and here’s why: MLB has taken positions, particularly in the past decade, of taking very public stances on hot-button issues. This is clearly one and they know by punishing him, most people will say, “Well, they tried to do the right thing, you can’t blame them,” even if they are butchered in court.
Most people here have already condemned Bauer, I doubt it’s much different across most forums. MLB is a multi-billion-dollar per year industry and can afford to eat a huge lawsuit (plus they have insurance for that). The one position they don’t want to answer for is not doing anything and being wrong… frankly, Bauer is expendable in this case to MLB whether he did this or not.
No lawyer on the planet worth their salt would advise MLB to proceed with such a lengthy suspension without sufficient evidence to support it.
1- The optics would be horrendous for a sport already dealing with the recent labor dispute and Covid related lost income.
2- As stated they would open themselves to a suit worth 100s of millions. Let’s face it no advertiser will ever touch Bauer again, doubt many teams will either so all the potential income in Salary/Promotion + damages could push this suit into the 300-500m range. You really think MLB would take that on without concrete evidence?
3- Before this even broke last year for anyone paying attention Bauer exhibited behavior toward females that should of warned off anyone. As already stated he was a time bomb. I mean seriously any pro athlete who spends a weekend trolling/stalking a 21 yr old coed on twitter and digs back through a years of tweets to come up with a pic of her drinking at 20 and then calls her out on it publicly is not a mature, well balanced , stable individual .
@Talksomesense
Your user name is a contradiction in terms.
I would not expect logic and depth of thought to be in your wheelhouse Fred . Nor would I expect you to have any clue about the D/s lifestyle, you seem to be the type of person with a very limited misogynistic world view.
I assume you are the previous FredMcGriffforHOF .
@Talksnonsense
You forgot the ‘non’ in front of the sense, because that’s what you talk. Nothing of sense, and all nonsense without any semblance of sense or one iota of truth in anything you have to say. Furthermore, you’re asserting misogyny about me because of the fact you talk absolute nonsense, not sense.
SMH your capability to use logic and string together more then a simple thread of thought is truly astounding.
Really though I shouldn’t expect any better from you. I know my comments are beyond your intellectual capability. ( You were not my target audience but seeing how you choose to put your intellect or lack there of on display by trying to engage with me…. )
You should change your username to “TalkNoSense.”
He got what he deserved… now I hope Deshawn Watson gets 2 years as well. You can’t treat anyone like that. And anyone that would side with him or ask why these women wait is a freakin idiot. You just can’t abuse people and think it’s ok.
After the Depp vs Heard case I think they are going to far with punishment. They are making him an example just for being accused to protect the image of the league and its players. Something does not add up after one of the Women involved seen him more than once..
Unless Bauer was rough but not exceed the woman’s ” limits” until the last meeting then fear of public shaming for her lifestyle kept her silent .. A High profile wealthy athlete who was into BDSM and fashioned himself a Dom who had physically violent kinks who did not set out agreed upon limits in WRITING prior to engaging in kinky sex is a complete Moron and Fool.
What public shaming? We don’t even know her name. And I’d probably get banned if I posted the main complainant’s name on here regardless of it being pretty easy to find.
The name of the first woman is already out there the 3rd woman just came forward . In time her name will leak out as well. That shaming- stop and think next time.
Out there yet all the major news sources refuse to report it and I’d probably get banned if I said it in here.
thelegendaryharambe:
You seem to want it both ways. People complain that she didn’t come forward earlier. But if she had, her name would be public record, and there would have been shaming. But by not coming forward, now she’s suspect because she waited. She can’t win with this crowd.
It should be noted that she only cooperated. There’s no lawsuit, or anything that benefits her. And yet she’s vilified and he’s the victim.
Damn Amber Heard is beautiful..crazy but beautiful.
This lady…..crazy and average.
A woman in that lifestyle would likely care more about it getting out and her family, friends and acquaintances finding out then some random guy on a sports site. Connect the dots for love of god.
Tad
Exactly !! Many on here do not seem able to see that they are prime examples of why a woman like this would not come forward. The term critical thinking gets tossed around by a certain segment of society today yet many of them display a complete inability to apply it.
Once again, you are allowed to report anonymously. Happens all the time. More often than unanonymously in fact.
Not only a lack of critical thinking, but a lack of simple logic. Some of what I read here is completely nonsensical.
thelegendaryharambe:
You’re delusional if you think a victim of Bauer’s sexual deviancy, could report an assault and remain anonymous.
What’s the intent of reporting if you don’t want the DA to do something? Do you think you can testify in court anonymously?
Doesn’t mean your name leaves the courtroom. Not like anyone in this comment section will be in that courtroom.
I imagine Bauer is subject to the same restrictions as any other individual accused of such things. It’s the reason why in his tweet announcing he was suing that girl and her lawyer, he used the lawyer’s real name but not the girl’s. You really think he would choose not to use her name if he was allowed to?
Right. I guess there’d be no reporters in the courtroom for a salacious trial charging a well-known athlete with battering women.
Those reporters are bound by r***-shield laws too. You know better.
This isn’t a r*** case case. This is an assault that started out as consensual sex. Her name would be all over the place.
R***-shield laws would still apply.
I know the third woman’s name. I’ll tell you her initials: MDR
Um yeah, from the MLB’s perspective, it’s always been about protecting the image of the league. Every corporation does this and it’s not something people deny, it’s a normal business practice.
Yet she kept going back over and over.
But what about the other two? And we have no idea what he did, or said, to entice that one to return. And we have no idea either of her mental state, and if that played a role.
Apparently some men think it’s okay to take advance of vulnerable, unstable, or disturbed women. But then again, I wouldn’t call that person a man.
We know the main complainant went back for seconds
Well Winslow ask yourself, why do women in abusive relationships stay? How many women out there are beat by their husbands and stay? There are terms for those situations, i suppose you never heard of battered wife syndrome?
How much did the Dodgers pay Manfred to get out of his contract?
If I was him, go play in Japan. Bleep MLB. They are all about weird sexual fetishes over there.
If this guy is guilty then get him in front of a jury, show the evidence and if he is convicted then throw him under the jail and be done with this guy!
The DA need to get this guy if he is a serial attacker and he shouldn’t be walking freely!
Now let me be clear if the woman is found lying then she should be thrown in jail and all of us that keep on bashing this individual should ask ourselves why we believe this nonsense and ask how this affects women who are truly victims of sexual assault?
People are so naïve about reality. Everything is so black and white, and there’s no mitigating factors. If she didn’t come forward earlier she wasn’t assaulted. If she came forward later, her story is suspicious. If he wasn’t charged, and tried in court, then there’s no evidence.
The truth is women are assaulted all the time, and consequences of reporting keep them silent. People change their minds over time, especially when it can d some good to keep a serial abuser from hurting others.
Like it or not, criminal behavior goes unpunished if the DA is not sure of getting a conviction And sexual assault is one of the hardest case to win, especially when it starts out consensual, even if it ends up bad.
Absolutely amazing to me how so many people defenses Bauer to the death just a few hours before this story broke and now it’s, we’ll maybe there was more to the story.
No $hit. I have no idea what exactly happened between him and these other women, and neither does anyone else not involved in the investigation.
Not trying to be a jerk but…, multiple times? Why’d she keep going back?
Regardless of the evidence…
MLB has come down harder on this man, more so than wife beaters, known cheaters that cheated their way to a championship, and steroid abusers.
I’m not saying dude is innocent or guilty. I’m just pointing out the fact that there is so cause justice and even a benchmark for anything. Two years is them trying to end his career. That’s what that is. Why wouldn’t you do that for more players then. Trying to stand on some moral high ground when the mlb closet is full of skeletons is a rather shallow hill to die on.
Being a sexual sadist is just as abnormal as being a pedophile. The are on the same spectrum of sexual disorders. If you’re okay with Bauer playing, you’re okay with a pedophile on your favorite team.
It is quite odd & peculiar how police are never called at the time of the alleged incident/s.
Probably something about money and ‘me too’.
You are an atypical example of why many females do not come forward. Bottom line if Bauer was going to engages in this type of lifestyle he should have stuck to the discretion of the D/s community or had limits agreed to in writing prior to engaging. Any high profile person with half a brain cell engaged in this sort of lifestyle would CYA. ( If he were free of any wrong doing ) I know this is way over your head but had to put it out there.
@Talksnonsense
The problem that you have is that you ‘think’ I am defending Bauer. No, not at all, but I am not asserting he’s guilty like you are, yet you want to talk about ‘brain cells’. Oh, the irony indeed.
He may or may not have done something wrong, that’s not for you or I, or anyone else on this board to make judgements on his rights or wrongs in life. However, since you believe he’s in the wrong and you have condemned him, please provide the verifiable facts of his wrongdoing.
Do you honestly think MLB after a full year of investigation would have down such a lengthy suspension with No evidence of inappropriate behavior/ wrong doing?
Seriously – once again you are displaying a lack of logic. BTW- MLB has a plethora of lawyers who would have given legal advice prior to the suspension being announced.
Do try and connect the dots.
Finally your assumption thinking any woman who does not come forward straight away must be out for a “payday” well that alone displays your bias .
Bauer had a track record of dealing with women prior to this that would make any rational adult see that he was a ticking time bomb.
But you’re instantly judging a victim even with the same ignorance of fact you claim. Bauer is no better than a pedophile, But you don’t judge people so you would be happy to have a pedo on your team.
@Talksnonsense
What dots are you connecting, the ones that you can’t see and that can’t be verified. How laughable indeed the assumptions that you and others are making. The fact that you assert that just because “MLB has a plethora lawyers” provides some sort of credence to your assumptions tells me everything I need to know about your lack of logic and nonsense.
I guess your ‘dots’ will be picked apart in court. Whether Bauer was a time bomb or not is not for you to judge and cast aspersions. Maybe you think there are no women out there who love rough encounters and that they’re all ‘ladies’ and men are all ‘gentlemen’. The nonsense that you talk and you believe is just that, pure nonsense. As I said, your username is a total contradiction.
So after a year of investigation MLB hands out a suspension like this without any evidence. ” Hey Trevor sue us for 500m after the past 2 years we have buckets of money to give away ”
Seriously. WOW That dense?
You obviously know ZERO about the lifestyle and the concept of consent and limits. Keep digging you are making yourself look more and more like the fool .
Just because they have lots of lawyers does not prove anything. We’ll see if Bauer wins his appeal or if the defamation suit succeeds.
None of us are privy to the evidence in this case. The length of the suspension and timing of things is awfully suspicious however. And compared to other players who have done as much or worse, is staggering.
You must be privy to insider information if you “know” his case is not as bad as others who received lesser suspensions.
SMH the level of absurdity on here keeps defying all odds. Rational is completely out the window.
Try and use some logic to answer this simple question. If your employer suspended or fired you from a high paying job without just cause would you wait a year to file a wrongful dismissal suit.
Or play in the NFL where that kind of behavior is expected
He’s toast.
Though it isn’t surprising that some fans here are defending Bauer, it’s still saddening.
Bauer has no character. If you don’t understand how significant that is, ask a veteran military officer.
Seriously.
@Stevil
Whether Bauer has character or not is irrelevant when it is to do with the facts of the matter, not his character evaluation.
Congratulations, you’ve understood nothing
@Stevil
I’ve understood more than you. Deal in proven facts, not assertions or accusations.
No, you don’t get it.
I’m not talking about what he is or isn’t guilty of, I’m talking about the way he presents himself; how he reacts, how he speaks, etc.
He indeed has no character. You’re deflecting because you’ve made excuses for him and took what I stated personally.
Hopefully you’ll learn something from this.
Have a nice life.
@Stevil
I understood exactly what you were about, and that was the fact that you were indeed making moral judgements about someone you have never met. That tells me everything I need to know about you. I took nothing “personally” at all so stop your baseless assumptions. It is not for you or anyone else to make judgements about Bauer. Either present some facts about any illegalities that he’s committed or run along. Furthermore, don’t tell lies about deflection, because you have no argument.
Pedophiles and Sexual Sadists shouldn’t be in baseball.
We’ve all sinned and fallen short. He needs to lay his life at the foot of the cross and let Jesus transform his life.
This guy ruined his career over some booty. That’s sad and pathetic.
This is by far the best way to put it….rather than taking a side stating what happened as fact, when it obviously is not.
Bauer’s into some kinky stuff. And that’s his right. But as an ultra famous (and super rich) employee of an ultra conservative pro sport, he should make better decisions on who he practices this type of “booty” with.
Ultra conservative? Have you missed Manfred’s woke movement?
Was going to say the same thing
Trevor Bauer exposes pitchers that were cheating with sticky substances, gets the Bill Cosby treatment.
As in…Bill Cosby didn’t have a gaggle of accusers piling on, until AFTER he made the mistake of (being a black man) trying to buy NBC.
Most commenters here apparently have no inclination to understand the methods and motives of Billionaires
Wait . . . you’re saying NBC hired women to claim that Bill Cosby used date-rape drugs on them because they didn’t want the network to be sold to a black man?
Do you have any evidence to support this theory?
Wait . . . you’re saying NBC hired women to claim that Bill Cosby drugged them to have sex with them against their will because the suits at NBC didn’t want the network to be sold to a black man?
Do you have any evidence to support this theory?
You could have done a search for yourself and pulled from whichever article you preferred.
vanityfair.com/hollywood/1993/08/bill-cosby-nbc
That article said nothing — zero — about anyone hiring women to sabotage Cosby.
And neither did I.
That was your own doing.
Please tell me..
What part of “Bill Cosby didn’t have a gaggle of accusers piling on, until AFTER he made the mistake of (being a black man) trying to buy NBC”, is factually incorrect.
No, it was yours:
“As in…Bill Cosby didn’t have a gaggle of accusers piling on, until AFTER he made the mistake of (being a black man) trying to buy NBC.”
Are you now trying to pretend you weren’t implying that all those women lied and that they were put up to it by white people who didn’t want a black man to own NBC? If that wasn’t what you meant to imply, then explain the connection between his wanting to buy NBC and the accusations made against him — the connection that YOU made.
You’re having difficulties with comprehension here. That’s not my problem.
You should stop committing your logical fallacies tho.
Serious subject matter doesn’t need help with moving the goal posts, like you’re doing here.
Are you admitting that you don’t know how white supremacy works?
@Fink
Don’t evade the question this time.
What part of “Bill Cosby didn’t have a gaggle of accusers piling on, until AFTER he made the mistake of (being a black man) trying to buy NBC” is factually incorrect?
I asked you for evidence to support your suggestion that “NBC hired women to claim that Bill Cosby used date-rape drugs on them because they didn’t want the network to be sold to a black man,” and you posted the link to a Vanity Fair article that said nothing about that.
Again, where’s your evidence for that massive innuendo?
I never said anything “about anyone hiring women to sabotage Cosby”, so you need to stop putting words in people’s mouths.
That’s just a sign of the emotional maturity that awaits you.
Don’t try to reverse onto me the obligation to provide supporting evidence. You’ve provided no evidence to support YOUR claims.
The notion that one event preceding a later event establishes a covert, conspiratorial relationship between the two events is absurd. That’s not evidence, it’s innuendo.
Cosby was investing NONE OF HIS OWN MONEY in that bid to acquire NBC, and that bid was dead in the water years before the first accuser came forward in 2006.
inquisitr.com/4882398/was-bill-cosby-going-to-buy-…
Byron Allen, a black man, bought the Weather Channel from — wait for it — NBC. HIs company, Entertainment Studios, Inc., also owns 30 local TV stations and two specialty TV networks purchase from MGM Television.
“In the late 2010s, the company made several major expansions to its operations; including entering the film distribution market; acquiring The Weather Channel from NBC Universal and Bain Capital; partnering with Sinclair Broadcast Group to operate the regional sports network chain, Bally Sports, through Diamond Sports Group; and its acquisition of television stations from another minority-owned media group, Bayou City Broadcasting.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entertainment_Studios
If you’ve watched much baseball lately, you’ve probably seen games broadcast by Bally Sports.
So much for black entrepreneurs not being allowed to buy TV networks.
‘I never said anything “about anyone hiring women to sabotage Cosby”, so you need to stop putting words in people’s mouths.
‘That’s just a sign of the emotional maturity that awaits you.’
Let’s go to the videotape.
I asked you:
“Wait . . . you’re saying NBC hired women to claim that Bill Cosby drugged them to have sex with them against their will because the suits at NBC didn’t want the network to be sold to a black man?
“Do you have any evidence to support this theory?”
And you replied:
“You could have done a search for yourself and pulled from whichever article you preferred,” and you included the following link:
vanityfair.com/hollywood/1993/08/bill-cosby-nbc
Now you want to pretend you weren’t implying that the appearance of those accusers was part of a conspiracy to take down Cosby because he allegedly tried to buy NBC?
I see you’re already resorting to insults, the hallmark of a failed argument.
You’re still here moving goalposts.
Apparently you’re incapable of commenting without attributing words that were never said to me.
I’m confident that everyone reading this exchange sees how bogus and dishonest your comments are. I won’t waste more time with you.
I hate Bauer, but she’s lying like the last one. Nothing worse than the Me Too movement trying to take down everyone.
Worst part is that they are ruining it for actual victims… Creating that doubt whenever someone comes forward.
How do you know any of them are lying?
Because the courts literally have thrown all of this out….. It was consensual, it’s PROVEN by the courts…..
That’s entirely wrong. Nothing was “proven” in court because the case never went to trial. The D.A. had only the conflicting accounts of the only two witnesses — Bauer and his sexual partner — to go by. Not prosecuting a case because you don’t have a corroborating third-party witness isn’t the same as proving guilt or innocence in a court of law. There was no forensic evidence that could establish consent or the lack of it in a case where both parties acknowledged that violence was initially consensual to a degree.
“Bauer had assaulted her during sex on multiple occasions between 2013-14.”
It was so horrifying she came back again and again. Hmmm…
In real life, things are actually more complicated than that. I’ve been sexually assaulted and I didn’t fully understand it and accept it until years later. Human psychology is not as simple as you’d like it to be. Also, you should know that it’s easier to go public with what happened to you when you’re not the only one.
Thank you, MLBTR, for the mute button.
It is especially useful with posts like this.
With this kind of rap sheet, he should have no problem getting a job in the NFL
Yep! The trolls all crawled out from under their bridges. My mute list has about 30 new members. I’m very thankful they left this up.
The mute button is perfect for people like “StEViL’ who is incapable of making a proper factual based argument. Instead he/it chooses to sprout assertions, make character assessments and judgements on people he’s never met. He’s the perfect example of a ‘progressive’.
He grabbed them by the hair and spanked them? These women wait 7-8 years before they complain? I hope Bauer wins a $100 million lawsuit against the league.
No, he punched and choked them until they lost consciousness, and then he raped them while they were unconscious.
But your description obviously was very close.
No, according to the women, he punched and choked them until they lost consciousness and then he penetrated them while unconscious.
But your description was very close to accurate, obviously.
There is a whole lot more to this story in the Washington Post article. It’s a very long piece. MLBTR has only put a small part up. Could be embargoed. Don’t make assumptions just on what you see here.
Why are women coming forward now.
If they had a problem with him at the time they should have said something when it happened. But I guess there was no money to gain from it until now.
I feel really bad for him. Some women lie about anything.
They’re coming forward, they said, because he publicly denied ever doing these things, and they know that he’s done them before.
You do realize that some men lie too, right?
This will be just like Bill Cosby. You’ll have someone like Gloria Allred traveling the country to find women Bauer slept with and talking them into believing that he did something wrong just so she can get interviewed on TV. And since public opinion is easily swayed and Bauer is already an unlikable person, it will get done a lot more easily. This country is not about justice, it is about revenge and vindictiveness and most important…popularity.
Bauer is pos. There’s no defending him
This is America. Even the biggest POS deserves a defense.
There have been a lot of comments to the effect that Bauer’s suspension is the longest ever.
Nope. Mets relief pitcher Jenrry Mejia received a lifetime ban after his third PED suspension.
Only, a lifetime ban isn’t really a lifetime ban unless you’re someone like Pete Rose or Shoeless Joe.
‘NEW YORK — Jenrry Mejia is no longer banned for life from Major League Baseball. His appeal for reinstatement from permanent suspension under Major League Baseball’s Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program was approved on Friday, and the New York Mets pitcher is now cleared to resume participation in non-public workouts at Mets facilities following the 2018 All-Star break.
‘Commissioner Rob Manfred released a statement regarding Mejia’s reinstatement:
‘”Under the terms of our collectively bargained Joint Drug Program, a permanently suspended player like Mr. Mejia has the right to apply to me for discretionary reinstatement after serving a minimum of two years. Upon receiving Mr. Mejia’s application for reinstatement last year, I invited him to New York to meet with me. During our meeting, Mr. Mejia expressed regret for poor choices he made in the past and assured me that, if reinstated, he would adhere to the terms of the Program going forward. In light of Mr. Mejia’s contrition, his commitment to comply with the Program in the future, and the fact that he will have already spent almost four consecutive years suspended without pay, I have decided to grant Mr. Mejia a final chance to resume his professional career.”‘
mlb.com/news/mlb-reinstates-pitcher-jenrry-mejia-c…
So, hang on, Trevor. Apparently the CBA doesn’t really mean what it says.
It seems like a good time to reveal it. The issue is current again, which makes it both increased public interest and less consequential for her personally. Maybe she doesn’t want to sacrifice her sanity or privacy for revenge or personal gain and is just taking the easiest opportunity to corroborate the other women’s stories. You ever get punched during sex?
Or she’s full of it
I wonder about the DA in this case. The LADA is a super liberal person who refuses to prosecute many of the crimes that occur there. Could Bauer have benefited from this case being brought there? I admit I have no clue what jurisdiction this happened in, but it’s possible that’s why they refused to prosecute.
Bauer is what every leftist hates, a successful, wealthy, straight, white male. If there was anyone the DA was going to prosecute, it’s him or his ilk. So to not pursue charges means there is no evidence that wrong doing occurred.
Lack of prosecution does not mean there was a “no” evidence , it means the DA felt there would be trouble getting a guilty verdict. A case like this where woman engaging in a D/s relationship and then the guy going beyond limits would have a hard time being successful prosecuted . It is also a reason why other women would not come forward prior to now. Don’t expect anyone who supports Trump to understand this ” after all its cool to grab them by the $$$$ ” right?
For anyone to think that after a full year of investigation that MLB didn’t have very strong evidence of wrongdoing before issuing such a lengthy suspension is ludicrous .
“Bauer is what every leftist hates, a successful, wealthy, straight, white male.”
For the record, Democratic senator Mark Warner of Virginia is straight, white and has a net worth of around $93 million. He’s won three terms.
Interesting description of Bauer, but along with “successful, wealthy, straight and white,” you left out “who needs to beat and choke women to get it up.”
I suspected that some of the defense of Bauer in these threads was about politics because Bauer said he supported Trump in 2016 even though he didn’t vote for him.
If you adjust your morality to accord with your political affiliation, your moral integrity is wanting. On the other hand, maybe you just share Bauer’s fondness for beating up and choking women, so your morality and his are simpatico. That’s for you to say.
@WtfMate You seem confused, but that’s unstandable given the brainwashing perpetrated by FOX, CNN, et al.
The actual left despises feminism and the absurd ‘social justice movement.’ Correspondents and authors at the World Socialist Website (wsws dot com), for example, has loathed feminism’s move to the right for decades. The Democratic party, fwiw, is not remotely left wing except for decoration on a handful of social issues. Both major parties, in sum, are wholly-owned subsidiaries of corporate power. They’re both thoroughly right wing on economic and foreign policy issues, but they’ve gotten quite good at getting you to despise each other over meaningless issues and what is fundamentally nonsense.
Enjoy your oligarchic rule, my friend.
@JackStrawb
Do you actually know what an oligarch and an oligarchy is? Doubtful at best.
There really needs to be statue of limitations on these types of things. 8 or 9 years ago this allegedly happened and odds are it will turn out the same that she consented.
I think there IS a statute of limitations and she isn’t taking legal action anyway. She just gave an interview in order to corroborate what the other women are saying. The authorities declined to prosecute, now Bauer is suing, and multiple women are corroborating a pattern of behavior, in addition to the MLB. I’m not sure any of the women are seeking damages or prosecution at this point, the newest one is not. BUT BAUER IS.
Two words: Duke Lacrosse
Again, I’m no Trevor Bauer fan. However, this is very suspicious.
Bauer is neither likeable nor wanted in MLB clubhouses. Considering how this allegation came out during or right after the investigation, it makes me suspect that some element of the investigation gave this 3rd person the confidence to come forward.
arbitrator says, since it’s been 99 games, 1 more and he’s eligible for a roster spot
I think Tim’s decision to open the comments section was a wise one. He’s right: choose to comment, choose to read comments, choose to mute, or even choose to not read or comment at all. I
I believe the dodgers found out previous relations bauer has had and paid this woman off.
He should say he identifies as a woman. That should make it better. Or better non binary
wonder how many people would have charges filed against them if they were “struck” during the act with out a pre-defined agreement not too. (/s)
don’t want to go in and read the story probably more details that is none of my business. Did he drop kick her to keep her from leaving or something? i so then that is a HUGE deal..
On multiple occasions? So the first dozen times it was ok but then suddenly things changed. Ok
Clearly he has problems but who puts themselves in a situation to let it happen over and over again?