The Tigers have had an active offseason, acquiring Javier Báez, Eduardo Rodríguez, Andrew Chafin and Tucker Barnhart. They could still use some help at the back of the rotation, though, and they’ve been tied to a few starting pitchers in recent days.
Jon Heyman of the MLB Network tweeted last night that Detroit was among the teams in discussions with the A’s about Frankie Montas and Sean Manaea. It is widely believed Oakland will move one or both of those players, as the A’s have kicked off their long-rumored reboot since the lockout was lifted. Chris Bassitt, Matt Olson and Matt Chapman have already been shipped out. Manaea, entering his final year of club control, seems a lock to change teams. Montas has an additional year of control, but that was also true of Chapman and Olson.
Either would be a marked upgrade to the rotation, beyond a typical back-of-the-rotation acquisition. Manaea tossed 179 1/3 innings of 3.91 ERA/3.68 SIERA ball last season, his third sub-4.00 showing in four full seasons. Montas was even better, pitching to a 3.37 ERA in 187 frames with a strong 26.6% strikeout rate.
The A’s two starters may be the top two arms available to pitching-needy clubs. Every currently healthy starting pitcher who made MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents list entering the offseason has already signed. The Reds don’t intend to trade Luis Castillo or Tyler Mahle, leaving few obvious remaining trade candidates.
Detroit general manager Al Avila met with reporters (including Evan Petzold of the Detroit Free-Press) this afternoon. He acknowledged that the market was “thinning out a little bit” but said the front office was “still trying to improve the team.” The Tigers were reportedly involved in the bidding for Zack Greinke before the six-time All-Star returned to the Royals on a $13MM deal. Avila confirmed as much today, saying “we were in the Greinke situation” but that the righty preferred to “(go) back to Kansas City and the place where he started.” Avila implied the Tigers were prepared to make an offer at least competitive with the Royals’ proposal but suggested Detroit was at a geographic disadvantage against their division rivals.
Asked about the possibility of acquiring one of the A’s hurlers, Avila said they’ve looked into making an impact acquisition via trade but expressed a desire “to be careful” in not parting with too much prospect talent. Montas, given his two years of control and superior numbers, would bring back more in return than would Manaea.
Speaking of top prospects, Avila addressed the status of Spencer Torkelson and Riley Greene. Both young hitters are among Baseball America’s top five overall minor league talents, and each had excellent late-season showings with Triple-A Toledo last year. Whether either of Torkelson or Greene will make the Opening Day roster is one of the biggest questions for the organization.
Avila denied that service time considerations would play a role in whether to carry those players out of camp. “When a player is ready to come up, and the team is ready to go, there’s no reason to hold a player back. I was not taught that way,” the GM said, via Petzold. “I also believe I’m not arrogant enough to think that I could hold a guy back and we’re going to get by and we’re going to make the playoffs anyway. You got to go full bore from Day 1. Those few games at the beginning could mean everything at the end. That’s the way I was taught. Our decision is going to be to put the best team on the field where we can win and get to the playoffs.”
To be clear, that’s not a formal declaration that either of Greene or Torkelson will break camp. Avila said the front office will “know it when we see it” when asked about when those players will be ready for their debuts. There’d seem to be a real opportunity for either to open the year on the MLB roster. Putting Torkelson at first could allow Jonathan Schoop to kick back to second base, which might otherwise be manned by Willi Castro or Harold Castro. Greene could be an option for either left or center field, where he’d presumably be complemented by Akil Baddoo and Robbie Grossman, with Víctor Reyes moving into a fourth outfield role.
TIGERS
I’m quite tired of Victor Reyes in any role.
Hello, Newman
Yes, man I thought I was the only one.
johnnyzz
Make that at least three.
Assdribble_Cabrera
Make that four.
detroitdave84
Get him out of here already 4a player
YakAttack
Would you rather see Hill or Daz hit .190 as the 3rd OF, or Reyes? Baddoo, Grossman, and Reyes are the best we have right now until Greene shows he’s ready. Then, unless Akil regains his first-half form, he’s the weak link.
Hello, Newman
I don’t want to see any one of those 3 in the lineup. Ever-ever again. Sign conforto, trade for meadows or kemp or any competent of’er.
tstats
Grossman is a good hitter
YakAttack
I agree, Newman. I’m just sorting through the mediocre jungle I see.
dsett75
Grossman is an on-base machine!! And a 20/20 “threat”. I wouldn’t have minded maybe signing Bryant and using Baddoo, amongst others, in a package for a SPer. Too late for Bryant now (Rockies) and Castellanos is about to sign with Philly. Just like Schwarber did.
TIGERS
Greene is ready. He can do what any of those three can do, I’m sure.
hitztheball
I like Hill as the 4th outfielder. Hit 260, a little pop, excellent defense and a good base runner. Maybe a minor change of scenery trade with Reyes
stymeedone
Hill and Cameron have each had a cup of coffee, hardly enough to make any decision. Reyes, for anyone paying attention, changed his stance in the 2nd half and became more upright at the plate. He showed improved power, and continued that performance in winter league. Conforto costs a pick, was terrible offensively, and is barely average in the OF. Meadows is also poor defensively, and will cost prospects. If Detroit gets to the end of June and no one steps forward, that’s the time to consider adding an OF.
Hello, Newman
I get it if they were great in aaa and aa, but they haven’t been good for awhile.
dugdog83
Agreed, and both Castro’s.
BSHH
@TIGERS:
What made you tired of Reyes recently? Was it the fact that he was Detroit’s best hitter in the second half of 2021?
Gruß,
BSHH
Walewanderscurtains
Tigers have enough failed prospects that they could send to the A’s for either pitcher: Daz Cameron, Isaac Paredes, Bryan Garcia, Plus overrated vets like Joe Jiminez and Willi Castro
JrodFunk5
I don’t think Paredes is a failure yet. He is close, but not yet.
Hello, Newman
Heck yes! I’ll take Tony Kemp too
tigerdoc616
If you believe these are failed prospects, then why would Oakland want them?
Bottom line is that the A’s will want real talent in return for either Manaea or Montas, not our throw always. This is why I don’t see us making a deal here. We should not part with the type of prospects the A’s will want for either.
Hello, Newman
They aren’t asking for the moon. The Chapman deal was fair, I’d actually say it was a Toronto lean
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Al could have taken on salary and done much better. Soderstrom should have been a target along with Puk. Elvis and Piscoty, bloated do nothing for the A’s contracts, guys we could flip, if they turn it around.
The A’s could have kept the team together too.
As it stands,the A’s now have Langliers and Soderstrom. Wow. That’s a pretty good start to a rebuild. I’m jealous.
Hello, Newman
Or, apparently you could just trade for those Athletics guys when they’re in their prime. Lol
The Saber-toothed Superfife
In fact, I can’t believe they got Gunner Hoglund.
The A’s rebuild just started and they are already kicking the carp out of it. Did more in 2 days than Al did in 5 flipping years……
I better not blink or the Phils will be sending the Painter…..
They are making Al look really, really…bad.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Im just now reviewing what the A’s have done…my head is about to explode.
TIGERS
Agree. Every organization already has their own versions of failed prospects.
stymeedone
Agreed Doc. Oakland has yet to acquire a player with less than 5 years of control in any of their recent trades. As to those that think Paredes is a failure, this will be his second year at Toledo and he’s 23 years old. He may not be ready yet, but he’s a keeper.
TheChampIsHere
Yeah, Paredes legit just turned 23 three weeks ago. Far from a failed prospect.
Hello, Newman
I agree, not a failed prospect.
Walewanderscurtains
What position do you start him at?
Hello, Newman
Utility
Walewanderscurtains
He’s a defensive liability
GarryHarris
I think the Tigers are the ones who failed these prospects. Rule 5 Victor Reyes then sit him on the bench. That pretty much sums up all the Tiger position prospects.
Crunchtime1969
They see Detroit as having a “geographical disadvantage”. . I wonder why.
YakAttack
I do too. I live 40 minutes away from Comerica, and in the #6 best city to live according to Niche, and many other outlets.
rellime 2
Because Greinke never played here and he wanted to play somewhere he’s comfortable.
tigerdoc616
Exactly. Some people fail reading comprehension, or fail to read the story at all. Greinke started in KC so he is familiar with it. Not sure why some others failed to understand that.
YakAttack
Doc…I don’t see it as a zero sum game. KC can have an advantage without other cities having a “disadvantage.”
dugdog83
Avila said they were in on grenike but couldn’t provide him the comfort of spring training being 30 min from home and going back to where he started. 18 year career and probably ending there.
GarryHarris
Detroit! Need I say more?
dsett75
Greinke is a head case prone to panic attacks. I am too so I’m not judging, lol…..just saying he’s comfy under the radar with a team he knows…is why Detroit is at a geographical disadvantage.
User 2079935927
I love to have Montas on the Angels. But the A’s won’t trade him to a division rival.
LordD99
Ok, all 29 teams have contacted the A’s about their two starters.
Asfan0780
Just trade them ASAP, it’s inevitable so as an A’s fan I just want it over with. Send trivino packing too, him and his bullpen buddies contributed to last years implosion down the stretch
stymeedone
As a fallback option, I wouldn’t mind bringing Smyly back to Motown as the #5.
Walewanderscurtains
I trust Tyler Alexander @ 5
TroyVan
I trust Tyler Alexander the most as a #6 starter, capable of the occasional spot start and long reliever. Todd is trustworthy, but he proved he’s the best in that role.
Assdribble_Cabrera
It might be early, but I’m surprised some jackass hasn’t suggested the A’s get Tork or Greene for Manaea or Montas.
wright0525
Totally random, but, does anybody else believe that Correa might end up a Tiger? I know he turned the offer, but could he circle back and ask for 10/300, with a few opt outs? Baez could play third, and trade JC and a prospect for a solid starter.
Assdribble_Cabrera
No, but I like your idea.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
If Al was smart, he’d be in it just to drive up the price, AFTER, he let’s somebody give him prospects for taking on salary… because they want in on it…..
Something we can handle…$10M signing bonus, $27M first year, team option 7x $32M….of course, we want to trade him, no way picking up the option….does he go for the big year? Or with someone else’s guaranteed money?…..in any case, you are making the competition pay MORE or have an additional trade piece……
Walewanderscurtains
Extreme long-shot at this point
tigersgm
Reyes can go hill is better defensively.
Cray MC
Avila has generally gone up in my estimation (since the day he hired AJ Hinch), and I assume many others feel the same. I wasn’t surprised, but disappointed that he said service considerations wouldn’t affect whether Greene or Tork make the opening day roster.
“I was not taught that way.” Wha-a-a-a-t? Any GM in MLB in the last 10 years was absolutely “taught that way,” or they were unteachable.
Now that there’s labor peace for 5 years, rules on service time didn’t change, and the owners have already won this point in arbitration, why not admit this permitted consideration will possibly have an effect?
Besides, from a home-team fan’s perspective, an extra year of team control over a desirable player is a GOOD thing.
AceKing
But if they think they can win with them, then that matters now to this team.
downeysoft42
Probably so they can not bring them up opening day and just say they weren’t ready and avoid the whole manipulation conversation with the media which there is guaranteed to be articles about it if he admits to keeping them down due to an extra year of control and how pitiful that is, whether it’s true or not.
HBan22
Alex Faedo, Paul Richan and Ryan Kriedler for Sean Manaea and Lou Trivino. Who says no?
Jubilation
Oakland would laugh for 5 straight minutes at that offer.
Hello, Newman
Faedo’s only value is the fact he was a 1st rounder 5 years ago. It stinks to say as a Tiger fan, but it’s true. The potential is still there for the organization, but it’s too much of a liability for a center piece. Check out baseballtradevalues.com, it’s a nice website for analyzing trades
Walewanderscurtains
Wencel Perez, Daz Cameron, and Tyler Madden
Walewanderscurtains
Wencel Perez, Daz Cameron, and Tyler Madden or offer two: Jimenez, Willi Castro, and Paredes
Cray MC
AceKing – I agree but Avila doesn’t have to be so cagey about it. I believe if you ran an experiment and took a bunch of baseball fans of a team and said, “Would you rather get [insert rookie prospect] on the MLB team 2 weeks sooner or have them with the MLB team 1 year longer?”, fans rooting for the Tigers would opt for those guys to come up the last week in April 2022 and have the window of contention for this group be one year longer.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I would rather they don’t occupy a spot on the 26-man roster at all. Those spots should be used for trade bait.
Those guys should be playing with several other guys of that caliber….not the hopes of this team resting entirely on the shoulders of 2 rookie prospects.
You guys are gonna be real sad if Mizes final year of arbitration rolls around….and we haven’t won it yet….because why?
Tiger fans were so easily placated.
They tanked and that was it.
A very inept rebuild.
Mr. Chris Illich did not invest in the future of this team.
Mr. Al Avila’s activities were very passive, to say the least.
A very inept rebuild.
Met with a series of bad luck….and nothing was done to counter.those hick-ups….
weird things happen in baseball…they.have to play the games and we’ll see what happens…
I want Tiger fans to realize…as long as we have been rebuilding…we have very, very FEW top prospects.
It has been horrible.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
On a non-rebuild team, a team that is already cruising? At that point.you wouldn’t worry about it because the system is full. They would just fit right in.
Cruise control.
Cray MC
But downeysoft42, the owners/teams already won the war on this issue. Keeping a player with the home team an extra season, with the rules and background as they’ve played out, should be no more controversial than preferring Montas to Manaea (if you otherwise valued them as equivalent talents, of course) because he comes with an extra year of control (2 years vs. 1).
Jubilation
I think if you are shooting for Montas it is going to take some real prospects to get him.
Just to sit at the table something like Kriedler and Madden. It might take Jobe.
Airo13
Dingler, Kriedler, and Paredes for montas? Guessing Avila is hanging uo the phone when the A’s ask for Manning or Jobe though…
Hello, Newman
I hope he wouldn’t do Manning or Jobe, for Montas. But, that’s probably ideal for what it would take to get him.
damian56x
Tigers aren’t that strong of a potential contender yet to give up their blue chip prospects for more established young pitching. Maybe next year.