The Freddie Freeman bidding has a new entrant, as MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Red Sox have joined the fray. They’ll join a field that has already included the Yankees, Blue Jays, Dodgers and, somewhat surprisingly, the Rays. Tampa Bay reportedly made an offer to Freeman prior to the lockout, and Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times reported last night that the Rays remain interested. However, he suggests their interest is limited to a shorter-term deal — presumably at what would be a massive annual rate. That doesn’t appear too likely, of course, given the interest from larger-market clubs with deep pockets. As of yesterday afternoon, reports indicated that the Yankees were “pessimistic” about their chances of signing Freeman, while other clubs viewed the Blue Jays as a serious threat.
A Freeman signing would give the BoSox an elite heart-of-the-order grouping, as he’d join Xander Bogaerts, Rafael Devers and J.D. Martinez in composing the team’s two-through-five hitters. Adding Freeman to the fold would likely mean supplanting 26-year-old Bobby Dalbec at first base, though even with his big finish to the 2021 season, Dalbec isn’t going to serve as a roadblock to a superstar of Freeman’s caliber. Dalbec struggled through a dismal first half before slashing .269/.344/.611 in his final 195 plate appearances, although he did so in spite of a 31.3% strikeout rate and still finished the year with an overall batting line of .240/.298/.494.
The larger question for the Red Sox is likely a matter of payroll — more specifically, the luxury tax. Last week’s newly ratified collective bargaining agreement bumped the tier-one threshold for penalization from $210MM to $230MM, but the Sox are already at about $209MM of luxury obligations (via Roster Resource’s Jason Martinez). Adding Freeman to the mix would send Boston soaring past that mark. The Sox have paid the tax in the past, but more recently ownership has been staunchly against doing so. Freeman is the type of player for whom many clubs might consider an exception, but it’s not yet clear whether Boston would feel that way or whether any Freeman interest is contingent on moving other salary.
If the Sox are indeed willing to pay the tax, it’d likely only be a one-year dip into those waters. Boston’s luxury obligations will plummet following the season, dropping from the current $209MM level all the way to $75MM. That doesn’t even include the possibility of Bogaerts opting out of his six-year, $120MM contract — which seems quite likely and would further shave another $20MM from that luxury ledger. The Red Sox have Martinez, Nathan Eovaldi, Jackie Bradley Jr., Christian Vazquez, Enrique Hernandez, Michael Wacha, Rich Hill, Matt Strahm and Kevin Plawecki all coming off the books following the 2022 season.
Again, that doesn’t make it any kind of lock that they’ll be comfortable putting forth a multi-year deal of six years in the $30MM annual value range, which is generally believed to be where Freeman’s asking price currently lies. But there’s a clear on-paper fit and the long-term payroll flexibility to make it work, as MLBTR’s Anthony Franco noted when picking the Sox to sign Freeman back in November.
Wherever Freeman lands, it’s become quite clear that he’s set to move on from the only organization he’s ever known. The Braves acquired Matt Olson in a trade with the Athletics yesterday — a move that president of baseball operations Alex Anthopoulos called the toughest transaction of his lengthy executive career while fighting back tears (video link via Bally Sports). Anthopoulos noted multiple times that he couldn’t “get into specifics” as to why the deal was so difficult to make, though the implication was clear.
Milwaukee-2208
Shameful Braves smh
samthebravesfan
They literally can’t afford to be sentimental.
bravesfan
I mean, we have clear access to their financials…. They actually can afford to be sentimental.. lol if it’s smart or not is a different question, but money is no excuse for the braves if they truly wanted freeman.
Jon429
We do know their financials, but what we don’t know is how much of that money is available to spend on player salaries. Braves are still straddled with more than a half billion in debt on two new ballparks. Plus they have other needs to fill than 1B. Like signing 2/3 of an outfield to start the season. They’ll also probably still sign a veteran SP.
802Ghost
Smart gm’s don’t get smart by over paying based on feelings.
This is on freeman as well.
However, as a Braves fan from Vt, I can handle him on my #2 team.
Scott Kliesen
Fans have a hard time believing their beloved Superstars will ever fall from grace, but savvy GM’s don’t afford themselves that luxury. Look no further than Albert Pujols and Miggy Cabrera as recent examples of why AA chose not to give Freeman the years/money he demanded.
IMHO, it’s smart to let one of the Aircraft Carrier franchises take on his contract and either sink or swim with it for the next 6 years.
jocspearls
The Braves did the right thing. Obviously we all want Freeman back, but they couldn’t bank on that. They didn’t trade for Olson because they didn’t want Freeman. They traded for Olson because they didn’t want Rizzo. The clock was ticking.
nodnarbz
Yep. It was a game of chicken and Freddie’s reps weren’t blinking so they were left holding the bag.
SoCalBrave
This is exactly what happened. I bet the A’s called with an ultimatum and AA didn’t want to risk being left without Freeman or Olsen and he had to choose.
getrealgone2
Yup. Braves called Fred’s bluff.
RunDMC
No shame in the game. They landed his best replacement when they couldn’t find middle ground. What would be shameful is losing him and having to settle for Rizzo, etc. Glad someone finally pulled the trigger, as difficult as that could be.
JoeBrady
The whole concept is silly. Everyone wants their favorite player to re-sign, but there is no such thing as ‘sign at all costs’. Last year, there were 9 hitters out there between ages 34-37, that had a fWAR > 1.7. That means there is a pretty decent chance that 4 of the 6 years he wants will be roughly replacement level.
KyleT
Atlanta gave up alot to get Olson. They did get the best replacement, but the cost was a lot more than the money that Freeman would have wanted.
RunDMC
The cost was great – sure – but take in mind that FF has a QO attached and when he signs elsewhere, ATL gets a comp pick that can essentially replace one of those picks. Susick was 2021 #24 overall pick and the comp pick wouldn’t be too far from that in new draft. AA also mentioned this being the START of the off-season for ATL, so expect more to come. By including Shea, they got to keep Michael Harris and much of the pitching prospects they’ve been herding.
Samuel
@ EasyPeasy;
The cost you’re looking at is not the complete picture……
What is the cost when they don’t have the money in 2-3 years to retain a fairly young pitcher and/or cornerstone position player because of the contract they gave Freddie?
getrealgone2
Exactly. Gonna dump all your eggs in one basket for Freeman. Not a chance. That’s why AA is damn good.
KyleT
@Samuel
“retain a fairly young pitcher and/or cornerstone position player . . .”
I think its you not looking at the complete picture. . .You would have a replacement for cheaper money in Pache, Langeliers, Cusick or Estes. Now they’re all gone, 2 of them Top 100 Players.
Olson for 2 years, or Freeman for 6 plus all those prospects. Im not seeing the Win you are.
kynyrd skynyrd
He had $150 mil/5yr on the table and didn’t take it. They couldn’t wait any longer. He’s as much to blame.
teddyk
No he didn’t. It was $135/5..just saying
dsett75
They said screw Freeman over 1 year. Then went out & emptied the farm for a .250 hitter. I like Olson though & am a Tigers fan so it makes no difference to me. Just weird cuz all that was over a 6th year, apparently.
getrealgone2
That’s your only qualifier? His BA? HAH
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
No shame on me for not taking a hometown discount. Money is everything to me.
Fred McGriff
@Milwaukee-2208
If Freddie wanted to remain a Brave he could have accepted 5/135. Therefore, how is it “shameful Braves”?
bamck
I think beyond payroll the bigger question is how a move like this would impact Casas. He should be ready within the year. It seems likely that he’d become a trade candidate if they actually signed Freeman. That said, I don’t see it happening.
all in the suit that you wear
Agreed. The Red Sox interest may just be to bid up the price on the Yankees and Rays if they are interested.
deweybelongsinthehall
Could very well be to insure he ends up in LA but I wouldn’t ignore Boston. The team got under the tax purposely to reset and one year over is not a big deal. They will spend next year too whether it’s to extend Boegarts and Eovaldi or even JDM who apparently wants to stay in Boston or for new blood. Give Bloom credit for rebuilding the farm, competing and getting under the tax threshold. Some was a given but overall he gets high marks in my book.
all in the suit that you wear
Dewey: Anything is possible. I give Bloom a lot of credit and I think he is likely avoiding big contracts until the young core (Casas, Yorke, Mayer,etc.) are up with the team.
deweybelongsinthehall
It’s a balancing act because you don’t know how the supposed studs translate in the big leagues and Boston being the market it is, you can’t just wait and see. Fans have gotten spoiled in New England but they really have little choice. As great as market it is NESN ratings go down considerably when the team is not good.
stymeedone
Is it the Red Sox interest, or John Heyman tweeting that they have interest that will increase his price. As a player, Freeman is a good fit. But this does not look like something Bloom would do.
deweybelongsinthehall
Forget Bloom in Tampa. He arrived to clean up the financials and to reset the farm. It means nothing though if they don’t win. Epstein, Sherrington and Dembrowski all brought duckboat parades to the Charles River and nothing less is expected from Bloom.
all in the suit that you wear
Boston may have made only one call to Freeman’s agent to check on his current asking price and Heyman can report it as showing interest.
deweybelongsinthehall
True but as I’ve stated, they are a big market club and Bloom eventually has to win.
Poundsy24
They made it to the ALCS last year and no one picked them to make the playoffs.
deweybelongsinthehall
True and Kudos to Bloom. That said doesn’t it remind you of the Yankees in 19? Means nothing if you don’t follow up with improvement.
123redsox
I don’t think Casas would become a trade candidate. I think you’d see Freeman get more at bats at DH which would allow Martinez to slide to get more corner outfield ABs. And it takes the pressure off of Casas to have to make an immediate impact
Albert Belle's corked bat
JD will not play the outfield corner. What are you smoking???
123redsox
What am I smoking? Every year of his career he’s seen time in the corner outfield. What are you on? JD averages about 45 games per year in the sox outfield (excluding the shortened season). If Casas comes up with 40 games left, and Martinez DHs three times per week, sits once and plays outfield once per week over those 40 games, that’s about 8 games in the outfield!
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed. You also need that extra bat/glive as injuries will affect a club. Remember when Yukki sat in the 07 WS. What a great problem to have even with a DH.
Poundsy24
Let’s not forget that time JDM tripped over the base jogging out to his position and sprained his ankle last year. Pretty sure he missed the one game playoff vs Yanks because of it. The less OF time for him, the better. No range, and bad routes. Maybe hide him in LF during home games.
deweybelongsinthehall
Funny thing is left field is for those with no arm but it’s not easy to play and you can’t hide
KyleT
If Freeman is signed, I think that means End of Days for Martinez. He’s an easy trade candidate with lots of NL teams looking for a DH, and his short contract. Plus, it would help Red Sox dip below SC.
steve011
Agree with everything you said except when you got to the part about JD playing the OF.
I think this is a smart move for the Sox at the end of the day. They play Freeman at first in year one, give Casas one more year and JD at DH.
Where I differ is year two, where they should let JD walk, slide Freeman over to DH and insert Casas at first, knowing you have a backup plan in Freeman if he struggles a la Duran.
Kennyb217
I think it would be more likely JD gets traded. Maybe they can fleece the morons in Colorado and send him there.
deweybelongsinthehall
Why would you trade your best right handed hitter? Not unless you get something good back or also get a righty bat for RF.
KyleT
To obtain Freeman, trading Martinez to stay under the cap is probably the plan. Also, its debatable Martinez is the best right handed hitter (Bogaerts?).
Freeman (L) 133 OPS+
Devers (L) 132
Bogaerts (R) 127
Martinez (R) 126
Hernandez (R) 107
Dalbec (R) 105
Martinez is a valuable hitter, but that line up could spare a righty bat, and still be one of the best hitting teams in baseball, plus have an improved defense. (Dalbec is a negative defender at 1B).
sox4ever
Trade casas for pitching. Freeman is a stud and does not look like he’ll slow down. At 1B he may keep up his current production through his next contract. I’d sign Freeman and trade casas in a heartbeat
vtbaseball
4ever- are you insane? Who trades there #1 prospect?!? There’s no way Casas gets traded. He has the potential to be an integral part of the team for years.
deweybelongsinthehall
Never say never. Boston traded Moncada in the Sale deal and Atlanta just traded big prospects for Olsen. Going back to 11, what about the trade that brought Agon to Boston? Depends on your win now mentality, finances and remaining farm.
Poundsy24
4ever – it’s insane, but I like it. Freeman is a proven commodity. You don’t know what you have with Casas at the big league level. Packaging Dalbec as a 3B and Casas as a 1B would open some doors in the trade market. They could acquire a controllable arm if they’re willing to include Casas in a deal, or a young OF or SS.
Don’t sleep on the Red Sox. They have a lot of young, controllable, MLB-ready pieces to make a move. Dalbec, Duran, Houck, Whitlock. If they wanted to, they could make a big splash.
If JDM and Bogey leave next year, there’s a hole at SS that needs filling but you still have a core of Freeman, Devers, Verdugo. As good as Bogey is, I’m not sure I want to pay $30/year into his mid-late 30s. With contracts spiking, there will and has been greater emphasis on the draft and development strategy, so it’s encouraging to see the Sox build up the farm while also remaining competitive with solid FA finds like Renfroe and Kike to fill voids where needed. Mayer is still YEARS away from filling the gap, but having that in-house is already a win, so you don’t have to drop $35/year on a Correa. You don’t need to pay $25/year on guys to remain competitive. You can pay Renfroe $3/year and get just a little less quality than a Giancarlo Stanton AND! Renfroe stayed on the field to actually recoup that investment! Throwing money won’t always solve an issue, might even create more.
Anyway, Freeman is guy I would throw money at and figure the rest out after. Never hurts to have too many good players.
deweybelongsinthehall
Their not trading young pitching studs. Houck and a Whitlock will make or break their careers in Boston barring injuries.
kenly0
Exactly. With Casas waiting for his chance. I doubt they actually sign Freeman.
photoguy11579
Nats are the sleeper
tstats
Lowkey that would be a a scary lineup at the core.
Escobar
Soto
Freeman
Cruz
Bell? (Maybe he moves to RF?)
If kieboom gets hit stuff together
Kiebert can take
??? (2B)
Robles??
deweybelongsinthehall
Will Freeman accept deferred money? Can’t see the Nats at this point because the Dodgers for one will probably match in present dollars what the Nats will offer including deferred.
Poundsy24
Freeman might prefer deferred money. Get paid well after your playing days? Yes please.
deweybelongsinthehall
You take deferred money only when things are not equal.
aussiegiants53
What’s JDM owed this season? Giants could take him with a mid level prospect attached, would help the lineup with a bit of thump to it. Free up some cash for the Red Sox to go after FF
seamaholic 2
JD’s still a fantastic hitter. You’re not getting him without a significant package going to Boston.
Dustyslambchops23
Significant package for 1 year of a relatively expensive one dimensional player?
Don’t count on it.
JoeBrady
Yup, JD is about market-priced. Nothing much is going back and forth either way.
tstats
It would still cost a lot to pry JD from the redsox who plan to contend this year
deweybelongsinthehall
This could just be posturing but see link:
mlb.com/news/j-d-martinez-on-future-with-red-sox-2…
JDM says he wants to stay. Given how he rejected free agency three times regardless of the reason, he could go take less to stay or go year to year.
TalkSomeSense
JDM has very little trade value. Unless the Sox ate some of his salary. No one is giving up much for a DH making 20+m with one year of control.
KyleT
“JDM has very little trade value” I beg to differ. First off, his pay is 19.3M not “20+”. Im not saying he has a lot of trade value. But, there is no reason they have to eat any of his salary. 3.0 WAR on a one year contract. Also, this is a unique year to be moving a DH. It is much easier considering that many NL teams are looking for a solid option.
TalkSomeSense
“IF” he can repeat last years numbers at age 34 . That is a big if at an age many players face steep declines. However for the sake of argument let’s say he can and 19.3m is close enough to 20m . Allow 8m per War to break even he’d need to return 2.5War to be worth that money and many teams can find a much easier route to that 2.5 War. Factoring in logical regression at the age 34 he is much more likely to be closer to that 2.5 rather then 3 which would make his contract have ZERO surplus value. At Best he would get a mid level prospect in a teams 15-20 range . That’s at best- in no way does he warrant a “haul” that some Sox fans seem to believe.
KyleT
Sure, glad youre changing your tune from “eating salary”. I feel his value is a bit higher. But its not the return Red Sox are looking for, just the Cap room. Freeman is the better hitter, and better glove at 1B than Dalbec.
TalkSomeSense
How Am I changing my tune? Go re-read what I initially said. ” Unless the Sox ate some of his salary. No one is giving up much for a DH making 20+m with one year of control.”
I would not consider a prospect in the 15-20 range to be a haul to get more the Sox would indeed have to eat some of that salary.
You are totally overlooking the opportunity cost of acquiring JDM. the 19.3m could be spent elsewhere and provide as much value while retaining the prospect.
This is not 2014, most teams now including the new NL teams see the benefit of leaving the DH spot open to rest other regulars.
I am not debating that he is a good player at 19.3 m, what I am saying is that no one will give up much and take on the full salary for 1 yr of a DH only type.
KyleT
Opportunity cost? Who you gonna get right now for 19.3 million anywhere close to JDM? Market is about finished. There are two types of players left, mega stars that are 120+Mil or Scrubs. Give me a list of all these great opportunities.
TalkSomeSense
Opportunity cost does not mean a team has to go spend on a DH – they could go get a couple good relievers for that . After all didn’t the Sox just sign Diekman. They could send cash and that prospect to another team for a position player.
Opportunity cost means you spend 19.3m on a DH is 19.3m you no longer have to spend somewhere else. Most teams operate within a budget you know that right?
KyleT
You don’t trade Martinez to a team looking for a Relief Pitcher. For example, Red Sox aren’t looking for any more relief pitchers right now. Teams don’t add players just because they can, they have to fill a need. And right now every NL team has to fill a DH position FAST. ST starts this week. There are 15 teams that officially found out last week they have to man a new position–DH. The trade candidate for the Red Sox would come from one of them.
TalkSomeSense
Ok let’s wait and see which team send 2x top ten prospects to the Sox for JDM.
KyleT
“2x top ten prospect” Making up stuff? So weak.
TalkSomeSense
Question- When was the last time any team gave up anything of value for one year of a mid 30’s DH type making 20m? You seem to think it’s 2014 and all NL teams will be rushing out to fill the DH spot with a DH only type.
GareBear
JDM’s contract isn’t an albatross and he is productive. Doubt the Red Sox trade him and if they did, they sure as hell wouldn’t be attaching prospects.
Poundsy24
Yeah pretty sure $19/year for .300+ and 30+ homer guy in the middle of the lineup is a good deal. Some regression the last couple of years and a little streaky but that price is good especially with the DH opening up to whole league. Plus his contract is nearly up anyway so the Sox will have the ability to re-sign or pay arb guys like Devers and Verdugo. His production is worth the price.
That said, it’s Bloom’s job to answer the phone. Can’t imagine at JDMs age that he’s definitively off the table, especially if the Sox grab a guy like Freeman. Maybe at the deadline if they fall out of contention the Sox would be more willing to entertain an offer, but that also brings JDM closer to free agency and would reduce the price tag on him. I suspect the Sox keep him unless they get a couple of mid-tier prospects with starting potential… maybe a guy that isn’t well-known yet but lights up the minors
Dalbec 3B, Freeman 1B, Devers DH
Bogey SS, need a 2B
Verdugo LF, Kike CF, JBJ RF
Vasquez/Plawecki C
Then of course you have guys like Duran, Arroyo and whoever else you want to sign or call up. Maybe Casas tries his hand in LF, who knows. Maybe Downs regains his prospect shine. A lot of variables that they can assess along the way.
bamck
With the universal DH, the cost to acquire JD would be fairly high, relative to other one year contracts. He’s been mostly outstanding the last 7-8 years with the shortened 2020 season being the only aberration.
Captain Judge99
Of course the Red Sox are interested in Freddie Freeman just to raise his price for other teams. Definitely makes sense.
NostraThomas
If this is for real then they’re out on Suzuki, who seemed like a pretty good fit for them at half the cost.
deweybelongsinthehall
Their investigating to cover all bases.
rhswanzey
Dang, well, that would be fun
whyhayzee
Freddie is not free, man.
junkmale
I’m rooting for him to sign with Toronto.
tstats
Either Toronto to screw the Yanks or my dodgers. No one else can have Frederick!
yeah, sure!
secretsatan! I love your avatar & username
junkmale
Thanks. I’ll send you an invite to the clubhouse.
kingbum
Ownership has made exceptions before, it just depends on where do they view the team. If there is any second guessing about going after FF it’d be because the FO believes the team over achieved last year and is taking a step back. If they believe FF could push them towards a WS then Henry would gladly pull the trigger. We are about to see where Boston FO views the team.
trueblue442
Wow! A blatant ploy to get NYY and TB to pay more… Just awful that ATL has already moved on.
JoeBrady
The season starts in 23 days. They can’t wait forever for Freeman to squeeze out every last dollar. For all we know, Freeman might have all told Atlanta he was finished. This could be like Betts.
NostraThomas
Tampa won’t pony up what it costs, and it makes no sense for him to sign short term at 32 years old.
Toronto makes no sense with Vlad already there and his being a superior offensive player already with upside. DH is not worth the money or stunting Vlad’s growth.
Boston is doing due diligence here. If Suzuki signs with San Diego, this is their best alternative to boosting their offense. I really don’t buy it, though.
He fits a need with the Yankees, but at what cost? If it was the missing piece to a title, I’d be all in. I think they could win with a healthy Rizzo(who knows how COVID affected him), or even DJ and Voit(though not exactly what you want defensively).
The fact we’ve heard nothing about Rizzo at all concerns me. I expect movement pretty quickly over the next 48 hours.
JoeBrady
Like a lot of others have said, I seriously doubt that this is real interest. This is Freeman’s last big contract, so he isn’t taking a, say $75M/2 deal. We have an okay 1B, with a better one on his way. Ain’t happening. Similar to the Yankees leak saying they were doubtful. All misdirection.
Bostonsportsforlife
but with JDM up at the end of this year, they could be looking to the future and it may not include either him or Xander. they’d need a name and a bat. Freeman is both.
MLB-1971
Wrong player, wrong age, wrong price, wrong position, not happening!
If Freeman were a 27 year old short stop, with four years of control, and gold glove range and arm then yes Bloom would be interest if the player was not looking for $30,000,000 per year.
Poundsy24
Freeman is a guy you could roll the dice on. He’s got a swing and game that ages well and he’s a proven commodity and leader. He’d be fun to have in the clubhouse.
That said, they could go cheaper with Rizzo or roll the dice on Suzuki.
My heart wants Freeman, my head wants Rizzo.
This would make Dalbec available in a deal that I’m sure would open some doors on a possible deal for an upgrade elsewhere.
Dustyslambchops23
This is what I’ve been worried about.
butch779988
Makes no sense on almost any level. Casas on the way. Not happening.
bravesfan
Boston has a short right field and he’s an elite player with a proven history of success. Casas hasnt proven a thing yet. Money is the only consideration, cause this is a no brainer for the Sox otherwise
JoeBrady
I’d make a serious wager that Casas WAR/$$$ is higher than Freeman’s over the next 6 years.
Samuel
@ JoeBrady;
I can’t project Casas, but a few quick points…..
Freddie Freeman is a solid player. A team leader. A fan favorite. An excellent defender at 1B as well as a consistent hitter with a decent amount of power. He’s 32 years-old and wants a 6 year contract at large money.
Think Adrian Gonzalez as a comp. Same body type (not terribly athletic). Same demeaner. Same qualities as listed above.
Gonzalez slowly got old in his early 30’s. At age 35 deteriorated quickly. Ended his career at age 36.
Mr. Freeman wants a contract till age 38.
I don’t know what data Chiam Bloom and/or his staff are looking at, and I doubt they make my comparison. But I think they will see data that shows that Freddie Freemans’ risk/reward is not great at the price point he and his agents are asking.
One other thing – I don’t see the demand for Freeman from other teams at his asked price. I believe a half-dozen teams are interested, but I believe they can easily move on without him.
KyleT
Samuel: What Freeman “wants” and what he gets, are two different things. If he is steadfast in getting a 6 year deal, I doubt Red Sox interest will continue. Find it hard to believe any team will be interested in 6 years.
Samuel
@ EasyPeasy;
Agree on the money. We have no clue about the perks requested.
Freeman is one of those players in team sports that is worth far more to the team he’s on than to any other team. That has to do with his tenure, relationship with those in the organization, his teammates, and the teams fans.
I believe he got conned by his agents. He’ll find that he won’t be as happy playing elsewhere, will always be welcomed in Atlanta, and could well wind up playing for the Braves in 2 years when Olsen’s contract expires or maybe later. Who knows.
tstats
Freeman will not be using pesky pole as a HR spot. He is more straightaway right which is no shallow OF
KyleT
Freeman cant aim 10 Degrees more to his Right? Come on.
Bruin1012
Bravesfan Boston doesn’t have a short right field in fact besides right down the line to Pesky pole is short but it juts out very quickly. The reality is Fenway park is one of the harder parks to hit home runs to right. I think you meant to say Fenway has a short left field which is true but you have to hit the ball with some lift to get it out to left due to the wall. Freeman is a hell of hitter and I’m sure he can adjust and he would help that lineup but it’s not really home run park especially to right field.
I still doubt that the Red Sox are really going after Freeman they will just be there to make sure that some other team doesn’t sign him for a steal now that the Braves are out. Casas will be up sometime this year and Boston needs another outfielder they don’t want to rely on JBJ starting in the outfield ultimately I highly doubt they sign Freeman.
PutPeteinthehall
Don’t believe anyone is paying him 6/180. He should have taken the final offer from the Braves.
prov356
Why not, RJ? A 30m AAV seems reasonable in today’s superstar market.
radatz17
Plan B if they don’t sign Suzuki which is more and more likely?
rocky7
Oh please….did Red Sox Nation really bite down on the fact that Suzuki was in love with Beantown Chowda so much that he was ready to sign as soon as the strike was over……come on man…..he was probably never really considering Boston or any East Coast team including my Yankees.
bobtillman
Gotta love fans who are concerned about Freddie blocking the AMAZING Tristain Casas….MOST LIKELY this year’s edition of Blake Swihart.
Sign the guy; he exudes class, and makes a team that’s pretty boring exciting again. C’mon Jon Henry, do what you told Theo to do…BE BOLD!!!!!
KyleT
“Tristan Casas…MOST LIKELY this year’s edition of Blake Swihart”
Or maybe Mookie Betts or Xander Bogaerts or Raphael Devers or Anthony Rizzo. Keep clinging to Blake Swihart…Thats all you got.
junkmale
What does the little TR medallion under bobtillman’s name represent? I assume “troll rat”?
NashvilleJeff
The “little TR medallion” means that he pays for access to the site’s Trade Rumors Front Office content.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
If Freeman signs with Boston, it would be the first one I got right in the free-agent contest (outside of the gimmes). It doesn’t count because he wasn’t a free agent, but I actually got Olson to the Braves correct as well, though that’s kind of an obvious corollary of feeling Freeman would not re-sign with Atlanta.
Captain Judge99
@JoeBrady- of course he wants 6 years in his last contract. My guess whoever gives Freeman 6 years at about $30 million annually will sign him. Freddie at this point should be happy for 5 years and a club option for a 6th season. I wouldn’t be shocked if Toronto gives Freeman those 6 years. They might go lower with his salary for the lst year and his last two years when he is declining.
JoeBrady
My guess is still the LAD, assuming LAD is truly interested. Why leave your second home, only to go to a 3rd home. He and his wife seem like LA kind of people.
prov356
JoeBrady – I still think Padres based on their long standing desire to dump Hosmer. There’s no chatter about it but I think it’s a possibility, especially with Tatis out for three months. They need a bat.
jim stem
Just curious – I wonder how the no vaccine/no admittance Canadian situation might factor into signings?
JoeBrady
“but more recently ownership has been staunchly against doing so.”
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Not really, and maybe not at all.
They had their one-year reset in 2020, and that’s what other teams do. They didn’t exceed last year, but I think that was more a matter of not knowing whether or not they were contenders.
If you think you are an 85-win team, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to start the 3-year reset cycle. There is absolutely nothing happening that suggests that they won’t be on the two-on, one-off cycle.
LordD99
There’s interest, and then there’s INTEREST. I suspect here it’s the former.
Orioles Fan
He is going to sign with the Marlins. You heard it here first.
junkmale
Could you imagine? That’d be such a prank on MLB. I’d love it.
BloodySox
We probably heard it here last too.
whyhayzee
So is it simple interest or compound interest?
stymeedone
I find this all interesting.
In nurse follars
Red Sox wouldn’t pay for mookie. Braves wouldn’t pay for freeman. Yankees apparently won’t pay for Correa. There are limits. Market economics. When price declines interest grows.
123redsox
2 of the Yankees top prospects are shortstops in Peraza and Volpe. And they’ll be up in a year or 2. No reason to allocate money into blocking them and into an injury prone player, nevertheless. The braves wouldn’t pay Freeman which is true. And the idea the sox wouldn’t pay Mookie is a false narrative. They offered him more than the Dodgers signed him for! Mookie didn’t want to stay in boston!
junkmale
Shhh. Don’t shatter the glass of delusion Boston fans have, in regards to the Mookie Betts situation.
KyleT
Whats the delusion with Mookie?
-Boston was in a bad Salary Cap spot
-Mookie wanted too much money
-Mookie wanted out
-LA has a Money Tree called TimeWarner
-LA is stuck with a declining Mookie for a long time to come
-Boston has moved on
Which one are we delusional about?
fred-3
Mookie wanted out is not true
Salvi
“Mookie wanted out”
He wouldn’t negotiate with Red Sox til he was a Free Agent. Then he negotiates right after getting to LA, before Free Agency. If he wanted to stay in Boston, he would’ve tried to negotiate.
And please don’t give me some generic quote from Mookie, while he was in Boston. Players are coached on what to say to the media.
Jdt8312
And in walks Steve Cohen…
RickEO
Redsox have zero interest in him. Zero
A'sfaninUK
I can see Dalbec for Montas happening if it does though….
RickEO
Tristan casas??
Sky14
Going to take a lot more than Dalbec.
rhswanzey
1) CF Kike
2) 1B Freeman
3) SS Bogaerts
4) 3B Devers
5) LF Martinez
6) RF Verdugo
7) DH Dalbec
8) C Vazquez
9) 2B Arroyo
LF/DH becomes a three-way platoon between JD, Dalbec and JBJ. Dalbec sits against most righties, with JD at DH, Verdugo in LF, JBJ in RF. Against lefties, JD plays LF with JBJ as close/late defensive replacement and Dalbec at DH. Basically, the kind of musical chairs you would see if Schwarber were resigned, which still has not been ruled out.
Sign me up.
RaysFanTL
Rays are probably just trying to drive the cost up for another AL East team
dlw0906
I would love for the Mets to come out of nowhere and sign him. If the Reds can go into tank mode joining perennial tankers like the Pirates then why shouldn’t Cohen just tear through the salary cap,err, I mean “Luxury Tax”. The Mets need another bat pretty badly. I am not sold on Canha or Nimmo (both 4th OF types really). Nimmo is too injury-prone to be counted on. Freeman would be great in clubhouse, be a mentor to Alonso offensively and defensively, and can transition to full-time DH during the latter part of the contract. The Mets have made some nice moves but its an 85 win team right now at best still lacking in power and run production.
jim stem
Just curious, what do you consider “lacking in power”?
I think if power in terms of total bases, especially doubles. Homeruns are SO over rated because 30+ typically comes with 150 plate appearances of zero productions. How many of those 30 homers actually factor into wins? Show me runs produced: add rbi plus runs scored and then subtract homers.
Now, give me a team that hits 40 doubles from top to bottom, I think you have a juggernaut that wears out the opposing pitching staff. It also forces pitchers into the stretch, raises pitch counts, puts stress on defenses and opens holes.
But that’s just my opinion. Homeruns get the headlines and the big contracts. No one cares if you hit 30, drive in 60 and score 50. But of those rbi and runs scored, how many mattered?
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
With the DH now available in the NL, my crystal ball says Freddie Freeman is gonna be a Giant. Five years @ $23 million per. Belt is a great defender at 1B, but he can play LF, too.
Another 107 win season if it happens!
A'sfaninUK
You are never having a season like that ever again lmao yall newbie Giants fans so delusional
goastros123
The irony of A’sfaninUK calling some one else delusional.
Bruin1012
Freeman isn’t signing for that. If he was going to sign for that he would of already signed with the Braves.
A'sfaninUK
This would mean Dalbec to Oakland for Montas or Manaea would probably be out there on the table.
Poundsy24
Manaea would be the more likely fit.
1- Would probably cost less because he’s a FA after this year.
2- Hes a lefty and the Sox have a ton of RHPs (Eovaldi, Pivetta, Houck, Wacha, Whitlock?)… only LHPs are Sale, Hill and Paxton who could very likely all be on the IL at the same time throughout the year. Paxton is already on it! Granted Manaea has injury concerns of his own.
Dalbec would be a good return for a one-year rental, imo. Dalbec seems like the perfect player the A’s covet. Young, versatile, cheap, controllable. Feels like a win-win. If there’s a bidding war, then maybe the Sox throw in a mid-level prospect like someone in their 20-30 range for top 30 prospects.
Goose
The ONLY way the Red Sox sign Freeman is they move J D Martinez to an NL club that wants a proven, veteran bat for the new DH role. With Dalbec in the fold and Casas on the cusp of the majors it is a deal that does not make sense. They need young starting pitching and good bullpen arms. Unless they have a flurry of deals in the works they are going to announce in the next week or two I don’t see that.
With the Sox returning to the days of building the team from within I don’t see any free agent expenditures that block Myers at SS, Yorck at 2B, Dalbec or Casas at 1B. Bloom seems to be the value add GM and forward thinking of who plays 3B if they have to move Devers to 1B/DH, OF organizational depth and rebuilding the farm for pitching.
jim stem
I wonder if the Mets and Sox fit here? Boston doesn’t seem particularly enamored with Dalbec, evidenced by batting him at the bottom of the lineup. But he could be their future dh1/3b2/1b2.
R0cketer
Braves show why they have more or less contended for a long time, even with ownership that is cheaper than it should be. No doubt they wanted Freeman, but apparently after a year of negotiating they knew the sticking point, which is probably the years. They probably were like the rest of us, and knew the Dodgers and Yankees at least were interested, with pockets that go to whatever they need, more or less. They made an aggressive move to get a player that is nearly as impactful, maybe even more so, which is scary. They gave up a good haul of prospects, which is what holds most deals up anymore. Judging by the comments their GM made, it was a tough move but a smart business move. Honestly, the Braves winning may have been why Freeman left, the goal of winning with those guys had been met, he had a ring, so the chase was over, now he could just go purely money, although with the type of money he’s looking at, you’re also most likely going to be on a team that wants to win. As for the Red Sox, they would be stupid to not kick the tires on him. He would fit in well there, and like was said in the article, they have a lot more flexibility next year. They could sign him and form a dangerous mix of Freeman, Devers, Martinez and Dalbec to fill 3 positions, giving some flexibility, Freeman 1st or DH, Dever 3rd, 1st or DH, Martinez DH OF, Dalbec 1B, 3B, DH. Curious if Dalbec could be an emergency outfielder. The next year, Casas is probably fully ready, Martinez most likely is gone, Devers may be, Boggarts, Hernandez, etc. Freeman is also considered a consummate teammate, never hurts to have strong leadership.
Camden453
Freeman wants 7, maybe even 8 years. Because he wants those 500 HRs. He’s thinking Hall of Fame
jem
Braves still looking for an outfielder. They sign Freddie and move Matt to the OF. All is good.
teddyk
I would love to get Freeman in the line up for the Sox. I would offer 5 yrs plus an option on the 6th. $25 mil yrs 1&2, $20 mil yr 3, $15 mil yrs 4&5, $15 mil yr 6 or a $5 mil buyout. Include a $10 mil signing bonus and it’s a guaranteed 115 mil/5yrs with a high of $125 mil for 6 years which seems reasonable for someone of his talent but also turning 33 yrs old by season’s end. It puts him just behind Goldschmidt for AAV for 1B. If it requires more then I would just sit tight with Dalbec and wait for Casas to arrive. If he accepts then I would move Dalbec and a minor league piece (like a Jeter Downs) to Oakland and try to pry away Montas or Manaea. Either one would be a major upgrade to the rotation.
Dodgerbleu
This is a lot less than he was offered by the Braves. A lot less. This is very off from reality.
teddyk
The Braves offered $135 mil/5years..20 million more..but that was before he hit FA and got to see the actual market for him. Had anyone (including the Braves) made a similar offer since he hit free agency? You can ask for the world..what you actually get isn’t always the same.
Salvi
Teddy if that’s your offer, then it’s dead in the water. Plenty of teams would offer more than that. 21M a year AAV for 5 years, and who gets the option? Team or player?
teddyk
I guess it’s dead in the water then. I wouldn’t go more dollars unless it’s for 2 or 3 years. From what I have read he wants 6 years. It also was 23 mil AAV not 21mil..and for the record Matt Olson just signed for 21 mil AAV..8 years but he is also 5 years younger and in his prime as opposed to past it. Again, I stand by the offer I had originally put forth, if player says no, I don’t lose sleep, I just move on in a different direction. Kris Bryant would look good in Boston..love the versatility.
teddyk
The option can be mutual option. I would also be fine with an opt out after year 2 and year 3, similar to how “underpaid” JD Martinez always had the chance to walk for a bigger paycheck.
bobtillman
It really is amazing. Debating the merits of Freddie Freeman vs. Bobby Dalbec and Tristain Casas….really, mom and dad, you dropped me off on the wrong planet.
Or being concerned about how the Sox, likely the biggest cash cow in professional sports, (if they’re not #1, they’re close) will “afford” a player of Freeman’s ability. Or what effect Freddie would have on a lineup that’s wonderful up the middle, and pedestrian elsewhere. Or the effect that ability would have on a pitching staff that’s “iffy”, to be kind.
Be bold; sign the guy.
teddyk
I don’t think I was debating the merits between the players. Not sure how you got that other than that was what you wished to see so you can comment. I simply stated what I would comfortably offer if I was GM and I would think they would regret offering more. I would up the AAV for a shorter deal, but as history has shown time and time again, long high value contracts end up being mistakes.
KyleT
Making a commitment to Freddie Freeman, is risky. He will be 38 at the end of a 6 year contract. Especially when you have one of the top 30 prospects in all of baseball playing at Triple A. Its not like Casas is in Single A and has that ranking due to his draft status (Marcelo Mayer). He has torn up minors, and Olympics last summer and looks legit.
So do you take on a great hitter at age 32, who could be a salary albatross in 3 years, or wait and see if you have a cheap stud (or bust) coming out of Triple A.
If you don’t see why there’s a debate there, you are on the wrong planet.
roob
Very doubtful that the Bosox sign him but it would work for them.
Trade Dalbec for pitching. Next year, Martinez is gone and Casas and Freeman can split 1B and DH.
dclivejazz
As a Nats fan, I can’t believe the Braves are doing Freeman this way. We refer to him affectionately as FFF, and most Nats have fans have a great deal of respect for him. It would be great if he ended up with us but I don’t expect that to happen.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Red Sox aren’t signing him. They’re just driving up the price for other teams.
jim stem
I just can’t believe Freeman and the Braves would part ways. It’s so unfair to Braves fans. And this is from a Mets fan.
spitball
If this is real, and I’m no saying that it is, then it’s a bit more complicated than has been suggested. JD gets traded to a NL team for a 2nd baseman. Casas and another prospect to Oakland for Manea or Montas, Dalbec goes across the diamond to 3rd, with Devers taking over DH. And we still need another outfielder from somewhere.
Conkatonk
Anyone else getting MLB nfts on Candy? New packs look to be dropping soon. Hate to ambush the comments, wish there was a chat section to bring thus up in.
48-team MLB
As a Braves fan, I would prefer that Freeman goes to either Toronto or Boston out of these options. I seriously doubt that Tampa Bay will outbid any of these other teams.
Deucezwild
So hear me out on this.
Billionaire Steve Cohen cuts Cano (for cheating, being terrible and a waste of money anchor), signs Freeman, and platoons Freddie and Alonso at first base, with whoever isnt playing the field DH’ing. Freeman would be an incredible clubhouse addition, loves hitting in Citi Field, and I’ll laugh to the world burns if he goes into the HOF in a Mets cap.
I can dream right?
swanhenge
False Freeman fables forraged to falsify the formal feelings of financial fortitude of Boston’s foes.
Go Sox!
Yanks2
The Yankees are clearly out on Correa because they have SS prospects. But will they sign Freeman? That’s a tough question to answer. I wonder if they’ll pony up the money to sign him. I really like Rizzo but Freeman would be a better investment.
I can’t see Cashman offering Freeman a 6th year but it’s possible. Voit will likely be traded and LeMahieu isn’t going to man 1st all season. Freeman is also a Lefty and it would be great for the line up.
They should sign Freeman and trade Voit, Torres, German, and Hicks to CIN for Castillo and they’d be WS contenders
jnorthey
A reminder that the AL East is the nuclear division right now – Yankees, Red Sox both have shown they’ll spend in the past, the Jays now are willing to spend like the massive market they are (over 30 million TV viewers all to themselves), the Rays are the smartest team in baseball, then you have the poor Orioles who once were run smartly and had money to spend – then they dumped Gillick in the late 90’s and Washington got a team and they never have fully recovered with 3 playoff appearances since (6-8 record in playoffs – go back to after their last WS win in ’83 and you have a 9-16 record in playoffs)
RandalGrichuksStubble
Blue jays fans are convinced that they are going to get him. Heads set to explode in 3, 2, 1…
Edp007
If Freddie wants a long term deal for big dollars he’s gonna have to go to someone like Texas who’s in spending mode. Fit well there too.
For the Jays I wouldn’t complain signing Freddie but rather sign Kyle less commitment.
Schwarbie can hit 50 playing in the dome
ClevelandSteelEngines
I would like this for the Sox. Opens doors for trades. Dalbec or Casas, sure. Dalbec is a 3B forced to learn 1B. Casas seems to be peaking in expectations. However, Freeman on a good contract seems unlikely.
Nobby
Not a chance in he double hockey sticks that the Red Sox sign Freeman. They’re just throwing smoke.
rumors171
I don’t see the Red Sox signing Freeman with prized prospect Tristan Casus arriving in the near future. The Red Sox only interest would be to drive up the price for the Yankees. Since the Yankees just resigned Anthony Rizzo and are no longer in the market for Freddie, you will not hear any more rumors about the Red Sox and Freeman. The Red Sox focus is on a right hand hitting RF/CF.
Thornton Mellon
Not sure why the hesitation so much on Freeman – just look at the guy he lines up with on BRR as similar hitter year after year – HOF Eddie Murray. Same age as Murray was when Murray left the Orioles. Freeman hits for more power, strikes out more, and isn’t quite as consistent (though no one is, really, compared to Murray).
Murray had 2 above average seasons and one tremendous season (159 OPS+, led MLB in hitting) on LA after leaving the Orioles for age 33-35 season. On the Mets, two solidly above average seasons including .285/27/100 at age 37 when those numbers were still pretty big. He had one bad season at age 38, then a great season (129 OPS+) at age 39 for the Indians, helping lead them to the WS. At age 40, he galvanized the Orioles on a playoff run and hit his 500th career HR to put butts in seats. That’s 8 years folks. I don’t think the Red Sox (or Jays) could go wrong here, at least with 6 years plus 2 option years at minimum.