11:24pm: The deal does not contain any opt-out clauses, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.
10:32pm: It’s a five-year deal worth $100MM, Heyman reports (Twitter link).
10:27pm: The Phillies are in agreement with free agent outfielder Nick Castellanos, reports Jeff Passan of ESPN (on Twitter). Jon Heyman of the MLB Network had tweeted shortly beforehand the sides were nearing an agreement. Castellanos is a client of the Boras Corporation.
It’s the second notable strike in three days for the Phillies, who agreed to terms with slugger Kyle Schwarber on a four-year deal on Wednesday. As teams like the Mets and Braves continue to add to their rosters to battle for the top spot in the NL East, the Phils have added two impact bats to the middle of their order.
Castellanos, 30, became a free agent back in November after he exercised an opt-out clause and walked away from the final two years and $34MM remaining on a four-year, $64MM contract with the Reds. The decision was eminently foreseeable, given the strength of his production in Cincinnati. The Reds made Castellanos a qualifying offer, which he naturally rejected, meaning he’d cost the Phillies their second-highest pick and $500K from their international bonus pool. The Reds, meanwhile, will gain a compensatory pick after the first round of the 2022 draft.
Adding Castellanos to a lineup that already includes Schwarber, reigning NL MVP Bryce Harper, All-Star catcher J.T. Realmuto, slugger Rhys Hoskins and the steadily productive Jean Segura gives the Phillies the potential for a dominant lineup — particularly if young talents like Alec Bohm and top prospect Bryson Stott can solidify themselves as big league contributors. As a team, the 2021 Phillies were a middle-of-the-pack group, ranking 13th in the Majors in runs scored (706), 15th in home runs (198), 18th in batting average (.240), 13th in on-base percentage (.318), 14th in slugging percentage (.408) and tied for 18th in wRC+ (93).
Castellanos, who’ll presumably split time with Schwarber between left field and the newly created National League designated hitter slot, just wrapped up the finest season of his big league career. In 585 plate appearances with the Reds, he turned in a .309/.362/.576 batting line with a career-high 34 home runs. He doesn’t offer a huge walk rate, but Castellanos strikes out at a lower-than-average rate and is a consistent source of high batting averages and slugging percentages.
Long a steady and productive hitter with his original organization, the Tigers, Castellanos elevated his game to new heights upon being traded to the Cubs in 2019. Since that trade, he’s put together an exceptional .292/.346/.571 batting line with 64 home runs, 70 doubles and three triples in 1052 plate appearances between Chicago and Cincinnati. That production checks in at 34% better than league average, by measure of wRC+, and little about it looks fluky. Castellanos consistently posts hard-hit rates north of 40% and barrel rates north of 10% which, combined with his above-average bat-to-ball skills, leads Statcast to rank him among the game’s leaders in expected batting average and expected slugging percentage on an annual basis.
Of course, adding Castellanos to an already defensively challenged team whose signature offseason addition thus far was the defensively challenged Schwarber creates its own concerns. Castellanos has improved his defense in right field since first moving off third base earlier in his career, but he still rates as a well below-average defender in either corner. The 2021 Phillies already ranked last in the Majors in Defensive Runs Saved, and that wasn’t an issue unique to last year’s team. The Phillies have ranked among the worst defensive teams in baseball for more than a half decade now, regularly trotting out subpar defenders and embarking on curious defensive experiments that have not proven fruitful (e.g. Rhys Hoskins in left field).
Bringing Castellanos into the mix won’t fix that longstanding organizational flaw, but it’ll nevertheless transform an already deepened Phillies lineup into one of the more formidable units in the entire National League. Given that the Phils also have a strong rotation — Zack Wheeler, Aaron Nola, Zach Eflin, Ranger Suarez, Kyle Gibson — the hope is that strong starting pitching and a potentially unyielding lineup could carry the day in spite of suspect glovework and a bullpen that has several question marks.
In order to get to that point, the Phils will push their payroll north of the base luxury tax threshold. It’s not yet clear how the money will be distributed, but adding $20MM to the Philadelphia books would push their 2022 payroll to a franchise-record $233+MM level, in the estimation of Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. The financial distribution is a moot point regarding the luxury tax anyways, as those figures are calculated by summing the average annual values of a team’s commitments.
From a CBT perspective, Castellanos’ $20MM average annual value is the relevant number regardless of how the money is paid out. That’ll push the Phillies’ luxury tax calculation to a bit north of $236MM, according to Roster Resource. That’s above this year’s $230MM base threshold, setting the Phillies up as a tax payor at the moment.
They could try to maneuver back under the tax. Phillies president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski told reporters at the start of the offseason that Didi Gregorius wasn’t guaranteed the starting shortstop job. His deal has a $14MM CBT hit, so finding a taker for that money could be a way to avoid paying the tax. That’d be easier said than done, though; given the season Gregorius just had, Philadelphia would probably have to include some young talent from an already-weak farm system to clear that money.
One could argue the Phils shouldn’t be concerned with the tax at all. As a first-time payor, they’re subject to a 20% tax on any dollar spent between $230MM and $250MM. As things currently stand, they’d be subject to a fee a bit more than $1MM — insignificant money for a club already spending more than $230MM on player payroll. The bigger deterrent to narrowly exceeding the threshold is that the CBA contains escalating penalties for teams that exceed in multiple consecutive seasons.
The Phillies, though, haven’t made the postseason in ten years. That’s the longest active drought in the National League, one the front office and owner John Middleton are anxious to snap. The hiring of Dombrowski — a famously aggressive executive — last offseason signified that ownership was prepared to push some chips in as part of an effort to put a competitive team back on the field. In one of the most impactful moves of his year-plus tenure, he’ll bring in a player with whom he’s quite familiar from their overlapping time with the Tigers.
Aligning with that win-now mentality, the Phillies are content to sacrifice two draft choices to bring Castellanos into the fold. Because Cincinnati made him a qualifying offer, Philadelphia will lose their second-highest and fifth-highest selections in the 2022 draft and $1MM in international bonus pool space as compensation for signing Castellanos.
Time will tell whether the Phillies have done enough to overcome the aforementioned bullpen and defensive concerns in a difficult division. They could continue to try to bolster the roster, with center field, shortstop and third base all standing out as areas of varying concern. Further payroll additions would come with additional tax concerns. The Phillies would pay a 32% tax on any overages between $250MM and $270MM, with higher penalties if they push even beyond that mark. That kind of spending spree seems unlikely, but the Phils have already pushed to levels previously unreached with the franchise in hopes of constructing one of the game’s top offenses.
Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Brixton
1. Schwarber DH
2. Hoskins 1B
3. Harper RF
4. Castellanos LF
5. JTR C
6. Segura 2B
7. Bohm 3B
8. Didi / Stott SS
9. Odubel / Vierling
Thats fun
xfloydsterx
Bottom 4 are pretty bad
Ducky Buckin Fent
Segura isn’t. & Bohm is still a kid with Big Power. Now, those 8 & 9 spots certainly look pretty rugged. Off-season ain’t over yet either, though.
hoof hearted
Agree
lemonlyman
Segura had a WAR of 4.0 last year and 27 over his 10 year career. If that’s pretty bad then I don’t wanna be good.
metfan4ever
The announcers on MLB Network question the validaty of WAR. WAR is an agents tool to get his player more $ there is no way to tell what a replacement player would do, it’s guess work
RobM
I’ll assume @metfan4ever’s comment is a form of sports blog performance art.
ltully789
No, it’s not “guess work.”
deweybelongsinthehall
Too many uncontrolled variables in my view. I’m not a WAR expert so please educate me if I’m wrong. Does WAR take into consideration hitting with a big lead or down a lot where the game is over? Clubhouse presence? Adjust for who your nearest teammates are on the field? Sometimes having a JBJ instead of Andrew Bettintendi in center not only means you cover less room as a corner outfielder but it also can transcend into confidence, etc. Does it take into consideration weather related issues which will not be the same in a different park? I laugh at trying to compare modern players to generations ago when today’s player seems more concerned with stats that weren’t in anyone’s mind back in the day. Remember the argument over a walk is as good as a hit? When the walk occurs is sometimes more important than the total number of them.
VonPurpleHayes
That’s fine, but Segura is a good hitter and Bohm was in 2020.
lady1959
I guess you’re correct ⚾️
Hammerin' Hank
Clubhouse presence lol!!!
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
Segura and Bohm can swing it
brian214
@xfloydsterx Do you even watch baseball? Segura is far from bad. Start paying attention or stop commenting.
Francys01
Nice. I was not expecting this move by the Phillies after signing Schwarber. There were rumors that the Phillies could possibly sign him and the Phillies just got better. The NL East is going to be fun to watch with the Braves, Mets and Phillies competing to win the division.
JerryBird
How about the 1927 Yankees at bat and the 1962 Mets in the field? That sounds like something to watch.
SonnySteele
Francys01: Especially come July when they trade for reinforcements.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
The Phillies are the new Mets. They went into the off-season needing to improve their defense and to replace Didi and Bohm.
They signed Schwarber and Castellanos two guys with big bats and very sub-par defense.
And they brought back Odubel.
I see the marlins as the third best team in the division after Braves and Mets, Phillies are a hair back in fourth.
Phillies are the new Mets.
Kruk it
Castellanos in CF, yes!!!
VonPurpleHayes
If you think the Phillies are behind the Marlins now, you’re crazy. This team sucked at defense last year and finished 2nd. 4 games behind the WS champs. As bad as this defense is, it’s not really worse than last year and the lineup is significantly better. The Braves are a more complete team. The Mets are a more complete team, but the 2022 Phillies are much better than the 2021 Phillies. That being said, I think this is just a precursor to a trade.
You Can Put It In The Books
@Von
I don’t get that comment either. The only statistic lower than Miami’s runs scored will be their attendance.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I don’t disagree with the comment about Miami’s attendance, but their starting pitching will be even better this year.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Still time for a trade, agreed. But what can they trade that would be wanted? Bohm and Stott and prospects. I like Bohm’s bat recovering, but his fielding is in the category of Kyle and Nick.
With the Braves and Mets better, Phillies will lose more games this year. Even if the order is switched, I see marlins and Phillies with sub 0.500 records. Like I said, it will be fun to watch Phillies hit. Now, if Phillies go and sign Correa or Story, and can trade for a couple pitchers, well that would be different. Liked the Knebel signing, Phillies could have used Jansen more than the Braves. Skip Kyle or Nick (just get one) and get Rodon and Jansen.
To say something nice about the Phillies, the people who whine about the Harper contract are silly. It will age fine. Ranger Suarez might be really good if he is healthy.
But it is baseball, and I am happy that it is back!
Matt Ragusa
Hopefully the bullpen is better too.
sfes
I knew DD wouldn’t sit around and not blow his wad while the Mets and even Braves spent money. 2022 NL East should be a bloody street fight.
Ma4170
It’s definitely a bad defense, but the reality is a strong offense will produce many more runs than a strong defense will prevent over the course of the season, so as a Mets fan, I think the Phillies got much better this offseason even though they’ll give away some runs… it’s not like balls will be hit at nick and he’ll drop them, it’s his range that is poor and it’s not like CBP is a spacious park
GarryHarris
The Phillies offense is much better than the Mets, however.
There’s always hope with Dave Dombrowski (Unless owner interference).
IMO Only: There’s nothing about the IF or the back up Catching I like.
The Phillies can fix the OF with a defense first CF.
You Can Put It In The Books
“Much” better? I don’t know.
Hammerin' Hank
Why do they have to replace Bohm? He could still end up a good hitter. Mike Schmidt was terrible in his first season too.
iverbure
Phillies hate defence.
THE downvoter
Phillies also hate canadians who do not spell Defense correctly.
Shatner
Defense will be downright awful but they’ll certainly hit a lot bombs. Will definitely be interested to see how they do.
HBan22
Bryson Stott is going to be good too, possibly as soon as this season. Should be a great future table setter for the Phils, good contact skill and walk rates. Could even make a run at rookie of the year if he gets called up relatively soon into the season.
poppopts
Pitching and defense win championships. Starting rotation is not a sure thing, and bullpen can’t help but implode every time they come into a game. You can’t keep throwing money at offense. 4th place in the division is my prediction. Looks like the post seaon drought will extend to 11 years.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Does it include pitching because that is where Phillies fall short?
agrorolm
@Brixton : Schwarber leading off…are you new to baseball?. Weren’t you alive by the Joe Maddon’s experiment of a Cubs lineup with Schwarber leading off for almost half a season? I think it was 2017 or 18. That season there wasn’t any single player who felt more miserable than Schwarber. Maddon’ stubbordiness by not moving down Kyle almost ruined his career at the point of sending him to the minors! By the way, I think that Kyle isn’t a better hitter right now because of that Maddon’s experiment. Put Schwarber anywhere in your lineup but not lead off, please. You will be bullied in these comments.
O’sBroinWV
You do know that these guys have to also play the field too, right? That’s how baseball works.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
With the exception of JT and Harper, the gloves are so bad that you could write “DH” after the rest.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
I’d go:
Segura
Schwarber
Harper
Castellanos
Hoskins
JTR
Bohm
Odubel/Vierling
Didi
Segura/Schwarber at the top are two great table setters for BH..and Castellanos, Hopkins, and JTR fit more into their natural spots in the order..
sfes
Speaking as a Mets fan…. I might have just peed a little after reading that. But seriously I’d probably switch Hoskins and JTR
bobsugar84
NL East is stacked!! Even the Nats are trying which is good for baseball.
You Can Put It In The Books
Top 3 are stacked! You have to consider the Braves the team to beat. I have the Mets and Phils in the next tier. Even the Nats and Marlins will be competitive; however, the Marlins are really going to struggle to score runs… the rotation (touted as “the best in baseball” by a few armchair GMs on this site) still have a long way to go to be taken seriously..
It’s going to be a fun season though!
SaintChris
Great, the Phillies now have 5 guys for 1 DH spot.
bucsfan0004
Any one of those DH types can play that joke of a LF in Philly. Now Castellanos can’t whine about the size of the ballpark he plays in. He should put up some decent numbers for Philly
PhanaticDuck26
blah blah, whine whine, quit crying as there’s a drive into deep left field for Castellanos and that’ll be a home run and a 4-0 ballgame.
VonPurpleHayes
@raltongo Haha. Perfect meme use. Let’s go! I’m happy now that the Phillies are going all in.
PhanaticDuck26
haha I know everyone else is going to be (or already is) annoyed by that joke, but honestly I can’t get enough of it… it sure beats the hell out of any of TMac’s calls 🙂
MLB Top 100 Commenter
As long as you turn off the game on defense, it will be fun to watch.
VonPurpleHayes
Defense will be super fun to watch to, but in a more horrifying way.
Avory
@SaintChris
Bingo. The Phillies are colossally bad at being big market spenders. It’s hilarious.
Cap & Crunch
Phillies have some of the best big market contracts in the land currently
lemonlyman
Yeah those Zack Wheeler and Bryce Harper deals are really looking bad at this point.
Avory
Um….exactly.how many playoff wins do those guys have in Phillies uniforms? The idea that Philadelphia has ANY clue whatsoever how to build a winning team is, I repeat, hilarious.
YourDreamGM
@Avory Dave doesn’t have a clue how to build a winning team?
DogDays2
Avory: cmon man, do better. Instead of typing out 20 whining posts on the same thread, try bringing some information or evidence to back it up.
Avory
What kind of “evidence” is needed other than the standings? Or the smoldering wrecks that Dombrowski left franchises at his previous stops?
And I’m hardly whining; I’m chuckling at all the thrashing about these monied franchises are doing in their breathless, sweaty chase of highly limited players.
DogDays2
What the hell are you talking about? You make it sound like he’s never won anything.
Joeyg2033
Bro, you can’t buy chemistry. That’s why teams with no home grown talent don’t win. The Braves are the perfect template on how to build winning teams. Acuna,Albies, Freeman,Riley,Swanson, Fried, Anderson, Soroka…all home grown talent. You play with draftees. You plug in free agents. Phils have it backwards. That’s why they don’t win.
Hammerin' Hank
Chemistry and clubhouse presence. Two things that have very little to do with winning baseball games.
BPFlyers
Cross Freeman off your list! He’s a Dodger!
PhanaticDuck26
Gonna be hilarious when Castellanos his a deep drive to left field to make it a 4-0 ballgame.
You mad about that Lindor contract, are ya Avory?
Avory
Stevie Cohen has no more clue how to build a winner than Philadelphia does. Two idiot organizations. Wait till Stevie understands he’s been had by Lindor and others. The spigot is going to be shut off.
VonPurpleHayes
@Avory winning a WS is the goal, but big markets also need to put out an entertaining product and sell tickets. Mets and Phillies are doing that.
Avory
Hey, who said the Mets and Phillies aren’t entertaining? Watching them crash and burn every year is tremendously entertaining! Fans of small market teams DEPEND on big markets being sloppy stupid. The day they get smart with their largess is the day it gets scary. Clearly not happening in Philly or NY yet.
Samuel
The NLE was the worst division in MLB last year because all the teams had major shortcomings. For a while it looked like none of them wanted to win the division. Because of it the NLE was the most competitive division, and the Braves – winners of a whole 88 games – marched through the playoffs to the championship.
As for 2022 – I think we can say that all 5 NLE teams seem to be improved going into the season. Some shortcomings have been addressed, some remain.
As I wrote a month or so ago, the interesting thing about the division is that all 5 teams have FO heads and managers that are traditional baseball people. They’ll all use analytics of course, but won’t be driven by them at this time. Mr. Cohen became a billionaire due to his genius in working with numbers in investments, so I expect the Mets to build a strong analytical department over the next few years. The other 4 franchises will also add, but considering that what Mr. Cohen knows about working with data and numbers is within the top 1% of the top investment people in the world, I’d suggest the Mets will have a bit of a leg up there in 2022 with major separation coming in the near future (I don’t expect the Mets to continue to throw money around, but rather make smart, measured moves over the next few years).
It should be an interesting division to watch in 2022. I’ll be looking forward to doing just that. Meanwhile, other teams and divisions around MLB are also becoming enticing to watch. Lots of surprises will be happening. And as usual, what seems obvious on opening day is usually wrong within the first 6-8 weeks of the season.
This lockout and offseason has proven to be interesting in that rather than most moves being made though January and February, we had a blitz in March with the season starting in just 2-3 weeks while the moves are fresh in the fans heads.
Those with MLB.TV, the time to watch, and an open mind may well find 2022 to be one of the most interesting seasons of the past 20 years. And MLBTR will be necessary reading as I expect FO’s to be more active than ever with in-season transactions and trades.
Simm
Cohen hasn’t showed he knows anything yet. First you have to win.
Nle WAS terrible last year but this isn’t basketball. In the mlb any team that makes the playoffs has a chance to win a series. If you get hot you can win it all.
Other wise the dodgers would have 9 straight championships.
broadstreetbully 2
Avery we are all so blessed to be in your presence here on the forums. It’s truly incredible to be around a man of your knowledge. It’s honestly just a shame you never got your chance to be a GM, your expertise on how to build a winning franchise are invaluable.
You Can Put It In The Books
Finally, someone with an objective assessment of the Mets plans.
Joeyg2033
High overpriced free agents might sell tickets. They don’t win games however. Home grown talent does. Phils probably have the most dubious record regarding drafting talent. Missing on uber high draft picks like Moniak and Hasely absolutely kill a team.
Hammerin' Hank
All teams are heavily into analytics today. Well, maybe not the Rockies.
sfes
@Von not worth arguing with posts like this. I smell “small market” jealousy and sour grapes! Both our fan bases are jazzed up and rightfully so! Our respective billionaires are spending on our teams!
JackStrawb
@Samuel You’ve completely misunderstood how the contemporary rich make money, my friend. As for Cohen, he recently signed data maven Billy Eppler to the Mets top opening.
Yes, sarcasm.
nando390
Still suck.
Halo11Fan
And here comes the trolls. Feel better about yourself?
This is a great lineup.
marrtho
and that’ll make it a 4 to nothing ball game
The Baseball Fan
Great outfield. And there’s a deep drive to left field…
PhilliePhan
Woooooooooooooo!!!! World Series here we come!!!!!
C-Daddy
The league-average BABIP just went up.
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30 Parks
Castellanos is a great fit in Philly.
PhanaticDuck26
Yes. Yes. Yes. So pumped for this. Never would have thought they’d reel in two top FA sluggers.
30 Parks
Five years $100 million? Steal of the off-season.
PhilliePhan
We got a bargain!!!! 5/$100M
Avory
Only in fevered dreams is a $100m guarantee to Nick Castellanos a “bargain.”
VonPurpleHayes
I wouldn’t say bargain, but 20aav ain’t terrible.
Hammerin' Hank
Yeah Avory, it is indeed a bargain. Great move for the Phils!
Here4thebaseballcomments
WE”RE GOING TO THE WORLD SERIES !!!!!!!!!!
Datashark
not with that pitching
VonPurpleHayes
So this is an odd move, and the Phillies as currently constructed have some bad defense, but boy oh boy do they have an exciting lineup. I love it. I have a reason to watch. And most importantly, for the first time in history, the Phillies will be hitting that first tax, something they’ve been reluctant to do, but can easily afford to. Good on them.
Ducky Buckin Fent
“You can club your way to a lot of wins.” – Yankee fans circa 2017-20 AD.
lemonlyman
It’ll be fun to watch, but I’d have rather seen them go after Story as he filled more of a hole for us.
Ducky Buckin Fent
It will.
Might be a bit of a challenge to watch at times too. But putting up 5+ runs/game will definitely help your W-L record, serious.
Be pretty cool to see them land Story now though, uh? You guys would have the mets fans on the board scrambling to calculate “missed WAR” & other imaginary stats.
Hammerin' Hank
Just because you don’t understand a stat doesn’t make it imaginary.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Oh, you mets fans, @hank.
C’mon. Every single aspect of “missed WAR” is imaginary, bro. There is no way to “understand a stat” that exists only in the minds of fans of the nym.
Kruk it
JT and 8 DH’s
VonPurpleHayes
100% agree with that lemonlyman. Hey. Let’s get him too.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Defense is over-rated. Just ask Gleyber.
Rangers29
Cheaper than I thought, really good move for Philly. Now go find a bullpen somewhere.
VonPurpleHayes
They added Knebel, Familia, Hand and are getting Dominquez back. I’m not saying the pen is great, but there’s some upside for sure.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Knebel was great, Hand looked done. I have not seen enough of Familia in late 2021 to date to have an opinion.
GarryHarris
That pen seems “has been”.
sfes
Relief pitching is so weird from year to year that could end up being a great group. Ask the 2008 Phillies about a supposed “has been” relief pitcher.
Datashark
Phillies: Lots of hitters, lack fielding, and lousy starting-5
They really need to think how much a great fielding team helps pitching and they really need help there too.
bucketbrew35
Lousy starting five? Are you on crack?
sam00991
Lousy starting 5? That’s confusing.
VonPurpleHayes
In what world is Wheeler, Nola, Suarez,Eflin, Gibson a lousy starting 5? I think it’s a good staff. The problem is lack of depth. And of course the defense will be horrific and cost them games, but this is now must watch tv.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Phils looking pretty good, @Hayes.
VonPurpleHayes
@Ducky What are your thoughts on the Yanks trade? I liked it for them, but want to hear your opinion.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Going back to Tauchman for Peralta, I like everything Cashman has done as individual moves.
I see why Gary was traded. I see what the Yanks are doing with their 3 year CBT cycle. Hard not to like adding Donaldson. Kiner-Falefa is growing on me. Today’s trade was very good.
However: we seem unfinished to me.
It wasn’t long ago we ran out a lineup pretty similar to yours. Cash got a little too one dimensional with it, so a revamp was needed. But he seems to have gone in the opposite direction a little too much though. Maybe a lot too much.
As the Yanks are currently constructed, I feel like we suddenly don’t have *enough* firepower. I would imagine both of us are hoping our GM’s aren’t quite done yet.
AndyMeyer
Sean Manaea can probably be had on the cheap. Last year of his deal. Would provide that depth
sfes
@Von you guys are better than you’re giving them credit for, especially with that rotation 5 deep and a revamped bullpen. I understand you’re tempering expectations after disappointment (duh Mets fan here). Fangraphs has the Braves at 93 wins, Mets at 90 and Phillies at 89 and the off-season still isn’t over…. not to mention the up and coming young Fish, solid Nats offense with Stras pitching…. And I think those totals are conservative for what could potentially be. This is going to be a crazy season, but take it from a “sky is falling” PTSD riddled Mets fan comfortably telling you I’m quite concerned. Also: imagine 3, 5 or 7 game series with deGrom, Scherzer, against Wheeler, Nola… wow!
GarryHarris
The SPs are the best part of the Phillies.
sfes
They’re definitely solid 5 deep but that offense is the kind that just slugs its way to the playoffs.
brian214
@Datashark You just reached a new level of stupidity. It seems to fit you well. If Wheeler-Nola-Suarez-Eflin-Gibson is lousy then I’d love to see decent.
Sunday Lasagna
The Phillies are all in on Peter Brand “Your goal should be to buy wins. In order buy wins, you need to buys runs.” They forgot to mention in that movie that you also need to prevent runs, and they conveniently left Zito, Hudson and Mulder out of the movie and didn’t talk about Chavez Gold Glove or the rest of the D. Will they have 8-7 wins or 8-7 losses….will be fun to see which one.
aceofks
that’s a solid lineup. but will any of them be able to catch the ball?
Avory
If you have to ask the question, you know the answer.
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bucketbrew35
I feel like this almost has to be a precursor to another trade.
VonPurpleHayes
Agreed.
cpdpoet
@VPH, I wish I could buy you a beer…..your posts recently have been like someone searching for hope….Schwarber/Casrellanos are solid AND cost effective signings…..
Team rotates the two plus Hoskins @DH.
Harper/Realmuto have both said they do not want to DH (for now)….
None of us know what Dombrowski has brewing…so may I say “trust the process”
VonPurpleHayes
I didn’t ever see Middleton going over the tax. So the fact that he did is cause for celebration. I don’t think this is a complete team, but I’m happy to see them going for it, even if it’ll all blow up.
positively_broad_st
Hoskins might have to go in trade to address baseball needs. He’s a Boras client, so he’s not staying anyway…
bucketbrew35
There’s multiple Boris clients on the roster as is so that’s not necessarily true.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
The Mets really couldnt offer that? The Mets needed to get a guy that gives protection to Pete. I’m afraid they will go to Conforto, not a fan of him at all. Strikes out in the clutch always. I hope Steve has something in the works because a trade is the only realistic way we can acquire anyone good at this point
VonPurpleHayes
@LFGMets The Mets offense and position players seems set to me. They have DHs on the bench already. I don’t really see a fit for another outfielder. They need a lefty in the pen and then they’re set IMO.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
The only positions the Mets have the Phillies beat in offense are shortstop, 1st base (barely), 3rd base, and Center. Theres a wide gap between who the Mets and Phillies have on offense
VonPurpleHayes
Mets have better SP and defense. Phillies will hit more dingers, but that only goes so far. Still plenty of offseason left. Braves look like the team to beat IMO.
2012orioles
White Sox get conforto soon?
DarkSide830
AYY AND AT ONLY $20 TOO
GoAztecs
Wanted the Padres to sign him
YourDreamGM
They have to trade Hosmer first.
Mario93
Love the signings of Castellanos and Schwarber. Two fantastic hitters. Middle of the order is much, much improved. You get elite offense without having to pay 30 million for 10 years for these guys.
These are the value signings that help teams win a World Series imo. Schwarber gets 4yr for 79, Castellanos gets 5yr 100. Fantastic job by the Phillies.
Avory
“Value signings.” Laughable.
YourDreamGM
Compared to 300 or 350 million yes.
Avory
One signing that is less ill-advised than another doesn’t make it a “value” signing, just somewhat less ridiculous.
YourDreamGM
2 great hitters although not great defenders should outperform 1 guy and save 150 million that can be spent elsewhere. Rather pay guys till mids 30s vs late 30s.
Samuel
@ Avory;
List all the moves DD made this offseason to this point, and compute the number of dollar committed and for how long. Then compare that to what the Rangers did in same time period and what they got for the money.
Am surprised you haven’t been posting your stuff under Rangers articles.
DogDays2
I think Texas has done a great job even if they overpayed. At least they’re interesting now.
Avory
The Rangers are in way over their heads. That’s quite obvious. But they aren’t serious about contending. I find them less fascinating than the Phillies complete disinterest in actually doing what it takes to build a winning baseball team. Damn good slow pitch softball team, though!
PhanaticDuck26
Avorys troll game is on point; must be a bitter Reds fan or something. “disinterest in building a winning team.” OK dude. Nice try. Spending the money is the only way to do that at this point. If you’re gonna rag on em, at least find a point that makes some sense–like their inability to draft and develop a young core of productive players
Rangers29
OH MY GOD SCREW THIS THREAD NOW THE RANGERS ARE PURSUING TREVOR STORY
jorge78
Don’t bother bringing your glove Nick. We know that’s hopeless…..
CHS O'sFan
Man Philly really gets me. I Schwarber and Castellanos can really hit but along with Bryce the corner defense will be shaky and if anyone gets banged up the DH spot isn’t available.
Turning into the Phillies is my biggest fear as an O’s fan. If you get impatient and try to spend your way out of a rebuild, you still may not find yourself as divisional favorites if your internal core isn’t there.
Then at the deadline you’re still a few pieces away and have to aggressively sell from the farm to build a mediocre contender. Hopefully their production outweighs their shoddy glovework & Philly can finally see some postseason games.
YourDreamGM
Kyle isn’t as terrible as most think. The bats will more than make up for any defensive weakness.
Previous gm made some bad moves. I don’t mind these moves in effort to correct things. But yeah a awful rebuild. I think the Os will do better but I get a Philly vibe. Much prefer Tigers rebuild and especially Pirates. A’s and Cubs did nice trades.
positively_broad_st
I don’t think these guys are bad fielders as much as they are slow fielders. Lack of range and being slow to the ball creates a lot more opportunities for the other team to score more runs. Phils are apparently going with the Bobby Abreu model in 2022. Stand there and maybe they’ll hit ’em right at ya…
jett
The craziest part of this whole thing is the the Phillies were able to sign Schwarber and Castellanos for less money combined than what Kris Bryant got from the Rockies. Also, both are shorter contracts with low AAV. In terms of “big contacts” these are on the size of they’re not albatrosses. They can be moved if one doesn’t work out without major compensation required (like Hosmer or to a lesser extent, Myers)
Avory
Comparing the unwise signings of both Castellanos and Schwarber to the absurd signing of Bryant is only useful in trying to evaluate which terrible organization is worse.
mehnertk
Great value on these deals. Phillies are going for it on shorter deals and Colorado needed a “franchise” player. I do agree that it’s insane they got both Schwarber and Castellanos for less money overall. Too bad my rangers didn’t get Castellanos – always liked his bat.
cpdpoet
@jett – you complete me…..
YourDreamGM
@jett waa thinking same thing and wouldn’t have commented my similar post if I seen this first. The time frame also matches up with their other non Harper pieces.
YourDreamGM
Nick and Kyle or just Bryant? Seems like easy choice.
SaintChris
Bryant, of course, can catch a baseball. Nick & Kyle, not so much.
YourDreamGM
Might make a difference a few times a month which is something but nothing too impacting.
HBan22
Easily Nick and Kyle. They both had an OPS of well over .900 last season, both have taken their offensive games to new levels the past year or two, and both are right in the heart of their prime. Neither of their contracts are that bad at all in my opinion – Kyle will only be 32-33 when his is up and Nick 34-35. Bryant has a lengthier injury history than either of them and has already showed signs of decline even before getting that downright absurd contract that the Rockies will be regretting in 2-3 years.
philsrock
Phillies supporters have been hoping management would spend more money to improve the team. It’s finally happened. So, now I plan on enjoying this team and hope for a great season outcome. No more complaining folks. Let’s go Phillies!! Let’s support our team.
VonPurpleHayes
@philsrock I agree. I don’t think they’re a great team, but they’re fun as hell and I appreciate them spending to win as a big market should. It’s going to be fun.
Avory
“Spending to win….” Conceptually flawed to begin with, even worse when executed in this manner. There’s a lot of ugly losses in Philly’s future, but I guess you’ll enjoy them.
VonPurpleHayes
I’ve seen them not make the playoffs for 11 years in a row. Before the 2007-2011 run, there was a stretch of terrible teams as well outside of the 93 blip. I mean let’s not act like we haven’t seen ugly losses. This team has stunked when it didn’t spend money and rebuilt too. I’m not saying spending equals success. We’ve seen it all.
Avory
How about trying smarts? I don’t think they’ve tried that yet. Dombrowski’s hiring was the final evidence that this organization isn’t interested in building anything enduring. Well run big market teams shouldn’t go through boom and bust cycles, but it’s ridiculous to flop around like this. DD will leave the Phillies a rotting shell of a team with nothing to show for it. That’s what he does.
VonPurpleHayes
K. Thanks Avory. Phillies were in such great shape before DD.
bucketbrew35
Dude you’re a damn crybaby. And if you’re a Mets fan, you’re also a hypocrite.
DogDays2
Nobody every accused Avory of being a glass half-full guy. Talk about annoying…
Samuel
@ Avory;
One has to put things into perspective which includes some recent history……
The Phillies and their fans went though 6-7 years of a teardown rebuild led by a couple of kids Andy MacPhail brought in. Supposed analytic gurus. He knew little about analytics in baseball, and they proved to know less. The owner backed them, gave them time and money. The fans patiently waited. After 6-7 years and trading away all their marketable players, the team surfaced with Nola, Hoskins, and maybe Bohm. It was the worst MLB rebuild I can recall. The owner did a 180 and opened the money spigot. They signed Harper, Segura and Didi; traded for Realmuto – not sure if that was DD or not.
When Dombrowski was brought in he had little to work with – next to nothing to trade. In just over a year DD has added Wheeler, Suarez (I believe), Gibson, Knebel, and now Castellanos and Schwarber…..among others.
Yes, this is an awful defensive team. I believe in defense first in building a team. And it’s going to hurt the bullpen as plays will not be made so the starters will be completing less innings as their pitch counts go up unnecessarily. But DD has been running MLB teams for 40 or so years, so if I can figure this out, he and Girardi sure can. I expect that DD will be making in-season trades to continue to improve the bullpen,
I doubt the Phillies win the NLE, and maybe they don’t make the playoffs. But the fans finally have something to root for after 10 years of being patient and frustrated. The most important player on an MLB team is the Catcher (because he handles a pitching staff and calls a game). The Phillies have the best overall Catcher in MLB. They have good young arms, and young position payers that can be coached up in Nick Maton, Luke Williams, and Bryson Stott. MLB is now all about maximizing the players abilities, It’s now up to the Phillies coaches to bring some of these youngsters along.
The Phillies are night and day from where they were just 2-3 years ago. This is hardly the end of the process. They’ve made remarkable strides. It’s no secret that next they have to do something about the defense along with further bolstering the bullpen. Stay tuned.
Avory
I appreciate the comments, I really do, but I’ve watched the Phillies over the past decade and well, these dramatic changes in organizational philosophy you describe hardly auger for the stability required in successful teams.. And Dombrowski is not brilliant; he’s just more willing than most to spend his boss’s cash without fear of consequences. How he finds owner after owner willing to do this I do not know.
Avory
@dragbunt
Glass half empty guys look at positive results and find reasons to be negative.. Glass half full guys look at negative results and see sunny days ahead regardless of the evidence. We’re not talking results here, we’re talking free agent signings. And when it comes to those, realists look at gobs of money spent on free agents and see very few of them ever coming close to the productivity needed to justify the outlay. Realists also look at the clear (and permanent) limitations of players like Schwarber and Castellanos, as well as their far from consistent history in their supposed areas of strength and think, I dunno, this has a very, very good chance of not working out well.. That’s not negativity, folks, that’s how actual history and a good ol’ fashioned aging curve affect probabilities.
NMK 2
Expect a lot of teams putting the ball in play, going for an extra base and trying to steal more against this deficient defense. Home runs are exciting, but winning is better.
As a Mets fan, I saw lots of Familia and a little bit of Hand. Keep a bottle of Tums and a squeeze toy handy for those late innings.
Samuel
They’ll be stealing off he best all around Catcher in baseball.
As for taking the extra base – coaches need to work with the players there. The Phillies home games are in a bandbox park. Not a lot of long throws from the OF.
NMK 2
JTR may be a good catcher, but the other infielders still have to be in position and catch it. Also, doesn’t matter how short the fences are if the outfielders are poor defensively. Force them to catch the ball and then make accurate throws to the correct base.
cpdpoet
Can we PLEASE bring back the downvote………..
You Can Put It In The Books
Where are all the Marlins fans who insisted they were in on Castellanos?
YourDreamGM
There’s more than one? I know they have more than 1 in general but in here I only ever notice Marlinsfanbase which is a great user name.
You Can Put It In The Books
@MarlinsFanBase made a few racist comments and that was all I needed to hear from him. He’s what the mute button was made for.
kreckert
Basic overview of the Phillies…
Offense: really, REALLY, good.
Rotation: **potentially** very good.
Bullpen: ????????????????????????????????????
Defense: Horrifying.
I won’t pretend to know what this all adds up to. But it’ll be an entertaining season.
VonPurpleHayes
@kreckert Exactly! You get it. I’m not an idiot. I know this team is a mess, but it’s going to be a blast watching them. Give me entertainment. That’s all I ask.
Drew Waters Bat
So I haven’t seen but does anyone know the exact picks and money the dodgers have to give up for signing Freeman? Didn’t see it in the Freeman signing release on here.
dmbphils27
Boom! This is great! Can’t wait to be back at the ballpark and feel that energy again! Sold out games coming back to CBP!!! Lets goooooo!
BeansforJesus
I love this lineup! Reminds me of when I would play World Series baseball 95 on sega and just stack my team with every 90s slugger without regard for baserunning or position. Try to score in the double digits everytime, who cares if Cecil fielder is my 2b?
Curveball1984
That lineup might as well be called “The Expendables” of baseball. It looks like a who’s who of baseball action stars and pure HR muscle. But like the Yankees & Angels & Brewers have taught us — you need more than that. They’re playoff material, but they won’t go deep without more pitching & defense.
VonPurpleHayes
They have the pitching, but defense? Yikes.
theodore glass
So him and Schwarber are rotating between DH and LF.
PhanaticDuck26
Rhys was banged up a bit at the end of the season, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see Schwarber with some time at 1B while Rhys is DH
Gmen777
Lineup is legit but man that defense is rough
mehnertk
The Phillies now have a three year window to win a World Series. Do they have the pitching?
Love the willingness to spend. Kudos to them.
dragonfan96
He will be gone in two years
Whiteguilt
Do you have a crystal ball?
Doug
They got to be nicknamed “The Lumber Company.”
Partially because the way they’ll run the bases, but that’s a lot of big bats.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski is not done.
He will make a blockbuster deal that helps solidify the Defense, offense, rotation and bullpen.
Castellanos and Schwarber maybe rotatating @ DH.
Stott is most likely the SS.
3B could use a major upgrade.
Don’t know where Didi fits on this team.
Kiko Garcia
I know pitching wins but a deep line up wins games too..as Phil’s fans we can look to 08 as an example (minus closer haha)…I look forward to way more entertaining ball than what I’ve seen in recent memory
Jean Matrac
I’m thinking the Phillies are going to win a lot of 10-8, 9-8, 11-9 games. Plus lose a few. That’s a good hitting lineup in a hitter’s park. Now if they only had some pitching.
Seriously, there are still some guys they could add to the staff, and if they do, watch out NL East.
brucenewton
They’ll be fun to watch and I’ll pull for them, but bad defensive teams tend not to make the playoffs.
positively_broad_st
Would rather have had the Phils sign Correa and then trade Stott, Hoskins, and Bohm to Cleveland for Ramirez. Cleveland could then flip Hoskins for two or three more prospects. Phils defense hasn’t really changed this off-season, and despite the additions, the bullpen is still not a certainty. We could see the Phils score 7-10 runs a game and STILL hover around .500 and 3rd place. There’s more work to do. I love Hoskins, but he may have to go in purely a baseball-needs trade. I hope Stott is ready. They badly need an agile athlete out there.
DogDays2
Why do fans make up these trade scenarios that are always in favor of their own team?
RobM
A few reasons:
1) Most can’t assess talent;
2) They don’t look at the deal from the other team’s perspective;
3) Drugs.
HBan22
Pretty accurate, Rob. Although I don’t really think Hoskins/Bohm/Stott for two years of Ramirez would even be a great move by the Phils…
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Carlos Correa to the wins. 3 years 105.3M
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Twins*
Poster formerly known as . . .
The Astros know him better than any other team does. If they wouldn’t match that offer I have to wonder why not, since it’s a far cry from the 10 yrs, $320M that MLBTR predicted. He’s had a lot of injuries.
Whiteguilt
Because it’s pretty clear he’s a me first guy all he cares about is himself.
jonbluvin
His 2021 home/away splits are not too encouraging.
Jean Matrac
Virtually all players hit better at home, even a lot of guys that hit in pitcher-friendly parks. Brandon Belt, a LHH, playing in the park that, until recently, was probably the most punitive for lefties, still hit better at home. Castellanos’ splits aren’t really that bad, compared to some.
jonbluvin
@tad2b13 His career OPS home/away is ~100. Last years was 337. I think that is a bit bigger than most players’ splits. It’s even bigger than Trevor Story’s.
HBan22
So the Marlins gave like $60 million to Avisail Garcia but wouldn’t give Castellanos 5 years/$100 million? No wonder Derek Jeter peaced out of there.
stretch123
Garcia got 48 million but yeah this was definitely doable if they offered him this money out of the gate. Could’ve literally signed Marte and then Castellanos and call it an off-season.
Jean Matrac
I love this, I’m not a Phillies fan, not even close, but they are going to be a fun team to watch. Makes me want to take the cross-country flight, and catch a few games at Citizens BP.
Whiteguilt
Schwarber is gonna put 35-40 balls into the seats
Highest IQ
They could have gotten Correa for 3 instead though. Massive overpay.
BobGibsonFan
Wait… “Castellanos is unplayable in the field.”?
Whiteguilt
Lots of sour grapes. Championship coming
Fred McGriff
NL East still the most competitive division in all of baseball, just in front of the AL East. People like to talk **** about how the Braves ‘only won 88 games’. What do you think will happen this year with talent spread out even more and sides improving their rosters even more than last year.
Milwaukee-2208
Phillies don’t understand the rules apparently. You get one DH, that’s it. Worst defense in the league will cost them alot of games
metsie1
$100M for Nick Castellanos. God bless America! Good for him.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Sure hope the Phillies pitchers can average about 10 strikeouts per game. That’ll mean the defense only needs to convert 17 outs. Ignoring the pop ups and lazy fly balls that even I could catch, maybe the shortcomings with the leather won’t be that bad?
I recall the ’86 Mets pretty much going bat-first with their line up and they won a WS.
Of course, they had Keith Hernandez at 1B and he saved his infielders a lot of errors. Might have been the best defensive 1B of all-time. Of course, with Hoskins, we won’t have that luxury.
The 2022 Phillies are gonna resemble that old Brewers team that were nicknamed, “Harvey’s Wallbangers”.
PS If you’re going to CBP this year, get there for BP. Gonna be lots of souvenirs!
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Nah man…Gary Carter was great defensively, Backmon was ok, Santana was solid, Knight/HOJO were solid/good, and Dykstra was GG caliber at the time..
JackStrawb
The ’86 Mets were a good defensive team that gave away some outs on D here and there, but Carter and Hernandez were terrific, and only the corner OF slots were noticeably subpar, Dykstra was actually good in CF. So was Mookie. Kevin Mitchell was young and quick enough to be an average OFer. Ray Knight was just a hair below average. They were able to conceal Straw and Foster’s weaknesses pretty well. HoJo could be painful to watch but only played half a season.
phillyballers
I would be good if they moved Bohm for a CF or another SP and had to play Didi at 3rd for the year. I’m not that high on Bohm. I think you’d get the same so so defense and slightly better power numbers.
DadsInDaniaBeach
Now, if the Bryan Reynolds rumor only comes true…package some players and make that happen..
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
I see a lot of 9-7 losses in the future for the Phils..but hey..Wheeler might win 20 (if he stays healthy). Being real..that pitching and defense is atrocious..and there are zero good pitchers left on the market..and I’m just an objective baseball fan.
DadsInDaniaBeach
tippin? Phils pitching is atrocious? You might want to rethink that post. Yes, the D is not good..But, come on..This is a very good starting staff.
HardensBeardHasFleas
Bullpen improvements that cut blown saves in half plus a lineup now top 3 in baseball I speculate this philly ballclub wins the east by double digits.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Knebel will get hurt at some point though..then what? Their starters are terrible (Weaver not withstanding..but he’s an injury risk)
Stan the Man
What planet did you say you’re from?
JackStrawb
It’s possible to do dumber things than sign aging sluggers having career years to 4 and 5 year deals at 20m / year, but that usually involves having a lot to drink then driving at 100mph at night with your headlights off.
MikeG88
The reds are pathetic. Krall is the worst GM in baseball. Trading winker for 10 million is payroll relief!? This team needs to be sold to someone that cares about the fans and the city. It’s disgusting to even view from the outside how bad this organization is. And I wish players would see that Boras is monster! He can get the 1 or 2 largest aav and overall contracts but then players like castellanos get screwed because he overplayed their value. So 90 percent of the clients get screwed and 10 percent (maybe) get to the promised land. He only cares about his own ego not players best interest. Castellanos was never getting 30 million from anyone. I know it’s a negotiation but he’s screwed so many players. The reds could have kept him at the same price as well. Cincinnati couldn’t offer up 20 for 5 too?? It’s pathetic. I’m not watching 1 reds game this season! Will watch the teams that careike the dodgers and Yankees and twins etc! These idiots singed mouse, Akiyama and castellanos and the next year they can’t even get decent bullpen help! If we had 1 or 2 good setup guys we could have beat the braves in the payoffs in 20 and clearly lost last year because of the bullpen too! I’m just done with this regime! The reds are pathetic and they disgust me! It’s shame to see a playoff team destroyed over 50 million or so in savings! Winning would of made that up plus some!
longines64
All in on the trade. However I still question Nola past the 2nd time in the batting order, Zach Eflin’s knees, Kyle Gibson 50/50 (look good/look mediocre) , Wheeler being healthy, Ranger Suarez progressing.