Despite Major League Baseball’s announcement that Opening Day would not begin before April 14, the league and Players Association continue to discuss their roadblock on the international draft and qualifying offer (as first reported by Tim Healey of Newsday). Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic adds that the parties “(would) determine the number of games in the season” if a new deal is finalized.
The news that the two sides remain in contact could offer a modicum of hope for progress. They’d closed much of the gap on core economics issues, after all, before the league’s desire for an international draft and the union’s push for the elimination of the qualifying offer led to a stalemate.
However, as has become apparent throughout negotiations, there’s no reason to put the cart before the horse. Jeff Passan of ESPN tweets that in-person bargaining is finished for tonight; Robert Murray of FanSided adds they “plan to speak more tomorrow,” suggesting there’s little optimism about finalizing a CBA in the coming hours. Indeed, MLB and the Players Association have kept open lines of communication — even those that fall short of true “negotiations” — constantly in recent weeks.
It’s unclear how much talks will develop this evening. We’ve seen rapid changes in the tenor of negotiations a few times already. Progress towards an eventual endpoint has waxed and waned, particularly as the parties have met frequently over the past few weeks. There’s no indication at this point the league is considering backtracking on its announcement that the first four series of the regular season have been canceled. That was a unilateral MLB decision, though, and nothing bars them from putting those games back on the schedule if they and the union move towards an agreement in the coming days.
MC Tim C
Good. It’s inexcusable for them to be this close and let something as minor as an international draft derail things.
bucsfan0004
Fine. No international draft, and bring back QOs and draft pick compensation. Done.
Steve Nebraska
This is ridiculous. I thought the owners were wasting time. Now it’ s the players.
Halo11Fan
Steve, you are honest. There are people who blamed the owners for the lockout saying they could have still negotiated during Spring training. I thought they were wrong, but it was a widespread opinion.
Now the owners give the players the option of tabling one aspect of the CBA to get baseball going and the players refuse.
There are some people who will never change their opinion.
Patrick OKennedy
The players did not refuse Halo. They made a counter offer that the owners ignored, walked away and canceled more games.
Halo11Fan
The owner gave them three options, including tabling it.
I think open minded people understand what happened
tigerdoc616
The owners gave the players three crappy options, and tabling included the ability of the owners to reopen the CBA after 2 years if the players do not ultimately agree to an international draft.
You obviously don’t understand what happened.
atomicfront
Yeah I don’t get it. I was on the players side but then owners gave the players everything they asked for. Now it seems players are really to blame.
atomicfront
Three great options.
implant
Crappy? If this is truly how close the two sides might be the players should pick one if the two. You know who wants no international draft? Agents
gdjohnson
The players didn’t get arbitration after two years and free agency after five. They didn’t get their two biggest items
Simple Simon
Those were non-starters —there was never a chance of that.
Think about all the years the Teams have carried the players to get just those 2 years in the MLB, from the Draft and all the years in the mionors learning how to become major leaguers.
Randog650
Hold on here. There is too much petty bickering on which side is right and all that. None of it does any good or solves anything. Yes, three options were offered. What really is the unions opposition to the International draft? While it is true the current system allows the “free agents” to pick what team they sign with they are still subject to everything the players who are drafted domestically are so it can’t be that. All teams have X numbers of dollars to spend and once that is gone that is it. No one else gets signed. While an international draft would surely reduce the amount some of the better international players sign for would it also stand to reason a draft would end up in opportunities for more international players to be signed?
The Natural
You are so right about opinion and it is true in many key aspects of life
BrewfaninTX
They abandoned that long ago.
desertbull
The players union is a JOKE
desertbull
It might have started that way but now its ALL on the players.
smuzqwpdmx
It’s not wasting time. It’s taking the necessary time to examine a complex issue that was suddenly thrown in at the last second when the owners should’ve brought it up many months ago. If you want to get a deal done, you don’t spring a whole huge complex issue at the last second.
NoRegretzkys
Exactly. Both sides have publicly said how they hate disappointing the fans, but do fans REALLY care about either of those things?
Fever Pitch Guy
This was another great article, except for the following part: “There’s no indication at this point the league is considering backtracking on its announcement that the first four series of the regular season have been canceled.”
Just a few hours ago MLB was willing to consider a full 162-game schedule, that’s all the indication we need.
One or two additional days of negotiating doesn’t lead to 14 days of games being lost, that’s beyond silly. MLB already “cancelling” games is laughable. It’s only March 9th.
Get an agreement by Friday, three weeks of ST, then reschedule the first week of regular season games.
Refer to 1990 as an example.
Tcsbaseball
Do I speak for most of us at this point when I say we don’t even care anymore? It’s beyond laughable now
Fever Pitch Guy
Tcs – Most of the issues they are haggling over, I never did care about.
All I care about is fair competition and playing the darn games.
I mean really, what’s the difference between an international draft and the current Bonus Pool system with hard caps for international players?
As long as we don’t go back to pre-2016 when teams like the Yankees were able to scoop up lots of international stars at very young ages because they had the money to gamble on so many of them in other countries. Mariano Rivera and Bernie Williams immediately come to mind, in fact Bernie was signed on his 17th birthday.
gwell55
Muzzle Scherzer and they have a chance… AS FAR AS THE 5.5m, No Dominican or Venezuelan player 16+ yr old has ever got that much9 since 2016 when this shows the bonuses) amateur player. A couple Cuban and Japanese have and that is it. So what is the fight about?
spotrac.com/mlb/international/
atomicfront
Cuts out the Dominican corruption.
Win Cor
Scherzer is just blah blah blah. He has a lot of $$$ now. The Players Association doesn’t want the International visibility. They want Internationals to have backroom shady dealings. So they cannot be treated properly in a vetted system. We have come a long way. It’s time for a proper system; so you can grow International properly.
Al Hirschen
The MLB owners are doing all of this to stop uncle Steve Cohen and his money. Uncle Steve has F U Money. And they name the tax after them and like all my fans know uncle Steve says if you’re going to name a tax after me he’s going to make sure that you know it’s named after him
Sid Bream Speed Demon
What?
Patrick OKennedy
I think the Steve Cohen tax is part of the CBT plan.
Although the Dodgers were in that bracket a few years ago.
crazybaseballgal
At least Steve Cohen is an actual fan of baseball & actually goes to games
iverbure
If you don’t know why a international draft is so bad you need to research what happened to Puerto Rican baseball after the draft or just shut up and stop having opinions. When it comes to any drafts in baseball the fans are the dumbest out of all the sports. Baseball draft is a little more complicated than the others but the fans don’t have any clue as to how it works and why certain players drop.
Win Cor
Puerto Rico doesn’t have a lot of sports like the USA; but want to be part of it. Sometimes without finishing high school.. But that’s another story. What happens is there’s only so many spots and in other countries you can’t get into play there because of racism. That doesn’t happen in the MLB. There are no limits to what kind of people can play. That is why the International draft and the continuation of the MLB programs in other countries will give players the platform to be scouted in a full fledged system; not in behind the scenes secret dealings for elites.
Win Cor
It’s not minor anymore. International ballplayers can’t hide in the shadows anymore and mysteriously appear. Every International ballplayer should have the opportunity to see the system to be part of. Every International prospect needs to be properly vetted. and all kids should know they have a chance to be drafted; no matter what country. No more secrets.
Holy Cow!
This could be over sooner than you think. What? I don’t know.
Brew88
Let’s go bowling hey nice marmot
48-team MLB
I don’t think a a Strike is what we’re looking for. Please Spare us that. We’re already on Pins and needles. This season is headed for the Gutter.
Simonmike
Come on boys get it done!
Ancient Pistol
The players are shooting themselves in the foot if they let this opportunity slip.
2012orioles
Watch them agree to a deal and then they can’t agree whether or not the 6-12 games get prorated
Ancient Pistol
In the end I feel this is going to be one issue that shuts out 50+ games.
2012orioles
Wouldn’t put it past them
Jimbob 57
Please players we the fans want baseball , mlb baseball with the best ball players, this is solely on you now!
hook316
If only they didn’t take the ENTIRE month of December off… idiots
BirdieMan
The owners wanted to force a deal down players throats, and thats why they sat on their asses all through December and a good part of January. Cancel the season and let both sides go hungry!
Halo11Fan
For e a deal? They gave them three options and one was table it until next year.
Thang goodness most fans are not buying what you are selling.
BLIN7Y
You ignore the part where the Owners can undo the entire CBA if there is no draft by 2024. That must be very important to the Owners to want that included and not require the Players assent.
Cherry Picking the part of the offer that sounds good and making it the entire offer of that option is disingenuous.
atomicfront
So what’s wrong with it. Worst case scenario they play two years with increased benefits and negotiate again in two years
Patrick OKennedy
They gave the players an ultimatum.
The players made a counter offer slightly different.
Owners canceled more games.
This is 100% on the owners.
gwell55
The owners gave 3 options on the tradeoff… the players decided to go off and discuss it with boras… they came back rejecting all 3 that they knew the deadline was about. owners cancel more games to get them back at table. (not set yet for sure). This is 100% on the players!
Motown is My Town
Agree… owners are 100% on the wrong side of the table on this lockout. It will cost them in the long run when us fans tell them to F Off!
dkcsmc1991
Yea right. The players are not negotiating, they are whining. It’s five and take and they are not being adults.
fox471 Dave
Birdie-did the owners tell you that?
Dorothy_Mantooth
Minor League baseball starts on April 6th. Just put those games on tv and let these idiots keep shooting themselves in the foot.
Braveslifer
Hear hear
Doug S.
Yes please!! I’d actually be fine with this.
dshires4
Aren’t they still decently far apart on the CBT and other things as well? Seems like the international draft isn’t really all that important here and that’s what they’re battling over?
Halo11Fan
dshires4. If they are far apart and this isn’t about the international draft, I will be relieved. If it’s about the draft, then the players are being unreasonable and this won’t end until they start negotiating in good faith.
BLIN7Y
So, they should just negotiate away a Right of people that are not only not part of this Country but who are also not part of the Union, Really?
seanmc1983
No, they were a grand total of $22MM apart in the CBT over 5 seasons, $25MM in the 2022 pre arb pool number as of the last known proposal from the players. There’s no way to know whether the owners had agreed to close those small gaps, because the players never saw that proposal – it was contingent on choosing 1 of the 3 international draft options the owners proposed.
Patrick OKennedy
10 K apart in the minimum salary each year
CBT- 2M apart in the first year,, growing to 8 M by the fifth year
Bonus pool 25M in 2022, growing to 45 M in 2026 because of player increases and owners no increases
There might have been other things not yet solved, such as some player proposals about the draft lottery and odds of being selected (the number of ping pong balls?)
The players included all of these things in their comprehensive proposal.
The owners said they would have a comprehensive response today.
Instead, the owners gave them an ultimatum with their three options.
They refused to discuss the other issues until the players chose one of the three.
When the players made a counter offer, the owners canceled games
Halo11Fan
I hope it’s about money.
not alkaline
You are correct Patrick. Don’t know why some people are saying different. Perhaps they are shills for the owners.
not alkaline
Yes Patrick. Thats just what happened.
stymeedone
How difficult would it have been to choose one of the options?
Bill Kane
In 2021 only 14 players got qualifying offers. The draft wouldn’t go into effect till 2024 so the draft effects 14 year old kids. Seems crazy to lose a season over that. Free agents out there now won’t get jobs this year because of these negotiations
Supplanter
This is all about getting something big back because the owners care a lot about an international draft. Its not about players, its about using the leverage they have.
Patrick OKennedy
Here’s the deal
The two sides agree to a new CBA that excludes the QO FA compensation and the international draft. They report Friday, 162 game season, and talk about those issues over the summer. Neither issue is worth this.
not alkaline
Patrick I hope they read your post. Makes a lot of sense
letsgomets 2
This literally was the players’ offer to MLB, and they didn’t even listen.
Give an ultimatum, don’t respond to the players’ reply, then cancel two more series, and it’s the players fault?
Yeah, no.
stymeedone
But it “literally” wasn’t the player offer. They had to add that the QO gets removed while they think on it.
tenten
Don’t buy the owner narratives, they always come with something new, a deadline or cancel games.
It is a negotiation and they are close, there is no need for canceling games, it’s just a strategy to exasperated the fans.
There are many owner with no desire to win, they always on the bottom 10.
The players want a fair deal.
They are getting closer….
Halo11Fan
I remember the Sydergaard thread where I said the compensation draft pick was going away. I don’t think one person agreed with me. Go look it up.
They said at best it would go away next year. Well, that’s what the owner’s proposed, table it until next year, and now people are up in arms.
It shows you how disingenuous your side is being. I’m so glad few fans are buying what you are selling.
Patrick OKennedy
13 QO’s were made this year
All of them made in November, during the old CBA
I would expect those former teams to get compensation, if a qualifying contract is signed
1 was accepted, Brandon Belt
Of the 12 declined, 7 signed contracts before the OLD CBA expired
Arguably, those players are subject to compensation, although it can be bargained
5 remain:
Story
Freeman
Conforto
Castellanos
Correa
So the players proposed that those guys not be subject to compensation this year? That’s the difference in the proposal?
The Dodgers or Padres would forfeit a second and fifth round pick
A revenue sharing payee would forfeit their third highest pick
Any other team would give up it’s second highest pick
Surely, this is not worth throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I get it. The mere idea of a penalty for signing a free agent player is repugnant. It should be gone. It should never have been agreed to.
But Five players. And 2nd, 3rd highest picks.
And from the owners- the players don’t want an international draft. They told you that, year after year after year. So you renege on the FA compensation concession that you claimed to make. You are lying scum.
Your deadlines suck, your ultimatums suck, and you don’t give a rats arse abut the game of baseball or the fans.
Halo11Fan
I don’t think they will. I’ve been talking about this for months and not one person cared. Not one person. Now the owners want to table it and some fans think it the biggest issue there is.
I don’t think fans are being honest. Why is it all of a sudden a big deal? It’s because the players told to think it was a big deal. No other reason.
The owners want to table it. But somehow something that fans didn’t care about became an ultimatum.
People have picked a side and even when something this obvious presents itself, they won’t change their mind.
atomicfront
It’s the big agents using the players as pawns.
Patrick OKennedy
The owners clearly presented the players with an ultimatum.
Redwolves3
Simple solution to free agent compensation don’t sign any of the 5 listed:
Story
Freeman
Conforto
Castellanos
Correa
Patrick OKennedy
Ahhh, collusion!
Been there, done that, got the lawsuit.
Patrick OKennedy
As I understand it, the players immediately rejected the proposal that could reopen the CBA, then they discussed the other two.
Rather than just reject the FA comp and the Int’l draft, they suggested talking during the season, take the QO for this year. They made an offer. They didn’t stop talking. They didn’t cancel games. They made an offer.
Halo11Fan
They didn’t want to start the season and table it. So Steve all those who wanted the owners to start the season without a CBA and are OK with the players refusing to table a hot topic and start the season are full of crap?
Of course they are.
Patrick OKennedy
A proposal to let owners reopen the CBA in 3 years over an issue that the players don’t think they will ever agree to was a non starter.
Bud Selig’s last CBA included a clause that they would discuss an international draft. It was his fondest unfulfilled wish and it never got done because the owners weren’t going to give up anything for it and couldn’t convince the players it was worth much.
JoeBrady
But Five players. And 2nd, 3rd highest picks.
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I seriously doubt many teams consider the draft loss when signing the $200M+ players. I looked at 2010-2014, the 2nd round average 1 10+ WAR per year. It hurts if you lose a potential 10 WAR player, but the odds are 30:1 against you getting that player.
IMO, and I have never changed my mind on this, they should go back to the Type A, B, C players. Agree on what constitutes an A, B & C. Punish the signer for an A. Give the losing team a supplemental #1 for an A, a #3 for a B, and a 5th rounder for a C.
This feels like a gun control argument, where I could propose something that 80% of the people would agree with, but the 10% extremists on both sides can derail.
Give the owners the QO, kill the draft, flip a coin to settle the other matters.
dkcsmc1991
More than fair. Players are the stall here not the owners.
fox471 Dave
Back at it again I see, tenten. Please just stop. This is no longer an owners issue. It is all on the players now. No one, including the players, care about this made up issue of international draft. Well, except Steroid Dave Ortiz.
atomicfront
Ortiz won’t miss any paychecks so what does it matter to him if players don’t get paid.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
We really have nothing to complain about. Right now my lights are on, WiFi signal is strong. Food in my belly. Baseball would be a nice distraction though.
CravenMoorehead
I don’t really care for the owners, but at this point the players are starting to look like the spoiled rich kid who gets upset because his parents got him a Mercedes Benz and not a Lamborghini.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Just cancel the season.
CravenMoorehead
Ladies and gentleman….Thee Voice of REASON.
[Applause]
Yankee Clipper
[Fake applause from 80’s sitcom track]
LordD99
Keep talking. You’ll get there.
CravenMoorehead
That’s what I used to say to my ex-wife during Netflix and Chill.
48-team MLB
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S THIS IS RIDICULOUS!
Weasel 2
If you’re upset at the players and not the owners; you are unfortunately ignorant of our own history and the specific history of baseball.
48-team MLB
Speaking of weasels, I had the Winnipeg Weasels as one of the teams for a Canadian Baseball League.
Halo11Fan
If you are upset with the players, you have a brain.
dkcsmc1991
Calling someone with a differing opinion ignorant? Thanks for thinking so much of yourself.
Motown is My Town
Weasel 2..U r 100% right… if the owner could, they’d reinstitute the reserve clause and go back to the 1940’s in the way they paid players. Ralph Kiner led the NL in homers in 1947 or 1948 but the Pirates finished in last place. When he asked for a raise the following season the Pirates GM told Kiner they were reducing his salary since they would have finished in last place without him. The owners miss those days and want them back
atomicfront
And if the players had there way tickets would be $10000
not alkaline
Yes they would Jayheck.
alwaysgo4two
This “roadblock” of the international draft issue is a red herring. It’s something else, probably not that significant. There’s been a lot of animosity going back and forth.
Braves&nolesfan
Im tried of the updates just tell us when the agreement is in place and baseball can resume.
Camden453
What a clown show. The moment they announced Manfred as the commissioner I knew it would be a disaster
I dont know how you can’t see how bad that guy is
CravenMoorehead
Rob Manfred, also known as Sneaky Rob, is a total failure. Very incompetent!
dkcsmc1991
He’s great for the owners and that’s who he works for so he’s actually doing a great job.
bucsfan0004
Way to give the guy a chance. So nice of you to form an opinion of someone knowing nothing about him. Ok, so he’s not great, but the players today are as unreasonable today as theyve ever been. Selig was a bad commissioner too but there’s some kind of revisionist history narrative out there that he was decent. He wasn’t. The record books are ruined because of Selig, which is 10x worse than anything Manfred has done.
Metsfan1 13
I guess the PA got home, looked at their twitter, realized public perception has completely turn on them and ran back to the negotiating table.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Owners: please just cancel the season. Thanks.
Simple Simon
Baseball is interesting in April but not compelling — skip it. They play too many games anyway.
MoeChillin
You should find a new site to take your trash.
davidk1979
Lol every insider reporting this but clueless Nightengale says it’s not true
mgomrjsurf
He hasen’t Reported a Tweet on MLB Network today.
RFA/World Draft solves problem.
CravenMoorehead
Nightengale….lol name sounds like an 80s television drama series about a bachelor cop who lives in New Jersey.
Halo11Fan
I’ve been talking about this qualifying offer going away for months. No one agreed with me, Not one poster. Now that it appears that it might not go away and the owners wanted it tabled for a year, some fans are outraged that it’s not going away.
Don’t believe me, go to the qualifying offer write up where I wrote the topic was irrelevant. Go to the Noah Syndergaard write up.
Some people are being 100 percent disingenuous.
Holy Cow!
You’re kind of a drama dude, aren’t you?
Simple Simon
Love thyself!
48-team MLB
Since there is STILL no baseball, it’s time for a POLL.
Which is the best wing flavor?
A) Mild Buffalo
B) Hot Buffalo
C) Honey BBQ
D) Lemon Pepper
E) Parmesan Garlic
F) Spicy Garlic
G) Caribbean Jerk
H) Habanero BBQ
I) Mango Habanero
J) Three Mile Island
K) Honey Chipotle
CravenMoorehead
HAWT BUFFA-LOW
BeansforJesus
L) Mayo
t3f
Having grown up outside of Buffalo I hate to admit that Parmesan Garlic is the best. That is followed closely by Hot Buffalo and then Mango Habanero.
t3f
I’ll take any of those three while watching Premier League football on Peacock.
Patrick OKennedy
Onion rings
NyHoppz
Thai chili is the goat
antsmith7
Bring back the QO, get rid of the draft. Play baseball!
BeansforJesus
Tony Clark rocking the Ali Khamenei beard. Didn’t know you could get a shape-up from the Amish.
CravenMoorehead
INSHALLAH
BeansforJesus
ALLAH KAREEM
JoeBrady
I heard from reliable sources that they reached an agreement.
Then a brawl broke out over how to split the $200 lunch tab. Both sides said they would return a proposal on the $200 within two days.
CravenMoorehead
Buster Olney juicy material right there.
48-team MLB
Hopefully it was at least some good steak or ribs.
Cray MC
It’s a hopeless deadlock. Even if they agree on who pays how much for the lunch, then there’s the issue of the tip: both amount and responsibility for paying.
And once that gets worked out, there’s negotiating the matter of whose card they put it on (for the reward points).
P.S. – However much the tip is, if it becomes public, someone will say it’s not enough.
BeansforJesus
They wouldn’t tip. Like how teams refuse to provide additional compensation to prearb players when they have amazing seasons.
The restaurant employees can just use this meal as a springboard when it comes time for them to start collecting tips.
Cray MC
I bet the restaurant employees are starting a comment thread someplace about how this will get resolved and who even cares any more.
Simple Simon
Wrong: amazing seasons are rewarded.
BeansforJesus
Are you sure Simon? Isn’t Jack Flaherty’s issue with the Cardinals the fact he had an amazing season and the next year they kept his pay at league minimum. The whole situation had people writing articles about how they won’t be able to extend him and it created a rift between the club and the player.
gwell55
2 months you mean on the lunch tab proposal
Cray MC
Sorry, not sure of the 2 months reference. MLB-players will be worked out before that. MLB-players-lunchtab-tip? Could take longer.
gwell55
Main reference actually… it was to this:
JoeBrady
50 mins ago
I heard from reliable sources that they reached an agreement.
Then a brawl broke out over how to split the $200 lunch tab. Both sides said they would return a proposal on the $200 within two days.
Yankee Clipper
There is only one way to truly solve this contentious issue in a timely manner – high stakes game of poker, winner take all.
Fever Pitch Guy
Former Yankees pitcher Kenny Rogers is the dealer?
Cray MC
I’m ready to bet that the best poker-playing owners would beat the best poker-playing MLB players in that game.
Yankee Clipper
Hey, winner-take-all is winner-take-all. No complaints.
FPG: Brilliant reference!
fundaysunday
Please just keep talking. Doesn’t seem like the sides are terribly far apart. Let’s get the baseball season started.
Augusto Barojas
Does it really sound like the sides are close to actually agreeing on something? I find that hard to believe based on the seeming sentiment of the past few articles on their progress. I don’t put that much importance on it either way, but if the season started before June I would have been surprised from the way things have sounded at times. Maybe they are closer, or is this more BS?
masam99
MLB wants to declare a win. They are willing to punt April away for bargaining leverage with complete disregard for fans. I don’t believe that MLBPA cares about fans either, but they are not tanking the sport.
Simple Simon
Baseball is interesting in April but not compelling — skip it. They play too many games anyway.Just who does care about April baseball?
implant
You know who wants no international draft? Agents.
5toolMVP
Why the MLBPA resistance for an international draft? It works for US high school and college players.
Just put them all in the same annual draft pool and be done!
Patrick OKennedy
I would really like to hear more from players about the international draft objections.
I understand the reasoning five years ago when these kids would have been at the mercy of one club, with no option for college, and they’d have to take what owners offered them. But if the bonuses are now guaranteed, and the slots will pay them more than what they’d get in today’s system, then I don’t see the objection. Maybe I’m missing something.
Putting them into one draft is problematic. For one thing international players can be signed at 16, so there’s a big gap there.
Fever Pitch Guy
I think the main reason for the objection is not being able to choose which team to play for.
A top player who has dreams of playing for the Yankees or Dodgers probably won’t be too happy getting drafted by the Pirates or Orioles.
Yankee Clipper
FPG: That’s the main reason and it has many unintended (or maybe specifically intended consequences). I disagree with it for that reason and because I feel that until they have something set in place it could create a fairly deep void in the international development system among teams. Yankees aren’t going to bring in 14-year-old kids to train up for the Red Sox to draft, imo. In some way, that system will suffer.
Fever Pitch Guy
Clip – I agree, the training and other benefits that the players have been receiving long before their 16th birthday – many of which are kept a secret – would cease with a draft.
And maybe I missed it, but it’s possible with a draft the minimum age for signing would increase to 17 or 18. So yeah, international players would fight that.
implant
High school and college kids have the same dream but have to play for the team that drafts them
stymeedone
USA kids don’t get to choose. Regardless of the team, they will be happy to get the money.
not alkaline
On the surface an international draft seems like a good idea. But if the owners want it this bad they might have something up their sleeve.
BeansforJesus
An international draft would be weird. They can’t choose the team they play for and that team sponsors their visa. So it’s play for us or don’t come to the country. It basically takes away any choice the player has. Domestic players can still refuse to sign and remain in the states.
Living and working in the US is a major draw for a lot of international players. Taking away their only bargaining chip in contract negotiations is a huge downside.
atomicfront
Most of them never make it off the island.
Dustyslambchops23
They’ve taken care of that scenario with fixed signing bonus. There’s no negotiations.
BeansforJesus
A draft would require negotiations. What’s stopping teams from drafting high school players first and blowing their pools on them then basically saying “international players can be had in later rounds because they basically have to take what they are offered, or wait another year or more because they don’t have the option of college”
Including international players in the draft is basically slapping them in the face. Most make it in spite of their situation unlike elite American players. Not to mention all the people in the peripheries that treat the player as a piece of luggage being transferred between countries.
implant
Why should international players get to choose which team they want to play for but high school and college kids do not?
BeansforJesus
They do get to choose. They can go to college on scholarship or even play abroad. With the safety net of remaining in the US if they don’t get their desired deal.
Many International players have the desire to work and live in the US, so the quicker the better. Most dont have the luxury of refusing to sign and waiting. A draft takes away their bargaining power completely.
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#BREAKING CBA talks are NOT over.
MLB and the players union are discussing tonight (over the phone) the int’l draft and draft pick compensation issue that derailed talks earlier today. A source in the league says a full 162 game season is still in play. Buckle up folks!
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My prediction remains that they will reach an agreement on Thursday, March 24, 2022.
Fever Pitch Guy
I dunno, I’m beginning to think a deal will happen this week. And my original prediction was not until May 4th.
They are going at it 17 hours a day, that’s a sign they want a deal.
Yankee Clipper
Manfred promised me a May start on the phone, so I’m sure he will pull through for me. I selected that in the pool thus it must come true!
Fever Pitch Guy
I’d rather have April games than a subscription to MLBTR, so I won’t mind if my May 4th agreement prediction goes by the wayside.
Especially now that I’ve figured out how to get my questions answered in chats.
Yankee Clipper
“ Especially now that I’ve figured out how to get my questions answered in chats.”
Cheater!!
– I keep it to support these guys for all the work they do. They put forth good material for us so it’s my way to show appreciation and give back a little. The chats with the retired MLB guys are pretty cool too, if you haven’t had the opportunity to do those yet.
Fever Pitch Guy
I agree, this is a top-notch site and the one I spend the most time on.
And it’s not cheating, it’s compensation for all the prior times that I got shut out. LOL
Halo11Fan
Let me be political correct, I couldn’t give a flying leap how Australian and European players feel about international draft
pirateking24
Cancel the season and not pay them.