Pirates outfielder Bryan Reynolds turned down multiple extension offers prior to the 2021 season, reports Craig Mish of SportsGrid and the Miami Herald (Twitter links). News of rebuffed extension efforts will only serve to further trade speculation surrounding Reynolds, though the Bucs surely have a sky-high asking price, as he’s emerged as their best player and can be controlled via arbitration for another four years.
Reynolds recently told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he didn’t talk about a long-term deal between the end of the 2021 season and MLB’s implementation of the lockout that froze transactions for 99 days, although that shouldn’t be taken as an indication that the Pirates have given up hope of signing him, even in light of today’s report from Mish. Extension talks are often reserved for Spring Training, with teams preferring to spend the bulk of the offseason exploring free agent and trade possibilities. The Pirates explored a possible extension with Reynolds prior to the 2020 season as well, though those talks obviously proved unfruitful as well.
Mish adds, as he’s previously reported in the past, that the Marlins still hold keen interest in prying Reynolds from Pittsburgh, and longtime Marlins beat writer Joe Frisaro tweets the same — that Reynolds remains a target for GM Kim Ng and her staff now that the lockout has lifted. They won’t be the only team with interest, of course, as there are several other teams in the hunt for outfield upgrades. The Yankees, Astros, Angels, Braves, Brewers and Mariners have all unsuccessfully tried to trade for Reynolds over the past year alone, and there are undoubtedly other clubs who’ve done so more quietly. The Phillies, Guardians and White Sox are all expected to pursue outfield help in this second wave of offseason activity.
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Realistically, the list of teams without any interest in trading for Reynolds is likely shorter than the list of teams who’d like to add him to their outfield mix. The switch-hitting 27-year-old finished fourth in NL Rookie of the Year voting in 2019 after posting a huge .314/.377/.503 batting line with 16 home runs, 37 doubles and four triples. He followed that with the quintessential “sophomore slump” in 2020’s shortened season (.189/.275/.357), but that came in a small-ish sample of just 208 plate appearances. Reynolds not only rebounded in 2021 but turned in his best year yet, batting .302/.390/.522 with 24 homers, 35 doubles and a league-leading eight triples. That 2020 flop looks like an aberration at this point, and Reynolds’ overall line .290/.368/.490 in 1400 big league plate appearances is immensely tantalizing for any club seeking outfield upgrades.
Of course, it’s also tantalizing for the Buccos to keep Reynolds and hope to build around him moving forward. Teams will undoubtedly try to persuade the Pirates to part ways with their newest star, but the Pirates’ rebuild is well underway and Reynolds will still be in his prime as prized prospects like Oneil Cruz, Henry Davis, Liover Peguero, Nick Gonzales and others percolate up to the Majors. The Pittsburgh farm is already ranked third in the game by the team at Baseball America, third by ESPN’s Kiley McDaniel and sixth by Keith Law of The Athletic. That system will be further bolstered when Pittsburgh picks fourth overall in this summer’s draft. Eventually, the Pirates will need to shift their focus to wins at the big league level, and Reynolds could be a huge part of that — or perhaps the final player moved on the path to building up MLB’s best overall farm system.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
Why haven’t there been any FA deals yet?!
Benjamin560
We’ll take him for a package centered around Emerson Hancock.
I heard Pittsburgh wants P Max Meyers more though. Both would have to be packaged to get a deal done. Pirates said to view both pitchers as Aces.
DarkSide830
Hancock, Marte, and France
drfelix
I can see them doing this if they pony up and land Freeman which they have plenty of money to do
szielinski
You won’t get him for that. The M’s would need to trade either Rodriguez or Marte AND Hancock and Williamson.
drfelix
We do know one thing Dipoto was in on Reynolds last July trade deadline! Didn’t land him but Dipoto wanted him. Seattle has the most top pitching prospects in MLB and are loaded…with the #1 ranked farm system. I can see them giving up a few top pitchers…for four years of club control for Reynolds
drfelix
No way Julio Rodriguez or Marte are involved in a trade
28rings
teams are probably having internal discussions right now about how new CBA rules will affect the players they already have so they can access their needs against how much money they will have available to spend
YankeesBleacherCreature
Guys still need to pass team physicals before signings are announced per usual. Camp just opened.
Darryl Rhubarb
Teams don’t want to make it too obvious that they’ve been doing business during the lockout. They at least need to wait a couple days to not raise suspicions.
mathblaster
Come on, Cleveland. Acquire this man. Trade one or many of the million infield prospects.
Robertowannabe
LOL! The Bucs are loaded with infield prospects themselves. That is the last thing that will get them to trade Reynmolds
mathblaster
But imagine having EVEN MORE! Yeah, okay, maybe CLE/PIT don’t line up well as trade partners…
YourDreamGM
Cleveland is interested in trading veterans for prospect package hauls. Not giving away a bunch of high upside prospects.
CKinSTL
It just depends where they are in their cycle. Yes, there have been a lot of veteran-for-prospect deals thr last few years.. but Cleveland has shown willingness to deal some of their prospects for veterans, when they are in contention. Andrew Miller, Brad Hand, Josh Donaldson, Jay Bruce, Jonathan Lucroy (agreed upon but vetoed) all come to mind.
YourDreamGM
Teams have gotten a lot stingier with their prospects this decade and it’s a all star center fielder with 4 cheap years of control.
LordD99
A wise man.
Mackster248
I feel being safe and getting the money now would have been the best way to go. I wonder what the deal he declined was?
I feel perhaps a 6yr/120m would have been fair?
RunDMC
Do you think PIT put forth that robust of an offer? Bear in mind the report states it was PRIOR to his 2021 breakout season and after his bad 2020 season (71 OPS+).
Mackster248
True, good point. In that case they most likely low balled the hell out of him then.
ElGaupo77
They already have him for 4 years for approx $50M. Why guarantee 6/120?
Treehouse22
Agreed. Since they’ll never offer him what he’s worth, he will be better off waiting until the Bucs trade him. Meanwhile, the Bucs get a great player until the trade deadline in 2025. He’ll probably get $4.5 mil in 2022; $8.5 mil in 2023; $12 mil in 2024; and $15 mil in 2025. That’s only $40 mil. He can then sign a ridiculous contract with the Yanks or Dodgers in his age 31 season, just in time for his inevitable decline.
elmedius
There’s no way the pirates offered that. Them: more like 6/60.
YourDreamGM
Yep 6 60 at best, probably a 7 50 or 60. Buy out at the time his much cheaper arbitration and add a 12 and 15 million team option years.
alwaysgo4two
Knowing the Pirates they tried to buy low after the terrible 2020 season. Bryan knew he’d come back.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, I wonder what that deal consisted of in its entirety.
RunDMC
“Hey Bryan, don’t you give up. We believe you’re better than that 55-game 71 OPS+ so much we’re willing to offer you 7/$48M. Who knows if we’ll even have baseball in 2021 during this pandemic?”
– Anonymous PIT FO executive
Jaysfan1981
Jays should be in on him, Switch hitting, decent arm, decent speed, above average bat.
We can use Gurriel or Teo as trade bait (in other deals) if we made a deal with Pittsburgh.
What’s the realistic cost though, how many prospects is Pittsburgh looking for?
AndyMeyer
Most definitely a top 2 prospect +
Robertowannabe
Yeah, it will cost plenty to get Reynolds right now 4 yrs of control and looks like a stud. Starting with Gurriel or Hernandez will not come close to making a deal.
Jaysfan1981
@Gozurman.
Yes, you’re correct. I dont envision Pittsburgh wanting either of Gurriel or Teo at this current time, nor was I suggesting it.
I’d assume they’d want younger guys like Groshans and Kloffenstein (spelling?)
If you’re a Pittsburgh fan, does that interest you?
Robertowannabe
Normally I would say yes 3b/SS would not necessarily intrigue me that much considering they already fairly loaded in that area.
Jaysfan1981
@Gozurman
Unfortunately for the Jays 7 of our top 10 prospects are considered SS/3B
The 3 others being a Catcher in Moreno (who will only be included in a Jram type trade, mvp or Cy young candidate level players) and 2 SP in Kloffenstein (who might debut this year) and Hogland who fell just outside the top 100 lists but is still a year or two away
Biggio is the only other realistic younger (and I don’t think he’s that much younger than Reynolds) guy I can see being any use to Pittsburgh and I don’t think the Jays are interested in trading him at a lower value than they perceived plus his value to the Jays positionaly and being a LHH
I guess we figured this one out as fans , no Front offices needed lol
Which teams do you want calling you if you’re Pittsburgh? Have your eyes on any players you’d think make sense for your team?
rememberthecoop
Almost any team should be interested in this guy. But it would take a silly offer to pry him away. Way beyond what most teams would be comfortable doing. A top 20 overall player – not top 20 in a team’s system – PLUS more.
MatthewLVT17
The Mets could possibly make a package around Vientos and/or Maurcurio. Maybe add a starting pitcher prospect and a guy like Kalil Lee?
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Nope
A_Cespedes_For_The_Rest_Of_Us
No way dude
Package would really have to be something like Baty (25-50 range prospect), Mauricio (50-75 range prospect) and Ginn (100-150 range prospect) to bring back an all star caliber cf in his prime w 4 years of control
And honestly there are teams that could potentially beat that offer by including a top 25 guy (Mets are for sure not moving Alvarez)
BartoloHRball
As a Mets’ fan I’d hate to lose out on Baty, but you move him 10 out of 10 times if those 3 got 4 yrs of Reynolds. I think that is a very fair package because the Mets def would have pause, but ultimately they are in a “Win Now” mode.
YourDreamGM
They were looking for top 10 15 and found zero takers. I believe they would take two top 100 or one top 50 and a few top 200. Cherington loves quantity but I think with Reynolds he will require a unanimous top prospect or two.
AndyMeyer
Come on Phillies. Your farm system is bare but to acquire this type of talent to fill your most glaring need is enticing
MC Tim C
Phillies don’t have the farm system to get Reynolds.
lemonlyman
Stott, Abel, and Painter would get the Pirates attention. The Phillies have enough to get it done, but it would literally wipe out their farm system. Bad idea in my opinion.
A_Cespedes_For_The_Rest_Of_Us
I honestly don’t think that package would get it done — see my post about the Mets above.. I don’t even know if that gets it done and bay / Mauricio are generally seen as significantly better prospects than Abel/Stott (batys top rank in the big rankings list is 13 and Mauricio 51 vs Stott at 67 and Abel at 41 and generally speaking most rankings have it Baty Abel Mauricio Stott) w painter and Ginn more or less equivalent as 100-150 ish range guys
I just don’t know that you really have the top ranked talent to get it done
Bob333
TOO MUCH
JoeBrady
I like the Philly package a lot more. Baty is still iffy, and Mauricio has a huge amount of errors and strikeouts.
I’d say Stott has the same mid-50 type of ranking, but a higher floor and a lower ceiling than Mauricio. Painter has looked like the #13 overall so far,’
That said, it would be a stupid trade for Philly. To Lemon’s point, you can’t wipe out the farm without getting someone really elite.
VonPurpleHayes
If that package doesn’t get it done, the Pirates are dumb. That would be an idiotic trade for the Phillies.
DarkSide830
I think PIT would take Abel, Stott, and Painter, just Philly wouldn’t offer that.
cheesesteak
I would offer Abel, Stott, And Crouse. Reynolds changes the whole lineup having him and Segura, both @ .300 hitters, in front of Harper. Harper hitting with baserunners and no shift sounds fun.
AndyMeyer
Unfortunately no.
rememberthecoop
I wouldnt necessarily say “unfortunately” because, as good as Reynolds is, the Phils shouldn’t move Stott IMO. I don’t know what position he will play – most likely second base – but the bat is going to play. But you never want to wipe out all of your top farm guys that’s not good business.
mike127
Love it—-checking religiously to see what’s happening today and we get breaking news from 2021!
whyhayzee
So they couldn’t wrap Reynolds.
Their attempts were foiled.
rememberthecoop
I see you there.
30 Parks
Restoring the Titanic would be less work than rebuilding the Pirates. Good choice, Bryan.
YourDreamGM
Easy to rebuild any team if you have a decent gm. Trade all your veterans for prospects and draft high for 2 or 3 years. Bam you are rebuilt. Just need to have the player development infrastructure. Nationals went from maybe the worst farm system to late teens or 20th in a week. Cubs did similar. Pirates are well on their way.
30 Parks
Is that how a team rebuilds? I had no idea.
ElGaupo77
No, he had a bad 2020. He could extend now for triple the money
48-team MLB
Which would be most entertaining in 10 years?
Pirates/Athletics
Pirates/Tigers
Pirates/Royals
Pirates/SPIDERS
DarkSide830
Hayes, Reynolds, Cruz, Davis, and Gonzales will probably all be gone in 10 years. Royals/Tigers
dsett75
Reynolds not accepting the extension can only mean that he’s gone once he hits FA.
Robertowannabe
Not accepting an extension with 5 years of control left is not and indication of much of anything. Probably an ok offer but considering he would have all of his arb years available, it was most likely not anything more than he would expect to receive through the Arb process so he would turn it down banking on himself.. I am sure the Bucs will offer something better but if he indicates a preference to head to FA after getting his ARB money, he will be traded because most teams that are not in the top 1/3 in revenue teams would not be able to compete with the top 1/3 in a bidding war. He could be gone after the 2023 season or sooner if a team blows Cherington away with an offer before that.
Friarguy19
Where’s the free agency rush? Nobody wants to be first? Yankees announce Freeman, Correa and Rodon at the same news conference.
MC Tim C
Not going to lie it’s been pretty disappointing that NO ONE has signed so far. You know teams were tampering during the lockout so there should be some deals going down!
kodion
They have to give the appearance, at least, of complying with lock-out restrictions …give them til noon eastern
Friarguy19
You were almost exactly right. Thank you, St. Louis!
GinaNCRaysFan
I don’t know why so many people are willing to believe that teams tampered during the lockout. Never mind the fact that they faced repercussions if they did so, and the owners position would have been weakened if teams offered players big deals while crying poverty. I think most front offices were probably above board during the lockout, and the sketchy ones decided it wasn’t worth the trouble.
Willy Smith
I don’t think the Yankees sign Freddie.
andrewgauldin
He will be a Marlin within the next 2 weeks.
I can confirm, I’m from the future.
rememberthecoop
Instead of wasting your time with baseball why don’t you give us the winning lottery numbers?
szielinski
The Marlins can acquire Reyonlds for Meyer, Perez, Watson. That’s too much for Reyonlds? It is an underpayment. To generate an exchange of equivalent values the Marlins would need to add another player with enough values to cover the shortfall.
This trade makes sense for both teams. For both the trade will draw upon the strengths of each system. The Marlins have pitching, the Pirates have hitters in the minors.
It’s easy to speculate about a potential trade. It’s harder to complete it.
szielinski
It’s worth noting that the Marlins are further down the build path than the Pirates. My trade proposal would not directly alter the Marlin’s ML roster, only add too it.
YourDreamGM
I feel that would definitely get it done.
Mjm117
You’re absolutely right @szielinksi. On top of Meyer, Perez, and Watson, Marlins need to add either Burdick and/or Bleday PLUS their 1st round pick in the international draft every year until 2030. .
And even then its still not enough for Reynolds unless the Fish also agree to pay at least half of those players future salaries.
Its only fair. .
MarlinsFanBase
I love playing these games with Pirates fans. First we had to pay JT Realmuto value for Stallings. Now we have to trade Trout value for Reynolds.
This will be fun once we see what the Pirates actually trade Reynolds for. I imagine none of these Pirates trade suggesters will show their face for awhile like they all were silenced when the Marlins actually got Stallings for far far far less than Pirates fans were saying.
You Can Put It In The Books
And you won’t be around once the season starts and the Marlins are 20 games out by July.
szielinski
The M’s would do better with Reynolds in their lineup.
szielinski
The Marlins system does not have Trout Value. In my trade proposal, the Marlins would underpay for Reyonlds.
MarlinsFanBase
@You Can Put It In The Books
I’m here all the time through thick and thin. What type of fan do you take me for? I’m not you.
MarlinsFanBase
@szielinski
Underpay? LOL! I can’t wait to see you own up to being wrong about your trade expectations when Reynolds is traded for less than your suggestion.
Mjm117
HAHAHAHA
Trout value? Are you insinuating Reynolds = Trout? Wow
I thought Mets fans were delusional.
DodgerOK
Good for him. The Pirates are only committed to losing as cheaply as possible. They need at least one star player to sell jerseys.
terry g
I doubt he gets traded at all unless the Pirates get blown away by an offer.
solaris602
Agreed. There’s no urgency at this point or even a year from now. Pirates will only deal him sooner if someone blows their doors off. The cost in prospect capital at this point is too daunting for any organization.
Mjm117
The longer the Bucs wait to trade Reynolds the more the return value will drop. Bucs should trade him now when the kettle is hot and his value is at its highest.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Reynolds’ agent had to explain to Nutting that $6.35/hour is not an acceptable offer, on multiple levels.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Don’t blame him
El Dude
Well, Reynolds could probably afford to turn down the extension because he has all that money from the Deadpool movies and selling Aviation Gin, right?
rememberthecoop
Wrong Reynolds.
El Dude
Oh, I must’ve been thinking of Burt Reynolds. Thanks!
dsett75
Welp, Pittsburgh may as well trade him for a king’s ransom (if they can get it & I think they can), because him not accepting the extension can only mean that he’s gone when he hits free agency.
Bravesfan59
sign him Atlanta
Bravesfan59
braves send nucombe,pache,waters,wright,conterras
ElGaupo77
Braves system is way down. Doubt they could get it done.
bobtillman
You’re never going to build a winning culture (and keep a dedicated fan base) by constantly churning through your best players. There should be enough talent bubbling up from a very decent system in the next couple of years, Ben’s a smart guy, the park is incredibly gorgeous. Ya, with two of the better FO’s (STL and MILW) in the division and another behemoth that can win whenever they want (CHI), it’s a tough road for a mid-market team like the Bucs; and any realignment probably doesn’t change it much. But the foundation is there to turn it around. Why delay the process?
Pay the man. Not necessarily extend, just take him through arbitration the next 4 available years. And build around him.
YourDreamGM
College football and basketball disagree with your first sentence. Pirates will prove you wrong at the mlb level shortly. They are going to operate just like the rays and fans will turn out for the next decade.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Pirates are the only team to never draw over 2.5 million fans in a season.
Not for Clemente, not for Stargell, not for Bonds, not for Cutch.
Good luck, Travis Swaggerty.
bobtillman
They’ve averaged about 1.5M through their (non-pandemic) years, Considering the market size, and the fact they’ve stunk many of those years, that’s far from terrible It ain’t great, but shows that with a decent team, 2-2.4M is possible, which is what teams in similar markets can expect. I’m sure the folks in St. Pete and Oakland wouldn’t mind those numbers. And no. I’m far from sure that if you drop PNC in either of those cities, they’d reach those numbers.
YourDreamGM
Pnc is small. If they match the maximum attendance every single game standing room and all they get slightly over 3 million. With Pittsburgh weather good luck.
Treehouse22
@BT I’ve been to several games in that horrific structure that the Rays call home. Every game had more fans pulling for the visitors than for the Rays. I realize it’s because most of the people living there that are baseball fans are from NY or New England, but still… They need a new park. PNC is awesome. It never gets old. Got my tickets to the home opener vs the Cubs just today. Let’s Go Bucs!
Treehouse22
Exactly BT. The Bucs should hold on to him until 31 July 2025. He’ll make about $40 mil in 4 arb years, so he won’t be homeless. He can then sign the outrageous contract with a mega market club in his age 31 season, when he begins his inevitable decline. Win-Win
DiehardFriarsFan
Reynolds to the Padres?
DiehardFriarsFan
Start Reynolds in Left Field with Jurickson Profar as his primary main backup and rest giver. Wil Myers is also on his last year of his contract………Pull the trigger on this one AJ Preller! Reynolds is coming to San Diego!
szielinski
Do the Padres have enough in the Minors for Reyonlds?
DiehardFriarsFan
I think we have enough prospect capital for him. With Pham gone and Myers soon to be gone we will have no other choice but to recruit a solid outfielder.
szielinski
The Padres would need to trade Abrams and Gore for Reyonlds. It would be an underpayment for Reyonlds, and it would depend on the values the Pirates. assign to the Padres’ players.
YourDreamGM
I don’t know what the Pirates think of Gore but they would love Hassell as much or more.
szielinski
They would.
joew
Buy out the remaining 4 years at 10/12.5/15/17.5 + performance bonuses
Give him a trigger Opt out if the pirates do not have a winning record the last two year of that. Guaranteed. 55m and likely much more in bonuses assuming health.
If the team is bad then he gets out of the contract when the rookie contract would expire. anyway.
If he doesn’t opt out 2 more years at 20m and 3 option years at 22.5. Team, Mutual, Mutual at 5/5/2m buy outs. =93more guaranteed.
Give the team a true franchise player who could reasonably retire with the Pirates.
Throw in a no trade clause for teams under 500 the previous year.
total 6 year 152M Guaranteed (assuming no opt out) + performance bonuses for the first 4 years of the contract Seems pretty good to me at todays dollar value.
It may seem like a lot, but the team can easily afford it with the payroll they have now and not a lot of position players that need to be filled through 2026. If it were me I would throw some more at it. They likely will need to fill some pitchers, but they also have a farm deep enough to make some trades.
It could be another albatross contract for Ben, but Bryan is young enough the next four years at least should be pretty productive
jbigz12
@joe
If you think he’s only going to be productive for 4 more years than you don’t give him an extension. They control him for 4 more years.
I think at this point it’s going to have to be a 7 year deal. Reynolds is already into arbitration so he’s putting himself in a position to do quite well without an extension.
joew
@jbigz12
At least the first 4 years. probably at least two more.
Arbitration isnt a guaranteed number and performance is a base of it. Assuming he does perform those first 4 years it is a guarantee plus performance.
I totally screwed up my math The end number i said was what i wanted though, but when i worked back wards i missed the mark lol
In the end we are looking at similar length just given him a opt-out, no trade and extra options. Probably at similar pay.
He doesn’t get “stuck” with a crap team and the pirates pocket books are not killed for such a longer term contract if they are performing after 4 years. If he totally bottoms out well then.. yeah that would really hurt the team. Watching him play though unless some freak injury I don’t see him bottling out.
YourDreamGM
Zero reason to buy out his arbitration if you can get at least 1 extra year after that. And it would have to be more than 20 million.
joew
@YourDreamGM
I screwed up my math the end number guarantee was what i was looking for though. but there is every reason to buy out the arbitration. No deal would be accepted if they didn’t, it just comes out to the number and any bonuses/perks
If they didn’t buy it out and bet on arbitration, that extra season isn’t going to be less than 25, probably closer to 30 to get him to consider signing.
It is almost to a point to where if they can’t get him to extend then you do consider offers that pull in elite prospects a couple years out. Plural was intentional. They could possibly still fit into the window with the rest of the talent they have.
YourDreamGM
@joew I am just saying he isn’t going to let them buy out his arbitration at any huge discount. Whatever he would be willing to accept isn’t going to be low enough for the Pirates to accept the risk.
joew
@yourdeamgm
It depends on how Ben sees it. I don’t see my ideas being a discount through arb anyway. I see him being a 3+fWAR at least, for at least through his arb. buying it out at 10m-15m/year guaranteed with some performance bonus factors would give him more incentive to extend beyond those years. since it would be more than what he would get in arbitration. 2-3fWAR is worth 10-15M if he ends up with 5=fWAR the performance bonuses would help with that too.
Toss in an opt out after those arb years if the pirates still suck then it would be a nice win for him as he would be guaranteed a good amount of money and would allow him to be with a decent team. Also wouldn’t kill the pirates payroll while keeping him around if the team is doing well.
Bob333
Reynolds to the Phils for Eflin P,Machado c,Abel p +1 McGarry P
YourDreamGM
It’s simple. Pirates want to give him Marlins Yelich contract and Reynolds wants closer to Brewers Yelich contract.
He won’t be a free agent until 31. Why would he want to sign one of those 2 years team friendly deals and be a free agent at 33? It’s either give him his final contract and pay him until 38 or he hits free agency at 31.
stretch123
Eury Perez, Kahlil Watson and JJ Bleday for Reynolds. Who says no?
joew
Pirates most likely. Unless the team and Bryan have a major falling out.
two that are very far out, and one OF who might also be a while simply because he hasn’t developed much in the lower levels. Ben has a decent eye for talent though. If he thinks JJ can be here in 23 and perform.. well.. maybe.
Changing it up to, Meyer, Burdick, Johnson, Encarnación with someone like Garrett. Basically one elite a couple possibilities probably a bench/dh type and a fringe bull pen inning eater.
or Meyer, Sánchez and Conine or Burdick would get it done. Pirates would probably have to send a fringe pitcher back and maybe some cash to help with bryan’s arbitration… But.. that eats into Miami’s window too I think(?)
stretch123
I think both deals are fair. Now that I think about it I think any deal would need two arms. Two out of Meyer, Perez, Sixto and Eder.
jtkuch
Add one of Sixto/Cabrera/Meyer and the Pirates say yes
mcmillankmm
Can’t blame the Pirates for dealing him
hooligan
Cant believe the Giants let him go… Still stings.
ChocoRolles
@hooligan That is Bobby Evans for you. Gave up a switch hitting outfielder for an over the hill McCutchen smh. His minor league peripherals were really good. That trade has been one of the worst in the last 10 years.
mlb1225
Pirates wanted a king’s and queen’s randsom for him at the 2021 trade deadline. Asked the Marlins for their top 3 prospects, which was some mix of Sixto, Meyer, and Cabrera/Bleday. When the Mariners checked in on Reynolds before the trade deadline, the Pirates were asking about the avaiability of J-Rod and Marte. I feel something will eventually be worked out. If Cherington was serious about willing to spend more once they felt they were in a good position, I’d rather them go all out on a Reynolds extension than free agents.
outinleftfield
So the article is basically saying that the Pirates tried to low ball Reynolds after the Pandemic season and he said no. So they have not reached out him again after he had an exceptional 2021 that would put him in line for a upper 8 figure or lower 9 figure extension. Makes total sense for cheapskate Nutting owned team. The only question now is when will Reynolds be traded, now or at the trade deadline?
MarlinsFanBase
Marlins will approach the Pirates and state, “You will take Bryan de la Cruz, Elieser Hernandez, and one of our secondary pitching prospects, and you will like it.”
Pirates will say, “Thank you sir. You are more knowledgeable than Pirates fans when it comes to these things.”
jtkuch
No, the Pirates will say “you’re on crack” and hang up the phone faster than if they said “your car’s extended warranty has expired”
MarlinsFanBase
You mean just like you all said they would do with Stallings?
You Can Put It In The Books
Stallings will be an All Star… in AAA
PiratesFan1981
You are all about Stallings like it was a total win for you guys. Stallings is in his thirties and last year was his peak year. Pirates just got what they could out of him and set the table for the future at the catching position. I think Marlins are going to get burnt out of that deal.
As for low balling the Pirates for a guy like Reynolds, it’s a head scratcher for anyone who knows a thing or two about players value. Reynolds value is at a all time high due to A) his production offensively and defensively B) To have a top 5 CF in all of MLB and the slim pickings for a legit one, is on every teams mind. CF is the anchor of the outfield and your typical leader out there. And that is why his price is so high. He’s one of the best CF guys out there and at a young age.
So, you mindless remarks about Stallings and low ball trade proposals for Reynolds is idiotic and trolling. At one point, Marlins was in the same position as the Bucs are now. Reynolds has the potential to be both MVP and gold glove. Don’t knock the guy if you undervalue him like you do. I am wasting my time here. So, go pound rocks and buzz off
dandan
I’ll never forgive the Giants for trading this dude. Top 10 pick talent coming out of Vanderbilt and he fell to them at like 60, only to trade him for two years of post prime McCutchen. Gotta be the worst move Bobby Evans ever made as the GM.
JR513
He will soon be elsewhere I say Mets or Yankees or Phil’s and Pittsburgh can’t afford him they don’t have the money .they need specs so they can start there rebuild there 4 or 5 years away. I’d say Hayes also involved in a lower level spec swap so they get there minors rebuilt for 5 or 6 years from now they need this type of trade to save future moneys.