7:39pm: Jon Heyman of the MLB Network tweets that rival teams don’t view it as an inevitability that the A’s trade either of Manaea or Montas. Heyman concurs Manaea seems likelier to find himself on the move than Montas but suggests it’s possible Oakland just carries both starters on its Opening Day roster.
2:39pm: It’s been a week since the Athletics’ last trade, which sent third baseman Matt Chapman to the Blue Jays in exchange for a package of four prospects. After the A’s shipped out Chris Bassitt, Matt Olson and Chapman within just a week of the lockout lifting, the expectation was that additional moves would follow.
That’s still likely to be the case, although the pace has slowed. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that Oakland’s current focus is on finding a trade partner for lefty Sean Manaea. While the general expectation has been that both Manaea and right-hander Frankie Montas will be moved, Rosenthal suggests the A’s are still still “deciding how to proceed” with Montas.
It’s only logical that for the time being, moving Manaea is the team’s bigger priority. Not only is the 30-year-old Manaea the more expensive of the two arbitration-eligible hurlers — Manaea settled on a $9.75MM salary yesterday, compared to Montas’ $5.025MM settlement — he’s also set to reach free agency after the 2022 season. Montas, meanwhile, is controlled through 2023, so the A’s could conceivably open the season with him in the rotation and shop him at the summer trade deadline, when buyers may have more urgency than they do at the moment.
Of course, the other side of that equation is that there could also be a broader supply of arms available to pitching-hungry clubs in July. At present, Manaea and Montas are the two most available starters on a trade market that still has plenty of clubs looking for arms. The Twins, Royals, Yankees, White Sox, Rays and Tigers have all reportedly spoken to the A’s about potential deals in the past week or so, and other clubs have surely done so more quietly. Oakland’s bargaining power only increased when Reds GM Nick Krall publicly declared that he did not expect to trade either Luis Castillo or Tyler Mahle, both of whom had been drawing substantial trade interest themselves.
With Castillo and Mahle ostensibly off the market and few other teams dangling proven big league starters, the A’s have plenty of negotiating leverage. Fast forward to this July, and there may be teams with enhanced motivation to buy — but there will also unquestionably be more arms available in trade. Clubs with current designs on contending will fall out of the playoff picture and look to move short-term assets.
Manaea, the No. 34 overall draft pick back in 2013, is a rental for the 2022 season but a good one. He tied for 22nd in MLB with 179 1/3 innings pitched in a 2021 campaign that saw many clubs aggressively monitor pitcher workloads on the heels of the shortened 2020 schedule. Since returning from shoulder surgery late in the 2019 season, he’s tallied 263 innings of 3.73 ERA ball (3.64 FIP, 3.78 SIERA) with a solid 24.8% strikeout rate and an excellent 5.2% walk rate. As a Boras Corporation client who’s just a year from free agency, Manaea might not be a likely extension candidate for a new team, but he’d bolster nearly any of the other 29 rotations in Major League Baseball.
Montas and Manaea aren’t the only two trade candidates remaining on Oakland’s roster, however. Center fielder Ramon Laureano and reliever Lou Trivino have both been listed as possible trade chips. Laureano, in particular, has been a target for the Marlins at times this winter, according to Craig Mish and Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. The Fish have made no secret of their desire to add a center fielder, and while their interest in Pittsburgh’s Bryan Reynolds is well-known by now, Mish and Jackson report that Miami actually had more serious negotiations with the A’s about Laureano than they did with Pittsburgh about Reynolds.
The two teams discussed myriad scenarios, one of which would’ve sent Laureano and a reliever to Miami. Outfield prospect JJ Bleday was of particular interest to the A’s, per the Herald report — although there surely would have been several other pieces going back to Oakland, particularly if the A’s were to include Trivino or another reliever in the deal. Those talks didn’t culminate in a deal, however, and the Marlins have since deepened their outfield mix with another corner option: Jorge Soler. It’s still feasible that they could rekindle talks, even if they’re presently dormant. Longtime Marlins beat writer Joe Frisaro wrote just this morning that the Fish haven’t closed the door on circling back to the trade market to make one more attempt at finding a new a center fielder.
As things stand, the A’s have just under $59MM on the books for the 2022 season. Their trades of Bassitt, Olson and Chapman have already netted them ten young players: right-hander J.T. Ginn, right-hander Adam Oller, center fielder Cristian Pache, catcher Shea Langeliers, right-hander Ryan Cusick, right-hander Joey Estes, right-hander Gunnar Hoglund, shortstop Kevin Smith, left-hander Zach Logue and left-hander Kirby Snead.
junkmale
Bleday and other prospects going to Oakland for Laureano and Trivino is such a bad trade, I’m surprised Miami didn’t jump at it.
A'sfaninUK
I would be absolutely losing my mind if the A’s got Bleday in this rebuild lol
DarkSide830
Bleday is 24 and hasn’t posted a .700 OPS in a pro season yet. Sure it’s a small sample, but Ramon is young, cheap, amd controllable. That package should start with Max, or maybe someone like Cabrera or Sixto.
A'sfaninUK
Max definitely gotta be in there too, lol
Wonder if Beane’s fave whipping boys, the White Sox, are down to trade us 4 future all-stars for Manaea lol
cwsOverhaul
Yet Kenny Williams oversaw a World Series winner in part from acquiring Neal Cotts from Beane, who was a huge part of its bullpen. Beane still has not brought home that elusive title no matter how many individual deals he may pat himself on the back about.
A'sfaninUK
Yes, we arent talking about overall performance, but I wouldnt expect annoying homer fans to be able to connect the dots.
Yawn /pats on head “yess lil guy, your team is good! all players on it are good! you win all trades and win every argument! you are better than me”
Sincerely stop it.
WolvesSufferer
Lol I like how the payroll aspect was just ignored. Billy Beane is ten times the GM Kenny Williams is.
iverbure
A’sfaninUK remember when you said the A’s weren’t going to blow it up?
cwsOverhaul
Nope. Critical of WSox as much as anyone, but it’s still a bottom line business. Oakland has been dreadful in the playoffs under his tenure…..except most recently sending them home in the brief ’20 series….pat on the head for winning that showdown.
MarlinsFanBase
@DarkSide830
JJ Bleday doesn’t have a PED suspension under his belt either.
Marlins aren’t putting Max in a deal for Ramon and Trivino combined. The other two, maybe.
ChiSoxPain
First of all, I would just like to point out I saw “Moneyball” and now realize the genius, the brilliance, the revelation of Chad Bradford as a reliever. He got no respect from those narrow-minded White Sox because he “throws funny.”
However, the movie failed to mention how alleged whipping boy Kenny Williams turned Miguel Olivo (who he got for Bradford) into Freddy Garcia a few years later and that was vital to the 2005 World Series team.
“Annoying homer fans?” A’sfaninUK you seem like the very definition of one. Yes, the Sox made a horrific trade for Samardzija… get over yourself.
thecoffinnail
Well Beane didn’t learn from the first time he dealt an All-Star 3rd baseman to the Blue Jays. Figures he would go back to the well for another drink of pure embarrassment. I hope Manaea goes to the Yankees. He was #1 on my offseason wish list. He’s a beast at Yankee Stadium. I’m sure Cashman would give Beane 2-3 prospects out of the top 4. Could Sweeney and Medina get it done? Maybe toss in Vasquez as a sweetener. All 3 are close to MLB ready.
DarkSide830
“no stop we’re already dead!” – A’s fans
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Moving the carcass to Vegas?
ayrbhoy
It is an absolute tragedy that an MLB team from a major metropolitan market, pfft! from any market, can get away with operating on such a minuscule payroll.
Just because teams like Tampa and Oakland have been able to have some success despite spending a lot of money on their roster doesn’t mean it’s okay for MLB teams to carry on doing so.
I’ve mentioned this idea a couple times before – this big business philosophy of ‘losing to win’ or tanking to rebuild would be eliminated if the relegation and promotion system was used. Its a system that works effectively all around the globe in the Worlds biggest and most lucrative sport- soccer.
You want to get rid of your best players? Hack about 30 Wins from the W-L column? Force your fans to pay same ticket prices to see AAA players in MLB uniforms? You want your team to finish last? Okay. Last place team gets relegated to AAA and wont come back up to the bigs until it wins the AAA title. Speaking of, simply have a playoff system in AAA that finds a ‘World Series (of AAA) Winner. The winning AAA team each year gets promoted to the bigs. Attendance at AAA teams increases, MLB teams will be forced to spend to be competitive or risk wandering in AAA wilderness for 5-10 yrs! Hurting owners where it counts- the wallet
thecoffinnail
Would be nice to see career AAA players get a season salary of the MLB minimum. I like your plan.
Tacoshells
Trade the whole team.
A'sfaninUK
With Hoglund and Cusick added to Muncy, the A’s now have 3 of the top 25 picks of last years draft, which was known for being pretty loaded.
Sean Murphy probably has the highest trade value in MLB, at least from a C. Being Langeliers and Soderstrom are ready or close, the A’s should look to move Murphy.
Honestly as an A’s fan, that 3 for 10 is pretty good, cant complain territory. The A’s have so many trade pieces, they might still contend this season anyway if other teams get injuries and all these high ceiling prospects break out lol
JoeBrady
I’m not sure I often, if ever, agree with you. But yeah, your rebuild is going exceptionally well, imho. It’s really premature, but I think those trades landed you four starters, and four useful pieces. The two pitchers should land you two more starters and two more pieces, and Laureano maybe another starter.
And no, you’re not awful in 2022, but you could be if the FO continues to be aggressive, as it should be.
And if any trade is screaming out to be made, it has to be Murphy to the RS in the off-season.
A'sfaninUK
The (lone) silver lining from an A’s fan perspective is that Beane explicitly isn’t targeting 19 year olds, indicating this isn’t a long term rebuild, 7 of those 10 should see MLB time this season. Hoglund is a massive wild card too, he was supposed to go top 5 but fell in the Draft, massive upside there, he might show up and throw all zeros in the minors this year.
Murphy is an upgrade on every team except the Phillies, I’m not sure Boston has the chips to go toe-to-toe with like 20 other teams. If the CJ Abrams hits the trade table, there’s zero shot on Boston competing with that.
The funny thing is the A’s could put the foot on the brake, turn around and sign Montas, Murphy and Laureano long term and spend like $20M on Brett Gardner, Asdrubal Cabrera, Tommy Pham, Dellin Betances, Andrew Miller and Tony Watson and put a sleeper team out there. A’s have a LOT of high ceiling guys who have flashed it…
iverbure
The last part of that might have been the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen on here. Like stay in reality buddy.
jbigz12
The A’s are going to be competing for last place with the rangers.
But, hey, at least they don’t have a bloated payroll like TX!
17dizzy
I like his ability and hustle he displays——- But Tommy Pham is a Head case. Only reason the Cardinals let him go.
SportsFan0000
Abrams is untouchable.
He should be the Padres starting LF.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Did more in less than a week than Al Avila has done since 2015…..it hurts.
Bigtimeyankeefan
C’mon Yankees let’s get manaea!!!
Perksy
Along with Murphy and Laureano
roiste
Couldn’t see something of that magnitude happening without Volpe plus a couple more solid prospects
Ducky Buckin Fent
I would be more than happy to see Cash merely somehow pry Laureano away from the A’s. The timing works out perfectly too. About the time he can return should be right around the time Hicksy hits the IL for the first time.
VonPurpleHayes
“About the time he can return should be right around the time Hicksy hits the IL for the first time.”
This is hilarious and sadly true.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Bums me out.
I saw Hicks coming up out here. He has all kinds of talent & skill. Was at Target Field when he supermaned it with probably the best play I’ve seen a CF make when I was at a park, serious. I’m still an Aaron Hicks fan.
But after last year’s season ending injury, even I have lost faith in him, man.
I just can’t picture him playing in a 100 games or whatever.
Mickey777
@Ducky Hicks health concern is exactly why are 4th outfielder is really a 3 1/2 not a true 4. Need a real player to fill out our outfield. I believe Laureano misses the first 28 games due to PED suspension. I’m keeping my fingers crossed.
Yankee Clipper
Depends on the price of Laureano too, obviously. A’s have asked for quite a bit from the Yankees… They know what they have so they can be patient and wait for any team to outbid another. I really like Laureano for CF.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I like how he plays too. He’s another Tough Guy.
SportsFan0000
If Cash is serous enough to give up some of his top prospects
If not, his “lowball offers” will be topped by other teams,
Captain Judge99
@Bigtimeyankeefan- Manaea will be cheaper then Montas. I want Montas. Clarke Schmidt, Randy Vasquez, Everson Pereira should get it done. If not let’s trade for Luis Castillo instead. I feel Castillo is better, but he will start the season on the IL. Montas and Castillo have a couple years of control. Manaea is a rental.
Bruin1012
That return isn’t even close for Montas it might get you Manea though that’s a fair deal for him.
Al Hirschen
Move this team to LV
DarkSide830
they can just swap the A’s and Aviators
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I hate the aviators name so much. There was nothing wrong with the 51’s
MarlinsFanBase
Why couldn’t the Athletics name apply to any location on the planet? It’s a very universal name.
DerpP
Could be wrong, but wasn’t the OP suggesting the Aviators move to Oakland and the A’s move to Las Vegas?
GinaNCRaysFan
I live in Central North Carolina, and I propose the Durham Bulls move to Tampa Bay and the Rays move to Durham. I don’t care if it makes sense, I’d be able to drive to games, so let’s do it!
ChapmansVacuum
Or just keep them in OAK but force the douch John Fishers cheap ass to sell the team to an owner who wont try to skimp on paying minor league players in a pandemic!
John Fisher sucks so so much!
Steinbrenner2728
Yeah, I honestly don’t get some of these people’s obsession with Las Vegas having an MLB team. LV has the lowest TV market size in the league (830,000) compared to the next lowest which is Milwaukee (1,689,572). People can drool over the Casinos and entertainment all they want. But the real jewel for sports teams is who they can reach and how they can profit off of that share. Of course based on that logic, John Fisher is a pile of horse-dung and should definitely sell!
A'sfaninUK
Las Vegas simply is not a pro sports city, and the Raiders disaster proves it more and more by the day. Not to mention all the Aviators hitters are OPSing 1.000 because that park is so mickey mouse rockies style.
theodore glass
What Raiders disaster? Saying things just to say them doesn’t make sense. Care to explain.
case
Overpriced luxury boxes are a huge stream of income. I imagine casinos would just comp a lot of those boxes for high rollers. I’d also guess they would have some consistent ticket sales from people not looking to gamble for 6 hours straight. TV market would suck but the stadium itself would generate a pretty big income.
JoeBrady
The Raiders are more like a universal brand than a city team. As a Raiders fan, and a fan of Las Vegas, I figure I’ll buy tickets every time I visit. They’ll be a lot of us like that.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Wait.
You’re from the Bronx. Yet you are a…sox & Raiders fan?
ltully789
Your numbers are way off. The size of the Las Vegas TV market is only a bit less than KC, Cincy and Milwaukee (Milwaukee has a TV market size of 920,000 – far less than the 1.6 million you cite). And in terms of metro area population, LV is ahead of those markets (and also ahead of Cleveland).
I couldn’t care less about whether LV gets a team, but it’s going to happen. And I suspect the A’s will welcome playing in a market where they’re not an afterthought and can escape the Giants’ shadow.
MarlinsFanBase
The funny thing is that networks like E!SPN and FOX Sports like to forget that there are a bunch of bandwagon, fad-chasing fans all over. I remember back in the 1980s seeing people in the Bronx and Queens wearing George Brett Royals jerseys and Willie Stargell Pirates jerseys.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Marlins that’s a great point. As they say, everybody loves a winner! Teams that win generally draw fair-weather fans and young kids not committed to any one team, that’s why it literally pays to win. Hal just hasn’t quite figured that out yet.
Not a clever name
JB it also effects tv revenue there’s a lot of folks in Oakland and LA that may not travel to LV for games but we will buy raider merch and watch the games on TV so the small TV market doesn’t hurt the raiders the way it would the A’s. When Ray fosse passed so did pretty much any reason to watch a A’s game on TV or listen on the Radio.
Captain Judge99
@Al Hirschen- Nah, Las Vegas doesn’t even want the A’s supposedly.
Letsplaytwotomorrow
Not with that cheap skate owner.
Joseph Gonzalez
The Yankees need at least one of these guys
Joe says...
I’m liking Manaea even if he’s not the better pitcher. The Yankees could use another lefty starter and with only one year of control, the cost shouldn’t be excessive.
Cosmo2
Both those pitchers are beasts. Any team should be wanting to acquire them.
Yankee Clipper
I agree Joe. I wanted Bassitt out of the three, but since the Mets got him, I think Manea is the best choice right now for several reasons (not necessarily the better pitcher though).
Big impact on the rotation, he’s better than German, and he reminds me a lot of early NYY CC Sabathia-style pitching.
He just needs someone to throw to…….
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I’d gladly to either one for a few mid level prospects. Manaea is in his contract year. He’d be easier to trade for. Get it done Jed
SportsFan0000
“Mid level prospects” won’t land either of those workhorse starting pitchers.
baseballpun
If the Cards aren’t in on these guys, they’re committing malpractice.
Mitchell Page
A’s get it done .
debubba
I would love for Cleveland to go out and trade in a few middle infield chips and trade for Ramon.
Samuel
Interesting…..
Myles Straw is the same age, has similar stats, and is under control for an additional year compared to Laureano. Plus Cleveland gave up 2 very good young players to the Astros to get him.
I believe Cleveland is looking for a good young Catcher. Not sure they’re sold on Naylor for the near future.
rememberthecoop
How about Murphy from the A’s then?
Samuel
@ rememberthecoop;
Great comment.
I’d guess Cleveland has been in touch.
With the shortage of quality Catchers in MLB, A’s would want a lot back. But with 4 years of control they may not be in a hurry to move him. They’re getting ML ready Pitchers in trade. They’d probably prefer an experienced young Catcher to grow with them.
jbigz12
@Samuel
They traded Phil Maton—a major league middle reliever. & a 35+ catching prospect for Straw.
Not exactly a haul. Straw played very well in CLE but will he be able to follow that up? I don’t know. He never really flashed that much gap power in the minors. He has a high floor bc he can D and run.
Samuel
1. Maton is a very good middle reliver that’s getting better.
2. I believe you have the wrong Catcher:
Try Yainer Diaz with a minor league line of .328 / .360 / .495 / .854.
julyn82001
A’s Manea and Montas shall bring an interesting haul back to Oakland and let’s remember Billy Beane won’t necessarily go easy here like when Donaldson was traded to the Jays. Josh was not happy when Céspedes got traded to the Red Sox – in the middle of a playoff hunt – so Donaldson was traded…
Cosmo2
I miss Dwayne Murphy. Those were the days.
soz2
R. Henderson in Leftfield, D. Murphy in Center, Tony Armas in Right…..Billy Ball, Those were the days
Rangers29
Manaea or Montas would look so nice in the Rangers’ rotation. Right now you’re looking at this…
Manaea
Gray
Dunning
Hearn
Perez
Then in a few months you’d have…
Manaea
Gray
Dunning
Winn
Hearn
That’s honestly a really solid 1-5, and then just re-sign or let go of Manaea next season in a very Giants fashion.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
That starting 5 is terrible, what do you mean by solid? Do you mean that they’re solidly a bottom 3 rotation in baseball? Jon Gray is your number 1 starter right now and on most teams hes a number 5. Rangers will be lucky to win 70 games with their rotation and bullpen, not to mention the holes they have in the outfield
Rangers29
When was I referring to our current rotation throughout any of that? The rotation I was referring to was a hypothetical rotation after a trade and the addition of a top pitching prospect.
And yes, the last rotation I posted is “solid”, not great, not terrific, “solid”. Manaea was really productive last year in his bounceback season, Gray has potential and since the Rangers handed him one of their coveted three year SP contracts they definitely see something in him, Dunning has 3-4 starter potential and focused last season on getting innings after recovering from his injury the previous season, Winn is a terrific pitching prospect who should be up mid-season sometime, and Hearn showed he could be productive in the last few months of last season as a starter.
It’s not an earth-shattering rotation, it is exactly what I called it… “solid”.
rememberthecoop
Who are you trading to get him tho?
rememberthecoop
Are they still STILL deciding or is that a duplicate typo?
phantomofdb
Twins desperately need pitching. Give up the prospects for the proven guys. You don’t want to waste that Correa contract, now is the time to go all in
Jacksson13
Twins should really be going after Montas due to the extra year of control and that his contract is about 50% of Maneaa. That said, What about taking on Maneaa, his 10 MM contract AND Piscotty with his 7 MM contract? That combination shouldn’t require much in return off of the 40 Man Roster. Worst they can say is “NO”.
30 Parks
Relocate the Athletics – the small market, Rudy-Ruettiger-approach is no longer endearing.
A'sfaninUK
The Bay Area is a massive, massive market that could easily house 5 MLB teams though. Stop lying about that.
30 Parks
A “massive, massive market” – then where are all the fans? What’s the issue? Further, holding an opposing point of view does not constitute lying. There’s a “massive” difference between the two.
Relocate the A’s.
A'sfaninUK
Let me guess: youre a Giants fan.
The A’s BELONG in Oakland, no matter what your dumb opinion thinks. You are wrong, and always will be, therefore thats a lie. You know why the A’s dont draw, but sure show me all the teams selling out freezing cold Tuesday night games vs the Rangers/Mariners/Angels/Astros and again, stop lying.
The A’s stay in Oakland. The Rays should move to San Jose. Three teams is perfect for the Bay.
30 Parks
All hail the mute button. Have a good day, man.
Steinbrenner2728
the White Sox are located in the 3rd largest market in the league. – then where are all the fans at their games lately? The Detroit Tigers are in the 8th largest market. – when you watch most of their games, same question: where are all the fans? Should we relocate them as well? Or is it not that the A’s owner is being cheap and that no matter whether they win or lose, he still wants to cry poor? Why can the Red Sox call Fenway Park a “dump” but not the A’s? And yes, you can mute me as well if you want.
flamingbagofpoop
They have a crappy stadium and bad broadcasting issues, the idea that it’s just their owner’s fault for being cheap is such a lazy take that’s all too common on here.
I don’t understand why people think that the owners spending money is going to magically fix every issue some teams have.
Samuel
“…..sure show me all the teams selling out freezing cold Tuesday night games vs the Rangers/Mariners/Angels/Astros and again, stop lying.”
–
Well, 28 teams in MLB had better attendance than the A’s last season.
Seems like they always finish 28th, 29th or 30th in attendance. Why is that?
How long are we going to play this game?
Your takes on the team are interesting at times. But once more and I follow the other guy with the mute button.
junkmale
White Sox average more fans per game last year than the Mets, Phillies, and fifteen other teams.
Steinbrenner2728
My mistake on the White Sox, sorry about that piece of misinformation. I just can’t get over that one game they had vs. the Rays where 974 fans showed up on April 8th, 2018. (granted it was after a winter storm, but lol)
Samuel
“I just can’t get over that one game they had vs. the Rays where 974 fans showed up on April 8th, 2018.”
@ Steinbrenner2728;
Trivia question……
Name them.
Not a clever name
The problem with the bay being a two market team is that unlike NY CHI or LA the bay doesn’t have a history of resentment towards other parts of the metropolitan area. So where a life long cubs fan would never buy white Sox tickets except maybe to see Ohtani come to town or something of that nature, a Giants fan with 6 kids (myself for example) has no issue with 2 dollar Bart Wednesday’s. Perhaps a better example is the software designer from San Jose or Menlo Park prefers to take his college buddy to China basin when he comes to town and have a nice meal see the city ect. No one is going to the razor wire encircled sewer to watch a game and show off Oakland to their buddies. Even people from Oakland would rather go see the ward and golden gate park before a game than the flee market at at the coliseum. Hell even too short couldn’t wait to move out of Oakland for Vacaville.hence the reason you can still afford to take 6 kids to a game there but only if you keep fluent on your martial arts skills.
SportsFan0000
The A’s should be in San Jose Santa Clara County
and would be “but for” the back stabbing Giants
and Commissioner’s office.
ARC 2
A’s did draw the largest attendance 30 years ago. Problem is once the A’s were sold to the cheapskate owner Fisher they lost the fans. Same owner that has not signed 1 long term player ever. Will not invest in a stadium unless he gets a whole big condo housing with it. Would you 30 parks support a cheap owner that will not resign players? What is that NO. Of course.
Samuel
@A’sfaninUK;
Again……
The A’s contended in 2021, and finished 29th in attendance. They also have a poor TV contract because people in the Bay Area watch the Giants, not the A’s.
Other than the championship years the A’s did not draw well in Oakland. Which is why Charlie Finley had to resort to gimmicks such as the mule (Charlie O), the milking contests, the band, and other promotions.
Steinbrenner2728
well, to team owners (unfortunately): TV Market size > Attendance. it begs the question to just ask yourself: “Why are the A’s still around?”
THE downvoter
The ball park and armpit area around it does not help. Trust me, i fully understand small market economics, but in the case of the As, its painful. Having been to all 30 ballparks, that stadium is no better than bottom 3. Think about the suburban parent, with kids, wanting to go to any game….As or the waterfront Giants? Think about tourists. Unless they are like me, they aint going to As. The problem with this ties more to tv ratings and not ticket sales. As are small market because of the tv ratings and tv contract. And also handcuffed, I am sure, by corrupt scum-bag politicians as well. Relocate? Hope not. Run a bulldozer through the neighborhood and burn down a few politicians houses….sure. Then you can get some results.
Samuel
@ THE downvoter;
OK, the stadium is in a bad area (I used to work in the office park down the street from it). But how exactly does that explain the poor TV ratings?
As for the stadium – I read for over a decade that all the Marlins needed was a new park to compete. They got it. Last year they finished LAST in home attendance.
What will happen will happen.
THE downvoter
Bad area, low attendence. Low attendance, lower fan base and people interested. Hence lower tv ratings.
HubertHumphrey
I drove around the stadium last year. What makes it a “bad neighborhood?” Seemed fine to me.
Last2Know
this might be the funniest comment I’ve read in a long time. I just hope you were going for the most sarcastic comment of the year
Jacksson13
Twinkies used the same argument. They got their stadium. Yea, open air games in Minnesota in April and October ??? That new stadium and the revenue it generated was supposed to result in more money being spent on players. It has not. And never will as long as the Pohlad (Mr Cheap Genes) family holds the purse strings.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Target Field is a beautiful ballpark in a perfectly safe area.
SportsFan0000
The A’s should be moved to Santa Clara County/San Jose/Silicon Valley…lots of corporate sponsorships, better weather,
fans would sell out the A’s games there.
The Giants were saved for the SF Bay Area by former A’s Ownership.
The Giants ownership has stabbed the A’s in the back, along with the MLB Commissioner’s office by blocking an A’s move to Santa Clara County/San Jose.
Free enterprise corrupted by monopolistic Oligarchs.
Angels/Dodgers, Cubs/White Sox, Yankees/Mets
share their territories.
A’s are being back stabbed by MLB Commish’s office and
present Giants Ownership.
Without former A’s Ownership, we would be talking about
the Tampa Bay Giants.
flamingbagofpoop
It’s a “massive market”, but not for the A’s.
SportsFan0000
See comments above.
SF Bay Area is a huge market.
It is being monopolized by the Giants at the expense of the A’s.
Commish’s office is complicit.
Move the A’s to Santa Clara County San Jose Area and
the A’s would sell out their games and have tons of corporate sponsors.
PiratesFan1981
Everyone talk about July trade deadline and how players will be dealt. This is far from the truth because trades now are not like they were 15 years ago. July came around, it was like a game of dodgeball with balls flying everywhere. Now you are lucky to get 6 decent trades out of 10 trades at most
Kemajic
Manaea to the NYYs for Miguel Andujar, the 2019 ROY runner-up to Ohtani. Plug him into the 1B vacancy left by Olson. Can rake with full playing time. Still cheap. Who says no?
A'sfaninUK
Probably the rebuilding team saying no to a 27 year old non-prospect when they could easily get a couple top 150 prospects for Manaea.
Ducky Buckin Fent
BBTV puts a trade value of $14.1 mil on Manaea.
Miguel Andujar is given a “value” of $0.1 mil.
Miggy won’t get it done. Not even close. The A’s respond with a resounding “no.” Unfortunately.
FSF
Fine give them the dime and nickel in cash and get it done.
FSF
While we’re at it, let’s see if we can trade Higgy and Torres for Ohtani. This is fun!
Ducky Buckin Fent
Hey, I get it.
Many times I have employed the Basic Homer Trade Template myself.
You know:
We trade: Crappy Player
We get: Good Player
It is endemic with all sports fans. Even using BBTV & “overpaying” I have managed to adhere to that formula often.
flamingbagofpoop
The fact that you at least go to BBTV to compensate for the bias you know you have says something though. That’s some extra effort to attempt a more objective idea, respectable.
MarlinsFanBase
@Ducky Buckin Fent
I’ll play too! Here’s mine.
Marlins trade Anthony Bass, Isan Diaz, Monte Harrison, and a couple of 29-year old RH middle relief pitching prospects in Single A for Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani.
I can’t see any reason why the Angels could pass this up.
Ducky Buckin Fent
We all do it though.
One fan base (say – for example – the NYY) doesn’t do it more or less than any other. & why not? We all want to see our teams get better. Heavily one-sided trade proposals is one way to dream about that.
MarlinsFanBase
True, but I’ve noticed that fans of the teams in big media markets tend to get more ridiculous at it because most of the garbage they want to get rid of for a stud, is usually overrated garbage.
I normally try to be objective in my few trade suggestions. And with a stud, I know that a prime piece needs to be given. For example, many posters keep mentioning Max Meyer to acquire some of the pieces the Marlins have looked into. When it comes to CFs, I’d be hesitant to trade him for Laureano or Reynolds. However, for Mullins, I’d do it knowing that will cost a few good pieces along with Meyer.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Yeah. I know.
Tiger fans have proposed Al Avila for a bucket of Dooley’s.
Not surprisingly……
No takers.
vtadave
Can’t tell if this was serious. Sure hope not.
Rsox
A’s would probably take Joaquin Andujar over Miguel
Bjoe
The A’s would laugh and hang up
MarlinsFanBase
@Kemajic
Interesting trade. It makes me wonder what you think about the Marlins offering Anthony Bass for Manaea instead.
SportsFan0000
Typical Yankee fan one sided trade. Here is our garbage that we do not want and may DFA (and we will throw in multiple low level prospects destined to “wash out” to fill out your roster).
Give us one or more of your star players in return.
Billy B’s response?! CLICK (hang up)
He has 12 other teams waiting on hold with “real offers”…..
stymeedone
Oakland wants players with 6 yrs of control.
Captain Judge99
@stymeedone -,it’s a good thing the rules changed, those 6 yrs. of control would of turned in to 8 yrs. of control.
slslinde
Twins for Montas
sportznut1000
I just saw a jeff passan post that the A’s have spent zero dollars on free agency this off season. That is unreal. The season starts in a couple weeks. Everything was minor league deals. The rangers for comparison spent 580 million this offseason.
The Guardians did not do much better at just 900k
THE downvoter
…and who feeds Jeff Passon his insider tips? And what is their motive, facts or not?
flamingbagofpoop
And how many games ahead of the A’s do you think the Rangers will finish?
User 3663041837
The Rangers also spent 580 million to win 75 games.
MarlinsFanBase
I hope the Marlins figure this out with the A’s for both Laureano and Trivino. Afterward, they can move Cooper in a deal; move Soler to DH; and keep Sanchez and Garcia at the corners.
In the pen, Trivinio is our Closer, with Bender setting up, and Floro handling the 7th instead of trying to close.
junkmale
I don’t get why Trivino is considered a more viable option to close than Floro or Bender. Prior to last year, he had no real closing experience. He was just slotted in and did well enough to be a holdover this year (happens all the time, especially in Oakland). Watch him implode in April. I’d still rather have Bender than Trivino. And I’d be bummed if Miami traded away something higher than a mid-range prospect for him.
MarlinsFanBase
For me, the better prospect is for Laureano in the trade. Trivino is an add-on. Maybe he is no better than Bender, but he had a better Closer performance than Floro. Also, it doesn’t hurt to have an extra option with a guy that did the job. It’s an improvement just with the additional option.
if we’re going to trade a good prospect for any Closer type, to me it should be for Kimbrel.
junkmale
Get Kimbrel back in the NL East. He’s a mere mortal in the AL Central.
Josip Tomic
Hi Steve,
You’ve put ‘still’ twice, can you fix the error of the sentence? Please & thank you.
“Rosenthal suggests the A’s are ‘still still’ “deciding how to proceed” with Montas.”
17dizzy
It’s sickening— yet Reality that the Cardinals are on the list of teams interested in starting pitching. Especially since both Flaherty and Reyes continue to trend down hill. At a rapid rate!!!!!
Last2Know
A lot of people on here talking about how the Bay area is a great market so why do the A’s consistently have the lowest or closest to the lowest attendance year after year. Born and raised 15 minutes from the A’s stadium, I can tell you that we do know they’re playing in a football stadium because of the changes the Raiders made to it when they came back from LA. we do know that the A’s are low budget but then again the Rays still draw more than them. We can look at all the obvious factors, and talk about the GM magic to keep them a competitive team but as a 43-year-old I haven’t seen anybody hit this point yet… The point that the A’s don’t have any players play a majority of their careers in their uniform. Families that spend money consistently on a sports team and consistently watch the games do so because there are at least some consistent players they either hate or love on every night. The most common thing that all of the lowest attended and watched teams have is inconsistency with their players. I’m not saying that you have to keep every player that you’ve drafted, but the A’s won’t let any of their fans build a long-term love (or hate) with any players and this is the norm now. Even when Billy beane was still doing his thing in the ’90s, they weren’t able to afford or lock up most of their players but they made commitments to a few of them. they would lose Tejada, but signed Chavez.. lose Giambi, but resigned Hudson. The Giants, probably the other end of the spectrum hold on to their fan favorites a little too long, but are consistently one of the top watched and attended teams. I know you can say that their stadium is a draw but don’t look now and that stadium is almost 20 years old. you have to have some of your team stay longer than 3 or 4 years, especially the homegrown guys. The twins kept Mauer, the Giants have Posey, the Rangers with Michael Young, Royals with Gordon, on and on. Even with the new teams with new stars like the Padres are locking up at least one or two for 13 years. Ramon Laraeno is a fan favorite that they could lock up for 4 -5 years. Mariners haven’t made the playoffs for decades or ever won a cham6 but they have a loyal fan base because their organization shows loyalty to some of its players. There’s a fine line with this, but as a Father and Husband, I can prove that this opinion shows some merit.
MarlinsFanBase
I think they’ll probably get the chance to move if they don’t have a stadium in place by the next CBA and potential expansion discussion. It would allow them into a better market, and it would make the potential realignment easier by only having four teams in California. I think at that moment, the A’s may be Vegas or Portland bound, unless they insist to be in another city.
Samuel
@adamckern@gmail.com 2;
You make a great point, one I thought of when free agency came about as I was being raised in a small market.
Your logic holds as the Giants have held onto the core of their championship team, which built fan loyalty.
However, what has been happening more each year for decades in all pro sports is that players often want to go to where the most money is as well as where they think the team will be a contender. Michael Jordan was a Chicago Bull all his career. How many teams has Lebron James been with? People in Boston loved Mookie Betts. The large market Red Sox offered him a fortune. He said he wanted to “test” free agency. Freddie Freeman wanted a salary the Braves could not pay for 6 years unless they were willing to let other stars go, because they knew they wouldn’t take in enough money to pay them all. The large market Yankees paid out long-term large salaries to name players to keep them there. They’ve had a top 3 payroll for 12 years and haven’t been in a World Series.
This website – the best in America for following player movement in MLB – exists because there are MLB player transactions literally every day of the year. I’ve suggested it to many friends and people I know that follow MLB.
The movement will continue. The new Baseball Ops head and his staff with the Giants have had success fixing players for a few years, and when those players demand excessive salaries he lets them go in FA and brings in other veterans his organization can fix that will produce as well far less money. Teams generally can only hold onto one or two highly paid players at most on long-term contracts, as there is such a high risk that for whatever reason the players production will go down, yet they’ll be eating up too much of a percentage of the payroll to allow the team to bring reinforcements.
Oakland is not really experiencing anything other markets aren’t….and the turnover will continue.
Sky14
I’d be for the Twins getting either Monats or Manaea depending on the price. Both are intriguing but don’t have extensive track records either. Manaea only has 1 year left and is more a mid-rotation arm than Montas.
I’d be more for a challenge trade like Lewis for Meyer.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sad time to be a true Tiger fan.
MikeBSoxFan
The WhiteSox should be smart and offer up a Sheets/Burger/Collins combination for Manae or Montas.
SportsFan0000
White Sox farm system has been strip mined.
Their best players are either all in the majors or traded already.
Unless they want to give away guys on the team, then they are not a match for the A’s.
SalaryCapMyth
Man what a roller coaster ride this season has been for this Braves fan. The Braves paid pretty big to Olson but you shouldn’t expect anything different to acquire the star first bagger.
I’ll be keeping my eye on how Langeliers and Pache develope. I have less confidence in Pache, seeing his cieling as Kirmaier-ish though that isn’t to say Kirmaier isn’t a valuable asset. Langeliers is the one that makes me really nervous, though.
jessaumodesto
A few years ago it was pretty unlikely the A’s would even give Olson a chance. They were not high on him. Just FYI. They looked at him as a fringe prospect at best
Dodgers2021 2
The Oakland A’s are dumb!!
Rsox
The A’s would get a better package for Montas now with two full seasons of control than waiting. Conversely they would probably get a better package for Manaea from a pitcher needy team at the deadline then trading him right now
Deleted Userr
Better package when he’s lost 2/3 of his remaining club control and also the right to be extended a qualifying offer?
formerlyz
Marlins are in a lot of Marlins-like rumors where they give up way too much for things they either previously had and gave away for nothing, or could have easily had at much lower costs…sure…let’s go ahead and trade prospects for another reliever with command issues, and grab a guy in the OF you hope is healthy, or can find his consistency, assuming he is back from suspension
Marlins need bullpen arms, but honestly, if I’m any team in baseball, I’m always trying to trade with them b/c I know for sure I’ll get good value/a lot more value than I’m giving up
jessaumodesto
It would be fitting for the A’s to keep Manea all year finish in last and lost him to free agency for simply draft comp
Deleted Userr
Definitely have to move Manaea before opening day or offers will drop to reflect the loss of draft pick compensation. But I honestly don’t see the point in keeping either on a rebuilding team.
GarryHarris
You have to wonder if the Sean Maneas – Scott Boros connection is hindering the trade.
Deleted Userr
Why would it be?
tigerdoc616
There is always risk but the A’s might find better return by holding either or both starters and seeing what develops at the trade deadline. SP usually nets some of the best return then. Bound to be some contender with a hole in their rotation due to injury.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Sad to say. Mr. Musk.
Please buy the As’nd move them to Detroit.
There seems to be a lack of competitiveness in the city……
teddyk
I wouldn’t bet against the twins getting involved here. They still have the minor league pieces that could get a deal done and are in need of a SP. Manaea has his faults but would be a great addition and put them in a great position to snag a playoff spot. No not enough to take the division from the white Sox, but it would clearly make them a competitor for a wild card. Adding him as a number two behind Sonny Gray and fitting into the rotation with Joe Ryan, Bailey Ober, and Dylan Bundy give them a solid (not spectacular) starting 5. Not to mention it gives them a Lefty that the rotation sorely lacks.