The Orioles haven’t engaged either first baseman/designated hitter Trey Mancini or lefty John Means about a contract extension, reports Dan Connolly of The Athletic. Mancini is set to become a free agent at season’s end. Means is controlled through 2024.
It’s wholly unsurprising, as the Orioles haven’t had an appetite for any long-term investments during their ongoing rebuild. Even the one-year, $7MM deal they agreed to with right-hander Jordan Lyles prior to the lockout was seen as a surprise, as the O’s hadn’t previously given out more than a $3MM guarantee to any free agent since hiring general manager Mike Elias more than three years ago.
Still, as Connolly explores, the lack of an extension and the seemingly inevitable trade of Mancini — be it in the next couple weeks or this summer — will be a wildly unpopular move both among fans and in the clubhouse. Mancini, the 2021 Comeback Player of the Year, was already a fan favorite in Baltimore before overcoming stage-3 colon cancer and returning to the field with a generally productive 2021 season. He’s also entrenched as a clubhouse leader in Baltimore. The O’s will start spending money at some point once they’re ready to emerge from what’s now a four-year tanking effort, but at the moment they project to just a $64.5MM payroll — $23MM of which is dead money still owed to Chris Davis.
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- Red Sox slugger J.D. Martinez will likely see increased time in the outfield this season, writes Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com. While Martinez will continue to operate as Boston’s primary designated hitter, manager Alex Cora also said this week that Martinez will likely start in right field against left-handed pitchers — effectively pushing Jackie Bradley Jr. (who’ll start in right field against right-handed pitchers) into a platoon role. There won’t be a set DH on days against left-handed opponents, as Cora said he’ll use those opportunities to keep others in the lineup fresh. Martinez has played primarily left field when he’s been on the outfield grass in recent years, but Cotillo notes that Cora’s preference is to keep Alex Verdugo in left, Enrique Hernandez in center, and not move the outfielders around so frequently.
- Veteran utilityman Marwin Gonzalez is in camp with the Yankees on a minor league deal, and manager Aaron Boone tells Dan Martin of the New York Post he hopes the switch-hitting Gonzalez will play his way into a roster spot, citing a desire for more versatility off his bench. “That’s something I think Tampa [Bay] has done a really good job of,” said Boone. “Their roster complements one another really well. I hope that’s the case with us.” Meanwhile, Newsday’s Erik Boland tweets that Gonzalez is “all but a lock” to make the Yankees’ roster despite having inked a minor league contract. The recent agreement to expand rosters to 28 players for the early portion of the season certainly can’t hurt Gonzalez’s chances. He’d earn a $1.15MM salary if he’s added to the big league roster.
healthy, Means has all the makings of an ACE… he is really good… I wouldn’t hesitate to give a package of say Martinez, Jiminez, Pearson and/or maybe some combo to start a conversation… …No Gurriel or Manoah …defeating the purpose… wouldn’t mind plucking Mullins either from those birds….
Absolutely. I suggested a Mullins and Means deal a couple of months ago for JD, Downs, Wong and Verdugo. They get an outfielder and two young studs from LAD’s farm program and the best DH in baseball. We get an outstanding SP under team control and a fantastic outfielder who is much better than Verdugo.
I like your thinking!!
We’ve got a team full of DH’s already. We don’t need another one.
It’s a silly take by Connolly. With 3 more seasons of control for Means, why take the risk of a contract extension now?
Even with Mancini, see what happens in the first half and if it’s all good then sign him to an extension during the All-Star break or immediately after the season.
Haven’t we learned yet from past mistakes such as the Sale extension?
You’re kidding right KD17? That trade would be terrible for Orioles. — 2 young studs under team control for 3 and 4 years. For what? a one year DH, 2 fading prospects and Verdugo. Whats your next suggestion Ohtani for JBJ straight up?
Lighten up, I’m pretty sure he was just kidding. Everybody knows a last place team ain’t gonna take on a $20M DH on the last year of his contract. That’s something only a contender might do.
Where’s the joke, where’s the chuckle? Sounds like a very poorly drawn up trade, with bias added in. You don’t have to defend him on every article.
Show me where I’ve defended him before on trade proposals or predictions. In fact I’ve probably disagreed with him more often than I’ve agreed.
FWIW – When a person uses one or two exclamation marks, it’s often a sign of humor.
EasyPeasy – For a 1-yr all-star DH who will grow in value by the deadline, true fading prospects as I reported at the time of the Mookie deal and a slightly above league average outfielder named Verdugo.
I guess you didn’t really get the point of my comment. I basically suggested that Means and Mullins for JD and Mookie for a year. Everyone knows what a great deal Bloom made and how much better off Boston was because of it so when you swap the three guys he got for Mookie the deal sure sounds a heck of a lot better because the first deal was crap.
Now do you get my point? Big time shot at Bloom for the Mookie deal.
You don’t think I know how little the guys I suggested are from a value perspective? I’ve been complaining for over 2 years!!!
I guess next time I’ll write (SARCASM) real big so there is no confusion!!
I do think you undersold JD value. By the trade deadline when teams see his success and the opportunity to rent him to try and win, his value will go up a lot just like Mookie’s would have in 2020.
FPG – Way to school the rookies!! Wow. By now, I would have thought everyone on this site knew how much I hate the guys in the Mookie deal!! Including the GMs!!
Getting anything from Baltimore is not likely Did you see how DD just loaded up with the two outfielders many suggested for the Red Sox? Castellanos should do well there. Schwarber batting lead-off in that park could do very well too but it’s a full season so it won’t be one long continuous hot streak like he’s done in Washington and Boston, they’ll need to live through his slumps too and those are ugly.
I just got done with my first two fantasy drafts and I laughed because Bogaerts went before Devers in both of them!! And the league doesn’t count defense so many outside Boston still consider Bogey the better player! Maybe the every other year thing is a worry for fans other than me!!
Who would you pick first in a brand new league that is a dynasty league? I’ve got one of those in a week.
8 people upvoted me, so yes writing sarcasm or something would help. Kinda stupid to write something most people reading don’t get and think youre being witty. Even your lackey FPG didn’t understand what you were getting at, he only guessed you were kidding.
Must be tough when your brain works soooo much better than everyone else’s. Thats how to write sarcasm, see the “soooo”?
Sarcasm only works when you’re actually good at it. I should know because I am the absolute master of it. You also actually have to know what the word means. At best he was actually being facetious, but I don’t think he is intelligent enough to understand that.
He suggested something stupid, got called out for it, and is now pretending to be too smart for the room, Then his alt account comes in so that he can try to defend himself again.
The league is moving away from the strict DH, guys that offer no, or negative value on defense, and only offer something with the bat, especially when they get older and the skills start to decline. JD faced a tough market in free agency. Since his big season in 2018 and he’s approaching his mid 30’s, his numbers have dropped off, not even counting the shortened season. To think his value would increase for a 1 year rental on a playoff push team is silly. You’ll get a cast off project or two at best. You’re not getting anyone’s top 10 prospect in return.
Oh, wait, I guess he was just being “sarcastic” again….
Well said Ed.
Also, KD17: So the trade you were alluding to is 1 Year of Mookie and 1 Year of JDM for 2 young studs with long-term team control. And you think Baltimore would jump on that. Not likely.
Fever Pitch Guy1 day ago
Lighten up, I’m pretty sure he was just kidding.
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KD says stupid schitt ever day. Everyone knows it. And he makes absurd trade suggestions. He’ll target a guy that we could use, but has no idea what the acquisition cost will be.
Just out of curiosity, was KD just kidding when he said:
“Dalbec is SO much better than Olsen it’s ridiculous.
Casas will be SO much better than Olsen in 2 years.”
Means or FA
Grayson Rodriguez
DL Hall
Bradish or FA
Baumann..Kremer..also shot for closer Wells as SP
They signed Jordan Lyles for the rotation.
Hmmm a cheating Astro joins Yankees where have I heard that before?
Let the record show I specifically mentioned Marwin months ago when discussing possible shortstop signings for the Yanks. I personally love the deal.
Well a cheating Yankees player joined the Astros and taught them the scheme.
I heard a rumor that the cheating Yankee actually consulted with Cora because he heard Cora’s scheme was better than Beltran’s!!
Aaron Boone has no grasp whatsoever of how the Rays use their roster. He gets so outmanaged constantly by Kevin Cash that I had to stop watching Yankees-Rays games because it was piling on.
Like to argue with that. But I can’t.
Girardi was a good manager played well against the rays when he was managing but he’s not a yes man or a puppet like Boone so management didn’t want him
It was also the money. Just like when Torre was replaced. While the team could afford it, it would have meant a three year commitment at much more dollars per and they didn’t want to pay it to Girardi.
Nah, both managers were replaced because of perceived postseason managerial blunders.
Torre made several bad moves in the 2007 ALDS against the Tribe, which was their 3rd consecutive ALDS defeat.
And Girardi coughed up a 3-2 ALCS lead in 2017 which was the 8th consecutive year without a World Series appearance.
Dewey – How’s that worked out for them!!! Hiring an inexperienced manager to replace a guy who brought success to your organization for years? Sounds familar. I guess Girardi and DD have something in common other than landing in Philly at the same time.
I’m always amazed when owners pick specific things to go cheap on and then waste enormous money elsewhere. The Bears in the 80s did it, the Bulls in the 90s did it, Red Sox in 2019/2020 did it. All ended in disasters that took years to recover from. Poor owners, they just kept making big bucks and only the fans paid the price of their frugal choices.
How could the O’s give 5.21 ERA Lyles $7 million?? Crazy
He eats innings. Problem is, he craps them out explosive diarrhea style.
He’s pitched more than 150 innings for the first time in 11 total seasons last year and just the second time he’s reached 100+ innings since 2015. I don’t see how you can call him an innings eater after 1 year with a good innings total.
Because that’s what it costs to hire a mediocre pitcher in Baltimore when you stink and have proven you’re not going to put a competitive team on the field.
Because, except for Means, 5.21 would make him the Orioles ace?
Bloom always intended JBJ to platoon.
Martinez in RF at Fenway? That’s going to be ugly to watch him in the most expansive RF outside of Coors.
Twenty years ago the Red Sox wouldn’t have done it either but with notably less balls put into play I guess they would rather have Martinez’s bat vs Bradley’s defense in the lineup instead.
If it gets bad they will have to put Verdugo in right and JD in left. If the Sox have a lead JBJ comes in for “D”.
You guys are forgetting Jarren Duran, who’s having a good start in ST. Hopefully, JDM playing RF is just a place warmer until Duran is ready.
Lefty Duran doesn’t really help the platoon problem against lefty starters though
Thon – I had the same reaction when I heard the news about JD. It’s insane, JD doesn’t have the glove or the arm for RF in Fenway.
And I wouldn’t rely too much on strikeouts when guys like Hill and Wacha are pitching, both averaged around 8.6 K/9 last season.
FPG – Since Devers showed up I have long argued that the team defense is better off with JD in the outfield and Devers at DH but the ONE legitimate response during those discussions was the fact that you are exposing JD to injury and his bat is critical to the offense. I think being older now, that argument becomes even stronger which is why trading him for an OF or 3B or SP makes the most sense. OR, if you don’t want to haggle with a one-dimensional player who refuses to move to DH, then trade him and the haul will be much greater and instantly the defense jumps 10 spots in the rankings.
JD in right is not the answer. They need to find another Renfroe immediately!!!
Bryan Hoch, MLB’s Yankees beat writer, projects Miguel Andujar and Tim Locastro as the Yankees’ utility/bench players. If there are only two spots, I think he’s wrong. I think Marwin makes it instead of Andujar if it’s a contest between the two. Marwin is a plus infield defender and we all know Miggy’s rep. And we also know how Cashman seems to think aging veterans are a safer bet. (Sorry, Estevan.)
Locastro isn’t a great outfielder, but he’s good enough; and particularly in center field, which, combined with his speed might win him a spot. But, again, Cash loves the older vets, and Ender Inciarte used to be an elite center fielder — four years ago. And Brett is still lurking out there.
All I’m prepared to guess now is that Marwin probably makes the team as the utility infielder. And if they assign three roster spots to the bench, he’s a lock.
I agree @Fink. Marwin ends up as the 4th/5th outfielder and the all round infield utility player. I don’t expect the Yankees to solve their 4th outfielder need until the season begins if then. I can live with that if they at least get a catcher.
This is all just so underwhelming, man.
Marwin Gonzalez. Yuck.
Truly shocking that the Yankees mention, yet again, just how much they desire to be like the Rays. How blatantly stupid for so many reasons, not including the fact that the personnel with whom they doing it aren’t the same; coaches aren’t the same; administrators aren’t the same; budget isn’t the same; draft positions & picks aren’t the same; scouting isn’t the same. So, they are, in effect, trying to copy the methods of the Rays but with Yankees people & 30+-year-old players. Great job, Yankees. I wonder why you keep finishing after the guys you try to copy….
Locastro will stick around as insurance for Hicks. Judge or Gallo playing CF daily is not a great idea. Marwin being able to play almost anywhere and be decent defensively has to give him a leg up on Andujar’s inability to play anywhere
Yankees are a mess. What 250 million can not get you by Brian Cashman. What a flipping embarrassment.
“…but at the moment they project to just a $64.5MM payroll — $23MM of which is dead money still owed to Chris Davis.”
Let that sink in for a moment. Just about 1/3 of the team’s payroll is going to a player that is no longer even playing baseball anymore. That was Peter Angelos’ last contract negotiation and meddling act. For those that don’t remember, the O’s traded for Chris Davis. When he was due to become a free agent after his PED enhanced massive season, the Orioles offered him the biggest contract in Orioles history. Boras, his agent, turned his nose up at it. He languished on the FA market because everyone else knew what a horrible idea it would be to give him a huge contract. Supposedly Detroit’s owner wanted him and was willing to pay a huge price to get him, but their GM actually talked some sense into their owner and got him to nix that idea. Free agency is almost over. Nobody kicks the tires on Davis. Davis comes back to the Orioles GM at the time, Duquette. He says,” Yeah, I’ll take that deal now.” Duquette says, “What deal? The one we offered you before expired and that’s no longer the offer. Your market isn’t that strong. Here’s our new offer.”
Boras….goes over Duqutte’s head and directly to Peter Angelos who hammers out a new deal, with HUGE deferred payments (note them paying him so much now to not play) worth MORE than the original offer that was made. Why? Because Angelos is an idiot and there was precedent for this. Angelos has always meddled with his front office and vetoed moves or made moves whenever he felt like it.
Angelos is apparently very ill. When he passes, the team will likely be passed onto his sons, who probably will not want to deal with the inheritance taxes and will be looking to sell the team. Until that situation gets resolved, the Orioles aren’t spending any money on this team.
Dumping Mancini will of course not be popular in Baltimore, but it is what the fan base comes to expect. We all see the writing on the wall. We can’t have nice things.
I look forward to the Orioles being competitive.. to have a 5 team race in our division would be awesome
Ed – Great comment!! Only one small correction. It wasn’t PEDs that created a monster season for Chris Davis it was the juice in the baseball. Davis had a freak surge in his stats, then couldn’t repeat them (thanks to the ball) and chose to take steroids to get it back and got caught. The ball got heavily juiced in 2015 which help him rebound toward his peak in 2013 but by that time his average was too close to the mendoza line to play him regularly..
Davis started in the bigs in 2008 which was the worst timing of joining the MLB from a juiced ball perspective since the early 1990s. The juice factor in 2008 was 1.00 the lowest since 1993. Until 2015 the ball hovered around 1.00 and Davis never played over 100 games other than 2012 and that year he played 113 and hit 21 HRs. THEN, in 2013 he had a huge anomaly year.and he jumped from 33 HRs in 2012 to 53 HRs in 2013 while making $3.3MM as an arbitration guy. In 2014, arbitration raised his pay to $10.35MM thanks to the monster 2013. Problem was he couldn’t repeat the oddity from the year before in 2014 and he ended up hitting just 26 HRs while batting .196. That’s when he did the PEDs. and got caught. Here’s the irony. The PEDS didn’t do it for him in 2013, it was a freak year. Everything went right and the next year everything went wrong so he tried to cheat not realizing the baseball had dropped in juice by 14% causing his number to fall dramatically. Obviously, in 2015 the following year he was tested far more often and closely scrutinized about steroids so he couldn’t use them. What happened to cause his rebound in 2015 was, the league changed up the baseball and the juice jumped from 0.86 to 1.01 roughly where it was at when he had his monster season. 2015 saw Davis’ numbers jump back up to 47 HRs but even more surprising was the fact that his batting average which fell to .220 jumped up to .262. suggesting 2014 was the anomaly not 2013 his big year. As a result, January 2016 Davis signs a 7 year deal for $161MM and proceeds to hit .221 with 38 HRs.
Unfortunately, that was his last year he played a full season. Despite the ball juice level rising after the 2016 season to a peak in 2019 Davis didn’t get to enjoy it since his average dropped below .200 and his games played dropped to 105 in 2019 and 16 in 2020. Checking with Spotrac Baltimore roughly pays $9MM a year to him through 2037!!!
Again, great comment Ed!!
I appreciate that reply and the praise for my post, but you are incorrect about the PEDs. In order to get suspended like he did, you have to fail two tests. The first one he failed was during his big season in 2013. His second one was in 2014. He, “for some reason” decided not to get a medical clearance for his “social anxiety medication,” even though he had clearances for it every season prior. Then all of a sudden after they take him off of his “social anxiety medicine” he looks like a completely different player and plays like a completely different one.
It wasn’t steroids he got popped for, it was amphetamines, though I suspect he was using other things as well which account for his rather noticeable body change during his slumping years.
it was adderall wich if abused can give a big boost, they changed him to vyvance wich isnt such a energy boost and harder to abuse.
The Angelo’s sons hired GM Elias. They are all in on the REBUILD.
Baltimore will have a very hard time finding players willing to play for them at least initially!
You really think so, do you….have you been paying attention to this team lately?
Every time the Orioles do manage to hit on a player they drafted, by the time that player plays out their original contract and are ready to hit the big pay day, the Orioles trade them because “it isn’t our time to compete yet, we’re still rebuilding.”
When they get a decent nucleus of players together, they support them with over priced sub tier talent. They make a “name” signing. Maybe you don’t remember when the O’s turned the baseball world on its head when they signed Miguel Tejada?
Everyone thought, “Wow, the Orioles are serious,” except for Tejada. A month or two after the signing, the Orioles added Javy Lopez on the downside of his career and Miguel said, “Yeah, that’s great, but WHO is going to pitch for us?” He was absolutely right. The Orioles never signed anyone of any talent at all.
Then they draft guys like Mountcastle who is a DH. They drafted a SS who can’t play any position on the field because they think that he can hit so well it won’t matter. Sorry. That’s not the case. His high averages in the minors have relied on an insanely high BABIP which isn’t sustainable, especially at the major league level and he does not walk. So yay, another .250-.260 all or nothing free swinger that might top out at 30HR and is otherwise useless when they aren’t hitting homers because they don’t run the bases well, they don’t field, and they don’t get on base.
Lol Orioles fans thought they was going to resign them LOL.
They think the orioles is anything more then a cash grab for the Angelos family.
LOL!!
The Kids get free tickets and candy, and grandpa gets a discounted beer.
Mullins, Means, Rutschman(Weiters 2.0), Rodriguez they are gone when it’s there time.
Y’all tanked for ~15 years. Tank Job 2.0 It’s only starting now
I frankly, and sadly, agree with this. The Orioles in the current situation have absolutely no reason to spend money on this team. First of all, they don’t want to. They stripped down their last contending team and the last remnant of that team is Chris Davis who is still on the books. Until that albatross contract clears, they aren’t spending money.
They have currently no proven commodity to build around. Means came out of nowhere and looked promising, but he just broke down and wasn’t looking too great when he came back…so jury is out if he can stay healthy again and rebound. Who else ya got? Nobody. Just a bunch of rookies/young arms that you HOPE will pan out.
Mancini is as good as gone. They aren’t going to keep him. I don’t trust Mountcastle’s bat and so far he isn’t the dead lock to be an amazing hitter like the organization said he’d be. He’s also a defensive liability. Mullins is a nice story, but he was never projected to be this type of player and had a break out season. He’s also older than you think. Who knows if he can keep that pace up. Austin Hayes was a promising speedster in the minors who all of a sudden decided to “add muscle” and got himself jacked up, and now he’s an injury prone player. Hmmm….
The player getting the most hype hasn’t even played major league baseball yet in Adley Rustchman. He is supposed to be the next what Wieters was supposed to be. I still think Matt Wieters was a pretty darn good player, but there is no way he could live up to the hype.
Then you have Peter Angelos who is sadly near death. That detail alone has massive repercussions for this team. His passing will change this team’s future a lot. I honestly doubt his sons will keep the team, meaning they sell it out. And who is to say the person who buys it keeps it in Baltimore? Baltimore isn’t exactly a super lucrative market. Would they move to Las Vegas? That seems to be the hot new location for sports right now.
I thought Mr. Perfect Attendance/ Human Participation Trophy was suppose to have more say in the orioles these days.
If you are referring to Cal Ripken Jr., he was never seriously considered for a front office job. It was a feel good story, but Angelos and Ripken never saw eye to eye. Why? Because Cal wouldn’t stand for somebody butting in on his job like Angelos did to others. Ripken also didn’t want to take some secondary apprenticeship role to learn the ropes. He wanted to be the man. That scenario would have been a recipe for disaster.
And if you think Cal only just “showed up” and wasn’t a great player, you are kidding yourself. He set the major league record for highest FPCT and fewest errors made by a SS in a full season. He was beaten out by fellow Oriole, Mike Bordick but Bordick did it in nearly 300 less chances.
Despite setting that record at the time, he didn’t win a gold glove. That instead went to Ozzie Guillen who was absolutely atrocious that season. How he won the award over Cal, I will never know.
He also won MVP awards and was one of the first players to ever win an MVP award for a horrible team. He was just that good that season. Cal was an offensive machine as well.
Love those who believe that the Orioles are in an actual process of “rebuilding.” Because rebuilds FINISH. If a house is destroyed in a tornado, it isn’t just constantly worked on with the owners living in a hotel for 10 years, they eventually move back in when the rebuild is OVER!
The Orioles strategy is a perpetual rebuild, timing things out so they can remain cheap on an ongoing basis. Right now, they say yes we have Mancini, Mountcastle, Mullins, and Means, Hays. But nothing else, so the spin is prospects are in the minors. But by the time they come up? Oh wait, we’re missing some things, so why are we going to extend those names above “because we’re in a rebuild”. Why would we pay them? Traded for prospects. And the cycle begins anew.
Those who think Means is an ace I really appreciate the laugh. Means is a #3 starter on an above average rotation. Their team ERA was over 1 run per game worse than the 2nd worst team in the league last year, and Jordan Lyles is penciled in as the #2 starter. Akin and Kremer had ERAs even worse than the team average, so they’re “blossoming” the way Orioles prospects tend to until traded away.
The only way that anything you wrote means anything, is you think Baltimore is genetically different that Detroit, or KC, or the WS, or Seattle, or anyone else that has undergone a rebuild.
Baltimore averaged 89 wins a year for 5 years, fairly recently. DD left them in horrible shape, but imho, they are starting to come along. Maybe 2-3 years behind was the Tigers are doing.
Angelos left them in horrible shape. He’s the one that did the Chris Davis deal, not Duquette.
89 wins! OMG, 8 games over 500! Amazing! And prior to that it was about 20 years of sub .500 baseball. They’re going that way again. They aren’t spending any money because of Peter Angelos’ health and a pending team sale after he passes away, and they aren’t serious about a rebuild. They will hope their young talent develops and when it comes time for them to get paid, they’ll trade them.
Joe Brady – So the period of 1998-2011 – 14 years of around 70 win season averages and ZERO winning seasons – can be forgotten? How about the way they built the 2012-16 “juggernaut” which was NOT a rebuild? They traded for the vast majority of their key players, and built a patchwork team that was just good enough based on a decent offense, an outstanding bullpen, and Buck Showalter. Even PECOTA couldn’t buy that as a winning team, year after year. You need to look at the wider perspective that in THE PAST TWENTY-FIVE seasons the Orioles played .500 ball or better 5 times and had 3 playoff appearances and 1 division title, but not a single win in the ALCS or further. That’s horrid in a 5 team division.
Kansas City – Same # of winning seasons in that span as Baltimore, but made 2 World Series and won one of them, Have a better record than Baltimore has the past 5 seasons despite also rebuilding
Detroit – 9 winning seasons to Baltimore’s 5 in the same span, 5 playoff appearances and 2 World Series appearances since 2006.
Seattle – 10 winning seasons in that span, 2 ALCS appearances. At least teased a playoff run a few times while the Orioles finished 61 games out of first and were eliminated by Memorial Day
Your comparison is not valid. There is a difference between rebuilding, finishing a rebuild, and having some success as a result and what the Orioles are doing, which is operating a AAA-level club extremely cheaply and profitably under the guise of a “rebuild”.
Thornton Mellon10 hours ago
Joe Brady – So the period of 1998-2011 – 14 years of around 70 win season averages and ZERO winning seasons – can be forgotten?
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They’re not my team, so you can dwell on anything you want to. But that’s not really my style.