The Yankees were known to have interest in former NL MVP Freddie Freeman prior to the lockout, and it appears as though that interest is more than just simple due diligence. According to MLB Network’s Jon Heyman (Twitter link), the Yankees “love” Freeman and “are expected to take a run at” landing the free agent once the transactions freeze is lifted.
Since it still seems unclear whether Freeman will eventually re-sign with the Braves or perhaps look to join another team, it stands to reason that the Yankees can’t be truly ruled out of a Freeman pursuit until he actually signs a contract elsewhere. Or, conversely, unless the Yankees were to make another big first base acquisition like trading for Matt Olson, or perhaps re-signing Anthony Rizzo.
What would make a Freeman pursuit so intriguing for New York, however, is how it would run counter to how the Yankees have pursued their business this offseason. Prior to the lockout, the Yankees didn’t really do much of anything, with the common thinking being that the Bronx Bombers were perhaps waiting to see the terms of the new Collective Bargaining Agreement before making any major financial commitments. Under how the luxury tax is currently calculated, for example, the Yankees already have more than a $226MM number projected for 2022. Barring a major bump in the luxury tax threshold, the Yankees would certainly surpass the tax line by adding Freeman to their payroll.
The salary forecast notwithstanding, the Yankees were at least linked to such big names as Freeman and some of the top free agent shortstops. However, the team was reportedly planning to wait out the shortstop market until after the lockout, just in case any of the remaining names (now Carlos Correa and Trevor Story) could be had on a shorter-term deal.
Whereas the Yankees think so highly of shortstop prospects Anthony Volpe and Oswald Peraza that they don’t want to acquire a positional roadblock, their first base situation is a little more crowded in the present. Luke Voit is coming off an injury-plagued season but is still the incumbent at the position, with DJ LeMahieu also in the mix when he isn’t playing third base. The infield picture additionally consists of Gleyber Torres as the everyday second baseman, and Gio Urshela playing third and backing up at shortstop behind a new (stopgap) shortstop that will also be taking an every day role. Giancarlo Stanton is still expected to get the bulk of DH time, though since Stanton will get some usage in the outfield, that will open up the DH spot for one of the infielders to get more playing time.
Despite all the notable names here, Voit, LeMahieu, Torres, and Urshela are all coming off underwhelming seasons, so New York can’t just count on everyone to bounce back. Plus, a proven star like Freeman (even entering his age-32 season) represents such a big upgrade that the Yankees might just prefer to make the signing and then figure out how the pieces fit after the fact. For instance, Voit would seem like the most obvious trade candidate in this scenario, as Voit could be dangled to a first base-needy team that either missed out on Freeman or couldn’t approach his asking price in the first place.
It’s possible the Yankees might also be hoping they can land Freeman at something of a discount price amidst the post-lockout signing frenzy, though that could be more of a difficult play. Teams like the Blue Jays and Red Sox have also been linked to Freeman, the Dodgers and Angels have been noted as possible fits given Freeman’s SoCal roots, and there is still some sentiment that Freeman will ultimately remain with the Braves after all. MLBTR projected Freeman to land a six-year, $180MM deal this winter, and the first baseman is reportedly indeed looking for a contract in that range, though Atlanta (and presumably other clubs) has been hesitant to offer a sixth guaranteed year.
Like Correa and Story, Freeman has draft pick compensation attached since he rejected the qualifying offer. Freeman is five years older than Correa and a little over three years older than Story, plus first base is less of a premium position than shortstop — but it could be argued that Freeman in some ways a safer investment, given how consistent he has been over the last decade. If a team doesn’t want to pay Correa a reported $330MM or make a big nine-figure investment in Story coming off a down year, Freeman may appeal more to a team like the Yankees, who have multiple promising shortstops in the pipeline.
Locking up Freeman on a long-term deal might also be something of a hedge on the Yankees’ part in regards to an Aaron Judge extension. Judge is scheduled for free agency next winter, and he’ll be turning 31 in April 2023. It could be that the Yankees think committing big money to a 32-year-old Freeman through his age-36 or -37 season is a wiser move than paying Judge even more money through his 30’s. Freeman missed time in the 2015 and 2017 seasons due to wrist injuries, but has generally been a very durable player throughout his career. Judge, meanwhile, missed big portions of the 2018-20 seasons due to injury, though he stayed healthy in 2021.
all in the suit that you wear
Freddie is 32. How many good years do you think he has left?
YourDreamGM
Hard to say. Statistics probably say not many. I mainly watch non mlb level baseball. How’s his back? If no issues then he can be good until 35 or 36.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
35/36 is really pushing it in terms of expectation for a 32 year old, no matter how good he once was or currently is. All bets are off at 30+. Trout will also never again be the player he once was.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
The only reason Trout is still great is because of the bat. Every other major aspect of the game- fielding, base stealing, durability- has fallen off in a major way. Trout is already teetering on the brink of being a 4 WAR type of player. In fact, he may already be roughly a 4 WAR level type of player, in terms of what can reasonably be expected- especially with the durability issue factored.
JeffreyChungus
Trout was worth 1.8 WAR in 36 games and had 96th percentile sprint speed. Durability is more of the issue–he’s less willing to push himself on the basepaths and in the field, and it shows in his mixed defensive metrics. Not a chance he’s only a 4-win player over a full 162 just yet though.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I would count on 5-6 WAR over 150 games (the most he will possibly play ever again- and 150 is pushing it) at this point. He’s now flat out bad in the field and almost literally never steals bases. He was one of the best base stealers of all time when success % is factored. But being that he’s turning 31 this season, he could easily be a 3-4 WAR type of player over a full season in just a couple of years or so. Also, who knows how much the calf injury will further usher in decline- that could be huge. He could truly be station to station at this point on the bases, just for 1 example.
YourDreamGM
There are few players I would want to give 200 300 million to. After thirty who knows when they will fall off. But if healthy a 1b can age well enough. He is a good defender but all that matters is his bat. I know he had some wrist injuries. Are those one and done an healed or will they be a problem in the next 4 years? I am not a doctor.
All that matters with Trout is his bat. His speed makes him a all time great but sure his war is going to gradually lower. I don’t think his lack of stolen bases has anything to do with loss of speed. Probably lost some speed but he cut down on steals long before that happened likely to prevent injury and base stealing decreasing in general.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I know he’s still fast, but going from one of the best bast stealers of all time to a player who now basically never steals bases is a big drop off- and even worse considering the fact that he (up until the calf injury, at least) still has/had great speed yet just decided to stop running. He was never a great fielder other than 2020, but he was good, and now he is flat out bad. He was average in 2019, awful in 2020 and he was bad in 2021- that’s never coming back. He will never again be good in the field and going from a good CF (which is a premium place to play, therefore a lot of value) to a bad CF is a huge difference. That’s the thing- he was a complete player, so a lot more mattered than his bat- now all he has is his bat and maybe (maybe because who knows how much the calf injury will affect him) still speed on the bases- although he will definitely never be a base stealer again and he may not even be fast in general anymore. At least in the sense that even if he still has good speed after the injury (might not), he will very likely not use it much at all running the bases, out of concern for re-injury. So whereas before he stopped stealing bases but still had a good amount of value on the bases (decline) because of his general speed and base running, now he may for all intents and purposes not really have much of any speed on the bases (further decline). Star at this point only because of his bat. The fielding, base stealing, and maybe even the speed in general will never come back. I would imagine the next 3 years will be something like an average of something like 120 games per season and 4 WAR per season.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Great in 2012 as a CF, not 2020.
Tigers3232
He had one season stealing more than 40 bases. Saying he was at any point one of best base stealers of all time is an absolute stretch.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
He averaged 26 for 31 from 2012-2018. That’s similar to Beltran and one of the best performances of all time. Success % makes a huge difference and it’s not like he was averaging 14 out of 16 per year. He was a true base stealer.
rct
‘But being that he’s turning 31 this season, he could easily be a 3-4 WAR type of player over a full season in just a couple of years or so. ‘
So is he ‘teetering on the brink’ or is it in ‘a couple of years or so’. Not exactly a bold prediction if you’re saying he’ll be a 4 WAR player when he’s 34-35.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I said a couple of posts ago that I’m expecting an average of roughly 4 WAR per season for the next 3 years. Bet you that you don’t see anybody else make that kind of prediction about him and keep that in mind when it likely ends up being true. It’s an extremely bold prediction compared to what the vast majority in general are or would be expecting of him.
rct
You said that but then you also said it wouldn’t be for a ‘couple of years or so’. So you’re making multiple predictions, hedging against each other. Not that bold.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
I would rather sign Freeman for 5 years, $140 million(28 million per) and a club option for a 6th season, then resign Anthony Rizzo for 2 years, or trade for Olson and give up my prospects like Gil, Peraza, Wells or Sweeney. They obviously then will sign a stopgap like an Iglesias or Simmons for 1 year until Peraza is ready towards the end of the year.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Around 4 WAR per season of actual production for the next 3 years- that’s the main prediction and it’s an extremely bold prediction.
all in the suit that you wear
You make a lot of sense, Lifer.
waltsneck1
That doesn’t make him “one of the best 0f all time.” Ricky Henderson, Tim Raines, Lou Brock, Luis Aparacio and many, many others would be ahead of him as base stealers.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I said ‘one of the best’. Again, ‘one of the best’. Beltran has the best SB success rate in history of anybody with at least 300 SB and Trout was in line to finish very similarly to that. There’s more to SB than just the raw number- success % makes a huge difference, and even with that being said, I never said there weren’t many others ahead of him. If he didn’t simply decide to stop running when he didn’t have to stop then he definitely would have finished as one of the best, considering the excellent success %.
VonPurpleHayes
At least 4.
Vizionaire
10!
baseballguy_128
Like that thinking
Deadguy
Call him Tom Brady if he does 10
all in the suit that you wear
I get why Atlanta is hesitant to sign a 32 year old to the 6 year deal he wants.
Tomahawk Takeover
There should be no hesitancy. His approach at the plate will age well as he hits to all fields and even though he has plenty of power, doesn’t sell out for it. His defense is outstanding. He’s the face of the franchise and the team leader. The DH is coming so once the defense slips, if it does at all, there’s still a spot for him the last couple of years of the contract. Being cheap is the only reason for not having this done.
andyg37
Everyone thought the same about Votto too. His power evaporated until he started selling out for it. Not saying the same is guaranteed for Freddie but we have season it happen
astick
What? Votto from his age 32 to 35 years put up 15 war/151 wRC+. Yeah, age 36 sucked. I don’t know who counts 2020. This past year he had a 3.5 war and 140 wRC+. That’s actually bringing a surplus value.
Tomahawk Takeover
You can’t compare Votto and Freddie. Their approaches at the plate are totally different.
lady1959
Thx bathing guru. ⚾️
all in the suit that you wear
You make a convincing argument, Tomahawk.
flamingbagofpoop
Being able to move him to DH isn’t really a selling point when you’re talking about paying him 25m+/yr.
flamingbagofpoop
By different, do you mean Votto’s is better? 37 year old Joey Votto had a better wRC+ than 31 year old Freeman in 2021( 140 vs 135), kinda crazy.
flamingbagofpoop
Luckily for the Braves and their fans, you guys already have another face of the franchise type player just waiting to take over that role (assuming and hoping he comes back from injury ok)
tstats
Corporate ownerships don’t give a flip about FOF
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
4 or 5 good years left for Freddie. He’s asking for 6 years. The Braves have already offered 5 so I think another team will have to guarantee that 6th year at a $30 million AAV all the way through to get him. I’m not sure if the Yankees should be willing to do that until his age 38 season but if they are, he will probably listen. I think this report pretty firmly puts the Yankees in the top 2 of teams likely to start next season with Freeman at first base. Someone else was telling me on this site earlier today he thought the Blue Jays were the most likely team. They could use his bat but moving Vlad to a different position would be foolish and Freeman isn’t signing anywhere unless he is guaranteed the everyday starting first base job.
User 3663041837
It’s Heyman he’s probably just making things up again.
flamingbagofpoop
I think 4 or 5 is being generous, depending on what you mean by good.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
@flaming: I just meant maybe 4 or 5 years where’s he’s still probably going to be serviceable enough to be an everyday starting first baseman. Not 4 or 5 years of playing like he has in his career this far. I would guess that the decline starts to kick in after 2 more years and then he will have 2 or 3 more where a team can play him without him being a total hole in the lineup. By year 5 I would guess he is an average major leaguer at best and year 6 he probably would be better suited as a pinch hitter. Paying $60 million for those last 2 years would be a doozy. Most players really start a pretty noticeable decline after they turn 34. The Braves really would have been better suited by giving him a 10 year extension all those years ago instead of 8. Then they could have kept him through age 34 and made new plans after that while another team pays him for what will likely be exclusively decline years. I read something interesting a long time ago. When people were putting prospect rankings out right before Freeman and Heyward we’re called up to the majors, Heyward was always the consensus #1 prospect in baseball on every list. A lot of people didn’t even include Freeman in their top 100. Talk about misranking. Heyward is #1 and Freeman wasn’t even in the top 100? They both got drafted and called up at the same time.
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Bruin1012
Votto started dropping off dramatically in his 34th age year still decent but significantly down from his 33 age year. If Freeman follows that trajectory he will probably start to decline at 34-35. He should be good for at least the first two or three years of the contract though.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
At most I would personally count on 2. Definitely not 3.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
At least 5 more good years.
ck420
Nelson Cruz, big papi and others played well into late 30’s I think Freddy will be that type of hitter
Cosmo2
Those are outliers. I predict that Freeman begins to decline immediately. He’s at that age, although I guess if there is a player to bet on bucking that trend, perhaps it’s him.
Ma4170
If he can stay healthy I’d say four more strong years… which is worth a 6-year deal under $200M these days imo… not a Yankee fan, but I think he’s the exact type of player to make them a serious WS contender for the short term
billysbballz
Steroids Cosmo?
YourDreamGM
What’s not to love. Surprised Atlanta couldn’t work things out. Still can. They will be fine either way. Can’t blame a team for not wanting to spend 200 million on a plus 30 player.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
He’s lowered his ask to $180 million but he’s also 32+. Long term contracts to first baseman just never work out. Pujols, Cabrera, Vaughn, Davis, Howard, Gonzalez, Fielder, Mauer, etc. The list just goes on and on. First base is the last position you want a player to get too old at because they can’t play anywhere else. So many big contracts have been given out at that position and gone terribly bad that I don’t blame any teams for not wanting to do it. At least shortstops, third baseman and center fielders can move to a less demanding position when they lose a step. Not with 1st baseman though. That’s pretty much already the end of the line.
coolpapabellx
I’m a tigers fan and that Cabrera contract was flat out stupid at the time.
foppert
Big guys getting bigger. Might not be so applicable to Freeman. Pretty fit looking guy.
Lost a lot of respect for Pujols in that regard. Looks like he hasn’t given himself a chance of ageing well. $30m a year. Got to do better.
bronxbombers
Pujols is like 45/46 give him a break
YourDreamGM
I wouldn’t pay him. Odds are definitely against him. Still a better contract than ones you mentioned. 5 6 years better than double digit years. Yankees have given out or taken on worse contracts. The Ellsberry may be the worst in mlb history. Yeah Pujols Miggy are awful but their production wasn’t dependent on running speed and defense.
gbs42
Hammer, no one knows what Freeman’s asking price is, so saying he’s lowered it to $180M is just a guess.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
@gbs: MLBTR reported a couple months ago that Freeman wants a 6-year contract “in the $180 million range.” So maybe not exactly $180 million but that specific number has been thrown around by his agents and/or Freeman himself.
gbs42
MLBTR also has reported he wants 6/$200. The fact that the most recent report is from John Heyman doesn’t and still me with a lot of confidence.
It’s all rumor and speculation. I understand that’s exactly what this site is about, but saying he has lowered his ask to that number is still just a guess. We’ll all see after a new CBA is in place.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
@gbs: That’s true. The order itwas reported was Freeman asked for 6/$200M first. Then is came out that the Braves and he were struggling to come to an agreement and their highest offer was 5/$135M. It was after all that when the 6/$180M reports came out. I interpreted that as a form of negotiating where Freeman was lowering his ask in hopes that the Braves raise their offer in an attempt to meet in the middle. 6/$180M is still the most recent number I have heard reported from Freeman’s camp. I guess you can say we don’t know for sure but that would kind of mean people shouldn’t be surprised if he asks for $300 million or something. My guess is the actual number is somewhere around $180 million that Freddie is aiming for. He could sign for more than that but I doubt it will be with the Braves. I would guess that is he stays in Atlanta the number would be no higher than in the 180’s. If Atlanta were to offer him 6/180 on the day the lockout ends, I believe Freeman would happily accept and probably be surprised their offer wasn’t lower. It is possible though that he would require more than that from another team that wants him to leave Atlanta, though. I’m not sure.
tstats
Howard was ruined by a fluke injury
VonPurpleHayes
I think it’s all a little overblown because of the lockout. I don’t see Freddie playing elsewhere.
tstats
Yet, Freddy might see himself playing elsewhere
VonPurpleHayes
@tstats I doubt he wants to. This isn’t uncommon. Like I said the lockout makes things look longer. Look at Realmuto and the Phillies. Even Jeter and the Yankees. This stuff happens all the time. Freddie will be a Brave and we’ll forgot about it in no time. Or he won’t and I’ll be deservedly mocked and abused. Both options are fun for everyone.
stymeedone
I will be stunned if the NYY decide to pay Freeman $200MM. Just doesn’t seem to be the best use of resources. They have a low cost option in Voit, who is likely to be healthy. Sitting him on the bench won’t increase his trade value and Stanton needs the DH spot.
RunDMC
Voit being healthy is a lot riskier than overpaying Freeman. If nothing else, it’s a good excuse to the fans (who will love him in Year 1) not to be extend Judge and watch him leave, while seeing Freeman become a crowd favorite that will make many forget about Judge who will want far more with a lot of injury risks.
Ducky Buckin Fent
“(who will love him in year 1)”
Yes: Yankee fans will love him. Until his first 0-4. After which you will see a deluge of, “6 more years of this!” Sure bet, @DMC.
Scroll down. Some of us seem to be starting early.
RunDMC
He’s good friends with Brian McCann, so I’m sure he’ll get a nice recommendation of NYY….lol. His signing with them got him paid — and a ring (when they dumped his contract on HOU). Worth it for a few boos.
Ducky Buckin Fent
“They don’t boo nobodies.”
jimmyz
I’m surprised the Yankees are thinking about making big moves for the offense and not on pitching.
bronxbombers
Yankees were excellent at pitching last year
Ducky Buckin Fent
It’s crazy how persistent that narrative is, @bombers. Even the writers here put it in articles.
But: anyone who thinks we need pitching instead of bats probably didn’t watch us very much last season. Our pitching was outstanding. Our “hitting” was an embarrassment.
JoeBrady
If it helps, as a RS fan, I have Cole, Taillon, Severino & Cortes on my fantasy draft list. At various levels, obviously, but I expect good production from all four.
OTOH, on the offensive side, I only list Judge & Stanton, but only if they fall, and then DJ, Torres, and Sanchez as bench candidates.
Appalachian_Outlaw
This is why you don’t play games with a franchise cornerstone. Atlanta should have signed him in Spring Training. I’m confident he’ll be productive for at least 4 more years, which is a 4 year window. Maybe he’s productive for 5 or 6, who knows? If they have to eat a year or two at the end, eh. It’s not like they’re trying to carve out 30m a year, it’s less than an additional 10m. Get the deal done!
baseballguy_128
Ad a braves fan this sucks to hear
samthebravesfan
Don’t read anything into it. It’s as general as it can get. Of course the Yankees want Freeman. Before the lockout, there was a report saying the Dodgers were pivoting to Freeman after Seager left. So those two could easily bid against each other.
brucenewton
Older and slow corner bat with power. A Cashman favorite. Up the middle defense and speed, forget about it. That’s for WS teams.
AHH-Rox
DJ is an excellent defensive 2B. If they sign Freeman they should see if the White Sox will give them something of value for Gleyber.
brucenewton
He wasn’t last year. He did rate excellent at 1B ( albeit a small sample ).
The_Voice_Of_REASON
DJ LeMahieu’s last standout season in the field was 2018, before he played a single game for the Yankees. His last decent season in the field was 2019.
seamaholic 2
Not so much anymore. Time catches up with everyone.
allweatherfan
Yankees IF is terrible; they need more than just Freddie.
WiffleBall
So they do need Freddie.
Rsox
Hmmm, the Yankees do know that if they sign Freeman the Braves aren’t going to pay for him right?…
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Fits in perfectly in terms of the Yankees’ long history of acquiring players who were once great but are shells of their former selves at the time of signing/acquisition, and players who are on the edge of the cliff in terms of imminent major decline. Never learn and no World Series for 13 years. Sure, go ahead and give a 32 year old Freeman a huge contract.
gbs42
“long history?”
The Yankees’ long history consists of winning 27 World Series, more than double any other team. Sure, a 13-year drought is long for them, but their history stretches much further back than that.
Yanks2
Because they bought all their championships and the reason NYY doesn’t make it out of the division series anymore is because having the highest payroll is trivial nowadays
Mantle536
Yanks2: The Yankees did NOT “buy all of their championships.” Mantle, Gehrig, Berra, DiMaggio, Jeter, Ford, Posada, etc., etc. were all draft choices or signed as high school or college players. So, ANY OTHER TEAM could have signed those players, too, but the Yankees were the team that was smart enough to see their true value.
The following comment you made was equally stupid: “the reason NYY doesn’t make it out of the division series anymore is because having the highest payroll is trivial nowadays.”
Oh, Really? Then why do the Dodgers, with their Exceptionally High Payroll, make it ever year? You, literally, don’t know the first thing about baseball “Yanks2.” And why does someone who apparently hates the Yankees use that screen name?
The reason the Yankees haven’t made it further in the playoffs is because they’ve made numerous poor decisions under Hal & Cashman’s leadership. Gene Michaels & Watson put together the Yankees’ last dynasty; Hal & Cashman have Failed Miserably at doing that.
NyyfaninLAA land
Directly addressing the “long history” of over the hill acquisitions – which at this point in his career Freeman wouldn’t fit unless signed to a 6 year deal, which won’t happen in NY – I’d have to ask you to detail this history. I still see NY far more interested in Olsen.
They have added some guys as fill ins in a playoff chase that were older, but usually either without giving up much (McCutcheon in ’18) or not having to pay them (Rizzo in ’21) and many might think Riz hasn’t become a “shell of himself” yet.
Kluber in ’21 might qualify but even he seemed to be ramping up off injury, then got hurt again. Plenty of teams take 1 year flyers on guys like that, though maybe not for the money NY paid him. Maybe LaMahieu looks that way now after his decline this past season, but they resigned him to a longer than expected contract in ’21 to reduce the annual lux tax hit. The 2 year deal they signed him to originally in ’19 was a steal..
Frankly free agency isn’t where the Yanks do most acquisitions in the last few years anyway – far more common they trade for guys. And I wouldn’t call their biggest FA grab in the last few years – Cole in ’19 – a “shell of his former self” or “on the edge of the cliff”. Nor would I say the same about Chapman, resigned after they’d traded him to the Cubs in ’16.
Frankly I just don’t see that your opinion stands up to detailed scrutiny.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
The Yankees have acquired quite a bit of big name players when they were well past their prime and in serious decline years: Ivan Rodriguez, Jacoby Ellsbury, Vernon Wells, Javier Vasquez (twice), Kevin Youklis, Lance Berkman, Jesse Orosco, Jose Canseco, Todd Zeile, John Olerud, Andrew McCutchen, Matt Holiday, Kenny Lofton, Dwight Gooden, Daryl Strawberry and David Justice to name a few. Some of those turned out better than others but I would say that stands up to scrutiny. That’s a lot more big name players well past their prime than most teams have acquired.
They haven’t been doing it as much recently but it was a big thing with George Steinbrenner. If the Yankees had a position of need, George would frequently go out and get the biggest name he could find regardless of current production level because he wanted to be able to say that the “great” player was a Yankee at some point in their careers. A lot of those guys were only with the Yankees for the tail end when everyone knew they were done. I think even some of them were only picked up because another Yankee got injured and George always loved the idea of replacing an injured player with a potential future hall of famer. Most of those players didn’t cost the Yankees a ton of money or prospects but some did. I would say that’s a pretty extensive list, though, and I am sure there are more I have just forgotten about.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
You could maybe consider guys like Carl Pavano, AJ Burnett and Jared Wright on top of that. They weren’t as old but they were all good for other teams and then took a lot of money to go the the Yanks and be terrible. Raphael Soriano is another one. The Yankees paid him like a closer to be Rivera’s setup up man and gave him opt outs after every year in his contract which at the time was only reserved for superstar players and not setup men. He wasn’t terrible with the Yankees but he certainly wasn’t worth what he got paid and no one could believe the Yankees gave him that contract. They really needed starting pitching at the time but none was available. Soriano was the best free agent pitcher available so Steinbrenner was adamant about signing him against Brian Cashman’s wishes. I believe Cashman even refused to do the negotiating or even show up to the signing so Steinbrenner did it himself with some other advisors. That’s quite a lot of big name players who used to be very good were either too old or just got paid a lot to either underperform or just be flat out terrible for the Yankees. I do think it’s probably overstated the negative impact most of those guys had on the Yankees but it’s still a large amount none-the-less. Some of the guys like Ellsbury, Burnett, Pavano and Wright really did have terrible impacts, though. They were also paid a lot at the time.
NyyfaninLAA land
Most of the guys you name here are deals made 10 years ago or more. And George died in 2010.
I’m old enough to have actually seen Mickey Mantle play, but I don’t think what teams did 10 years ago or more is all that relevant to their current roster construction approach.
Most of your larger list of signings were for guys for just a year or 2.. Ellsbury is the biggest example of a giant mistake in the last 10 years or so and that was 8 years ago. And injuries are always going to be what makes most large deals look bad, though I thought the Ellsbury deal was bad from the jump. Sure, technically that’s “history” but that doesn’t make it their modus operandi. And a team always in playoff contention is typically going to make more short term “plug a hole” deals for veterans.
Again, over the last 5 years most Yanks transactions have been trades, not FA signings. Some have worked, some not as much.
Ducky Buckin Fent
I hope you post here more often.
A'sfaninLondonUK
I know this flies in the face of contemporary TTO wisdom, but I see NYY as being particularly unathletic as an all round team. There’s no speed. You could clear out the entirety of the infield with the exception of Le Mahieu and no one would complain. Adding 32 year old Freeman at $180/6 to replace 31 year old Voit is – umm – questionable.
The Yanks need contact, speed and most of all run creation. It’s laughable as an example that 37 year old Brett Gardner led the team with 4 triples.
Time to give youth a chance – give Peraza a shot now – and as usual there isn’t a lot wrong win a 92 win team but other than Judge & Stanton he line up isn’t scary….
Ducky Buckin Fent
Oh, no.
Roger that, London. The Yanks (& the Twins) were really adversely effected by the Great Ball Dejuicing of 2021. Cash’s deadline moves were direct admissions that he’d created a flawed, one dimensional team. That admission is pretty hopeful moving forward.
But: Voit hits. Always has. When he is on the field. That “on the field” thing has been a problem though.
& Gio is a fine defensive 3rd baseman & an above average hitter. He just spent huge chunks miscast last season as a starting SS & a cleanup hitter.
Gleyber…well, Big Season coming up for that young man.
I am more Rizzo + Story as opposed to Freeman, personally.
You are correct, though. We need to add some variety to the offense. Lack of: speed, LH bats, contact hitting all need to be addressed.
whyhayzee
Part of the problem for the Yankees is the same problem for every team. Dilation or shrinking of the strike zone accompanied with inconsistent standards for the baseball. If teams knew the direction MLB was headed in their seemingly drunken random walk, they could adjust more readily. I believe in standardization. A different nut is not all of a sudden going to fit on the same screw. 5/8 is 5/8. Baseball seems to like “flexibility” in fundamental equipment like balls rather have the same standards apply year after year. Are teams allowed to change their fences when they figure out the ball is juiced? Part of the joy in baseball is the difference in stadiums. Should we make them all the same? I don’t think so. But the baseballs and the strike zone? Absolutely.
Ducky Buckin Fent
My college transportation was a ’70 Triumph Bonneville. Drove that thing year round, man. Which in itself is nuts. But by the time I got that bike, I needed 3 types of wrenches to work on it: standard, metric, British wentworth. There’s an analogy there somewhere.
tstats
What was the last bad contract the Yankees handed out? DJLM isn’t even that bad.
AlienBob
I think Altanta comes out of the lockout and immediately makes an offer on Matt Olson. He is going to cost a couple good prospects but things are going to happen fast. The Braves have negotiated long enough with FF. That will make Freeman willing to listen to offers from other teams. His price will come down. He and Correa are going to panic after others get signed and they see the money disappearing. At that point I think Freeman signs with the Dodgers.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Olson is going to cost a couple of premium prospects at a minimum. Pache or Waters plus 1 or 2 of the Braves best pitching prospects would probably get the deal done. If the Braves won’t pay that, other teams will even though Olson only has 2 years of control left. The Yankees would be much smarter to trade for Olson than to pay for Freeman. They can trade one of their shortstop prospects, along with Luis Gil and another Top 15-20 prospect in their system.
RunDMC
I was thinking Pache/Waters plus Kyle Wright, Kyle Muller and lesser prospect. Honestly, I’m ok with that asking price, so maybe that’s not enough.
The thinking is that OAK typically likes high-ceiling projects and Pache and immense talent that hasn’t put it altogether that could be a younger (less offensive) Ramon Laureano, back in the day. Muller has immense talent and Kyle Wright is ready to take a spot that could be vacated by getting rid of Montas, Bassitt in a separate deal.
DarkSide830
OAK is in a selling mood. you can probably get him at 90 cents on the dollar or less.
MetsFan22
Lol Braves fans are funny. The A’s would laugh at that. Pache and Walters are not going to be anything special. Heck they might not be in the bigs in 5 years. And Kyle Wright is a bother waste. Another bust. You’re starting the package with that Catcher. And adding a few..
JeffreyChungus
The King Has Spoken
Tomahawk Takeover
Your opinion is irrelevant. You think the Mets are the greatest thing since sliced bread and hate Atl.
RunDMC
Yes, OAK will trade for a catcher when they have Sean Murphy cheap and controllable AND their top prospect (C Tyler Soderstrom) is a catcher. Sure, trade away your key 1B for something you already have cheap, depth in.
You know who Muller is, right? Not David Duchovny’s X-Files character.
MetsFan22
Bro I was saying that that Cather you guys have in the minors is way more valuable than pache and Walters who look like complete bust. No one wants your broken prospects. Wright is just horrible and you’re overrating muller. They aren’t jumping in joy if they squire muller as the main piece.
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@MetsFan22
It’s Drew WATERS. Stop calling him “Walters.” Troll.
flamingbagofpoop
Separate from the actual proposal by MF22, I would not put it past OAK to acquire a guy they have depth for if they thought they were getting very good value in return.
RunDMC
LOL — Drew Waters is better than C prospects, but not worthy of you getting his name right in 2 tries. Got it. Wright looked great in limited appearances during the WS run (5.2 IP, 1 ER, 6 SO, 3 BB (2 IBB), 1.59 ERA) when it counted – and put up consistent numbers at AAA (10-5, 3.02 ERA, 2 CG, 137 IP, 9 K/IP, .234 OBA). He’ll have the best shot of all the P prospects to win a rotation spot in ST. Wright has never been a consistent shot & his development was rushed in part of no 2020 MiLB season and a 2020 playoff that badly needed IP wherever they could get it (Wright would have never started vs. LAD if it wasn’t an emergency situation). Muller, according to some prospect rankings, is the highest-rated P in a deep system. OAK would like him, in part, because he’s a Driveline product that has a very high-ceiling that needs to put it altogether. His SO numbers allows him a long leash.
tstats
For once I agree with a single point here. Kyle Wright won’t be that good
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@tstats
You may be right but he really saved the Braves in Game 4 of the World Series after Dylan Lee could only get one out in the first inning. If Kyle Wright never does anything else for the Braves, he still contributed to a championship.
NyyfaninLAA land
This rings to me as a common Heyman post, likely a lead from his agent trying to exert pressure on the Braves. Every agent wants their guy linked to the Yankees.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I would laugh if the Yankees sign Freeman to a 6 year deal. If they did that, come 2025, they’d have 4 players who will be 34-36+ years old (Cole, LeMahieu, Stanton & Freeman) to whom they’d be paying over $110M in salary for. Increase that to 5 players and $140M+ if they re-sign Judge too. Is Hal finally turning into his father after all these years?
Donald Acuna
Totally agree with you. The Yankees need consistent health and production from their current players, not an entirely new source of offense.
Yankee Clipper
And it would be yet another example of the Yankees spending Pennie’s frugally while burning hundreds. I simply don’t understand their operational goals anymore (collectively).
Dorothy_Mantooth
I did forget that the Marlins will be paying $10M per year of Stanton’s contract in 2026-2028, but that would still be $100M in salary paid out to Cole, DJ, Freddie & Stanton in 2026 when the youngest player would be Cole at age 35. That’s a lot of money for (4) players of that age and this assumes they let Judge walk too.
baseballpurist
Five years from now, all four of those salaries will be bargains at the current annual rise.
Donald Acuna
Gotta love Jon Heyman. From out of nowhere he pulls an apparently surprising nugget that the Yankees “love” Freeman. Every team loves Freeman and at the right price will “take a run at him.” When did a team wanting a phenomenal player at a desirable price become news?
Appalachian_Outlaw
When it’s the Pirates.
samthebravesfan
Exactly. It’s the un-newsiest of news.
Mynameisnoname
Yankee speak for making a run means going bargain hunting.
At least for NYY sake, the WCoast teams have even higher taxes, but I see the Yankees probably closer to the ATL offer than what it would take for him to choose NY over ATL and LAD.
DarkSide830
So guys, you still think there’s no shot at all he leaves?
Tomahawk Takeover
Yep. This is coming from Heyman so it’s a nothing burger. If teams were going hard at him, he’d have gotten offers prior to the lockout. He’s a Braves lifer. He’ll get his 6 yrs, 170-180 mil, and continue to be the face of the franchise until he hangs it up.
gbs42
Or the big-market teams were waiting to see what happens with the CBT before making offers.
Tomahawk Takeover
If a team is dead set on getting a player they can’t live without, they get it done. The fact that it didn’t happen shows that while Freeman would make every team better, the teams that can afford him either have bigger needs or don’t have the position open.
Yankee Clipper
The Yankees “expected to take a run at” Freeman is like expecting Correa’s price point to drop under $200M, or expecting to “address” SS but settling for Andrelton Simmons. This is a pure Heymanism hyperbole.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Wait…are you saying we’re actually not getting Freeman?
Yankee Clipper
Unfortunately, my friend, I’m saying this: At best, our offseason acquisitions will be Rizzo (okay, he’s good), Simmons (bleh), and injured pitcher to be named later.
Here’s what’s frustrating to me. They’ve spent more (AAV) trying to fill two-to-three players they didn’t need (say DJL/Gallo/Hicks) than to get, say, MVP Bryce Harper. It’s just…stupid.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Maybe.
I think we’ll see more than that. (Although, I don’t think Freeman is on the agenda.) I don’t think that will be enough – & I am sure Cash knows it won’t – to keep up the 95 win maintenance plan.
Yankee Clipper
Plus, for that money, I’d assume they’d be more in on some other candidates, but that’s just me.
Ya know, they could completely turn this around and go for broke when the bell rings post-lockout too. I don’t believe they’re going to get a long-term SS though – it’s stopgap all the way. 1B is really interesting because of Cashman alone. IF he thinks he can get a “good deal” on Olson, it’s like crack for him. But I think A’s know Olson’s value and it’ll be high (ie, they ask for Dominguez, Volpe, or Peraza and Cash says no).
I don’t see Freeman, like you, and for whatever reason, Voit doesn’t have their backing (as opposed to Sanchez).
There’s no true CF options, really. So that leaves us with…pitcher, and I think we will see something here; 1B, Rizzo/Olson; maybe a multi-position guy (like K Marte) or 3B, if they really go strong.
Either way, I think we will know pretty quickly if we will perform more like the 90’s Yankees, or the 2010’s Yankees.
slider32
Hindsight in baseball is always 20/20, Yanks are looking to upgrade at first. It will either be Freeman, Olson, or Rizzo. Maybe this is just a leak to goose the A’s along.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@YC I understand your frustration but nobody was expecting Torres and Sanchez to eventually turn into pumpkins and Hicks into Mr. Glass when Harper was a FA.
Yankee Clipper
Yes, and that’s a perfectly valid point. They’ve had a terrible run of Andujar, Frazier, Sanchez, Torres, and more. Ducky has been very consistent with that too, and he’s right, as are both of you.
I just look at it more from a preemptive narrative. When these guys do fail, they have the means to fix it, like this year, and the past three seasons. But as Ducky always points out, Hal’s company performance measure for Cash/Boone is 92 wins and a playoff appearance, hence the retentions of both.
Slider32: You’re correct also. It’s just that we all see the capability of this team. We all see the viability of moves that can clearly be made. We all see the necessity of making said moves and absolutely dropping the hammer in the ALE.
Then again, I’ve always been hyper-competitive; never one to settle for good enough. I don’t want to simply win, I want to crush the competition. But I guess for a Gen:X – Gen:Y cusper, I’m old school.
Salvi
Where’s all the “Freddie isn’t going anywhere” people. Every time it was said he might end up here or there, someone would jump into the mix with a conversation killing “He’s not leaving Atlanta”. If there was a deal to be had, it would’ve been done. Altanta had plenty of time to sign him, he could end up anywhere now.
Tomahawk Takeover
29 other teams had the chance to make him an offer before the lockout, they didn’t. I’ll help you out. He’s not going anywhere.
baseballguy_128
@Tomhawk Takeover has a good point if teams were so if teams were so interested in Freeman(like the Yankees) why didn’t they make him an offer before the lockout?
Yankee Clipper
They want to know the CBT penalties before committing to co tracts that could penalize them, especially since they knew they were going to ask for a salary floor and MLB’s counter was to lower the CBT faux cap.
slider32
Yanks aren’t concerned about the cap any more than other teams, they made over 700 million last year. They have a lot of money coming off the books in 23 too. They can sign a top player any time they want even with a Judge contract. He is making 17 million this year, so they will only have to pay him another 10 million with a new contract.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@slider32 Yankees could’ve made $7B last for all I care. It’s about how much they’re willing to reinvest in the team versus pocketing themselves.. There isn’t a single MLB team operating on a deficit after revenue sharing and MLBAM and league-wide merchandising sales payouts.
Tomahawk Takeover
The penalties are a drop in the bucket to the big ticket teams. If teams truly want a player, they’ll make it happen come hell or high water.
Dorothy_Mantooth
If the Yankees truly want to compete for a title next season, their #1 priority should be to invest in more pitching. While their projected starting 5 look pretty solid on paper, there is a lot of injury history there and the ‘can’t miss’ labels on Garcia & Schmidt are wearing off to say the least. Gil looks like he could be the real deal, but the Yankees are missing a true #2 starter and they should be willing to package Garcia, Schmidt and others to trade for one. Neither Montgomery or Severino can be counted on as a true #2. I guess they could take a chance on Rodon (who costs nothing but money) but injury concerns are legit with Rodon too. If they were to sign Rodon and a left handed batter like Eddie Rosario or Anthony Rizzo, that would address most of their needs. Gallo and Judge can cover CF if/when Hicks goes on the IL. They could look to upgrade behind the plate too. Spending $30M on Freeman makes no sense to me when they have much more pressing needs than acquiring an aging, all-star first baseman.
Ducky Buckin Fent
Disagree, Mantooth.
The Yanks were 6th in pitching last year, but a woeful 19th in scoring. We need to add bats. We need to find out at least 100 more runs laying around somewhere. I know it’s a switch. But our pitching is in pretty good shape for next year (both starting & bullpen.)
Priorities 1,2,3…maybe even 4 should be offense.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, and a lefty balance with a good bat is needed. They really need only one pitcher to completely solidify the starting pitching roster, imo. But, they need defense for they pitcher at key positions (C, SS, CF) and runs.
I’m fact, I’d say it’s very wise to look at a Freeman/Olson especially if they’re going with stopgap SS, like Simmons, who’s good defensively, because a potent bat becomes that much more important.
sufferforsnakes
Jon Heyman. Enough said.
baseballguy_128
Lmao
Kevin28786
One thing nobody mentions is that Freddie and Chipper are best buds. That could be a big factor. Chipper is revered by Braves fans largely because he is Mr. Brave. I think Freddie likes the idea of being held in that kind of esteem. Perhaps I’m wrong.
Tomahawk Takeover
You’re correct. Freddie has said that he wants to follow the same career path as Chipper. Atlanta knows that and is hoping to get a cheap steal of a contract instead of paying market value. They’ll end up meeting in the middle and he’ll retire a Braves lifer.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@Tomahawk. I still don’t see Freddie leaving either. For me it’s just like you said he’d already of signed elsewhere if he really wanted too. Freddie is on of the top free agents and at his age probably going to sign a 6 year contract rather than a 10 year like Correa for instance. I guarantee you he had offers on the table he just waiting for what he deems acceptable to him from where he wants to really be and that’s the Braves. I’m thinking the asking price will be going down anyway as it’s looking like a shortened season or maybe none at all for 2022.
Dorothy_Mantooth
I know that Freddie Freeman is very special to Atlanta and most people consider him to be the heart and soul of the team (rightfully so), but AA / Liberty Media doesn’t throw out the kind of contract offers that Freeman is looking for; not even close. If Freddie truly wants to stay in Atlanta, the best offer he’s likely to get is a George Springer deal (6/$150M) which if you ask me is very fair given his age. No one twisted Freddie’s arm 7 years ago when he signed that pre-Arb extension and this is the price he’ll have to pay for doing so. Hindsight being 20/20, he should have signed a 4-5 year extension back then so he would have been 29 or 30 when he hit free agency but he chose to grab as much money as he could. You can’t blame him for doing so.
Signing a 32 year old for 6 years is already a huge risk, let alone at the highest AAV for a first baseman in the history of MLB. AA just won’t meet that asking price I’m afraid and I could be overly optimistic that the Braves would even agree to pay him $25M/yr for 6 years too. Don’t get me wrong, I love Freeman and believe he belongs in Atlanta, I just don’t see it happening at his current asking price.
whyhayzee
What if Atlanta is willing to spend the money they “save” on signing Freeman to less than he wants and make the team even better? Isn’t that ok? Isn’t it all about winning? If you’re smart with money, you wind up as wealthy as you ever need to be in the end.
Fred McGriff
Lockout clickbait.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I would rather the Yankees sign Judge and Freeman to insanely high AAV contracts with fewer years.
Freeman: 6 years/$200M ($36M a season for 5 years, 1 year/$20M to end it on)
Judge: 6 years/$200M ($20M his final year of arbitration, $36M a year for five years for his free agent years.)
Neither is gonna get much more money for the AAV on the open market and I think offering Judge something that’s equal to Freeman and the sales pitch to both that they’re helping each other to potentially win multiple World Series in that 5 years could be enough.
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I just want the Braves to do whatever will help bring Atlanta another championship by 2025. There is still a lot of talent even if Freeman leaves.
Yanks2
No way on God’s green earth would the Yankees sign him. They’re on a “budget”. BOS has surpassed NYY in the last few years in every category and it’s shameful
Yankee Clipper
“ it’s shameful”
That about sums up how most of us feel on our early exits the last few years.
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Don’t worry. Jorge Soler avenged your recent ALCS losses. That ball is still in orbit.
Blank Frank
Freeman back to Braves, Yanks sign Correa, 2 years, $95 mil.
Yankee Clipper
Man, I don’t see that happening. Either that contract or the Yankees paying that much for it. But, who knows. If they do at least we know Mrs. Steinbrenner allowed Hal to have his raisins back for a few minutes.
NY_Yankee
More likely Simmons $2m ( or less) to the Yankees, Freeman to Toronto ( or Boston), Correa to the Phillies, and Voit will be the Yankees first baseman.
NyyfaninLAA land
Seems at this point the owners may be hoping to maximally compress the remaining transaction window before ’21 to get more players to take fast and team friendly deals for this season. Its definitely gonna play havoc with the remaining transactions window.
Some of that may happen, but I think it could also backfire. Lots of players could take 1 year deals and bet on themselves. That will certainly hurt some currently unsigned players – Freeman isn’t getting any younger – but the players seems more dug in than usual this time around. Not that the owners seem particularly flexible either.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
A seasoned, well-rounded GM, like Al Avila, will continue to be in the mix if only to drive the price up or snag a trade chip.
Go Al!
sox4ever
Perfect fit tbh
JoeBrady
Teams like the Blue Jays and Red Sox have also been linked to Freeman,
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1-The RS aren’t signing him. They already have Dalbec, with the possibility of Casas and Devers moving to 1st, and maybe someone like Jordan a possibility in a few year, and budget issues.
2-The BJs aren’t signing him. I understand that they like their current 1B, and need money for pitching.
3-The Yankees aren’t signing him, since they have Voit, and don’t currently have a position for DJ, are already over the cap, and still need a CF and SS.
NY_Yankee
Yankees are not even resigning Rizzo and Judge. Best we can hope for is Judge gets traded so we get a couple of good prospects from say San Francisco.
ws_champs
How would a similar Mark Teixeira regression look?
BPax
You sign Freeman to play point guard. Here’s your lineup……
F-Stanton 6’6″
F-Montgomery 6’6″
C-Judge 6’7″
G-Gallo 6’5″
G-Freeman 6’5″
G-Cole 6’4″
G-Taillon 6’5″
F-C-Sabathia 6’7″ (bring him out of retirement to come off the bench)
C-Randy Johnson 6’10” (See CC above)
There you have it. They could probably give the Knicks a run for their money.
fljay73
Come on Yanks offer Freeman a 10 year $30mil per contract! ARod2 all over again!
mlbnyyfan
Freeman stays in ATL. Yankees need to get Olson but Cashman reluctant to give up certain prospects. Cashman held onto Frazier and Andujar and look what happened years later.
brucenewton
Everything is going to depend on where the CBT tiers land. The Yankees ( Cashman anyway ), need the players to win that battle. The second tier penalties are perhaps more pertinent. One would think they’ll have to blow by the first tier.
whyhayzee
This has early year animosity nearly keeping every established supporter seeing unwilling cash keepers.
64' Yanks
Just smoke and mirror to keep the fans off Hal’s back, near the end the PR dept. will put out their excuses of not signging or trading for someone of quality. However, the story will be how Trashman found bargain basement garbage in the trash can and that will help make the Yankees competitive for the first month before the gum and bandages come off! Hal could care less about winning…just keep those nickels and dimes coming!
Altuves Buzzer
Freddie is far to classy for the Yankees. I don’t see it. Carlos Correira maybe.
mike156
i just don’t see it. And I’m always wary of Heyman when it comes to describing what team “loves” what player.
to4
I’ll say the Jays can easily walk away with Bryant, Freeman and Jansen if they want to and just sore up the 5ft sport between Stripling, Pearson and other or just go and sign a guy like Kikuchi.
to4
I meant sort!
SportsFan0000
“Clickbait”. The Yankees would have 300 players on their team if they made a run at every player that the Media says they are going to make a run at lol!
dimelotitony
The only obvious choice is Matt Olson from Oakland he may cost more in terms of talent to give up but his salary will fit in nicely for the Yankees to Upgrade at Pitching I dont see the Yankees upgrading CF Hicks is Cashman’s guy so giving Florial a chance finally as a 4th Outfielder or 5th Outfielder with Enciarte shores that up.
Freeman will cost money lots of money and they want Judge back with an extension but I would be wary of Judge getting the years he wants so Olson will allow the Yankees to not only trade Luke for a bag of balls but it will now push DJ to what they originally had signed him for to be that “Super utility” guy to move around the diamond.
Yankees should try and get Jose Ramirez and look about trading Gio a great offseason will be obtaining Ramirez & Olson then you can live with defensive shortstop and hicks inability to stay healthy.
64' Yanks
Just fake news, Hal has no interest in putting a WS team on the field. Its just trash can diving and fooling the fan base in New York. Hal has joined the number of owners who have no intestest in the WS, but only to line his pockets.