The Rays efforts to arrange a split-season home between Tampa Bay and Montreal were dashed last month, when Major League Baseball’s Executive Council officially shot down the idea. The club’s lease at Tropicana Field runs through 2027, but their long-term home remains uncertain.
With the split-city plan dashed, the Rays have pivoted back towards efforts to remain in the Tampa Bay area full-time. Speaking from the quarterly owners’ meetings this week, both Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg and MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred expressed optimism about the team’s chances of finding a long-term home there (pair of links from Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times).
Speaking with Topkin yesterday, Sternberg reiterated his surprise with the Executive Council’s decision to nix the split-city plan but said “there’s no value for me rehashing it at this point” and suggested recent talks with Tampa-area officials had been promising. “People want us in the area, which is the most important thing. We want to be in the area, which is the most important thing. And we have both (Tampa mayor Jane Castor) and her administration, and (St. Petersburg mayor Ken Welch) and his administration and the county people, who have been nothing but supportive and eager to engage with us.”
Manfred addressed the situation this morning as the owners’ meetings wrapped up. He reiterated his belief that “Tampa is a major-league market” and called it his hope that the Rays and local officials “find a solution that will keep a full season of baseball in Tampa.” With a bit more than five years remaining on the Tropicana Field lease and the Rays’ desire for the construction of a new stadium, the commissioner told Topkin there’s “a sense of urgency” in talks.
Last week, the Times obtained a copy of a summary report commissioned by the Tampa Sports Authority which estimated the cost of constructing a roofed, full-season facility with a capacity of 27,000 fans in Ybor City would cost in the realm of $892MM. Sternberg and team president Matt Silverman told Topkin they’re awaiting further details, including a comprehensive cost breakdown, from that analysis.
“It’s an incomplete picture of the work that they’ve been doing, and we’re eager to see that full pitch once it’s ready,” Silverman said. “Rather than react to a news report, we’re excited to sit down with the city and the county and the TSA.” Of course, apportioning responsibility for funding a potential new stadium will be key. While their split-season proposal was still on the table, the Rays indicated they were willing to foot half the bill on a stadium with an estimated $700MM overall price tag (thereby putting up around $350MM). The organization has yet to reveal how much they’d be willing to contribute to the construction of a full-season stadium in the Tampa Bay area.
RoastGobot
Straight up swap w the Sacramento kings who says no
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
In order for the Rays to “stay” in Tampa Bay wouldn’t they have to be in Tampa Bay in the first place? How about the get a halfway decent ballpark at a reasonable location which is actually in whichever city they claim to represent before we talk about them “staying” anywhere.
bucsfan0004
Why? So Tampa residents can make up another excuse not to go to baseball games? Move them out of Florida – MLB will be better for it.
StPeteStingRays
Kinda like Bucs fans when they’re not winning?
alwaysgo4two
Isn’t that interesting? The Pirates have a top 3 stadium and they can’t draw yet can complain about Tampa Bay fans not flocking to the tin can warehouse full of catwalks? Stay in your lane Bucco.
bravesiowafan
I mean to be fair Florida teams haven’t done great attendance wise (yes I mean for baseball). Why shouldn’t they move to a city that will actually have fans show up? Still haven’t seen that valid argument.
alwaysgo4two
Two unique situations. Miami’s poor choice of location is similar to the Rays. There was no forethought to either location. St Petes “if you build it, they will come” only worked for the field of dreams.
balloonknots
You are discounting 3 major factors in your comments – 1 corporate suites is biggest driver of income at stadium and building a stadium near the large corporates offices will certainly help there, Tampa corporate growth is huge! 2 don’t forget the amount tourist Tampa Bay Area drives in summer and 3 tv markets central Florida tv market which is Orlando-Tampa and west Florida down to Naples is already a top 10 market with a top 3 population growth projection in US – basic economics says they can’t take on the cost to relocate to a smaller market. Now the city knows that too and will not cough up a free stadium when they can get a replacement franchise in a heartbeat with those numbers
CleaverGreene
Attendance is becoming less and less important every year. A 27,000 seat stadium closer to where the fans are ( not Ybor) and you have a very good situation for the fans, the league and Stu.
People like the bucs fan should know that Tampa/Orlando/Interstate4 corridor will be home to 8=10 Million in a few short years. All within an hours drive of a Tampa Fairgrounds stadium. MLB is not leaving that population center and TV audience.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
As a Pirates fan in Pittsburgh (who also admires the Rays) you couldn’t of said it any better.
Fever Pitch Guy
This nonsense of blaming location for poor Marlins and Rays attendance has to stop.
1) Tropicana Field was NOT built for the Devil Rays. How could it have been when the stadium started being built in 1986 and the Devil Rays weren’t born until 1995. And FYI attendance has NEVER been an issue with other sporting events held at The Trop. It was even home of the Bolts for a while and they broke all sorts of attendance records.
2) Marlins Park was built on the same site as the Orange Bowl. You seriously gonna try to say there was attendance problems when the Dolphins and Canes called the exact same location home, not to mention all the SuperBowls and Orange Bowls and other events that were played there? If anyone is trashing Little Havana just because they don’t like Cubans, then please take the racism and go away. Most of us know baseball is a hugely popular sport in Cuba, and plenty of potential site assessments were done by people a lot more knowledgeable than any of us. It was the perfect location, just west of downtown.
Just call it what it is, poor attendance because of many losing years and transplanted Floridians that keep their allegiance to their favorite teams.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Instead of writing all of this you could’ve just said ‘I don’t think the rays are successful so screw them’. They’ve been a winning franchise since 2008…. 1181-986 in 14 years…. People in Florida, directly effected by the traffic, complain the cross over I-75 is their main issue. But hey, they suck right?
Fever Pitch Guy
You think it’s any easier navigating to downtown Tampa? Try going from I-4 to I-75 anytime between 6AM-7PM.
And again, if the location was such an issue then why wasn’t there attendance problems for other teams and events at The Trop?
As for your cherrypicking, take a look at their attendance and record since inception.
Was “location” an issue when they drew 2.5M in 1998?
How about 2008-2010 when they averaged 1.85M?
Fact is they’ve not been competitive in 16 of their 24 years, that amount of losing is bound to turn off fans.
Ham Fighter
Agreed and take the marlins too
bucsfan0004
@alwaysgofortwo
So now its the aesthetics of Trop Field and not the location? Ok. Instead of making snarky comments about the Pirates and me, youre actually bolstering my point. The Rays have had unbelievable teams/management/owner and don’t draw. When the Pirates get a whiff of winning, the fans flock to the ballpark. And its not exactly an easy drive on the Parkway during rush hour to get to the North Shore for a 6:35 game.
And unlike the Rays, the Pirates drew more than 23k for a playoff game. Must be those darn catwalks in Tampa making the fans allergic to watching winning playoff baseball. What a joke. Move the team out of Florida and implode the ballpark, too.
StPeteStingRays
Ham, the Rays ARE in Tampa Bay. The interwebs are difficult, huh?
Codeeg
They actually are in a completely different city, but still much closer than the angels to Los Angeles.
ajrodz1335
But the Angels are in Anaheim a good tourist city
DarkSide830
might require a swap of 2nd rounders as well
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As I’ve stated before, they need to go back to the “Devil Rays” uniforms if they’re going to stay there.
ajrodz1335
I mean they can alter the jerseys, like still use the navy blue hat, and take the devil out of the name and use the Rays text with the same style. Plus still have a baby blue and navy blue alternates just with the old Rays style text and no “devil” with the new hats which are their alternate hats now. And then make a TB alternate bay with the style and font of the 90’s
Rick Pernell
Like cogs on an idiot wheel so are the MLB days of Rob Manfred.
Jgwi2az
What’s the difference in cost between a half season stadium and a full season stadium????
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They obviously wouldn’t have to pay hourly employees when there are no games there.
User 3663041837
*Ron Burgundy I don’t believe you gif*
The Oregonian
27,000 is way too small, I get why they don’t make stadiums for 45-50K people anymore but to not even be at 30K? It would hardly even feel like an MLB venue.
bravesiowafan
I mean if teams were concerned with putting fans in the seats and actually supporting the by filling the stadiums every night they’d start selling leftover tickets for a couple bucks for the days leading up to the game. I mean really most stadiums left over seats are all at the top anyways makes no sense to not run promos to sell out more often. If they aren’t going to make revenue on the empty seats may as well sell them cheap and make the extra concessions $$.
bravesiowafan
*supporting the team
ohyeadam
If you’re in Iowa, THIS IS TWINS TERRITORY!!!!!
bravesiowafan
Lol Iowa is cardinal, white sox, cubs, twins and brewer territory it’s horrible for blackouts great for mixing up where to go to catch a game
CleaverGreene
Fenway has been around 33,000 for 100 years.
balloonknots
It’s about corporate suites guys and tv markets those are the big two income drivers
baberuthbomber
Having a 27K seat stadium is the new trend in baseball. It’s hard enough to fill other stadiums.
While you look at the Tampa population, it’s a good portion are retirement ages individuals who are living on fixed incomes, meaning they will not be buying season tickets likely and more likely to be single game ticket holders. The aging population as well needs more room and more accommodations, along with them more than likely to stay home because of the troubles of driving, food, etc.
Also need to account for a healthy amount of tourism flows in and out of Tampa. When Boston, NYY are in town it’s pretty much a home game for them. Along with people here pointing out people will come from Orlando. Orlando is a 45-60 drive.. no one is doing that on a school night, nor on a multiple a times a week for a baseball game.
27k stadium as well allows for club to charge slightly more as well.
Yankee-4-Lifer 75
Montreal should definitely have another chance for a baseball team. The Montreal Devil Rays would be perfect to a tee. It’s time for the Rays to leave Tampa.
StPeteStingRays
Montreal can have the Tampa Tarpons when the Rays evict them from Steinbrenner Field? Introducing the Montreal Tampons…
kc38
The Rays aren’t in Tampa, so thank you for stating the exact problem
CleaverGreene
I bet you want them out of the AL east also?
StPeteStingRays
Trolls can’t stand the Rays winning, so they attack the fans and stadium. Children…
Jake1972
I didn’t see it as attacking but stating the fact the City and it ran base refuse to support their Baseball team, so why not move them to a more friendly city instead?
Ga
What no GOPers and maganuts here to complain about “socialism” when rich guys are asking for 350 million+! LOL. If the taxpayers put up 1/2 the cash for a stadium, not to mention the tens of millions for sewers, energy, transport, roads, etc, we get half the ownership. Eventually the cities/regions & fans OWN the whole thing, just like many soccer teams in the world and the NFL Packers. No more “socialism” for rich guys!
fljay73
Then say goodbye to the Bucs in Tampa with that logic.
ohyeadam
It’s called oligarchy
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Why are you here?
baberuthbomber
The reason why cities, counties, etc give out these tax breaks is because they get money back to them via increased taxes. Things such as tourism (visitors pay a small hotel fee), taxes made from companies working locally, worker wages which results in money being spent at local restaurants, stores, etc.
These cities as well benefit from indoor stadiums as well because they can be booked year round and bring in multiple different events, thus improving tourism and those taxes are often making the local govts added revenue years down the road..
fljay73
Rays need to get closer to I75 & away from being so south down I275 in St Pete. This will allow them to be in a position to be closer to a wider area of fans North, South & East of the new stadium.
balloonknots
They simply need corporate suites put the stadium next the corporations who will buy the expensive suites. That’s the driver of income at the stadiums
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
How are there 2 most important things Mr. Manfred
30 Parks
Florida has Spring Training – a six week attention span for MLB. That seems to be Florida’s full capacity for MLB. A terrible park in an awful location with cheap owners. Bad recipe.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
But can you find 27,000 retirees and/or child support fugitives at any given time to fill the stadium?
stretch123
Rays should move to Nashville
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StPeteStingRays
You should take smaller sips of moonshine.
Rsox
Stu’s not going to say “ideally we’d love to get out of Dodge”…
Fever Pitch Guy
I’ve said before that Rays ownership seems to be doing everything they can to keep attendance down so they can use that as reason to leave.
Going completely cashless, refusing to sell printed tickets at the box office, refusing to improve the worst food safety record in MLB, and check out these RIDICULOUS prices as of right now on the official Rays website.
For a Friday night game in April that I looked at …
The very last row in the outfield corners (127/128) = $90 + Fees
That’s right, you cannot sit in any lower level seat anywhere between the outfield corners for less than $100 (including fees).. Does it make sense for the team with one of the the worst attendances (less than 10K per game) in MLB to charge those kind of prices???
I don’t trust anything Stu says, not one word.
baseballpurist
The Rays have been there long enough and have had enough success to warrant selling out their games, or getting close. But nobody wants to come. That has more to do with the wide variety of activities that can be engaged in that part of the state than anything else. It’s the same with the Marlins. I know. I used to live there. I would much rather spend my day fishing offshore or hanging out on the beach than sitting inside an awful stadium for three hours on a beautiful day. It is what it is and it will always be that way. The Rays, though, are a prime example of why my main issue with the CBA is tanking and misuse of revenue sharing. I don’t care that the Rays have been competitive over the last few years. I don’t like how they refuse to reward top talent and instead trade them away for prospects to start the whole thing over again. Franco is a red herring.
I don’t like owners like Sternberg and some of the others in the league. They’re bad for baseball. The best thing that can happen is for those types of teams to be forced to spend all of their revenue sharing on salaries and upgrades to the franchise, not line their pockets on the success of other teams while doing nothing but pocketing that money for their own profit.
Fever Pitch Guy
Success is not the only factor in deciding whether or not to attend games.
Fans become enamored with certain players, nothing irritates fans more than following players from the minors to ML success and then seeing them traded or leaving via free agency shortly after they become a star. A team loses it’s identity with constantly changing players. The Rays really haven’t had a franchise icon since Longoria was traded, hopefully they hold onto Wander for at least 10 years.
Other factors in fan attendance includes limiting fan options such as card-only method of payment, and having by far the worst rated food service in MLB, and charging ridiculously high prices. When you can’t sit lower level between the outfield corners for less than $100 a ticket for many games, you’re gonna tick off a lot of fans who simply refuse to pay that kind of money.