Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association have scheduled their next meeting for Saturday, reports Evan Drellich of the Athletic (Twitter links). Jon Heyman of the MLB Network tweets that the league is expected to make its next proposal involving core economics.
The parties have been in a holding pattern for over a week. The union put forth its latest proposal on February 1, offering small changes to the bonus pool framework for pre-arbitration players and draft pick incentives for teams to break camp with their top prospects. It was expected at the time that the league would make a counterproposal. Instead, MLB put forth a request for federal mediation, which the union predictably declined the next day.
Since the MLBPA refused mediation last Friday, there’s been no negotiations between the two sides. Various players expressed their desire to return to the table — indeed, a common reason cited by the union for refusing mediation is the amount of time it’d take for a third party to get up to speed on the issues at hand — but it has been MLB’s turn to make the next offer. The league’s owners and top brass have been in contact for quarterly owners’ meetings running this week, but no sit-down with the MLBPA was scheduled until tonight.
The owners’ meetings conclude tomorrow, and it’s widely expected Commissioner Rob Manfred will formally announce a delay to the start of Spring Training. That’d be little more than a formality at this point, since there’s no chance of a deal being agreed upon in time for pitchers and catchers to report next week, as had been originally scheduled.
The date of greater import is March 31, the scheduled start of the regular season. Both Heyman and Jared Diamond of the Wall Street Journal (on Twitter) hear that the parties continue to hold out hope for Opening Day to remain on schedule or to incur only a minor delay. That’d require rapid progress in talks over the coming weeks. It is generally believed a new collective bargaining agreement would need to be in place within the first few days of March for the regular season to remain on schedule.
Dustyslambchops23
Take your time fellas
48-team MLB
Opening Day: September 15th
First Wild Card Game: October 3rd
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I’m willing to bet it will be very similar to the last offer. Maybe very slightly better for the players in some tiny way. Then the players will counter the exact same way. Let some of the regular season go. At this point I don’t care. Just fix it in a way that makes sure we never have to go through this again. At this pace we are going to have to go through this every fifth year.
afsooner02
We’re going through this again….as long as you have players, owners, money and unions involved.
The Natural
Owners quit diddling around and make some decent concessions.
Dexxter
The only way we don’t go through this again is if we get a hard salary cap tied to league revenue like every other major sports league in North America.
That’s definitely not happening though so…
Brian 38
@Dexxter – Agreed.
For Love of the Game
48, are you thinking of Fall Madness modeled after NCAA basketball???
MarlinsFanBase
Marlins win NL East with 15-11 record and tie-breaker. Beat Orioles in 7 games for the World Series championship.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Orioles over Pirates would be better.
48-team MLB
@MarlinsFanBase
26 games in 18 days with no days off?
Dustyslambchops23
They’ll be well rested
MarlinsFanBase
We still win the NL East with 9-6 and the tiebreaker. And win the World Series, but against the Guardians this time.
davidk1979
Manfredo sucks
48-team MLB
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LordD99
The owners have dragged this out forever.
Hello, Newman
I’m done taking sides. I’ll support the players and owners who want to play. And those who don’t, that’s their right.
Maybe it’s time to go to an open shop, MLB & MLBPA and let the individual decide.
48-team MLB
Newman would settle this very quickly.
“We will cut the bike down the middle and give half to each of you.”
Hello, Newman
Haha, love that one
giantsfan1976 2
That’s actually from the Bible. Solomon suggested cutting a baby in half since two women were fighting over him. Probably a bluff. Probably. Also, manfred is no Solomon. He’s not even Newman.
Redwolves3
Players don’t start “whining” when you suddenly get traded, aren’t traded to a desired team, losing playing time sitting behind an established player, having trouble getting visa’s approved, free agents aren’t signed quickly, having to get into playing shape quicker than desired, and families are suddenly disrupted by changing cities (from one coast to another coast).
Hello, Newman
Like anyone else.. I would suggest seeking other vocation; if it’s that troublesome. Is it no longer a opportunity, they are fortunate enough to have?
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – They haven’t even gotten close to forever yet. Owners will drag this into May I say.
Patience is a virtue, right?
Al Hirschen
Manturd
Fred Park
Careful when you mess with names, Al Hirschen, I felt a cold chill from that one.
Al Hirschen
gbs42
Fred, completely understandable. Turd Park sounds very unappealing.
sfes
Though Turd Hirschen or Al Hirschenturd actually sound pretty fantastic!
Motown is My Town
I’m not expecting any worthwhile proposal being put forward by the owners. Likely the same old position they’ve been holding onto all along with maybe a slight increase to the luxury cap to $216M. Looks like the goat rodeo will continue for the foreseeable future. UGH!!!!
Javia135
The players last proposal decreased 1 of their many asks by $5 million. I would expect the owners to increase their offer on that 1 thing by $5 million. We should be playing by April. 2024.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I SUPPORT THE OWNERS.
SJKinMD
How much would you pay to watch the owners play?
For Love of the Game
Now that would be funny, except wouldn’t their wheelchairs be hard to push in the sand?
The_Voice_Of_REASON
I only watch highlights and go to Double A games, so the same amount I would pay to watch the MLBPeeA players.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
Bowie Baysox
AlvaroEspinoza 2
So why read and comment on MLB trade rumors?
lucas0622
“I only go to Double A games” you know that the owners you’re bent on supporting don’t even pay them livable wages?
The_Voice_Of_REASON
0-2 games per year.
The_Voice_Of_REASON
To help usher in sanity.
goob
@Fighters, the owners don’t wear them, so they really don’t need you. 😉
66TheNumberOfTheBest
“I SUPPORT THE OWNERS. I get down on my knees and…support…the owners!!! It is my privilege to lick every drop and eat every crumb they leave behind. Thank you, SIRS!!!!”
Thanks for taking time out of your day to inform us.
realistnotsucker
Your a clown seamen lol and so is anyone else that supports billionaire owners instead of supporting players that this game is built on and that we pay to see, I don’t go to a Yankees game and be like well I can’t wait to see Owner Hal Steinbrenner for 3 hours straight, but I see the fans that love owners go to the games for that reason
pirateking24
Don’t support the billionaires just the millionaires.
PitcherMeRolling
I’d much rather support millionaires who work incredibly hard to be the best in the world at their profession over billionaires who were born rich. Easy decision.
Brian 38
I would support the owners if they would push toward parity in the sport. And a hard salary cap has proven effective in other sports. The games small/mid-market teams have to play for the hope of a competitive window alienates fans. If owners see increased fan excitement (i.e. revenues) with increased competitiveness, then players will be paid more too.
PitcherMeRolling
The players will never agree to salary cap. Why would they? It just limits their wages.
gbs42
Brian 38, MLB has greater parity and a larger number of different champions in the last 15-20 years than the NFL, NBA, or NHL. Salary caps do not ensure parity.
PitcherMeRolling
And adding more teams to the playoffs will almost certainly create more parity in terms of WS titles.
Vizionaire
$11 mil bonus pool, 10 year minor league stay, 8 years before f/a, $180 mil threshold,
spring training starts in on time in in 2025!
Patrick OKennedy
The owners already proposed a $214M threshold, but with a 50% tax and draft penalties, and international draft penalties- and there isn’t even an international draft yet! They’re taking their sweet ass time, intentionally!
BlueGreatDane
Nothing like having a sense of urgency, Manclown.
PitcherMeRolling
Hopefully the owners start negotiating in good faith. But, I doubt it.
Javia135
The players dropped their last offer by $5 million. The owners will up their last offer by $5 million. That is good faith.
Skeptical
The players dropped their proposal by less than 5%, so the correct “in good faith” owner response would be to increase their proposal by less than 5% for 10.49 million.
As a life-long baseball fan, I am rooting for baseball, not the owners nor the players, but baseball. There is plenty of exciting baseball to watch other than MLB, often more exciting. If the MLB season is delayed, there will be other baseball to watch. Heading down to Tucson in a few weeks to watch UofA play.
smuzqwpdmx
If they keep doing that but start exchanging the offers every 5 minutes, we’ll have a quick solution.
PitcherMeRolling
That’s not what good faith means.
larry48
Owners and the Commissioner of MLB refuse to negotiate, all they say is that is non-negotiated able. I no longer. support owner. I now support the players.
goob
The players say any form of cap and floor (like other major sports leagues have) is non-negotiable. Clearly, the whole refuse-to-negotiate thing cuts both ways.
As a consumer of the product, I just can’t see picking a side in their self-interested squabbles.
The Natural
Owners quit diddling around and make some decent concessions.
lucas0622
Players have already made some concessions. The lockout won’t end until the owners do the same
mike156
Owners think time is on their side, and this time, they might really crack the union, something they’ve never been able to do. They’ve been offering significantly less than the beginning. It’s not going to change now.
baseballlover6363
How come we can’t talk about certain things on this site but can about others? Feels very unfair to me
gwell55
Because trevor won while the MSM & the baseball writers lost more credibility again is my guess
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Did the MSM and baseball writers have an open criminal investigation into him until literally just two days ago or was it LA area police?
Or maybe it was all a hoax and those supposed “cops” were really crisis actors, maybe, huh? The district attorney was probably just a hologram beamed in from an Italian satellite. As always.
jaysfansince1977
In reality, it is because the readers on this site chose it. Last year MLB Trade Rumors did a poll of readers, asking what type of articles they wanted to have “No Comments” on, It was a majority of the readers that chose which article were worth having “Comments” on.to avoid having the name calling and political, morale views from over riding common sense discussion.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@Jays Correct. We, the users, were given ample opportunities to have civil discussions and respect opposing viewpoints but it nevertheless devolves into a toxic dumpster fire.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@YBC. It doesn’t matter what MLBTR does with the comments as long as they don’t ban users by IP address. I’ve seen some pretty horrible stuff by people over the years here who just change emails and continue on. But in the end it’s up to myself to ignore it or feed the fire. I’ve decided to not mute anyone on here as I’m a adult. Honestly the part I miss most is the downvote option on here.
Fever Pitch Guy
Fred – Why do you consider muting to be childish? I haven’t muted many, maybe only about a three, the way I look at it is why bother wasting time reading garbage? I was being stalked for a while and there was no way I would give them the attention they were seeking.
Lloyd Emerson
At times like this I almost wish I was a casual fan. But I’m not, I love baseball. And I’m really frustrated. I don’t think the owners care if there is an entire season lost. I think the players want to play. I think the owners want to play hardball without the players. And I’m tired of this crap. I’m tired of major league baseball being a legal monopoly so the owners can hide behind a stooge. Rob Manfred may be a broken tool who doesn’t even like baseball, but if it wasn’t him, it would be some other broken tool.
To Liberty Media, give Freddie Freeman his sixth year. And to all the other owners who aren’t required to show their books, share the wealth a little bit better. How is that so damn difficult?
realistnotsucker
Because we have a lot of cheap billionaire owners who use the term small market as an excuse to act like the way they are, they 20-30 years ago I’d understand there POV, but today some of the owners in less populated areas have more money than the ones in bigger populated areas
stymeedone
@suckernotrealist
Again, it not the net worth of the owner that dictates payroll. Its the revenue stream of the business. It is not a hobby to the owner. No one would be interested in buying a business that they knew would lose money. Fans won’t pay to see the owners play, but how many players would be out there if they weren’t getting a paycheck?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Of course the players want to play since most have short career windows. I didn’t want to take sides because I understand how business negotiations tend to go but the owners seem to be standing ground firmly. How about you guys individually addressing the fans that you’re working diligently to resolve this labor dispute and pretending to care? Nope. Everything goes through Manfred.
I’ve already cancelled my MLB.tv renewal sub and will probably only stream Yankees games under my folks’ cable account next season.
elmedius
It’s cool guys. I needed to save some money this year anyways… or maybe it’s time for me to go all in on hockey?
Javia135
Neither side is listening. Neither are fans. Everyone is talking angry and nobody is listening. This is going nowhere.
I’m already fearing all the upcoming injuries due to whatever ultra-short spring training we may get for the upcoming 2020 length season.
prov356
Upcoming injuries? The players aren’t banned from working out and playing catch and stuff. They will be fine. And if they’re not going through their pre-season conditioning routine, shame on them.
Deleted Userr
Surprised Pads Fans hasn’t posted the same comment slamming the owners 50 times from 3 different accounts yet.
SJKinMD
I think they should be able to find some middle ground on the funding for a bonus pool for non -arb eligible players and on a reasonable increase to minimum salaries. The big questions are (1) will the owners drop the draft pick penalties for exceeding the CBT (which I think is a bigger issue than the setting of the threshold or the tax for exceeding), and (2) can they find a solution to the issue of small market/low revenue teams not spending the revenue sharing money they get, which will probably require some combination of a draft lottery and penalties if they don’t spend the money on payroll and don’t finish .500 or better.
There’s a deal here to be made. There are probably a few hardline owners who have been holding this up. Manfred has to reign them in before he can get something done. This is a test of his ability to lead, rather than just kowtow to greedy billionaires who don’t like unions and don’t want to share a dime.(not saying this applies to all of the owners, but I’m sure it applies to some).
Phillies2008WFC
Here is how you solve the “pocketing revenue sharing $$$” problem….
Since the world knows the following information at the conclusion of every season :
1) Every teams year-end payroll figure.
2) Every team and amount that they receive in revenue sharing.
Simply, require the owners (because the players have nothing to do with sharing the money BETWEEN owners) to spend an additional 75% of the revenue sharing money on TOP of their prior season’s final payroll figure.
If Team X spends 70 million on payroll in 2022, and they receive 40 million in revenue sharing at the end of 2022, that team MUST spend 100 million on payroll in 2023. Failure to do so will result in a VERY STIFF PENALTY, up to and including loss of a large chunk of revenue sharing in the following season.
To me, this should be a very simple fix, that solves several problems. The “tanking” issue, an increase in player salaries, and others.
tstats
I like the idea but 75% will be too high and the salary will shoot up really quickly and probably too much. Make it 50% of Revenue Sharing.
Patrick OKennedy
All of the NET revenue sharing transfer dollars should be spent on player salaries.
8 teams had 26 man payrolls under $50 million in 2021
13 teams under $60 million
18 teams under $100 million
When they get revenue sharing and don’t spend it on players, they are not improving their teams, cheating their fans, and just pocketing more profits.
It’s a huge issue and the players are proposing nothing to really address it.
Brian 38
I understand you’re just tossing a number out there as an example. But what does spending $100m one year do for parity in the sport? I think it would do nothing in the long-term. And very little in the short-term. The average payroll in 2021 was $127m. Only 2 of the 10 playoff teams were under the average (also happened to be under $100m). 1 of the teams (TB) is in perpetual trade mode and are looking for a new home because fans haven’t connected. Forcing teams like them to spend 75% could upset the delicate financial apple cart. Some teams make less in total revenues than others spend in player payroll. 3 of the top 4 payrolls were in the playoffs. Payroll size matters. It’s not determinant, but there’s definitely a positive correlation.
A hard salary cap for long term parity would increase payroll across the league as owners would spend to be chase wins to engage fans. Today’s game is about the hope for a window for small/mid-markets.
Patrick OKennedy
If every team was required to spend $100 million on player salaries, teams would sign more players eligible for free agency, keep more players eligible for arbitration and extend more players earning minimum salary to multi year deals. It would accomplish exactly what the players’ stated goal is, which is something that none of their other proposals do.
A hard salary cap would put more profits into the pockets of the wealthiest owners
All this narrative about integrity and competitive balance is just code for “we want a greater share of the revenue”. It’s not about good of the game, but if cheaper owners were forced to spend, it would have the effect of making their teams more competitive in most cases.
And hey- they don’t HAVE to take the money. They can leave it on the table.
Patrick OKennedy
The owners are just stalling- and that’s the optimistic view. It’s just a negotiating strategy, but they’re putting us all through this. They just want to run out the clock on negotiations without making too many concessions to players. We’ve seen this movie before, and sometimes it works for them.
MLB refused to make an offer to players in December unless they withdrew key proposals regarding free agency, arbitration, and revenue sharing. Then MLB declared a lockout and a freeze on all transactions, claiming it would “spur negotiations. Then, they didn’t make a proposal for over six weeks.
The players made their first proposal in May. Owners waited until August to reply, and haven’t made another comprehensive proposal since then.
MLB said they would respond to players proposal in two days, then did not and requested mediation instead. They still haven’t responded.
MLB proposes increasing CBT thresholds by less than 1% per season, and increasing tax rate on the lowest tier from 20% to 50%, and penalizing draft picks and international picks.
MLB proposes converting the minimum salary to also a maximum, even if a team wants to pay a younger player more for good performance.
MLB proposes $10 million bonus pool spread over 500 players with under 3 years service, and a three team draft lottery. Nothing at all to address teams receiving more revenue sharing than their entire payrolls, making no effort to compete. Nothing to address service time manipulation.
So hopefully, the owners are just stalling with these draconian taxes for teams who dare to pay players “too much” money. They’re stalling, not trying to negotiate, and putting the season at risk.
Phillies2008WFC
Here is how you solve the “pocketing revenue sharing $$$” problem….
Since the world knows the following information at the conclusion of every season :
1) Every teams year-end payroll figure.
2) Every team and amount that they receive in revenue sharing.
Simply, require the owners (because the players have nothing to do with sharing the money BETWEEN owners) to spend an additional 75% of the revenue sharing money on TOP of their prior season’s final payroll figure.
If Team X spends 70 million on payroll in 2022, and they receive 40 million in revenue sharing at the end of 2022, that team MUST spend 100 million on payroll in 2023. Failure to do so will result in a VERY STIFF PENALTY, up to and including loss of a large chunk of revenue sharing in the following season.
To me, this should be a very simple fix, that solves several problems. The “tanking” issue, an increase in player salaries, and others.
Yankee Clipper
Good suggestion, but the only way to truly resolve tanking is to stop rewarding teams that lose. Take your first suggestion & combine it with removing reward for losing teams and it’s a fantastic start. I don’t believe the owners would go for it because it’s precisely what they’re standing against – spending more money!
Phillies2008WFC
I agree that it won’t “eliminate” tanking. But what it will do, is make those revenue sharing receiving teams spend more money on better (more proven) players. Look at a team like Miami. If they got 24 million and HAD to spend 18 addirional on payroll, then instead of signing a journeyman type for 1 million, they would be forced to acquire better talent. Its those older players, mid tier type guys who are now being shut out. It’s a win-win for both sides. Better onfield product, should promote more team revenue, decreasing their “share” of revenue by supporting more of themselves.
Phillies2008WFC
I agree that it won’t “eliminate” tanking. But what it will do, is make those revenue sharing receiving teams spend more money on better (more proven) players. Look at a team like Miami. If they got 24 million and HAD to spend 18 additional on payroll, then instead of signing a journeyman type for 1 million, they would be forced to acquire better talent. Its those older players, mid tier type guys who are now being shut out. It’s a win-win for both sides. Better onfield product, should promote more team revenue, decreasing their “share” of revenue by supporting more of themselves.
Skeptical
Of course, “tanking” has been a successful way of building a competitive team and actually winning a World Series. Two recent examples are the Chicago Cubs and the Houston Astros. Cubs had five consecutive last place finishes followed by five winning seasons, one WS championship, and three first place finishes. Houston had six consecutive losing season before five consecutive winning seasons, one losing season (2020) and another winning season.
ohyeadam
Trashtros can’t be used an example as their success didn’t come from tanking their success stems from trash cans and low character
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@oh. Don’t forget the alleged mastermind in ringleader was Carlos Beltran who will be due for getting his 1st go round on the HOF ballot late this year and we will know the results this time next year. If Schilling who was never tied to PED’s at all and is shut out solely on his political views I’m VERY interested how the BBWAA responds to Beltran. BTW this time next year the Today’s Game Committee will have already gone over Schilling’s/ Lofton’s/ McGriff’s cases as well as Binds and Clemens/Sosa and I expect the PED guys to be shut out. Get on eBay or your local sports card shop and buy your Schilling/Lofton/McGriff rookie cards!
Patrick OKennedy
Not really. I suppose it matters what your definition of “tanking” is. You don’t see the players using that term. They talk about “integrity of the game”, meaning that certain teams don’t bother to spend money to improve their teams.
The idea that losing games to stock up on higher draft picks is a successful strategy is just wrong. The idea that teams stop spending to get draft picks is way off base. Owners refuse to spend because they want to keep more of their revenue- and other teams’ revenue, and because it doesn’t really pay them financially to win.
The benefits of a higher draft pick in baseball is very marginal. There is some between the first three overall picks, and then almost none after that.
The Cubs were a bad franchise, changed management, and built a team from a couple of high picks, more lower picks, several trades and free agents.
The Astros actually went bankrupt, changed ownership, got multiple high picks that paid off (and some that didn’t) and built around that core. But they are the extreme exception. It’s not like they were successful, then tanked to get picks. They were at the bottom and built it up.
Anyway, the players are concerned about teams not spending. Sure they don’t want them to be rewarded, but the idea that a draft lottery will make them spend is way off base. And the Cubs and Astros are not the model of cheap small market teams not spending. They are net revenue sharing payors.
stymeedone
@yankee Clipper
The owners don’t want it because compensating (its not a reward) teams low in the standings with higher draft picks is what helps maintain competitive balance. Otherwise it a “The beatings will continue until morale improves” scenario. As for the CBT, moving it only benefits the 5 or so teams that even factor it into their calculation of payroll. Most teams are calculating payroll off revenue, and CBT isn’t a factor because it beyond their level. If the Yankees and Dodgers are allowed to spend more, that puts teams like Cinci and TB at even greater disadvantage. But maybe Correa will get his $30MM per.
Yankee Clipper
Manfred has a great opportunity with the opportunity to address the public and players directly; to reinforce the owners’ desire & support for the game, it’s fans, and a resolution. I ah e a feeling he will use it to double-down on their position, however, offending nearly everyone but the owners with a detached, callous response that shows a distinct lack of empathy.
stymeedone
Its hard to have empathy for people with a minimum wage of HALF A MILLION, crying poor because their raise should be bigger.
Dogs
I hope the players deny the owners an extended Play Off this year if the season does not start on time. If the players must loose pay, so shall the owners.
I hope after the owners quarterly meeting this week we start to see some Good Faith Bargaining.
kenphelps44
Core economics. Great idea! For starters, how about in a good faith effort with the owners open their books?
Javia135
Getting the owner’s books is about as likely as getting the REAL financial records of every member of Congress: it should happen but it never, never will.
Dogs
I was hoping to go to Florida for a couple Spring Training Games. I have never been to one & my wife has only made it to 1 regular season game in her life. Maybe next year now.
I guess its time for me to start focusing on my Maple Syrup Season now. The Sap will start running in about 4 to 6 weeks from now here in Northern Michigan. Then I will be cooking for 4 weeks on my days off from my real job.
I will miss Baseball but life must go on.
Dogs
If this is true, why would we need to open the owner’s books? They already did that for us.
So how does revenue sharing work?
Teams presently contribute 48 percent of all local revenues, including gate receipts, local TV revenue, concessions, parking, sponsorships, etc, and the funds are then divided equally among all 30 teams. Part of the rationale is that it takes two teams to put on a game, so both teams should share in the revenue generated by those games.
As a result, in 2018, each team received $118 million from this fund, according to baseball_reference with larger market teams putting in more and smaller market teams less. About half of teams are net recipients and the other half net payees. Teams also receive a share of national revenues, which were estimated to be $91 million per club in 2018, and they still have kept 52 percent of their own local revenues.
So $118,000,000×30=$3,540,000,000 & this is just 48% of the total revenue.
so $3,540,000,000÷ .52=$6,807,692,308
$3,540,000,000+$6,807,692,308=$10,347,692,308
The 30 teams had a total Local revenue of $10,347,692,308 in 2018 and yes that equals Trillions of Dollars.
National Revenues were estimated at another $91,000,000 per team =$2,730,000,000
Add the local ^ National for a grand total of $10,347,692,308+$2,730,000,000=$13,007,692,308
$13,007,692,308 Grand Total Revenue in 2018 Again that is over 13 Trillion Dollars
Dogs
We may not know the exact amount of revenue for each team but it equals this
$118,000,000+$91,000,000=$209,000,000+52% of their total Local Revenue
It would be safe to say in 2018 the lowest of the total revenue would be in excess of $265,000,000 for a single team. I would think closer to $275M
smuzqwpdmx
Seriously, did nobody teach you the difference between billions and trillions? It’s a big, big difference. 13 trilllion is more than the federal government spends, heh.
Dogs
Thank You, You are correct, I was very tired as I was working on this.
beknighted
Dear Dwayne Johnson,
In the highly unlikely event that you’re reading this, I would greatly welcome a baseball equivalent of the XFL.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The owners are very clearly just dragging their feet until the 11th hour in the belief that the players will just cave. At that point, one of two things will happen…
1) The players will cave and the season will start.
2) The owners will have misjudged and the players won’t cave and the season will be at risk. I’m not sure anyone really has a plan for what would happen after that.
Dexxter
This is exactly right.
The owners are all multibillionaires. And the MLB team they own didn’t make them rich. They were obscenely wealthy before they bought the team… and will be obscenely wealthy whether they play this season or not.
The majority of the players are arb and pre arb guys. They’re certainly doing well… but most have only a few years to earn life changing money. Not earning this money for a year is way more impactful for them.
Union negotiations in any workplace rarely result in an improvement for the union for this reason.
tigerdoc616
Actually no, they are not all multi billionaires. At least two are not even billionaires.
realistnotsucker
All mlb owners are billionaires but use the excuse small market to justify acting the way they do, funny how Cleveland Cavaliers had one of the top payrolls even after LeBron left, but we see the Indians guardians acting the exact opposite cheap
jsaldi
As a baseball fan I am disgusted. The amount of true fans are dwindling how many more you going to lose before no one cares. Salaries are crazy owners are greedy.
tigerdoc616
Not holding my breath. I will shocked if this proposal is a serious one by the owners.
Patrick OKennedy
Two proposals that the owners have on the table are complete non starters that the players never will agree to- nor should they.
1. Their CBT proposals to increase the lowest threshold by less than one percent per season, from $210M to just $214M then up to $220M over five seasons, and the taxes going up from 20 percent to 50 percent in the first tier, with draft penalties on top of that. The players want lesser restrictions.
2. Converting the minimum salary to a fixed/ maximum salary for players not yet eligible for arbitration. That’s just absurd. There has never been an individual cap on salaries since they started collective bargaining.
Those need to go away, then most of the rest is splitting numbers and percentages.
Unfortunately, nothing being proposed will reduce service time manipulation or cheap owners not spending even revenue sharing dollars. The players should be demanding that revenue sharing recipients spend those dollars on player salaries, and don’t let go of that issue. It’s embarrassing to those owners, and they should be called out on it.
Rick Pernell
Like cogs or an idiot wheel so are the MLB days with Rob Manfred.
RetroBeers
I’ve been hate watching this soap opera called Millionaires vs. Billionaires. Nothing really ever happens. They said the same thing about Seinfeld, but that was a fun sort of nothing. This is not a fun nothing.
Bob333
WHO CARES OWNERS PLAYERS CAN ALL EAT S__T AND DIE GREEDY BAST___S.
stymeedone
Suggestion to the union: get a raise for your members. Revenue sharing is a big enough issue for the big and small market teams without the players getting involved with it. Changing the CBT level only effects a few teams (biggest markets) and will effect competitive balance negatively, making a greater disparity between the haves and the have nots. Pay more attention to the new members, who need their issues prioritized, and stop worrying about the few at the top of the market, because $30MM per yr vs $40MM isn’t effecting that players lifestyle one bit. Admit to the public that you are well compensated for only working 2/3 of the year. And realize that if the season goes down, you permanently damage the industry, chase away fans, AND DONT GET PAID.
brucenewton
Two-tiered league seems to be the goal.
baseballguy_128
I hope Manfred gets Manfried
Not impressed
The owners shouldn’t be able to control a player for 15 years.
2 years to arbitration, 5 years to free agency. START THERE!