Whenever the lockout ends, transactions — both on the trade and free agent fronts — figure to pile up in a hurry. Among the likelier names to change hands is star Oakland first baseman Matt Olson, who has been the subject of rumors for several months. That’s only natural after A’s GM David Forst plainly acknowledged that the team has reached a point in its “cycle” where they’ll need to be open to moving established players (though the writing had already been on the wall for some time before that).
The Yankees have been frequently reported as an interested suitor for Olson, and prior to the lockout, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News wrote that the Rangers had “already begun investigating” what an Olson acquisition might cost them. Whatever exactly occurred in those pre-lockout talks seemingly wasn’t a huge deterrent, as Grant writes this week that Texas will “absolutely” circle back with the A’s to see if there’s a potential fit.
Perhaps of greater intrigue to fans, however, is that Grant suggests an Olson package would require, at minimum, current big league first baseman Nathaniel Lowe, plus of the organization’s top prospects and a pair of other mid-tier names from down on the farm. As one might expect, it’s a rather broad and subjective set of parameters. Josh Jung and Justin Foscue are both “top prospects” for the Rangers, for instance, but Jung’s value is considerably higher at the moment. It’s hard to see the Rangers parting with Jung, who’s expected to debut in 2022, or either of the top pitching prospects in the system (2021 No. 2 overall pick Jack Leiter and 2018 first-rounder Cole Winn).
Regardless of specific permutations on the prospect side of things, a package headlined by Lowe and two or even three intriguing farmhands would figure to be appealing to A’s brass. Lowe, 26, isn’t on the same level as Olson offensively or defensively, but he’s been an above-average hitter in the big leagues and is controlled another five seasons. He’ll likely be a Super Two player (assuming Super Two designation remains unchanged in current labor talks), thus putting him on a path to arbitration eligibility next offseason. Lowe’s first two or even three arbitration salaries should be relatively affordable, however.
Texas acquired Lowe in a Dec. 2020 trade that sent four prospects to the Rays, and he responded with a solid first year at the plate in his new environs. Through 642 plate appearances, Lowe slashed .264/.357/.415 with 18 home runs, 24 doubles, three triples, eight stolen bases (in eight attempts) and a hearty 12.5% walk rate. Lowe had fanned in 31.8% of his first 245 trips to the plate in Tampa Bay, but he dropped that number to a more manageable 25.8% in Texas. Defensively, he put up sub-par marks in Defensive Runs Saved (-3), Ultimate Zone Rating (-4.2) and Outs Above Average (-3). Scouting reports from Lowe’s prospect days pegged him as a solid defender at first base, however, so there’s likely some room for improvement.
Notably, Grant adds that if Olson isn’t acquired, first base isn’t likely to be a priority for the Rangers. A pursuit of Olson, then, seemingly isn’t about being dissatisfied with the work Lowe has put in, but rather about jumping at the opportunity to grab an elite player with multiple years of club control remaining.
While there’s no guarantee Olson is ultimately moved, it’s an interesting look at a potential framework for a swap. The A’s have, historically speaking, tended to prefer returns that included immediate help for the big league roster when dealing away star players. Lowe would certainly fall under that umbrella, and some immediate production from him could help to soften the blow of losing Olson.
Olson, 28 next month, has emerged as one of the premier first basemen in the game over the past few years, with his 2021 season in particular towering above the rest of the league. In 673 plate appearances, Olson batted .271/.371/.540 (146 wRC+) with 39 home runs, 35 doubles and standout defense at first base. He dramatically reduced his strikeout rate, cutting it from 26.1% (2016-20) all the way to 16.8% — and he did so without sacrificing any of his plate discipline. To the contrary, Olson’s walk rate jumped from 10.8% in 2016-20 to 13.1% this past season.
Trading a player of this caliber is a tough pill for the A’s to swallow but also, as Forst alluded to, a familiar process in the Oakland front office. Olson is due his second arbitration raise once the lockout ends, and MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects that he’ll jump from $5MM to $12MM for the 2022 season. Add in a third and final arbitration raise in 2023, and Olson figures to cost upwards of $30MM over the next two seasons combined.
That’s a bargain rate for most clubs, but for a perennially low-payroll A’s team that has seen its best players reach the late stages of arbitration simultaneously, it’s a problematic scenario. Olson, Matt Chapman, Sean Manaea, Chris Bassitt and Frankie Montas are projected to combine for $45.7MM alone; the A’s payroll is set to rise to its second- or third-highest mark ever in 2022 before the team even makes a single addition.
Trading Olson within the division may not be preferable for the A’s, but longtime baseball ops boss Billy Beane and Forst have never shied away from intra-division swaps. Texas and Oakland lined up on a deal just last offseason, swapping out Elvis Andrus and Khris Davis in a financially-motivated arrangement. A year prior, Texas and Oakland matched up in a Mike Minor swap, and the two teams also struck an accord in the 2019-20 offseason when Jurickson Profar went from Texas to Oakland as part of a three-team trade. Suffice it to say, Beane and Rangers president of baseball operations Jon Daniels are comfortable trading within the division, although moving a star of Olson’s caliber perhaps changes that calculus a bit.
If the Rangers were to ultimately pry Olson loose from their divisional foe, one would have to imagine they’d take a run at signing him to a long-term extension. They still have a ways to go before stepping back into the AL West running and aren’t yet expected to contend in 2022, so losing any trade acquisition after just two seasons could be deemed counterproductive. That’s putting the cart well before the horse, however, as Texas will face competition from several other clubs in trying to put together the best offer for Olson. Beyond the Yankees, Olson has been reported as a target for the Braves, should Freddie Freeman sign elsewhere. Others yet will view the situation similarly to the Rangers, feeling that while first base isn’t a dire need, Olson himself is so appealing that he’s worth moving some other pieces around to fit into the puzzle.
Camden453
Trades are usually always a bad idea. Why trade when you can sign a free agent?
You’re not losing any organizational depth by signing free agents. Always only add. 3 for 1 trades are subtracting
You might say well we got a star player for three prospects that didn’t pan out. But you’re still weakening minor league teams
Especially deadline trades. Giving up a top prospect for two months of a player. Even if they put up MVP numbers for the two months you’re only gaining 1 or 2 more wins
stevecohenMVP
That’s simply not true. There have been trades that have worked out throughout history. Signing a free agent also doesn’t always work out and you waste a roster spot and money. I think trades can be beneficial for both sides if you don’t have Brodie Van Wagenen or the such as your GM.
Camden453
It only makes sense if you trade for that one player that puts you over the top and gets you the final piece in the playoffs
I’ve done thousands of simulations with OOTP and the one thing I saw is that 1 or 2 trades don’t really make any difference at all in the outcome. You gain 2 or 3 wins maybe, some times you end up losing more
Adding for example a 128 OPS+ bat to the lineup doesn’t make much of a difference at all in the win column
So what I’m saying is even if the prospects don’t work out you’re still losing because you’re losing organizational depth
HEHEHATE
OOTP is the best baseball game ever created period. It’s single handedly made me forget about baseball and gotten me through both of these lockouts.
Camden453
In other words, a 100 OPS+ free agent vs a 128 OPS+ season from a player you get in a trade doesn’t give you any significant upgrade in the win column
Camden453
I understand more about GMing, probably, from playing OOTP than real baseball GMs understand. I sit back and say ‘you’re doing it all wrong’ when I see many GMs making bad moves I know from the simulations won’t work. And that all comes from playing OOTP so much
But there’s more to real GMing. It’s obviously much harder in real life than just plugging things into a simulation
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
You gotta love it when you draft a guy like Lieter just a few months ago and he’s already one of the top two prospects in your organization.
rememberthecoop
He has the talent and pedigree such that he would have been one of the top prospects in most organizations.
Bruin1012
Camden it’s far more complicated then that. I will admit that I have never played OOTP but I’m guessing it doesn’t realistically address the value of defense it’s probably pretty good at evaluating offense. The one thing that I guarantee it doesn’t do is evaluate the organization as a whole.
Trades are done for a myriad of reasons one team may be trading established vets to add young prospect talent to open a window of competition down the road. An org may have had trouble developing a catcher and may be need to trade assets to fill that important hole. The point I’m trying to make is that simply plugging something into a game and seeing what it spits out isn’t seeing the whole picture and unless you can evaluate from an organizations viewpoint then you really don’t know the whole story. There is no way that a game can that effectively.
Camden453
Well Bruin, you’ve got to play OOTP. It addresses defense. There are many defensive ratings. Adding better defensive players has a noticeable effect on hits given up, runs, ERA
And it isn’t just a simple algorithm. A lot of thought goes into getting it right. There are pecota formulas built into the game and many other things. It’s a very accurate simulation
CCCTL
“I understand more about GMing, probably, from playing OOTP than real baseball GMs understand.”
Couldn’t stop laughing for about five minutes.
rememberthecoop
Yeah that has to be one of the craziest things I’ve read in quite awhile.
mrranger
LOL. If you “claim to be a better “GM” than throw your hat in the ring. We’ll all sit back and laugh.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
@Camden: You do realize that PECOTA predicted the Braves to finish in 4th place in their division last season, right? They also had the Nationals finishing multiple spots ahead of them. Instead, the Nationals were a last place team and the “4th place Braves” won it all. That crap isn’t “accurate” at all.
I think we have a case of a adolescent here. I think Camden is probably pretty smart for his age but he knows what he knows and thinks that’s everything. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s smarter than some GM’s but that’s only because I think some GM’s are pretty stupid. There are definitely some GM’s who make moves that make us all groan and say “Why is he doing this?” and then we all watch it blow up in their face. That being said… This Camden kid is way too overconfident in what OOTP can teach him. He probably doesn’t know any better though because he never learned anything outside of OOTP and so he thinks is covers everything. He also doesn’t realize that he gets to start from scratch on OOTP and no other GM on the planet has that option. They are all stuck with the crap left over and poor draft picks from the fired GM before them. No GM has ever walked into a clean slate with 100% of the payroll available to them, no long term bad contracts already on the team and the option to draft your own players from top to bottom right away even though they have already been drafted by other teams. OOTP allows that kind of crap.
holecamels35
Simulations literally mean nothing though lol
There’s still a lot of random variance and chemistry that goes into how teams perform, like people who think win percentage in football games mean anything, one bad play and a team can come back. Momentum exists.
Camden453
CCCTL, if you did 10,000 realistic flight simulations and another person didn’t do any, who do you think would be better at flying a plane?
Or, if 30 soldiers did a war simulation in a field 100 times, and other soldiers didn’t do any, who would be better at it when actual war started?
stevecohenMVP
Camden, simulations mean nothing when you’re put in real life scenarios. The human experience changes reactions and output.
amk1920
They’ve already spent half a billion on free agents.
RunDMC
Considering trades made at the 2021 Deadline almost wholly brought the WS trophy to ATL (via Soler, Rosario, Duvall, Joc Pederson a few weeks before Deadline) — seems like it’s already been forgotten.
Sure, a bad trade can thin the farm, but just like a bad trade can do damage, a bad signing can cost a comp pick (if signing someone rejecting a QO) while taking years to come back from. It only took a few months for some of 2021’s largest FA signings (Bauer, Ozuna) to look bad – and mostly because of off-the-field actions that still hasn’t been fully resolved. Ironically, LAD got past Bauer’s bad signing by a good trade (Scherzer rental, Turner for 1.5 years; which allowed Seager to chase $$$ in TEX).
Dorothy_Mantooth
Trades are an integral part of baseball and they are often times a good idea. I think back to the Red Sox / Astros trade quite a bit. Boston needed bullpen help so they wanted to trade for Larry Anderson. Houston wanted Scott Cooper in return but Boston refused to give him up as he was their #1 3B prospect at the time. Instead, they “settled” on Jeff Bagwell. Larry Anderson helped the Red Sox win the division that season. Scott Cooper flamed out for Boston while Bagwell went on to a Hall of Fame career in Houston. What this shows is that no one really knows what prospects will amount to in MLB. If you are a team competing for a playoff spot, you have to take chances. It’s just so hard to determine which prospects are untouchable vs. which ones you are willing to deal.
Bruin1012
This is why when fans make trade ideas they are usually not very good at putting those together because they forget they organizational view. It’s fun to look at MLB trade values and look at it from a pure value standpoint but it simply doesn’t look at from a macro organizational view and that’s what a really good GM does he evaluates the whole organization and makes appropriate for there organization. MLB trade is a good starting point to evaluate though and I think a lot of fans should look at it before making the obligatory out three guys we do t want and have very little value for your superstar. I think if people plugged in there trade proposals to get a baseline idea they will see how that trade is so far off base.
Deleted Userr
Because free agents cost more $ and there’s no guarantee the player will sign with you whereas with a trade he has no choice unless he has a NTC. It’s a trade off.
brucenewton
Free agents are generally older and have already had their best years.
JoeBrady
Camden453
Trades are usually always a bad idea. Why trade when you can sign a free agent?
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It’s not nearly that simple.
1-Why enter into a risky $180M/6 contract with Freeman when you might pay $20M+/2 for Olsen?
2-You don’t always have good options. I’d bet real money that KK out-performs Marte in CF on a WAR/$$$ basis. If TB kicks in $5M for KK and Philly gives up a 2nd tier prospect, I think Philly does much better than any of the current CF FAs available this year.
3-Guys like Olsen will cost real prospects, but a lot of trades can be made with a far lesser prospect cost. Does anyone even remember who the RS gave up for Schwarber?
Led Hoyer
Matt Olsen is a superstar controlled for 2 years at a very reasonable price. Where you going to find that in free agency?
Spare Tire Dixon
I would agree if not for the trades Atlanta made last year.
nmendoza7
No fit at all and they barely have pitching, no point
HEHEHATE
I don’t agree with the idea of selling yourself short. Teams need to have more faith in the prospects they have in their system before selling the farm. Jung is ready and should be one of the earlier call ups the season if things stay the same. Is olsen an upgrade over Jung and Kiner Falefa currently? Yes, but considering how much payroll they’ve added already this offseason and while barely addressing their pitching woes if at all the Rangers need to hit the trade market on the pitching side of the ball over offense if they have any chance of going toe to toe with the other contenders in the AL West.
rangers13
I am not a huge fan of an Olson trade, because of the prospect cost. Lowe is very serviceable and has a high ceiling I believe. I would rather keep Lowe, gather one As pitcher, and Castillo or Gray from Cincy. Then next off-season if the Rangers decide Lowe is not the answer the Rangers can bring home Josh Bell until they decide Huff is a better fit at 1B than at C. All that said Plan A should be to sign Kershaw and Suzuki and trade for Mahle and add a couple of relievers. Plan B would be to sign Greinke and Pineda, trade for Bassit, and add Schwarber via FA or Dom Smith or JD Davis in trade.
nmendoza7
This isn’t MLB the Show with force trades and infinite budgets, Texas has no farm depth and can’t develop either but ok
westex87
They have no depth? Might wanna actually read a bit about there farm, top ten farm now. Cmon man, have some substance behind your comments.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Dodgers, Braves and Yankees have better prospects to trade than Texas, unless Leiter is part of package.
Plus, Texas could use a couple starting pitchers from Oakland or Cincinnati more than they needed Olson, great as he is.
stymeedone
@mannybeing
It has nothing to do with which team has the most/best prospects. It has everything to do with what prospects a team is willing to trade. NYY may have better system, but if the top 5 are all untouchables, than maybe MLW, who may be willing to trade one of their top 3, may have the better offer, even with a weaker system.
knolln
rangers farm isn’t super top heavy but is quite deep. and they’re slowing pushing guys into the top 100 as well. don’t think they have to develop trade pieces. could trade for an a’s pitcher and castillo/mahle with ease. without trading jung or leiter. winn and/or foscue, probably would have to go. they signed two up the middle stars and when jung comes up, IKF, solak, foscue, duran, and josh smith will all be positionless and are in the MLB or mlb ready. that’s just middle infielders. dustin harris, sam huff, owen white, ricky vanasco, acuna, aj alexy all would garner lots of interest in trades.
dale123
Oh bs they have a top 10 farm system according to baseball America no depth my ass
pounder
Jason Dominguez and Antony Volpe (or one of the other prized SS’s) +,has been floated for Olson,Chapman,and Manea.
fivetwos
Other than certain fans minds…
Where?
HEHEHATE
Oakland has Pauson so i don’t see this happening. Trading a controllable potential superstar for a few rentals doesn’t solve the yankees problems even if they are reluctant to hand over the job to volpe or peraza (whose more of a 2b anyways.) Dominguez isn’t going anywhere considering how they value him long term I bet they’d pass on Vlad and Bichette for him honestly as crazy as that sounds. The yankees need to start building from within instead of buying from out. That’s why the Dodgers and Rays are making them look like laughing stocks with their bloated payroll and under production across the board.
rememberthecoop
I have not seen anything to suggest that Cashman is willing to move either of those guys. In fact, the scuttlebutt js that they think so highly of Volpe that it has prevented them from going after a big ticket FA shortstop.
Bruin1012
Well I did see a delusional Yankee fan on The Athletic site that thought they could get Olson, Murphy, and Manaea for Peraza and a couple lower tier guys. I countered and said if the Yankees wanted that haul it would cost Volpe, Dominguez, Gill, Voit, and more probably Gleyber. I also think the Yankees should do that trade it would make them the favorites to represent the Al in World Series. Can you imagine how many homers Olson would hit in Yankee stadium?
Eatdust666
Seems like some of the same garbage I see on Pinstripe Alley lmao.
brucenewton
Seems crazy steep for A ball prospects. High end prospects on the cusp of the bigs is probably more to the A’s liking.
Yankee Clipper
Actually, this multi-player deal was floated on a few internet articles (most recently by Jim Bowden of the Athletic in…November?) but there is no substance to it. Cashman has said that they don’t want to part with any of the top three (Volpe, Dominguez, Peraza), which they would have to in order to land Olson alone, in my opinion. They may be able to identify a deal without one of those three for Chapman, but if Olson is involved I just don’t see a deal coming to fruition.
People are getting most of these trades by relying too heavily on Baseball Trade Values numbers, but there’s so much more to trades than: “we give up $60M in player value and you give us $60M player value and we call it a deal”
JoeBrady
I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to part with Peraza or Dominguez, unless that’s just a negotiating ploy. If you think Volpe is your SS of the future, and I agree, then Peraza probably has more value as a trade chip. Unless you want to wait out Torres, and then DJ.
And I’m not sure that Dominguez is the hill upon which you want to plant your flag. I would overrate his bad year, but I wouldn’t ignore it either. If you can dramatically increase your chances over the next two years, after missing for 13 years, you might want to do so.
If I were the RS, I’d be willing to ask the As what they thought of Downs, Duran and Dalbec, for some combination of Olsen, Manaea, Bassit, Montas, Trivino. The RS prospects have some good value, but they aren’t crucial to our next 6 years.
Bruin1012
Honestly Yankee clipper I think some people who make trade proposals should look at MLB trade values just to get a base of course it’s not perfect but based on a lot of trade proposals I see ie the guys we don’t want for your best players. It seems to me a lot of people should just look at that to get a base before posting a ridiculous trade. I can tell 90% of trades that are posted who the fan is of that team just by looking at the trade proposal.
DarkSide830
i cant help but think that the Rangers shouldn’t be making these moves at this time. the rotation is still quite thin and the best SP prospects in the system aren’t too close yet.
Dustyslambchops23
Do you want to hear the terrifying truth, or would you like to see me sock a few dingers!?
dingers! dingers!
wbranger
Winn will be up this year and Leiter probably sometime in 2024. That’s pretty close.
oaklandfan22
Dont trade him within the division please.
Rangers29
No. Please dear god no.
rangers13
What would your Plan A and Plan B be after the lockout? SP has to come from somewhere the half-billion spent so far is a moot point
DarkSide830
y’all want Gibby back?
Rangers29
***Ideally*** Kershaw, Suzuki, and another cheap starter via trade (i.e Elieser Hernandez). Then just scour for MiLB deals on relievers and whatnot.
Fire Jon Daniels
Why sign an extension to someone you just paid a premium to acquire with multiple years of control
gbs42
Because he could still be good beyond two years?
Fire Jon Daniels
Why sign an extension to someone you just paid a premium to acquire with multiple years of control
gbs42
Because he could still be good beyond two years?
CalcetinesBlancos
Bad idea to give up on Lowe. He’s young, cheap, and has pretty even platoon splits.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Doubt he gets traded to the Rangers. No way the A’s trade him to someone in the same division.
rememberthecoop
Good GMs don’t let that stop them.
Enrico Pallazzo
Oooh sounds like the Rangers are looking to mimic the Angels model where the team is composed of a few top stars and the rest is scrubs and there’s no good pitching or depth. And they miss the playoffs every year because they they’re completely 1 dimensional. I guess that’s more fun than whatever the hell they’ve been doing for the last 4 years. Maybe they’ll get a player on the cover of mlb the show.
bkwalker510
the A’s are such a joke. just fold the franchise already
nukeg
You understand this is their normal operating rhythm right? Rays are the same way. Build player capital, trade seasoned capital for future capital. It works. You don’t have to like it, but it works.
bkwalker510
i don’t reckon you’ve seen their attendance record lately. it doesn’t work on that end
nukeg
I don’t recon you’ve been to Oakland Coliseum lately. I don’t blame fans for not showing up. The Raiders didn’t even want to play there.
I’m not an As fan, but I have to respect the way they operate and field a competitive team most years.
If the new ballpark gets approved, it’ll be interesting to see if they continue this model.
theodore glass
The model won’t continue. The main reason for the project is so they can start keeping their stars with their new ways of increased revenue.
JoeBrady
I agree. If they agreed on a new stadium tomorrow, then the new stadium will be ready to open by 2024 earliest. By that time, all these guys will be gone anyway.. IMHO, you’re better off starting the new joint with a whole bunch of new players, plus adding a few vets with the money they saved.
Asfan0780
On the stadium issue, the city council will be voting on feb 17th for a binding agreement. But now I read they may delay meeting lol. Moving at a snail’ s pace. Even then , assuming no more delays they project a stadium to open in 2027, that’s a long time. At least for now, the moving to vegas talk hasn’t been much lately
rolandveras
The way the A’s and Rays franchises are run is the gold standard. It’s impressive. It makes me laugh when fans blame “cheap owners” for their team’s lack of success. Bad GM’s and front offices are responsible for multiple is seasons of losing, not cheap ownership. The A’s and Rays win without spending money.
It’s enviable.
rocky7
So now the Rangers join the Padres or Blue Jays as far as being in on every potentially available free agent or top tier player who may be moved by their current team……incredible!
User 3663041837
Jung and Lowe for Olson and one of the A’s pitchers. Or why not the A’s trade all their trade candidates to the Rangers for Jung, Lowe, Leiter and IKF and form the Texas A’s and the Oakland Rangers.
westex87
Jung, Leiter and Winn aren’t going anywhere, they have plenty of other depth in the farm to make a deal, especially if they include Lowe because Oakland values MLB ready replacements to plug directly into their lineup. Let’s be honest, Oakland values a lower payroll more than star players so that carry’s a lot of weight in the trades they make.
Dustyslambchops23
It does but Oakland isn’t going to take a lesser deal from a divisional rival just to get payroll flexibility. Plenty of other teams would easily best any Rangers offer if they refuse to move any of the guys mentioned above.
Oakland has all the leverage.
ohyeadam
The team known to be making moves with the goal of cutting payroll never has the leverage
Dustyslambchops23
Given that they still all have control, not really.
stymeedone
Oakland turns low payroll players into stars! I question the wisdom of Texas trading for a player with only two years of control. They will not have developed the Pitching staff in two years. Few rookie pitchers come out of the gate without a break in period. Lowe gives them a five year window, and more cost certainty.
Bruin1012
All teams can use pitching so if Texas really wants Olson a fair trade would be Lowe and Winn for Olson but because it’s a divisional trade and because the competition for Olson will be stiff probably would need to be Lowe and Winn plus something from the bottom half of the top 10 from Rangers. I know it’s a stiff price to pay for the Rangers but it’s realistic for Olson.
Ronk325
I’d imagine that conversation would go something like the Rangers saying they want Olson and the A’s saying they want Leiter then both sides race to see who can hang up faster
Nobaseball20
Post lockout?????? Time for replacement players if the owners don’t really bargain.
The owners just want fans in the stands, aka cash flow, fulfilling the broadcast contracts.
The MSL will get some new fans……
User 4245925809
Hah.. Bowling, pool, even golf is preferable to watching folks run around and just use their feet.
ohyeadam
I heard the Sugarland Skeeters are looking into the A’s firesale. With no MLB this season they’re wanting to capitalize and possibly steal the spotlight.
mike156
Oakland can, and should, ask for the moon for Olsen. It’s up to other GM’s to see how hungry they are for a deal. If you are a big market team with deep pockets and the CBT isn’t a barrier, I’d shop on the free agent market before paying a King’s ransom.
mike156
One thing that’s sort of fun in these discussions is that just about every commenter wants Olson….but in their own minds, not at the price of their prized prospects. The truth is most of us root on dreams of what our prospects might become, and ones we are willing to part with are the guys we don’t think will shine,
AlienBob
What I find hard to comprehend is the value of a AAAA guy who’s average went from .295 in triple A to .225 his first year in MLB has far less value than the AAA prospect who is No. 30 on the top 100 list.
Rsox
“All of MLB to pursue Matt Olson trade after the lockout”
zacharydmanprin
Wow. MLB Trade Rumors really trying to outrun the A’s payroll slashing narrative. You can actually hear the stretching in the article.
JoeBrady
And just thinking about it, the Rangers trading for two years of Olsen makes -0- sense. If they need 92 wins, and were at 60, Seager, Semien, and Gray aren’t getting them there. Even with adding Olsen, you need to consider that they lost Gallo and Gibson, and the Olsen only upgrades Lowe.
Even if Seager and Semien are overpays, they replace donuts, and they’ll be around for awhile. Giving up two good prospects to replace Lowe, when they will almost definitely miss the playoffs in one of Olsen’s two years, doesn’t make sense to me.
GoGreen
I agree 100%. In 2018, Matt Olson’s first full year in Oakland over 660 PA was .247/.335/.453 The article states “Through 642 plate appearances, Lowe slashed .264/.357/.415” I think The Rangers believe in Lowe. After seeing the same organization give Odor and Gallo years of playing time hovering around the mendoza line, I don’t see them giving up on Lowe that quickly. He was targeted by Chris Woodward and GM Chris Young, both have been recently extended or promoted respectively.
brucenewton
Most of the NL will be looking for another hitter. He’ll have a ton of interest. About the only good time to be a free agent 1B.
flamingbagofpoop
Pushing the chips in too early is a solid plan. Strong track record in recent years.
Painful itch
Olson and Montas to Mariners for Evan White, Brandon Williamson, and Emerson Hancock
Get it done.
Whiskey and leather balls
Headline in two years reads…Rangers trade 4 prospects for Olsen, still have worst starters in baseball while they have him and miss the playoffs both years. Meanwhile Foscue White and Lowe look like perennial all-stars while Spencer Howard emerges as baseballs best closer.
GoGreen
This is a fun article that explores a fun idea, but The Rangers are not trading for Olsen. Nate Lowe will get another year of run.
123redsox
Three way deal.
Sox get Matt Olson and Sean Manaea
A’s get Bobby Dalbec, Johan rojas, mickey moniak, Francisco morales and Luis Garcia
Phillies get JD Martinez Matt Barnes and jarren Duran
Olson slots in at first in Boston.
DH spot can be rotated until Casas arrives. Sign Olson and Manaea long term or just manaea.
A’s get a big league first baseman that is cont controlled with upside, a prospect to replace manaea in the rotation, an outfield prospect with tremendous upside but may be a few years away, and a former number 1 pick reclamation guy that is still very young. They also get a young infielder
Phillies get a young outfielder with upside, a top tier DH and an all star reliever to help their broken pen.
FYI I know it is a pipe dream but it’d make for a decent video game deal!
rememberthecoop
While Dalbex would likely appeal to the A’s, I don’t think they would go for the package you’ve presented. I like the thought process however.
rememberthecoop
Not enough.
rememberthecoop
Who is a free agent 1B?
Eatdust666
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