As covered at length by MLBTR’s Anthony Franco, Ken Rosenthal and Evan Drellich of The Athletic published a relatively bleak account of the state of negotiations between players and owners yesterday. With the scheduled start of Spring Training fast approaching, the MLBPA — widely viewed among players as having negotiated the short end of the agreement that ran from 2016-2021 — views the owners’ most recent proposal as worse than the prior arrangement. Giants player representative Austin Slater summed up the union’s view when he told Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle that MLB’s present stance on questions of core economics were “disingenuous” and “a smokescreen” and implied that players viewed owners’ pre-lockout behavior as unprofessional.
Per Rosenthal’s and Drellich’s report, players and owners remain at loggerheads on most — if not all — of the core issues in play. These issues — each of which bear directly on some combination of total revenue, the way revenue is shared between players and owners, and labor conditions — include playoff expansion (a major priority for owners), an international draft (which the players have made clear they’d only agree to in exchange for a significant concession), the competitive balance tax threshold (players view it as a major hindrance to salary growth and would like to see it grow substantially), the minimum salary (which all players make at some point in their career and sets the ‘replacement’ cost for veterans), revenue sharing (players see it as supporting tanking), and draft order (players want a lottery for top picks to disincentivize tanking).
While an on-time start to Spring Training looks like a pipe dream and Opening Day seems to be in increasing jeopardy, owners and players appear to have made at least some progress on one issue: the treatment of players prior to arbitration eligibility. Under the previous agreement, the great majority of players with less than three years of service time were paid the league minimum ($570,500 in 2021) or thereabouts before becoming eligible for salary arbitration (wherein team and player could negotiate but would have a salary set by an arbitrator should they fail to reach a deal) and remain under team control for three further seasons. (Players in the top 22 percent among those with between two and three years of service time, known as ‘Super Twos,’ were granted arbitration rights a year early, giving them four years of eligibility.)
In November, owners proposed eliminating salary arbitration entirely, instead creating a performance-based (by fWAR) salary pool (a solution with the potential to pay young high-end performers a great deal more but that shifts the bulk of injury and performance risk from team to player), while players proposed lowering the arbitration eligibility bar from three years to two (thereby diminishing a year of extraordinary surplus value generated by players entering their primes). Unsurprisingly, both proposals were non-starters.
Recent negotiations appear to have yielded a potential compromise in principle, if not in monetary value. Though the union has not yet dropped its demand for an additional year of arbitration eligibility, each side has proposed the creation of a salary pool for pre-arbitration players — owners have offered $10MM, players have asked for $105MM — to be distributed according to performance, with the biggest bonuses awarded according to MVP, Cy Young, and Rookie of the Year voting results. As Rosenthal and Drellich note, owners agreeing to a pool value closer to nine digits than seven might persuade players to accept the continuation of the arbitration status quo.
Some common ground appears to exist on the related topic of service-time manipulation, an issue that rose to prominence in 2015 when the Cubs stashed consensus top-5 prospect (and eventual NL Rookie of the Year) Kris Bryant in the minors for just under two weeks in order to ensure an additional year of club control. Though Bryant’s grievance against the Cubs was ultimately denied, owners appear to agree that such manipulation is a bad look for the game, but their solution differs substantially from the union’s. Both owners and players have proposed somewhat convoluted systems. The union plan would grant a full year of service to a) any player who finishes in the top five in either league’s Rookie of the Year voting, the top three for reliever of the year, or made first- or second-team All-MLB; b) finished in the top 10 at their position in an average of bWAR and fWAR if a catcher or infielder; or c) finished in the top 30 at their position in the same average if an outfielder or pitcher. MLB’s plan would reward teams rather than players, granting a draft pick (after the first round) to any team that keeps a pre-season top 100 prospect on its roster for a full season should that player also finish in the top three in Rookie of the Year balloting or in the top five in MVP balloting in any of his first three seasons.
Owners reportedly view the players’ proposal as affecting a much wider pool of players than they’d like, and there’s no doubt that the union’s scheme would cut into teams’ ability to generate surplus value (in short, the difference between the salary of a player generating a given quantity of on-field value and the cost of that value on the open market). It would do particular damage to teams operating on the model associated with the Rays and A’s of the last several decades, whereby teams generally either lock up players early in their careers for below-market rates (a la the deal Evan Longoria signed with the Rays in 2008, which gave the team nine years of control) or trade them for a maximal return before they reach free agency (as the A’s are likely to do with Matt Olson this offseason). In the 2021 season, for instance, Wander Franco would have been granted a full year of service time under the players’ proposal despite not making his debut until late June — keeping him under team control only through the 2026 season rather than through 2027 — while under the owners’ proposal the Rays would have only received a draft pick had they kept the twenty-year-old on their roster from Opening Day.
How much progress these apparent areas of agreement actually represent is a matter of some debate, and fans should bear in mind that even in these comparatively productive areas of discussion, significant and material gaps persist. Whether or not the 2022 season will begin on time remains an open question, but progress — or a lack thereof — on matters that affect the earning power of all players in the early years of their careers will go a long way toward providing an answer. In any event, the owners’ present proposals aren’t likely to cut the mustard with an MLBPA that feels it’s held the short end of the revenue stick for years.
BobbyLox69
My 6th month-old son just looked me dead in the eye and said “Daddy, I side with the millionaires over the billionaires! All I want in my in my life is a new CBA by opening day.” Please don’t make me disappoint my son MLB.
JeffreyChungus
Low effort, low quality comment. Begone.
BobbyLox69
Ill be better tomorrow
JeffreyChungus
I find that hard to believe
Brew’88
No need to be negative Fletch
Jake1972
Seriously doubt it…
DODGER JR
Fletch is an Angel fan. That’s all they are is negative. What else do Angel fans have to look forward too.
Ancient Pistol
You need a new line Bobby, it’s not working anymore,
nukeg
A talking 6 month old – get that kid in the circus.
BlueSkies_LA
Maybe that’s where they got him.
Jack5102
Openeing day is probably going to be later.. These folks are having trouble dividing up the Billions in revenue they take in each year$$$$$..
Spring training in Florida will be early summmer traing and the season will be XX games???
The Oregonian
No one seems to know you’re being tongue in cheek.
Richard Alicea
Hope it’s never signed and the season is cancelled….let the players go find a real job for the year and owners take a loss, sounds good to me; my recipe for GREED!
Bob333
I agree 100% GREED go work a real job.Owners and players
realsox
There is SO much money involved, and everyone involved has SO much of it—even rookies making the MLB minimum earn more than a half million—that there is no sense of urgency to find any common ground.
VonPurpleHayes
A year won’t hurt them. And fans will come crawling back.
Jake1972
I disagree about the fans crawling back… Baseball isn’t the same and for me after the Cubs won in 2016 I just read this site because I enjoy the articles…
VonPurpleHayes
I mean I’m pretty disgruntled myself, and if there’s a significant delay or cancelation I’m done, but a hundred or so people aren’t really going to make a difference.
DODGER JR
Von…. Look at the attendance for most teams and look at the TV ratings and those are the only thing crawling. Baseball is SLOWLY killing itself. The NFL and NBA passed MLB up long time ago. Baseball is boring and the players don’t have the same passion they once did because they are all stinking rich.
niched
Baseball’s recent success comes from local tv revenue. Many baseball teams have tv ratings that are the highest of any tv program within their markets during the season. It’s not a national tv sport anymore the way the NFL and NBA are, but the local cable tv business model has been a goldmine for most teams — though perhaps not all of them. Still, I can’t help but agree with you baseball is not in good shape and if it’s not careful MLB could go bankrupt one day if they don’t start doing deals with Netflix, Prime and Disney + — because of cord cutting — and even then it could be a dicey future.
brodie-bruce
if both sides were smart and cared about the future of the sport they would just extend the last cba for just a year and get going again. then in the meantime have both side work on a longer deal during the year that both sides can agree on. longer this drags out all it’s going to do is kill the golden goose and if there is another cba after this one they will be fighting over pennies instead of billions
SoCalBrave
Time manipulation should be an easy concept, no need for convoluted solutions.
Any player that spends more than 30 days in a single season on the majors, or 60 days in a 3 year span, gets a full year of service.
30 days should be enough for a team to determine if a prospect is ready.
jimmertee
Unfortunately it takes Mark Shapiro and RossAtkins about 5 years to figure out if the player is a prospect and another 3 years to figure out if they are ready.
Dustyslambchops23
That doesn’t help players being called up though. You’ll just see certain teams keep their star prospects in the minors for longer, which really hurts the game.
gbs42
Time manipulation is not an easy concept. Otherwise, we would already have time machines.
KamKid
I agree. The spirit of the rule in the first place was to define a year as slightly less than a year so as not to penalize a team for in season or late season promotions. Just redefine a year. 90-100 days is maybe about right. That way a player can be brought up around the trade deadline to fill vacancies created by trades and not count as a full year, but that player can’t really be a big part of turning a team into a contender by that trade season decision point. All these reward and coercive gimmick scenarios just seem like more potential sore spots.
tigerdoc616
FWIW, IMO, the best way to eliminate service time manipulation is to have free agency start at 6 years OR 29 years of age. That way the only players the owners could manipulate are the really good ones, the ones that would debut before their 23rd birthday. Even Kris Bryant debuted after his 23rd birthday. If you did that, there is no reason to manipulate most players service time. and the special ones who can play prior to their 23rd birthday are still going to get to free agency in the prime of their career.
I don’t think eliminating arbitration will work all that well for the majority of the players. It can be a nasty system, but can’t see how the pool will be big enough to adequately compensate most players prior to free agency.
gbs42
“That way the only players the owners could really manipulate are the really good ones.”
That’s the problem!!
brodie-bruce
i kinda like how hockey does there service time, iirc it’s 13 games played at the nhl counts as 1 year, i also like there rfa system where the player can seek a better deal and if he finds one the team with the player rights can match the offer if not the new team has to compensate the team with rights. you would have to tweak it a bit because mlb won’t let you trade draft picks but imo this is the fairest system that benefits all parties involved. players get paid what there worth sooner and controlling teams get compensation, by no means is it perfect but it’s a hell of a lot better than the current system where players are kept down for that extra year of control and miss there peak earning potential.
exrobinsoncanofan
MLB continues to shoot themselves in the foot. After the playoff games the last two weekends every one is talking about the NFL. I consider myself a die-hard MLB fan and I don’t think I’ve ever been less enthused about baseball, and that even includes the strike of ’94. They can all kiss off.
LordD99
They would be talking about the NFL this time of year as us up through the Super Bowl.
MC Tim C
This is a lot of words to ultimately say one thing: no progress has actually been made.
Ancient Pistol
You need “ultimately” or “actually” in this sentence.
zacharydmanprin
The A’s are not shopping Matt Olson!!!
fjmendez
Where did you see this?
nukeg
Lol it’s stated directly in the article. Don’t worry I didn’t read the whole thing either. Longerrrrrr.
Al Hirschen
What date is the payment for the TV deal?
Pete'sView
JAMES HICKS –
I don’t understand the following reference that you made:
“the minimum salary (which all players make at some point in their career and sets the ’replacement’ cost for veterans),”
How does the minimum salary set the replacement cost for veterans? Am I missing something?
Dustyslambchops23
Assuming he means that teams not signing/keeping/paying veterans at minimum have to pay a replacement player a pre arb salary, essentially setting the floor
Pete'sView
Dustyslambchops23 – Thanks, I thought that might be it.
James Hicks
Yes, exactly. If a team can pay a pre-arb guy $600K or a veteran $1MM, the veteran has to be an expected $400K better to justify the decision (excluding service time/development issues that complicate it a bit). If the minimum salary goes to, say, $800K, a veteran would only have to be an expected $200K better to justify signing him, or he could demand a $1.2MM salary if he would have met the criteria under the previous system, etc. etc.
BlueSkies_LA
I believe it’s fair to assume that if the “minimum wage” increases, free agent salaries would over time inflate by a similar factor, especially for the journeyman types who get paid not a lot more than the minimum, and ultimately impact the entire salary scale. This is one reason why the players are bargaining hard for the increased minimum.
stymeedone
@jhicks
There’s no “veterans minimum”, only a minimum. If Gardner wants to play another year in NY, there is nothing that requires him to be paid more than Florial, other than his pride.
Bobby boy
Allow for an increase in super 2 players from 22% to 33%. Then increase it each year by 3% until 45% of players are eligible. Although this would not be a solution for all players, it would be a compromise that neither side would be content with. At the end of that CBA, the players and league could re-evaluate their stance but each side would have given in to the other to an extent.
ohyeadam
This looks like an actual solution! At minimum the building blocks
fjmendez
I am very curious why players are against a salary floor, but want to increase the salary tax threshold. If anything, wouldn’t a salary floor mean owners are forced to pay their players, meaning more money for players?
Dustyslambchops23
I don’t think they are against a floor they just know they won’t get it, so they’ve abandoned trying to get the Rays, A’s and Pirates to spend more so they are focusing on allowing the Yankees, Dodgers and Mets to spend more with out penalty.
brucenewton
A salary floor comes with a ceiling. A properly constructed cap system would increase salaries initially and year over year. Generally the floor is 80% of the ceiling. Works great in all the other sports.
barryr
I don’t think it works so great in other sports. In the NHL and NBA, teams make trades where they get rid of multiple players to get under the cap so they can acquire a different player, essentially tearing their team apart. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t, but the lack of continuity is not good for fans. The NHL, which has a hard cap, ends up with teams winning the Stanley Cup, then getting rid of star players because they can’t get under the cap otherwise.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Which Stanley Cup winning team traded their star players because they couldn’t get under the cap otherwise?
Cuz the 21 and 20 Lightning, 19 Blues, 18 Caps, 09, 16 and 17 Pens, 10, 13 and 15 Hawks, 12 and 14 Kings, and 11 Bruins all still have theirs. To this day.
And the only other teams that won Cups under the Cap, the 06 Canes, 07 Ducks and 08 Wings have indeed lost star players…to retirement, but not the cap.
Rick Pernell
I hear the dreaded “Replacement Players” slogan playing in my head.
jimmertee
How about no CBA and total free agency all the time for everyone? Certainly better and simpler than millionaires and billionaires doing the greed shuffle then dancing for another CBA term.
Pete'sView
jimmertree – A number of years ago I watched as both my wife and daughter abandoned MLB because the players—especially their favorite players—kept leaving the team.
Your suggestion of total free agency all the time would not only piss off the owners (who have invested $$ into each player), but also piss off most Major League fans—something that Manfred is already doing quite well.
manfraud
When the MLB fanbase continues to decline I hope they reflect on these negotiation processes and not on “how can we shorten the games”
Brew’88
My 8 year old son just asked me to set up a backyard bb hoop
Ancient Pistol
So your 8 yo is unhappy with the pace of negotiations and has decided to abandon baseball in February (the baseball offseason) for basketball?
NY_Yankee
I have long felt the best solution is no arbitration and a shorter free Agency period, say three years.
barryr
For the players – not the owners.
mstrchef13
I think it is increasingly obvious that the top priority for both the owners and the players is to “win the negotiation” rather than to compromise for the best interest of the game. I have minor league baseball 10 minutes from my front door. I don’t know when (or if) I will ever travel the hour or so it takes to get to the closest major league park and spend five times the money.
greatgame 2
Same for me. Minor league baseball is very enjoyable. They would gladly play for $570k for 7 months!
Peart of the game
Why not combine the two ideas for rookie service time together? That way both sides get something they want and that way teams have an incentive to bring players up when ready instead of just manipulating service time.
LordD99
MLB players should all be making at least $1M. The MLBPA is aiming too low at $775K, likely because they need concessions from owners in other areas too. They won’t get everything in one CBA, so they’ll have to pick and choose their battles.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Hockey has a $750K minimum (I believe slated to rise to $900,000 over the course of it’s current CBA) in a sport with half the revenues.
MLB has no excuse…beyond an insatiable lust for underpaying young players so they can overpay old players later, I guess.
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@forwhom. I still cannot believe 37 year old Max with the dead arm got 43.3 million AAV for 3 years!
gdjohnson
There is a simple solution to service time manipulation that would work but I doubt the owners would ever agree. Any player that is promoted to mlb for the first time before September 1st gets a full year of service time. and his clock to free agency starts at that time. For example, Player A is promoted for the first time on April 15, 2022. He will automatically become a free agent after the 2027 season., whether he spends one day in the bigs or every day there from his original promotion.
If a player is promoted during the September roster expansion, his free agency clock will start with the next season. For example, Player B is promoted on September 1st, 2022. He will automatically become a free agent after the 2028 season.
This is simple, fair and will never be accepted by the owners.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
This a very sensible balance between preventing player exploitation while allowing team to test drive/younger players being able to dip their toes in the water in Sept.
But didn’t they cut Sept call ups to like 3 players?
brodie-bruce
i think sep call ups need to be tweaked a bit allow team to call up 10 to 15 but like in hockey most of them would be healthy scratches. i.e let teams have a 30 to 35 man roster but only 3 call ups can play that night.
yanks2323
These morons are ruining the game!
Cohens_Wallet
I guess it would be too easy to just have a rule stating out of consideration to the people that actually pay our bills “the fan base” all negotiations must take place during the offseason and BE READY FOR GAMES TO START ON TIME!!!
If both sides fail to agree then they must settle on a ruling by an arbitrator till an agreement by both sides can be hashed out the following offseason.
Then we’ll all see Tattoo since that would only be seen on Fantasy Island.
Halo11Fan
Pay the young players. Give them arbitration after two years. They deserve the money and the owners still make a ton on them. The moment a young players vastly exceeds his value, he gets non-tendered.
Since he then becomes a free agent, that increases the number of free agents, lowers free agent cost and allows more interest in the game.
On this issue, I’m 100 percent on the players side.
Ducey
Well if a team signs a players to a 8 yr contract they can’t non tender him.
If you want to have free agency so quickly, then the contracts should not be guaranteed. Then a player gets paid for as long as he is useful.
Pretty sure the players would not be in favour of that.
stymeedone
The players proposal, which gives virtually any player of value a quicker path to free agency was definitely a non starter, and should have never been proposed. To tell a team that they can keep Zack Short for six years, but Wander Franco gets to leave early is just stupid. For every Wander Franco that a system produces, a team has invested in another 25 players just to field a minor league team that may not produce more than a few contributors to a major league roster. Upon producing a player, that team is not going to give up their investment easily.
foppert
I can’t get my head around the “short end of the revenue stick” position. They are employees. It’s what you get. People who invest in owning the organisation, get the long end. The owners purchased the long end by paying billions. Billions, that I imagine could have been invested in far more lucrative pursuits than a baseball team.
I’m all for a very hefty pay check for the players. It’s a tough gig. Playing every day, away from your family, giving up any chance of being a traditional type Dad, media scrutiny, fan pressure etc etc.
But I just can’t come at the short end of the revenue stick argument when compared to owners getting the long end. It’s the end of the stick you chose by becoming a player, and therefore an employee.
JoeBrady
People who invest in owning the organisation, get the long end.
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The funny part is, the players were offered the long end. They got greedy and said no.
Pete'sView
I’m not shilling for the owners (Manfred does that without embarrassment), but anyone who owns a business knows that you don’t just toss out the development costs once the development is successful.
Pay minor leaguers a fair salary and then, if the player develops, you can hold on to that player 5 or 6 years, with arbitration starting in year two. However, it should not be a “given” that a player’s salary/contract automatically goes up. Performance counts, and middle infielders (or any player) batting .229 should not be making $2-3M annually.
The average annual contract for a Major League player is $4.8M. Anyone who can’t live on that better find another planet.
BlueSkies_LA
Manfred doesn’t shill for the owners, he works for them, he represents them. What’s your excuse?