While nothing about baseball’s future can be set in stone, the scuttlebutt coming out of San Francisco suggests pretty strongly that Kris Bryant will not be returning in black and orange. Concerns about his defensive efficiency and contract demands have the Giants looking elsewhere. If the price for Bryant drops, however, he still very much fits a need. Bryant and the retired Buster Posey brought the right-handed thump to balance a left-leaning lineup in 2021. Evan Longoria contributed as well, but the veteran third baseman is far from a sure thing, health-wise.
The hallmark of this Giants’ regime is discipline, so despite their need for a right-handed bat, they aren’t likely to overpay to bring Bryant back, writes Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports. The Giants appear most comfortable looking for match-up-based value adds, a department where they have succeeded recently with players like Darin Ruf, LaMonte Wade Jr, and Wilmer Flores.
There is one higher-profile free agent they could pursue. The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly wrote back in mid-December that the Giants are interested in Japanese import Seiya Suzuki, who should command a contract in a range wherein the Giants feel comfortable. There are many suitors chasing Suzuki, however.
Donovan Solano has been another one of those part-time players for the Giants, but Pavlovic notes that he’s probably “gone for good.” Solano had a productive three seasons with the Giants, even winning a silver slugger award in 2020.
His departure should make room to give Thairo Estrada a real opportunity. After slashing .273/.333/.479 across 132 plate appearances in 2021, there’s certainly reason to think that the 25-year-old Estrada can be a younger, cheaper version of the 34-year-old Solano.
Depth is key in the modern landscape, however. Since Estrada is out of options, the Giants need to be relatively certain about whether or not he can be the guy they need to fill out their bench. The Giants need a right-handed complement to Tommy La Stella at second and someone who can spell Evan Longoria at third. If Estrada is that guy, then the Giants can focus their post-lockout roster-building on adding potential rotation arms to fill out their depth on that end.
One Bite Hotdog
Lourdes Gurriel Jr.
smuzqwpdmx
is not for sale.
One Bite Hotdog
I wouldn’t say that. Abundance of OF in the blue fold.
Jean Matrac
An abundance of OF in Toronto is not a good reason to trade away a good, young, controllable player.
to4
Not necessarily. Teoscar is best suited as DH given his defensive woes every now and then, Springer had an injury plagued 2021 and Grichuk is still producing at both side, but is better suited for a team with less guaranteed talent in the OF. That leave us only with Lourdes Jr. who has also had his share of DL stint, or else, he would reach 30+Homers already!
I’ll say Yatz for Grichuk’s and cash/or prospects straight up!
Pete'sView
You are smoking something very powerful. The Giants are not making that deal.
kmac 2
Blue Jays are right handed heavy and could use a left bat…Maybe a match ??
kmac 2
Grichek for Yastrzemski??
AndyWarpath
That’s not close
Pete'sView
kmac 2 – Why in the world would the Giants do that?
seamaholic 2
They wouldn’t, but don’t overvalue Yaz. He’s gonna turn 32 this season and the league has more or less figured him out. Giants are looking to upgrade at his position big-time, but Grichuk isn’t the answer. Gurriel would be an interesting swap though. Yaz might have a good first year or two in the AL, where they don’t know him. Love to see him play 9 times a year at Fenway!
If the Jays decide that getting a lefty is important, they’ll find a 3B I’d guess, or a DH. Not a corner OF. Or they might move Springer to a corner and grab a good defensive CF.
AndyWarpath
Yaz might not be a barn burner, but he’s under control for 4 more years. Even as a 2.5 WAR player that’s a lot of surplus value.
StlSwifty
I could see the cardinals and the giants working out a trade. STL has a ton of RH hitters and need to balance it out. What about a possible flip of Paul dejong plus another piece for Brandon belt? Or possibly yaz?
Balk
Why Belt? Don’t you have Goldy?
Jean Matrac
Even if the Cards didn’t have Goldschmidt, the Giants aren’t trading Belt for DeJong. That would be a huge overpay. As a hitter Belt is about 22%-25% better than league average. DeJong is only slightly better than league average.
I like DeJong. The Giants don’t need a SS, but they could move him to 2B, and he could spell Crawford on occasion. But, he should be available for a lot less than Belt, though.
Pete'sView
STL Swifty – Boy, that better be quite a piece that St, Loo would be pitching in. Can’t even imagine who.
Beside the Giants don;’t need Paul DeJong.
mattwild1
Belt has statistically been one of the BEST hitters in the league the past two seasons. Not sure where you got 22-25% better than average from.
to4
They want to make a Goldy-Belt 😛
to4
Not for sale !
SystemQB
Could probably get Franmil Reyes and Clase from Cleveland. If we get a universal DH. It’s gonna happen. Maybe give up Joey Bart for Clase, Reyes, and Pleasac.
scottn59c
With the retirement of Posey, Giants need Bart. Also, no need to burn such a highly ranked (and needed) prospect when the bank is flush with cash.
Giants have Ricardo Genoves as an up and coming catching prospect they might look to deal as part of a package for a bat if they go that route.
jimmyz
Or Patrick Bailey
scottn59c
Now’s not the time to trade Bailey; his stock is low after a not-so-great year in the low minors.
SystemQB
Wouldn’t want to add a righty masher, flamethrower, and a #2 or 3 rotation arm for a prospect?
scottn59c
A prospect? Sure. But Joey Bart? No.
JoeBrady
Scottn59c25 mins ago
A prospect? Sure. But Joey Bart? No.
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Joey Bart is no longer a sure thing. 50/14 K/W in A+, 21/7 in AA, 82/21 in AAW, and 43/3 in the MLB. 2020 screwed up some development plans, and he had good results in AZFL, but there are red flags on this guy.
scottn59c
No prospect is a sure thing. But they need him more than they can afford to lose him relative to his prospect value at this moment. Realistically, I don’t see another team burning down their farm right now to go get him. However, if he shows well in ’22, the Giants are going to have a nice problem on their hand with Pat Bailey.
Jean Matrac
JoeBrady:
“Joey Bart is no longer a sure thing.”
He never was, nor is any prospect. But Fangraphs rates him with a future value of 50. That’s the same as Keibert Ruiz, and he was the guy that got the Dodgers Scherzer and Trea Turner.
And you’re cherry-picking. SOs aren’t as bad as people used to think. As long as a guy can get on base regularly, and hit for power, he has a lot of value. In his 3 MiL seasons Bart had a .348 OBP, and a .512 SLG. Not that it’s important, but he hit even better in college.
And you seem to forget that he’s a catcher, and what he does on the field is more important than with the bat. The scouting report on his fielding (grade 60), and arm (grade 55), say he’s above average. The best possible thing any team can hope for is a good catcher than can hit. No one knows, but I’d bet that he’ll be both.
TellItGoodbye
Tons of red flags on Bart. He can’t seem to handle the big stage. His baseball intuition and instincts have been pretty bad thus far. Seems spaced out half the time, like he’s living inside his head. He could get over that, but no way is he a sure thing for 2022, or ever.
scottn59c
And you’re basing that on what…? 30 games in the pandemic shortened 2020? He performed admirably at AAA last season. Time to see what he can do.
BondsAway
Tons of red flags on Bart? Based on what? Bart will be fine, give him a full year to get acclimated to the grind of MLB.
dsett75
All 3 for Bart?! I don’t think Cleveland would do it! Clase is a really good closer, Reyes is a big middle lineup bat and Plesac is very solid.
mrnotsoniceguy
Joey Bart is the starting catcher… so, no.
TellItGoodbye
I wouldn’t be so sure of that.
Windowpane
You’d get a dial tone from Cleveland.
scottn59c
If Joey Bart shows himself to be a serviceable catcher that doesn’t strike out too much, his power will equal or better that of Posey’s last year. He won’t hit for average like Posey, but the power potential is there. Ruf is also a righty who has shown that he’s worthy of more ABs.
I’m starting to think that the Giants might roll into 2022 without that power bat that everyone is thinking they need to acquire. I think they’ll sign more generic depth at 2B and OF but that they might be inclined to bide some more time to see what they have in the farm system before committing to big contracts.
I know the comment section is going to get flooded by angry critics of FZ who are going to trot out the same trope about him being cheap. But so many of the guys that he signed, whether last year’s pitchers like Gausman, DeScalfani, and Wood, or unheralded pickups like Yaz, Wade Jr, or Solano, have been really solid, under-the-radar finds that didn’t get this team to the top of the NL West by accident.
Do the Giants need to spend 125 million+ committing to seven or eight years on a bat like Castellanos or Bryant? I don’t think that’s a wise move. Let the Padres do that. Save that money for when the team knows what they have in Bart, Ramos, Luciano, Matos, etc.
giant4life
Bart is much more likely to hit for average than power unless he makes some drastic changes to his swing. Suzuki would be an acceptable option with really nice upside if they are willing to spend 25-30 million on posting.
It still is a bare minimum effort for a team with unlimited resources. Free agents won’t be cheaper next off season and the players aren’t nearly as good as this years FA class.
This was the offseason that all of you thrifty Farhan supporters pointed to and said they will open up the checkbook. What will your response be when this team barely wins 80 games this year?
gravel
That winning 107 was overachieving and 80 seems reasonable?
scottn59c
The game plan changed a bit when the Giants won 107 games last year. If Zaidi can do that without dead-ending the future with a few hundred million dollars worth of contracts, why are you continuing to complain? Would you rather have Bobby Evans committing to the likes of Cueto, Samardzija, and Longoria again?
giant4life
Zaidi put together a team last year with one year contracts with players that needed that motivation. Crawford and Belt played just like most guys do when they are in contract years. That was Farhan’s secret sauce and now he goes and gives those same players fat deals with years. Sounds like something Bobby Evans would do and why they fired him.
foppert
Cueto – 6 years – 130m
Samardzija – 5 years – 90m
Longo at Giants – 4 years – 88m
DeScalafini – 3 years – 36m
Wood – 2 years – $25m
Belt – 1 year – 19m
Crawford – 2 years – 32m
Yep. Mirror image. Your hate is so transparent.
giant4life
Hindsight is 20/20. It was a different time in the sport but these guys were considered much better talent back then than Wood and Disco at this point. Money and years in Farhans world is like dog years so 3 years is like 6 and 30 million is like 90. With that logic Farhan has spent more than Evans did! Don’t sell yourself short you are a tremendous troll yourself
seamaholic 2
Contracts don’t affect player performance very much. It’s almost completely random. I realize that blows up the story line, but that’s reality. Talent, age, and luck affect performance.
foppert
Wow. Keep digging.
Hindsight is 20/20. Which is why intelligent folks learn from it.
Jean Matrac
seamaholic:
I totally agree. I think it’s ridiculous to believe that players don’t care about their performance until they’re in the last season of a contract.
Depending on what the argument is, players are either super competitive, to the degree that’s they’ll cheat, or so noncompetitive that they don’t care about their performance until they’re looking for a new deal.
foppert
My response to that disappointment won’t be like yours. Of this I am 100% certain.
giant4life
Maybe closer to the disappointment that you were when you came up? Those minor league guns must have been about 6-7 mph hot is my guess cuz you were supposed to throw 96-98 and came out barely breaking 90! How’s Ainsworth and Williams doing these days?
foppert
Not sure. Don’t know them. I just hope they aren’t a derogatory, weak internet coward.
mister guy
It really isn’t a bare minimum. The giants still end about 3 starting pitchers and hopefully one of those is someone of merit with at least 2 for depth. This means that you aren’t going to spend 9 numbers on a Trevor story or Bryant. As far as the FA market it it prolly Suzuki or get creative. I also think that as much as an every day player would be nice dipping into the well of positive splits works as a backup
giantsphan12
@giant4, you’re so NOT a Giants fan
jessaumodesto
They need several as well as left handed bats
jimmyz
The power move would be to trade for Bryan Reynolds and sign him to an extension that Nutting won’t pay.
The sensible move is sign Nelson Cruz (assuming DH comes to the NL), Michael Pineda and a reliever all for roughly 45-50 million total payroll added to next season.
seamaholic 2
They don’t have the farm to trade for BR.
scottn59c
They have a top ten farm system and are the team that traded Reynolds in the first place (not that they wouldn’t like him back).
seamaholic 2
What difference does it make that they traded Reynolds? They got a major leaguer back (Cutch), not prospects. Come to think of it, one of the worst trades in recent history, but that’s neither here nor there. Might have won it all last year if they had BR. Their farm is far from top ten, after you subtract Bart. It’s very heavy on hit-tool-only position players, with very little pitching and little power. They’d get outbid for Reynolds in a second.
PutPeteRoseInTheHall
They actually do have a top 10 farm. I think the Giants could trade for Reynolds, but it would take a little more than they’re willing to give
AndyWarpath
SF Giants:
MLB.com – 8th ranked system
Bleacher Report – 6th ranked system
claude raymond
Seam, the Giants system has reached top 10 but not because of Bart, Luciano, etc at the higher levels. It’s because of the NEW Zaidi acquired talent at lower levels. That talent includes several pitchers. Harrison, Murphy, Bednar and many others. You simply need to Google “SF GIANTS FARM SYSTEM RANKINGS”. It sounds like you’ve never done that. They do have several assets to potentially trade.
Jean Matrac
The problem in trying to trade for Reynolds is the Pirates don’t want to trade him. The Giants have the prospects to get him, but the cost would be exorbitant.
Trading for Reynolds is not a new idea. In fact, we get multiple questions about doing just that in every chat. Plenty of teams would love to acquire him, but none will because, even the dumbest POB/GM is not going to overpay to the extent that it would take.
mrnotsoniceguy
Lmao they have one of the best farm systems in baseball. Why don’t you try again
claude raymond
And great pitching in lower levels
Pete'sView
Pirates aren’t moving Reynolds, they’ve stated that publicly numerous times. And if they DID make Reynold available, every team would be in on the scrum, with all the top prospects being dangled. Giants can’t afford to do that, as great as Reynolds may be.
I think the Giants are okay at DH and that their greatest needs are a top of the rotation starter (let’s hope Logan doesn’t regress) and an impact RH bat. If not Suzuki, I’d like Story to play 2b.
jekporkins
@jimmyz God no to all.
Jean Matrac
jimmyz:
The sensible thing would be to not sign Nelson Cruz. There’s a reason why he did not sign before the lockout. He was asking for too much, and wanted a 2 year deal.
The guy will be 42 in July. Plus, the Giants are one of those teams that love flexibility. Cruz is a DH only, and the last thing the Giants want is a guy that can only DH.
seamaholic 2
Yup. Cruz is DH only and was barely a league average hitter last year. Father time comes for all of us, and if I’m a major league GM I’m assuming he’s now come for Nellie, finally. Looked very slow late last year. Certainly on a 2 year deal that’s almost a guaranteed loser.
dan_plays_drums
Trey Mancini.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Trey Mancini could help, he is certainly right-handed. Orioles seem to flourish in San Francisco, cold summers, but they flourish
seamaholic 2
SF has a 1B.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Whomever FZ decides upon will easily outperform their career numbers.
Spare Tire Dixon
If the DH is coming, get Nelson Cruz or Jorge Soler.
nukeg
Giants are one of the NL clubs that would immediately benefit from having a DH position. They are a perfect candidate to add a power right handed bat that doesn’t hurt you on the defensive side.
rememberthecoop
“Dearly drparted” Buster Posey”? Dude, you make it sound like he died …
scottn59c
Haha, but I think it felt that way to a lot of SF fans who associated Posey with the three championships and who appeared to have more left in the tank when he decided to hang it up.
Lanidrac
Meanwhile, if the DH comes to the NL, the Cardinals will definitely need a left-handed bat. Even without the DH, they could really use a proven lefty bat for the bench.
Their regular lineup (including both SS options) are all right-handed save for a couple of switch-hitters who both hit better right-handed anyway. Meanwhile, only Nootbaar is a lefty among their currently projected bench options.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Just….. Go see Al…. Schoop, Haase, G Soto.
All we need is Luciano and any pitching prospect with a decent Polish name. We’ll even help you out by taking on Estrella……
Go see Al, go see Al, go see Al….
The Saber-toothed Superfife
So….auto correct and Stanley (Marlon Brando) have something in common……
How odd….
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Does anyone desire this trade?
dsett75
I’m a Tigers fan and I don’t think the Giants do it. I’m with a couple others I’ve read…they should try to get Mancini.
Pete'sView
Mancini is a first baseman. We have plenty of those from both sides of the plate, all of whom—given the ABs—can reproduce Mancini’s numbers.
stymeedone
Tigers are not looking to move players on the major league roster. Soto is their closer and is not going anywhere. Going to be a fun year in Detroit. No holes in the lineup, for the first time in a long time.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Do you really believe that?
Highest IQ
I’m available
slogar1
I understand their thinking; 2023 is going to be their year with excellent talent coming up from the minor league. No doubt some will get their feet wet this year but I see more additions coming from free agency this year than trades unless they trade someone they’ve given up on. Been done before.
mister guy
Yeah I mean we will see at least Ramos, Bart and hjelle based on their status sitting in the 40 but I wouldn’t be surprised if we see more. There seems to be a lot of faith in krizan as well so he may be the solution at 2nd
foppert
We will probably see Beede get an extended look. No options left. It’s use him or lose him.
mrnotsoniceguy
Beede is a poor man’s Jesse Foppert. In other words, he’s done.
foppert
Maybe. It’s definitely crunch time for him as a Giant. Big Spring coming up. I’m hoping he delivers.
solaris602
What exactly is Kris Bryant’s market aside from SEA and maybe COL? Teams aren’t lining up like we thought they would for a variety of reasons, the biggest of which is he doesn’t do any one thing well enough to justify his asking price. I honestly think he’ll be a late signing when his price approaches reality.
scottn59c
Mets, Angels, Phillies, Padres, even Astros, maybe? Those teams could use him, but to your point, I don’t know that they’ll pay the asking price. But there were some pretty big overpays before the lockout with guys like Stroman and Baez beating their contract estimates pretty handily.
JoeBrady
Bryant’s decision might impacted by regret for having turned down the Cub’s offer.
mike127
Mr. Brady, which offer are you referring to? Bryant is on record a handful of times stating that the rumored “offer” never was.
dsett75
Bryant’s versatility alone will have him picking from a few, imho.
jvent
JD Davis for Jake McGee and Wilmer Flores can help both sides
Redwolves3
Not Davis. Mets can’t even find an everyday place for Davis.
Pete'sView
Overpay by SF given Davis’ shaky glove.
mattwild1
yikes… someone is a Mets fan
mrnotsoniceguy
Lmao Flores is better than JD Davis and you want them to throw in McGee. Nope.
The Oregonian
Wilmer Flores can be that right-handed accompaniment to La Stella at second, with Thairo taking Solano’s old roster spot. Just need another right-handed outfielder.
Rsox
If the NL adopts the DH i don’t see the Giants committing to a DH only option. They would probably use the DH to give guys like Belt and Longoria days off in the field and give AB’s to Ruf and Flores.
One option that makes sense would be a reunion with Kris Bryant if the price is right. Bryant being able to play 3B/1B/LF/CF/RF would allow them to have he and Belt/Longoria in the lineup every day
foppert
Agreed. Can’t see them locking into a DH only option. Recent history suggests it will be open for whoever is a best fit on that day.
stymeedone
They got thru all but one of their seasons w/o rotating thru the DH to give players rest. Don’t understand why you would assume its necessary now. Most teams don’t have a bat only player worth devoting all the ab’s to. Davis could well be that type of player. Still, I wouldn’t pay that price for a player the Mets are obviously trying to get rid of.
foppert
More guess than assumption and not so much about rest. Just the way they roll with match ups for that days opposition.
giantsphan12
@Rsox. Agreed that Farhan may not put all his DH eggs in one basket, but KB is not good at all those positions. At Oracle, he cannot okay RF, or CF (even tho he did get a few starts there last year).
We have 3-4 options at 1st, and thus KB is limited to reps at 3rd and LF only. His current ask is not a great fit for SF
TellItGoodbye
Except that Bryant stinks as a 3B, now self-overrated as a hitter, and average at best at his other positions. Not worth what he’s asking. Not even close.
jensan
Jays will trade Randall Grichuk – signed for two years, hits 20 Hr/ 80 RBIs plays CF/RF. His OBP is not enough but his slugging is solid.
Jays want a LHRP or a 40 prospect.
AndyWarpath
It’d take a prospect add by the Jays just to unload Grichuk’s salary.
Dustyslambchops23
Who’s back up CF for the jays if this happens?
Rsox
Teoscar or Josh Palacios can handle CF in an emergency but a prolonged absence of Springer would likely have the Jays looking to add an Outfielder capable of playing CF regularly if need be (Jake Marisnick, Billy Hamilton, Juan Lagares immediately come to mind)
mrnotsoniceguy
Giants have zero interest in Randall.
Armaments216
Probably wouldn’t take much to get Eugenio Suarez from the Reds.
AndyWarpath
Interesting matchup here. Reds would need to throw in a 6-10 type prospect (maybe Rece Hinds) to offset Suarez salary. But the Giants definitely have the money to essentially “buy” a prospect and gamble on a bounce back from a veteran.
Redwolves3
Giants have money to go after players. Zaidi just doesn’t want to spend money and wants to hoard / hold back minor league players.
Jean Matrac
Redwolves3:
FZ is willing to spend money for the right guy. He was willing to go 10 years/$300M+ for Harper. It’s just that, in his opinion, there’s no one out there that’s a fit for the Giants that’s worth a deal in excess of $100M. If they needed a SS, I could easily see him signing Correa, or maybe Story.
stymeedone
Reds wouldn’t need to throw in anything. Suarez is a capable 3B signed long term to a reasonable 12MM salary. He’s likely to hit his 30 HRs, and has had one bad season. I don’t see the Reds “dumping” a reasonable contract. Its not holding them back.
AndyWarpath
Suarez had a -.7 bwar last year. That is not reasonable for a 12mm salary. That’s not reasonable for the major league minimum.
Pete'sView
And unfortunately even if the Giants thought they could slide Suarez over to 2b, his glove is suspect.
Rsox
Suarez can only play 3B. Wouldn’t do much for the Giants with Longoria on the roster.
Armaments216
He’d be depth at 3B, 1B and DH for 2022. And the only one with a guaranteed contract for 2023.
ekrog
Good thought, but the Reds would be selling low. If he can hit even half as well as he did at the end of the season for a couple months he would be a bargain for his salary, and would have much more trade value. They should hold off trading him for now.
Cohn Joppolella
Trade for Ozuna!
mlbnyyfan
Giants should trade for Judge. Judge value finally higher than its been in years after a decent and Healthy season. Yankees should consider trading him before giving an injury prone player a long term contract of 30+ a year.
Jean Matrac
I’m sure the Giants would love to get Judge. I don’t think his value is as high as you imply though. I think he’s a FA in 2023, so he’s only controllable for one more season. Teams aren’t going to spend big for a one year rental.
scottn59c
I don’t think the Yanks want to trade Judge, but assuming they did, I wonder what he’d bring back. I would think they’d be far more hot to get out from the Stanton contract, but I also wouldn’t think the Giants would want any part of that.
Jean Matrac
Scottn59c:
Yeah, that’s the other part. I don’t see the NYYs trading Judge. He’s a popular player among the fans, and the seeming reluctance of them to spend money recently, just might be because they’re earmarking that money to be able to extend/re-sign judge to a big deal.
eatonculo
Sounds like they should trade for Paul DeJong.
seamaholic 2
The Giants? You in the wrong chat?
eatonculo
He bats right-handed. Didn’t hit much last year but he can play any infield position.
BTW, finding a right-handed bat should be easy – expensive to cheap, trade to free agent. They’ll get anyone they want.
Jean Matrac
Except the Giants need OF help more than they do a league average hitter to play the IF. I like Paul DeJong, but he’s not a really good fit for the Giants.
eatonculo
I get it. I just saw this part: “The Giants need a right-handed complement to Tommy La Stella at second and someone who can spell Evan Longoria at third.”
Didn’t pay attention to the comment about Estrada in the previous paragraph.
DJboy28 2
The right play would be to sign Castellanos and another Pitcher like Rodon or Pineda.
Jean Matrac
DJboy28:
Disagree somewhat with the first part (Castellanos), but agree with the second. Castellanos is a DH, and while the Giants will probably have that spot open, I think they want someone with more ability to play in the field.
You could be right though in that perhaps FZ thinks his bat compensates for his terrible defense. But given what Castellanos is asking for, and FZ’s reluctance for big contracts, unless it’s the right guy, I don’t see it happening.
SFBay314
Castellanos.
GM Scott Harris traded for him while he was in CHI.
dave frost nhlpa
Voit
Jean Matrac
What about him? He certainly holds no interest for the Giants. They already have a 1B.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@dave frost
This is a rare occurrence. Gary Sanchez might be more relevant than Luke Voit.
wjf010
I’m sure they could get Buxton from the Twins. just dangle a bad reliever who could have good stuff with the right tutelage.
stymeedone
Why would the Twins trade the cornerstone player they just signed to a reasonable long term contract?
mrnotsoniceguy
Seiya Suzuki would make sense
Rsox
I’m wondering if Suzuki waits out the lockout or just stays in Japan for another year.
snowyphile1
If Boras calls, don’t answer.
Windowpane
Giants fans need a reality check. Last season’s 108 wins was a once in a lifetime occurrence when the planets aligned perfectly. Posey is gone. Gausman is gone. The journeymen part-timers they won with last year will regress to their career averages. SF could be a .500 team this season. I say this as a Giants fan.
scottn59c
There’s no reason to assume that their offseason is done already. Remember that they didn’t do anything at last season’s trade deadline until the last second when they snagged Bryant and Tony Watson, which were savvy moves.
ChiSox_Fan
The White Sox need a LH bat.
Let’s trade with SFG.
What do you have to offer in a realistic trade?!
Rsox
Yaz, Wade, Duggar, or La Stella are the only realistic LH the Giants have to trade (Belt and Crawford are probably not going to be traded)
The White Sox could definitely use Yaz but probably wouldn’t like the overpay. The Giants have other 2B options so La Stella could be the one the White Sox could probably get
scottn59c
@Rsox: Most of those are guys that SF holds onto. For LH bats, they’d part with Duggar, but he’s more glove than arm. Jason Vosler is a player with some upside who hasn’t gotten much of a shot with SF yet. He didn’t do much in limited action in the bigs last year, but has shown plenty of pop at AAA. After that, you have to pry away Wade Jr or Yaz. Wade Jr could maybe be had for a controllable pitcher. Yaz has four years of arb and also wouldn’t come cheap.
Rsox
I was thinking of players that fit positions of need for the White Sox. They have Moncada and Burger who can play 3B. Abreu, Vaughn, and Sheets for 1B. And any/all for DH so Vosler seems superfluous to their needs. They need a 2B and a RF so those players made more sense
TellItGoodbye
Really hope SF doesn’t bring back Bryant. His defensive lapses at 3B were worrisome. It appears he’s on the verge of a case of full-on Yips.
Pickles McGee
Jordan Luplow was a Giants kind of player so I was surprised to see his talent get wasted on their division rivals, the DBacks. He absolutely crushed LHP for awhile there, esp in 2019. His career ops is .899. A decent OF defender too who the Rays showed off at 1B as well. I wished Cleveland had grabbed him back — or never traded him in the first place. Cheap and under control for a few more years.
He even started to hit RHP past year before his ankle issues hobbled him so a look at full time use may be the plan in Phoenix because a team like that does not really need a weak side platoon specialist. That’s A jib for a team in contention.
andyhighroller
Sign me up for that. Just checked him out and I just love that he played 2B, 3B, CF, LF, RF, and 1B last year. Yes please.
If he’s not available anytime soon, I’m pulling for Jonathon Villar because he’s a switch hitting super utility guy, and he can be the right handed CF option as well as the Left handed 2B option, with Ruf/La Stella as the RH/LH DH, Wade/Suzuki in LF, Yaz/Slater in RF, and again Duggar/Villar in CF.
Villar is just a faster and more versatile player than La Stella, and while I understand LH utility infielders aren’t very common, I don’t think the presence of La Stella should prevent them from grabbing another utility guy.
Especially since Gabe Kapler’s probably had “switch hitting utility INF/OF, with speed and some pop” written on his birthday/x-mas list since he arrived in SF.
andyhighroller
I’d say Jonathan Villar could be a nice pickup. Switch hitter, plays 2B/SS/3B/CF/LF/RF/1B, and has some speed.
The Giants could really use a right handed center field platoon guy, as Dubon hasn’t really done enough to be given the nod, and Duggar still appears like he should be a platoon guy.
Ruf/La Stella DH, Villar/Duggar CF, Yaz/Suzuki RF, Wade/Slater LF. If Villar is playing well enough to play everyday, he can move to the infield or any other OF spot if necessary.
I still like Estrada for 2B, but Villar can also be the LH platoon option at 2B if they choose to use La Stella as the lefty DH, with Wade in the OF.
Kapler is a guy that could surely utilize a 30yo switch hitting utility guy that still has some real speed and power, and Villar should be able to see that the Giants make the most out of their role players.
Villar is also a better option defensively over Flores and La Stella, and injuries WILL happen, so having a guy that just played 150+ games with 18 HR, .250/.322/.416 with 14 SB, 18 doubles, and 2 triples while starting for the Mets last year, a role he was filling in for.
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