12:42 PM: Though he made no express commitments, Sternberg made his disappointment with the Executive Council’s decision clear. When asked explicitly if he’d explore moving the franchise out of the Tampa Bay region, Sternberg neither confirmed nor denied that such an idea had entered into his plans, stating that club brass “will see how the stands look this year…to help inform us as we move forward” but that they had been “all-in on this plan” and had “completely pushed our chips in.”
The owner also made a bit of news in disclosing that he’s privy to full-season proposals currently being put together by both the city of Tampa and Pinellas County (home to St. Petersburg) but expressed doubts about the long-term viability of either (it isn’t clear if Tampa’s full-season proposal involves the same Ybor City site that the split-season proposal did). Though he stated that “the region is willing to and able to and looking forward to supporting us in every way it can” and that he was “certainly going to be exploring things in the Tampa Bay region,” he also expressed doubts that the region could “handle 81 games of baseball…that just hasn’t happened to this point.” Asked directly if Tampa deserves a full-season baseball team, Sternberg responded simply that it “deserves to have baseball.”
Most striking, perhaps, were Sternberg’s comments on the long-term viability of single-city teams, even as he stands alone among owners in major sports in proposing a split-city arrangement. “Partial seasons are going to be the wave of the future in professional sports,” he stated, adding that Montreal has “earned the right to have baseball back.”
11:58 AM: In a blow to principal owner Stuart Sternberg’s attempts to secure a new ballpark in or around the city of Tampa, the Major League Baseball Executive Council officially quashed the Rays’ plans to split time between Tampa and Montreal, reports Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times. MLB had given the Rays permission to explore the ’sister city’ concept in 2019.
The decision puts the Rays future in the Tampa Bay region very much in doubt. As MLBTR explored last week, Tampa mayor Jane Castor expressed her commitment to keeping the Rays in the area but offered only qualified support for a proposed $700MM open-air ballpark in the northeast Tampa neighborhood of Ybor City, stating that the community would be best served by keeping the team in Tampa while all but ruling out the possibility of a significant investment of public funds into the project. The Rays had committed $350MM to the project.
It’s presently unclear whether the Ybor City plan, which called for the construction of a similar park in Montreal to host half the team’s games, is now effectively dead as well. Though unusual, the plan was not unprecedented. In both 2003 and 2004, their final two seasons before relocating to Washington, D.C., the Expos played 22 of their 81 home games at Hiram Bithorn Stadium in San Juan, Puerto Rico while under the stewardship of Major League Baseball; the league bought the team from Jeffrey Loria (who subsequently purchased the Marlins) ahead of the 2003 season.
The Rays’ lease on Tropicana Field — an object of near-universal derision around the game — runs through 2027. It obviously isn’t yet clear what would happen thereafter should the Rays fail to secure a new stadium, but a move to Nashville — where a group calling itself Music City Baseball has attempted to organize both an ownership group and community support for a potential big-league team in the city — could be an entirely live possibility. High-profile individuals associated with the project include former United States Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, former Titans running back Eddie George, and current White Sox manager Tony La Russa.
nats3256
Open air baseball in Florida is a non starter. I remember hours and hours wasted on rain delays when Miami was open.
Rays will be in Vegas before we know it
the outlaw
Better hurry…. The A’s got first dib.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Yeah. It’s definitely going to be one of the 2. Probably whoever’s stadium lease runs out earliest. Unless the A’s get their new stadium. MLB would probably prefer the A’s move there, though. The Rays going all the way to Nevada would force some kind of realignment. I doubt the Blue Jays and Red Sox want to travel all the way the the southwestern are of the country several more times every season.
toycannon
Cleveland to the East, Texas to the Central, Las Vegas Rays to the West.
48-team MLB
Las Vegas Rays? No. Change the name to either Vipers or something related to extraterrestrials.
Digdugler
Las Vegas Lizard People.
48-team MLB
I suppose I could allow “Las Vegas Geckos.”
Pick from these three…
Las Vegas Vipers
Las Vegas Geckos
Vegas Flying Saucers
Vickers
Expansion, and therefore realignment, is inevitable.
If neither team moves to Vegas, it’s probably first on the list for expansion. If the Rays can’t move to the heart of Tampa where they have a chance at receiving support, I’d love to see them relocate to a city in the south, Nashville, Charlotte, or Richmond for example. This would hurt the Florida rivalry, but would definitely help to grow baseball some in the south by adding a true rival for the Braves (assuming divisions are realigned based on proximity).
Instead of moving the A’s out of NorCal, adding two teams on the west side of the Mississippi (Vegas plus Mexico City, Salt Lake, San Antonio, Portland) helps with a potential East vs West structure that resembles basketball.
baseballpun
The Las Vegas Craps
Bart Harley Jarvis
The Las Vegas Degenerate Gamblers.
Vizionaire
houston to the central.
meckert
Las Vegas Wiseguys
johnnieleeboo
PropBets or Losers
–oh, that’s redundant.
How about Fixers?
You could bring Alberto Gonzales back in. He’d be an asset.. He’s a VERY persuasive negotiator.
l9ydodger
Las Vegas Gamblers
Pete Rose part owner?
One Bite Hotdog
They’d have to change the name of the team. Rays on the Atlantic makes sense. Rays Vegas, not so much.
Spanky McFarland
Las Vegas Lizzy Lappers
stymeedone
How bout the Las Vegas Vultures?
48-team MLB
@stymeedone
That actually isn’t too bad but I would have to see the logo and uniform design.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
How can we have an inevitable expansion when we can’t get a collective bargaining agreement? I can see relocation but don’t see expansion any time soon.
Gwynning
Vegas Rays would be Sun Rays
48-team MLB
@Gwynning
BORING
I would have them become the San Jose Pterodactyls before the Las Vegas Rays…and teams named after dinosaurs are extremely rare (Toronto Raptors are the only one I can think of).
Pads Fans
MLB doesn’t want any teams moving out of the 6th largest TV market. That would cost them millions per year per team.
Gwynning
Eh, I was responding to One Biter in that the Vegas Rays “could” work… but they’re not moving to Vegas regardless.
PKCasimir
Richmond has a population of 225,000 with no wealthy suburbs. It has no money, and the state isn’t about to finance a stadium there. It’s not even the largest metropolitan area outside of Northern Virginia. That’s the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area which has a population of around 1 million. It also can’t support a MLB team.
Fever Pitch Guy
Based on Sternberg’s comments and decisions made over the past few years, it almost seems like he wants extremely low attendance so he can use it as an excuse to either force a new publicly funded stadium or move the team out of state.
It’s not just the high ticket prices, it’s dumb decisions like making the Trop the first cash-free sports venue in North America. It was an awful decision, not just because 25% of the country still uses only cash. Even those who have debit and credit cards don’t like handing it to some strange guy at the parking lot gate, or using it at concession stands.. If you bring a kid to the game, it’s common to hand them $10 so they can get themself something to eat. What parent is gonna hand their credit card to their kid? Taking away options such as cash is a major turnoff for many, and no doubt contributed to poor attendance.
And speaking of concessions, last time I checked the Rays had the worst food safety record in MLB with a staggering 241 violations in just one season. Again, if you want fans to come to the park they need to know they will be in a safe environment where they can buy food and beverages without risking their health.
802Ghost
I think A’s stay in Oakland, Rays move to Charlotte and Nashville (NL) and Vegas (AL) get expansion teams.
48-team MLB
What are the team names? You need three names because “Charlotte Rays” does not work.
Rsox
Charlotte Rays totally works
“Girls! Girls!! Girlllsss!!!”
alwaysgo4two
Well said. He’s the most clueless owner in baseball.
He has no idea how to connect with the fans, and everytime he talks, he rips into the very fans he’s trying to attract. Bad owner….bad stadium…bad location. Excellent team and a front office that continually pumps out officials who know how to run a team.
Sky14
I doubt going cashless is having much effect on attendance. Going to venture a guess you are over 50.
fljay73
Expensive? The Rays are in the bottom third in ticket prices. I pay for the $500 use it how I want to season ticket plan. I also get about $80 on my Rays account to use it how I want at games. I am willing to walk so I only pay for parking at games that start before 5pm weekdays. I don’t live in St Pete but in Dade City.
therealryan
According to you over 90% of NFL and MLB teams “want extremely low attendance,” since 26 of 30 MLB tams and 31 of 32 NFL teams have cashless stadiums. The Rays are also the 3rd least expensive MLB team according to Fan Cost Index. They put the price for a family of four to attend at $179, where the MLB average is $253.
ldoggnation
How about the”Indians”. No one is using that one.
Gwynning
And next… coming up to the stage, Charlotte Rae!!
Fever Pitch Guy
cannon – They won’t break up the Rangers and Astros,
Colorado to the NL Central, Pittsburgh to the AL East, and Tampa/Vegas to the NL West.
toycannon
Rays, as in sun rays, work just fine for Vegas.
Fever Pitch Guy
Sky – How do you know I’m not a teenager, most of whom do not have a credit or debit card? What about the millions of low income people who also don’t have a debit or credit card, how do you know I’m not one of them?
Also plenty of people believe the push to a cashless society is just another way for Big Brother to spy on civilians. And the more plastic is used, the greater chance of fraud and account number theft occurring. I’ve already had two of my credit cards comprised multiple times, it’s a nightmare when it happens.
The vast majority of kids receive their allowance as cash. Last year you couldn’t even buy tickets at the box office, they had to be bought online. And you don’t think that requirement had a negative impact on ticket sales? Seriously?
Nobody likes having options taken away from them, especially when it’s their preferred option that’s the one being taken away.
$crewBaLL
if the stadium is placed close to the US boarder. the aliens would make perfect sense as the team name.
Rsox
Pittsburgh to the AL East? Trying to ensure the Pirates never have another winning season ever?
Fever Pitch Guy
Rsox – The Pirates will rise again, they won’t stay down forever. The Cubs, Astros, Red Sox and Royals were really bad for a period of time and they managed to turn things around. Geographically it does make sense, does it not?
And right now the AL East has 4 ridiculously talented teams, moving one of the division’s best would give more opportunity for every other team – including Baltimore – to win a few more games.
mmyechoandbunnymen
“Rays” don’t really imply “Manta Rays” anymore. It’s more a sun ray for the sunshine state thing. In that case, and potentially regardless, Rays definitely fit in Vegas where they literally have flamingos outside casinos as a flex.
Win Cor
Flush LOL! …not gonna happen. They need to move to the hear of Tampa not be on the other side of the metropolis joined by a 2 lane bridge
Pads Fans
No team will go to Las Vegas. Here is why.
oaaa.org/Portals/0/Public%20PDFs/OAAA%202021%20NIE…
Portland, Charlotte, Nashville, Indy, San Antonio, and even Salt Lake City will have MLB teams first.
Its ALL about the TV money.
Steinbrenner2728
I honestly don’t get the love B*ner most “fans” get with a Las Vegas MLB team, we all already know the Raiders will move again by 2027/2028 and the “Vegas Golden Knights” are doing “well” because a hockey team playing in a 17000-seat arena is easy to do for most cities. the best west-coast location for a MLB expansion/relocation is Sacramento in my opinion (which is also where I’m predicting the Raiders will move to next, as a matter of fact).
smuzqwpdmx
I’d love a team in Sacramento, but it’s not going to happen. The River Cats draw well for a AAA team, but not that amazingly. The only real potential stadium sites are across the river in West Sac (where the River Cats play), which would crush traffic through a few bridges creating the same problem the Rays have… plus the bulk of Sacramento’s suburban population is spread out for 30 miles on the east side, not the west side. And Sacramento’s downtown just isn’t dense enough for an MLB team — the skyline is like 5 buildings, the millions of people in the metro are spread over a huge area.
And the Kings haven’t exactly been a huge success despite their lack of competition and small footprint and air conditioning.
misterb71
I don’t doubt that MLB in Tampa is a fading memory before the decade is over, but I don’t think they have a shot at moving to Las Vegas. I’d be willing to wager MLB works to keep the team east of the MIssissippi — think Montreal, Nashville, Memphis or Charlotte. The only way that franchise ends up on the other side of the Mississippi is if MLB gets daring and tries Mexico City.
48-team MLB
Take your pick…
Charlotte Knights
Memphis Hound Dogs
Nashville Bandits (“Stars” is not creative)
New Orleans Gators
Raleigh Reapers
Buffalo Bisons
Gwynning
Buffalo Wings… and Bison is plural, just fyi.
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@Gwynning
We can just go with the NY relocation plan I had reserved for the Mets…
Rochester Rabbits
Gwynning
I do appreciate your passion 48, but there is a “less-than-zero” chance on the Mets relocating in the next 30 years plus.
48-team MLB
Unfortunate for their cursed franchise and fan base
Fever Pitch Guy
Gwynning – It is amazing how many people don’t have a grasp of the English language.
Such as those who think the plural of RBI is RBIs, they think the plural of “Run Batted In” is”Run Batted Ins”.
StPeteStingRays
Get over yourself! You are dead wrong. The plural of RBI is RBIs.
RBI stands for Runs batted in, NOT Run batted in. Making it plural doesn’t mean Run batted ins.
It’s amazing how many people don’t grasp the English language as well as they thought….
RBIs
48-team MLB
@StPeteStingRays
Then it should be “RsBI” since “runs” is the plural word.
48-team MLB
@Fever Pitch Guy
The MLB team from the 1800s as well as the current minor league team both are called the Buffalo Bisons.
48-team MLB
Besides, “Sox” isn’t exactly proper English.
Fever Pitch Guy
StingRay – You are embarrassing yourself.
You just admitted the plural of Run Batted In is Runs Batted In, so why would you put an “s” at the end after the word “in”? Because that’s exactly what you’re doing when you write or say “RBIs”.
If you have more than one JP, do you say “Justice of the Peaces” or “Justices of the Peace”?
If you have more than weapon, do you say “Weapon of Mass Destructions” or “Weapons of Mass Destruction”?
If you have Randy Arozarena and Jonathan India in a room together, do you call them “Rookie of the Years” or “Rookies of the Year”?
Is that enough examples or do you need more? LOL
StPeteStingRays
Wrong again! RBI stands for Runs Batted In, NOT Run batted in. Try harder.
48-team MLB
“Runs Batted In” are three separate words. That’s what you fail to understand. The first word becomes plural, not the last.
mgomrjsurf
Miami/Tampa Bay have Domes and Orlando doesn’t but has Disney,a Stadium called Cracker Jack Stadium that just needs Fences moved back and if were to get a Expansion Team Pat Williams could be part of Ownership Team. if wants to come out of retirement.
Rangers29
Thank god. Now actually build a stadium in Tampa.
dvmin98
Hello Charlotte!
ericm25
I thought that the expos relocated to DC after 04 season? so they started in DC in 2005 because Ryan Zimmerman was their 1st draft pick and in fact got called up In sept of 05? I could be wrong but I think they left Montreal after 94 not after 03..anyway I’m glad that mlb did not approve the stupid idea of playing half games in Tampa and the half in Montreal. its one or the other. either play all games In Tampa or just move the frickin team to Montreal and call it a day. smh
ericm25
correction after 04 not 94 lol
Rsox
No you’re correct. Baseball basically left Montreal after ’94…
James Hicks
You’re right, nice catch! Fixed in the article. I should have looked that up instead of trusting my memory.
StPeteStingRays
Correction, the Rays don’t play any games in Tampa.
angt222
I don’t see the Rays staying in St. Pete or the surrounding Tampa area. LV or Nashville bound.
Rick Pernell
Anybody up for naming their All-Time Bust Team? Surely there are bigger busts than Castillo.
GarryHarris
I remember how Todd Van Poppel and David Wright were super hyped. Hideki Irabu was super hyped but he had one good year. Joe Borchard may be the biggest bust I remember.
Brennen
David Wright is not in the bust category. He belongs in the what could’ve been category. Guy still had a great career and if I recall was dubbed Captain America for his contributions in the WBC. Come on guy, let’s get a feel here.
GarryHarris
I meant David Clyde. I fight with my phone’s autocorrect.
8791Slegna
Brandon Wood and Dallas McPherson
JCL10
Matt Wieters….
Cosmo2
Wieters was pretty good for a bit. Can’t really call him a bust.
johnrealtime
To make it specific to a a team, Corey Patterson and Felix Pie immediately come to mind
coolhandneil
Jerome Walton
vtadave
Zach Lee and Darren Dreifort
dasit
we should define bust. if bust includes injuries, brien taylor is number 1. if bust is simply a failure to produce, jesus montero is number 1 (yankees only)
Fonzo2
Delmon Young, hands down
Gwynning
I was going to mention Delmon so I’ll suggest Mark Appel instead. I have a hard time counting any injuries/injured as “busts”…
stymeedone
Tim Corcoran OF, Detroit. Led all of spring training in HRs, and then proceeded to only hit 1 all season, but when he did, it was off the facing of the third deck at Tiger Stadium. and poof, he was gone!
CCCTL
That this comes out the day after the A’s plan advances in Oakland does not seem to be a coincidence. It lets the league look like its Doing Important Things while wrapped in the CBA negotiations.
DonOsbourne
I have a hard time believing Sternberg was ever serious about splitting time between Tampa and Montreal. Even when the Expos were good, they didn’t draw. Montreal also had no interest in building a publicly funded stadium back then. What has changed?
Ducey
The Expos were a good draw when they were good. They had a couple of seasons of over 2 million fans. And they had a ton of support across Canada.
But you are right, holding up the City for a stadium deal in Montreal would not work. The City took 30 years to pay for Olympic Stadium. They are not doing that again soon. Especially for a 1/2 time team.
It was a bluff the whole time
66TheNumberOfTheBest
He could have gotten two RSN deals out of it. Two sets of corporate sponsors. That was his plan.
drtymike0509
2 stadiums funded, the list goes on. Then do 2 or 3 years of profit and sell all of it. Everything I read says he is a great businessman so I expect nothing less…
48-team MLB
Good. No team should ever split time between two cities. Having a stadium in the middle of the ocean would be less absurd.
agentx
Hmmm, the Rays… stadium in the middle of the ocean? You may have something there.
For Love of the Game
Is that a “global warming” wisecrack lol?
johnrealtime
Why is it so absurd? The Jaguars basically split between Jacksonville and London. Spread the baseball around, have double the fan base
Ducey
If the team is going to pay for 2 stadiums maybe, but Montreal needs a new stadium and is not going to pay for it any more than Tampa is.
Sternberg coming to MTL and asking them to pay for a stadium for a team 1/2 the time, and under constant threat of moving full time to Tampa would be absurd.
A terrible bluff. No one in Canada bought it. Apparently Tampa didn’t either.
johnrealtime
That’s fair. I was moreso responding to the original poster saying the concept of splitting between two cities being ridiculously absurd. I agree that it probably wasn’t practical with both cities in this case not having a workable stadium
Rsox
Two places in two different countries that don’t want to watch the Jaguars…
Appalachian_Outlaw
Agreed, this idea was never going to work. I’m glad it was shot down. If they thought they had a hard time retaining players on a shoestring budget, imagine trying to pitch guys on playing in 2 countries for 40ish games each in addition to all of the travel for road games.
I haven’t seen the future, but I know this ain’t it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Splitting time between two cities would drive ticket sales way up, so from a business perspective it’s a great idea. But there’s too many negatives from other perspectives.
Imagine being a player, you think they are gonna want to live in two separate homes? What about their children, they are gonna attend two different schools? From a logistics standpoint it’s not feasible.
smuzqwpdmx
Eh, most of the time their permanent home and families are near their spring training site anyway. What percentage of players live in their “home” city?
Fever Pitch Guy
smuz – During the regular season, the players all have a home near their home park. Pedroia would talk about living so close to Fenway that he’d walk to the park.
Do they have a second home for the offseason, usually in a warm weather area? Certainly. But unless their primary home is in the Tampa area, they would be juggling three homes at once..
Did you think players live out of hotels for 8-9 months of the year?
Pete'sView
Even after building a perennial contender, Tampa does not support nor deserve the Rays. Too bad they’re locked in till 2027. After that, adios.
48-team MLB
They should move to TN or NC…and obviously change the name.
theodore glass
They don’t even play in Tampa sir.
UGA_Steve
Why even bring this up. It’s a tired argument has no real bearing on the issue.
Yes, the Rays technically play in St. Pete. But that’s actually a good thing.
1) They are in the most affluent area in the entire Tampa/St. Pete metro area (Pinellas County).
2) They are in the area with the most spendable income
3) Getting to their games from Manatee County and even Sarasota is not as bad as many teams fan bases.
4) Getting to their games from the western half of Tampa Bay is tolerable.
5) Getting to their games from the Eastern half of Tampa is nowhere near as bad as people make it out compared to I don’t know .. trying to drive into Downtown Atlanta for a game. .
Basically, the majority of their realistic fan base can get to the games more quickly than many other MLB teams, they just choose NOT to. The Bucs can’t even sell out and their stadium is in Tampa, with one of the best teams in the NFL.
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User 4245925809
“5) Getting to their games from the Eastern half of Tampa is nowhere near as bad as people make it out compared to I don’t know”
Getting to a 7pm game from Polk, or orange county isn’t some quick stroll. I4 may have 6 lanes now, but rush hour is a major backup and that useless bridge which must be crossed to get to St pete is a nightmare anytime close to rush hour.
It’s 2hrs from where we are to get to a game in St Pete and not that far away in Polk co. Traffic backed up is most of it. Played in Tampa? most of it would be eased.
I love it when read all the excuses saying positives for the team being on the wrong side of the bay, yet they never draw regardless of them.
Team is lost? St Pete and Pinellas county honchos will be the ones to blame for having never allowed the breaking of that lease.
UGA_Steve
Seriously man. The locations you are mentioning are not the ‘eastern half of Tampa’. The center of Polk County is about 40 minutes from downtown Tampa if they cleared the roads for you and you were the only car. The center of Orange is about an hour. Of course it is a bad drive for you, but it’s not realistic to expect otherwise. That being said I get your argument.
I will retract my above post though as stats do not tell the whole story. Just chatted up some friends living in Sarasota and even they think it should be in Tampa. The new growth is to the north and east of Tampa and more people would come to games from those areas than the Rays would lose in fans from the St Pete area. At least that’s the summation they gave me of a 30 minute chat.
I can’t really fault St. Pete for fighting to keep them. Is it really that much difference losing them to Tampa as it would be to say .. Nashville?
User 4245925809
Steve.. know more about Tampa and am a lot more familiar with Florida than you think.. Born in CF when it was the citrus industy of the country and remember when most of this county was nothing but Orange groves.. yeah, I’m old and also worked for several years down off Bears AVE managing a store before retiring. Not exactly on the eastern side of Tampa.
Pretty familiar with transit times past and somewhat present. NOTHING will shorten the continual traffic delays, especially accidents on that bridge from u know where that has to be crossed when venturing to St petersburg. There is no way to sugarcoat it.
Several earlier ideas were nice for a proposed stadium, such as the one on the waterfront, which was nixed. The 1 at the old fairgrounds which land was used for other purposes.
It would and could all come together if Sternberg himself would pony up the cash in it’s entirety, then it would also be in an area where can be sure best chance of getting the best attendance and my money is on a Hillsborough locale.
balloonknots
Pinellas county should not let them walk and when they tried Stu wanted money from the redevelopment of the field shady owner. Also if Rays want to leave let them – mlb will still want a team in this top 10 TV market – central west FLorida and growing faster than most of America – Basic economics. Stu is not putting money for any new stadium he wants a city to gift him one. Pls tax payers know you have leverage and do not cave in. The team will loose in long term if they move. Pray Stu leaves and we get an owner who cares about your community like the other sports franchises in Tampa. People don’t go cause of poor community relations.
Fever Pitch Guy
The biggest reason for the poor attendance will always be the simple fact that the team is relatively new and the area is loaded with transplants that maintain their allegiance to other teams. If you’re a baseball fan from the northeast and you move to the Tampa area, you’re not gonna switch your allegiance to the Rays. It’s just not happening.
And the Rays are darn lucky to be in the AL East, as plenty of Sox and Yankee fans attend their team’s games in the Trop up to 10 times a year. That’s a quarter of the home schedule against two of the most popular teams in MLB.
Not to mention all the Jays fans from Dunedin who also attend up to 10 games a season.
cheesesteak
Getting there from Pasco and Hernando is horrible. They should locate at the fairgrounds by the Hard Rock. Build a Ferg’s next to it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Johnsilver – You say you were “born in centerfield” …. that’s a story I’d really like to hear more about!
Codeeg
What do you mean? The Yankees-Rays games are always full. Lol
jimmertee
This is ALL about money. Period. Expansion means big fees. The greedy ones want to derail anything that would stop those big fees. That means no team sharing, no teams moving etc. #MLB #expansion #Montreal #Tampa
tigerdoc616
Time for Tampa to put up or shut up. Get the Rays a new stadium or let them leave, even if that means letting them out of their stadium lease early. This has gone on long enough. Trop is a dump and not a worthy MLB stadium. IF Tampa does not want to do what it takes to keep them, then don’t stand in their way.
inkstainedscribe
If local fans won’t support the team, local taxpayers certainly shouldn’t.
Rsox
As a tax payer these days i would rather support financing a new stadium than having my tax dollars go to some political nonsensical agenda that only serves to make society worse in the long run
mfm4200
you mean like desantis’s goon squad?
or his dozens of “anti woke” nonsense laws?
or shoot, him and his fellow fans existing in the first place?
cause yeah, i’d rather fund a stadium than use tax money to support treason.
tigerdoc616
That ignores the reality that the Trop is a dump and that is in large part why local fans do not go to games. Yes, the quality of the stadium does matter.
alwaysgo4two
Yea! Thanks for saying it. A dump in the middle of a low income, no action area. Inside, no atmosphere and very sterile. And don’t forget about the forgettable catwalks. An embarrassment.
drtymike0509
Location, location, location. if it was in Hillsborough County any where near the city limits the per game attendance would be much better. Not saying it would set any records but the avg fan who had nothing to do would be much easier to pull as opposed to having them drive to St Pete in rush hour traffic. I did it for years as a season tix holder and had a route down to get there in 20 mins but it didn’t always work. Pinellas County has held them hostage for as long as they even thought about a new location. They would rather have them them move than give them to Tampa even though it is better for both if they don’t leave…
Pads Fans
Its time for Sternberg to put up or shut up. Its not on the taxpayers to provide a billionaire with a ballpark.
They will not get out of their lease early unless they pay a ton of money. That is also on Sternberg.
30 Parks
Vive les Expos!
ajrodz1335
Bruh, I don’t understand the hate fire this team, people want them to leave TB so bad but they just need a new better located park and, somehow a better spending owner. Montreal is a NO, LV is for expansion, Nashville is for expansion and Charlotte is for expansion. THE RAYS ARE FOR TAMPA!
slider32
Poor attendance and revenues!
ajrodz1335
St. Pete sucks, idk how many times it has to be said. The area literally sucks
Bart Harley Jarvis
I wouldn’t necessarily single out Tampa. You could include the entire state of Florida while you’re at it.
drtymike0509
As a season tix holder from the beginning the area is 1000x better than it was in the late 90s. It has apartments, restaurants and condos and actual people around. When compared to the early days when it was a literal wasteland with nothing but empty buildings on central other than Fergs and the police station
alwaysgo4two
Meanwhile the roads are full of new incoming Floridians….but yes, you’re smarter than everyone else.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Thanks, dude!
mfm4200
you mean the same floridians certain horse face women in congress want to ban from voting?
at least those folks will raise the i.q. levels a bit (of course, the people outside the liberal cities will still be at zero, so….).
Bart Harley Jarvis
mfm,
Thank you for the nonsensical word salad. Good stuff!
agentx
Follow the money… and the baseball establishment cronies. Nashville looks to me to have an edge on Charlotte, with La Russa one of the Nashville group’s a significant selling point in the Selig-Manfred contingent’s eyes.
ajrodz1335
And what about the home of two pro sports team and one of the fastest growing cities in the nation: TB
slider32
Great, that was a bad idea! Tampa, Miami, and Oakland could be moved if they don’t get a new stadium. I like Nashville for Tampa, and Montreal /Vegas for the Marlins/ Oakland. The MLB needs to add 2 more teams by 24. Charlotte, Vegas, Montreal, Portland, and Indi !
theodore glass
You realize the Marlins got their new ballpark in 2012 right?
slider32
Poor attendance, MLB should make both sites spring training sites and buy the facilities for development teams. Let the colleges use the field for their games.
Maclunkey
Miami does not need a new stadium. Give me a break
Codeeg
Lol the way Miami mismanaged all that money they got from tax payers on the likes of Carlos Zambrano and Jose Reyes just to trade them all away for Derek Jeter to manage it like the As manage their team.
DarkSide830
rats
duffys cliff
Are the Rays going to move to Nashville or Charlotte? I’m leaning towards Charlotte, but they’re both likely destinations…
toycannon
How about Memphis geta a team for once instead of Nashville?
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Memphis Hound Dogs. That was nearly an NFL franchise in the ‘90s.
8791Slegna
They did. The Grizzilies.
Rsox
Memphis has the Grizzlies.
However, i will support your idea only if the team can be named the Memphis Belles
Monkey’s Uncle
Name them the Memphis Barbecue. Even if the team isn’t any good I’m going to games just for the food.
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@Monkey’s Uncle
The Memphis Coals?
AlienBob
Of the teams looking for an expansion franchise, I believe Portland is the farthest along. They have an ownership group, the money and a site. They signed a 6 month Letter of Intent with the Port of Portland for a 45 acre location on the river that would be similar to the Howard Terminal development in Oakland. Environmental reviews are underway.
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@AlienBob
Portland Thunderbirds
AlienBob
They have put the kibosh on the Native American symbol thing. It might be Portland Beavers, the traditional name.
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“Beavers” by itself is not very creative. They need to add something else in there even if “Beavers” is still in the name.
AlienBob
I think they go with something more contemporary. Perhaps, Portland Riot or my favorite the Portland Aliens. Chinooks would be good but it again has Native American roots.
Portland Rays would work if the Tampa team moves to the NW. There are Stingrays in the Pacific. I would hate to see the Rays in Portland. They deserve to suffer a few years with an expansion franchise. There will be a big rivalry with Seattle so the MLB will probably put them in the same division to get those 19 inter-division games.
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Portland Hammerheads
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The division would be Seattle, Portland, Anaheim and Oakland/Las Vegas. The two Texas teams would be in a division with Kansas City and Colorado (after switching leagues).
AlienBob
I think Vancouver BC has a good shot. They could play in BC Place right now. The city doesn’t seem too motivated, however.
Johnmac94
Portland Crackheads
Gwynning
Portland Police State
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Portland Craters
smuzqwpdmx
Portland Not-The-One-In-Maines. Or just Oregonians.
mike156
A lot packed in there. MLB wants consistency when it comes to putting their hands into the taxpayer pocket, and if Tampa isn’t going to cough up, someone else will. And MLB wants to keep open Montreal as a possible destination for an expansion team, which makes for a lot of fees. And the possibility of Montreal all also makes for better negotiating position for team owners looking for the sweetest sweeteners. I also think MLB does not want to give up on Florida/leave it to only one team. The other big states (California, Texas, Illinois, PA, OH and NY) all have at least two teams. If I’m MLB, while it’s a little grubby to be playing this game while trying to get the players to take less, staying consistent probably means a tremendous amount of money.
rememberthecoop
Not saying this split arrangement was a good idea or that I’d personally be in favor of it (not that it matters what I think)…however I’m just wondering WHY did it get quashed? Did they just say no without explanation?
hoof hearted
TB was a poor choice from the get go. Got to figure they didn’t do any market research about interest of the fans. If they did, they misread the data.
DonOsbourne
Tampa was a destination used by several teams to gain leverage over their home cities in stadium negotiations during the early 90’s. They got a little caught up in the hype and constructed the stadium before actually securing a team. I think they basically guilted MLB into giving them an expansion franchise.
rememberthecoop
I do not buy that at all. These billionaires don’t get “guilted” into anything. You don’t get to where these businessmen have gotten to with that kind of mindset.
smuzqwpdmx
At the time the decision was finalized in 1995, it wasn’t so obvious what an unpopular stadium the Trop would be. The retro parks fad was just getting started and the retractable shoebox roof designs hadn’t begun.
agentx
I recall there being some concerns in the press that with the significant percentage of the local population from other places, even the diehard baseball fans who were already in Tampa before the Devil Rays arrived might not abandon their once-hometown teams in other markets to follow an expansion franchise.
I do not remember as much written or said about the lack of local corporate headquarters and business community support, which is often critical to the financial success of sports franchises and major-league quality venues.
Rsox
Baseball tried following the mass expansion template the NHL used in the 90’s. The NHL added 5 expansion teams between 1991-’93 and 4 more between 1998-’00 (relocating 4 teams in between).
Baseball officially announced expansion into Miami and Colorado in 1990 and in 1994, just a year after the Marlins and Rockies played their first seasons formed another expansion committee, while Arizona and Tampa were announced in 1995 apparently the field of 9 possible cities also included Orlando, Northern Virginia, Washington D.C., Nashville, Buffalo, Charlotte, and Vancouver. Sacramento, which bid for a team in the previous expansion did not try the second time around.
Washington now has a team. We see Nashville and Charlotte mentioned as possible destinations for the Rays. Orlando, i believe would have the same attendance issues that plague the Marlins/Rays so we may still be having this conversation anyway. Buffalo, Northern Virginia, and Vancouver are rarely mentioned for anything these days.
I don’t think it was a case of “misreading the data” as much as i don’t think anyone thought that 25 years later the Rays would still be playing in the place originally dubbed the “Thunderdome”, which was already a relic when it opened when everyone else was getting brand new facilities, especially in the early 2000’s
Pads Fans
Orlando is owned by the Rays. The biggest reason for the attendance issues for the Rays is where they play and where they play. Where the Trop is located is a nightmare to get to, its in a bad area of town, and once you get there the stadium stinks.
Monkey’s Uncle
I don’t get why the idea of splitting games between Tampa and Montreal was met with such resistance. I mean, the two cities are almost right next to each other. Montreal is practically a suburb of Tampa, much like St. Pete. Well, give or take 1300 miles or so… but I mean, it’s not like Montreal is in a whole different country or anything…
/extreme sarcasm alert
Ducey
Hey its 2400 kilometers. Thats nothing.
agentx
2400 kilometers and just one system of measurement away!!
manfraud
Not surprising
Tom
If Sternberg—or any other pro sports team owner—wants a new stadium, PAY FOR IT. Stop begging the public to fund your billion-dollar industries. Or, make the proposals fair…you want X percentage of tax-payer dollars toward a new stadium? Fine, then the public coffers get filled with the exact same percentage of revenues generated at that stadium. Ticket sales, concessions, parking, advertisements, etc., until every dime—plus interest, much like a mortgage—is paid back to the tax payers.
Pete'sView
If the Giants ownership could do it, I don’t understand why others can’t. Taxpayers should not foot the bill—or at the very least get paid back for their contribution.
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Add these five teams immediately…and don’t whine about NC and TN getting two teams because Ohio has two teams.
Charlotte Knights
Memphis Hound Dogs
Nashville Bandits
New Orleans Gators
Raleigh Reapers
l9ydodger
Bangor, Maine The Bangor Bangers
Edp007
The Bangor Bongs
Gwynning
Bingo Bangor Bongos
Old York
Move the team to Tokyo and build up MLBs presence in Asia. Get a few more teams in S.Korea, Japan, Taiwan & India.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Do we need the permission from these countries to overwhelm and replace their own professional baseball leagues? Or do we just do it without discussion? I’m just asking a question.
Old York
Well, if this was prior to the 2000s, I’d be asking you if America ever asks other countries for permission. But, you have a point, considering the culture nowadays. We have to ask before we’re allowed to do something.
agentx
Hot take, York.
MLB has a long history of not signing overseas players already signed to NPB contracts, dating back to the 1950s.
Old York
Why would the league be signing players? The league doesn’t sign players. Teams sign the players.
agentx
Yes, teams sign players. And any team seeking even the slightest advantage by signing overseas players already signed to NPB would have done so were it not for an understanding and/or negotiation between the MLB, the NPB, and each league’s member teams.
I realize you’re just trolling but figured I’d waste just a little more time responding to your comment so you can feel a little better about yourself. Consider those moments of my time a gift.
Old York
So, how would moving a team to Tokyo, result in them signing players already on contract?
Pete'sView
Cody Gutcher – Well, usually, we just barge in and do what we want. It’s very American, like the hot dog. Let’s everyone get out our flag.
HalosHeavenJJ
What a travel nightmare. Can you imagine the Yanks playing a 3 game set in Tokyo, then three in Seoul, then flying for 18 hours to get home?
That’s even a 12+ hour flight for the West Coast teams.
Gwynning
You’d almost have to play the 9 or 10 road games in one chunk… the true nightmare would be for the Tokyo team having to travel out more frequently. Not going to happen any time soon!
Rsox
Six more seasons really isn’t that long and if relocation is on the horizon will probably fly by.
Not to sound sexist but it seems Oakland and Tampa both seem to have one thing very much in common: female Mayors that grossly underestimate/under value the economic importance teams have to their respective communities. Sports bring tourism, tourism brings money to hotels, shops, restaurants. All star games be it MLB or NBA, Super Bowls those are all huge infusions of cash to local economies that they are willing to let walk away. I have to believe San Diego would take the Chargers back in a heart beat if they could. New stadiums bring renewed interest to the teams as well as no business opportunities for the city. Offering “qualified support” makes none of that happen
Ducey
Given the fact they are female has nothing to do with it, yeah, you do sound sexist
agentx
And don’t forget San Diego’s female mayor Kevin Faulconer and how she let the Chargers leave!!
StPeteStingRays
“Not to sound sexist”…. Oops, too late
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah chicks, right?
Pads Fans
It doesn’t just sound sexist, your comment is sexist. There were male mayors in both of those town and the taxpayers still voted down paying for ballparks for billionaires.
Old studies. Findings still stand
brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-s…
digitalcommons.coastal.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?art…
mike156
Not going to get into sexist, but the idea that spending a huge amount of taxpayer money to bring in a professional team so as to boost the local economy has been disproven over and over. It’s a transfer payment from the taxpayer to the team owner, with some side benefits to surrounding business. The city never gets back all the money it puts in. Any officeholder can read that. They may not care–they may want the stadium anyway (or perhaps a few $ flow their way( but over and over again the hyped benefits never appear in full.
Pete'sView
I think Oakland’s (female) mayor has been pretty vocal in favor of a new stadium. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Bart Harley Jarvis
What, no TampMont Ex-Rays? Darn!
whyhayzee
They could move to the Villages and call themselves the Grampa Grays.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Or the Villages Venereals.
StPeteStingRays
Ocala Osteoclasts?
Gwynning
Ocala Osteoclastic Octogenarians, their logo could be the “O” face
whyhayzee
I was trying to save them too many letter changes from their current name but these are good alternatives.
trog
Plenty of good options for relocation. Tampa is such a well run franchise operationally, yet such a dumpster fire for a ballpark and fan base. Nashville, Vegas, San Antonio and Oklahoma City would seem to be prime options.
theodore glass
Ybor City should be the only destination for this team.
Johnmac94
Looking back, St. Pete BUILT IT & THEY CAME, so, they should get something for that. Tampa (and George) could have built it; but now, St. Pete is winning the stare. It will end up in the Vegas Rays and the Cleveland INDIANS in the east.
CrookedAsstros
Finally MLB makes a smart decision. Even broken clocks are right twice a day
Brennen
Florida is a great market, just not for baseball. Not sure who thought it was a good idea to move a major league team into a retirement community nowhere near the city? Montreal had there chance at a franchise. Playoff expansion, Team expansion, and the DH! Let’s go MLB!!
Pads Fans
Worse yet, they moved it into an industrial area that was 20 miles from where people lived.
kreckert
It was a stupid idea. It would’ve had the effect of making the least nationally marketable team in the sport even less so. If Tampa can’t properly support the team then they should move to literally any city that can.
HalosHeavenJJ
Honestly, at first glance I didn’t like the idea. I thought Montreal would be a lateral move. Low attendance, bad ballpark, crappy turf.
But once I looked into the plan I really liked it. Montreal did have good support when the team was managed well and competitive. Plus, scarcity likely helps both markets. You can’t just go another day.
I’m assuming the Rays would’ve landed broadcast deals in Montreal too, adding revenue to the team.
MLB missed out here.
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If they’re going to the East side of Canada then it’s time for Plan B…
Quebec City Snow Owls
Pads Fans
Montreal was out of the bottom 3 in attendance only 3 of its seasons in that city.
NMK 2
Great breakdown of the situation. Much of the issue is caused by ownership, what a surprise.
youtu.be/DeGhcezhvW0
someoldguy
Yes another case of Collusion by the MLB and one of its owners to extort at least $500,000,000 dollars or more out of a city… when are people going to wake up and realize the reason every team in the MLB is worth more than a billion dollars today is because they sucked the money out of the public… just like they did with the ” contraction” plans when they claimed to be contracting the twins and Expos…. its a fraud scheme to extract public money thru extortion…
StPeteStingRays
All I see are ignorant comments about the Tampa Bay region. Most of these yahoos have never even been to the Trop, otherwise they’d know that it’s not in Tampa or a dump.
HalosHeavenJJ
I’d love to know what you think a more accessible ballpark might do for the team. I have one buddy who lives in the area now and he says the ballpark is a bit of a pain for everyone to get to.
StPeteStingRays
JJ: the stadium’s location is the biggest issue. If the team was brought closer to the area’s population center, attendance improves. Tampa supports the Buccaneers and the Lighting, and I have no doubt that Rays would see a remarkable increase in butts in the seats.
Pads Fans
Its a dump. Bad sight lines. So bad they have to cover 30% of the seats with a tarp because of obstructed views. The roof makes it hard to see the ball in the air. Its in an area that was a dump. It is hard to get to with most people living 20 miles or more away. If there is a wreck on any one of the bridges most people have to cross to get there it can take an hour plus if you are lucky.
alwaysgo4two
I’ve been there from the beginning and yes, it’s a dump. If you don’t think that it is, I’d like to know which MLB stadium would qualify as one to you.
NY_Yankee
The idea of the Rays in split cities and especially countries was a bad one. If they cannot make it in south Florida then move the franchise.
StPeteStingRays
South Florida? Is geography taught in this country anymore??
BigFred
“South Florida? Is geography taught in this country anymore??”
Tampa is only half an inch from Miami on my map of North America.
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Tampa is more Central Florida. Miami is South Florida. Jacksonville is North Florida.
NY_Yankee
My mistake. The point remains the Rays cannot draw flies to the Trop, if they cannot get a new stadium then move the franchise
StPeteStingRays
I will enjoy the Rays evicting the Tampa Yankees out of the area.
citizen
can they be like overbaked calis and call it no flo, so flo and cent flo?
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Just make them the Omaha Dragons and call it a day.
Johnmac94
and Eli can do the play by play: “OMAHA, OMAHA, OMAHA”.
citizen
not really surprising. I read cleveland tried this in the early 70s, splitting time between new orleans (with the new superdome) and cleveland. Mlb voted against it arguing the fans in cleveland would be disapointed. They did go on to win 0 world series.
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The New Orleans Gators needs to be a franchise.
Sunday Lasagna
Portland Orcas! killer whale mascot ….chomp, chomp, chomp…..Oregon gets a franchise, the Astros can move to the Central, Cleveland can move to the East and the Yankees won’t have to deal with the Rays anymore. Win, Win, Win
Pads Fans
Portland has a site for their ballpark secured, private financing arranged, and an investment group with the money to run the team well.
They are also in a TV market that ranks 21st, the 3rd largest without a MLB team. Only Sacramento and Orlando are bigger TV markets that don’t have a team. Sacramento is owned by the Bay Area teams and Orlando is owned by the Rays.
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The Mets should also relocate. They can become the San Antonio Scorpions and move to the NL Central. Then Pittsburgh can move back to the NL East.
Sunday Lasagna
California worked out well for the Dodgers and Giants, maybe the Mets go to San Jose, the largest city in Silicon Valley and 3rd largest in California. They can play in Apple Stadium and change from Metropolitans to Microchips. Meet the Mics, Meet the Mics, come on out and greet the Mics!
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There should be a new division full of only expansion teams.
Albuquerque Desert Dogs
Oklahoma City Red Wolves
Omaha Dragons
San Antonio Scorpions
Wichita Warlocks
Sunday Lasagna
The Hawaiian Punches need to be added to the NL West.
paule
Move the Dodgers back to Brooklyn where they had REAL fans.
Johnmac94
All 12, 642 of them, 64 which are still alive.
Pete'sView
Wampum – See, there are two problems with your suggestion: (1) San Jose region is controlled by the Giants; (2) calling them “The Mics” would be considered a slur.
Pads Fans
Rays play in a large TV market, #12 in the US I think, but in a pit of a stadium that is hard to get to for a 7pm game. The area hosts 7 minor league teams that are at the top of the charts in terms of attendance in their level, so its not a lack of baseball fans.
Ybor city is a great spot to build a new ballpark. Easier to get to and closer to the population base. The city of Tampa just doesn’t want to be on the hook for both $350 million to build the park and another $170 million that the Rays billionaire owner is asking for in land, infrastructure, and maintenance on the new park. I don’t blame them.
Unless they are willing to pay market rates for leases, which most have said they are not, billionaire owners should pay for their own ballparks minus any infrastructure needs like roads, power, and water.
Poopscab13
Why is it that the Bucs and Lightning don’t have any of the problems the Rays have? Clearly Tampa Bay is a viable market for a sports team so what’s the issue for the Rays? Is it just stadium location, stadium quality, cheap ownership?
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It’s obvious as far as the Bucs go. They only play once a week. It’s much simpler for people to keep up with that sport than baseball. As for the Lightning, I’m not sure. Maybe it’s because there are a lot of transplants from NY and hockey is big up there.
StPeteStingRays
The Bucs and Bolts play within Tampa’s city limits, while the Rays play an hour away across the bay in St. Petersburg. Move the Rays to Tampa, and the problem is solved
Johnmac94
An HOUR away!?~! It is an HOUR away if you happen to live in St. Pete, unless you walk, then, maybe you can get there in an hour…
raysdude7676
I hope they move in Nashville next year. But probably wont happen for awhile.
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Hear me out…
Hartford Seals
Fever Pitch Guy
48team – Haha …. not a chance with 3 major market teams all within 105 miles of Hartford.
blueboy714
Fortunately cooler heads in MLB rejected this stupid idea. I thought for sure that Manfred would say this is a brilliant plan like he has done with all his other idiotic ideas to improve the game.
Luke Strong
I think the obvious solution is a move to Orlando. It does not alienate the fan base, the team stays in FL. There’s a massive TV market there. I’ve been to Tropicana, it is a hike from Tampa and it feels like an indoor gym. It was the worst environment I have ever watched a professional game in. Baseball is meant to be played in open air parks. They will never draw for as long as they play there.
alwaysgo4two
Indoor gym? You’re being kind. I prefer a baseball warehouse or tin can. The only redeeming factor is the AC. Period.
StPeteStingRays
Open air baseball stadiums won’t work in most places in Florida, especially Tampa Bay. They would set a record for rain delays and heat injuries.
Nothing nicer than walking into the 72° controlled climate on a typical summer day–temps in the 90’s with 100% humidity– to watch a Rays game.
Ga
How about this? We cut out people like Sternberg and take over MLB teams by the cities/ regions? Since taxpayers already pay for new stadiums and development near new stadiums and sewer, energy, roads, trains, etc. why don’t we just own the actual teams we already paid for? Hire a GM and business manager and play ball! All TV and other revenue flows back to taxpayers/fans/players and NONE of our money flows to some little criminal weasel(s). And don’t give me that “socialism” BS. Baseball is already “socialist” — with the sociopathic owners benefiting from taxpayer handouts.
Rsk3228
Come to Charlotte. I would love to have a local team that’s not the Braves.
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What are you calling the team though? If you keep the “Rays” name then you do not deserve a team.
alwaysgo4two
Like I’ve said all along, this bogus red herring scheme was a bunch of BS from the first announcement of it nearly 3 years ago. Montreal is NOT craving for baseball and MLB will not allow a team to leave a burgeoning central Florida market thats expanding daily.
Simply it was an extortion plan by Stu Sternburg, one of the worst owners in baseball. They have a young and exciting team who they only market with print ads…..so much left undone. Sad to see a lackadaisical owner blame the fans for what’s partially his fault.
Hey Stu!!! Show us down here that you give a crap and we just may return the favor. A terrible park in a terrible location.. yep, that’s the fans fault.
leftykoufax
As a Ray’s fan In Tampa ,”build a decent stadium” and I will go!
jdgoat
Have we ever thought of just blowing up the land the Trop is on and sending it adrift in the gulf? Then nobody has to hear about that abomination of a franchise again.
alwaysgo4two
Abomination of a franchise? You mean the AL East winners the past 2 seasons? That abomination? Was there any prior thought before you uttered that crap?
jdgoat
The “AL East winners the past two seasons” just had their plan to play in two separate cities squashed. They certainly sound like a model franchise to me. Maybe this offseason they won’t trade their best players away.
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SERIOUS DISCUSSION: Let’s brainstorm some ideas for Salt Lake City team names. “Salt Lake Silvers” is one I heard somewhere but it seems that we could be a bit more creative.
Gwynning
Salt Lake City Slickers
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We should also come up with an Alaska franchise while we’re at it.
Gwynning
Kodiak Cans or Kodiak Snuff, Juneau What-I-Means, Valdez Spills or Valdez Slicks, Nome Garden Gnomes, Anchorage Aces, Homer Dingers, Fairbanks Fastballs …
Pete'sView
Salt Lake City Mirage.
Sunday Lasagna
2,942 miles from Anchorage to Hokkaido Japan. After the Seattle Mariners, 2,242 miles away, playing against the Nippon Ham Fighters would be the next closest opponent for an Alaskan team…….unless the Ham Fighters relocate to Iowa, they have almost 24 million pigs in Iowa…..tough fight
rond-2
Montreal has “earned the right to have baseball back.” How so??
Bart Harley Jarvis
rond,
Have you been to a Montreal steakhouse or tried a Schwartz’s Deli smoked meat sandwich? That’s all the deserving any of us need.
LebronHatesAsians
It’s absolutely astonishing to me that the Rays play on that field when literally any other field in Florida, any adult baseball field from high school to beer league softball, is nicer than the field that one of the best teams in baseball calls home. How? Howwwwww is that possible in a billion dollar sport?
lumber and lighting
Relocate this franchise.Charlotte,Memphis,Salt Lake City,Las Vegas,New Orleans,& Connecticut off the top of my head.Montreal,Mexico City & Vancouver. All the cities would sell out for a team.TB situation is an embarrassment to the league.
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Relocate them to Egypt or the Congo.
Johnmac94
BUT; in reality, it is NOT a Tampa issue, it is St. Pete that is holding them hostage. St. Pete would rather have 100% of nothing than, say, 10-1`5% yearly PAYOFF. Connecticut! They will spend the next 100 years recovering financially from what the Dodd boys did over the years. Shame, my 8 greats grand uncle founded the place…
Johnmac94
They need to put the new stadium 10 miles to the east of Ybor, then, 3 million people a year can chant “Let’s go (to) Brandon!”.
Johnmac94
Move to the south side of Cleveland, call them the INDIANS, they will out draw the “Cleveland Idiots” by millions. Or move them anywhere else and name them after the list of so-called commissioners of MLB, the Whatever City MORONS.
Mrsuntan
Seems like a lot if the people on here dont live in the area and have no idea what they are talking about.From the economy to the geography to the baseball history to where the most people live to where all the building is taking place ect ect. Just like a bunch of new unwanted trash keeps moving here every day destroying our home and way of life turning it into a northeast shithole like they just escaped from. Get informed, then comment. The Rays will still be in the area 20 years from now. The Lightning sell out EVERY GAME, EVERY YEAR. And the Bucs sell out… when they win (just like m ost cities) the Rays just need to put the stadium in the right place and will be at least middle of the pack attendance wise.
jnorthey
I’m guessing MLB wants Montreal as an expansion team – they have a multi-billionaire who wants to build a new park and has everything lined up. Relocate the Rays and A’s, maybe to Nashville or Charlotte and Vegas, Add a second expansion team to Portland and zip boom bang you have a better MLB setup. Portland would be great for the Mariners as a regional rivalry. The new Expos for the Jays. Nashville/Charlotte for Atlanta. The Marlins would have Florida all to itself thus might get better TV deals and move from joke to viable.
Gets confusing when trying to make divisions. 8 divisions of 4 each, or 4 of 8 each, or 2 of 16 each maybe where the winners get a bye in round 1 and the next 6 each have a 3 game series to determine who gets to round 2.
West: Seattle/Portland/SF/A’s/LAD/LAA/SD/Arizona/Colorado/Texas/Houston/KC/StL/Minnesota/Cubs/ChiSox
East: All others
Brewers are kind of screwed up here as they belong with the 2 Chicago’s and Twins but someone is in that boat and Milwaukee has been the middle child of baseball forever it seems (lost their team once, shifted from AL West to East, shifted to the NL from the AL). I suspect fans there are just happy to get major league baseball in any form.
I like the 16 team format – I hate tiny divisions where you can get crazy situations, ala last year where the Jays came in 4th despite winning over 90 games while Atlanta won their division with 88 wins, and the Dodgers came in 2nd despite 106 wins. Could cut down to 8 team or 4 team divisions if needed (imagining a NYY/NYM/Boston/Philly mega money division).
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The Jays and Braves don’t even play in the same league…and Atlanta finished ahead of two huge markets in their division (Philadelphia and New York). People keep acting as if the Braves play in a division with only small markets. Atlanta had a ton of injuries and a much smaller payroll and the Phillies and Mets still couldn’t beat them. The Braves deserve credit.
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Also, Tampa Bay won the AL East and Toronto obviously has a higher payroll than they do.
MarlinsFanBase
Well, happy to hear about the potential realignment with the next expansion.
Southeast Division of the Eastern League
Marlins
Braves
Rays
Charlotte/Tennesee/New Orleans ???
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@MarlinsFanBase
That would definitely be the alignment. Then the Pirates would join the Mets, Phillies and Nationals.
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Assuming there’s no relocation…
Baltimore, Boston, New York (Yankees), Toronto
Chicago (White Sox), Cleveland, Detroit, Minnesota
Colorado (switched leagues), Houston, Kansas City, Texas
Los Angeles (Angels), Oakland, Seattle, Expansion (Las Vegas/Portland/Vancouver)
New York (Mets), Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington
Chicago (Cubs), Cincinnati, Milwaukee, St. Louis
Atlanta, Miami, Tampa Bay (switched leagues), Expansion (Charlotte/Nashville)
Arizona, Los Angeles (Dodgers), San Diego, San Francisco
mgomrjsurf
Swap Baltimire with Mets..
Centraleast Tigers,Ohio Teams together…
St.. Louis with other Midwes Teams.
All Califirnia Reams together,
48-team MLB
The idea is to not have that many teams switch leagues. Colorado and Tampa Bay had to switch to make the divisions work but none of the other teams need to switch.
MarlinsFanBase
I’m thinking realignment goes something like this:
Eastern League
Div A
Marlins
Braves
Rays
Expansion Team in SE (Charlotte/Tennessee/New Orleans
Div B
Mets
Yankees
Red Sox
Blue Jays
Div C
Nats
Orioles
Phillies
Pirates
Div D
Guardians
Reds
Tigers
Brewers
Western League
Div A
Dodgers
Giants
A’s
Angels
Div B
Cubs
White Sox
Cardinals
Royals
Div C
Padres
D-Backs
Rangers
Astros
Div D
Mariners
Rockies
Twins
Expansion Team (Portland or Vegas)
The main complication is dividing up those teams in the northern Midwest and northern Central. I’m thinking that they won’t divide state rivals or the traditional rivalries like the Cubs and Cardinals, so that may push the Twins out to the NW.
I’m wondering that, with there being 5 teams in California, does MLB approve the A’s moving to another location to balance things for a smoother realignment, and in a better market.
mgomrjsurf
Div D no Brewers same with other Div D no Twins closer to Chicago teams yes St. Louis closer to Chicago Teams but should be with KC/Colorado and Texas Teams.
MarlinsFanBase
It’s a little tricky with Milwaukee and Minnesota. The problem is the Cardinals Cubs rivalry and the state rivalry/connections with the White Sox and Royals.
Due to that, among other possible solutions to keep Minnesota and Milwaukee from being tossed around would be allowing the A’s to relocate and balance out with the 2 new expansions to perhaps move the A’s to Vegas. This becomes the division of Vegas, D-Backs. Astros and Rangers. The Padres replace the A’s in the California grouping. The Brewers, go to the west in the division with the Twins, Rockies and Mariners. The second expansion team is added to Tennessee to join with the Reds, Guardians, and Tigers. The other expansion team is limited to New Orleans or Charlotte to join the Rays, Marlins and Braves.
The new look is as follows:
Eastern League
Div A
Marlins
Braves
Rays
Expansion Team in SE (Charlotte/New Orleans)
Div B
Mets
Yankees
Red Sox
Blue Jays
Div C
Nats
Orioles
Phillies
Pirates
Div D
Guardians
Reds
Tigers
Expansion team in Tennessee
Western League
Div A
Dodgers
Giants
Padres
Angels
Div B
Cubs
White Sox
Cardinals
Royals
Div C
Vegas A’s
D-Backs
Rangers
Astros
Div D
Mariners
Rockies
Twins
Brewers
mgomrjsurf
Oralndo in Southeast if not Jacksonville. Yes to Geographical.