The Rays’ plan of splitting home games between Tampa Bay and Montreal led to quite a bit of debate and controversy since the club first floated the concept in 2019, though after the Rays asked the league for formal approval of the plan in November, the MLB Executive Council officially rejected the two-city proposal yesterday.
Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg said the team’s immediate next step is to again revisit the idea of a new ballpark in the Tampa Bay area, even though multiple attempts at such a project have fallen short over the years. Tampa mayor Jane Castor recently said that her office would be open to any idea that would keep the Rays in town, yet while the city would also be willing to explore alternate ways of funding a ballpark, Castor drew the line at using taxpayer funds, saying “the community’s appetite to pay for a stadium has left the train station.”
In short, it looks like the Rays may essentially be back at square one, given how Sternburg stressed that his organization had been so fully committed to the Tampa/Montreal plan. In fact, Sternburg is still a believer in the two-city idea for not just the Rays, but for teams in both Major League Baseball and beyond, stating that “Partial seasons are going to be the wave of the future in professional sports.”
It isn’t yet known why the Executive Council vetoed the Rays’ idea, though the simple answer could be that there were too many logistical hurdles to make such a two-city concept work. However, just to be purely speculative, it is possible that the league took issue with splitting games between Tampa and Montreal specifically, rather than necessarily vetoing a two-city concept entirely. With more and more cities increasingly reluctant to commit much or any taxpayer dollars towards building new stadium projects, categorically ruling out a “sister city” plan or other creative ideas wouldn’t be logical for MLB, as the league obviously wants all of its teams in revenue-generating ballpark situations.
Maybe the Executive Council could’ve taken a different view of the plan if the Rays had pitched sharing Tampa and a more nearby city like Orlando, rather than a city 1500 miles away and in a different country. In the bigger picture, the Council might also have balked at one team covering two distinct markets, especially since Montreal has often been mentioned as a possible landing spot for an expansion team, or for any other existing teams who might eventually look to switch cities.
In any event, the only option that seems certain is that the Rays don’t see Tropicana Field as a long-term option. The team’s lease at the stadium expires following the 2027 season, and unless the Rays sign a one- or two-year extension to give Tampa or St. Petersburg more time to finish a new ballpark, there is virtually no chance the Rays will still be calling the much-maligned Trop home come Opening Day 2028.
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whyhayzee
Five straight World Championships.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Maybe if they bite the bullet and figure out a way to move to Vegas before next season starts. Not in the Trop, though. If the Rays were smart they would try to move to Vegas right now before the A’s get dibs. It’s obviously going to be the next city to get an MLB team so I would think one of those two teams would have claimed it already to make sure it’s them. The Orioles might want to consider it, too. The Nationals moving right across the street from them ate up most of their fan base. The Rockies could also try. They have a great fan base but it would be more of a move that says Colorado is just too high altitude to have a MLB team that can consistently stay relevant.
Dustyslambchops23
Rockies are usually in the top 10 of attendance, their FO is awful right now but that’s no reason to think about moving them out of Denver
Daniella
If the Rockies ever move it would be to Salt Lake. The Dbacks would move to Vegas
jorge78
Nobody in Las Vegas has even hinted they would pay for a stadium. Same thing here in the Austin/San Antonio area. They could play in the Alamodome but it would need significant alterations.
astros_fan_84
I think it would make more sense to build a ballpark next to the Circuit of the Americas.
Pads Fans
Why would the Dbacks move to a much, much smaller TV market and an area with a smaller population?
Daniella
Vegas has their AL team, the A’s. The Rays should move to a better location in the same area so maybe people will actually show up. Apparently their location is an issue
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If the A’s move to Las Vegas then they need to change their name. Vegas needs its own identity just as D.C. got when the Expos became the Nationals.
drtymike0509
They have moved from Philly to KC to Oakland and have been the Athletics the entire time. There is no reason to change it now if it’s survived the trek across America in a 4th city.
GareBear
As someone who lived in south Florida, the bridge to get to St. Pete can be a nightmare. It bottlenecks traffic so bad and if you have a bunch of people coming over/leaving at the same time to watch a baseball game it simply isn’t worth it. I still think Tampa is viable, or even Orlando which gives more room away from Miami in terms of fanbases, or viable locations in Florida. But that bridge alone kills attendance
brodie-bruce
i agree the one time i went to the trop it sucked just one interstate goes into st. pete or it’s side streets (from what i could tell). the other issue that i think is a problem is that there is nothing but factories and warehouses, from what i could tell there were no bars, restaurants, or shops in the area from what i could tell. i fully believe they could draw people into a stadium located better in tampa, they generally put out a good product and the bucs and bolts seem to have very healthy crowds.
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@drtymike
Maybe the name is the reason they keep relocating.
mgomrjsurf
Yes to Orlando.
Pads Fans
A’s park in Oakland cleared a huge hurdle They will be staying in the 6th largest TV market in the Bay area.
Rays should move to Hillsborough county. Ybor City is ideal.
bettwice2
Downtown St. Pete is roaring. Tons of bars and restaurants directly adjacent to the Trop. That’s definitely not the issue.
MLB-1971
It would be great to see the Tampa Rays become the Las Vegas Gamblers! Maybe the Pittsburg Pirates could join the Al East then Boston, New York, and Toronto could all win 100+games and make the playoffs.
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It’s time to clog up the Central. Add teams in Indianapolis, Columbus, Nashville, Memphis and Louisville.
MLB-1971
…..but seriously, if a team moves to Las Vegas, the stadium better have a retractable roof or be a dome! I lived there 13 years and the temperature starts hitting 100 degrees around May 15th, a couple weeks of 110 in July and August, and does not drop below 100 for high until around October 1st.
I am a huge baseball fan of 50+ years, but did not go to a single AAA game in that weather!
bucsfan0004
@jC#1
There are literally thousands of articles regurgitating the same Las Vegas stadium drawings if youre interested. This link happens to be from a Cubs fan site.. bleedcubbieblue.com/2021/12/3/22815877/athletics-l…
kingken67
The Rays can’t move anywhere until their lease at the Trop is up following the 2027 season. That’s why they haven’t moved anywhere yet despite dismal attendance numbers. And truth be told MLB doesn’t want ANY team moving to Las Vegas because they’d prefer to keep that open for an expansion team later this decade.
Pads Fans
No team is moving to Las Vegas because its the 40th largest TV market in the country and would be the smallest in MLB and about 100,000 TV homes smaller than Cincinnati or Milwaukee. Las Vegas is 200,000 smaller than San Antonio or Salt Lake City. Almost 500,000 smaller than Portland. Lots and lots of places that will get a team before Las Vegas.
brickhaus
Or they’d rather keep Pete Rose banned for life, because they’re totally rational.
MLB-1971
King – thanks
jorge78
Nobody in Las Vegas has even hinted they would pay for a stadium…..
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I still think they stay but get a new stadium at some point. Just think it’s the path of least resistance.
Coast1
I think 2047 will mark the Rays 50th season at the Trop. Meanwhile the Phillies will be looking to replace the stadium that replaced Citizens Bank Park.
bucsfan0004
Who doesn’t like the city of Tampa? Such a great place to visit. But they don’t support/deserve a baseball team anymore. I voted for move the team.
bbcalmc
I live in Clearwater and like it here, but you’re right, they don’t support the team and therefor don’t deserve a ML baseball team. Despite that I hope they rebuild a new stadium and stay in the Tampa area. The stadium is in a bad area and the fact that there is all kinds of baseball being played all around the Tampa area with all the minor league baseball and spring training sights kinda saturates the area. People find other things to do not as expensive or more exciting with all the theme parks in and around the area.
killertofu
No one is from Florida. It’s a grab bag of people from up and down the east coast who all have their own teams. Have you looked in the stands at a Rays game? I lived in Florida for over 20 years supporting the Orioles. Every Rays game is dominated by another opposing team’s fan base even though the Rays have one heck of a franchise. That’s unheard of. That’s the main problem in St. Pete and a new ballpark won’t fix it. The Marlins barely pull in any revenue from that fan base. It’s just the state of Florida. No one is from there.
Fever Pitch Guy
killer – I’ve said the exact same thing many times here. I have ties to the Tampa area, I know it’s very transient. Lots of snowbirds and lots of people who relocated from northern states and Canada. They maintain their allegiances, no Yankees fan or Red Sox fan will switch to being a Rays fan. Why should they when it’s easy for them to attend 10 of their team’s regular season games a year, plus spring training, and watch every one of their team’s games on satellite or streaming.
A brand new stadium will NOT change that, and as proof all you have to do is look further downstate as the Marlins have an absolutely beautiful stadium right in the very popular city of Miami and yet they STILL are among the worst in MLB when it comes to attendance.
brickhaus
I’m a Tampa native and stand by my prior comment.
MLB-1971
Fever – agree 100 percent! Just because you move somewhere does not make you change your allegiance! I moved to the San Diego area and a local practically demanded I ditch the Red Sox cap for the Padres. I just laughed and told him as a 50+ fan of the Red Sox the only teams I like less than California teams is the Yankees.
Pads Fans
On a weekday, if the traffic is good, its an hour drive from where I have a vacation home off Belleview and S Ft Harrison in Clearwater to the Trop for a 7pm game. If there is a wreck on the 19 or 275, add 20-30 minutes to that. Its just a really bad area to have to go to for a game. Move it to Ybor city and it takes 30 minutes.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads Fan – I’m off Ulmerton and it takes me 12 minutes to get to The Trop. The key is to go early and take the best exit, and I park in one of the smaller lots.
balloonknots
Living here I can say as well as the Rays have done on the field they have done a terrible job off the field integrating into the community. STU lives in NY as manages business from afar unlike other franchises are Integrated much better, putting their own dollars to improve the community, development, arts and more. I feel it – Cuban born, I love baseball but I go to way more NHL and NFL games than baseball cause I want to support franchise that support our community not just take and take money out of the franchise and our community. Just my thoughts STU wants to be here than get to it show the town your commitment don’t just take money out of payroll – put down a significant down payment and or develop here and be present at charity drives, etc
prov356
bucsfan – “I voted for move the team.”
You realize you weren’t casting a vote for what happens to the team, right?
bucsfan0004
Poor word choice by me. I voted for “a different city”.
brickhaus
It’s only a great place to visit if the place you’re visiting is Mons Venus.
FloridaSportsGuy
@Bucsfan0004 Who calls themselves a Bucs fan, posting on an MLB forum, advocating for their own baseball team to Leave?
DarkSide830
as much as the split thing is cool, there’s clearly no way that happens.
wes_r
But the split thing isn’t even new. NBA teams did that in the 60s through the 80s. And none do it much anymore, suggesting, that at least in terms of NBA economics, it is not a model that works.
Examples
Kansas City-Omaha Kings for three years starting in the 72-73 season (although the split schedule may never have been intended to be permanent)
Utah Jazz played 11 home games in Las Vegas in 83-84
Other teams played home games in other cities fairly often–remember, Wilt Chamberlin’s 100 point game came in a Philadelphia Warriors home game played in Hershey, PA
brickhaus
The Packers split between Green Bay and Milwaukee for 40+ years. They were just always called Green Bay.
brickhaus
The Packers split between Green Bay and Milwaukee for 40+ years. They were just always called Green Bay.
thisredsoxfan
Two cities for one team is not an idea of the future, it’s an act of desperation!
to4
The Montreal Rays?
DodgerNation
Charlotte Rays?
vikingbluejay67
The Facts of Life .
Monkey’s Uncle
Well played.
8791Slegna
Montreal Ex-Rays
nickc-2
Vegas Rays
ajrodz1335
Tampa Bay Rays
mickeystix69
The ballpark sucks, the fans don’t support, and the ownership is cheap. Sure they’ve been competitive, but this is a no brainer. Leave Florida altogether.
Omarj
What about a move to Charlotte, Nashville, Portland, or Vegas?
brickhaus
None of those markets is large enough to support a new MLB team on top of existing pro franchises either. It’s possible a smaller and growing market could support an MLB team if it has no other pro sports franchises already. Unfortunately, the only market meeting that criteria is Austin, who couldn’t care less about MLB. Inland Empire also could work (12th largest MSA, zero major pro sports franchises), but the LA owners would never permit that and there isn’t a real anchor city there who would be willing to foot part of the bill for a stadium.
ABStract
San Antonio has a large population and only an NBA team I think
debsgarms
Milwaukee, Cleveland, KC, Cincinnati are all smaller metro areas than Charlotte, San Antonio, Portland, Sacramento, and Las Vegas. Pittsburgh is smaller than 4 of them and St. Louis and Baltimore are only slightly larger and not growing at nearly the same rate.
richt
Really think you’re wrong on that. Milwaukee is a smaller market than each city that Omarj listed and both their franchises get great attendance and fan support while having to compete with the Packers behemoth.
Portland is the biggest market of those choices and has just one other team. If smaller markets than them like Vegas, Cincinnati, KC, Pittsburgh, etc. can support 2 or 3 franchises, Portland would have no trouble getting the support for a second. Charlotte, Vegas, and Nashville wouldn’t have trouble with a third franchise either.
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Charlotte or Nashville could definitely support a team.
AlienBob
Portland has the MLS Portland Timbers and the NBA Portland Trailblazers.
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@AlienBob
I believe they’re only referring to the four major sports leagues.
seamaholic 2
Heck, Milwaukee is a smaller market than that of its AAA team (Nashville).
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@ABStract
San Antonio Scorpions
MLB-1971
Yes, Inland Empire has the people (part of the 23,000,000 people in Southern Cal), and can support the Dodgers, Angels, Padres, a fourth team (Ontario Octopus, Riverside Rinos, West Covina Wild Cats).
I am sure whatever name the owners pick will be politically correct. Lol
JeffreyChungus
Ontario and WestCo have no space for an MLB stadium. Riverside is likely a better candidate given how much growth the surrounding areas like Eastvale, Norco, etc. have seen recently while still having tons of empty space. Not a chance CA gets a 6th team though, even if the A’s move out. Vegas, Nashville, Charlotte, or Orlando are head and shoulders above the rest of the expansion candidates
brodie-bruce
tbh vancouver might be a better spot than portland, i’m sure there are a lot of m’s fans in portland.
astros_fan_84
Austin has plenty of baseball fans. However, they already support the Astros, Rangers, and Longhorns.
Having said that, I think a ballpark next to the Circuit of the Americas could work. Attendees from as far north as Waco or as south as San Antonio could go without actually having to fight Austin traffic.
stymeedone
I don’t think the Milwaukee Brewers really care about the few Sundays that they have to compete with the Packers. If they are home, most likely the Packers are on the road. Not a lot of overlap.
Pads Fans
ALL of those markets other than Las Vegas is big enough to support an MLB team.
Portland and Charlotte are bigger markets than 7 existing MLB teams. Austin is a smaller market than all three and its actually a smaller market than San Antonio.
richt
@stymeedone
It’s not about them competing with the Packers for TV viewers or attendance when their seasons/schedules overlap. It’s about them competing for coverage in the media and most importantly, fans’ disposable income.
This is why some markets can’t support more than 2 or 3 teams: the market doesn’t have enough people willing to support the teams with butts in their seats and their wallets open.
brickhaus
No way Nashville could support an MLB team. 81 home games is very different from 8 or even 41.
rondon
Brickhaus… You’re way off base with regards to Nashville. It’s a boomtown that rabidly supports the Titans and sells out every Predators game. Former players and execs have been here for a couple of years working on building ownership groups. The Triple A team’s home park is in a perfect spot for a larger stadium.
MLB absolutely wants a franchise here. Not if, but when.
MLB-1971
Fletcher – agreed! The fans in CA like their Dodgers, Angeles, and Padres. Just because there are enough people in CA does not mean they will attend in new teams games. Look at the difference in attendance and fan base between the Lakers and Clippers. I was just having fun with the names. No franchise would become a 6th CA team nor would the ownership of the other 5 allow it.
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@brickhaus
Nashville would draw a lot more fans than Tampa/St. Pete currently draws.
StPeteStingRays
Probably, but move the team to Tampa and that statement is no longer true.
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Based on what? There’s no proof that they would draw any better…and MLB in Florida has never drawn well regardless of the city. The Marlins should also leave…but I know they won’t any time soon.
raysdude7676
Smaller cities can definitely support a new team. It depends on the logistics. Nashville, Charlotte, or Vegas seem like good options for the Rays.
Cohn Joppolella
Casper, Wyoming
8791Slegna
Casper Ghosts?
MLB-1971
Lol, Casper Ghosts. That is great! Lmao!
All 55,000 people can go to all 81 games.
AlienBob
I have serious doubts about Las Vegas. The Knights got lucky with a good team out of the gate. The Raiders are near the bottom in attendance. LV has one of the smaller buildings in the NFL at 61,000 and have only filled 94% of the seats. A new NFL team and a new building should sell out every game. MLB has a lot more seats to sell than the NFL or NHL. It is a long season. You cannot count on gamblers from out of town to fill the stadium.
Dustyslambchops23
Pandemic hasn’t helped Vegas much since they have such a large amount of visitors, so not sure the last 2 years were a good indication of support levels
seamaholic 2
Not to mention it would have to be a dome, because of the temperatures there, and that’s so freakin’ expensive.
MLB-1971
AlienBob – you are 100 percent correct. The 81 homes games would be a bust!!!
I lived in Vegas for 13 years, and the summer is the slow time in LV as way fewer people come to LV when it is over 100 degrees, and far fewer when over 110. The ones who do sit in the Casinos which are blasting the AC. Unless the MLB has changed their schedule, the games run from April to the end of September, and LV is 100 to 115 almost the entire time.
I do not think MLB would work in the slightest. It needs local support for an 81 game home schedule.
AlienBob
@JC
Yep! Been there in the summer and done that. An old, fat guy like me cannot walk two blocks outside in the Vegas summer without needing to change your shirt. Getting into any stadium would be a problem. I’ll stay home until winter and attend a Raiders game or, as you said, sit in the casino and play blackjack. Thanks.
Pads Fans
Sadly, attendance doesn’t really mater all that much. Gate only accounts for 30% or less of revenue for most teams.
therealryan
30% of $300 million is still a lot of money for teams.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bob – They make undershirts with a sweat-proof barrier. I won’t say what brand because I don’t wanna get accused of product promoting, but if you Google it you’ll find it. They really do work!
I’m not old or fat, but I do exercise outside in high heat and humidity for 3 hours at a time and these undershirts keep me drier than Pablo Sandoval’s belt in a rainstorm.
balloonknots
Orlando 3mm plus and growing, Tampa 3mm plus and growing that doesn’t even include west Florida down to Naples – top TV market with top 3 growth projections in next 5 years in America – why would any company take on the expense to move to a market 1/3rd of the size. Trust if Rays leave Tampa gets another franchise in a blink of an eye. Tax payers and elected officials have the leverage. Also they learned from Miami – Stu CANT be trusted either. Put down 50% and he gets his stadium. It’s not FREE
acell10
I’m not sure how moving fixes the real root of the problem which as you said is the cheap owner
Altuves Buzzer
Montreal time
warnbeeb
It is an abysmal place to watch baseball. They need a stadium along the lines of Miami’s or Houston’s. I highly doubt they could get it. It will take years.
If they move…where? I would not go back to Montreal.
The logistics and legal things are beyond my comprehension but I would vote for Nashville, Tennessee.
Polish Hammer
Yes, because that great new stadium did wonders for Miami. Their team has been loaded ever since due to nightly sellouts at the beautiful ballpark.
warnbeeb
To be sure Miamians do not flock to Fish games…but it is a nice park for Florida weather. Tampa’s park is simply a giant aircraft hanger.
iron
Just like Tampa, Miami’s park is on the wrong location. They just built it there because it is free. Marlins fan base is in Broward, Palm Beach and points north. There are fans, but they don’t go to the games, just watch from afar (TV).
warnbeeb
I’ve never been to the Miami stadium. It just looks decent on TV and a nice place to watch baseball when it’s 90 degrees and 90% humidity outside.
Polish Hammer
Build it in Little Havana because they love baseball…yes they do, but aren’t interested in paying MLB prices to watch the game.
iron
correct.
Coast1
The Miami stadium is a terrible one to watch a game. But the food is good.
Pads Fans
The Marlins ballpark is awesome. The locations stinks.
Polish Hammer
Loaded the team up to draw interest so they could get the funding for 5he hew stadium and then blow it up as soon as they could. Also bought 2 titles and immediately imploded both times. Embarrassing.
LordD99
Contraction.
I’m not convinced MLB can make it in Florida outside of Spring Training. The Nashville Rays…or whatever new name they adopt.
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It should be the Nashville Bandits but I’m sure they’ll go with “Stars” (not creative).
seamaholic 2
I would think there would be several bigger markets ahead of Nashville in the pecking order. Charlotte seems like the no brainer, followed closely by San Antonio and Portland.
MLB-1971
Charlotte Bankers or is that a politically incorrect name. Lol
Old York
Other: Tampa plays all their games on the road but is considered the defacto home team for 81 of those games.
brewpackbuckbadg
Why wasn’t there an option of playing all their games in the same stadium?
Okay, I now read the article and understand eliminating the option even if I think it still could happen while a new stadium is built. (That’s my hope.)
cheapseater
Tampa and St. Pete are exploding right now. There’s no way MLB leaves that market, and if baseball is serious about wanting downtown amenities, the Trop site or the Rowdies’s stadium site are the clear winners.
(Also, can trade rumors emphasize the history repeating nature of MLB blocking a Tampa Bay related relocation? Sure was nice to see home games from the Giants in St. Pete, wasn’t it?)
Old York
Other: MLBTR readers all chip in and help raise funds to build a new stadium in downtown Tampa Bay.
StPeteStingRays
In Tampa Bay there are multiple downtowns. I believe you meant downtown Tampa. That’s the area the Rays need a stadium.
Old York
How many uptowns are there?
Rsox
There used to be two Upton’s, but one retired..
StPeteStingRays
16
pt57
42. That‘s the answer for everything.
StPeteStingRays
You’re right! I panicked…
southern lion
If they do relocate to Montreal completely, either bring back the Expos as the mascot, or rebrand the franchise with a new one. The Montreal Rays is bad.
Just like the Utah Jazz of the NBA. Terrible. Speaking of the NBA, anyone remember the Kansas City-Omaha Kings, before relocation to Sacramento? Two city teams don’t work.
Rick Pernell
I hear that train a coming, it’s rolling around the bend.the Ray’s won’t be in Tampa. Two cities will not blend.
I predict Nashville.
SanDiegoTom
Lived in nashville for 5 years and it’s a great sports town
prov356
I lived in San Diego, now I live in Nashville. I’ve heard rumors for years that the Rays will be moving to Nashville. I hope it happens.
Vizionaire
nashville has a small tv market. it is less than a million. not sure the city can sustain a baseball team there.
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@Vizionaire
Nashville Hot Chicken will sustain anything.
Pads Fans
1,102,340. Just behind Pittsburg, San Diego, and Baltimore
64' Yanks
Can you say Viva Las Vegas!
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Love to see them move to one of the Carolina’s.
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There’s no way South Carolina gets a team. The only Carolina that would ever get a team is North Carolina.
brickhaus
Where’s the option for the same ballpark in the Tampa Bay Area? Even if they can secure financing for a new stadium in the Tampa Bay Area and approvals, it’s unlikely construction could be completed in time for opening day 2028 given the speed at which these things move. I think they enter into a one or two year extension while waiting for the new stadium to be finished.
smuzqwpdmx
Yep. They’ll probably decide where their new stadium will be by 2028, but they won’t have built it yet, no matter what city it’s in.
mike156
MLB wants a second team in Florida. The state has over 21M people, and while they certainly have other things to do there, that’s too big a market to leave underserved. But MLB also wants the taxpayer to pay for a new facility, and that’s a lot of money, time, zoning, site location, zoning, eminent domain, etc. Look for a lot of meetings with prominent politicians (none of them made public, probably).
DarkSide830
except it’s not underserved. every sports league puts too many teams in Florida and dilutes the market. it’s clear that in spite of having a large population, attending of games is not proportional, particularly when it comes to the four majors.
mike156
Underserved with baseball played in attractive venues. The Rays are such a smart organization that plenty of other cities would love them, but MLB should want them in Florida…the dance of looking for other cities out of state is tactical. And, I think MLB wants to bring this to a head already…a split city season takes pressure off locals to come with palms filled with cash.
wes_r
People matter. But so does income. FLA is only 38th of the 51 states and DC when it comes to per capita income.
Deadguy
Isn’t Tampa as well as much of Florida gonna be underwater due to rising ocean temperatures and the expansion that happens naturally when you heat oil or water? 2027?
smuzqwpdmx
Large cities like Tampa will build very expensive mitigation to limit flooding… which won’t be that severe until around 2040 anyway.
DonS
I don’t see them getting a new ballpark in the Tampa Bay region. Let’s face it, baseball has not worked in Florida. Look at the Marlins situation in Miami. I think that the Rays will either play out their lease in St. Pete and maybe at some point Stu sells the team to another city or perhaps back to MLB. I don’t see any logical choice right now for relocating or even God forbid expansion. Perhaps the A’s are getting their stadium issue resolved but I don’t see anything happening in Tampa Bay.
alwaysgo4two
It’s the wrong location…period. To compare them to the Miami market, remember this. The Florida Panthers play in a beautiful arena, at or near the top of the standings yet they’re 26 in attendance at around 13k. The Lightning? They play in downtown Tampa at a beautiful arena and they sell out nearly every night. So don’t compare the markets. Completely different.
Build it and they will come.
mike156
It still comes down to the same question–where and who pays?
Johnmac94
WHAT? “The Lightning? They play in downtown Tampa at a beautiful arena and they sell out nearly every night.”? I got a call from the Lightning to get on the wait-list for season tickets, the cheap seats list is a 2-YEAR WAIT, I want the glass, …
PLEASE DO NOT COMMENT UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN TO ST. PETE, they play in St. Pete NOT Tampa. It takes an hour to go between stop lights in St. Pete. never mind getting to St. Pete. If they played in TAMPA, they would have 30K average. A majority of the population in the St. Pete area there are living on SS. still, they will all be gone soon enough, either death or taxes; however, the Rays will beat them out.
StPeteStingRays
So many mouthpieces on here spewing ignorance that it’s sad.
baseball10183768
As a Rays fan that attends many games a year and went to the very first game every, I don’t think its a lack of support. The Rays have a fanbase but St. Pete could never compare to a larger market team. We don’t have the population and people don’t want to spend $12 on a beer when they can go to the beach for free. A family of 4 can’t afford to go to multiple games a month with the price of admission, concessions and parking. I would hate to see them leave.
ABStract
People in larger markets don’t wanna spend $12 on a beer either…just fyi
baseball10183768
Larger market teams don’t have to compete with the beach and other fun things to do. There’s way more things to do in Tampa Bay than in Boston or other cities
Rsox
You have all the same things to do in L.A./Orange County as you do in Florida and the Dodgers/Angels don’t struggle for attendance. Florida is a Football state, and a college Football state at that. The market size isn’t the problem, cost+location+perpetual state of rebuild is why fans don’t come out
JeffreyChungus
Yeah but LA beaches suck
baseball10183768
There are way more people that live in LA than in St. Pete… of course they will have more people in attendance. We need to move to Tampa with a new stadium and lower the prices. The Rays are in the middle of the pack when it comes to TV viewership. They have a fanbase.
Dustyslambchops23
Heat games are pretty pricey and they are consistently up there in attendance.
Hockey and baseball seem to not be able to gain any traction in florida, despite the teams being decently successful at times.
therealryan
The NHL is doing fine in Tampa. In the last season pre-Covid, 2019-2020, the Lightning were 5th in attendance and had consecutive years of straight sellouts.
FloridaSportsGuy
“Hockey and baseball seem to not be able to gain any traction in florida, despite the teams being decently successful at times.”
Now here’s a guy who just says things.
StPeteStingRays
Stu needs to find a way to build a new stadium within the city of Tampa, or sell the team to someone that can make it happen. Building a new park in St. Petersburg won’t help much over time.
kc38
A bunch of people voting who have no idea the real solution… they just read ol bobby and Ken’s tweets and think they can fix the Rays problem. They will 100% be in Tampa on opening day 2028
FloridaSportsGuy
Mostly big market fans who can’t grasp economics of anyplace other than where they are (or the area they support).
CubsWin108
Sucks that good teams like the Rays are being forced to move because ownership is cheap, feel bad for Tampa fans, they don’t deserve this happening to them.
FloridaSportsGuy
The Rays aren’t being forced to move.
Joe S
The best place for Ray’s to go is Las Vegas. Enclosed stadium is the only they need, along with lots of side entertainment. If they play a bunch of days games they can be a hangover cure. Also if they sell pot in the stadium, and have smoking rooms, it would be awesome for fans. People could smoke a bone, relax eat some tasty treats but be clear headed afterwards to go get their gamble on.
prov356
Huh?
Rsox
Television revenues come from prime time and with nationally televised games. Even the Cubs only play a fraction of the day games they used to.
MLB will never go for designated pot space as a means to lure attendance. You want to “smoke a bone” you’ll have to do so before you enter the stadium. And there is no side entertainment to be had. The entertainment is the game on the field. If you are at a Baseball game and require other forms of entertainment to keep your interests than you wasted your money
baseballpun
I really do not believe that multi-city teams are the wave of the future.
JeffreyChungus
But you moved out of Missouri, you’re a multi-city guy!
prov356
Nashville has been in the works for years. It would be great to get the Rays here. We have a huge fan base. We have a AAA team and some really good college ball.
TyGuy
The one comment made is so true: stay out of Florida. Go to NC, Montreal, Nashville or anyplace (Not Vegas!) anyone can make a decent argument for or against.
thickiedon
Austin/San Antonio
rcglanzer
Agree. 7th and 11th largest US cities, 24th and 28th largest metro areas and growing, and just 90 minutes apart. It’s a great market for the Rays!
therealryan
I think San Antonio or Austin would be a good expansion candidate. However, the Rays are currently in the 18th largest metro and only 100 minutes away from the 22nd largest metro in Orlando. On top of that, located directly in between those two is the 81st largest metro in Lakeland. I can’t imagine MLB wants to leave that many TV viewers behind if in can be avoided.
portlandrays
Problem is, of that 18th largest metro, half of baseball fans are retired old dudes supporting NY/BOS. They will never change their teams hence you can cut so called “fan base” in Flordia to half.
I think 3rd team in Texas will do good.
Rsox
There is probably zero chance the Rays sign a new lease to stay in Tropicana Field. Either the city caves and provides the other half of the $700 million proposed for a new stadium complex or they will leave for somewhere that will.
The clock is ticking on Baseball in Tampa
therealryan
This is also part of the problem. A full season stadium in Tampa will like be $1-1.2 billion. The $700 stadium is for a smaller open air stadium that the Rays we’re going to use in the spring. To build a full season stadium that will be suitable for a Florida summer will require a roof and push up the costs significantly. That means the city of Tampa likely needs to come to the table with $650-750 million and that doesn’t look like it will happen as of now.
slider32
I think that MLB adds 2 new teams by 2024, if the Rays haven’t figured it out by then it would be a good time for them to move. I think Charlotte, Vegas, Portland, and Indi are good spots. I have second thoughts on Montreal with the virus and the problems of teams playing in Canada.
Rsox
No way is there expansion within the next two years. Manfred has said they won’t even discuss it till the A’s/Rays stadium situations are resolved (mostly as not to take away two possible destinations for either team). Seeing as 2027 is key for both teams i don’t think we see expansion before 2030 unless a miracle happens and both teams get new stadiums in the very near future
slider32
5 Billion a team, I will bet it happens before 27! MLB is already lining up Nashville and adding 2 teams evens out the league at 32
Pads Fans
He didn’t say new stadium built, he said stadium situation resolved. A’s are just about there. The process will be complete within a month. Tampa will take longer. Mostly because Sternberg wants the taxpayers to foot most of the bill. Not happening. Billionaires should pay for their own ballparks.
ba9oriole
Move the Rays to Orlando!
Johnmac94
Orlando is packed with left-wing millennial javelin throwers who have never even seen a baseball much less a game.
mostlytoasty
Careful, don’t want to cut yourself on all that edge
Texas Outlaw
Texas can hold another team. We are sports crazy here.
thickiedon
Agreed. Austin/San Antonio could definitely support MLB franchise
Whiskey and leather balls
I could see them putting one in San Marcos or closer to Austin at least. SA cant even upgrade Nelson Wolff and while i enjoy watching ball there, every other double-a park in Texas is 100% better. I’d guess Vegas, Nashville, Montreal, Charlotte with Austin/SA a distant 5th
mgomrjsurf
Dallas share with Cowboys same with in New Orleans share with Saints.
Dutch Vander Linde
I think they’ll move to Portland, Montreal or Nashville
CravenMoorehead
Leave that dump in Tampa, relocate to Montreal and rename the team the Expos.
Rsox
Problem is you’re leaving a dump in Tampa for an even bigger, older dump in Montreal. Unless the province builds a new stadium all the same issues that plagued the Expos the first time around (and currently plague the Rays) will just start over
FloridaSportsGuy
“Problem is you’re leaving a dump in Tampa for an even bigger, older dump in Montreal.”
Are there still troughs in the mens rooms or did Fenway finally graduate to the 20th century and install urinals?
CravenMoorehead
Fenway is indeed a dump. I’ll never forget the amount of times I heard the “N word” directed at me when I went to that ballpark to watch a Yankees/Sox game.
Rsox
Moving the Rays from Tropicana Field to a Stadium that was already falling apart before the Rays ever played their first game is not the answer to any of the team’s stadium issues. You’re just transferring the problem. And you called the Trop a dump first.
Attacking Fenway because the other fans weren’t nice to you…all I’ll say is sorry you had a lousy time
Fever Pitch Guy
Florida – No, they are gone. The owners invested millions in improvements to Fenway over the past 19 years. Old doesn’t always mean dump, in fact a few years ago Fenway was rated the 2nd-cleanest and safest stadium in MLB behind only Safeco (the home of the Seattle Mariners).
StPeteStingRays
I didn’t know parrots could type
CravenMoorehead
Oh look I upset 1 of the Tampa Bay Ray’s 12 fans.
StPeteStingRays
Did you think up that “insult” all by yourself?
thickiedon
No option for them to remain in current ballpark? That seems more likely than anything offered.
Sox4Life1958
Okay, here’s what I don’t get. Why is it cheaper to “live” in two cities? The most expensive part of operating a team is the ballpark, and now you need two of them instead of just one. Plus, I can’t see players wanting to be away from their families for 121-122 games, instead of just 81. What makes two cities a good idea in the first place?
riffraff
Easy fix – Rename the team “Americas Team” ( Nobody will confuse them with the Dallas Cowboys as they have actually won a playoff game)
81 home games:
. 21 in Tampa 20 in Montreal 20 in Nashville 20 in LV
Playoff series are in the city that has the best attendance
Do this for 2 years – at the end of the 2 years whichever city has the best attendance and fanbase wins the franchise.
Rem
The idea that they can’t get one city to build a ballpark, so let’s instead get two cities to build two ballparks for half the games was always absurd to me.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Splitting home games across two cities is a bad idea. Teams do not provide living accommodations (or hotel rooms) for home games so players would need to get two residences just for home games. Plus players with families would be away from home for 3/4 of the season, assuming that the family can not ‘relocate’ to another home in the sister city when they are playing there. It’s a significant additional expense for players (especially young players making the minimum) and would really impact their family life as well.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dotty – I said the same thing a while ago, from a business perspective it’s a great idea but from a player perspective it’s a definite no unless their primary residence is in the Tampa area … and that’s assuming each city’s 40-game home schedule is consecutive. I don’t think the proposal ever got that far into the details, but my understanding is it would have been 40 games in Tampa from April thru June and the remainder in Montreal from July thru September. If so, the few fans in the Tampa area probably wouldn’t appreciate not being able to attend any late season playoff chase games.
flyingblindsquirrel
Raleigh Rays – The city council has already approved the Downtown South development which includes hotels, retail, dining and a 20k seat MLS Soccer stadium. Would t take much to modify it to make it a brand new baseball stadium. + their AAA team is in Durham.
48-team MLB
Raleigh Reapers
slider32
Raleigh is another good spot fora team!
tjettman
They might as well just move to Montreal. They seem to already have a foot in the door there.
gbs42
It would have been nice if the poll had an option for staying where they are, because that is a distinct possibility, certainly greater than a two-city split.
FloridaSportsGuy
But that won’t bring the trolls out, will it?
48-team MLB
Imagine a World Series between Atlanta and Nashville.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Seems like both the Lightning and the Bucs have figured out how to make it work in Tampa.
Pads Fans
Yeah. They actually play IN Tampa, not St Pete.
Fever Pitch Guy
Pads – I think the fact that the Bucs play only 8-9 regular season home games and the Bolts play only 41 regular season home games in a 21K stadium have a lot more to do with it than location.
Try multiplying 25K times 81 games and see how that compares to 21K times 41 games or 66K times 8 games.
And that’s not even taking into account the millions of snowbirds and vacationers who spend October thru April in Florida and then disappear May thru September.
Johnmac94
1st problem: “Tampa mayor Jane Castor recently said that her office would be open to any idea that would keep the Rays in town”, they are in St. Pete and have nothing to do with the city of Tampa…
portlandrays
Castor drew the line at using taxpayer funds, saying “the community’s appetite to pay for a stadium has left the train station.”
Boom. Baseball will be banished from Tampa.
gbs42
If that’s what happens when a team has to pay for its own stadium, so be it. Why should the public be on the hook for a $700M gift to a team? Let them pay for it themselves.
pappyvw
Move to Nashville already …
Rsox
According to Bob Nightingale Montreal and Nashville are the top two destinations for MLB expansion. It’s Nightingale so take it for what it’s worth.
That said if Baseball really wants to expand into those markets than MLB should help with solving the A’s/Rays situation. Maybe the league should establish some kind of league fund to help with these things.
Obviously Nashville will get brand new everything but they need to figure out a new stadium or something for Montreal. Baseball back at Olympic Stadium long term is not ideal
Pads Fans
Meaning that neither are in the top 2.
48-team MLB
I have no problem with Nashville getting a team but Montreal already had its shot.
rocky7
And did anyone ask Bob Nightengale why Montreal didn’t work when MLB had the Expos? All these brainiac comments; Quebec is very different than the rest of Canada comparatively to the Blue Jays…..terrible idea that would get real old very, very fast if in fact Manfred was that stupid…which he is but for different reasons.
Nashville or Raleigh would be a terrific choice!
Rsox
I have to believe nostalgia is the driving force for returning Baseball to Montreal. A few exhibition games drawing semi-decent attendance doesn’t mean the province is going to support a team over an 81 game schedule. Now if we were hearing about potential ownership groups and new stadium ideas that would be a different story all together.
Jake1972
The moment the Rays want to move you will see Nashville, Memphis, Austin, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Portland, Salt Lake City and Albuquerque would put bids in…
Rays and Marlins need to move from Florida!
When it was a game.
Growing up in NY and going to Tampa games a few times a year. Unless yankees or red Sox are playing you could hear a pin drop. No one goes and most Florida’s support their home town teams.
Sabermetric Acolyte
Nashville Rays?
theodore glass
Moving to actual Tampa should be their future.
bradthebluefish
“there is virtually no chance the Rays will still be calling the much-maligned Trop home come Opening Day 2028.”
Bro, they literally don’t have anywhere else to go unless they want to lease a smaller stadium.
bradthebluefish
Las Vegas gave the Raiders $750 million for their stadium. Perhaps they could do the same for the Rays.
Pads Fans
The Nevada Governor already said they won’t do the same for the A’s, so no chance for the Rays.
Pads Fans
Too big of a TV market to move. A new retractable roof park will be built in Tampa, specifically Ybor City, and the Rays will be there for the foreseeable future.
bostonbob
As I mentioned previously, pre covid. The owner of the Magic stated his desire to move the Rays to Orlando. Tear that dump, Camping World Stadium down and build a new stadium there or in that blighted area.
mgomrjsurf
First the Rays aren’t for Sale and if wanted they could look at blight area but nothing yet about relocating.
FloridaSportsGuy
Those residents shouldn’t be subjected to a stadium and all the BS that comes with it just because. We went to EDC there and I was horrified when I found out that the stadium is literally in a residential neighborhood. And just like in Jacksonville, it just so happens to be in a lower income neighborhood. I wonder why that is…
shane
Move the Rays to Montreal And then move the A’s to Tampa
AlienBob
I think the A’s are going to stay in Oakland. The Howard Terminal plan will get the go ahead. Tampa Bay will sell to the group in Portland and move into a new stadium there. I can be ready by 2027 if they have a commitment for a team.
LordD99
Sternberg is correct from an individual business perspective. Two cities greatly increases revenue opportunities through marketing, attendance, and a variety of business deals. It’s an easy choice for the Tampa Rays since they don’t really have a strong fanbase. It’s bad from the players’ perspective and not good from a fan perspective. Most of the pace of play and areas of the game that fans complain about started or were popularized by the Rays. Openers, shifts, bullpenning, increased analytics, etc. All decisions made without the worry of building a fanbase. Very smart business man, but one who doesn’t care about baseball. The game would be better off if he was out of jt.
48-team MLB
Vancouver is the only Canadian city they should consider at this point.
Ham Fighter
2027
Montreal rays
Las Vegas A’s
JR513
Pirates should be contracted or bought by owners and moved to Montreal Pittsburgh market is worse than tampas and there owner would probably love the buyout