The Marlins looked into a Bryan Reynolds trade with the Pirates prior to the trade deadline and were rebuffed, though that hasn’t stopped the team from trying again. The Miami Herald’s Barry Jackson reports that the Fish revisited talks with the Pirates before the lockout, even if “the odds are against” the chances of Reynolds ultimately heading to Miami.
In essence, nothing seems to have changed regarding Pittsburgh’s stance on a Reynolds trade, whether to the Marlins or any of the multiple other teams (including the Mariners, Yankees, Astros, Guardians, Brewers, and Braves) who have reportedly shown interest in the All-Star over the last seven months. The center fielder is the rare roster piece that the Pirates aren’t too open to trading, as the Bucs feel their next competitive window will open while Reynolds is still a productive regular. Reynolds is controlled through the 2025 season and would still seem to have several prime years ahead of him, as he only turns 27 years old tomorrow.
This mix of skill and contractual control also makes Reynolds a prime trade target, hence the long list of teams interested in his services. The Marlins are perhaps better equipped than most to meet whatever the Pirates’ gigantic asking price would be for Reynolds, as Miami is deep in talented young pitchers who are either close to the majors or have already made an impact at the big league level.
It isn’t surprising that the Fish would keep asking about Reynolds, nor is there any real harm in continuing to check in just in case the Pirates have lowered their demands. Discussing one trade could end up laying the groundwork for another deal, either now or down the road. Perhaps related to this idea, there’s obviously some rapport between the Marlins and Pirates front offices, as the two teams completed a notable trade in November that sent catcher Jacob Stallings to Miami for a three-player package.
Offense and position-player help in general was a stated need for the Marlins heading into the offseason. The club has thus far been aggressive in trading for Stallings and Joey Wendle (from the Rays), and Jackson writes that the Marlins have had trade talks with at least seven teams, though nothing was particularly close to being finalized before the lockout halted all big league roster activity.
In general, Jackson writes that the Marlins are “shooting high in their search for another impact bat,” and might not turn to second-tier options until the larger targets are off the table. Jackson feels a trade is perhaps more likely than another free agent signing, though Miami has been active on that front as well in signing Avisail Garcia to a four-year, $53MM free agent deal. A true center fielder like Reynolds might be preferable to playing Garcia mostly every day up the middle, but the Marlins are comfortable enough with Garcia’s center-field ability that corner outfielders like Kyle Schwarber, Seiya Suzuki, or Nick Castellanos are still on the club’s radar.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Doesn’t every team have continued interest in Bryan Reynolds? Why wouldn’t they? It’s a question of whether or not any team is willing to give up the nessecary prospects to get him. I doubt any team pays enough and if some team does I don’t think it will be the Marlins.
Hello, Newman
Definitely! I hope Al Avila is, at the very least, checking into Reynolds.
mlb1225
How about no? I understand the Pirates rebuilding by trading expiring contracts and players not considered long term pieces, but Reynolds is absolutely a guy that needs to be built around. He isnt a Frazier, he isnt a Josh Bell, he isn’t a Joe Musgrove. He’s a guy that could consistently receive MVP votes year in year out.
Ducky Buckin Fent
So…Andujar for Reynolds?
Big Smoke
That’d be a massive overpay for Reynolds
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
I’m so stoned I read this whole thing as the mariners until I saw Avisail Garcia lol… happy hump day
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
Sometimes people refer to using meth to the point of hallucination as being “stoned.”
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
Just weed on this side man no meth haha
amk1920
Bleday and Max Meyer at minimum for a player like Reynolds
ElGaupo77
Bleday’s family is from Western Pennsylvania
MarlinsFanBase
Ahhhh, Pirates fans asking for the world again for one of their players. It’s like the Jacob Stallings trade suggestions all over again. At least Reynolds is a much better player than Stallings. He’ll get you a good prospect, but the Marlins aren’t going to trade a lot.
I can see Bleday, but Meyer won’t be included with him. It’ll be a decent, but not great prospect like Meyer to go along with Bleday.
amk1920
I am not a Pirates fan ….It’s funny when any fanbase thinks they can get a controllable young elite player for not much. In what world is a player like Reynolds only worth an OF prospect who’s ceiling is lower than his and a decent toss in?
TJECK109
This is a comical comment. On one hand you think Pirates fans are over asking and in the next you throw out a ridiculous lowball offer. Just flat out ridiculous
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
They asked for 2 of the Mariners top 5 prospects why wouldn’t they do the same for the Marlins??
gbs42
MFB, if you’re not careful, you’ll be veering info MF22 territory in terms of ridiculous takes. Reynolds is young, cheap, and very talented. It would take premium prospects to get him, and Bleday is coming off a down season.
MarlinsFanBase
I’m pointing out how all of you squawked about how you were going to get a ton for Jacob Stallings, but when the trade actually went down, the Pirates took what was in the ballpark of what I said the Marlins would give for him.
If this trade of Reynolds to the Marlins happens, let’s see what happens. I imagine that, if it once again falls in line with what I’m saying, you Pirates fans will avoid admitting you’re wrong…just as you did when the Stallings trade happened.
gbs42
I’m not sure who you mean by “you,” but I’m not a Pirates fan, and I did no squawking.
MarlinsFanBase
Pirates fans know what I’m talking about from the Stallings stuff.
And trying to place my statements as ridiculous like @MetsFan22 is squawking to me. And for waht…me pointing out that with Bleday, the Marlins won’t be putting Meyer in a trade like that. I don’t think the Marlins give Meyer straight up for Reynolds. And after one season, the Marlins are not valuing Bleday any less. They aren’t pulling off what they used against the D-Backs when they pulled Jazz from them after he had a down year.
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Marlins-You can wish upon a Star,makes no difference who you are.
Supposedly,the Pirates were offered three of the Marlins’ top prospects and turned them down.Anything but an overwhelming deal will be turned down also.If you think that Reynolds is in any way similar to Stallings you do not have a clue.
The problem with prospects is just that,they are just prospects.Especially,pitchers are apt to get hurt,and that is mostly what would be offered for an all star center fielder who has had two out of three very fine years,one as a rookie.He has four years of control.
It surprised many of us,especially me,that Stallings would be traded as I did not think that they would be able to get the value that he afforded the young Pirates’ pitching staff in return.However,BC was smarter than us and signed a somewhat similar catcher as a free agent so they do have an adequate replacement.Now they need to get an adequate backup catcher.
If I were you I would not get too enamored with the Marlins’ chances as they may have good young pitching but their starting eight is no better than average.
As far as wishing to get Reynolds,I think that you would lose on this one.
MarlinsFanBase
I think I’ll wait and see. After all, I got a good chuckle from you Pirates fans after you all were so laughably wrong about Stallings’ value.
Sorry, but when you all claimed that Stallings would get you a prospect load that matched what the Marlins got for Realmuto, the credibility was dented significantly right there. So I can’t be blamed when I doubt logic that makes you say that now you’ll get Superstar return for an All Star player.
Mendoza Line 215
The point is that the Marlins will not pay the price for an all star as they are only offering prospects..I have noticed that many posters on here clearly overvalue their prospects compared to players who have proven themselves in the ML.
I never said that they “would get what you got for Realmuto”.You put words in people’s mouths and you get responses like you got from gbs42 and myself.
Perhaps the other posters that you refer are smart enough to ignore you.Or perhaps they thought like I did that the Pirates would not trade Stallings because he meant more to them than he could for any other team.
And even more than Stallings Reynolds holds great specific value for the Pirates that would mean that the return would have to be overwhelming for them to trade him.He is the face of the franchise now much like McCutcheon was ten years ago.I can assure you that they are not shopping him around.This article is just a filler while the professional knuckleheads put their heads together to come to an agreement.If Moe Howard we’re still alive he could bang their heads together to get one done.
bucsfan0004
I’d call the package the Pirates received for a 33yr old catcher with no real offensive track record as a “ton”.
bucsfan0004
And as a side note, why is the only Marlins fan in existence an obnoxious idiot?
Cosmo2
Absolutely no reason to trade Reynolds if they don’t get a haul so I doubt they do it for a lesser package. Stallings was different. They shouldn’t have traded him but he’s not the same level.
ludafish
Hey some of us have been here from the beginning… But at least he is out there representing when people think we don’t exist at all.
ludafish
Some Pirates fans on this site thought Stallings would get them Meyer and another one of the Marlins top 10. So that’s what he is talking about. And yes I saw it with my own eyes too …
However if for whatever reason the Pirates took Meyer and Bleday for Reynolds I would do that in a heartbeat. Unfortunately it starts with them two plus at least Cabrera and then another position player on the up and up, like Burdick or Y Cappe or a Nasim Nunez….. So if they do make a trade it would definitely have to be four prospects for him and two of them would be big time. Like Sixto and Meyer. I’m not sure I would do it because honestly Reynolds was great last year but doesn’t have a long enough track record to bet the farm on. But then it becomes a double edged sword. If he kills it in 22 the price goes up.
Based on all that I don’t think a trade happens. I don’t see the Marlins letting go of Watson or Eury. Almost anyone else would be on the table.
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Ludafish-You seem much more realistic than other posters.
I do not think it wise for the Pirates to trade Reynolds for the reasons espoused above.
I do not think it wise for the Marlins to overpay like the Pirates would want.He is only one player and your four young player trade suggestion may at least get the Pirates to seriously think about it.
But the result will almost certainly be no trade.
gbs42
ludafish and Mendoza Line 215 – I agree with your comments and don’t expect a deal to happen. Most trade discussions don’t pan out, so the odds are against any particular deal getting done.
Mendoza Line 215
Thank you gbs.Every once in awhile we actually have an intelligent discourse going on here.It seems to me that some of the worst knucklehead posters have been gradually weeded out over the last five years.
ludafish
We can all agree Reynolds is great, but that 2020 line is so misleading. Do we consider that season a fluke and not judge anyone? Maybe Reynolds would be better with some protection around him?
Either way I think Pittsburgh would want the world for him, and rightfully so, and it may not be worth it. Watson is far away so if you could get away with trading him and another player who won’t Miami immediately (like Bleday since basically Reynolds replaces him and we signed Asvail) then I would think it’s a good idea for Miami. But that won’t happen. I would absolutely bet Pittsburgh wants 2 of Meyer, Cabrera and Sixto, throw in Eleiser and include Burdick, Bleday or Nasim Nunez or Yidde Cappe.
I think that’s too much risk for Miami. As no matter what happens Meyer, Sixto, and Cabrera their floor is dominant reliever. I have to imagine at least one works out to be a great starter. Bleday is losing stock and Burdick is on the up and up.
So if it were up to me I would let Burdick compete for CF with BDLC and focus on all that starting talent building the best possible five man (or even 6) in baseball. In the meantime they could try to move a package of Neidert Castano Eleieser and Garrett for something decent. It won’t get you Reynolds but a team that needs controllable starters could offer something worthwhile in return (I really wanted to try to get Bart before but I forgot Posey retired,but SF has plenty of good offensive prospects and need pitching).
MarlinsFanBase
Thank you @ludafish for mentioning exactly what I was referring to.
As for this Reynolds thing, the Marlins larger need at this moment is a legit closer. I am in the camp of wanting a trade for Kimbrel or signing Jansen (if possible).
Reynolds is not the biggest need for us at this moment. And I stand by my words.. We’ll see what happens if he is traded to the Marlins (or any team) so we can see what the return is. He’s not a game-changer that is worth Superstar return. He’s an All Star player.
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Luda fish-not sure anyone thinks Reynolds is great.If he was he would be worth five fine young players.
I really believe that this conversation is like Seinfeld,a story about nothing,since he will not be traded as no one will give the Pirates what they would want to even consider trading him.
MarlinsFanBase
@Mendoza Line 215 I can agree with this.
ludafish
On some other Marlins places to talk they mention Reynolds as THE ANSWER. While I would no doubt like him on my team, I don’t think he is the missing piece. A real veteran closer (or someone who can step in to the role like a Bender could) would really help the team. They are built on pitching and defense. So they need to fix Jazz defensively and have BA get back to normal. With that they will muster up enough offense I believe to be in games.
Then there’s just the fact that I have bias towards Marlins prospects. I think the world of Meyer (even though it looks like some don’t) and Watson. Personally I love Burdick. Bleday is the one I could take or leave now unless he finally figures it out. I would be ok with trading Cabrera or Eleieser for a good piece. Maybe even Pablo. It’s tough since Pablo, Sixto, and Edward all have enough talent to be TOR arms , it’s just a matter of keeping them on the field. Taking a deep dive in to Pablo and some analytics show he is actually really good.
So my TLDR, yeah I wouldn’t bet the farm on Reynolds. I would give up something of value for him, but the package I would be comfortable offering would be about 50% of what they want. Plus I’m also just some guy so I don’t count…. Yadda yadda yadda….
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I think that all of us posting here resemble the phrase “some guy”,but it amazes me that “some guys” for the most part every once in a while are actually smarter than those doing some of the things that “some GM’s” actually do.
pittsburghbob69
yanksgoyard.com/2021/11/11/yankees-pirates-bryan-r…
This is a Yankees article. From a Yankees beat writer/reporter. Says starts with Martian (JasonDominguez) or Volpe plus OswaldPeraza and LucasGil.
**This is copied and pasted from a Mariners website and Mariners beat writer/reporter. They wanted JuiloRodriguez and E.Hancock or G.Kirby.
“In regards to Reynolds, Divish says the M’s have tried to acquire the outfielder on two different occasions, and in the most recent trade talks, the Pirates wanted Rodriguez in return. It seems highly unlikely that Seattle would part with Rodriguez (arguably the sport’s top prospect) in any deal, yet those are the kinds of asks that other teams would make for any premium talent.
Pittsburgh’s demand for Rodriguez also further illustrates the very high price tag the Pirates are putting on Reynolds, who was a popular trade target for many teams this summer. Reynolds is arbitration-eligible through the 2026 season, and that type of control combined with Reynolds’ outstanding performance in two of his three seasons makes him one of the most valuable trade chips in all of baseball. However, the Pirates have also indicated that they see Reynolds as a key member of their rebuild, and it isn’t likely Reynolds is dealt unless another team steps forward with a truly eye-popping offer, i.e. a Rodriguez-level prospect.”
***It’s not “Pirates fans asking for the world”. It’s the ask that was reported on by multiple sources. He probably won’t get traded. Organization don’t like giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects.
But thats what a proven, switch-hitting, all-star, gold glove and silver slugger CF; under team control till 2026, and cheap. That hits for power, hits for average, can run, can field and can throw, value is.
No matter what “top prospects” are lottery tickets. Especially ones that havnt reached AA yet. How many International bonus babies bust out and a 50K-100K, Int. signee becomes a teams best prospect from that class..??
You can “win” the draft every year. It’s all subjective. Have the top rated farm system. It too, is subjective. Winning is concrete.
Teams and fans that fall in love with their prospects and the draft usually arnt a perennial winning franchise or win championship.
Take it from a Penguins fan. We’ve had one(1) 1st round draft pick in the last 6-8 years. And very few 2nds too. But I would rather my GM and team go for It every season. And try and win.
Again, prospects and farm systems are all subjective and you can’t fall in love with your lottery tickets. Believe me, the only time u miss those picks is during the draft. When your team is winning 3 out of 4 Stanley Cups and making the play-offs the last 14 out of 15 years you don’t miss the draft picks, or highly touted prospects.
pittsburghbob69
Jon Heyman tweet
@JonHeyman
Many teams called about Pirates All-Star OF Bryan Reynolds, but no one met the price. Word is they asked the Marlins for “3 top guys,” which was too much for them. The Marlins do want a CF, and they will keep looking. @flasportsbuzz and @CraigMish 1st with the Miami interest.
Not Pirate fans ask; it doesn’t matter what we think or ask. It’s what’s reported. By multiple sources. They asked for Julio Rodrigues and E.Hancock or G.Kirby for Seattle.
Yankees article written by Yankees beat writer/reporter says the Yankees offer would have to start with Martian(JasonDominguez) or Volpe, plus OswaldPeraza and LucasGil.
He won’t get traded. Teams don’t like giving up 2 of their top 3 prospects.
But it’s what a proven, switch-hitting, all-star, gold glove and silver slugger CF that hits average, hits for power, can run, can field a premium position in CF and can throw value is. Especially one cheap and under team control to 2026.
pittsburghbob69
And JJ Bleday just restored some prospect stock in the Arizona Fall league. I would be begging my franchise to sell high on him now.
jtkuch
…and much much more. Those 2 alone don’t come close to the price the Pirates should be asking for.
hoof hearted
Pitts problem? Beyond Reynolds, Haynes, Youshi- they got nothing. I know they’re high on Oneil. Unless they add capable talent(better than Colin and Polonco level production) they’re going nowhere.
Reynolds is worth 3 young players. That have shown ability to produce at MLB level.
mlb1225
They have plenty coming up through the pipeline to be a competitive team by 2023. I could list off about a dozen names that should see a month+ of playing time next year from their system. they’re not as far off as most say they are.
sfes
I wouldn’t want him traded if I were a bucs fan either. He’s definitely a superstar in the making. Though, would you be intrigued if you could get 3 top 100 guys for him..? I mean he’s all ready MVP level and prospects are just that… prospects but would the idea of getting several guys that could fill out more of the roster? You say they could be ready to open their window in 2023, so if that’s the case I guess not. I always root for you guys. I remember being a kid and feeling Leyland’s pain that 2nd straight year they lost the NLCS to the damned Braves (1991-1992)… after losing to the Reds in ‘90
Zonedeads
You do realize its 2022 right? No way they will be competitive in a year
Skeptical
If MLB goes to a 14 team playoff, one needs only to be average to be competitive, one will not need to be good. If there had been a fourteen team playoff this year, the Phillies at 82-80 would have been in. (No disrespect meant to the Phillies or their fans.)
The Pirates being ‘average” in 2023 is a possibility. They do have a highly rated farm system. Being good? Probably not.
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Pirates won the equivalent of 51 games in 2020 and 61 in 2021.They should win 71 this year and 81 next year with moderate free agent help both years.Whether that is being competitive in 2023 really depends on the definition.
The jury is out on whether this farm system will actually be as productive as advertised.
Trading Reynolds will water down the interest of the few fans that they have left.It is especially true if the return are young pitchers who will develop the proverbial arm problems.
sfes
I really really hope they don’t expand it to 14 teams. Could you imagine a 106 win Dodgers team losing to an 82 win team? I could see sub .500 teams making the postseason in a 14 team pool.
hiflew
Just stop with that argument. If you cannot beat a sub .500 team in a series, you don’t deserve to win a WS title.
sfes
In a short series anyone can win. Baseball teams are judged over 162 games. Any week a 4-3 team can lose to a 3-4 team. Over the course of the season there’s a huge difference. That’s what makes the baseball playoffs so exciting. Look at the 2006 Cards.
Cosmo2
Nonsense. One of the biggest facets of this sport is that any team can win a series against any other team. An 82 win team knocking out a 106 win team would be a disgrace.
sfes
My point exactly. A team that goes 4-3 every 7 games wins 92-93, and a team that goes 3-4 every 7 games loses 92-93. Put them up against each other in a 5 or 7 game series and it can go either way!
iverbure
That’s why I was hoping for a below .500 team or a 8 seed beating a 1 seed in 2020. So people could figure out how dumb it was to begin with a stopped the expanded playoffs thing forever.
pittsburghbob69
Most all position players will be up by end of 2023 at the latest. Same with SP’s.
2B-N.Gonzales
LF-B.Reynolds
3B-K.Hayes
RF-OneilCruz
C-HenryDavis
1B-Mason Martin
SS-L.Peguero
CF-T.Swaggerty/J.Bae
DH-R.Castro/MattFrazier
SP-Q.Priester, R.Contraes, A.Solometo, C.Mlodzinski, M.Burrows, M.Keller, BryceWilson, M.Yajure, JaredJones, TahajThomas, B.Malone, KyleNicols, EddyYean, CodyBolton, OmarCruz Etc.
bucincharlotte
If you send back Watson, Cabrera and Mack we will send him packing!
hoyce
Pirates would be dumb not to turn Reynolds’s into 2 or 3 solid arms w Meyer headlining
gbs42
Prospects aren’t solid arms, though, they’re prospects, and they often don’t develop into productive major leaguers. Reynolds is already very good, and they can keep him for several more seasons, which they should do unless they’re blown away by an offer.
RoastGobot
Who doesn’t?! Dudes a beast. Giants never shoulda shipped him outta there
to4
With their pitching, If they land Reynolds via trade and Rizzo to upgrade over Aguilar, it could get interesting!
1.De La Cruz CF
2.Jazz Jr. 2B
3.Reynolds LF
4.Garcia RF
5.Rizzo 1B
6.Aguilar DH
7.Anderson 3B
8.Stalling C
9.Rojas SS
Fortes C, Wendle Util, Berti Util, Sanchez OF, Cooper 1B/OF.
1.Alcantara
2.Rogers
3.Sanchez
4.Lopez
5.Hernández
I see them trading Luzardo, Encarnación, Harrison and Díaz for Reynolds. However, they’ll be very stupid to part ways with Devers, Rojas immediate replacement at SS!
Mikehoncho69
Not a chance that’s enough. Don’t be like yankee fans giving players you don’t want for a team’s best player
to4
I know what you meant and Miami got plenty. They could include the Mesa brothers as well both of whom are OFer’s from a well regard Baseball family in Cuba. I my self saw the father play and was an All Stars for years. Victor Mesa is the father’s name of the 2 sons. Victor Mesa Jr. and Victor Victor Mesa.
I would rather include those 2 plus that package I mentioned, than to part ways with Devers!
Mjm117
They can include the Mesa brothers too! Haha
Mjm117
Ng and Jeter would battle each other to reach the phone and say yes to the Bucs if all it takes to acquire Reynolds is Luzardo, Encarnacion, Harrison, Diaz. F*** send Future MVP and goat SS ever in Devers too.
Marlins would be happy to even pay his arb year plus his prime years contract when he’s DFA’d and picked up by another team.
ludafish
For real if the Pirates would take that for him I imagine the Marlins would agree to pay the arbitration salaries of all of them the first two years for Reynolds…. Seriously that package of players couldn’t get any player with more than one year available.
ludafish
Huh? Luzardo, Monte Harrison, Jerar Encarnacion and Isan Diaz? That would barely get Stallings.
Reynolds will cost at least Max Meyer and Luzardo plus probably Bleday. That’s just the starting point. Right now I bet the want Bleday, Burdick, Meyer and one of Luzardo , Cabrera or Sixto. So at least 4 players.
Cosmo2
Is Rizzo really a worthwhile upgrade over Aguilar?
as1402
Max Meyer and Kahlil Watson. I don’t care if that’s asking for too much.
joshize
yea, I’d be ok if not Watson. Meyer, Bleday, Henry, maybe Sixto. It has to be something they can’t pass up. Those deals, they can easily pass on. but change the pitching in the organization, and you have a starting convo
VonPurpleHayes
I’d imagine the Pirates are interested in Reynolds too.
Capcalhoon
As a Giants fan at least we can say we got 130 games out of McCutchen on a fourth place team for Reynolds, so… yay
gravel
Thanks Sabevens!
User 1471943197
This astounding thinking that Reynolds is trade bait, is ludicrous….they are not..will not..trade Reynolds. He’s the heart of of my the rebuild….the farm is stacked. Two years and the pirates will be relevant….and be playoff bound for a number of of years.
MarlinsFanBase
While Reynolds would be an excellent addition, the priority right now for the Marlins should be a legit closer. They lost more games due to the inability to hold leads in the last couple of innings than they lost because of their weak offense. That weak offense got them many leads that, if held, the Marlins would have been in contention into the final month or two.
ludafish
While I would love Reynolds I think his cost won’t be worth it. They would want 3-4 of our future. I’d be ok sending Bleday and Burdick for him plus one of the major arms. But they would want those 2 OFers PLUS 2 of Luzardo Sixto Meyer and Cabrera. God forbid they ask for Eury. I don’t think the Marlins would trade Watson. Unless they could get away with Watson and Luzardo for him alone which wouldn’t happen. The team is so over the top with Eury and Watson. They seem to think Meyer is expendable but I rather give up Cabrera …
But yeah I think with a minor bat and a good closer (I would go after Kimbrel) the team had enough that if the starting five reach their ceiling then we can actually compete.
iverbure
While the Marlins would certainly but upgrading in the pen with Kimbrel doesn’t it make more sense for them to add a controllable RP? I would imagine they feel like 23 is more likely the year they win then 22. So a move like adding a expensive closer for one year makes more sense next year then this year?
ludafish
Iver, I would go after Kimbrel because the Marlins in theory could compete in 22. Is it a sure thing? No way. Is it possible? Yes…
But for that to happen they need Alcantara to continue to tread up, they would need Rogers and P Lopez to trend up and pitch at least 120 innings each, while then two of Sixto, Cabrera, Meyer, Luzardo take a step forward as well. Bender and Floro would need to do well and the offense would need to crank out just enough… If that team could exist if you add the Kimbrel from the beginning of 21 then the team could be special. It would also depend on what you get for him. If it’s mainly grabbing his salary plus a lottery ticket then I am down. In the meantime I see Floro, Bender, and Holloway competing for the closer role. If they allow Bass to try again then the season is over.
pittsburghbob69
The fact that Miami has an abundance of LH SP’s is interesting though. Pirates have all RH SP.
Pirates have: Roansy Contreras, Quinn Priester, Mike Burrows, JT Brubaker, Mitch Keller, Cody Bolton, Luis Ortiz, Carmen Mlodzinski.
Jesus Luzardo, Braxton Garrett, JJ Bleday, Jose Salas, and say Jake Eder or Jacob Miller. I’d be in.
Miami would still get to keep; Alcantara(obviously), Pablo Lopez, Edward Cabrera, Sixto Sanchez, Trevor Rogers, Max Meyer, Eury Perez, Dax Fulton.
Plus Jazz(obviously), Kahlil Watson, Jacob Berry, Yiddi Cappe, Joe Mack, P.Burdick, Encarnacion.
pittsburghbob69
Funny looking back on these comments. U think they would trade Watson now?? Lol.
I doubt Watson, Meyer(TJ surgery), Bleday(plus even Burdick) even gets Reynolds now.
Watson is a head case and had a horrible season. Meyer probably won’t pitch till 2024(maybe late 2023). Bleday and Burdick are both hitting sub .200 in MLB.
If it was my choice; I’d want one of Trevor Rogers, Sixto Sanchez Edward Cabrera, Braxton Garrett(all 4 of them have also been hurt this season too).
Plus Meyer or Eder( Eder needs TJ surgery too).
Plus JJ Bleday and one of Yiddi Cappe/Jose Salas.
So say, Braxton Garrett, Max Meyer, JJ Bleday and Jose Salas.
I would say that would get Reynolds. A switch-hitter, that you stick batting 2nd, 3rd or 5th in any lineup in MLB and just forget about that spot. He hits righties and lefties equally well.
A gold glove nominated CF. So he fields well, he runs well, he throws well, hits for power, hits for average. A 5 tool guy; under team control till 2026.
sfes
If the Marlins got Reynolds the NL East should start collectively crapping their pants. Their young pitching is scary enough.
jtkuch
Any serious offer STARTS with Watson plus at least 2 of Meyer, Cabrera and Perez. Anything less is not worth the Pirates’ time to even consider.
This is all to say that Reynolds should not be on the trade block at all, he needs to be extended. And there’s no reason for even the cheap Pirates ownership to not do so, as they currently have NO money on the books long term. He’s the most obvious extension candidate, show that you actually want to secure some kind of window a few years down the line.
ludafish
I would bet Watson and Eury Perez are off the table.
Sixto, E Cabrera, Meyer, Luzardo, Bleday, Burdick and plenty of the highly regarded talented players in the minors that haven’t quite put it together yet… All of them sure. Also I can imagine some pitchers who are ready as a decent throw in like Neidert and Castano (plus a free Garrett). That’s the kind of stuff I could see. But definitely not Eury Perez. He was a secret until recently. And I know the team was absolutely elated they managed to get Watson (who was ranked by just about everyone as a top 5 prospect in the draft who fell quite far to the fish).
So the only way to get Watson is to make the package smaller. Like Watson and Meyer alone. Which I doubt either team would really go for.
SpendNuttinWinNuttin
If Watson and Perez are off then so is Reynolds
ludafish
There is plenty of other players to get Reynolds. Perez and Watson are about 3 years away. But Sixto, Meyer, Cabrera, Bleday and Burdick are very close. Then they could throw in someone ready now like Neidert or Hernandez and I’m sure you could get a deal going.
Until recently no one even knew who Eury Perez was, Im guessing you didn’t either you just see he magically jumped up in the rankings so you want him.
pittsburghbob69
Funny looking back on these comments. U think they would trade Watson now?? Lol.
I doubt Watson, Meyer(TJ surgery), Bleday(plus even Burdick) even gets Reynolds now.
Watson is a head case and had a horrible season. Meyer probably won’t pitch till 2024(maybe late 2023). Bleday and Burdick are both hitting sub .200 in MLB.
If it was my choice; I’d want two of Trevor Rogers, J.Luzardo, Sixto Sanchez, Edward Cabrera, Braxton Garrett(all 4 of them have also been hurt this season too).
Plus Meyer or Eder(Eder needs TJ surgery too).
Plus JJ Bleday and one of Yiddi Cappe/Jose Salas.
So say, Jesus Luzardo, Braxton Garrett, Max Meyer, JJ Bleday and Jose Salas.
I would say that would get Reynolds. A switch-hitter, that you stick batting 2nd, 3rd or 5th in any lineup in MLB and just forget about that spot. He hits righties and lefties equally well.
A gold glove nominated CF. So he fields well, he runs well, he throws well, hits for power, hits for average. A 5 tool guy; under team control till 2026.
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Of course Reynolds is having another even year down year so the return would be less than last year especially with the one less year of control.
I think that the guy is being burned out playing on such a horrid team.
It is very difficult to get an equitable trade package together of minor leaguers for a star player.This is especially true now with virtually every pitcher having TJ or TOC surgery which stops their progress for almost two years.And of course every team needs at least twice as many good pitchers as 40 years ago because of all of the injuries.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Pirate fans were outraged when Huntingdon ONLY got Reynolds and a reliever for Cutch.
iverbure
Shouldn’t ever take anything fans say seriously, their opinions are the least relevant of anyone’s.
jtkuch
Cutch was on the last year of his contract and was already declining at that point. Reynolds is just entering his prime and has FOUR more years of team control. He has exponentially more value now than Cutch did then, not even a comparison.
lumber and lighting
How are you ever going to compete if you keep dumping your home grown kids?Why anyone in their rt mind would take this job is beyond me.Owners cashing checks and not competing should be forced to sell.Disgrace this great franchise is.Traveling circus clowns not mlb baseball team tring to win or improve with a culture of excellence.It’s pathetic when you call yourself a pro, but you let everyone violate you.I don’t blame the players,I blame ownership for ripping the public off with FAKE attempts to win at all cost within the rules.
JR513
Pirates won’t be competitive at least until 4 or 5 years if at all. Most of there decent specs are in rookie or low a or a ball. No reason to keep Reynolds they should trade him too a team that can win for four high upside low level specs.and soon they won’t be able to afford him anyways. It’s the pirates if Reynolds starts out slow this season they will be begging teams to take Reynolds for nothing because they won’t pay. Hope Reynolds starts slow and any team who wants him will get the prize
3Rivers
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY, his value won’t be any higher. As far as years, Even if they are a truly competitive team in 24′ he’ll be 29 with less than 2 years of control. The only way the shouldn’t trade him is if they extend him, but even then, he would also have to agree to that, and he will be 31 at the end of the current contract.
As I said in an earlier comment, let’s say they were 2 years ahead of where they currently are, maybe they won 80 games the yr before and they have some of their young pieces in place, and then he has 4 years of control? Then yes, obviously keep him. But the timing is off, they are too far away.
And with value probably being as high as it’s going to get, teams allegedly really want him.
So let’s just hope BS knows exactly what he’s doing, and he will ultimately pull the trigger on a deal.
3Rivers
Reynolds is a helluva talent. They struck gold with that trade.
However, the earliest they’ll be competitive is let’s say 2024, maybe. That would leave a 2 years, maybe 1 of control.
So unless they agreed to try to extend him and he actually wanted to stick around, which I think both are longer shots, the move is to trade him now, especially with his value so high. I’m not sure it can be any higher than it currently is.
I don’t want them too, but it’s the smartest move. What the hell good is he going to do for the team in 22′ 23′? Even 24′?
If the progress of the team was 2 years ahead, say they just won 75-80 games the yr before, and he has 4 years of control? 100% obviously build around him.
I hope BS ultimately comes to this conclusion.
TJECK109
There is a reason the marlins remain interested…. It’s because the Pirates are not in a position money wise to have to deal him. He’s affordable which means he will remain in Pittsburgh until they get an offer they can’t say no to
JR513
The pirates can’t afford him . They won’t spend the money . And have no other talent beside Hayes they need to rebuild quit living in a world where there going to win next year and or spend any money they won’t. 4 or so low level specs is there best move .
JR513
They may have payroll space but nutting likes his cash cow . so any money saved and kicking the can further down the road .won’t hurt a team that mlb should contract which nutting will get paid for big time or may move to Montreal anyways because Pittsburgh market in reality can’t sustain a team
JR513
A New York sports writer said it best thing currently to end a work stoppage would be to contract or move the pirates
alwaysgo4two
As soon as you said “NY sports writer” my brain turned off. Who cares what a pompous NY writer says? Doesn’t he have enough to write about with the perpetually underachieving NY teams? The Pirates aren’t going anywhere….geographically or sadly in the standings the next year or two.
TJECK109
Please stop showing your ignorance
Habeto
How about Watson + Sixto + Neidert + Encarnación + a throw-in for Reynolds? I think it can work for both sides:
The Marlins get the CF they want/need and the Pirates get two top 100 prospects and two other top 30 Marlins’ top prospects who can contribute from the very next season.
I know is hard to get rid of Khalil, but he is at least 4 years away from the team and they wanna win now. Besides, Salas, Nuñez and Cappe can become good regulars.
What do you think?
Cosmo2
I think it’s a bit premature to declare Miami to be a win now team. They’re at least another year away.
ludafish
With Reynolds added to their “decent” offense and the potential of the five man they could send out, it’s entirely possible for the Marlins to suddenly be in a win now mode. It’s a matter of keeping Lopez, Rogers, and Sixto on the mound for 20+ starts. Put Holloway in the pen with Bender and Floro and make Garrett the lefty pen arm with Bleier (and make sure Bass never pitches in the 9th ever) and suddenly you have a better team than your think.
Granted like many teams out there that are “good” it’s all about health with the starters. But in theory without a Reynolds trade the Marlins can send out Alcantara, Lopez, Rogers, Six Sanchez, E Cabrera, J Luzardo, E Hernandez, and Max Meyer out to fill the five man. And that would be the most talented five man in the game. But it’s a matter of who stays around and who stays healthy. It could easily just be the Alcantara and Rogers show guest starring a revolving door of Nediert and Garrett.
West Casey
…moving on from Reynolds, how about the Marlins pursuing Baltimore OF, Austin Hayes
or OF Anthony Santander. Baltimore needs pitching even more than Pittsburgh. These two are interesting and different players than each other. Not sure they are CF though.
Baltimore CF had big season last year. He is liable to be available for pitching package plus.
Just thoughts…
Mjm117
If O’s and Marlins pursue a deal it’ll most likely be Mullins coming over to Miami.
Marlins already have Santander and Hayes type players in AAA
joew
It would have to be a heavy lop sided trade that would drain the farm and/or current young MLB players.
If the Marlins are in win now mode. it ‘Might’ be worth it for them. but the Pirates ‘need’ prospects that are less than two years away. UNLESS Ben is planning on moving them again.
His offense was one of the best in the league (over all). While his defense isn’t the best he was near the top in many categories of OF performance.
You don’t trade away that quality if you plan on trying to win in the not too distant future. They are primed up for 2023 nicely with a possible second half run in 2022.. if they’re not too far back at the break. Of course it all depends if players like Keller find they’re way and prospects don’t flop.
TL:DR; pirates trading him is not a good idea. Extending him for a long term after the end of his rookie deal is the better idea even if it costs a premium over pay to keep him.