The Giants’ interest in outfielder Seiya Suzuki was first noted back in November, and San Francisco has continued to be linked to the longtime Hiroshima Carp slugger. As reported by Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic, the Giants were one of the teams who conducted video interviews with Suzuki (through Zoom) prior to the start of the lockout.
The 27-year-old Suzuki has a long list of known suitors, as the Rangers, Yankees, Blue Jays, Red Sox, and Mariners have all reportedly shown interest in his services. Texas has been one of the offseason’s biggest spenders and the Blue Jays (with Kevin Gausman) and Mariners (with Robbie Ray) have also made some aggressive signings. New York and Boston have stayed relatively quiet, perhaps in anticipation of some bigger spending after the lockout once the details of the new CBA are finalized.
That same tactic could be the Giants’ modus operandi for figuring out how to navigate the post-lockout world. It’s not as if San Francisco hasn’t been making moves this winter — the club retained Brandon Belt via the qualifying offer, re-signed both Anthony DeSclafani and Alex Wood, and further augmented the rotation by signing Alex Cobb. None of these signings broke the bank, however, and the Giants have only around $126MM committed to their 2022 payroll to date.
This doesn’t mean that the Giants will necessarily use their available payroll space on any huge signings, given the team’s reported reluctance to sign players to nine-figure deals. However, there is still plenty of talent available for well less than a $100MM deal, and Suzuki stands out as one of the more intriguing options available for reasons beyond just cost. MLBTR projected Suzuki for a five-year, $55MM pact, though his market is rather more difficult to project than most free agents, given his lack of MLB experience and now the unusual circumstances over his posting situation.
Like so much else in the baseball world, Suzuki’s free agency has been put on hold by the lockout. The Carp officially posted Suzuki on November 22, so he got roughly ten days into the 30-day posting period before the lockout began. While it’s safe to assume that the Giants and other teams laid some initial groundwork in their online meetings, the 20 days remaining doesn’t leave much margin for error for Suzuki and his reps to find an acceptable contract.
Given the uncertainty surrounding labor talks between the owners and players, it wouldn’t be entirely shocking to see Suzuki opt to return to Nippon Professional Baseball for another season if the lockout keeps dragging on. As noted by The New York Times’ Brad Lefton, February 1 could serve as something of a deadline for Suzuki, since Japanese teams begin their Spring Training on that date. It is extremely rare for Japanese players to miss any of their training camps for reasons other than injury, so Suzuki could need to decide between NPB or MLB by late January.
From an on-field perspective, there is plenty of logic in a Suzuki/Giants pairing. He could immediately step into regular duty as an everyday right fielder, providing San Francisco’s lineup (and the outfield mix in particular) with a needed right-handed bat. Suzuki has played only as an outfielder for the last seven seasons but he has some history as a third baseman, first baseman, and shortstop, so there’s even a small chance the Giants could experiment with using him around the diamond, as they have so many other versatile players on the roster. Suzuki only turned 27 last August, so he should have plenty of prime years left to help a Giants team that now has designs on winning a World Series as early as next season.
giant4life
If Farhan can sign this guy I won’t say anything bad about him for at least a month
giantsphan12
Oh please, Z, sign Suzuki! It’s a two-fer. We get Suzuki, and giant4 gets quiet.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I think the Giants would be smart to sign him. They have plenty of money and this is one case where I think a long term contract is a good thing. There is a real chance this guy out plays his salary in year one and his team has him on the cheap for the next 4 years. At $11 million I would even consider going 6 or 7 years.
andyhighroller
The last time a 27yo OF with anything close to his PROJECTED MLB STATS(which are about .050-.120 pts lower on every slash line) was Bryce Harper and he got PAID.
If Suzuki is a .270/.340/.450 guy, he’d be worth nearly $30m, yet he was a .330/.400/.550(or something close to that) guy. His stats are almost IDENTICAL to Ichiro’s, down to the number of years spent in NPL and age entering MLB FA.
I’m not saying he’s Ichiro, as he has more power and less speed than Ichiro, but other than that they both seem to have incredibly sound bat-to-ball skills and plate vision, which I think should translate better to MLB than power.
jordan4giants 2
If you were saying anything bad about him to begin with that says more about you than anything. Farhan has been amazing and taken this team to places nobody thought it would be.
In Farhan we trust.
giantsphan12
@jordan, not sure who your post was directed at. Our buddy above is very critical of Farhan. I however, like you, think Z has been amazing. If I thought I could get away with it, I’d love to make a bootleg Giants’ t-shirt that is a variation on your line. It would be orange, of course, have a small SF logo on the front, and below that, the line:
IN Z WE TRUST.
jordan4giants 2
It was not directed your way at all @giantsphan12
I really love that shirt idea! The past 2 seasons “In Farhan we trust” has been my mantra any time he’s made a move I didn’t understand. He’s obviously a lot smarter than I am, and his moves have a way of making sense in the end. So I’ll shrug and say “In Farhan we trust” then go look up what it is about that player that I didn’t see before that would make them appealing.
Pete'sView
Giantsphan12 – Jordan’s post was directed at Giant4Life who ONLY criticizes Farhan and generally has nothing more useful to say.
The-Two-Germanys
“In Z we trust.”
I agree. Guy’s a fantastic executive. But I would like to take this moment to beg you to be a bit more judicious in your use of the phrase. It’s very triggering for Mariners fans who once upon a Gutierrez trade-time used to espouse the same phrase, clarified here: “In Z(duriencik) we trust.” Be mindful of their trauma, please.
foppert
Not thick. A coward. One of those guys that’s happy to throw out derogatory insults because the internet is safe and anonymous. Then again, I suppose that is thick.
andyhighroller
In Farhan We Trust.
Damn straight.
Mick10
You must be thick if 107 wins still has you whining.
tstats
Why is Suzuki bound to the lockout? He isn’t an MLBPA member until he is on a forty man thus he should be allowed to talk to teams. Maybe not sign a deal but at least scrap one together?
skyline619
You have your answer in your own statement. The lockout froze all MLB transactions, therefore freezing Suzukis ability to sign with a MLB team. I mean is it really that hard to comprehend?
kwolf68
si.com/mlb/indians/news/mlb-international-signing-…
snoopy369
International signing day is unaffected because those players are not signed to major league contracts.
kwolf68
They are actually treating these contracts as “minor league’ contracts. Yea I don’t get it either, but that’s what is going on.
Expect some signings next Saturday the 15th, even possibly Suzuki.
snoopy369
Suzuki is not signing a minor league contract. Not the same thing as what you’re referring to.
kwolf68
From the link above:
“The reason for the date remaining the same is that the contracts the international players are signing are being handled and characterized as minor league contracts.”
fivepoundbass
This signing window is for amateurs signing minor league contracts, and are subject to international bonus pools. Not Asian professional players singing MLB contracts. International signing day is Jan 15, and this article says that Suzuki could pick Feb 1 as his own deadline
Dorothy_Mantooth
Even if a team tried to skirt the rules by signing Suzuki to a minor league deal, there is a maximum annual salary amount allowed in the minors (I believe it is under $10M/year) so Suzuki would never sign that deal.
phillyphilly4133
Suzuki is not considered a Jan 15th international prospect. Suzuki’s signing does not impact the teams international money pool.
He is viewed more like a traditional MLB free agent. He got the ball rolling 10 days prior to the lockout to get some initial interviews. He cannot sign during the lockout and will have the remaining 20 days to tie up loose ends after the lockout ends.
Is he talking to teams during the lockout? Who knows what agents and teams are doing behind the scenes or through a third party.
tstats
You’re missing the point of my question… I’m asking can he talk to teams come to an agreement just not out Lennon paper? Don’t be hostile to a fair question.
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tstats
That’s a heckuva typo from me lol…
I meant put pen on paper. Probably need some sleep
snoopy369
The owners are locking out the players, so they’re limiting their own options. If someone did something like you describe, I imagine they’d be punished if they’re caught – similarly to how Washington Football Team was punished for taking advantage of the uncapped year in the NFL.
Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.
I read tstats question to ask “why isn’t Suzuki able to at least negotiate with teams right now so he can have the contract worked out and sign it as soon as the lockout is over since he is not a major league player?’ It’s a valid question.
My take on it is this @tstats:
1. Suzuki can only negotiate for 20 more days before he has to sign. If they had allowed him to negotiate during the lockout those 20 days might be up before the lockout ended. Suzuki would no longer be able to sign the contract because the lockout would still be on so he would be stuck with his last team.
2. I think the lockout doesn’t necessarily mean owners can’t negotiate with former major leaguers. It means they can’t negotiate future major league contracts. Suzuki is definitely only singing a major league contract. The lockout effects owners as much as it does players in the sense they can’t negotiate a major league contract with anyone regardless of them being in the MLBPA or not. My guess is the MLBPA actually prefers this because otherwise Suzuki would be considered a SCAB.
Great question though, tstats. I had to to think about it myself after you asked. Did my answer make it any easier to understand?
The Saber-toothed Superfife
How?
Pete'sView
Yesterday, Suzuki had an interview with Andrew Baggerly stating that he will not be inhibited by Japan’s Feb. 1 spring training, and that he will wait out the MLB lockout to sign with a major league team.
DarkSide830
Posting rules are determined by the CBA.
JoeBrady
tstats
Why is Suzuki bound to the lockout?
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If Theo were still GM of the RS, we’d have already signed him to a $55M/5 minor league contract.
andyhighroller
All MLB procedures freeze. It’s basically a stop in time.
His posting time limit is an MLB procedure the NPL agreed to, and if the MLB is frozen, so is the posting process.
Acuña Matata
Yaz to left in this scenario?
mrnotsoniceguy
Likely to CF. With Wade in LF.
andyhighroller
Wade is far more likely to be a platoon option. Maybe Wade/Slater in LF, Yaz in CF when Suzuki plays, and in RF when facing certain RHP’s, with Duggar in CF at least until Suzuki has accumulated to MLB pitching+schedule.
Its best if SF were to sign a guy like Jonathan Villar to play CF vs LHP, and 2B vs RHP, with La Stella(LH) and Ruf(RH) as the DH options.
So, Vs LHP: perhaps Suzuki/Villar/Yaz OF, vs RHP: Wade/Yaz/Suzuki.
Pete'sView
Acuna Matata – Yeah, I wondered about that, too. Yaz plays RF at Oracle excellently (Gold Glove), but is only passable in CF. Problem is, Suzuki isn’t really a CF. He’s barely played there.
I hope the Giants sign him and bat him leadoff (which they desperately need), but it’s not like SF to under value their defense.
andyhighroller
He is much more of a 2, 3, 5, 6 hitter as opposed to lead off or even cleanup. I highly doubt he leads off for SF. If they’re smart, they sign the *switch hitting* INF/OF Jonathan Villar, to be RH CF option(Suzuki/Villar/Yaz vs LHP, Wade/Yaz/Suzuki vs RHP, with Villar at 2B vs RHP and Estrada vs LHP.
La Stella DH vs RHP’s and Ruf vs LHP’s.
User 4245925809
Boston needs an OF, if Duran isn’t ready. Maybe Suzuki can be coaxed into signing in Boston. They have to find somebody other than bradley.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I’m really curious if a team can have a deal in place with Suzuki to assure he won’t play in Japan in 2022, then sign him once the lockout ends. Can teams continue to negotiate with players during the lockout as long as the player doesn’t sign until after the lockout ends?
tstats
They can’t negotiate with anyone on a forty man at the time of lockout (or the 60day IL)
Mr. Chuck
I read somewhere that Suzuki is not as “free” as other foreign free agents because, by posting, he became subject to the same rules as are current MLB free agents. Not sure why that would be, or even if it is correct. Just sharing “information” that I read, i.e., by becoming part of the posting process he changed the rules that apply to his situation.
5TUNT1N
The offers he saw during the 10 day period could’ve motivated him to wait out the lockout. Obviously all speculation as to numbers being exchanged but if a potential boss told me I could make this much and another potential boss told me I could make that much, it would offer some perspective to the market when it re activates.
CravenMoorehead
That Suzuki has some power.
By the way…RIP Bob Saget 🙁
mrnotsoniceguy
Doesn’t feel real. So weird to hear.
claude raymond
WHAT!
jints1
I guess my questions are similar to the above. Is a Suzuki signing impossible given the lockout? What if he is signed to a minor league contract for $55 million for 5 years? I’m guessing the Giants might be his preferred team. I’m nervous he may stay in Japan.
skyline619
Because you’re circumventing the whole process and that will have to reviewed by the league for some form of tampering that’s why.
fivepoundbass
Is it tampering if all the teams have the same option?
mostlytoasty
Nippon starts in March, which I think is likely before lockout ends so I’d say we’ll know by then
Pete'sView
I think the rule states that a team can’t sign a minor league player for more than $10M. Thus, it would be impossible to sign him for more and dangerous for Suzuki to sign a $10M contract.
And if the Giants (or any team) tried to apply a signing bonus or some other trick down the line (say, adding $45M after the fact), I believe MLB would step in and void the whole deal. So, it’s not worth it to Suzuki or the Giants.
kwolf68
These players Are NOT impacted by the lockout and can sign as of January 15.
snoopy369
Not true … this isn’t a sixteen year old signing under the international rules that are subject to cap limits; that’s for amateurs or those who would basically be minor leaguers here. They’re required to be signed to minor league deals and are okay since they’re not going to be MLBPA members out of the gate.
Pros like Suzuki can sign for whatever they want, no cap beyond the luxury tax, but they’re signed to major league deals. Thus he can’t sign, and the posting period is paused.
kwolf68
Yep, I was wrong. I read too fine a line on it.
mrnotsoniceguy
Wrong.
jpauld15
Hoping the Rangers sign him. Then finish the off-season with a trade with Olson and pick up a starting pitcher like Kershaw. Wishful thinking I know but hoping Texas considers it.
justinkm19
He’ll be a Ranger
butch779988
Boston
Dorothy_Mantooth
It would be a very bad decision by Suzuki to return to Japan for the 2022 season. Suzuki was the 10th highest paid player in the NPB last year at $2.9M per year. The highest paid player in the NPB (Tanaka) made just under $9M. Suzuki would be foregoing between $7M – $8M in annual salary for 2022 alone and would be taking a chance that his numbers dip a bit and his overall MLB valuation would depreciate along with that. Plus he’d be a year older and could possibly lose an extra year on his MLB offer as well. The 2/1 start date of NPB spring training should have zero impact on his decision. The only reason he should even consider going back to Japan is if his agent learns the 2022 MLB season could be cancelled entirely. Anything short of that should not change his mind. So many MLB teams need OF help and he’s drawn a ton of interest so I wouldn’t be surprised to see him sign for more than the projected 5/$55M. He might even get a 6 year deal; something that definitely would not happen if he goes back to Japan for 2022. The massive difference in salaries between MLB & NPB is reason enough for him to stay the course, plus he’ll be a advertiser’s dream in the US too. He’ll make millions in endorsements alone.
phillyphilly4133
He will get paid very well if he retunes. Yamama is averaging $7 mil a year and Yanagita is about $5.5 mil. All three (Sugano included) are in their 30s and on the downside of their prime years. Suzuki could command $9 mil plus if he returns.
Suzuki has stayed for years his desire to play in The MLB. That could be a negotiating tactic as well.
Sugano signed a $9 mil/year contract with opt outs build in each year. Suzuki can also do the same.
Eric P
I guess the breakdown would be Suzuki/Yaz in RF, Slater/Yaz in CF, Ruff/Wade in LF. Any of these guys could get time at DH if it becomes universal. Duggar would be the odd man out, most likely a key part of any trade package for a SP. I am sure the Gs would have to convince Suzuki that he will not be part of a conventional platoon, so they would be committing to giving him significant playing time. One more reason it makes sense that Yaz would cover RF and CF duties.
The question becomes whether they trade Ramos if they sign Suzuki, esp. with Matos and Pomares just a couple of years out (optimistically). Duggar + could get Babbitt, while Ramos would be integral to a Montas deal
Kapler's Coconut Oil
They would not trade Ramos
Pete'sView
Don’t be too sure of that. The Giants are deeper in OF prospects and Ramos—while I’d love to see him play for the Giants—would definitely bring back a reliable #2 starter (like Castillo, Bassit or Montas).
Eric P
Bart was the likely trade candidate before Buster retired. Although he still could be moved, however unlikely, Ramos is their best prospect trade asset right now (I think the only “untouchable” is Luciano). If Ramos had a much stronger season last year I think they would be less likely to let him go. There is no guarantee that Ramos is going to stick in CF anyways, so getting Suzuki might fill a possible spot for him anyways.
to4
It’ll make sense for the Jays to sign Suzuki as he’s just 27, plays 3B, SS and OF. Maybe he can play CF and slide Springer to RF. He seems to be lighter at 185 lbs./5-11” as well. Bryant, Suzuki and Kikuchi and the Jays are set. After all, I do love versatility!
1.Springer RF
2.Bichette SS
3.Vladimir Jr. 1B
4.Bryant 3B
5.Teoscar DH
6.Lourdes Jr. LF
7.Suzuki CF
8.Moreno C
9.Biggio 2B
1.Jin Ryu
2.Berrios
3.Gausman
4.Kikuchi
5.Manoah
Let’s Go Blue Jays !
User 1104686089
I remember reading his profile somewhere that he is not really a speedster and is probably limited to the corners. I haven’t heard anyone say he has the range and movement required to play SS in the mlb.
Stevil
You’re either remembering wrong, or read a bad source. Here’s a more reputable one… prospectslive.com/prospects-live/2021/10/22/seiya-…
Stevil
Seattle is believed to prefer deals no more than 6 years and Suzuki’s athleticism makes him a CF option. A little time with Perry Hill could make him an infield option in a pinch as well.. He’s a potential impact-bat with positional flexibility and presumably at a fair price.
Suzuki checks all the boxes for Seattle. If he goes elsewhere, it won’t likely be without a significant bidding war (assuming it’s at least a partially money-driven decision).
He makes sense for nearly every team, and most teams could afford him, but he screams “Jerry Dippoto target.”.. Easy to see the Mariners outbidding SF and everyone else.
For the record, I said the same of Ohtani.
brucenewton
Giants would be a good spot for him. They say he has a great arm, a necessity for there. What other contender needs a RF? Red Sox for sure. Not sure about anyone else.
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